If you enjoyed this photography project video, check this one out next, where i shoot nothing but film for a month 😁 th-cam.com/video/ex4glE5YNQQ/w-d-xo.html
It's worth noting that lens choice is super important for IR. For example, on m43rds, the Olympus 12mm f/2 doesn't pass much IR light, and produces bland, low-contrast photos, but the Lumix 14mm f/2.5 passes a lot and looks great. Lots of people talk online about lenses that have IR hotspot problems, but not enough about other quality aspects, so experiment a lot!
For some reason manual focus doesn't really work for distant objects on my full spectrum converted camera. Maybe the focal plane shifted when removing the IR Cut filter from the sensor assembly? Like on my manual focus Laowa 7.5mm, I would need to turn the ring past infinity but I can't because hard stop. Similar with the 12mm f2 when using the MF clutch (AF works fine though). I just today tried the Olympus 12-45mm f4 PRO in IR, it produced tack sharp vibrant images.
@@gebauzchris the IR cut filter has an optical thickness that affects focus. If you simply removed it, and didn't replace it with anything, the sensor is optically too far from the mount. Replacing the IR cut filter with clear glass (or crystal for doing UV) of the same OPTICAL thickness (not physical thickness) will solve it. If not, removing the shims that were on the screws connecting the sensor to the lens mount, in order to get the sensor closer to the mount, will help somewhat.
@@StephenStrangways Thanks for the info! I got it second hand, converted by someone else. I don't think I'm going to mess with it. AF works fine after all.
@@gebauzchris AF will work with some lenses, if they were designed to focus well past infinity (which many are) but you may find there are some lenses that don't. You may also find some manual focus lenses that focus far enough past infinity that you'll be able to get infinity focus on your camera. It really depends on the lens, not AF vs MF.
IR is great fun, I bought a full specrum Lumix G2 off ebay, and really pleased with it. Interesting at full spectrum, 950nm filter gives B&W, an IR cut filter almost brings the camera back to normal. Rob Shea is a genius!😀
Far Infra Red on the other hand (the 'heat' end not the 'light' end is what you need for wildlife at night) Sadly affordable sensors can't detect the far IR spectrum. You could of course experiment with IR illumination. Michael Yon had a DSLR converted to IR for his night time embedded photography from Afghanistan, which was mighty impressive. I've not encountered an Ultra Violet conversion yet but that would pay dividends for plants and invertebrates.
I have a professionally converted Olympus PEN E-PL3 with a very low shutter count if anyone is interested. 720nm filter. Comes with a VF-2 electronic viewfinder.
I got a converted Olympus E-PM2, so I could just use all my Micro Four Thirds lenses. Eventually I liked that kind of aged body so much that I bought a non-converted one as well (I find it's better in the hands than the Panasonic GM1 which I also have and almost as small).
Hi Emily, thanks for another fab video, just one observation that will help everyone. The Rob Shea profiles are great but once you have set the profile negative 50 for 720 or neg 100 for 590. Use the white balance Picker and set a custome white balance, either on a cloud or grass as you suggest.edit from there and you get much more variety of looks and more colour range
Great timing! I ordered a full spectrum-converted E-M5 with a Kolari Vision UV filter last week, have their candy chrome and IR chrome filters arriving next week. Fun so far!
I love how "photogenic" that bin beside the field looks in IR. Really loved this. As far as that part of the nms, etc, I fell off mentally. I'll save this video for when I'm ready to muck with it. ALSO, thanks for the point you made about the types of filters in both method - I am SURE I would've messed that up.
Thank you! The bin was purple as well, I was expecting it to go a crazy colour in infrared, but it didn't. It takes so long to "learn" how the colours will react! Haha
Whoooo, so glad to see infrared photography featured, as it's such a fun thing to do! It's definitely a ton of fun, and I love how you can get some really interesting results with different filters. My current favourite is KolariVision's IR Chrome, but I really do like the reds and oranges that 590nm offers, and especially the ethereal look 720nm typically has! Definitely wishing I had just picked up a GX8 or something and had it modified instead of getting the Canon IXUS 180 that was modified (and came with several lenses) as that battery dies so quickly, but soon enough I'll have a micro four thirds body that's fully modified because I rather love infrared photography.
