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  • @MBTYuGiOh
    @MBTYuGiOh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Cope, seethe, mald.

    • @KyunaCookies
      @KyunaCookies 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Witness as true Draco wins yet another MBT

    • @darkmagicianfan3423
      @darkmagicianfan3423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All I know what to do anymore is summon fibrax, it's been so long. I don't know what yugioh is anymore. The other day, I drew Veiler and tried to normal summon it. In Plant format. Everything has become fibrax to me. There are no other monsters, no spells other than tuning. The only trap i know how to activate is conquistador. Occasionally I add back a card with barricadeborg, and I cry a little. I attack for game but wish I was being gamed instead. It's become a joke of sorts, or maybe it's just my life. I can't go anywhere without seeing auroradon combos. I went to feed my dog the other night, but instead of eating she turned into a link 1 and summoned 2 tokens that can't be used for a link summon that turn. I had to put her down. I sit in the corner now counting down the days, the days where we shall see sweet release from this torment, the day when synchro summoning was about 2 monsters having a special bond and creating something beautiful. Those days are long gone. I have seen God, and I have seen the devil, but they are one and the same. I stared into the abyss and screamed, and it screamed back: "summon linkross effect”

    • @LostEndgame
      @LostEndgame 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KyunaCookies spoilers: it didn't

    • @KyunaCookies
      @KyunaCookies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LostEndgame oh god I can't wait, no spoil.
      I'm guessing maybe uh
      Despia

  • @TrevorAllenMD
    @TrevorAllenMD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1603

    This is actually Farfa’s confession he’s been a member of the Ghostrick community all along.

    • @Caleb-zl4wk
      @Caleb-zl4wk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ikr

    • @canirunitDOTio
      @canirunitDOTio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Either ghostrick community member or altergeist fan club member 🤔

    • @heulg.darian2536
      @heulg.darian2536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      one of us, one of us

    • @amangill1752
      @amangill1752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The Genex gang

    • @TheoJay615
      @TheoJay615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought the Altergeist fans hated MBT too lol

  • @captainchaos5705
    @captainchaos5705 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1147

    "are you trying to bring it back just for the sake of bringing it back?"
    Yes. That is precisely the point. What is the maximum number of things we can bring back without destroying Yu-Gi-Oh
    Also something I've noticed with MBTs banlist is that he unbans pieces going "well this thing alone doesn't break them" and then he does the same thing for the other pieces so it is busted

    • @Supergupo
      @Supergupo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      (Looks at Djinn) "This alone doesn't break Drytron"
      Proceeds to unban Eva.

    • @youngdoodle
      @youngdoodle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Supergupo herald build is way better than including djinn anyway

    • @suezuccati304
      @suezuccati304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@youngdoodle yeah, Drytron doesn't really synergizes with Djinn but it's terrible for future proofing

    • @lorenzolombardi3369
      @lorenzolombardi3369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Procedes to unban master peace that ruined all of his tournaments. Way to go.

    • @flogos989
      @flogos989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lorenzolombardi3369 dragon ruler lost round one 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @WhiteWolfRQ
    @WhiteWolfRQ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +783

    “Are you bringing back Victory Dragon just for the sake of bringing it back?” Yes Farfa, that is the entire point of the Moron Banlist Tournament.

    • @jonatassilva2605
      @jonatassilva2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      A shame, because it used to be better, a thought out list of cards that could come back....now is indeed just 'cause.

    • @geiseric222
      @geiseric222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jonatassilva2605 yeah I will agree, bringing back cards you know are only there for technical reasons rather than playability is pointless for an online tourney

    • @TheSaicoKiller
      @TheSaicoKiller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Previous Moron Banlists were more thoughtful because they were made with the idea of actually releasing cards that don't need to be there. Last time MBT said himself that now that he has done that, the goal is just to release as many cards as possible, basically for the sake of it. If you want a more thoughtful Moron Banlist, watch previous videos where he did that. No point making the same video over and over again

    • @geiseric222
      @geiseric222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheSaicoKiller eh this is a bit silly as the meta changes and cards will interact with them differentky

    • @TheSaicoKiller
      @TheSaicoKiller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@geiseric222 A the point is to be silly B yes but realistically there has been little cards that changed because the cards he originally picked are just bad. There are exceptions like Time Seal, which sucks, might not suck as much since Labrynth is a thing. Surely he could make another more serious one but refer to point A

  • @ryancondon2246
    @ryancondon2246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +976

    FARFA the point isn't to make the game more fun the whole thing is "how many cards can I take off before the game is destroyed"

    • @prosamis
      @prosamis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      This, lmao

    • @exzyyd392
      @exzyyd392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

      >Starts with Victory Dragon

    • @ryancondon2246
      @ryancondon2246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ALSO im raging that they banned verte that was my whole joke, makeVerte :(

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      The question isn't "Is this good?", it's "Did Icarus really go high enough?"

