*Regarding the 10g jar of Gelid Extreme:* it's also possible that what was shipped to you wasn't Gelid Extreme at all. I once bought some Noctua NH-T1 from China because the price (even with shipping) was attractive. When I used it, It wasn't performing as it should have - (I mean, it was off by 5 or 6 degrees!) - so I sent it to Noctua for replacement - (cheaper than sending it back to China). Noctua told me that it was a completely different paste from their NT-H1 (despite being in an exact duplicate of their packaging) and wanted to know where I'd gotten it. It's possible that your eBay seller fell victim to the same scam and (without realizing it) passed it onto you. Anyway, I now only buy thermal paste from authorized dealers.
Personally will continue on using KPx, good experience with it for long time now. Only problem as you mentioned is availability in EU/my country, luckilly Vince was awesome enough to help me organise group order. - ShaggySVK
Right now have KPx on my work laptop CPU and GPU for 14 months (i9 8950HK 6core). Have not noticed much of performance degradation yet, however your mileage may vary. (GPU in laptop is just accelerating stuff, no gaming)
In my opinion, these top of the line thermal paste makes alot of sense in notebooks. If you get better temps, you get higher boost clocks thus better performance. Better temps get you better battery life as the fan doesn't need to ramp up as much. Of course, liquid metal is the best but if frequent reapply is an issue or afraid of short circuit, then yea, thermal paste still make sense. From my experience, the higher the temperature of the CPU, the difference between different thermal paste become more noticeable.
Been using the Gelid GC-Extreme and now having reached the bottom of the jar I do find it more 'dry'. Got a Kryonaut Extreme waiting for the next build. How about a follow up on the 'jar' vs 'tube' GC-Extreme, possibly with samples from widely separated retailers in lets say 6months? Would be interesting to see wether it is a bad batch or possible a change in formula (for the worse)!
I have used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for a lot of applications first with my 3950X and now with my 5950X and each time I have noticed that two to three weeks after applying the TIM my maximum temps went down from the initial values (and yes I did check the ambient temp) by 2-3 degrees Celsius. I use the spreading method for applying the TIM and I have gotten to be pretty consistent with practice. I attribute this to the pumping effect of the heating and cooling squeezing out any excess (not that I put a boatload on the first place i.e. The Verge method, or as I like to call it, the "fap and jizz all over the bloody thing" method), because when I remove the cooler there is a very thin layer of past on the IHS - which I consider to be a good thing. Have you noticed this as well in your testing? If you have, is it similar with the KPx and the Extreme?
I think your explanation is spot on. Der Bauer himself explained this in a GN video. He categorically stated that there is no "curing". It is the pump out effect due to paste getting less viscous on heat load and the pressure of the head spreader. This is another reason that we should check the thermal paste almost every year to ensure that it has not all been pumped out especially with the most expensive pastes that never dries out.
I've been using the regular kryonaut for over a year, switched from artic silver. Noticed about a 2-3c degree difference. Plus it's still holding up well. I'm temp ocd, even have 5 noctua ippc3000's, 4 120mm push/pull on my rad and 1 140mm rear exhaust. Plus two corsair sp120l's as bottom intake and rear top exhaust. It runs a little loud but everything is set to around 50%. Cool is king when it comes to electronics, especially with how complex the new hardware is. Great video, subscribed.
Finally someone who knows his thermal paste! You have covered the best 4 TP on the market in this video, although I have not yet tried the kryonaught extreme. I just used the KPX recently and it's good but thinking about switching back to gelid xtreme or Kryonaught which have always served me well. B4 TG came out the Gelid xtreme is the only paste I would use for several intel generations
I know this is very hard to test, but one of the major concerns for non-extreme use is endurance. There are anecdotal results claiming that Kryonaut only performs well for 1-2 years and tends to degrade in conductivity much faster than other pastes.
Iirc der8auer said thermal paste application, in general should be replaced once a year. Obviously if you are deploying 100s or 1000s of servers in the field that would be more important to longevity instead of overclocking. I would suggest looking at it in this perspective and just replace it some time after a year if your running a high load often through the year.
@@alexandrea4316 I didn't replaced my MX-2 on Pentium E5200 for 5 or 6 years when I ran it after cooler change, temps didn't changed noticeably by this time.
Thanks for your review. I was very surprised that Kryonaut and Kryonaut Extreme have almost no difference. Before this video I was trying to figure out is it have sense to change the Kryonaut to Kryonaut extreme. My setup is the laptop with i79750h - it's kinda hot thing . With previously Mx-4 on it I got 99 C while gaming Minecraft. Applying 1g microtube of Kryonaut drops the heavy load CPU temperature at least 20 Degrees and the lowest temperature I saw was 42 C which is awesome. Before that I never saw the CPU temperature lower than 54. Also I have suspect that my tube of MX-4 was not original . Because MX-4 usually always better then the default thermal grease. But when I changed my factory grease on the laptop I got 99C max instead of 97C Max.
@Stein Mauer too small amount of thermal paste applied can cause that overheating he talked about, like he would be fine if he would use just right or excessive amount(which will not provide any benefit and downside over "just right") , but if one using too small amount of paste then temps are a disaster..
I would go with it I mean your not gonna notice a substantial difference according to the graphs going with KPX however if I was doing a GPU I would go with KPX only because it would keep the die cooler than the Kryonaut. TLDR just buy the Kryonaut I have the non extreme Kryonaut and have been happy with it.
