The Problem with Oscar Pine | RWBY
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- In which we discuss the issues with Oscar Pine in RWBY, and how they can be remedied in Volume 7.
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If Ozpin totally takes over and Oscar is 'gone' I'm going to shank someone.
Honestly. I will be so sad.
I will stop watching the show tbh
Tabs Hare
Fr.
It’s the reverse
Sinful Adam
But Ozpin isn’t gone though.
He's never developed onscreen, thus is more of a vehicle for Ozpin and his storyline to move the plot
Quite true! I hope M&K fix that in Volume 7 and beyond!!! :)
Thanks for summarizing the video
In a literal sense. He’s a backseat driver in his own arcs.
DiverAMVs I think it should have been jaune that Ozpin resurrected into.
It would explain why jaune was allowed into beacon despite being completely useless,
allow jaune to become stronger faster,
create an interesting relationship between jaune and Ozpin, and they don’t have to create an new character in a cast already bloated with characters
@@thebwarrior7410 To have Ozpin reincarnate into you, you have to already have a name that can shorten to "Oz".
I'm joking of course... maybe...
"He's adorable. He's precious. I love him."
*Me: instantly like the video.*
*Watched the rest of the video*
Me: i agree.
Oscar literally represents the shows issue with "character segments". These arent arcs of development, they're segments that just get resolved almost as soon as they pop up.
Kaiser Shounen which probably why people were/are dropping the show
@@lucapeyrefitte6899 And thats also why I dont think the moment in argus where jaune went to pyrrha's statue wasnt as good as it needed to be (at least in regards to how it relates to ren and nora)
@@KaiserShounen Which I thought was pretty dumb Ren and Nora say that they miss her to which was funny because in previous Volumes Pyrrha's death was nothing to them despite the fact that she was their friend and teammate having them bring it up now even thought the segment is wrapping up and all of the stuff with Mile's girlfriend mellow drama is over too. It all just comes off as too little too late.
And this has been one of my biggest gripes with this show and it's been that way since Volume 4 to Volume 6.
Hell some segments in previous Volumes had perfectly good opportunities to give Ruby some character development but that all gets tossed to the wayside, or other times the segments get skipped over just to service another character. *Cough* Miles! *Cough* *Cough*
@@dcb2art Thats a weird cough you got there. Aside from that, you got it 100%. This the shit i've been talking about.
I like Oscar, but I definitely agree with all your points. He has so much potential - his conflict with Ozpin is super interesting - but he'll need to actually unlock said potential.
Gui Caldo and apparently M&K said he’s on the same fighting level as Mercury.
Um, no. I love Oscar and I can believe he’s improved but, no. Why can’t they just show him casually sparring and training? Oh my god....
I'm sure vol 7 will do something about that... Hopefully
@@jfduug4994 Honestly I think that quote meant more he was training to fight someone LIKE Mercury, who is definitely not as strong as Hazel.
The only kid who is probably on Merc's level is Yang. The rest have catching up to do.
WASTED POTENTIAL
@@minisarge2619 Nah, he's been using his potential quite well in recent Volumes actually
Love the character, hate the writer
I think that’s pretty much a summary of the entire series
@@sprooch1043
Literally
I really like Oscar, and i really want to see more of him in the future. His whole situation is one of the most interesting compared to the rest of the main cast. I really hope he can get more onscreen development soon. My son deserves SO much more
AGREED! The story around him is SO compelling and with some fleshing-out it'd be breathtaking and terrifying and potentially a huge relief if it turns out the Merge works differently thank just complete consumption and they both get to exist
A good time for Oscar to develop would be if he's seperated from the team ...maybe he gets kidnapped or something by a member of Salem's crew and while the team is running a rescue mission, Oscar asks questions, tries to put the pieces together on what this all should mean for himself, etc
Inserts: volume 8 lmao
Just finished volume 7. (!Spoilers btw!)