Great video with some wonderfully helpful tips! From Greig Fraser using our filters in Dune 2 we can recommend mixing in monochromatic altering filters to add another level of creativity & control! Lovely watch as always :)
Despite being a keen IR photographer for years, I’ve never got around to buying a converted camera. I use filters simply because I never go out specifically to take IR and I know that I’ll never bother to take a second camera with me. Most mirroless cameras are pretty good at IR and the newer the better high ISO capabilities they will have although, that said, my favourite IR pic was taken with an Oly EM-5 mkII at 200 ISO mounted on a tripod for 97 secs! I find 780nm to be the best for me and I can usually handhold that, even with a camera without IBIS or OIS (a Leica M11 which produces good files at 5000 ISO). Much easier with a modern camera with good IBIS and decent ISO capabilities (Fuji XT-50) should allow a 1/250s at 1600 ISO on a sunny day. I only produce b&w IR pics so colour profiles aren’t a problem but your pictures looked amazing.
I have IR camera for many years with gx1 convert full soectrum and 14mm f2.5 lumix /14-45 lumix the best lens for ir and I forget this camera for a longtime thank you to bring my memory back I will use it again
Welcome to the club and enjoy the trip down the IR rabbit hole 😁 I have three bodies my 1st was one I sent away to convert lumix G5 with a 665nm filter next pickup a EM10 mk3 full spectrum and finally a GX80 with a 850 nm from ebay. If you hadn't mentioned Rob I was going to say to check out his channel. I tend to use the GX80 the most as was like when I shot IR film. As someone else mentioned lens choice is key.
6:02 what you' want to do is white balance off of neutral grey or white. I's use the pavement in this scene. Cameras with a custom white balance button/mode (Olympus!) help here. With some cameras, to set a custom white balance you have to select a reference image file already in the camera (Canon, you slouch!).
Now I know what to buy while on drunken shopping spree on next Friday 😂 IR converted camera and some filters. Thanks for great infotainment video about infrared photography.
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. You can create camera profiles in Photoshop Camera RAW. In the Camera RAW window there are three little dots on the right sidebar. The narrow strip on the right. Alt click on those three dots and you'll see a pop up menu and in the menu you'll see "Create Profile..." 😀
Thank you Matti! You can indeed. I still think the same issue arises though unfortunately, where you can't get the white balance temp to go below 2000. It needs to be a custom profile that allows it to go "cooler" than the default settings allow to counteract the red
@@MicroFourNerds Yeah, it does not help in setting the WB below the min value. I should have known that of course you are aware of that Camera RAW feature😀
IR and full spectrum photograph is very fun. 720nm and 850nm are some of my favorite. If you have a full spectrum conversion red and blue channel swaps are fun. Also use the grass on a warm clear (harsh light) day around noon to set my white balance. Oh another thing shooting people it can change hair colour, strip away hair dyes, and sunglasses are clear! Skin is ethereal be carful about veins however!!! As a side note you can get pure conversations in many different wave lengths or a full spectrum. there are pluses and minus to both. Fix spectrum (wave length this is the nm/frequencies they can be measured in hertz) allows full use of your view finder and lens correction etc. IR and visual spectrum have different focal points* (some lens show this new scale btw). Full spectrum can be shot with everything from UV to SWIR, Near IR and Red edge etc. and filters can be used to allow only some wave lengths etc. Issue with non EVF view finders is you can't see through them since they cut of visual wave lengths (mirrorless camera no problem) how ever the focal points and lens correction can't happen since too many wave lengths are available* *don't know if the lens focal point effects mirrorless sensors as all my IR and full spectrum photography was DSLR
Mirrorless cameras will autofocus just fine in IR, because the focusing is done based on what the sensor sees, not a separate AF sensor. They have the same problems with unsharpness with lenses focusing IR and visible at different depths, but some lenses can solve that - I have a Sigma 105mm macro that advertised focusing IR and visible together, and indeed it sure does!