    • @lilgrabbo6142
      @lilgrabbo6142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I get the critique of master peace, that is a clearly broken piece he should know from his other mad science experiments

  • @galesturms
    @galesturms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Just like watching this when it happened on stream, no one can tell if Farfa understood the bit for about half the video.

  • @WinterGray8888
    @WinterGray8888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +375

    The thing I think he’s misrepresenting here is that MBT has to hit a quota, he doesn’t genuinely think these cards should come off but he’s saying that if you have to un ban 90 cards then these are the least bad

    • @pmrobin8
      @pmrobin8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@alexYu-gi-oh he literally put them all to three tho

    • @TheMatt_SD
      @TheMatt_SD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@alexYu-gi-oh He put the Exodia pieces to 3, though? They're on the last slide of cards to unlimit

    • @WinterGray8888
      @WinterGray8888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMatt_SD yeah, he did.

    • @Unknownz000
      @Unknownz000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@pmrobin8 well yeah. What does putting every banned card to 1 even do? You get staples but that really all it is. It'd just be already existing decks running these one of staples and nothing else. When u unban cards to 3 then you introduce more decks that can be played so it's actually entertaining rather than watching normal yugioh with a strong card every now and then.

    • @alexandruandros1271
      @alexandruandros1271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Unknownz000 what does putting every card to 1 do? Uh you get trad format

  • @LazyLee
    @LazyLee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    farfa doesn't understand that fun is irrelevant
    it's about causing as much suffering as possible

    • @maltenuchter7134
      @maltenuchter7134 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats why its called the MASOCHIST banlist after all.

    • @thegwallitn5337
      @thegwallitn5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      i find causing suffering to be fun :)

    • @GzzGtu20
      @GzzGtu20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *THE PLEASURE OF PAIN*

    • @Machiroable
      @Machiroable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Farfa is really hufing on that copium implying current YGO is fun even with all these cards banned, especially because most of the overpowered getting banned are a must of in rogue decks.

    • @maxh7085
      @maxh7085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      One man's pleasure is another man's suffering.

  • @UniGya
    @UniGya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +298

    I thought Joseph was pretty open about how this one and the previous banlist "prediction" lists were about seeing how much you could take off the list without actually changing what the best decks are, not making the game more fun. Like no shit this list sucks ass, he's not actually advocating we do this

    • @saif19845
      @saif19845 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @UC3y55kzpWt7Jty6PTP4SriA still a dumb concept

    • @theauberman
      @theauberman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He even calls it "The Masochist Banlist"

    • @Meanlucario
      @Meanlucario 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Saying that Konami could unban these cards today and it wouldn't change anything implies otherwise.

    • @UniGya
      @UniGya 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Meanlucario by “it wouldn’t change anything” he meant “the current best decks would remain the best decks,” not that the game would be complete unaffected

    • @Meanlucario
      @Meanlucario 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@UniGya He says as True Draco, Syncrons. and the latest tournament says otherwise.

  • @Haruhater
    @Haruhater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    Farfa and MBT need to duel now with all the strats they can think of.

    • @bl00by_
      @bl00by_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Farfa only knows 6 decks: Evilswarm, Infernity, BA, Ignister, Adamanciptaor and Draco Pals. So it's going to be alittle hard.

    • @BagMakingBagmaker
      @BagMakingBagmaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bl00by_ I have definitely seen him use more

    • @saif19845
      @saif19845 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bl00by_ I have seen farfa play infernoids and ligthsworn grass

    • @GrugGangGrugGang
      @GrugGangGrugGang 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saif19845 Have you seen him play them well?

  • @squidge477
    @squidge477 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    "Flip it over and summon and ftk and also extended."
    Truly a legend

    • @DallySkyeAnims
      @DallySkyeAnims ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was obviously referring to extending the handshake for such an amazing match. :)

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 ปีที่แล้ว

      The card does read "you have infinite normal summons per turn", and can explicitly be used during your opponent's battle phase to normal summon any number of monsters. Are we pretending that special summons aren't good specifically because you can do as many as you want per turn?

    • @agushernandezquiroga9064
      @agushernandezquiroga9064 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@dontmisunderstand6041 The problem is that since it's a trap card, the earliest you could use it is during your opponents battle phase, and at that point it's definitely going to get either destroyed or negated.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@agushernandezquiroga9064 Baiting a negate sounds good enough to make it in a deck to me.

    • @agushernandezquiroga9064
      @agushernandezquiroga9064 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 I mean, if baiting a negate or destruction on a card that can only be activated in the battle phase is good enough, might as well be playing Drowning Mirror Force. Mass, non-targetting, banishing removal for no cost or need to have normal summonable monsters in hand to activate and is searchable with trap trick. But nobody plays it because the opponents battle phase is too late to activate trap cards.