Now that Oscar has been separated from the group, I really hope he’ll actually start to explore more about Ozpin, ask more questions and actually get the goddamn on-screen character development he deserves. His character has potential and I feel like they’ve really wasted it so far. I just hope it comes around somewhat
Hehe
_⚠️⚠️⚠️Volume 8 Spoilers ⚠️⚠️⚠️_
I just read "kidnapped" and started laughing so hard because it's EXACTLY the fuck that happened
this aged like fine wine
Tbh I feel like Oscar should be number five on important characters right after the main four
Well for next volume he probably wont be 5th but there will be Salems attack and reuniting with ironwood.
But I feel like tryian will be a big character(rematch with qrow) or watts since its atlas.
Or maybe even the schnees because weiss siblings are there. Or maybe Jacque could die in this volume.
Maxwell comics Inc. the problem is that he hijacked the show.
Of you boil it down, this is his story. And not in a thanos was the protagonist way like in the recent avengers movie.
If you boil the last 3 seasons down it has turned into a “let’s defeat the bad guy” story with a bigger than life villain.
Now what does that villain have to do with anyone? Nothing. She doesn’t have a connection to neither one from team rwby, jnpr crow or anyone at all. So instead of fixing their messy idea the writers have written in their OC to become the chosen one for their setting out of nowhere.
But the show is still called rwby so instead of actually doing something with him they constantly try to distract us with characters that have nothing to do with anything and individual story arcs that go nowhere. Seriously, Ruby has not place in the story at all and just does undeserved speeches, Weiss has done nothing of relevance since season 1 when she became racist to have conflict with Blake. Blake’s storyline with the white fang has nothing to do with anything but they have vaguely showed Yang into this, but even then she just gets her arm cut of and then suddenly fights Adam with Blake. Yangs storyline with her mother means nothing and is basically filler. It’s even worse with team jnpr.
And here we are at the main problem, everything is filler because this is not RWBY but the Oscar show with cameos from book one. Fuck Oscar.
I agree and this last volume has convinced me of it even more. The show is perfectly capable of cutting JNR out and still having fun arcs as well as continuing the plot and Qrow and Maria haven’t been all too helpful save for Maria’s SEW talk which already served its purpose. I think the show should just be RWBY + Oscar since there’s not enough screen time for 10/11 heroes, 7 main villains, Neo, the Schnees and all the Atlas people
Maybe if they actually develop Oscar he can join team JNR and make it team ORNJ. They can't keep teasing me with this potential team name
Why would he be the leader.
@Whiterose Petal Tale Well, they had Jaune say "This team wouldn't be the same without you", though I guess he was talking about the group in general, not JNR in particular. He could join the team, but for that he'd need to actually interact with them.
If you want to make Salem look powerful, you'd need her to kill someone established as powerful, like Qrow, Ironwood or Winter. Though her killing Oscar wouldn't be bad.
@@MrRemicas I don't necessarily want him to be leader, but Team Orange fits a little too well. Ozpin could be the true leader
@Whiterose Petal Tale sheesh, what's with the hate boner for Oscar? He still has time to recover. And for all you know Oscar may not even see Salem face to face. Ozpin might just tell him "you need to get as far away from here as possible, or you're going to die" and he runs
@Whiterose Petal Tale I think it's more likely that the gang will either run away in the face of overwhelming power or we're gonna start having very serious casualties. Oscar's death wouldn't hit very hard: Ozpin will just move on to the next host, and the gang would only be a little sad. I can see the 8 kids fighting Tyrian cinder, neo, and mustache while the adults fight and die against Salem. Then the kids run away because they know they don't stand a chance
I’m so not involved with the fandom I had no idea people didn’t like him-
I loved him I can’t believe people hate him this much. Like I actually can’t wrap my mind around it, I realize his character has these awful problems but I’ve always thought of them as things that could be fixed where other people seem to be just wanting him to die without exploring these ideas. Like I can’t mentally grasp this way of thinking
He himself hasn't done anything bad to be hateble . It's the story that's the problem.