I've never been too interested in black and white infrared - the mad foliage colours really appeal to me personally! But now I have a camera that's converted I might give black and white a go 😁
If I wasn't on a "you can only eat noodles because you're poor" -diet, I would definitely get in to IR. I've wanted to dab into it for years already. I had a Sigma SD10 back in the day where the IR filter was easily removable, but editing the IR photos in Sigma PhotoPro was too much pain.
I bought a full spectrum IR converted GF1 for very little money and I can use all my m4/3rds lenses on it, just got to find out which lenses work best for IR, then use Affinity Photo 2 for channel swap and editing.
The filter comments at the beginning definitely depend on the camera. I use a 720nm filter on a Fuji X-T4 and I have none of the downsides you mention. EVF/screen is perfectly clear to compose, not black, autofocus works fine, moving subjects are fine, don't need a tripod. It's essentially like having a weird ND filter on.
@@MicroFourNerds Nope! Just a regular X-T4, it's infrared sensitive so just stick a 720 on it and you're good to go. Never used a converted camera though I'd like to some day.
@@MicroFourNerds It is nice being able to do infrared for $20! Like you say, lots of fun in a super bright afternoon. I guess the autofocus working varies depending on how each camera/brand does it too.
infrared timelapse? Davinci can do all the extreme WB shifts and channel swaps with a DNG image sequence. I have an old Sony NEX5 just stuffed in a cupboard.
If you use an infrared filter on the lens you can’t see to focus but if you do internal filters on a full spectrum converted camera you can see to focus, no matter what filter you have chosen?
I use lens filters and mirrorless cameras I’ve used Olympus EM-5 mkII, Leica Q2 and Fuji XT-50, all focus fine although I usually use a small aperture as I want large depth of field.
@MicroFourNerds ... For £80 I bought an Olympus EP2-L full spectrum IR body and three different NM filters for £35. I never use LR or PS, and use the Olympus Workspace or Snapseed ... I've never channel swapped, and 99% of my shots are untouched.
The standard values of temperature in lightroom go to 2000 in value. The custom profile allows you to go to 50,000, so it's quite far out of what that usual sliders can achieve
Doesn't that mean you can technically shoot at night? Like if you have a IR spotlight and beam it on an animal or somebody's face at night, wouldn't the camera take a perfect picture ?
You can even use an IR flash at night! Some are specially made for it, but you can just put an IR pass filter over a regular flash, or even a piece of exposed black 35mm film, and it leaks very little visible light but plenty of IR.
@@StephenStrangways the reason why I ask is because I wanted to try it with a telephoto lens like a 100-300 or a mirror lens and try to capture night birds and bats. IR flash wont work but maybe a IR light directly focused on the animal would work, although maybe they naturally react to infrared and would fly away idk
I've never really been that impressed with infrared photography. There are very few examples where I actually think it works well and in most instances it's a bit of a gimmick. I'm sure there are people who really enjoy the genre but it's not something that interests me personally.
If you enjoyed this photography project video, check this one out next, where i shoot nothing but film for a month 😁 th-cam.com/video/ex4glE5YNQQ/w-d-xo.html
It's worth noting that lens choice is super important for IR. For example, on m43rds, the Olympus 12mm f/2 doesn't pass much IR light, and produces bland, low-contrast photos, but the Lumix 14mm f/2.5 passes a lot and looks great. Lots of people talk online about lenses that have IR hotspot problems, but not enough about other quality aspects, so experiment a lot!
Aaah that's super helpful thank you!!
For some reason manual focus doesn't really work for distant objects on my full spectrum converted camera. Maybe the focal plane shifted when removing the IR Cut filter from the sensor assembly? Like on my manual focus Laowa 7.5mm, I would need to turn the ring past infinity but I can't because hard stop. Similar with the 12mm f2 when using the MF clutch (AF works fine though).
I just today tried the Olympus 12-45mm f4 PRO in IR, it produced tack sharp vibrant images.
@@gebauzchris the IR cut filter has an optical thickness that affects focus. If you simply removed it, and didn't replace it with anything, the sensor is optically too far from the mount.
Replacing the IR cut filter with clear glass (or crystal for doing UV) of the same OPTICAL thickness (not physical thickness) will solve it. If not, removing the shims that were on the screws connecting the sensor to the lens mount, in order to get the sensor closer to the mount, will help somewhat.