  • @menekenkack
    @menekenkack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Danny in chat: "I love this tournament for the reactions" while Farfa is losing his mind over the banlist

  • @mekklord
    @mekklord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    MBT: "Here's a list of cards that could come off and not make all that much of a ruckus. It's not a wish list - just a list to test my own, admittedly degenerate format."
    Farfa: "WOAH I CANT BELIEVE MBT WANTS ALL THESE CARDS BACK IN THE GAME"

    • @Mani-en9lw
      @Mani-en9lw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think i saw you in duel links Reddit

  • @Farfa
    @Farfa  2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Guys it's just a joke relax lmao, no we don't have beef.

    • @user-cs6me3tv7i
      @user-cs6me3tv7i 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is justa joke why hab to be mad?

    • @Hempujonsito
      @Hempujonsito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Too late I'm already seething, boiling, malding and coping even

    • @crusaddy982
      @crusaddy982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When the copium needs to huff copium to keep up

    • @dougla517
      @dougla517 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm still seething with rage. How dare.

  • @TheWitchBoi
    @TheWitchBoi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Damn Farfa just going through his Joker Arc rn.

  • @TheFourthBlackReaper
    @TheFourthBlackReaper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    Farfa. This is not a wish list. MBT does not want these cards unbanned to make the game better.
    It’s to challenge Konami into being more open to removing cards from the ban list that do not need to be there.
    Should Victory Dragon stay banned? Yes.
    Should cards like Trap Dustshoot, an ancient ban that was situational at best in its hayday of 20,000 years ago, stay banned? No.
    That’s the point he’s trying to make.
    It’s just a silly idea to have some fun with a wacky ban list for a tournament to goof on Konami.

    • @fukou_da
      @fukou_da 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah but his reasoning is still bad

    • @Machiroable
      @Machiroable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@fukou_da Yeah, but in practice said cards aren't broken anymore or only broken in pretty specific situations.

    • @fukou_da
      @fukou_da 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Machiroable It's still pretty silly to say something like "making Verte is better than activating Fusion Destiny from the hand"

    • @spacepsycat
      @spacepsycat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are a big fucking dumb dumb just as MBT. He is not trying to make a point, he is just an "entertainer" doing "entertaining" things for his stupid audience.

    • @firstnamelastname7587
      @firstnamelastname7587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fukou_da Which is more likely to happen in a game, you summon 2 monsters? Or you hard draw FD? I'm pretty sure that was his point and not literally that if you have FD in hand already you should make verte instead cause thats better.

  • @DuncanHarbison
    @DuncanHarbison 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    5:35 - none of your fingers have effects that activate in the graveyard.

  • @effluxi9587
    @effluxi9587 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    lmao farfa really channeling his viewer's intelligence and reading comprehension for today's video

  • @nethius100
    @nethius100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The sad part is that MBT only gave like a day and a half for people to make decks with this list before submissions closed so probably no one got time to make things genuinely spicy

    • @DuskoftheTwilight
      @DuskoftheTwilight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yea that's the real flaw with these banlists. Ideally he'd give at least a week or so for people to lab stuff

  • @lagxus7445
    @lagxus7445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Here we see three diferent Views of the game:
    Farfa - priorizing fun
    MBT- Prefers varieties of stratrgies instead of fun
    Konami: MONEY GOES BRRR

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      MBT - Prefers chaos

    • @fosterdawson7339
      @fosterdawson7339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ashikjaman1940 theduellogs: gimmick decks and Akiza memes

  • @glover683
    @glover683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Feel like Farfa is kinda missing the point of the video

    • @Marqrk
      @Marqrk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I think he believes (or chat told him) that this was MBT’s genuine banlist prediction/wishlist rather than a challenge to god to smite him for his hubris

    • @LilyApus
      @LilyApus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      doesn't he usually miss the point?

  • @bl00by_
    @bl00by_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I like how farfa either doesn't understand MBT's unban series or understands it but malds about it anyway just because he wants to.

    • @ZelniteMH
      @ZelniteMH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He knows but the "rage" clickbait is ez content for him.

    • @bl00by_
      @bl00by_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ZelniteMH Imagine you're so desperate for clicks that you have to do something like this, meanwhile most other yugitubers put out quality content.

  • @Pyrrha_Nikos
    @Pyrrha_Nikos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is how the endless conga line of content starts this year. I can't wait for Joseph's response and then Farfa's reponse to that and so on

    • @AstralPhnx
      @AstralPhnx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oroboros once again

  • @Boristien405
    @Boristien405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    16:00 Verte is literally better. It dodges the most commonly played card in the game, Ash Blossom. The point is that with Verte, every hand can get to FD. Without Verte, you have to hard draw FD.
    Remember, FD as a spell takes a card out of your hand while Verte can just send from Deck and randomly dodges things like Crossout/Prohibition too.

    • @Cassapphic
      @Cassapphic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The power of verte is any two monsters do it, in most cases you've already checked for ash before hard activating FD unless your hand is bad and you were gonna do DPE pass or something.