They don't hate him. It's his story that's the issue.
Omg it's Jakeneutron who worked in indigo park!
He needs development. He is always ignored and it's getting ridiculous. I've been praying that Oz is manipulating Oscar subtly or something by making him, for example, quickly reach a conclusive decision on what he needs to do at the farm and leaving quickly. But that's almost certainly wrong, and it seems like CRWBY just don't want to develop the poor farm boy
Treat the poor farm boy better RT, he deserves to be more than just Ozpin's glorified mouthpiece
He is treated right
@@ryanhughes6405 no
He's a 14 year old farmhand what else could he be besides a mouthpiece?
@@jamesmacleod9382 Some development and a REASON to be here. Maybe have an arc to show that his mind is his own
@@Blockyraps The Djinn said that Oz learned to make an accommodation for the lives of those he "occupied". At some point given the course of events, Oz will probably have to be in the drivers seat pretty well permanently. Even Oscar realizes this. His raison de etre is that he is the current parking place for Oz's soul just like Blake's book in Volume One about a man with two souls.
So we not gonna talk about how Qrow punched Oscar in the face, sent him flying into the tree, then Oscar has a small freak out, and
gets ignored for the whole rest of the shibang?
Apparently yes, the only who even attempts to apologize is Jaune and he gets brushed off.
the moment i heard "i love my precious farm child" i liked the video
and also it was a great video
MY SON
I hope M&K give him more attention, he doesn’t deserve to be a bad character. He’s just trying his best.
I want him to get more attention. But that's probably going to be with the attack on atlas. And ironwoods concerns about finding the truth about Salem.
Whilst I think tyrian will be a bigger part in this(rematch with qrow). neo maybe as well because she knows how to hack into atlas security when she secured roman.(or was that watts doing).
And the schnee family should have the biggest part (Jacques Weiss Whitley)
Do not disrespect my son or else he’ll make a casserole
On the contrary I am fighting for the farm child to be treated better
Unicorn of War - Thomas Vaccaro
thank you, that brings a tear down my face
What if I want a casserole? What about that?
Oscar still has potential! The writers better give him good scenes in V7.
if you disrespect the child you're going in the soup. I will personally travel to the world of rwby, and get oscar to help me stir the soup.
the cutest bestest most precious non-character
I want to compare him with a similar anime character, Yugi moto. Like oz and Oscar, Yami and Yugi are tied together and share a destiny. Unlike them, Yami and Yugi are both developed characters on their own and together. So it make it a little frustrating to see oz get all the development.
But Oscar does have an Arc, his name is Jaune! HEYOOOOOO!
I read this in Yang's voice! 😂
@@beaishere9927 How to unhear this!?
I really hope he encounters Whitley in Volume 7. Not only are they the same age but they're very good foils for one another. Id like to see them meet and for Oscar to help teach Whitely how to be a better person, and then for them to maybe become best friends? Then I feel like Oscar would finally be attached to another character and he could actually get some good moments by talking to Whitely about why he chose to left and how he feels and stuff. I just feel like Oscar needs someone close to him to vent his frustrations to. Blake has Yang, Ruby has Weiss, and Oscar has no one......
Huh... I never thought about that.
I actually REALLY like that idea. We need more friendly male characters, considering all we have is three at the moment and Qrow doesn't really interact with Jaune and Ren on-screen.
this is noice!. the farm kid who had to work hard all his life, and the rich kid who's now dealing with the pressure of being the heir of the schnee dust company, asking himself: how people can deal with this? and then, Oscar offers him to help him, listen to him. and then telling him that he can choose wether to stay there or help others. Whitley then gets a redemption arc, the rest of the group doesn't trust him, especially Weiss, but there's Oscar, having faith on his new ally and friend. (this sound more like a rich farmers fanfic, didn't know I could be such a romantic :v)
@@timeforweas2252 i feel like neo is more likely not going to backstab cinder than Whitley becoming good. He may be a victim but that what I will love about it. How summer Adam Raven and Whitley are victims. It shows the girls have a same experience with one other connecting each other.
