The part that bothers me the most is him saying he literally can't read and evaluate a nutritional study because it's too "confusing" and yet he feels qualified to charge people for health and nutrition advice through his coaching programs. That just doesn't sit right.
Jon just does all the social media advertising his wife Katherine is the one who is the dietician or nutritionist. She does all the cooking and designed the meal plans. I think she’s going along with this because it’s a business decision as he tarnished his reputation, influence and lost money. Her story and reasoning doesn’t add up either.
He just sounds like a victim of conspiracy theories... Also “I don’t wanna supplement” Seriously ? The dude is in fitness industry he really needs to cut that shit 🤣
He has very clearly made a business decision. His channel was dying with less than 10K views per video despite almost 400K subscribers and he just signed a deal with MyProtein so now he's able to market all of their products, not just the vegan ones. He was never a vegan for the ethics, it was always a business strategy. Now he's going to rake in the views from all the anti-vegan videos he'll be making. Literally his first post on Instagram after quitting veganism is about how it made his skin bad despite him having stated many times over the years that veganism cleared up his skin. I'll bet you anything he's going to try the carnivore diet as well, he already follows a bunch of its greatest defenders on Instagram. Don't get it twisted, Jon Venus is a dishonest liar who's only in it for the money.
@Baun92 I think you could be right about the business decision. I thought it was pressure from others but he’s not a school kid. I mean nobody ever pressured me into anything but some people bow to pressure. I just think at his age he should be more self-confident and own his decisions. So your explanation makes more sense to me now.
I fully agree that for some people a brand deal is a big incentive to drop veganism since the best sold products out there are whey protein and pre workout! BUT Myprotein has many vegan options compared to most other brands. I'm also sponsored by an even larger supplement brand, Prozis, and selling out for sales didn't even cross my mind, and funny thing, I have the biggest sales in my country across all brands and influencers. I feel like selling out like that is such a petty reason especially since I can guarantee MyProtein ( with which I also have collaborated in the past ) doesn't enforce you to promote specific products.
Funny thing here is that the more meat eggs and dairy you eat the more estrogens you get hence the more feminine skin you get. Your skin may look smoother but it's because it's collecting more fat, and the anti inflammatory effects. But you could just take estrogen and eat more fats for that look and not worry about eating animals.
Yeah money talks... I stopped following him a long time ago but it's sad to see that he is trying to make up for a big loss of following and views with anti-vegan marketing these days. Just sad and damaging to the vegan movement
Him and his wife are blocking every criticism in their comment section and left only ones praising them. They disabled the comment section when 99% of the comments were of people either disappointed or confused because of his vague explanations. They are also blocking everyone who’s asking them to provide studies and sources that back up his explanations. Shady shady shady.
@Southy Joey legitimately does so, non of those blocked presented facts or studies to support their case as we often do and have to Jon Venus, trolls on Joeys site were also of the most extreme nastiness I have come across on vegan sites without any good reason.
@@bonchidude the ego involved in a tattoo like that is laughable only a child would put that on their body. What's also entertaining is the fall back on any criticism is that the person is anti vegan haha oooh spooky
It's interesting that he implies that the science about which diet to go to is "so confusing and unsettled", yet even his own brother, who is more versed on the topic, has plenty of videos about the hierarchy of evidence pointing to a plant-based diet being adequate and healthy for all stages of life....
“My friends don’t want to be seen with me in public because the anti-slavery community is toxic and because of the toxicity of people who speak up against slavery, being affiliated with me is not good for their image.” 😬
Miss Info everything in your statement is incorrect. It takes substantially more food to feed animals for us to eat than it would be for us to just eat plants. 85% of the worlds soybean goes to animal feed. If you want to look into the environmental impact, 80% of deforestation is linked to animal farming according to WWF. While yes, some animals die in the process of growing fruits, vegetables, grains etc. it takes more to feed animals then it would just humans. More animals are killed in the growing of crops for animals then the growing of crops for humans. Vegetables and fruits and whole grains have substantially more nutritional value than animals. Lastly if you would like to look into the ethical treatment of workers in produce farming, you also need to look at the treatment of workers in factory farming and slaughterhouses. If covid19 numbers are not proof enough, look into suicide rates of slaughterhouse workers. It’s heartbreaking.
Every time I watch one of these "I'm no longer vegan" I feel the urge to make a "Why I'm no longer an omnivore" video explaining all the health issues I had while I was eating animal products, this should totally be a thing 😅 #nolongeranomnivore
The most laughable part of this guy's video is that he claims to be no longer vegan, but not once animals or ethics are mentioned in the video. Great disconnect to what really being a vegan means.
He's also now claiming on Instagram that he can care about animals whilst funding their murder and devouring their corpses. A plant based bullshit artist through and through.
If you see his blood test video from a year ago he says that even meat eaters have to supplement B12. He is being completely dishonest. (Also his B12 levels were perfectly fine as he reveals in the video...)
Mark Garcia Also completely false. I get my meat from a regenerative local farm, no B12 supplements involved. And guess what? Liver is still full of natural B12.
@@MarkusWaas just because it worked for you doesn't mean B12 in animals is absorbed by everybody. Also why can't you respect the lives of individuals who don't want to be killed?
@@MarkusWaas Your statement assumes that most meat eaters are getting their B12 from eating liver. But how many people do you know that actually eat liver regularly. I don't know where you are from, but in the US where I am from, NOBODY is getting their B12 from liver.
With all the corruptions & the unnatural stuff that is pumped into animal agriculture, why would anyone want to eat or drink that stuff is beyond me. Some 20yrs ago i got so paranoid that i started growing my own food. Being Buddhist i’m not allowed to kill to eat so i simply give it up. Occasionally i’d eat 1 egg here and there from our backyard chicken but nothing more.
Soma Vanaprastha not true, didn’t you watch the video? Of course you didn’t, just like you know nothing about nutrition, healthy eating and what is the only know diet to reverse heart disease is. You’re a moron.
Such a glaring issue to me that nobody seems to point out is that he says "My friends have divorced themselves from me, who I thought were good friends", "Can't be seen with me because the vegan movement is toxic". *VEGANS* are toxic?! Sounds like your friends are the toxic ones! What did veganism ever do to your friends? They clearly don't respect you being vegan if they abandoned you when you changed! If you will: "My friends found out I started supporting the abolition of slavery, and they respect that. They're good friends. But they don't want to be seen with me because anti-slavery supporters are toxic. It's not good for their *public image*, so now I'm pro-slavery again. Can't upset my toxic friends, gotta cave to peer pressure, y'know?"
That's a good analogy. But I thought he was talking about his vegan friends, and how they don't want to have anything to do with him. I could be wrong. He didn't make it clear.
It's all a lie. There are no such friends. Those "friends" are non vegan sponsors who needed him to drop veganism to get him on board. He is lying to us all without any shame. Pathetic.
I stopped paying attention to Jon a long time ago. He's really reaching with his points. Look, if you wanna go back to the way things used to be for ya Jon, you do you, but don't try to sell us on your bullshit, mkay?
@@alfredogonzalez8735 The Police have a rule of thumb, "if the suspect is clearly lying, let them carry on lying. Makes it easier to convict them when the truth comes out". 😶
Jon's excuses were as bad as "canines tho", "cavemen tho", etc. He even used an appeal to history fallacy among his excuses, unreal! C'mon, that's one of the excuses you learn to debunk in Vegan 101 ! I never followed the guy, and I'm glad I didn't...
Can we all say that guy was never vegan for the right reasons? given the plethora of excuses. It's disappointing because itmay influence people who are the fence to back off from a vegan lifestyle.
Vegans deserve better influencers than Jon ‘I’ve never had an actual job’ Venus; he always seemed ignorant and uneducated - just became vegan after his brother did
@Southy please explain what he was gotten away with that goes beyond redemption. There are many people I support who are not vegan who came from horrible environments and turned their lives around.
@Southy I asked you to explain and you hit me back with a question that had nothing to do with what I'm asking. I'm not making him the victim at all. Anyone who is open about their past and has demonstrated a change of character in my opinion deserves to be heard and possibly given another chance. People are products of their environments. Of course they can rise above it, and while he never did and made plenty of errors he will hone up to, he served his time and hasn't committed any crimes since unless you know of something?
For me it's a health option. One of the few things that makes me feel good. On the other hand I have to be very selective with grains/veggies/fruit. Or else Digestive issues, bloating, skin flare ups.
I actually never believed he was Vegan, he seemed very 'I'm a star' type and then he started selling supplements, thats when to me it was obvious. He lost me early on, just was missing that 'real' feel. He supposedly has been well researched on what he was teaching, but now acts like he is clueless. I think it he was always on the stage, come to find out people aren't drawn to 'actors' for long
Tbh I always thought he came off as strange and not genuine, but I assumed he must be mildly autistic or something. I also always wondered why he never labeled his eating videos as "vegan." Putting it all together, now, its clear it was all for the money.
I like Simnett Nutrition, who is friends with him. I was exposed to Jon Venus this way and had 0 interest in him or his content, I agree something is not genuine about him.
It’s important to respond to his reasons for quitting otherwise other people might think that they themselves should be concerned, and I appreciate your kindness throughout.