Were you able to confirm if newer GC extreme still perform like your older first purchase? I've found sellers tag them now as "GC3" or "newer version" in 2g tubes in a new package.
KPX apparently is hard to spread/very viscous, more recommended for use in LN2, says apparently it causes temps to rise after awhile of use. Stick with Kryonaut.
I have tried Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and that's pretty good for air and water. I am interested in trying out KPx and GC Extreme. I do find that Kryonaut is expensive here in Australia and the tube sizes are a little small which is why I'm definitely interested in the 30g tube of KPx paste.
@@LuumiJuhani I have to order it from KPC.com but I'd probably get it with some other things from there such as that test bench. I don't think I would have to worry about taxes or customs because customs here doesn't care about small items like thermal paste. They're more interested in valuable things like mobile phones and laptops.
Hey Luumi, swedish viewer and aspiring overclocker here. In one of your videos you mentioned how you clean the IHS with a mixture of you made yourself. Can you please tell me what you use? Thanks
Unfortunately, the difference thermal pastes make, is much smaller - in general - than the difference in mount quality. In order to properly review the pastes several mounts need to be done per paste (clean cooler and CPU, reapply fresh paste, mount, test, record temperature) at the same ambient and load, and the means and standard deviations need to be reported. ~30 mounts per paste is ideal, but maybe not practical. At least 10 would be a good idea. Otherwise you don't know if you are measuring the difference in mount, or the difference in paste.
Came here after watching the Kingpin vs Kryonaut Extreme on Igor's channel. He compared them on a microscopic level even! He found out that they are chemically and visually basically the same under the microscope and i guess they really are super close. Wonder how the normal kryonaut comperes to those 2 and liquid Metal on a GPU where off course it's direct die cooling on a super polished surface. I will probably get the Kingpin or normal Kryonaut depending on what i can find for a better price.
Pode me resumir o que ele disse no vídeo todo? E principalmente, oq me interessa, que é saber se a Kryonaut extreme é melhor que a normal e se ela vale a pena, frente as outras.
Hello, in other channels it is seen how the Kingpin suffers degradation after 6 months and loses much of its dissipation capacity, my question is the thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme at which time it degrades or on the contrary, does not suffer any degradation? 🤔 Thanks
I haven't noticed any issue with my TGK Extreme degrading even over a period of 5 years. It is more expensive for sure, but it definitely last longer than most other pastes I've used.
Lummi I want to thank you for this video. I want to ask you something. Regarding gaming consoles like the Ps4 pro, whats a really good thermal paste regarding the pump out effect talked by Steve from Gamer Nexus and Der8uer. Because of that video I bought IC Diamond since it has a good viscosity and thermals. I would like to hear your opinion about the pump out effect on gaming consoles. Much appreciated.
Luumi, I would like to see you repeat the conditions of this testing ( room ambient, equipment set up etc, etc...) but do it on the Phobya NanoGrease Extreme as it's rated 16.0 W/mk The Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme is 14.2 W/mk and the KingPin Cooling KPx is 13.8 W/mk
Bob Of All Trades made a quick simple video, without delta adjustments. And w/mk rating is useless in real-world testing. th-cam.com/video/_PGFw6D8104/w-d-xo.html
What do you think about fake thermal grizzly pads on amazon. I bought 3 different sizes on amazon and none of them have a certificate of authentication and they are all really bad quality. I made a video on it but will follow up with a better one
Well I have an Alienware 17 r4 and Acer Helios Predator 300 and want to do both I'm in the USA what would you recommend and in advance thanks and great video btw!
Were you able to confirm it was a bad batch? I wanted to order GC-Extreme but seeing from your video its either they change the formula or it was just a fluke mistake.
I generally get Kryonaut... But I can't find where I put it. I was never able to find kingpin without paying loads of shipping from there website so I wasn't going to spend thst much money on it vs the thermal Grizzly. I live in America. Also at the time I wanted to order it, it was also sold out. Now that I need more thermal paste Ill look for kingpin but I doubt anyone is going to be selling it other than his website with large shipping fee's.
I have recently noticed that performance drop at arctic mx5 20 grams seringe. I striped down the seringe sticker and it has a very weird texture inside. It looks like it is not mixed at all. 🤦🏻♂️😳😧 - the 8 gram seringe was ok
which one kryonaut or kryounaut extreme for macbook pro ?? i had tried both of them on my macbook pro, for me kryonaut better than kryonaut extreme, bcs kryounaut extreme has no effect on the temperature on my macbook pro and makes my macbook pro still hot temperature
Noob question, starting to get into the high-end CPUs... What's a good "idle" Temp....? Is it the "AT to ambient" number you mention? I'm getting 35C for my CPU with Kyro Extreme. Is that good?
@LuumiJuhani out of curiosity what would the reason be for choosing the regular and not the extreme. I'm asking because I just bought some kryonot extreme thermal paste for my ps4 pro?
i've been using Arctic MX-4 for a while because of it being a non-conductive non-setting Paste that's cheeeeeeeeeap. but, when it comes time to acquire more Thermal Paste, since things have changed in recent years, i will probably be considering a few of the fancier options like KPX or one of the Thermal Grizzly products that is out there now. for my location it looks like Hydronaut is the practical choice for me, being able to find it for ~$3.50/gram isn't much of a step up from the common stuff that's around ~$2/gram. atm KPX and Kryonaut are both ~$8/gram and that just won't be worth it for me. granted since i already have Conductonaut that might be a bit silly of a line to draw but you get a lot of mileage/applications out of Liquid Metal, haha. but in the future when it comes time to actually buy, is when i'll have to see.