Oscar has... Oz I guess
@@goggles8691 well yes, but no
Oscar no joke became a reason I had a very hard time liking my hero’s by the end of the last episode so far. Here we have a child being drafted into war, and told he’s got the equivalent of a fantasy version of Alzheimer’s and eventually this parasitic entity that’s latch itself to him is going to basically ‘kill’ his identity and replace it with his own. It’s never explained well how this exchange works but if our minds and identity is all we have, yah, and ancient wizard is going to grow in his mind until he’s the one wear the kids skin and the most nightmarish part of this is Oscar possibility will never be able to tell when it happens. On top of that everyone is showing little to no empathy what so ever or emotional support for this boy as it happens, and all attempts are shut down- like with How Qrow shut down Ruby. Could u imagine someone doing that to someone ? Imagine someone trying to give comfort to a child in a hospital, but their told to not bother- they need the kids organs so they are a lost cause. How fking cruel is this?! When we had the episode where he runs away I thought we were FINALLY going to have them address the GROSS mistreatment he was being subjected to all this time, see Oscar come to terms with his supposed fate, and yet-- nope, it is solved off screen and no one owns up to this BS and we move on to the next thing. I seriously was done. I will admit this got me more than it should, I’ll own that, due to having someone in my life die in this fashion and so I really got ticked they’d use such a similar analogy and not give it the proper attention it deserves. Oscars story could have be so much more, but maybe the horrors of existential death are best left up to the writers kike the ones in Nier Automata, and RWBY should stay in their own wheelhouse if they don’t know what to do with that. XD Thanks for making this video.
Lithiel The way everyone reacts so mildly makes me think the merge isn’t a big deal. Oz speaks of himself changing but he never addresses Oscar so perhaps there’s more in store for the farm boy.
@@jfduug4994 I am really hoping so.
6:08
Qrow: don't lie to him Ruby. We're better than that
*then they go on to lie to Ironwood's face and basically do what Ozpin did to them, which causes untold amounts of damage*
I think you're spot on that CRWBY are still needing to work on how to write for Oscar....keeping his key character development off camera is a weakness they gotta fix.
*Volume 7 Foreshadowing: "One day Mombi* visited a Crooked Magician called Dr. Nikidik, and purchased the Powder of Life from him, which she used to bring *Jack Pumpkinhead* to life. Tip created Jack to scare her, so as punishment Mombi brewed a potion that would turn Tip into a marble statue. That night, Tip ran away and took Jack with him. When *General Jinjur's* Army of Revolt conquered the Emerald City, Jinjur *feared that the deposed Scarecrow would return with the Tin Woodman* to take back the throne of the kingdom. Jinjur asked Mombi for help and she agreed, hoping to recapture Tip, who had joined the Scarecrow."
Poor kid needs a break
He’s been separated from his home
Emotionally and physically abused by friend and foe
Blamed for shit that isn’t his fault
Robbed of development by the writers in vol6
Got an ass beating from Neo
Was shot by Ironwood
Mauled by talking grim and got no help from his close by allies
And is now being tortured by Salem and Hazel
He been enduring all of this while thinking up a plan to create mutiny on Salem’s team while some of our main characters are having tea in a f*cking mansion.
I wonder if Oscar's real development will start with him bringing up how he really feels about his (seemingly) inevitable future. Maybe he could say that he truly does feel like he's in the backseat of his own life.
Qrow, Jaune and Oscar are like invading protagonists when team RWBY should be. I mean, think of a series that has main characters that can remind you of these three, i even have three separate franchises that have them as their "hero" of the story.
Edit: i don't even know if i explained myself correctly
Qrow has an acception
Qrow is awesome, Qrow is badass
Rain Drop qrow is drunk well used to be...