Corporate ties?!😂 Meat, egg and dairy industries are the worst when it comes to this...🤦🏻♀️ Didn’t he stop using Vivo protein powder stating they we’re processed and not good for you and now he’s with MyProtein?! I’m so confused 🤣
Myprotein is the largest protein company in the world. They sell all kinds of vegan protein powders too. In fact last time I checked they had whey, caesin, beef, soy, rice, pea etc.
It's the sugar industry that's the worst. They are much richer. That's why virtually every health related organization promotes grains and demonizes meat, the sugar industry sponsors them at a much greater rate than dairy or meat. Take for example - in the 1960s the US government told society about the link between saturated fat and heart disease, but left out the link discovered between sucrose and heart disease, because many sugar industry companies were sponsoring them and told the government not to release that fact. They will always win in the end, vegans need to understand it's not just meat and dairy that influence studies.
@@MrJavacash, that's why you should look at the methodology and not accept the researchers' conclusions uncritically. BTW, if the sugar industry were as powerful as you say, high fructose corn syrup would be banned or restricted. Hmm...
I like how Mic is clearly an ethical vegan and cares about the animals but he's still good at responding nicely to non and anti vegans and you'd be really reaching if you said he's mean or too extreme
@Lobster Venus ...what? I never said anyone did, I said that you can't say that about him and not be complete bullshit, I never called out specific people for doing it....I was saying that I like that they can't really do it...do you know what a straw man argument is? people always like to reach and say vegans are extreme and mean so it's nice having vegans who people can't say that about
I’m confused because he used to talk about his digestion, constipation, severe, SEVERE acne, and how he felt so good switching to veganism. He mainly mentioned it as a healthy diet that he loved, but he did mention the actual ethics and animal VICTIMS, and all that stuff is suddenly absent in this video. It’s just sad. Sad.
As far as I know John Venus's brother has never had any health problems or deficiencies. So if another people's deficiency was a reason for him to quit veganism then shouldn't his brother's health be an equivalent reason not to quit? And he's probably still going to need to supplement something when he's no longer vegan. He's getting second hand supplements by eating animals. And he's a bodybuilder so he does supplement
Jon: “I don’t have a brother who I can trust to have enough nutritional knowledge to be able to advise what my kid should eat, because he is biased being vegan himself, and he is not a nutritionist, and he doesn’t know how good eggs are... I mean, how delicious... wait, I mean, how healthy eggs are. And fish. And corpses from mammals...”
I've been vegan over 30 years. Raised my son (who's now 25) as a vegan and he's thrived. Unfortunately, this is the problem (flaking out on veganism) when folks are vegan/plant based for health or environmental reasons, like tumbleweed they can be blown about by the winds of change. Going vegan for ethics (my reason) plants you in a more solid foundation for veganism that cannot be easily dismissed by the bro science du jour.
I wish these guys and celeb types wouldn't use the word "vegan" because they're really just trying out a plant based diet for health benefits. And I wish you wouldn't use that word either. Veganism is an ethical choice, a philosophy. When a person goes vegan, they generally do it for life. These silly guys are giving the wrong message by using that word
Fionnuala Murphy 💯 and I hear this all the time, even from people that is aware of the difference. Jon summed it all up in one sentence “the plant based lifestyle, a vegan diet” 🤦
Funnily enough most of my friends didn’t know I was vegan until I had to tell them 🤷♂️. And some have actually decided to take out some animal products for their health and for the animals.
I eat a plant-based diet and trust me, I'm constantly keeping my head down, practically apologizing to non-vegans for my lifestyle just to make them feel better. I watch TONS of non-vegan channels for educational purposes and yep, I'm still a "vegan." BY FAR, vegans are stigmatized and ridiculed (shamelessly I might add.) I respect ALL lifestyle choices by frankly I'm tired of vegans being referred to as "toxic" because of some bad apples in the vegan community who get too much press. I chose to only support influencers who treat ALL people with dignity and respect. Frankly, his reasons are bizarre and weak. Thanks, Mic for addressing the excuses. I have more respect for people who just say, "Hey, I no longer want to be vegan." Just own your choices. I own mine.
Who are these "bad apples" in the Vegan community? Please don't say Gary Yourvski. Some eating "choices" do not give the animals a choice but kidnapping torture, and murder. That is what they are paying for.
"I'm constantly keeping my head down, practically apologizing to non-vegans for my lifestyle just to make them feel better." Well, that generally doesn't win respect. More like the opposite. "treat ALL people with dignity and respect" - All people, huh, do all people deserve respect by default ?(obviously there is a basic "respect" which should apply to not just humans, but that is more a neutral position rather than a position of respect on an individual level) If we go a couple of steps further, it must also include murderers, rapists etc. If you truly mean all. But then there is a difference between people and group identity.
@@bonchidude Agreed. Total thumbs up on this. However, my approach is inviting people to so they don't feel judged or attacked and actually listen to reason and good science. I'm not afraid of confrontation and a good "fight," however, I rarely win anybody over with that strategy and can make more enemies of the cause. If we really do care about the animals and our home (Earth) we'll be cunning and strategic with our approach. Hmmmmm, I don't know Gary but you seemed a little triggered about the "bad apple comment." Lolol! Appreciate your feedback.
Dawn Fiegen I know what you mean about the hate. I have a book reviewing channel. Well one time I was reviewing the book “Whole” by T. Collin Campbell. Well I was quoting what the author was saying and somebody commented that I shouldn’t be giving dietary advice because I am already skinny. They also said that Keto has worked for them. I was shocked. I was just reviewing a book. Haha.
My sister is an omnivore & she has been B12 deficient all of her life! She has to take B12 shots as a supplement doesn’t work. She eats meat at every meal 🤷🏽♀️
There are plenty of reasons why people, even omnivores, can develop a B12 deficiency. It can be an intrinsic factor issue, malabsorption issues or they simply don't eat enough B12 (yes that can happen even when eating animal products as many omnivores still eat mostly plants). But none of that changes the fact that studies clearly show that vegans are FAR more prone to B12 deficiency.
If she wants to try to avoid the shots, she can take sublingual (under the tongue) drops. Keep the drops under your tongue for at least 30 seconds. She should still be tested to see if this works. But you don't need intrinsic factor to absorb it this way.
To Jon, eggs are vegan. So it makes sense that he would see the egg board funding of the academy of nutrition and dietetics and view that as an example of them being a vegan funded and bias organization lmfao.
Jon knows full well funding of the dietetics organization, he has reported their position as a vegan during his videos, he knows the organization is not vegan biased, yet here clearly states the opposite position, this is his most dishonest statement.
Well, maybe, but nutrition information wars are very real. I went vegan Whole Food Plant-Based and every other human being in my life and half of the animals went Keto.
his family and kid is tied into the reason for changing but i believe the pressure is financial to support a kid. its probably coming from the fact he can reach more people now and have more clients as a non vegan. $$$ shame he had to make up a bunch of BS on his way out the door.
Jon Venus swings violently from one absolute belief to the opposite position. Perfect diet can’t contain an egg! No, perfect diet must contain an egg!!!
I feel like you are right, when you talk about diet everyone feels like they’re an expert and has an opinion ...but then you bring a kid into the fact and even more people are experts and have opinions
You made great arguments as always. I think the operative word here I hypocrisy. Just say you were pressured by family, money whatever. Just don’t come up with lame and unsubstantiated reasons.
You brought up a really interesting point regarding how Jon probably quit due to social pressures. Since I went vegan almost 9 months ago the biggest challenge for me sticking with it has been how my social life has been impacted, i.e. having to bring my own food to gatherings, not being invited to things because a restaurant has no options for me, etc. I think a big part of this is that food service and other aspects of society aren't fully willing to accomodate vegans yet and this may lead to feeling like you occupy a different world from your non-vegan peers. Actually talking about the social challenges that come with being vegan could be a really cool topic for a video. At least I know I'd love to see it.
I got bloodwork done, showed low b12, and had to start supplementing with b12 long before I even thought about slowing my consumption of animal products. 🤷♀️ This guy....🙄
That's what I was thinking. Sure they might have told him they respect his decision but they can't be seen with him due to their image, but that could also just be a non-fault excuse they used to distance themselves because they didn't want to hang out with a hypocrite.
I am choosing to eat a vegan diet, my family does not which means that you just called them murderers. Very interesting. Well I think that you're the toxic type of vegan. I thought the vegan community is all about being kind to everyone and everything, not only animals. Can't help but be a bit disappointed when I read those kind of opinions.
@@holisticachievers oh, I'm not saying that I think it's murder, I'm saying that if you genuinely do believe that it's murder, then you don't associate with a murderer. I've associated with people who have murdered other people, I don't care. But I can see how common vegans would feel that way. You read more into that than was written.
@@holisticachievers well if eating meat is murder, yes, like 99% of population are murderers, if as a child you eat meat you were something like a child murderer
Yes probably family pressure. He already said he loved his family in Norway that is not vegan and who is hunting and that he did not want to be labeled as vegan. That's when his first "I don't care" started from. Then even more pressure from his family as a dad. You end up caving in.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but something seemed to be off with Jon Venus for the past couple of years. He used to really wear his veganism on his sleeve where he's promote it heavily on his channel. He even did humorous response videos to anti-vegan comments and he really seemed proud to be a vegan. Then he started to really downplay the veganism and even went so far as to say he preferred to be plant based. Even after he reverse coursed on this his video content was very PC, like he went out of his way not to say anything to controversial; he may as well have no longer been a vegan channel. I'm not surprised at all he quit veganism considering, it feels like he's been transitioning out of it for a while now.