    • @blinktwice296
      @blinktwice296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s really not, if your opponent saved an Ash for the final play then they already lost lol

    • @andreamarini9940
      @andreamarini9940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But if you ban FD, guess what happens, you can't neither hard draw it, nor use It with verte. But i guess It doesn't matter because verte Is now banned anyway, but still

    • @Boristien405
      @Boristien405 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blinktwice296 One month later, guess I was right. Nobody except HERO is playing DPE after Verte got banned and Ash is still the most popular handtrap.
      Decks are now much more diverse now. Obviously there's still problems but we have Despia, Swordsoul, Flundereeze, Therion PUNK, Dragon Link, etc. as the top decks. Verte was "the problem" of the package.

    • @blinktwice296
      @blinktwice296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Boristien405 ngl idk what I was on with that comment lol. I feel like I always knew Verte was the problem, but maybe it’s cause I was salty that so many people in the past did hard draw FD against me despise me negating Verte lol

  • @melchior0184
    @melchior0184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Imma search Change of Heart with Alembertian and nobody can stop me
    2:47 Laplacian: "maniacal laughter"

  • @hyperion1644
    @hyperion1644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Its actually puzzling to me how engage is at 1 but harp horror is still banned

    • @Rastaboulotte
      @Rastaboulotte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You wan't to Engage! banned? I can support that.

    • @Tanka036
      @Tanka036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the logic is, Harp at 1 is Harp at 7 for Orcust due to Girsu and Scars. Where as Engage is maybe at 2 on any specific turn. I would love to be able to have Harp Horror back just because the deck really hurts without it, but that might be the logic.

    • @hyperion1644
      @hyperion1644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tanka036 i know what you mean but yeah the deck is really crippled still

    • @hyperion1644
      @hyperion1644 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rastaboulotte not that but want one horror

    • @Tanka036
      @Tanka036 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hyperion1644 true, I want to play Orcust as well, gonna buy max rarity and cope/wait for horror back

  • @austinnowak5414
    @austinnowak5414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The point of the Moron Banlist Tournament is too unban as many cards as possible. It's not about fun

  • @TwistedBOLT
    @TwistedBOLT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    "The masochist banlist"
    Farfa: How is this fun?!?!?!??
    Sorry dude but you need a big wooosh for the video as the entire point of this series kinda went over your head.

    • @saif19845
      @saif19845 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The idea is stupid itself since it’s not accurate this format is just for one event a realistic format is many events over many months where innovation happens.

  • @lollojojjo6612
    @lollojojjo6612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Can I be honest? I think smoke granade of the thief can return now since auroradon is banned, I don't think infernoble will do other than discard 1 or 2 card, expecially now that they unlimited trishula and mermail still exist

  • @Phoenix107
    @Phoenix107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I watched this live, and it really feels like farfa just didnt realize that the Point of the list is to bring everything back you CAN. "How does this make it more fun?" - DOESNT MATTER, thats not the point.

    • @PhoenixLance13
      @PhoenixLance13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Didn't Farfa LITERALLY commentate one of these tournaments too?

    • @ivanmaterazzo2631
      @ivanmaterazzo2631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But the point of the list is not just nerfing powerful archetypes, but we also want to get rid of obnoxious cards. We are 100% sure plant ftk or "solemn cards+ last turn+ barrier statues" lists won't be any near to competitive, but boy if they can be ridiculous to play against.
      Farfa argument is not so weak and I believe the masochistic tournament while fun it doesn't prove at all if some cards could or couldn't come out from the list safely.

  • @simonlarimore1770
    @simonlarimore1770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It takes a unique set of skills to double the length of a video and still not get the point XD

  • @Unknownz000
    @Unknownz000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Idk if farfa realizes that mbt doesn't want the whole banlist to be at 3. This is basically how many unbans can I do without absolutely fucking the game over. And I honestly think his unbans are reasonable since theyre literally the ones that don't kill the game completely.

    • @andrejv.2834
      @andrejv.2834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They would in an actual tournament setting and time to do proper testing, but the point is to have a funny draw droll or lose tournament so we don't care about that

  • @Evil_Florida
    @Evil_Florida 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    He is just very honest about what he wants to do, ok. He quite literally stated the purpose of this is to destroy yugioh forever

  • @amethonys2798
    @amethonys2798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:13 how is that any more egregious than flunder? Flunder can also protect the statue way easier than books can protect jowgen and can play through Ash.

  • @PokemonTrainerRed01
    @PokemonTrainerRed01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, i'm confused. If someone could explain how victory dragon works? I've never seen the card played every ( fairly new player ). It says "If this card attacks your opponent directly and reduces their life points to 0, you win the match" isn't that redundant? that's how you win. by reducing the opponents life points to 0. I feel like I'm not understanding the issue with the card or the cards description.

    • @hoheitvgc8819
      @hoheitvgc8819 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Match win not a game win so you win the best of 3 in an instant

  • @DoctorFalchion
    @DoctorFalchion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's called the Moron / Masochist Banlist Tournament for a reason, it's intentionally anti-fun, the only limit is that it shouldn't unreasonably raise the power level of top meta matchups, or in other words, straight-up break the game.