@@StephenStrangways Thanks for the info! I got it second hand, converted by someone else. I don't think I'm going to mess with it. AF works fine after all.
@@gebauzchris AF will work with some lenses, if they were designed to focus well past infinity (which many are) but you may find there are some lenses that don't. You may also find some manual focus lenses that focus far enough past infinity that you'll be able to get infinity focus on your camera. It really depends on the lens, not AF vs MF.
IR is great fun, I bought a full specrum Lumix G2 off ebay, and really pleased with it. Interesting at full spectrum, 950nm filter gives B&W, an IR cut filter almost brings the camera back to normal. Rob Shea is a genius!😀
I don't need it... I don't need it... 😳
I bet you'd be brave enough to convert a camera for cheap! Like the G1! 👀
@@MicroFourNerds 😳
Far Infra Red on the other hand (the 'heat' end not the 'light' end is what you need for wildlife at night) Sadly affordable sensors can't detect the far IR spectrum. You could of course experiment with IR illumination. Michael Yon had a DSLR converted to IR for his night time embedded photography from Afghanistan, which was mighty impressive. I've not encountered an Ultra Violet conversion yet but that would pay dividends for plants and invertebrates.
Yes you do ... yes you do.
I have a professionally converted Olympus PEN E-PL3 with a very low shutter count if anyone is interested. 720nm filter. Comes with a VF-2 electronic viewfinder.
I got a converted Olympus E-PM2, so I could just use all my Micro Four Thirds lenses.
Eventually I liked that kind of aged body so much that I bought a non-converted one as well (I find it's better in the hands than the Panasonic GM1 which I also have and almost as small).
Hi Emily, thanks for another fab video, just one observation that will help everyone. The Rob Shea profiles are great but once you have set the profile negative 50 for 720 or neg 100 for 590. Use the white balance Picker and set a custome white balance, either on a cloud or grass as you suggest.edit from there and you get much more variety of looks and more colour range
Great timing! I ordered a full spectrum-converted E-M5 with a Kolari Vision UV filter last week, have their candy chrome and IR chrome filters arriving next week. Fun so far!
Lovely vid Emily - your infrared photography project went pretty well, indeed! Cheers xx
I love how "photogenic" that bin beside the field looks in IR. Really loved this. As far as that part of the nms, etc, I fell off mentally. I'll save this video for when I'm ready to muck with it. ALSO, thanks for the point you made about the types of filters in both method - I am SURE I would've messed that up.
Thank you! The bin was purple as well, I was expecting it to go a crazy colour in infrared, but it didn't. It takes so long to "learn" how the colours will react! Haha
Whoooo, so glad to see infrared photography featured, as it's such a fun thing to do! It's definitely a ton of fun, and I love how you can get some really interesting results with different filters. My current favourite is KolariVision's IR Chrome, but I really do like the reds and oranges that 590nm offers, and especially the ethereal look 720nm typically has! Definitely wishing I had just picked up a GX8 or something and had it modified instead of getting the Canon IXUS 180 that was modified (and came with several lenses) as that battery dies so quickly, but soon enough I'll have a micro four thirds body that's fully modified because I rather love infrared photography.
Wavelength technically but given its a direct mapping with em radation to equivalent frequencies...
Thank you!! 😁
@@MicroFourNerds Yes, the filter specs you used (rated in nm) refer to wavelengths which are in meters or in this case nanometers.
I love how it can take a ordinary scene and make it truly unique!
Would love an IR convert for macro work
Great video with some wonderfully helpful tips! From Greig Fraser using our filters in Dune 2 we can recommend mixing in monochromatic altering filters to add another level of creativity & control! Lovely watch as always :)
Despite being a keen IR photographer for years, I’ve never got around to buying a converted camera. I use filters simply because I never go out specifically to take IR and I know that I’ll never bother to take a second camera with me. Most mirroless cameras are pretty good at IR and the newer the better high ISO capabilities they will have although, that said, my favourite IR pic was taken with an Oly EM-5 mkII at 200 ISO mounted on a tripod for 97 secs! I find 780nm to be the best for me and I can usually handhold that, even with a camera without IBIS or OIS (a Leica M11 which produces good files at 5000 ISO). Much easier with a modern camera with good IBIS and decent ISO capabilities (Fuji XT-50) should allow a 1/250s at 1600 ISO on a sunny day. I only produce b&w IR pics so colour profiles aren’t a problem but your pictures looked amazing.