Spot on Kevin. I think the reality of being vegan didn't fit his circumstances and preferences. Now he's concocting a half-witted smear campaign against veganism and its proponents.
If some of his fellow vegan influencers have made a choice not to hang out with him, or have him in their videos anymore I can understand that. Having a non-vegan in your vegan content could send a mixed message to your followers and when your income depends on it. If your not rich (most vegan TH-camrs aren't) then that could be a big risk. As far as his friends ditching him, I can kinda get this too. If you believe a person shares your ethics but then they reverse themselves on those ethics and won't give a good argument for WHY they're ignoring the ethics you thought you shared, that can be very confusing and hurtful. Should you kick everyone out of your life who doesn't share your ethics... No probably not, there's only room for growth when there's also room for conflict. However, the feeling of betrayal, anger, and hurt that you may feel in response to a friend's revelation regarding abandoning shared ethics could lead you to make decisions about your friendship that cause a relationship to dissolve. Basically, I can understand why he's hurt by his friends' reactions. Relationships ending, no matter how or why, is usually really painful and this situation certainly doesn't cast the vegan community in a good light. Still, I'm sure his friends are just as hurt by his decision to not honor the ethics they thought they shared.
Maybe they just didn't want to hang out with an anti-science hypocrite, and it had nothing to do with their "image". Jon and Katrine did a Q and A when their son was born and were asked their opinion on vaccines. They gave a fluff answer implying they didn't vaccinate their child, but now they suddenly care about his health? Katrine also follows (or used to, I unfollowed her ages ago) an anti-vax advocate on instagram. Now Jon is saying peer reviewed studies don't matter or statements from offical health organizations can't be believed because they might have bias? He's so dumb he hardly has two braincells to rub together but he thinks he's enlightened and more intelligent than everyone else because he "thinks a lot about things". He's the definition of a Himbo.
He has proved to be untrustworthy to his friends and when he revealed he was eating eggs, it caused backlash not just to him but also to those he associated with. On the other hand, I can also see how the Violife ambassadors might have been told to break ties with Jon Venus. And if the dollar is more important than the friendship, then I can see how that's hurtful to him.
I agree with what you say about fellow influencers distancing themselves. That is business and that’s how it works. I completely disagree with your statement that you find friends ditching him understandable. If you are hurt by another person’s ethical stances, then you are not respecting their boundaries and that means you haven’t been friends in the first place. I am rather puzzled how anyone would be dumb enough to believe someone to be their friend who ditches them based on a dietary decision. Apparently Jon is not convinced of the ethical superiority of a vegan diet, he seems to be scared, maybe confused, maybe pressured, and so that is his reality and a friend respects that by default. Unless you are a pathological narcissist or some other personality disordered individual with an inability to to distinguish the self from others, you are not hurt by a friends personal choices and convictions. I think it is important to stress that to anyone outside of the vegan community, the idea of ditching a friend for not being vegan anymore sounds completely crazy. I believe, Erica, that it is attitudes such as these, the my way or the highway entitlement while operating out of the position of being only a radical minority is what damages the image of veganism massively and sabotaged its progression into mainstream. Would you only be friends with people who share your exact same belief system and if so, how do you think veganism can ever make its way into the mainstream? It is the positive actions, the cooking a really nice vegan meal for a friend, the showing people the game changers, telling about all the good things of being vegan and lead by example that win over people’s minds. Not shaming and harassing people, betraying friends, and the likes. Unless your goal is a violent vegan power grab and ostracizing and incarcerating non-vegans.
Very disappointing but still wish him the best. Incidentally I will be ‘boycotting’ his videos because I simply have no interest in hearing what someone with such unfounded anti-vegan opinions has to say...
I wish he would just say that he wants to eat meat and dairy without trying to back it up with any argument. People around me don't want me to be vegan. I want to fit in with them. How hard is that?
Completed a bachelor of medical science. Was told by a professor that the optimal/best diet would be eating other people since you would get all the required macro and micro nutrients required...but we don't do that do we...
Thanks for posting Mike. We were waiting for you. :-) We can always depend on you to give a sober commentary on issues. I see you mentioned exactly my comment on his channel about if there is some deficiency, that he should tell us so we can be prepared? It doesn't make sense to keep an issue private that can potentially improve the health of tens of thousands of vegans. Doing so appears a bit, disingenuous.
Excellent response! The best one by far. Very concise and I like how you addressed each of his “arguments” with direct answers backed with studies and facts.
Jon has gone full carnitard on Instagram, claiming that he can care about animals whilst devouring their murdered corpses. Yeah, definitely wasn't just a plant based bullshit artist right? Give me a break.
Southy at the time it wasn’t, the idea that they could be murdered was widely mocked and dismissed in exactly the same way you dismiss animals being murdered. At the end of the day there is still someone that did nothing wrong and that wants to live being forced into a gas chamber, being shot in the head and having their throat sliced open. Feel free to call it whatever makes you feel better.
Southy yes you use euphemisms for killing, also your analogy is fallacious, “is me going down the road and shooting some random person in the face the same as me shooting a kangaroo on my land to provide food for me and my dog?” That is false equivalence. Try this “is me going down the road and shooting a person to provide food for me and my dog the same as shooting a kangaroo to provide food for me and my dog?” At least that is logically equivalent. The only difference is that laws protect the humans. Kangaroos, cows chickens and pigs are all fair game. You will not be prosecuted for taking the life of the animals. But to that animal, does it value its life any less than the human? Do you have a right to take it when you could easily eat something else? Again either way their is an individual that does not want to die versus your ego, your convenience and your wants. It is very easy to avoid unnecessary harm and you make that choice three times every day. Peace begins on your plate.
Southy just because I destroyed your nonsense you fall back on you can’t tell me what to do. The point is you don’t care about animals and never will, you “love” your dog but that’s it. Everything else can die. I made no assumptions that weren’t true.
I always look forward to your videos; they are so thorough. I like your point about family pressure. I am a mother of 3 kids; since I do the cooking, my husband and children also eat plant based. But outside of my immediate family unit, my parents and others have given some push back. For instance my mom will almost always offer or put put at least one animal product when we visit, and family dinners are always standard American (/Canadian). My younger sister has made some not quite genuine, almost condescending, comments about my "commitment and dedication to what I believe in". Luckily although my twin sister isn't plant based, she is supportive and has my back when shots get fired lol I feel you on the family pressures. It is also a point that I hadn't heard suggested in the other videos I had watched on this issue. Thanks Mic
same issue here with me and my ex wifes family.. they constantly tried to question our vegan lifestyle. we have two kids and they constantly tried to force their non vegan beliefs upon our children... its so demoralizing if people aren't respecting your science and love based lifestyle family can ruin your lifestyle when you have kids even with the support of legal support as the norm isn't vegan yet. it will be for sure but it simply isn't yet
The social pressure of being vegan is real. Just mention you've thought about "backsliding" and watch all of your carnist friends and family congratulate and encourage you. They can't wait to welcome you back - offering to cook your childhood fave meals or take you to that bbq restaurant. If you're not vegan for ethical reasons it is tough to resist. The rest is justifications; for either what you know in your heart is wrong or what is right. Edit, grammar.
Why do people go from vegan to omnivore? What about vegetarian? If you are an ethical vegan and truly are thinking you’re saving your health with animal protein why not become vegetarian?? That’s when my BS meter goes off... who goes from an ethical vegan to eating MEAT? Bizarre.
everything aside, it really bugs me some people think they are somewhat important enough to "coach" others with no actual qualification. just because they post pretty pics on social media and talk whatever on camera. i've seen myka stauffer drama this week for the first time and ermahgerd, she talks like a child, posts her children and thinks she is doing a -- great service to the humanity -- with her baby voice & clearly unhealthy, immature mindset. jon is the same. his 'pep talks' were ridiculous. dude, there are a ton of people out there doing a great job about anything you need. you keep lifting those weights and yo-yo dieting. he had sold enough vegan themed shirts I guess, now gotta sell whey bRoteIn powder, cuz b12 tho. your brother has more legit advice on nutrition (duh he's md at least) also guys like brian turner is better resource for vegan bodybuilding than your look obsessed, vlog themed channel anyway so go ahead and sell some supplements for your 'family' and become a family channel or something because what else are you doing other than showing off 'how good you have' SMH
Thanks for the response Mic! Was waiting for you to post a response video to Jon Venus' "veganism is cancelled" video. Better late than never right? Appreciate you taking the approach of breaking it down piece by piece (as you always do!) and focusing on the data and critical thinking, rather than just taking digs at him. Also love that you're supporting smaller channels! I've actually been posting videos the last month and a half and am so happy to see there are people in the vegan/plant-based TH-cam community supporting smaller, quality channels
@@kurtsakslsvideosaks9185 he says that he is disappointed and still believes that veganism is the ideal diet, but he'll still be positive/friends with venus in case he ever wants to return to veganism
“What we ate to survive in history is not by definition what we must eat to thrive currently” - such a good statement opposing the naturalistic phallacy
The best things come to those who wait, eh lol "welcome to the party pal" (Die Hard reference) But in all seriousness i'm so glad you made this video as it was so well-balanced and you stay on the right side of the facts! Speaking from personal experience and almost 3yrs a vegan myself, alot of videos out there criticise the shelf life of a vegan diet is approx. 2 years so i'm due to quit anytime soon...hmmm...but your videos are so helpful and keep me on the right track and you ALWAYS have a great way of explaining it without getting into personal attacks like so many. This is why when I get ask question, I always recommend your channel.