  • @WarpedByTheNHK
    @WarpedByTheNHK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    MBT is mostly right (some of his choices are insane). The forbidden list should only really contain cards that are meta relevant. If you ban every irrelevant off meta card that isn't "fun" then you are going to end up with a list clogged with trash like Gishki Gustkracken and Naturia Bamboo shoot. No matter how unfun a card is, once it loses relevance to the meta, it should leave the list.

  • @matthewsouden6998
    @matthewsouden6998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Farfa has officially lost his mind and then lost it again

  • @zuleanservant
    @zuleanservant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    To play devil's advocate about fusion destiny: activating verte can't be ash'd vs raw activating destiny. There's also the variable of not needing to have the destiny in hand to make use of it whereas verte is always live so long as you can put 2 bodies on the board. Which is statistically more likely than topdecking a 3-of. In a vaccuum raw dropping destiny is the better option when consistency isn't a variable however you will have a greater likelihood of just being able to make verte and banking on your opponent not having imperm, vieler, or gamma.

    • @andrejv.2834
      @andrejv.2834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So verte can't be ashed but can be hit by 3 other commonly played hand traps
      Also that's the point, you use verte for when you don't open fd and make something better than verte when you do open it

    • @zacharycannaday6075
      @zacharycannaday6075 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess I'm missing something. How can verte dodge ash?

    • @tcoren1
      @tcoren1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zacharycannaday6075 first off, sending the fusion card to the graveyard is part of verte's cost rather than effect, so you can't ash that. But what about verte's actual effect? Well verde's effect reads "this effect becomes that Spell's effect when that card is activated, also, you cannot special summon..." so verte's effect is "copy the fusion cards effect", which is not something ash can negate, even if she would've been able to negate the copied effect

  • @alexcrawford5539
    @alexcrawford5539 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Sometimes his reasons are just a bunch of words". Wasn't MBT in law school or am I making that up?

    • @rubenjerate5848
      @rubenjerate5848 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, he was :)

    • @pinkdelicious655
      @pinkdelicious655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doesn't mean he's good at it. There's sovereign citizens who studied law

  • @lamthejamman5468
    @lamthejamman5468 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Farfa having numerous mental breakdowns over MBT’s decisions is fucking fantastic.

  • @bagredecartola1289
    @bagredecartola1289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually ultimate offering would be extremely good on monarchs, using your squires on your oponents turn to generate tribute fodder and then using them to summon more monarchs, and also if you could summon 1 erebus on your turn and other on the oponents turn it straight up loops 2 cards and then you the other monarchs

  • @bluemew22
    @bluemew22 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey MBT, how about we just hard reset the list and only ban whatever causes problems in Unlimited Format 1 event later?

  • @otretzel7533
    @otretzel7533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Cry about it

    • @Akoom
      @Akoom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Projection

  • @GentlemanBones
    @GentlemanBones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think an important thing to note about MBT's banlist tournaments is that:
    1) Eveyrone knows everyone else's deck list going in, so you can play specific counter cards like Eschatos with precision, and
    2) He's lying anyway, because he gives himself the ability to veto certain decks from being entered, so you can't just freely take advantage of the ban list he curated.

    • @orga7777
      @orga7777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Exactly. Everyone is on Droll in every one of these tournaments. It is frustrating. It is always "See, FTKs and endless draw power doesn't work. Just draw Droll." Like... hello? lol. Nobody like formats where you either play Droll or lose.

    • @Trojanexe-gk8kf
      @Trojanexe-gk8kf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@orga7777 but the point isn't to make a good format the point is to unban 90 cards

    • @orga7777
      @orga7777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Trojanexe-gk8kf That is fine and all, but that isn't what Joseph says in the videos. He honestly thinks it changes nothing in the format.... Except now everyone is forced to main deck Droll and Lock Bird or lose in seconds.

    • @ryansanagustin6553
      @ryansanagustin6553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@orga7777 He doesn’t genuinely think removing all these cards won’t have ANY impact. He’s just trying to prove the point that the banlist should be more lenient by taking it to extrema. And if he’s sorta wishy-washy ab his argument, it weakens it (tho I will admit his rushed arguments for each card and curating which decks can be allowed in the tournament also weakens his argument but really it’s about clickbait and about getting his point across about how stingy the banlist is currently)

    • @darkblade9924
      @darkblade9924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its funny how the winner of the tourney was:....
      Infernoble.

  • @patchworkgolem
    @patchworkgolem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:03 do you think Konami ever asks this? Because I don't think they ever have so why should MBT?

  • @mathewricafrente5984
    @mathewricafrente5984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I kinda want MBT to do a tournament where everything is at 3, just to see how badly the results would destroy Yugioh.

    • @masterduelzero1795
      @masterduelzero1795 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      You literally have to play Droll at 3 to have any chance of seeing turn 2

    • @joshleake3517
      @joshleake3517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@masterduelzero1795 But then they draw one of their three called by and three crossout anyway so it doesn't matter

    • @DrDrao
      @DrDrao 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshleake3517 You also play 3 if just to guarantee you draw the out.