I recommend Gelid GC Extreme, dropped 2-2.5C and 100-200 rpm lower on my RTX 3080 while mining, plus GP Extreme pads dropped mem temps from 100-104C to 88-90C. So heatsink gets more heat from memory and still gpu runs cooler. GPU and GDDR6X oc's better after this mod, which pays for itself in higher hashrate. Very nice stuff.
@@aczech12 i have KPx for now, i was able to get it for ~$3/Gram which is a good enough price to bother upgrading. if your vRAM is still hitting Temps like that after redoing the Cooling, you should consider the Putty and Shim strategy instead, should get another 10-15 reduction on the vRAM.
@@taiiat0 Im fine with 88c on mems while mining, still huge drop from 102 I had before, I need to add more fans into the case then they will drop even more. Copper plates would give much more heat from them into the heatsink and increase gpu temp while gaming, as heatsink is hotter. I want to have a kind of balance in cooling. Kpx and GC Extreme are equal performing, so doesn't make sense in changing. :)
You can reuse thermal paste from extreme overclocking for water testing. Do it all the time with Kingpin KPx. Reuse for LN2 usage is not recommended imho. The less you want is to have TIM cracking due to recycling it.
@@LuumiJuhani no, i meant by there were like some reports of fake GC extreme(in some listing of the 3.5g tubes) and your 10g jar might be 1 of it, sorry for the strange phrasing
@@LuumiJuhani This has actually become a massive issue here in the United States in the past 2 years give or take. Even when considering Amazon, there are less genuine thermal compounds listed than imposter/fake product. If you view Thermal Grizzly thermal compound product listings, check the available sellers ratings page and you be able to see endless customers complaining that the products aren't genuine. This goes for any of the high end compound manufacturers. It's become a serious issue. Thankfully Thermal Grizzly provides a authenticity card where you can verify if it's legit. Yet, sadly most manufacturers don't and the end customer doesn't know until it's too late. If ever. This is a huge problem for compound manufacturers, because it defames their company name.
I’ve notice a lot of the bigger batch’s of thermal paste doesn’t perform as well it seems like 3.5 gram tubes and under are the best to buy and perform far better
I buy the batches for repair work and when I test them they perform exactly the same. The problem is a lot of people buy stuff from eBay or Amazon for the cheaper price and they just get the packaging with a generic paste inside with color agents. But directly from the supplier, as in call them and get what you want, order over the phone with the company themselves. You usually can even get deals if you do that too just by asking. That and you know you'll get the right paste because they send the order to he warehouse directly from their admin system rather than the sites translation manager which can also cause the orders to be skewed as well. I've personally seen translation managers that handle information outputs like that accidentally change numeracla values to the one below what was selected. This completely at random with no intent, just a product of an issue with programming. That's why I go the route of the old timers, a tried and true method that has ALWAYS delivered me desired results and even got me discounts. I always call them and just order it that way because when they just direct input the information it's always correct when the warehouse receives it. Plus like I said it's so easy to just fake the packaging, I've had it happen to me once getting it for a cheaper price on eBay, noctua paste. Called them about it (and sent them the package back to get a new one) and they said they tested it and it's not even their paste, the packaging wasnt even the same when examined side by side, it was highly convincing but it was a fake. The eBay seller was even able to point them to a professional scam company run from India that was faking being Noctua and like 3 other brands, and the guy (eBay seller) legitimately thought they had a contract with Noctua to sell. It's incredible how prominent professional scam companies from India there are, and it sucks because just saying that makes people think you're a racist or something buts because they don't have laws against it and we can't try them at international over it, that they get away with it and are so incentiveised to do it.
@@AdamBrackney Yeah i would use Kryonaut too but the only supplier that used to stock it, stopped. And shipping is kinda crazy rn so its not viable to order online.
I'm a gamer. What paste do you recommend for laptops like helios 300, 2020 with i7 10750H and RTX 2060? The cpu temps spikes up to 92c on my laptop under heavy load such when playing rainbow six siege.
Oh the irony, I also had a tube of GC extreme from 2014, I just used the last of it on a water cooled 2080ti and decided to buy some TG extreme, I wish I had bought some more GC extreme... 🤣
Since everyone say thermal grizzly kryonaut is best I bought one to use with my laptop. After I applied cpu and gpu temps were much lower(~15-20°) but I am facing a problem. After searching on the internet its called thermal paste pump out or sipping out I believe. After 10-15 days temps again go to 90s and I have to repaste again. In 2 months I have repasted 4-5 times🙄. Does anybody know any solution for this ? One thing to note is that when i remove heatsink I see some chunks of thermal paste in the corners or cpu and gpu die and in the middle it looks watery(fluid type)🙄
So, I recently bought the Kryonaut Extreme and had major issues with it clumping up and not spreading. I believe some air got in it but it just kept sticking to itself, and when I went to clean it up it stuck like a piece of gum to the q-tip. It sucks because I wasn’t able to complete my build yesterday because of this. Today after watching this I went out and bought the Kingpin KPX, but now I’m not so sure if I did the right thing. I’m sure it will preform fine, but I’m worried about how it will spread after reading some comments and it’s longevity in the system. I don’t want to be changing it often but I read this can also be an issue with Kryonaut, but I’m just using an AIO and some people seem to believe the Kingpin has great performance for my use case but only short term. Any insight anyone can give me here would be really appreciated
Luumi will I be ok with the Kingpin then? I’ve been reading lots of comments from both sides on these videos and I’m a little confused on if I should just stick with it for my build or switch to regular Kryonaut. Some people say the Kingpin is great, while others say their temps rose compared to Kryonaut or that it will need to be reapplied often since it has a short life span. Some say it doesn’t spread nicely but that could maybe be a bad batch? I’ve only seen it spread nicely in your videos. Is that kind of clumping normal for the Kryonaut Extreme? Tldr; I don’t know if I should keep my Kingpin purchase or switch to Kryonaut
@@Quasar_MB Yes, on ambient they dont have really that much of a difference. The price of Kryo Extreme is high so I only consider it worth it for extreme use.