Thanks for this it was a great breakdown. It's funny because he references so little in the video, and the things he chose to reference were vegan sponsored studies (which I'm not sure is even true) and the judgmental vibe from the vegan community. 1) The meat and dairy industry have been funding & cherry picking studies for years and they are far more guilty of that. 2) I've honestly never felt so judged than when I became vegan 6 years ago. I'm sure there's judgemental ppl on both sides, but I never noticed it when I ate animal products but now that I'm vegan whenever it's brought up (and I avoid it as much as possible because of this) I'm faced with an incredible amount of judgement from mostly uneducated people. Lastly I don't really see how you can be a fan of someone like this whether you consume animal products or not. The way he went into veganism he boasted about it being for the animals and how he couldn't believe what they were doing to them, then talked about environmental impacts etc. Now none of that seems to matter and he doesn't even come close to giving a convincing point as to why he's going in this direction. And worse, we all know that now this will be used as a reference to show how you "can't last on a vegan diet." *Despite the fact that tons of people are at that nutritionally speaking you can get everything you need so long as you supplement B12.
7 years ago I was diagnosed with RA and told to take meds. Took them for a year and made very little difference. Stopped meds started a vegan diet with B12 and D3 plus zinc in winter. My symptoms are very minor now and I will never eat meat and dairy again. I found through trial and error that most meats and cream caused my joints to flare. Everyone is different but for me plants are my meds 🙏🏽
The stuff about B12 is a lie, it seems like he just wants money. Plus in terms of research, plant based is way better at sourcing B12, it’s just no effort.
I think that his points about people not talking to him anymore and not wanting to be seen with him in public is good support for the idea that social pressure is what caused him to go back to carnism
I agree about the family pressure, specially with a kid. I think it could be very difficult to raise a kid in a way with everyone around you telling you that you are hurting your kid. No dad wants to hurt his kid, and maybe he thinks its better to raise him not vegan since he was raise that way and everything went fine with him.
Has anyone ever took into account that he lives in Norway, and that recently he and his partner were forced to quarantine there in a cabin. He was making snow caves with his son in May. I just watched a friends vlog showing him getting off the plane in Oslo and it was snowing in June. It's warmer now but I just took that into account on why he went back into eating meat be it that it's one of the three arms of relapsing; people, places and things(old habits.)
What I've learned from the ex-plant-based-poser community: Physically hurting animals and murdering them is ok. Criticising people on the internet is hurting their feelings and therefore not ok.
Your being outdoors didn't detract from the quality of the video. Good to see ya getting some vitamin D! I think Jon Venus is vain about his appearance but insecure about everything else. Bit of a mess going on in his head due to that, methinks. Also, not too smart! "CEO of Responding Later Than Everybody Else to an Issue" lmao! It's always worth the wait so don't sweat it! lol @ Franky TofuNO joke!
The part that bothers me the most is him saying he literally can't read and evaluate a nutritional study because it's too "confusing" and yet he feels qualified to charge people for health and nutrition advice through his coaching programs. That just doesn't sit right.
He have scam ppl for there money.
So true and it’s awful!
It sits right to me. He's in it for the money. Which isn't bad in itsefl, but still kinda sucks.
Jon just does all the social media advertising his wife Katherine is the one who is the dietician or nutritionist. She does all the cooking and designed the meal plans. I think she’s going along with this because it’s a business decision as he tarnished his reputation, influence and lost money. Her story and reasoning doesn’t add up either.
You'd think he'd just ask his brother, the physician.
Maybe you're later than everyone but your responses are the best.
Facts
Next to vegan gains that is..
Human Parasite again facts
Agreed!
Best for last?
He just sounds like a victim of conspiracy theories...
Also “I don’t wanna supplement”
Seriously ? The dude is in fitness industry he really needs to cut that shit 🤣
jon has the personality of a cow patty.
The 7% vegan population is not supporting a multi-billion $ supplement industry all on tbeir own.
Not to mention, he SELLS supplements ... 🤦🏼♀️ Oh yikes ... Jon is so lost
You're hot.
he will keep supplementing protein powder and probably more casual weight training supplements such as creatine so it's all bs
He has very clearly made a business decision. His channel was dying with less than 10K views per video despite almost 400K subscribers and he just signed a deal with MyProtein so now he's able to market all of their products, not just the vegan ones. He was never a vegan for the ethics, it was always a business strategy. Now he's going to rake in the views from all the anti-vegan videos he'll be making. Literally his first post on Instagram after quitting veganism is about how it made his skin bad despite him having stated many times over the years that veganism cleared up his skin. I'll bet you anything he's going to try the carnivore diet as well, he already follows a bunch of its greatest defenders on Instagram. Don't get it twisted, Jon Venus is a dishonest liar who's only in it for the money.
@Baun92 I think you could be right about the business decision. I thought it was pressure from others but he’s not a school kid. I mean nobody ever pressured me into anything but some people bow to pressure. I just think at his age he should be more self-confident and own his decisions. So your explanation makes more sense to me now.
I fully agree that for some people a brand deal is a big incentive to drop veganism since the best sold products out there are whey protein and pre workout! BUT Myprotein has many vegan options compared to most other brands. I'm also sponsored by an even larger supplement brand, Prozis, and selling out for sales didn't even cross my mind, and funny thing, I have the biggest sales in my country across all brands and influencers. I feel like selling out like that is such a petty reason especially since I can guarantee MyProtein ( with which I also have collaborated in the past ) doesn't enforce you to promote specific products.
Can’t wait till he hops ok whey again and starts breaking out :)
Funny thing here is that the more meat eggs and dairy you eat the more estrogens you get hence the more feminine skin you get. Your skin may look smoother but it's because it's collecting more fat, and the anti inflammatory effects. But you could just take estrogen and eat more fats for that look and not worry about eating animals.
Yeah money talks... I stopped following him a long time ago but it's sad to see that he is trying to make up for a big loss of following and views with anti-vegan marketing these days. Just sad and damaging to the vegan movement
jon: "i don't wanna supplement my diet :'(("
also jon: myproteinus ambassador! uSe mY coDe for broTEin!!
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Lmaooo
It's literally dried milk protein, you can get it from food as well.
he already did with vivo life products?
Him and his wife are blocking every criticism in their comment section and left only ones praising them. They disabled the comment section when 99% of the comments were of people either disappointed or confused because of his vague explanations. They are also blocking everyone who’s asking them to provide studies and sources that back up his explanations. Shady shady shady.
Blocking eople who do not agree with you is BS and very telling of where he is coming from.🙄
I think it is time to MASS REPORT HIS CHANNEL to bring him down like a human who deserves a 6 by 2 plot of land. This is all the land he needs.
If he continues to do this please everyone dislike all his videos until he becomes honest. We cant let influencers misrepresent this topic like this
@Southy Joey legitimately does so, non of those blocked presented facts or studies to support their case as we often do and have to Jon Venus, trolls on Joeys site were also of the most extreme nastiness I have come across on vegan sites without any good reason.
i feel bad for their kid
You're too kind, allow me to translate....... HE'S FAKE AF.
Wow nice tattoo haha what a joke
@@johncole4882 I like the tattoo. I think I will get it. thanks Raven is doing something right, because anti-vegans are against it. :)
@@bonchidude the ego involved in a tattoo like that is laughable only a child would put that on their body. What's also entertaining is the fall back on any criticism is that the person is anti vegan haha oooh spooky
@@johncole4882 only a child would comment on a decision on someone's skin that doesn't hurt anyone. 😊
What? You’re stupid dude
It's interesting that he implies that the science about which diet to go to is "so confusing and unsettled", yet even his own brother, who is more versed on the topic, has plenty of videos about the hierarchy of evidence pointing to a plant-based diet being adequate and healthy for all stages of life....
His brother’s response video was excellent
You can tell which brother got the intelligence gene.
He’s obviously being disingenuous or it’s he who finds nutrition confusing, not the quality of the evidence.
Daniel Welch link?
Vegans getting irritated when someone leaves the cult and more vegan drama coming soon. Hahahaha I can't stop laughing hahahaha
I'm anti-slavery. Later, slavery is easier.
Yes, jon took the red pill and then took the blue pill again. What a sellout.
slavery is easier if you are the master, that is a fact
“My friends don’t want to be seen with me in public because the anti-slavery community is toxic and because of the toxicity of people who speak up against slavery, being affiliated with me is not good for their image.” 😬
He went back to following what’s very bad which is quite sad to see. Stella Rae went back to being non vegan too.