    • @waskithonugroho3955
      @waskithonugroho3955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well unlimit all draw card lead one ppl to play floodgate masterpeace and win the tournament soooo

    • @Spxngxd
      @Spxngxd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Play IO turn 1 win the game

  • @awildsylveon9896
    @awildsylveon9896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:30 how exactly are we ftking with a trap card that can't be activated on turn one

  • @netcat22
    @netcat22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The funniest part to me about the moron banlist is that it put duo to 1 but not COH

    • @bigman94755
      @bigman94755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      COH is just a weird unban from Konami. Just put Mind Control to 2 and you have the exact same thing as now but not as strong.

  • @commander950
    @commander950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "How would this make the game more fun?" Oh sweet, silly, naive farfa it was never about fun it's about succeeding where Icarus failed.

  • @DillonChichester
    @DillonChichester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’m one minute in, but I can already tell this is gonna be 20 minutes of farda repeating his one bad argument about the list making things more “fun”…

  • @qweschuning
    @qweschuning 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Theres something about the way MBT jingles keys that truly makes me believe anything is possible.

  • @lukemacinnes5124
    @lukemacinnes5124 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    normal summon during opponents turn could be cracked depending on what you play with it, though that requires two cards in hand but being able to normal summon amano or something along those lines would be good

  • @wcodeasz7716
    @wcodeasz7716 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @farfa Is it me, or Redox isn't on the list?

  • @mikaela5938
    @mikaela5938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    a lot of the unhits he lists are because it would be funny to unhit them, victory dragon is terrible but it's funny, mass driver is dumb but ftk is funny

    • @alexYu-gi-oh
      @alexYu-gi-oh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How is that "funny"? I swear mbt's community calls everything funny just because. Like how is it a fun experience for you to go to a tournament just to play against some dumb player who plays last turn or victory dragon and u have to waste 20 minutes on judge calls instead of just playing the game

    • @livingbeing4517
      @livingbeing4517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@alexYu-gi-oh Because the tournament you're going to is against other MBT viewers (hand-picked by MBT) and the point is to make the most of this banlist and so nobody will play Victory Dragon anyway?

    • @luminous3558
      @luminous3558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Mass driver is also absolutely awful. We have 3x cannon soldier who is infinitely more searchable and summonable than a continuous spell that isnt part of an archetype.
      Also as MBT said if you can summon 20 times you can make a billion negates or have already gotten nibiru'd.
      Pay offs are hardly ever the issue. Game is all about how consistent your engine is and how well it plays through handtraps.

    • @alexYu-gi-oh
      @alexYu-gi-oh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@livingbeing4517 he said victory dragon is "funny" so im trying to understand where the fun in that card. Please dont try to be a smartass

    • @amethonys2798
      @amethonys2798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luminous3558 this. Back in Danger! Darkworld FTK that deck would've ran soldier over driver due to how flexible the card is over a continuous spell especially since if you discarded it you just went with plan B of 5000 negates and used the potential extra dark in grave for cards like beginning of the end.

  • @piranha9411
    @piranha9411 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probally just me and a few others but ultimate offering comes off, monarch players would want to normal/tribute summon on their oponent's turn, but thats nieche.
    Example your oponents turn during battle phase, they try to chain monster offects, you can chain uo tribute into either majesty's fiend to stop the stack, casius to banish something, mobius to destroy two back ground, or even better the mega monarchs or erebus/ehther for more disruption

  • @Caleb-zl4wk
    @Caleb-zl4wk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He skews this so hard. Mbt chillin

  • @sdquad6
    @sdquad6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Farfa did you.... Just make this thinking it was a banlist wishlist or something? Do you not understand the actual concept of the ---> Moron

  • @mitrimind1027
    @mitrimind1027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey maybe fiber jar can come back if it banished itself and made you lose half your life points. That could work, right?

  • @kindlingking
    @kindlingking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thus the cycle of MBT unbanning Masterpeace, realising how terrible this decision was only to then unban it again in the next moron banlist shall continue.

  • @Kurumisama
    @Kurumisama ปีที่แล้ว

    Victory Dragon should be errata to make it "also If your opponent surrenders at any point the turn you summon this card, win the match"

  • @lightningfarronxp8899
    @lightningfarronxp8899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Farfa: "YOU CAN'T UNBAN THINGS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF UNBANNING THEM!"
    Cry about it lol.

    • @Xhalonick
      @Xhalonick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Farfa cries about everything from the state of us politics to really anything and everything under the sun. His entire channel is false outrage.

  • @bioniclelegend7
    @bioniclelegend7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay one thing I do have to point out on farfas opinion on misc is the fact that it is vulnerable to hand traps through it's second effect. It's second effect for most Dino builds is very important as it can be the combo starter and if you ash, bell, called by or skull meister it, it hurts a ton. With lythosagm(however you spell it) it does mean you don't need to rely on misc as much to get archo to pop your baby but he can still be a brick in your hand.
    Also misc only protects your dinosaurs so if you try your scrap combo, it can still be hit by stuff like nibiru which can shutdown the Dino player.
    Basically, I do think misc might be okay to go 2 as then it means he's not as common in opening hands and if you hit the misc with a negate, they only have 1 left. This also keeps the true king variants down as with 2 misc it means you have less of a chance of getting thr fire true king effect off and he will just be even more more of a break.