Just saw the PS5 teardown posted by sony, and they're using liquid metal. Is this smart? I've hesitated because of the upkeep and risk of dmg from chemical reactions.
They have a material dam around it to help prevent runout. If they're confident enough to risk massive RMAs on their shiny new system, losing the new generation's console war, and irreparable damage to their brand image, I'm sure it's fine
*Regarding the 10g jar of Gelid Extreme:* it's also possible that what was shipped to you wasn't Gelid Extreme at all.
I once bought some Noctua NH-T1 from China because the price (even with shipping) was attractive. When I used it, It wasn't performing as it should have - (I mean, it was off by 5 or 6 degrees!) - so I sent it to Noctua for replacement - (cheaper than sending it back to China). Noctua told me that it was a completely different paste from their NT-H1 (despite being in an exact duplicate of their packaging) and wanted to know where I'd gotten it.
It's possible that your eBay seller fell victim to the same scam and (without realizing it) passed it onto you. Anyway, I now only buy thermal paste from authorized dealers.
Excellent, we will continue to use the Gelid GC Extreme it still performs well and the KPx should be tested.
I love the KPX use it on everything I build and repair. Putting on an old fat PS3 tonight!😎
Personally will continue on using KPx, good experience with it for long time now. Only problem as you mentioned is availability in EU/my country, luckilly Vince was awesome enough to help me organise group order. - ShaggySVK
Right now have KPx on my work laptop CPU and GPU for 14 months (i9 8950HK 6core). Have not noticed much of performance degradation yet, however your mileage may vary. (GPU in laptop is just accelerating stuff, no gaming)
In my opinion, these top of the line thermal paste makes alot of sense in notebooks. If you get better temps, you get higher boost clocks thus better performance. Better temps get you better battery life as the fan doesn't need to ramp up as much. Of course, liquid metal is the best but if frequent reapply is an issue or afraid of short circuit, then yea, thermal paste still make sense. From my experience, the higher the temperature of the CPU, the difference between different thermal paste become more noticeable.
I put liquid metal on my lappy :D
Been using the Gelid GC-Extreme and now having reached the bottom of the jar I do find it more 'dry'. Got a Kryonaut Extreme waiting for the next build. How about a follow up on the 'jar' vs 'tube' GC-Extreme, possibly with samples from widely separated retailers in lets say 6months? Would be interesting to see wether it is a bad batch or possible a change in formula (for the worse)!
also worried about this! Oddly, their site also contains "GC3" moniker for these newer packaging models. There are not much info on this too afaik.
I have used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for a lot of applications first with my 3950X and now with my 5950X and each time I have noticed that two to three weeks after applying the TIM my maximum temps went down from the initial values (and yes I did check the ambient temp) by 2-3 degrees Celsius.
I use the spreading method for applying the TIM and I have gotten to be pretty consistent with practice.
I attribute this to the pumping effect of the heating and cooling squeezing out any excess (not that I put a boatload on the first place i.e. The Verge method, or as I like to call it, the "fap and jizz all over the bloody thing" method), because when I remove the cooler there is a very thin layer of past on the IHS - which I consider to be a good thing.
Have you noticed this as well in your testing?
If you have, is it similar with the KPx and the Extreme?
I think your explanation is spot on. Der Bauer himself explained this in a GN video. He categorically stated that there is no "curing". It is the pump out effect due to paste getting less viscous on heat load and the pressure of the head spreader. This is another reason that we should check the thermal paste almost every year to ensure that it has not all been pumped out especially with the most expensive pastes that never dries out.
amazing review so far, you really open my mind
Looking forward to the extreme tests Luumi
No surprise there. GC Extreme is wonderful in terms of price/quality.
I think IC diamond had a couple of bad baches a few years ago when their suppliers supplier shipped the wrong particle size of diamond powder.
thank you for all the testing you conduct!
I've been using the regular kryonaut for over a year, switched from artic silver. Noticed about a 2-3c degree difference. Plus it's still holding up well. I'm temp ocd, even have 5 noctua ippc3000's, 4 120mm push/pull on my rad and 1 140mm rear exhaust. Plus two corsair sp120l's as bottom intake and rear top exhaust. It runs a little loud but everything is set to around 50%. Cool is king when it comes to electronics, especially with how complex the new hardware is. Great video, subscribed.
Build a Temperature controlled room
@@user-jn9dl9px6r woo woo woo, don't give me any ideas lol. No I have it in the basement, so it actually stays pretty cool
Finally someone who knows his thermal paste! You have covered the best 4 TP on the market in this video, although I have not yet tried the kryonaught extreme.
I just used the KPX recently and it's good but thinking about switching back to gelid xtreme or Kryonaught which have always served me well.