Miss Info
everything in your statement is incorrect. It takes substantially more food to feed animals for us to eat than it would be for us to just eat plants. 85% of the worlds soybean goes to animal feed. If you want to look into the environmental impact, 80% of deforestation is linked to animal farming according to WWF. While yes, some animals die in the process of growing fruits, vegetables, grains etc. it takes more to feed animals then it would just humans. More animals are killed in the growing of crops for animals then the growing of crops for humans. Vegetables and fruits and whole grains have substantially more nutritional value than animals. Lastly if you would like to look into the ethical treatment of workers in produce farming, you also need to look at the treatment of workers in factory farming and slaughterhouses. If covid19 numbers are not proof enough, look into suicide rates of slaughterhouse workers. It’s heartbreaking.
Every time I watch one of these "I'm no longer vegan" I feel the urge to make a "Why I'm no longer an omnivore" video explaining all the health issues I had while I was eating animal products, this should totally be a thing 😅 #nolongeranomnivore
Yes !!!
Do it
Do it :)
DO IT !
Stefany Villegas do it!!
The most laughable part of this guy's video is that he claims to be no longer vegan, but not once animals or ethics are mentioned in the video. Great disconnect to what really being a vegan means.
Absolutely, he didn't talk about the other aspects of being vegan that don't relate to diet... truly pathetic
He's also now claiming on Instagram that he can care about animals whilst funding their murder and devouring their corpses. A plant based bullshit artist through and through.
@@cynicalidealist11 now we'll see a lot of humanely raised corpses shit
CynicalIdealist that’s exactly what I said and his wife said “you’re spreading false news” 😂 what does she even mean???
@@lovemyanimals7433 lol what
If you see his blood test video from a year ago he says that even meat eaters have to supplement B12. He is being completely dishonest. (Also his B12 levels were perfectly fine as he reveals in the video...)
Emily Seeger Completely false, eat a small amount of liver and there is absolutely zero requirement for B12 supplements.
@@markgarcia5845 yep. Just put a little nooch on your salad, and done!
Mark Garcia Also completely false. I get my meat from a regenerative local farm, no B12 supplements involved. And guess what? Liver is still full of natural B12.
@@MarkusWaas just because it worked for you doesn't mean B12 in animals is absorbed by everybody. Also why can't you respect the lives of individuals who don't want to be killed?
@@MarkusWaas Your statement assumes that most meat eaters are getting their B12 from eating liver. But how many people do you know that actually eat liver regularly. I don't know where you are from, but in the US where I am from, NOBODY is getting their B12 from liver.
"What we ate to survive in history is not, by definition, what we must eat to thrive currently." 💯💯💯
@Colleen De koning I thought of this too, glad I'm not the only one😜
@Colleen De koning 😂😂😂😂😂
With all the corruptions & the unnatural stuff that is pumped into animal agriculture, why would anyone want to eat or drink that stuff is beyond me. Some 20yrs ago i got so paranoid that i started growing my own food. Being Buddhist i’m not allowed to kill to eat so i simply give it up. Occasionally i’d eat 1 egg here and there from our backyard chicken but nothing more.
Jeff Jeff well obviously i do, even if u don’t
the primitive diets were great at getting neanderthals to the ripe old age of 30
Veganism is not a "diet." It is a stance against animal abuse.
Yup, that’s right. Better for him to say, he’s now no longer 100% plant based
Jeff Jeff you think avoiding unnecessary harm to animals is pathetic?
Jeff Jeff that’s not an answer to my question I’ll ask you again, you think avoiding unnecessary harm to animals is pathetic?
And a stance against human health. Vegan deterioration.
Soma Vanaprastha not true, didn’t you watch the video? Of course you didn’t, just like you know nothing about nutrition, healthy eating and what is the only know diet to reverse heart disease is. You’re a moron.
Such a glaring issue to me that nobody seems to point out is that he says "My friends have divorced themselves from me, who I thought were good friends", "Can't be seen with me because the vegan movement is toxic". *VEGANS* are toxic?! Sounds like your friends are the toxic ones! What did veganism ever do to your friends? They clearly don't respect you being vegan if they abandoned you when you changed!
If you will: "My friends found out I started supporting the abolition of slavery, and they respect that. They're good friends. But they don't want to be seen with me because anti-slavery supporters are toxic. It's not good for their *public image*, so now I'm pro-slavery again. Can't upset my toxic friends, gotta cave to peer pressure, y'know?"
And the strange thing is that he seemed to have a really strong support network of vegan friends and family. What about them?
That's a good analogy. But I thought he was talking about his vegan friends, and how they don't want to have anything to do with him. I could be wrong. He didn't make it clear.
S O N J A Yeah I saw that as a dig at his vegan buddies Nimai, Brian and simnett
It's all a lie. There are no such friends. Those "friends" are non vegan sponsors who needed him to drop veganism to get him on board. He is lying to us all without any shame. Pathetic.
Both meat eaters and vegans can be toxic. Just read some of the comments. Seems disagreeing with someone is a green light for being a toxic asshole.
I stopped paying attention to Jon a long time ago. He's really reaching with his points. Look, if you wanna go back to the way things used to be for ya Jon, you do you, but don't try to sell us on your bullshit, mkay?
I want him to try to sell us his bullshit so we can tear it down easily
@@alfredogonzalez8735
The Police have a rule of thumb, "if the suspect is clearly lying, let them carry on lying. Makes it easier to convict them when the truth comes out".
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So he could just stop being Vegan and not say anything on his channel ?
Your pfp where very fitting to your comment hehe
He's already got a sponsorship from a non vegan company. Seems like that's the only reason.
who? proof?
I think it is the main reason. His viewership was also sagging because his personality is flaccid.
Michelle Lowe did a video highlighting this issue. th-cam.com/video/D8Y8k7cLqes/w-d-xo.html
@@SubhajitM MyProtein.
I believe he was sponsored by vivo. I'm sure he can find vegan sponsors. But he is just a coward. Was never vegan. Just makin $$$
how did Jon talk so long without giving any real reasons? Maybe he's pursuing a political career ?
omg 😂
Jon's excuses were as bad as "canines tho", "cavemen tho", etc. He even used an appeal to history fallacy among his excuses, unreal! C'mon, that's one of the excuses you learn to debunk in Vegan 101 ! I never followed the guy, and I'm glad I didn't...
Toxic
@@johncole4882 yes, jon is toxic. He is paying to murder animals.
@@johncole4882 #DamnRight
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Can we all say that guy was never vegan for the right reasons? given the plethora of excuses. It's disappointing because itmay influence people who are the fence to back off from a vegan lifestyle.
Based of his Instagram comments half of his followers are non-vegans who comment same type of scheisse
Vegans deserve better influencers than Jon ‘I’ve never had an actual job’ Venus; he always seemed ignorant and uneducated - just became vegan after his brother did
John Venus seems like a total poser twat.
@SouthyWhat about him? He already payed for his past mistakes and he is not that person anymore. He has consistently proved us all that.
@Southy please explain what he was gotten away with that goes beyond redemption. There are many people I support who are not vegan who came from horrible environments and turned their lives around.
@Southy I'm sure your blameless and perfect eh? I'm sure you must be vegan seeing that you abhor violence to other beings.
@Southy I asked you to explain and you hit me back with a question that had nothing to do with what I'm asking. I'm not making him the victim at all. Anyone who is open about their past and has demonstrated a change of character in my opinion deserves to be heard and possibly given another chance. People are products of their environments. Of course they can rise above it, and while he never did and made plenty of errors he will hone up to, he served his time and hasn't committed any crimes since unless you know of something?
I am now going on a diet of 100% human flesh flavored Doritos. Clearly no study has been done to refute this as a great diet.
Exactly!
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why don't they just say they like to eat meat - because, at the end of the day, isn't that the one and only reason people eat meat ..?
Some people like it some people don’t. Just because you don’t like doesn’t mean the next person doesn’t.
Yes.
No, educated people eat meat for health reasons.
For me it's a health option. One of the few things that makes me feel good. On the other hand I have to be very selective with grains/veggies/fruit. Or else Digestive issues, bloating, skin flare ups.
Humans aren't that weak. Taste could never mean more to us than our principles. It's a matter of ethics, values (or not having them)
I actually never believed he was Vegan, he seemed very 'I'm a star' type and then he started selling supplements, thats when to me it was obvious. He lost me early on, just was missing that 'real' feel. He supposedly has been well researched on what he was teaching, but now acts like he is clueless. I think it he was always on the stage, come to find out people aren't drawn to 'actors' for long
Tbh I always thought he came off as strange and not genuine, but I assumed he must be mildly autistic or something. I also always wondered why he never labeled his eating videos as "vegan." Putting it all together, now, its clear it was all for the money.
Same
I like Simnett Nutrition, who is friends with him. I was exposed to Jon Venus this way and had 0 interest in him or his content, I agree something is not genuine about him.
Simonett is a juicehead like all of them. @@JC-ss2sn
His reasons were all BS ...
The crazy part is that hes debunked all those points himself one time or another
The only honest reason for not being vegan is that you just don't give a shit.
Once he tried those eggs there was no going back.
@@johncole4882 💯 correct!! It was so frustrating to hear him say all that stuff🤦🏼♀️
@@vulturnuszan yep! Seems like his ethics were for sale.... He was never in it for the animals.
It’s important to respond to his reasons for quitting otherwise other people might think that they themselves should be concerned, and I appreciate your kindness throughout.
Mic for President!