  • @zRunes
    @zRunes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Farfa: How does this make the game more fun
    Title of the damn event: Masochist banlist tournament

  • @crowcoregames1785
    @crowcoregames1785 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    technilcy you could maybe 2-3 turn kill with a burn efect deck useing ulti offering asuming you set for example flamevail traps before and have ways to normal into fires to get more fires in the grave then use secret barrel + the flamevail trap that burns for damge based on fires in grave but even then they could easly just respond to any of those efects, so thecnilcy it would be more of a 2-3 turn kill but yehhh

  • @antrondon3654
    @antrondon3654 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The game is fun when you get to play with your cards. Every card that doesn't break the game should be unbanned.

  • @dantefree3837
    @dantefree3837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it need to be gone?

  • @Meanlucario
    @Meanlucario 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    MBT is the guy who watched Jurassic Park and decides he wants to clone dinosaurs as well, ignoring the movie's cautionary tale.

  • @TheRobin120
    @TheRobin120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tempest magician is ultra easy to get out with endymion pend stuf and with selen getting a million counters ...

  • @Koirittle
    @Koirittle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Did MBT every actually say hes removing cards to make the game more fun?

    • @jk844100
      @jk844100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No

    • @sdquad6
      @sdquad6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a series of tournaments over time that are trying to see how many can be unbanned before the game stops being playable

  • @hannes_r
    @hannes_r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i play goat format a lot and you know uhm, duo can never come back, the people who made it were batshit crazy

  • @FutureOfHalo
    @FutureOfHalo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree that ultimate offering can come off the ban list. It's a trap so it's slow and it's also vulnerable since its a continuous. It'll give normal summon/tribute summon decks a boost (other than floowandereeze). Yeah you can extend off your opponents turn with it but I can't see people putting it in their decks in hopes of getting 1 extension off of it.

  • @luigirock96
    @luigirock96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Change of heart is scary, use the meteor hand trap and change of heart on the token to one shot.

    • @puppieslovies
      @puppieslovies 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are much stronger turn 3 plays if you get to resolve nibiru and your opponent has an empty field
      It's basically impossible to lose if you do that anyway

  • @Shazam1998
    @Shazam1998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Farfa doesn't seem to understand the point of the video and neither does his chat.

  • @Nyartatouille
    @Nyartatouille 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Errata Victory Dragon so that it says "While this card is on the field, your opponent cannot forfeit" and it can comr back.

  • @spoof6023
    @spoof6023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Duo is funny to me because there's a psychic support card where you tribute one of your psychic monsters and they shuffle their hand and draw three which was always funny turn one.

  • @DeitySkullKid
    @DeitySkullKid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aqua dolphin also needs you to discard, you give up one to potentially remove one, it also doesn't work (and you get burned) if they have no monsters in hand
    Delinquent duo doesn't care

  • @sugglemynuts3754
    @sugglemynuts3754 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "untargetable monster that pops a card" masterpiece is just a shity dragoon you have to normal summon

  • @TheSuperf12
    @TheSuperf12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Farfa, you guys should team up and make a unban banlist together.. you could keep each other in check and make it bigger and see what can actually be done

  • @guttz_2428
    @guttz_2428 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the backstory for their beef?

  • @The_Doctor__
    @The_Doctor__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The last episode of The masochist banlist series would have MBT removing every card from the banlist and destroying Yugioh once and for all thus saving the environment and preventing the end of the world.

  • @Christian-rn1ur
    @Christian-rn1ur 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when's the diss track/boxing match happening?

  • @SirAthiro
    @SirAthiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "SHUT UP!!!" *Pauses video*
    Bro I lost it. 😂

  • @mitrimind1027
    @mitrimind1027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They could just make a ruling where if they surrender while victory dragon in play, they forfeit the match.

  • @harryc657
    @harryc657 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be honest, Master Piece can maybe come back to 1 if the Draco field spell is banned.
    Think about it. Only the Draco archetype can search this, and has to be normal summoned to gain its immunities. It's broken now because the field spell is splashable in many decks (such as dinos), and can not only search it, but also protect it. With the field spell gone, it becomes a powerful card that can't really fit into many decks, since it needs two tributes. Eldlich can make great use of it, a powerful top deck that can use the continuous traps to give it immunity to Skill Drain (which needs to be put back to one if im being honest).
    Pendulums can maybe use him, since their scales can be used a tributes.
    I don't know. Would be wild if it came back in some way.

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Farfa jesus. The point of the video just flew 80mph above your head.

