The hardest rejection ever I received: " We received your email, we don't want to work with you, we don't like you so never write to us again!" - I was not devastated, but I felt low... I received later a better job anyway, so now I just smile when I remember. Dealing with rejection is a skill we all must learn for life, not only for the job.
Having been a self-employed professional for many decades, I learned early on that it's VERY important to be selective about who I work with. Yes. I do need work to earn to live the lifestyle I wish to live. And, yes. Figuratively speaking, I will kiss ass, at times, to get what I want. But, I will NOT eat sh*t; I'd rather starve. You have to understand, that just because you want or need work, does NOT mean you should work for a miserable ingrate who will treat you badly and bad-mouth you afterward. Be as selective about with whom you work as they are about whom they hire. In the end, you'll be far better off and far more respected by your clients and prospective clients.
Spot on about timing, Scott. As a former Advertising Creative, you’re so painfully right about the “panic buying” mentality. Staying top of mind with Art Directors, CDs, etc is so important. Advertising folk will forget you exist unless you politely remind them.
I think people really just don't grasp how many other people are really out there. We follow very specific people on social media, and in our mind those are the people out there in the world. But there are literally not hundreds, not thousands, but tens of thousands of people trying to do the same thing that we are doing. Everyone sort of feels that they are on this predestined path and that their life is leading up to some sort of pinnacle moment or "period," but life and society are so much more random and chaotic than that. And yes we work hard we get better we become competitive, which hopefully leads to some amount of success in what we're doing. But nothing is predestined. Nothing is leading anywhere. We're not "in line" for "our turn." We are competing for the attention of other people. Life isn't fair. Business isn't fair. Nobody cares.
Love your authenticity and honesty! It hit me hard what you said about the pandemic and doing test shoots! Before the pandemic I had work rolling in from everywhere and then it slowly died out. I've spent my slow periods focused on learning, rebranding and working on levelling up my skills/ business. It's an uncertain time, but it's how we best make use of that time that defines us :)
Love you’re comment about photographer being a last minute decision I’m getting companies now contacting me wanting set/shoot design, 2-4 days of shooting, and edited in 2 weeks or less this was not happening 3+ years ago has this been the norm for you? It’s killing me because if they pay my full rate I don’t ever say no
Yes, I have a question. What are the job titles at agencies and companies to look out for whose role it is to find photographers or bring on another agency for a job?
I am trying to break into the industrial photography side of the commercial business. This is such a hard industry to break into as you really need to know someone to get into this business and where I am there aren't many photographers to learn from. Luckily I had an in and was able to get a beginner portfolio made. At this point I am approaching companies and potential clients with my portfolio. Do you have any tips on what are some key things to have ready for a client who does not understand the impact of photography on their business? I am dealing with a lot of people who are hands on, who approach businesses by stopping by and getting quotes and have clients that they deal with on a daily basis and rarely get new clients depending on the type of industry they are in. Should I bring in a physical portfolio? (I do have one made). Should I preach about how photography can add to their business? Or are there other ways to talk to these clients to help me land them. How would I also search for these businesses as they don't typically go to agencies.
Thanks Here is my question How much money is enough earned a year that Worth it for product photographer to keep do the photography? after Business expenses Sorry for bad English hope you got my point The question related to uk products photographer Thanks
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The hardest rejection ever I received: " We received your email, we don't want to work with you, we don't like you so never write to us again!" - I was not devastated, but I felt low... I received later a better job anyway, so now I just smile when I remember. Dealing with rejection is a skill we all must learn for life, not only for the job.
I would be the ding dong who completely forgets who it was that said that and end up emailing them again. 🤣
That’s a horrible response, you’re better not to work with them
Wow, how unprofessional! Dodged a bullet there..
Having been a self-employed professional for many decades, I learned early on that it's VERY important to be selective about who I work with. Yes. I do need work to earn to live the lifestyle I wish to live. And, yes. Figuratively speaking, I will kiss ass, at times, to get what I want. But, I will NOT eat sh*t; I'd rather starve. You have to understand, that just because you want or need work, does NOT mean you should work for a miserable ingrate who will treat you badly and bad-mouth you afterward. Be as selective about with whom you work as they are about whom they hire. In the end, you'll be far better off and far more respected by your clients and prospective clients.
Spot on about timing, Scott. As a former Advertising Creative, you’re so painfully right about the “panic buying” mentality. Staying top of mind with Art Directors, CDs, etc is so important. Advertising folk will forget you exist unless you politely remind them.
“At certain point in your life you think you’re good at stuff when really you kind of suck” - damn that hit me hard 💣
Thank you for sharing you learnings and being honest.
I think people really just don't grasp how many other people are really out there. We follow very specific people on social media, and in our mind those are the people out there in the world. But there are literally not hundreds, not thousands, but tens of thousands of people trying to do the same thing that we are doing. Everyone sort of feels that they are on this predestined path and that their life is leading up to some sort of pinnacle moment or "period," but life and society are so much more random and chaotic than that. And yes we work hard we get better we become competitive, which hopefully leads to some amount of success in what we're doing. But nothing is predestined. Nothing is leading anywhere. We're not "in line" for "our turn." We are competing for the attention of other people. Life isn't fair. Business isn't fair. Nobody cares.
Love your authenticity and honesty! It hit me hard what you said about the pandemic and doing test shoots! Before the pandemic I had work rolling in from everywhere and then it slowly died out. I've spent my slow periods focused on learning, rebranding and working on levelling up my skills/ business. It's an uncertain time, but it's how we best make use of that time that defines us :)
Such a helpful and thoughtful video! Thanks for addressing this important issue 🙏🏻
Love your channel and videos. No bs and very useful information for anyone in this industry!
Love you’re comment about photographer being a last minute decision I’m getting companies now contacting me wanting set/shoot design, 2-4 days of shooting, and edited in 2 weeks or less this was not happening 3+ years ago has this been the norm for you? It’s killing me because if they pay my full rate I don’t ever say no
As always great advice.
Useful content.
Yes, I have a question. What are the job titles at agencies and companies to look out for whose role it is to find photographers or bring on another agency for a job?
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I am trying to break into the industrial photography side of the commercial business. This is such a hard industry to break into as you really need to know someone to get into this business and where I am there aren't many photographers to learn from. Luckily I had an in and was able to get a beginner portfolio made. At this point I am approaching companies and potential clients with my portfolio. Do you have any tips on what are some key things to have ready for a client who does not understand the impact of photography on their business? I am dealing with a lot of people who are hands on, who approach businesses by stopping by and getting quotes and have clients that they deal with on a daily basis and rarely get new clients depending on the type of industry they are in. Should I bring in a physical portfolio? (I do have one made). Should I preach about how photography can add to their business? Or are there other ways to talk to these clients to help me land them. How would I also search for these businesses as they don't typically go to agencies.
Thanks
Here is my question
How much money is enough earned a year that Worth it for product photographer to keep do the photography?
after Business expenses
Sorry for bad English hope you got my point
The question related to uk products photographer
Thanks
Great video thanks
thank you
Constant rejection is part of the job description as freelancer.
Cool vid, prepare to economic growth is the most important now I think... How do you respond to the demand for a low price (would be cool vid:) )?
He repeatedly says it needs to either be good for your portfolio or good money. Otherwise, don't do it.
@@longliveclassicmusic Yeah, it is OK, but I would be interested in the exact answer. Everybody can be future customer...
🙏 thanks
Godbless dude
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A lot of this is not centered around how to actually get clients, just a bunch of gibberish 🤷🏼♂️