Mark Anthony nobody likes a quitter 😉
Wearephuct O 🇺🇸😃👍
Agreed! The vagueness of his statement just didn’t make sense
I don't even think he should be justifying himself. In the end of the day it's his choice
Corporate ties?!😂 Meat, egg and dairy industries are the worst when it comes to this...🤦🏻♀️ Didn’t he stop using Vivo protein powder stating they we’re processed and not good for you and now he’s with MyProtein?! I’m so confused 🤣
Right?! NO ONE lobbies like meat and dairy FACT!
Myprotein is the largest protein company in the world. They sell all kinds of vegan protein powders too. In fact last time I checked they had whey, caesin, beef, soy, rice, pea etc.
It's the sugar industry that's the worst. They are much richer. That's why virtually every health related organization promotes grains and demonizes meat, the sugar industry sponsors them at a much greater rate than dairy or meat. Take for example - in the 1960s the US government told society about the link between saturated fat and heart disease, but left out the link discovered between sucrose and heart disease, because many sugar industry companies were sponsoring them and told the government not to release that fact. They will always win in the end, vegans need to understand it's not just meat and dairy that influence studies.
Righttttt the meat industry and dairy industry is the one everyone should be ditching due to the ethics it brings to the world 🌍
@@MrJavacash, that's why you should look at the methodology and not accept the researchers' conclusions uncritically.
BTW, if the sugar industry were as powerful as you say, high fructose corn syrup would be banned or restricted. Hmm...
I like how Mic is clearly an ethical vegan and cares about the animals but he's still good at responding nicely to non and anti vegans and you'd be really reaching if you said he's mean or too extreme
Agree, he's a diplomat.
There is no such thing as a non-ethical vegan.
@@leon34068 I think the comment meant as in a vegan not just or not for health reasons. In other words, just plant-based but not cruelty-free.
Vegans are far from ethical, they are basically the antithesis of ethical.
@Lobster Venus ...what? I never said anyone did, I said that you can't say that about him and not be complete bullshit, I never called out specific people for doing it....I was saying that I like that they can't really do it...do you know what a straw man argument is? people always like to reach and say vegans are extreme and mean so it's nice having vegans who people can't say that about
I’m confused because he used to talk about his digestion, constipation, severe, SEVERE acne, and how he felt so good switching to veganism. He mainly mentioned it as a healthy diet that he loved, but he did mention the actual ethics and animal VICTIMS, and all that stuff is suddenly absent in this video. It’s just sad. Sad.
Just as the others exV 🥱
I know right i still can not believe he fooled me!!
He's a guy who's brags about an optimal diet while eating deserts 24/7..
I was thinking about the same thing. If you are vegan and are feeling great, why change? Who cares about anything else?
Most bodybuilders are obsessed with food to the point they develop eating disorders and are narcissistic so this wasn’t unexpected.
Sounds like he's being paid to say these things.. 🤔 He's always been into it for the money, anyway.
I doubt he was paid. He’s still quitting veganism for the money, though.
*Ooo yes I’ve been waiting for this one!!*
As far as I know John Venus's brother has never had any health problems or deficiencies. So if another people's deficiency was a reason for him to quit veganism then shouldn't his brother's health be an equivalent reason not to quit?
And he's probably still going to need to supplement something when he's no longer vegan. He's getting second hand supplements by eating animals. And he's a bodybuilder so he does supplement
And his brother did a video about his change.
You're delusional if you think all farm animals are being given supplements. A blood test isn't a proof of good health.
Jon: "Suddenly I'm confused on the science about what to eat"
Me: "Um, do you remember that you have a brother who is well-versed in that?"
Jon: “I don’t have a brother who I can trust to have enough nutritional knowledge to be able to advise what my kid should eat, because he is biased being vegan himself, and he is not a nutritionist, and he doesn’t know how good eggs are... I mean, how delicious... wait, I mean, how healthy eggs are. And fish. And corpses from mammals...”
Vegan drama queen 🤣🤣🤣
I've been vegan over 30 years. Raised my son (who's now 25) as a vegan and he's thrived. Unfortunately, this is the problem (flaking out on veganism) when folks are vegan/plant based for health or environmental reasons, like tumbleweed they can be blown about by the winds of change. Going vegan for ethics (my reason) plants you in a more solid foundation for veganism that cannot be easily dismissed by the bro science du jour.
I wish these guys and celeb types wouldn't use the word "vegan" because they're really just trying out a plant based diet for health benefits. And I wish you wouldn't use that word either. Veganism is an ethical choice, a philosophy. When a person goes vegan, they generally do it for life. These silly guys are giving the wrong message by using that word
Fionnuala Murphy 💯 and I hear this all the time, even from people that is aware of the difference. Jon summed it all up in one sentence “the plant based lifestyle, a vegan diet” 🤦
I agree with this 👍
Yeah, "celebs" tend to flip flop a lot.
100% I am vegan for the animals 28 years... this ugly losers are out and just plain zombie animal abusers...
Funnily enough most of my friends didn’t know I was vegan until I had to tell them 🤷♂️. And some have actually decided to take out some animal products for their health and for the animals.
Didn't know for how long?
I eat a plant-based diet and trust me, I'm constantly keeping my head down, practically apologizing to non-vegans for my lifestyle just to make them feel better. I watch TONS of non-vegan channels for educational purposes and yep, I'm still a "vegan." BY FAR, vegans are stigmatized and ridiculed (shamelessly I might add.) I respect ALL lifestyle choices by frankly I'm tired of vegans being referred to as "toxic" because of some bad apples in the vegan community who get too much press. I chose to only support influencers who treat ALL people with dignity and respect. Frankly, his reasons are bizarre and weak. Thanks, Mic for addressing the excuses. I have more respect for people who just say, "Hey, I no longer want to be vegan." Just own your choices. I own mine.
Who are these "bad apples" in the Vegan community? Please don't say Gary Yourvski. Some eating "choices" do not give the animals a choice but kidnapping torture, and murder. That is what they are paying for.
@nothing nowhere true.
"I'm constantly keeping my head down, practically apologizing to non-vegans for my lifestyle just to make them feel better." Well, that generally doesn't win respect. More like the opposite.
"treat ALL people with dignity and respect" - All people, huh, do all people deserve respect by default ?(obviously there is a basic "respect" which should apply to not just humans, but that is more a neutral position rather than a position of respect on an individual level) If we go a couple of steps further, it must also include murderers, rapists etc. If you truly mean all. But then there is a difference between people and group identity.
@@bonchidude Agreed. Total thumbs up on this. However, my approach is inviting people to so they don't feel judged or attacked and actually listen to reason and good science. I'm not afraid of confrontation and a good "fight," however, I rarely win anybody over with that strategy and can make more enemies of the cause. If we really do care about the animals and our home (Earth) we'll be cunning and strategic with our approach. Hmmmmm, I don't know Gary but you seemed a little triggered about the "bad apple comment." Lolol! Appreciate your feedback.
Dawn Fiegen I know what you mean about the hate. I have a book reviewing channel. Well one time I was reviewing the book “Whole” by T. Collin Campbell. Well I was quoting what the author was saying and somebody commented that I shouldn’t be giving dietary advice because I am already skinny. They also said that Keto has worked for them. I was shocked. I was just reviewing a book. Haha.
My sister is an omnivore & she has been B12 deficient all of her life! She has to take B12 shots as a supplement doesn’t work. She eats meat at every meal 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah if we don't have intrinsic factor in gut we can't absorb it.
I’m friends with an omnivore that needs b12 shots too, exactly this is not an issue unique to a vegan diet.
There are plenty of reasons why people, even omnivores, can develop a B12 deficiency. It can be an intrinsic factor issue, malabsorption issues or they simply don't eat enough B12 (yes that can happen even when eating animal products as many omnivores still eat mostly plants). But none of that changes the fact that studies clearly show that vegans are FAR more prone to B12 deficiency.
If she wants to try to avoid the shots, she can take sublingual (under the tongue) drops. Keep the drops under your tongue for at least 30 seconds. She should still be tested to see if this works. But you don't need intrinsic factor to absorb it this way.
@@lilo_920 No, studies don't show that.
Keep looking at that 1 study from 20 years ago.
To Jon, eggs are vegan. So it makes sense that he would see the egg board funding of the academy of nutrition and dietetics and view that as an example of them being a vegan funded and bias organization lmfao.
Jon knows full well funding of the dietetics organization, he has reported their position as a vegan during his videos, he knows the organization is not vegan biased, yet here clearly states the opposite position, this is his most dishonest statement.
That dude just wants attention. He knew he would get it with response videos.
Yeah sometimes I wonder if we should even make response videos. Or we should just quietly unfollow and give ZERO attention to ex-vegan vids.
Well, maybe, but nutrition information wars are very real. I went vegan Whole Food Plant-Based and every other human being in my life and half of the animals went Keto.
I love your response videos. This as well again, being polite, funny and well read into the subjects. Thank you so much.
his family and kid is tied into the reason for changing but i believe the pressure is financial to support a kid. its probably coming from the fact he can reach more people now and have more clients as a non vegan. $$$ shame he had to make up a bunch of BS on his way out the door.
How about you just don’t pop out kids if you don’t have enough money to support them??? 🧐
@@flyandshy00only if that would be so obvious to everyone...
Jon Venus swings violently from one absolute belief to the opposite position. Perfect diet can’t contain an egg! No, perfect diet must contain an egg!!!
I've been waiting for this response from you!