B4 TG came out the Gelid xtreme is the only paste I would use for several intel generations
I know this is very hard to test, but one of the major concerns for non-extreme use is endurance. There are anecdotal results claiming that Kryonaut only performs well for 1-2 years and tends to degrade in conductivity much faster than other pastes.
Yes, that is harder thing to test.
Iirc der8auer said thermal paste application, in general should be replaced once a year. Obviously if you are deploying 100s or 1000s of servers in the field that would be more important to longevity instead of overclocking. I would suggest looking at it in this perspective and just replace it some time after a year if your running a high load often through the year.
You should replace the paste after 1 year anyway if you care about keeping temps low. And if you do a lot of benchmarking replace even sooner.
@@alexandrea4316 I didn't replaced my MX-2 on Pentium E5200 for 5 or 6 years when I ran it after cooler change, temps didn't changed noticeably by this time.
Thanks for your review. I was very surprised that Kryonaut and Kryonaut Extreme have almost no difference. Before this video I was trying to figure out is it have sense to change the Kryonaut to Kryonaut extreme. My setup is the laptop with i79750h - it's kinda hot thing . With previously Mx-4 on it I got 99 C while gaming Minecraft. Applying 1g microtube of Kryonaut drops the heavy load CPU temperature at least 20 Degrees and the lowest temperature I saw was 42 C which is awesome. Before that I never saw the CPU temperature lower than 54. Also I have suspect that my tube of MX-4 was not original . Because MX-4 usually always better then the default thermal grease. But when I changed my factory grease on the laptop I got 99C max instead of 97C Max.
Well it is hard to make a very good thermal paste a lot better. The real key of the pink paste is good properties under very cold temperatures.
@Stein Mauer or reassembled the laptop poorly and caused an airflow issue. It's easy enough to do
@Stein Mauer too small amount of thermal paste applied can cause that overheating he talked about, like he would be fine if he would use just right or excessive amount(which will not provide any benefit and downside over "just right") , but if one using too small amount of paste then temps are a disaster..
30:14 yeah only test that worth paying that premium ... or its just premium for just pink color
I decided to try the Kingpin KPX for the first time. Thank you for the video!
Nice one, Luumi! I look forward to the cold results!
so better is the THERMAL GRIZZLY KRYONAUT EXTREME is way better then another ye? my build is i7 8700k 2080 ram 16 looking for good thermal paste
I would go with it I mean your not gonna notice a substantial difference according to the graphs going with KPX however if I was doing a GPU I would go with KPX only because it would keep the die cooler than the Kryonaut. TLDR just buy the Kryonaut I have the non extreme Kryonaut and have been happy with it.
Very helpful video. Appreciate the thoroughness and the subjects comared
Thank you!
Great job Luumi... From Teclab...
God damn you sacrificed your last gc extreme for this video
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Channels like this deserve more attention
Were you able to confirm if newer GC extreme still perform like your older first purchase? I've found sellers tag them now as "GC3" or "newer version" in 2g tubes in a new package.
thx for the review,
untill now I only use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for my laptops,
and maybe im going to try KPX by myself later
KPX apparently is hard to spread/very viscous, more recommended for use in LN2, says apparently it causes temps to rise after awhile of use. Stick with Kryonaut.
Kudos for the title! And also for the tests and the whole video.
Have you ever tested the Cooler master MasterGel Maker? The 11W/m.k version. I've been using it for a few years and always behaved very good.
I have tried Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and that's pretty good for air and water. I am interested in trying out KPx and GC Extreme. I do find that Kryonaut is expensive here in Australia and the tube sizes are a little small which is why I'm definitely interested in the 30g tube of KPx paste.
Can you find KPx from Australia or do you have to buy from KPC.com?
@@LuumiJuhani I have to order it from KPC.com but I'd probably get it with some other things from there such as that test bench. I don't think I would have to worry about taxes or customs because customs here doesn't care about small items like thermal paste. They're more interested in valuable things like mobile phones and laptops.
The most important factor with this tear of thermal paste is how often it cracks under LN2
Can't crack if there is none
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When will you review the Gelid GC-4 ?
Wow didn't know gc extreme was this good, thanks for this
imo it's better than kryonaut, also much cheaper that's why I use it, I guess nothing beats it in it's price range considering performance
Great video! Although it did drag on for a bit too long in the beginning.
Great work! Any reason why you didn't include Noctua NT-H2?
Do you still think Kingpin KPx thermal paste is the best?
KPx or Kryonaut Extreme.
@@LuumiJuhani KPx is cheaper so yeah
Hey Luumi, swedish viewer and aspiring overclocker here. In one of your videos you mentioned how you clean the IHS with a mixture of you made yourself. Can you please tell me what you use? Thanks
It was kpx vs tge I have been wanting to see, thanks for doing this... kpx is like half the price and we get more for the money
what component did you use for the tests????
10900K z490 dark KP.
Unfortunately, the difference thermal pastes make, is much smaller - in general - than the difference in mount quality. In order to properly review the pastes several mounts need to be done per paste (clean cooler and CPU, reapply fresh paste, mount, test, record temperature) at the same ambient and load, and the means and standard deviations need to be reported. ~30 mounts per paste is ideal, but maybe not practical. At least 10 would be a good idea.
Otherwise you don't know if you are measuring the difference in mount, or the difference in paste.
What is overall ranking for daily use on pricing of all thermal pastes? To get the best perform for what you pay.