I have IR camera for many years with gx1 convert full soectrum and 14mm f2.5 lumix /14-45 lumix the best lens for ir and I forget this camera for a longtime thank you to bring my memory back I will use it again
Welcome to the club and enjoy the trip down the IR rabbit hole 😁 I have three bodies my 1st was one I sent away to convert lumix G5 with a 665nm filter next pickup a EM10 mk3 full spectrum and finally a GX80 with a 850 nm from ebay. If you hadn't mentioned Rob I was going to say to check out his channel. I tend to use the GX80 the most as was like when I shot IR film. As someone else mentioned lens choice is key.
6:02 what you' want to do is white balance off of neutral grey or white. I's use the pavement in this scene. Cameras with a custom white balance button/mode (Olympus!) help here. With some cameras, to set a custom white balance you have to select a reference image file already in the camera (Canon, you slouch!).
Hi Emily, looking forward to watching your vlog! I can’t wait to hear what features this camera has and see what the quality is like!
I followed you on Twitter!
Going to covert an EPL5 that I got for a bargain.
This gave me an idea.
Now I know what to buy while on drunken shopping spree on next Friday 😂 IR converted camera and some filters. Thanks for great infotainment video about infrared photography.
Thanks for the awesome tutorial. You can create camera profiles in Photoshop Camera RAW. In the Camera RAW window there are three little dots on the right sidebar. The narrow strip on the right. Alt click on those three dots and you'll see a pop up menu and in the menu you'll see "Create Profile..." 😀
Thank you Matti! You can indeed. I still think the same issue arises though unfortunately, where you can't get the white balance temp to go below 2000. It needs to be a custom profile that allows it to go "cooler" than the default settings allow to counteract the red
@@MicroFourNerds Yeah, it does not help in setting the WB below the min value. I should have known that of course you are aware of that Camera RAW feature😀
IR and full spectrum photograph is very fun. 720nm and 850nm are some of my favorite. If you have a full spectrum conversion red and blue channel swaps are fun. Also use the grass on a warm clear (harsh light) day around noon to set my white balance.
Oh another thing shooting people it can change hair colour, strip away hair dyes, and sunglasses are clear! Skin is ethereal be carful about veins however!!!
As a side note you can get pure conversations in many different wave lengths or a full spectrum. there are pluses and minus to both.
Fix spectrum (wave length this is the nm/frequencies they can be measured in hertz) allows full use of your view finder and lens correction etc. IR and visual spectrum have different focal points* (some lens show this new scale btw).
Full spectrum can be shot with everything from UV to SWIR, Near IR and Red edge etc. and filters can be used to allow only some wave lengths etc. Issue with non EVF view finders is you can't see through them since they cut of visual wave lengths (mirrorless camera no problem) how ever the focal points and lens correction can't happen since too many wave lengths are available*
*don't know if the lens focal point effects mirrorless sensors as all my IR and full spectrum photography was DSLR
Mirrorless cameras will autofocus just fine in IR, because the focusing is done based on what the sensor sees, not a separate AF sensor. They have the same problems with unsharpness with lenses focusing IR and visible at different depths, but some lenses can solve that - I have a Sigma 105mm macro that advertised focusing IR and visible together, and indeed it sure does!
That is what I was thinking about mirrorless sensors, thanks.
great job. how about black and white infrared clicks? can you make a movie as well ?
I've never been too interested in black and white infrared - the mad foliage colours really appeal to me personally! But now I have a camera that's converted I might give black and white a go 😁
@@MicroFourNerds sky is the limit
If I wasn't on a "you can only eat noodles because you're poor" -diet, I would definitely get in to IR. I've wanted to dab into it for years already. I had a Sigma SD10 back in the day where the IR filter was easily removable, but editing the IR photos in Sigma PhotoPro was too much pain.
I bought a full spectrum IR converted GF1 for very little money and I can use all my m4/3rds lenses on it, just got to find out which lenses work best for IR, then use Affinity Photo 2 for channel swap and editing.