Not wanting to be associated with someone because they exhibit immoral behavior when they know it's immoral isn't "being a toxic person".
He’s no longer plant based. He was never vegan.
I appreciate how much compassion you had in your response Mic, this is productive and reasonable but also engaging! I hope Jon watches (:
Well, Mic showed compassion. Compassion is something jon venus has not shown and is only doing this because of $$$$$. How rank is that.
I feel like you are right, when you talk about diet everyone feels like they’re an expert and has an opinion ...but then you bring a kid into the fact and even more people are experts and have opinions
That’s a good point!
You made great arguments as always. I think the operative word here I hypocrisy. Just say you were pressured by family, money whatever. Just don’t come up with lame and unsubstantiated reasons.
I'm pretty sure Jon is just a liar plain and simple.
@Daniel Welch Right...
Very balanced and fair analysis as usual Mic. Yes I think family pressure most likely too. Thanks for the video.
I've been waiting for Mic's response. Killed it. Love you
You brought up a really interesting point regarding how Jon probably quit due to social pressures. Since I went vegan almost 9 months ago the biggest challenge for me sticking with it has been how my social life has been impacted, i.e. having to bring my own food to gatherings, not being invited to things because a restaurant has no options for me, etc. I think a big part of this is that food service and other aspects of society aren't fully willing to accomodate vegans yet and this may lead to feeling like you occupy a different world from your non-vegan peers. Actually talking about the social challenges that come with being vegan could be a really cool topic for a video. At least I know I'd love to see it.
At some points in human history we ate humans. According to Jon’s logic, this means human flesh is also optimal for our health.
LOL good point
Animals eat other animals, they don’t usually eat their own.
And your diet still kills
it may be healthier than plants...
it may be healthier than plants...
Mic, thank you for your refined ability to observe objectively. Keep it up.
I got bloodwork done, showed low b12, and had to start supplementing with b12 long before I even thought about slowing my consumption of animal products. 🤷♀️ This guy....🙄
Hopefully he changes his mind after watching this :D
He needs a 6 by 2 plot.
Got a vegan ad before this!
You're amazing Mic, thank you for being the voice of reason and not jumping on the hate wagon.
All meat eaters take supplements and have deficiencies. My cousin is the biggest meat eater around and he has low iron and low zinc
All vegans take supplements and have deficiencies. My cousin is the biggest vegan around and he has low iron and low zinc.
Hey love the background ambient music! Keep that in please.
Thanks for your concise opinions :)
There are toxic people in every group. But also if you think meat is murder, yeah you disassociate from someone who chooses to be a murderer
That's what I was thinking. Sure they might have told him they respect his decision but they can't be seen with him due to their image, but that could also just be a non-fault excuse they used to distance themselves because they didn't want to hang out with a hypocrite.
@Paul Wieringa then what is it?
I am choosing to eat a vegan diet, my family does not which means that you just called them murderers. Very interesting. Well I think that you're the toxic type of vegan. I thought the vegan community is all about being kind to everyone and everything, not only animals. Can't help but be a bit disappointed when I read those kind of opinions.
@@holisticachievers oh, I'm not saying that I think it's murder, I'm saying that if you genuinely do believe that it's murder, then you don't associate with a murderer. I've associated with people who have murdered other people, I don't care. But I can see how common vegans would feel that way. You read more into that than was written.
@@holisticachievers well if eating meat is murder, yes, like 99% of population are murderers, if as a child you eat meat you were something like a child murderer
Yes probably family pressure. He already said he loved his family in Norway that is not vegan and who is hunting and that he did not want to be labeled as vegan. That's when his first "I don't care" started from. Then even more pressure from his family as a dad. You end up caving in.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but something seemed to be off with Jon Venus for the past couple of years.
He used to really wear his veganism on his sleeve where he's promote it heavily on his channel. He even did humorous response videos to anti-vegan comments and he really seemed proud to be a vegan.
Then he started to really downplay the veganism and even went so far as to say he preferred to be plant based. Even after he reverse coursed on this his video content was very PC, like he went out of his way not to say anything to controversial; he may as well have no longer been a vegan channel.
I'm not surprised at all he quit veganism considering, it feels like he's been transitioning out of it for a while now.
Spot on Kevin. I think the reality of being vegan didn't fit his circumstances and preferences. Now he's concocting a half-witted smear campaign against veganism and its proponents.
If some of his fellow vegan influencers have made a choice not to hang out with him, or have him in their videos anymore I can understand that. Having a non-vegan in your vegan content could send a mixed message to your followers and when your income depends on it. If your not rich (most vegan TH-camrs aren't) then that could be a big risk.
As far as his friends ditching him, I can kinda get this too. If you believe a person shares your ethics but then they reverse themselves on those ethics and won't give a good argument for WHY they're ignoring the ethics you thought you shared, that can be very confusing and hurtful. Should you kick everyone out of your life who doesn't share your ethics... No probably not, there's only room for growth when there's also room for conflict. However, the feeling of betrayal, anger, and hurt that you may feel in response to a friend's revelation regarding abandoning shared ethics could lead you to make decisions about your friendship that cause a relationship to dissolve.
Basically, I can understand why he's hurt by his friends' reactions. Relationships ending, no matter how or why, is usually really painful and this situation certainly doesn't cast the vegan community in a good light. Still, I'm sure his friends are just as hurt by his decision to not honor the ethics they thought they shared.
Maybe they just didn't want to hang out with an anti-science hypocrite, and it had nothing to do with their "image". Jon and Katrine did a Q and A when their son was born and were asked their opinion on vaccines. They gave a fluff answer implying they didn't vaccinate their child, but now they suddenly care about his health? Katrine also follows (or used to, I unfollowed her ages ago) an anti-vax advocate on instagram. Now Jon is saying peer reviewed studies don't matter or statements from offical health organizations can't be believed because they might have bias? He's so dumb he hardly has two braincells to rub together but he thinks he's enlightened and more intelligent than everyone else because he "thinks a lot about things". He's the definition of a Himbo.
He has proved to be untrustworthy to his friends and when he revealed he was eating eggs, it caused backlash not just to him but also to those he associated with. On the other hand, I can also see how the Violife ambassadors might have been told to break ties with Jon Venus. And if the dollar is more important than the friendship, then I can see how that's hurtful to him.
Couldn't agree more Erica.
I agree with what you say about fellow influencers distancing themselves. That is business and that’s how it works.
I completely disagree with your statement that you find friends ditching him understandable. If you are hurt by another person’s ethical stances, then you are not respecting their boundaries and that means you haven’t been friends in the first place. I am rather puzzled how anyone would be dumb enough to believe someone to be their friend who ditches them based on a dietary decision. Apparently Jon is not convinced of the ethical superiority of a vegan diet, he seems to be scared, maybe confused, maybe pressured, and so that is his reality and a friend respects that by default. Unless you are a pathological narcissist or some other personality disordered individual with an inability to to distinguish the self from others, you are not hurt by a friends personal choices and convictions. I think it is important to stress that to anyone outside of the vegan community, the idea of ditching a friend for not being vegan anymore sounds completely crazy. I believe, Erica, that it is attitudes such as these, the my way or the highway entitlement while operating out of the position of being only a radical minority is what damages the image of veganism massively and sabotaged its progression into mainstream. Would you only be friends with people who share your exact same belief system and if so, how do you think veganism can ever make its way into the mainstream? It is the positive actions, the cooking a really nice vegan meal for a friend, the showing people the game changers, telling about all the good things of being vegan and lead by example that win over people’s minds. Not shaming and harassing people, betraying friends, and the likes. Unless your goal is a violent vegan power grab and ostracizing and incarcerating non-vegans.
Very disappointing but still wish him the best. Incidentally I will be ‘boycotting’ his videos because I simply have no interest in hearing what someone with such unfounded anti-vegan opinions has to say...
I wish he would just say that he wants to eat meat and dairy without trying to back it up with any argument. People around me don't want me to be vegan. I want to fit in with them. How hard is that?
All human beings are pathological rationalizers.
I think you’re bang on about the potential influence from Catherine’s family, it feels like she experienced fear mongering.
Completed a bachelor of medical science. Was told by a professor that the optimal/best diet would be eating other people since you would get all the required macro and micro nutrients required...but we don't do that do we...
this is hilarious 😂 but imagine all that cholesterol in the flesh of a typical westerner
Thanks for posting Mike. We were waiting for you. :-) We can always depend on you to give a sober commentary on issues. I see you mentioned exactly my comment on his channel about if there is some deficiency, that he should tell us so we can be prepared? It doesn't make sense to keep an issue private that can potentially improve the health of tens of thousands of vegans. Doing so appears a bit, disingenuous.
Excellent response! The best one by far. Very concise and I like how you addressed each of his “arguments” with direct answers backed with studies and facts.
Jon has gone full carnitard on Instagram, claiming that he can care about animals whilst devouring their murdered corpses. Yeah, definitely wasn't just a plant based bullshit artist right? Give me a break.
Southy why not?
Southy when blacks were slaves you couldn’t murder them either, was that murder?
Southy at the time it wasn’t, the idea that they could be murdered was widely mocked and dismissed in exactly the same way you dismiss animals being murdered. At the end of the day there is still someone that did nothing wrong and that wants to live being forced into a gas chamber, being shot in the head and having their throat sliced open. Feel free to call it whatever makes you feel better.