I wanted to see how mx still today compared to this paste you show here
mx4 will often give you better temps as it spreads much better. those test are mosten yadiyada.
Keep
Not true there are few that will give you lower temp but pref to cost mx4 is on top
What is the best Thermal paste for nitrogen clocking ??? i think a Grizzly is very good one and Gelid what you think Luumi ?
KPx or the kryo extreme pink paste. The pink is slightly better crack wise in my experience, the KPx has a bit better thermal conducitivity.
Came here after watching the Kingpin vs Kryonaut Extreme on Igor's channel. He compared them on a microscopic level even! He found out that they are chemically and visually basically the same under the microscope and i guess they really are super close. Wonder how the normal kryonaut comperes to those 2 and liquid Metal on a GPU where off course it's direct die cooling on a super polished surface.
I will probably get the Kingpin or normal Kryonaut depending on what i can find for a better price.
Hi from Brazil :) Great video Luumi !!!
Pode me resumir o que ele disse no vídeo todo? E principalmente, oq me interessa, que é saber se a Kryonaut extreme é melhor que a normal e se ela vale a pena, frente as outras.
Hello, in other channels it is seen how the Kingpin suffers degradation after 6 months and loses much of its dissipation capacity, my question is the thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme at which time it degrades or on the contrary, does not suffer any degradation? 🤔 Thanks
I haven't noticed any issue with my TGK Extreme degrading even over a period of 5 years. It is more expensive for sure, but it definitely last longer than most other pastes I've used.
What one would be better with a I9 10850k?
Lummi I want to thank you for this video. I want to ask you something. Regarding gaming consoles like the Ps4 pro, whats a really good thermal paste regarding the pump out effect talked by Steve from Gamer Nexus and Der8uer. Because of that video I bought IC Diamond since it has a good viscosity and thermals. I would like to hear your opinion about the pump out effect on gaming consoles. Much appreciated.
Try kingpin cooling kpx, it is quite runny paste.
Awesome rad! Thanks for the testing!
Luumi, I would like to see you repeat the conditions of this testing ( room ambient, equipment set up etc, etc...) but do it on the Phobya NanoGrease Extreme as it's rated 16.0 W/mk The Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme is 14.2 W/mk and the KingPin Cooling KPx is 13.8 W/mk
Bob Of All Trades made a quick simple video, without delta adjustments. And w/mk rating is useless in real-world testing.
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not really worth it since that paste is hard to find online.
What do you think about fake thermal grizzly pads on amazon. I bought 3 different sizes on amazon and none of them have a certificate of authentication and they are all really bad quality. I made a video on it but will follow up with a better one
You may try use our thermal Silver Grease - Impalstec... Can you ?
Do these new kryonaut extreme still suffer from the pump out effect similar to the regular kryonaut
theyre pretty much all identical in perf. I gues the tie breaker would be price?
Can you also make a high end thermal pad comparison video?
Well I have an Alienware 17 r4 and Acer Helios Predator 300 and want to do both I'm in the USA what would you recommend and in advance thanks and great video btw!
Helios 300 owner here. Which one did you go with?
@@ass5kickin what did you pick?
@@poor_youtuber1390 I'm currently on MX-4 which is hopelessly mediocre.
Do you think thermal grizzly kryonaut is too thin of a viscosity to use in a laptop?
Were you able to confirm it was a bad batch? I wanted to order GC-Extreme but seeing from your video its either they change the formula or it was just a fluke mistake.
Yes look at the 3.5g tube result. Also watch my update on the GC Extreme as I made a video of the new batch.
I generally get Kryonaut... But I can't find where I put it. I was never able to find kingpin without paying loads of shipping from there website so I wasn't going to spend thst much money on it vs the thermal Grizzly. I live in America. Also at the time I wanted to order it, it was also sold out. Now that I need more thermal paste Ill look for kingpin but I doubt anyone is going to be selling it other than his website with large shipping fee's.
And... I found and ordered it on Amazon. Was $12 usd with prime 2 day shipping for 3g via ppc
Luumi sir,
Would it be possible to test the pastes under single stage or cascade?
Single stage or cascade? What does that even mean?
I heard that the Kryonaut is bad when it reaches around 80C, it drys up and such. So is the new ver the Kryonaut Extreme any better?
Could be, I had some issues with kryonaut on top of delidded CPU Die on water.
I have recently noticed that performance drop at arctic mx5 20 grams seringe. I striped down the seringe sticker and it has a very weird texture inside. It looks like it is not mixed at all. 🤦🏻♂️😳😧 - the 8 gram seringe was ok
which one kryonaut or kryounaut extreme for macbook pro ?? i had tried both of them on my macbook pro, for me kryonaut better than kryonaut extreme, bcs kryounaut extreme has no effect on the temperature on my macbook pro and makes my macbook pro still hot temperature
Any of those pastes is fine for your use.
Maybe it would help to stir and mix-up the thermal paste that came in a jar. Thermal paste is kind of like paint. If in a jar mixing first might help.
Noob question, starting to get into the high-end CPUs... What's a good "idle" Temp....? Is it the "AT to ambient" number you mention?
I'm getting 35C for my CPU with Kyro Extreme. Is that good?
My computer typically idles at 29c and I'm currently using XTM70
How about Thermagic zf-ex ? I have just saw the review from another youtube channel. The result does not bad at all.
Will be uploaded soon.
Which do you recommend for ps4(slim and pro) Grizzly Kryonaut or Kryonaut Extreme ?