The filter comments at the beginning definitely depend on the camera. I use a 720nm filter on a Fuji X-T4 and I have none of the downsides you mention. EVF/screen is perfectly clear to compose, not black, autofocus works fine, moving subjects are fine, don't need a tripod. It's essentially like having a weird ND filter on.
@@jakecorre398 is that with a full spectrum converted camera?
@@MicroFourNerds Nope! Just a regular X-T4, it's infrared sensitive so just stick a 720 on it and you're good to go. Never used a converted camera though I'd like to some day.
@jakecorre398 that's awesome! Yes I guess the sensor / sensitivity will vary a lot depending on the camera
@@MicroFourNerds It is nice being able to do infrared for $20! Like you say, lots of fun in a super bright afternoon. I guess the autofocus working varies depending on how each camera/brand does it too.
infrared timelapse? Davinci can do all the extreme WB shifts and channel swaps with a DNG image sequence. I have an old Sony NEX5 just stuffed in a cupboard.
In 10 minutes you sold me a new camera :) I ordered a full spectrum Nex 5N for 100 dollars.
Interesting.
What would I have to do to go all “Dune” black and white fighting scenes?
Wonder if you could get a drone to do this as well?
The dune look is the filter around 800nm plus. Such a cool look!
Mmmmm…..cotton candy!
If you use an infrared filter on the lens you can’t see to focus but if you do internal filters on a full spectrum converted camera you can see to focus, no matter what filter you have chosen?
I use lens filters and mirrorless cameras I’ve used Olympus EM-5 mkII, Leica Q2 and Fuji XT-50, all focus fine although I usually use a small aperture as I want large depth of field.
Is that an ifootage monopod I spy? ;)
You have the eyes of a hawk!!! Yes! It's bloody brilliant. They're the sponsor of next week's video (hopefully! Just waiting on a date to publish)
Welcome to the club.
Which sensor mount filter system (at 3:29) are you using?
I just bought a 3d printed one off Ebay
That 16mm f2.8 is super underrated. Why aren't there more pancake lenses being made?
They're such a great form factor. I hope all companies make more and update their existing ones for sure
@MicroFourNerds ... For £80 I bought an Olympus EP2-L full spectrum IR body and three different NM filters for £35.
I never use LR or PS, and use the Olympus Workspace or Snapseed ... I've never channel swapped, and 99% of my shots are untouched.
Excellent!! 🙌
Price isn't even that bad, that's about 1 roll of Kodak Aerochrome
Couldn't you just add a filter like the linear gradient or brush across the whole image and enhance the cooling effect in LR?
The standard values of temperature in lightroom go to 2000 in value. The custom profile allows you to go to 50,000, so it's quite far out of what that usual sliders can achieve
@@MicroFourNerds blue would be a low number, not high, wouldn't it?
@MrSimonj1970 yes, that's why you flip the channels so the opposite happens 😊
@@MicroFourNerds no idea what that means
@@MrSimonj1970 if you watch the video, I explain it in the editing section
3:20 damn, white video cameras can spoil the shot
How whacky would portraits look?
With the barbie filter, everyone's skin was blue 😂
Great video. However… silicone ≠ silicon. 😅
😂 oops!
Have to confess I really dislike colour IR. I don't mind B&W IR, but colour is not for me.
Doesn't that mean you can technically shoot at night? Like if you have a IR spotlight and beam it on an animal or somebody's face at night, wouldn't the camera take a perfect picture ?
Yes, although IR photos of people have a weird inhuman look to them
You can even use an IR flash at night! Some are specially made for it, but you can just put an IR pass filter over a regular flash, or even a piece of exposed black 35mm film, and it leaks very little visible light but plenty of IR.
@@StephenStrangways the reason why I ask is because I wanted to try it with a telephoto lens like a 100-300 or a mirror lens and try to capture night birds and bats. IR flash wont work but maybe a IR light directly focused on the animal would work, although maybe they naturally react to infrared and would fly away idk
I've never really been that impressed with infrared photography. There are very few examples where I actually think it works well and in most instances it's a bit of a gimmick. I'm sure there are people who really enjoy the genre but it's not something that interests me personally.