Southy yes you use euphemisms for killing, also your analogy is fallacious, “is me going down the road and shooting some random person in the face the same as me shooting a kangaroo on my land to provide food for me and my dog?” That is false equivalence. Try this “is me going down the road and shooting a person to provide food for me and my dog the same as shooting a kangaroo to provide food for me and my dog?” At least that is logically equivalent. The only difference is that laws protect the humans. Kangaroos, cows chickens and pigs are all fair game. You will not be prosecuted for taking the life of the animals. But to that animal, does it value its life any less than the human? Do you have a right to take it when you could easily eat something else? Again either way their is an individual that does not want to die versus your ego, your convenience and your wants. It is very easy to avoid unnecessary harm and you make that choice three times every day. Peace begins on your plate.
Southy just because I destroyed your nonsense you fall back on you can’t tell me what to do. The point is you don’t care about animals and never will, you “love” your dog but that’s it. Everything else can die. I made no assumptions that weren’t true.
I always look forward to your videos; they are so thorough.
I like your point about family pressure. I am a mother of 3 kids; since I do the cooking, my husband and children also eat plant based. But outside of my immediate family unit, my parents and others have given some push back. For instance my mom will almost always offer or put put at least one animal product when we visit, and family dinners are always standard American (/Canadian). My younger sister has made some not quite genuine, almost condescending, comments about my "commitment and dedication to what I believe in". Luckily although my twin sister isn't plant based, she is supportive and has my back when shots get fired lol
I feel you on the family pressures. It is also a point that I hadn't heard suggested in the other videos I had watched on this issue. Thanks Mic
Leo said on his instastory that the WHOLE family except Jon is vegan...so both the brothers , the mother etc are ALL vegan
his wife's family is not, and that's who they were living with
same issue here with me and my ex wifes family.. they constantly tried to question our vegan lifestyle. we have two kids and they constantly tried to force their non vegan beliefs upon our children... its so demoralizing if people aren't respecting your science and love based lifestyle
family can ruin your lifestyle when you have kids even with the support of legal support as the norm isn't vegan yet.
it will be for sure but it simply isn't yet
Personally, he told me it was the farting. His clients just refused to come to his gym anymore...
The social pressure of being vegan is real. Just mention you've thought about "backsliding" and watch all of your carnist friends and family congratulate and encourage you. They can't wait to welcome you back - offering to cook your childhood fave meals or take you to that bbq restaurant.
If you're not vegan for ethical reasons it is tough to resist. The rest is justifications; for either what you know in your heart is wrong or what is right.
Edit, grammar.
Yeah once you internalise the ethics there is no going back.
Sad but true.
General state of humanity.
Thank you for always being a voice of reason while remaining respectful. I appreciate you and all the effort you put into your videos!
Sounds like some weird peer pressure.
Why do people go from vegan to omnivore? What about vegetarian? If you are an ethical vegan and truly are thinking you’re saving your health with animal protein why not become vegetarian?? That’s when my BS meter goes off... who goes from an ethical vegan to eating MEAT? Bizarre.
everything aside, it really bugs me some people think they are somewhat important enough to "coach" others with no actual qualification. just because they post pretty pics on social media and talk whatever on camera.
i've seen myka stauffer drama this week for the first time and ermahgerd, she talks like a child, posts her children and thinks she is doing a -- great service to the humanity -- with her baby voice & clearly unhealthy, immature mindset.
jon is the same. his 'pep talks' were ridiculous. dude, there are a ton of people out there doing a great job about anything you need. you keep lifting those weights and yo-yo dieting. he had sold enough vegan themed shirts I guess, now gotta sell whey bRoteIn powder, cuz b12 tho.
your brother has more legit advice on nutrition (duh he's md at least) also guys like brian turner is better resource for vegan bodybuilding than your look obsessed, vlog themed channel anyway
so go ahead and sell some supplements for your 'family' and become a family channel or something because what else are you doing other than showing off 'how good you have' SMH
Thanks for the response Mic! Was waiting for you to post a response video to Jon Venus' "veganism is cancelled" video. Better late than never right? Appreciate you taking the approach of breaking it down piece by piece (as you always do!) and focusing on the data and critical thinking, rather than just taking digs at him. Also love that you're supporting smaller channels! I've actually been posting videos the last month and a half and am so happy to see there are people in the vegan/plant-based TH-cam community supporting smaller, quality channels
Not later than Derek Simnett or Brian Turner lol, wonder why...
derek has responded in a comment in his latest video
Derek responded in comments on his recent video. I think that's the response we are going to get. Go check it out.
@@SunflowerVegan The Internet is a large place and there are a lot of videos and millions of comments so spill the tea what did he say?
@@kurtsakslsvideosaks9185 he says that he is disappointed and still believes that veganism is the ideal diet, but he'll still be positive/friends with venus in case he ever wants to return to veganism
@@AS-lm2yv just wanted to mention that veganism isn't a diet. Plant based is a diet.
“What we ate to survive in history is not by definition what we must eat to thrive currently” - such a good statement opposing the naturalistic phallacy
Honestly I don't know who he is and I don't care (to quote him). These influencers are doing it to make money. It was clear from the start.
The best things come to those who wait, eh lol "welcome to the party pal" (Die Hard reference)
But in all seriousness i'm so glad you made this video as it was so well-balanced and you stay on the right side of the facts! Speaking from personal experience and almost 3yrs a vegan myself, alot of videos out there criticise the shelf life of a vegan diet is approx. 2 years so i'm due to quit anytime soon...hmmm...but your videos are so helpful and keep me on the right track and you ALWAYS have a great way of explaining it without getting into personal attacks like so many. This is why when I get ask question, I always recommend your channel.
Thanks for this it was a great breakdown.
It's funny because he references so little in the video, and the things he chose to reference were vegan sponsored studies (which I'm not sure is even true) and the judgmental vibe from the vegan community.
1) The meat and dairy industry have been funding & cherry picking studies for years and they are far more guilty of that.
2) I've honestly never felt so judged than when I became vegan 6 years ago. I'm sure there's judgemental ppl on both sides, but I never noticed it when I ate animal products but now that I'm vegan whenever it's brought up (and I avoid it as much as possible because of this) I'm faced with an incredible amount of judgement from mostly uneducated people.
Lastly I don't really see how you can be a fan of someone like this whether you consume animal products or not. The way he went into veganism he boasted about it being for the animals and how he couldn't believe what they were doing to them, then talked about environmental impacts etc. Now none of that seems to matter and he doesn't even come close to giving a convincing point as to why he's going in this direction.
And worse, we all know that now this will be used as a reference to show how you "can't last on a vegan diet." *Despite the fact that tons of people are at that nutritionally speaking you can get everything you need so long as you supplement B12.
I didn't know you were vegan Pavel! Respect not only for your hockey skills now but also for your ethics. Cheers
7 years ago I was diagnosed with RA and told to take meds. Took them for a year and made very little difference. Stopped meds started a vegan diet with B12 and D3 plus zinc in winter. My symptoms are very minor now and I will never eat meat and dairy again. I found through trial and error that most meats and cream caused my joints to flare. Everyone is different but for me plants are my meds 🙏🏽
The stuff about B12 is a lie, it seems like he just wants money. Plus in terms of research, plant based is way better at sourcing B12, it’s just no effort.
he says we’re biased toward pro-vegan research as if we weren’t omnivores for most of our lives and despite all resistance broke out of it
I think that his points about people not talking to him anymore and not wanting to be seen with him in public is good support for the idea that social pressure is what caused him to go back to carnism
And yes, I also think it was mostly social pressure, including from some anti vegans, judging from the "vegan agenda" bs.
He is such a FAKE! And now finding out, he Always Was!
I agree about the family pressure, specially with a kid. I think it could be very difficult to raise a kid in a way with everyone around you telling you that you are hurting your kid. No dad wants to hurt his kid, and maybe he thinks its better to raise him not vegan since he was raise that way and everything went fine with him.
Melisa Sandoval I would have been seriously angry with my parents if I was raised on a vegan diet.
Colleen De koning except it would be for scientific reasons
Has anyone ever took into account that he lives in Norway, and that recently he and his partner were forced to quarantine there in a cabin. He was making snow caves with his son in May. I just watched a friends vlog showing him getting off the plane in Oslo and it was snowing in June. It's warmer now but I just took that into account on why he went back into eating meat be it that it's one of the three arms of relapsing; people, places and things(old habits.)
What I've learned from the ex-plant-based-poser community:
Physically hurting animals and murdering them is ok.
Criticising people on the internet is hurting their feelings and therefore not ok.
I just got a sunburn yesterday and now I'm in a little pain. Your comment about skin cancer from sun exposure was terribly timed 😂😭 Great vid!
You rule! Jon Venus does not.
Toxic
jon never ruled. He has a flaccid personality.
thanks for the explanation, I appreciate your viewpoint
Your being outdoors didn't detract from the quality of the video. Good to see ya getting some vitamin D!
I think Jon Venus is vain about his appearance but insecure about everything else. Bit of a mess going on in his head due to that, methinks. Also, not too smart!
"CEO of Responding Later Than Everybody Else to an Issue" lmao! It's always worth the wait so don't sweat it!
lol @ Franky TofuNO joke!