Normal kryonaut.
@LuumiJuhani out of curiosity what would the reason be for choosing the regular and not the extreme. I'm asking because I just bought some kryonot extreme thermal paste for my ps4 pro?
Lol 5 years without removing case panel;p mine would be everyday for 10 years;) X58 clan;) Cheers for detailed Vid Luumz!
Is Prolimatech PK-3 as good as these thermal pastes?
It is on-par or even better, but is almost impossible to find nowadays.
Can't find Gelid for sale anywhere except Amazon... might be going out of business?
i've been using Arctic MX-4 for a while because of it being a non-conductive non-setting Paste that's cheeeeeeeeeap.
but, when it comes time to acquire more Thermal Paste, since things have changed in recent years, i will probably be considering a few of the fancier options like KPX or one of the Thermal Grizzly products that is out there now.
for my location it looks like Hydronaut is the practical choice for me, being able to find it for ~$3.50/gram isn't much of a step up from the common stuff that's around ~$2/gram.
atm KPX and Kryonaut are both ~$8/gram and that just won't be worth it for me. granted since i already have Conductonaut that might be a bit silly of a line to draw but you get a lot of mileage/applications out of Liquid Metal, haha.
but in the future when it comes time to actually buy, is when i'll have to see.
I recommend Gelid GC Extreme, dropped 2-2.5C and 100-200 rpm lower on my RTX 3080 while mining, plus GP Extreme pads dropped mem temps from 100-104C to 88-90C. So heatsink gets more heat from memory and still gpu runs cooler. GPU and GDDR6X oc's better after this mod, which pays for itself in higher hashrate. Very nice stuff.
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i have KPx for now, i was able to get it for ~$3/Gram which is a good enough price to bother upgrading.
if your vRAM is still hitting Temps like that after redoing the Cooling, you should consider the Putty and Shim strategy instead, should get another 10-15 reduction on the vRAM.
@@taiiat0 Im fine with 88c on mems while mining, still huge drop from 102 I had before, I need to add more fans into the case then they will drop even more. Copper plates would give much more heat from them into the heatsink and increase gpu temp while gaming, as heatsink is hotter. I want to have a kind of balance in cooling. Kpx and GC Extreme are equal performing, so doesn't make sense in changing. :)
I'm still stuck between gelid, regular krynoaut and KPx, any preformance based advice
All of those will be fine.
Pick the coolest box
Would have loved to see Conductonaut in the chart for comparison in ambient temperature for daily use and see how it compares.
Not for this one, this is all about conventional thermal pastes.
Is it possible to reuse some thermal paste for extreme overclocking?
You can reuse thermal paste from extreme overclocking for water testing. Do it all the time with Kingpin KPx. Reuse for LN2 usage is not recommended imho. The less you want is to have TIM cracking due to recycling it.
Why was Gelid so close despite having a much lower rating of 8.5 W/mK?
What about Alphacool Subzero Thermal grease??? On paper it have Thermal Conductivity rating of 16W/mK?!?!?!?!
I have it over a here, need to compare it.
as of 2024, there is a $22 USD option in amazon that is 2 grams (that you mentioned)
thx for this review. really helped to decide.
Thank you, that is what these are for.
Arctic MX 5 or Kryonaut extreme ?
why did my Dell laptop temp rise from 82 degrees max to 96 degrees max with the regular kryonaut paste????
Can you please test "Alphacool Subzero Thermal Grease", they claim to be non electrical conductive and 16W/mK.
I could try yeah.
Is it real? kingpin kpx better than Grizzly Kryonaut?
Yes but in this kind of test pretty much identical
Have you seen any significant difference between using liquid metal and thermal paste?
I appreciate your effort, but I heard that TH-cam ranks your videos lower if you got primarily links to 3rd party sites in the description
could the 10g gc extreme be fake, i have heard some issues about that
No idea, this is the 2nd time ever I had the 10g jar of it. Definitely buy the 3.5g tubes if you buy GC Extreme.
@@LuumiJuhani no, i meant by there were like some reports of fake GC extreme(in some listing of the 3.5g tubes) and your 10g jar might be 1 of it, sorry for the strange phrasing
@@krazybonnie5523 Possible if you buy the stuff from China, but this is from real retail channels here in Finland.
@@LuumiJuhani ah, i see
@@LuumiJuhani This has actually become a massive issue here in the United States in the past 2 years give or take. Even when considering Amazon, there are less genuine thermal compounds listed than imposter/fake product. If you view Thermal Grizzly thermal compound product listings, check the available sellers ratings page and you be able to see endless customers complaining that the products aren't genuine. This goes for any of the high end compound manufacturers. It's become a serious issue.
Thankfully Thermal Grizzly provides a authenticity card where you can verify if it's legit. Yet, sadly most manufacturers don't and the end customer doesn't know until it's too late. If ever. This is a huge problem for compound manufacturers, because it defames their company name.
What cpu cooler did you use to cool the 10900k in this test?
Custom water cooling loop.
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is Kryonaut Extreme good for air cooled CPU ? or is it only for liquid cooled system i really need to know please !