  • @Dw7freak
    @Dw7freak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    About the cards Farfa has an issue with:
    Victory Dragon doesn't work in closed tournaments like this. With the amount of resources it would take to normal it, you could just win the game. Even then, match winners only work in the ocg where you can't just scoop on your opponent's turn.
    Djinn doesn't work in Drytron, the only viable ritual deck currently. Unless we see some Nekroz, I don't see anyone playing it.
    I agree about Duo. It should stay banned.
    Truedraco... He just wants to watch his tournament burn.
    Misc is literally the only reason Dino could be competitive. The deck still loses to a bunch of the meta.
    Even without Verte, every deck is still gonna splash DPE. The third copy of Fusion Destiny won't do anything but clog your hand after turn 1.
    Tempest Magician is only plausible in Endymion and we all know how unviable pend is.

  • @george2991
    @george2991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    see I WANT to agree with you on Delinquent Duo...
    but at the same time, Heat Wave is a going 1st autowin tool against most non-backrow decks that is apparently fine at 3...
    Who tf knows anymore lol

  • @airsoul366
    @airsoul366 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mass Driver is definitely not coming back with Morphtronic Telefon on its way now.

  • @YGOPD
    @YGOPD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are these drastically escalating analogies lol

  • @sonikblade
    @sonikblade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now Farfa (or a representant) needs to play in this tournament and do better then the meta decks! I bet MBT would allow him, even if the brackets were already closed lol

  • @bunniyubel3782
    @bunniyubel3782 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy who thought engage couldn't come back to 1 is now like this, crazy LOL

  • @sufx0845
    @sufx0845 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure if delinquent duo fits in the current format, discarding 2 is good but it doesn't advance your gamestate, in a combo deck you'd rather have ways to deal with opponent's hand traps or have extenders in a control it can be useful but don't you have more impactful cards to play? But the main problem is that the card is quite attrocious in go second, sometimes you will hit a hand trap but against most decks the menances you want to deal with are on the field. In the end I really have a hard time seeing a strategy that would want to incorporate such a card in its arsenal, and moreover I don't take into account the possibility that the card could not be effective against your opponent'strategy.

    • @kindlingking
      @kindlingking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Literally activate duo before your combo and randomly hit or force your opponent to discard a hantrap. At absolute worst your opponent will keep and successfully use hantraps them against you, but then would be left with no cards to do their own combo.

  • @shamblingincompetence8966
    @shamblingincompetence8966 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick take regarding Victory Dragon, couldn't Konami just reprint Victory Dragon with the text "this card cannot be used in a Duel", like with all the other cards that are exactly the same!? Make it make sense!

    • @puppieslovies
      @puppieslovies 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      To my knowledge Konami never removes legal cards. It's not that victory dragon should be illegal to play but that its effect is so weird and busted that any card that is illegal to play may as well include it
      The only way it could be unbanned and keep its effect is if they ruled your opponent can't surrender which would just be unfun

  • @I2obsturn21
    @I2obsturn21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MBT trying to get delinquent duo to come back 😂🤣

  • @rebeccathenaeum
    @rebeccathenaeum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the fact you uploaded this the day after the tournament is very funny to me.

  • @darkira2129
    @darkira2129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can still special summon dark hero after activating fusion destiny, let's be honest that card need more restrictions.

  • @ddrguy3008
    @ddrguy3008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Victory Dragon would be a great comeback. Think about it: Every event, they devote 15 seconds to explaining that it will never resolve. Effs over the people who thought they could be cheeky. Then it just becomes an inside joke.

  • @brianwilson7934
    @brianwilson7934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The main problem with Yu-Gi-Oh is that ppl think the answer to each format is to ban a bunch of cards they don't like instead of just letting the power creep sink in

    • @wonkybiscuit2760
      @wonkybiscuit2760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah with all the going second cards that exist currently, I agree the solution isn’t always a nuclear banlist. We did need certain cards to go this format, just for the health of the game though.

    • @Kris_King
      @Kris_King 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wait, a reasonable comment? On a Farfa video? Did I enter an alternate universe somehow?

    • @LilyApus
      @LilyApus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      in a game about back and forth plays the mentality that you need to ban strong cards instead of making other cards good/better is very ironic.

    • @brianwilson7934
      @brianwilson7934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I didn't realize anyone had even responded to me but cool
      Also real quick
      Verte is better than Fusion Destiny because the likelihood of you having two monsters left to make verte is higher than the chance that you naturally drew fusion destiny
      Fusion Destiny costs less to activate but can also brick your hand with multiple copies. A card's versatility and accessibility is sometimes more important than its stated effects.

    • @luminous3558
      @luminous3558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@LilyApus To be fair there are lots of situations where the solution of "make stronger card" causes even more problems.
      We don't need a card that can out rhongo. That way you just end up creating cards that blanket out everything.
      Not that konami isn't already playing whack a mole with powercreep on bosses and outs, thats how we ended up with DRNM and Droplet.

  • @telepathicdragon
    @telepathicdragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Sorry Farfa, but I love MBT
    I came here specifically just so i had an excuse to watch MBT's video again.