Same difference
I’ve notice a lot of the bigger batch’s of thermal paste doesn’t perform as well it seems like 3.5 gram tubes and under are the best to buy and perform far better
I buy the batches for repair work and when I test them they perform exactly the same. The problem is a lot of people buy stuff from eBay or Amazon for the cheaper price and they just get the packaging with a generic paste inside with color agents. But directly from the supplier, as in call them and get what you want, order over the phone with the company themselves. You usually can even get deals if you do that too just by asking. That and you know you'll get the right paste because they send the order to he warehouse directly from their admin system rather than the sites translation manager which can also cause the orders to be skewed as well. I've personally seen translation managers that handle information outputs like that accidentally change numeracla values to the one below what was selected. This completely at random with no intent, just a product of an issue with programming. That's why I go the route of the old timers, a tried and true method that has ALWAYS delivered me desired results and even got me discounts. I always call them and just order it that way because when they just direct input the information it's always correct when the warehouse receives it. Plus like I said it's so easy to just fake the packaging, I've had it happen to me once getting it for a cheaper price on eBay, noctua paste. Called them about it (and sent them the package back to get a new one) and they said they tested it and it's not even their paste, the packaging wasnt even the same when examined side by side, it was highly convincing but it was a fake. The eBay seller was even able to point them to a professional scam company run from India that was faking being Noctua and like 3 other brands, and the guy (eBay seller) legitimately thought they had a contract with Noctua to sell. It's incredible how prominent professional scam companies from India there are, and it sucks because just saying that makes people think you're a racist or something buts because they don't have laws against it and we can't try them at international over it, that they get away with it and are so incentiveised to do it.
Would you recommend gc extreme for my vega 64? Im having problems with pump out with other pastes.
Try it, but buy the 3.5g size tube.
@@LuumiJuhani Yeah im gonna get a morpheus ii and use gc extreme, hopefully it lasts longer. NT-H1 pumped out in like 2 weeks.
I use Kryonaut on my Vega 64, no issues for daily use at 600-800 watt for over a year.
@@AdamBrackney Yeah i would use Kryonaut too but the only supplier that used to stock it, stopped. And shipping is kinda crazy rn so its not viable to order online.
@@DarkoPetreski That sucks!
Good video, saved me 10€ and I got 100% more thermal paste :)
Thanks bro that’s helping a lot good vid.
So basically Kingpin is better than Kryonaut?
Was a fraction better in my test but doesn't matter for normal use that kind of difference.
I'm a gamer. What paste do you recommend for laptops like helios 300, 2020 with i7 10750H and RTX 2060? The cpu temps spikes up to 92c on my laptop under heavy load such when playing rainbow six siege.
Oh the irony, I also had a tube of GC extreme from 2014, I just used the last of it on a water cooled 2080ti and decided to buy some TG extreme, I wish I had bought some more GC extreme... 🤣
how does the newer GC extreme perform? Is it confirmed that he just got a bad batch?
Great video Luumi !!!
Since everyone say thermal grizzly kryonaut is best I bought one to use with my laptop. After I applied cpu and gpu temps were much lower(~15-20°) but I am facing a problem. After searching on the internet its called thermal paste pump out or sipping out I believe. After 10-15 days temps again go to 90s and I have to repaste again. In 2 months I have repasted 4-5 times🙄. Does anybody know any solution for this ? One thing to note is that when i remove heatsink I see some chunks of thermal paste in the corners or cpu and gpu die and in the middle it looks watery(fluid type)🙄
So, I recently bought the Kryonaut Extreme and had major issues with it clumping up and not spreading. I believe some air got in it but it just kept sticking to itself, and when I went to clean it up it stuck like a piece of gum to the q-tip. It sucks because I wasn’t able to complete my build yesterday because of this. Today after watching this I went out and bought the Kingpin KPX, but now I’m not so sure if I did the right thing. I’m sure it will preform fine, but I’m worried about how it will spread after reading some comments and it’s longevity in the system. I don’t want to be changing it often but I read this can also be an issue with Kryonaut, but I’m just using an AIO and some people seem to believe the Kingpin has great performance for my use case but only short term. Any insight anyone can give me here would be really appreciated
Kryo extreme is only for LN2 use really. Not really worth it for air or water cooled system.
Luumi will I be ok with the Kingpin then? I’ve been reading lots of comments from both sides on these videos and I’m a little confused on if I should just stick with it for my build or switch to regular Kryonaut. Some people say the Kingpin is great, while others say their temps rose compared to Kryonaut or that it will need to be reapplied often since it has a short life span. Some say it doesn’t spread nicely but that could maybe be a bad batch? I’ve only seen it spread nicely in your videos. Is that kind of clumping normal for the Kryonaut Extreme?
Tldr; I don’t know if I should keep my Kingpin purchase or switch to Kryonaut
@@Quasar_MB Yes, on ambient they dont have really that much of a difference. The price of Kryo Extreme is high so I only consider it worth it for extreme use.
Get a cup of very hot water and submerge the sealed syringe in the hot water for 10 minutes or so before applying!
Just saw the PS5 teardown posted by sony, and they're using liquid metal. Is this smart? I've hesitated because of the upkeep and risk of dmg from chemical reactions.
They have a material dam around it to help prevent runout. If they're confident enough to risk massive RMAs on their shiny new system, losing the new generation's console war, and irreparable damage to their brand image, I'm sure it's fine
Very detailed, great content.
Thank you! I would appreciate sharing !
Maybe Gelid changed the specs in 5 years, and now it's not as good? maybe you need to/should have bought a new 3.5g tube of it?
how about a comparison on LN2 ...? it will be super interesting. I think you can draw interesting conclusions. thank! Ivan aka kim55
Most reliable way is full pot test than comparing at something like -120c.