HES STILL BEST BIRB MAN WOOOOOO
Jaune and Qrow I understand, but Oscar. I think that’s a little to far
@@plusultra12001 Oscar is an everyman, hell he even lived in a farm before his call to adventure by a very powerful wizard that acts as his mentor
Voivoda Dracula I know who he is, I just don’t see why he hogs the spotlight from the main four protagonists and other deserving people
As its currently stands Oscar is nothing but a glorified WiFi connection to Ozpin. I don't like him but maybe V7 can actually make it feel like he actually matters.
"A glorified Wifi connection" XD
It feels like oz purposely uses him as a punching bag for villans
I s2g if they don't show any character development for Oscar onscreen in volume 7, I'm starting a riot
@Whiterose Petal Tale You can have multiple character arcs going on at the same time and it does seem like Salem is going to be more directly involved based off of the end-credits scene.
@Whiterose Petal Tale yeah and maybe ironwood finding out the truth. Otherwise I say its the schnees Salem and watts and tryian mainly.
Volume 8 Shot by james Thrown and thrashed around by a sentient hound force lightninged by salem and now beaten by hazel mercilessly
Oscar is a precious farm child... writing his character isn't good
Magda Nazarko the writers said they have a hard time writing characters with baggage. Oscar’s development right now is ALL dealing with his Ozpin baggage so that’s probably why they’re shying away from it - but they NEED to get over this block because not addressing it is probably making it worse. I have faith they’ll remedy this next volume but...... oof
I love how some people say they dropped RWBY after this Volume, but still take the time to bitch about it on Twitter. If you've seen Thomas or Hammertime's recent posts, you probably know what I'm talking about.
I mean expressing disappointment Is ok
But this is just disguised
@Anime Jesus. That's true. But it's been over a month since Volume 6 ended. It's kind of petty and disingenuous to say you're done with RWBY after this volume, but still shit on people for enjoying what the show is doing. What these people really should say is, "I've dropped RWBY. By that I mean, I'll still take every chance I get to call it garbage and explain why, but I'm done watching it."
You know, I think this is the best analogy I can make. It's like if you go to an Amusement Park and all you do is bitch and moan about how terrible it is. Whether it's to people who agree with you or not. You'll ride the rides and play the games, while complaining. Then you leave the park and say you'll never come back to this shitty place. But, turns out that just means you won't do anything at the amusement park. You'll still come back and complain about it to people who will or won't listen. You just won't ride the rides or play any games.
Am I missing out on more tea? I knew I shouldn't have gone to take a nap.
I think I sort of understand how they feel. They're questioning if they still want to keep watching the show after finding some things disappointing in Volume 6. They're probably going to continue watching stuff from the fanbase until they figure if they're still invested enough in the show when Volume 7 comes, and probably use that to decide if they should ever consider "undropping" the show. They're saying they dropped the show, but they aren't 100% committed to leaving the fandom itself. I felt the same way after Volume 5, and watched Volume 6 with some level of reluctance to find that it showed some improvements and some problems that still hadn't been fixed. I'm still not completely sure if I'm going to watch the show to it's entirety, but I like a lot of the content from the fandom produces on TH-cam, and that will probably keep me connected to the fandom even if I stopped watching new episodes and reactions to them.
Hmm.. what if for the character short for RWBY they make it about Oscar and they show each of the development scenes we missed from him, sorta like what we got with the Adam character short last year!
@Whiterose Petal Tale I'm more watts back story but I see why you want them.
@Whiterose Petal Tale ...ok sorry jeez you don't have to cuss at me it was just a suggestion.......
I feel like they're probably going to make a Qrow character short just to show off the new VA.
Whiterose Petal Tale How can he be overrated? He’s probably one of the most hated I mean just look at these YT comments
Whiterose Petal Tale That’s just mean
I think there might be an answer for crwby's problem of Oscar's character. I present, The Oscar Short! Ta Da
Anyone else realize ozpins background was teased the first night at beacon when blake was reading her book "a man with 2 souls" or is it just me?
I like him.
Y'know how in a lot of the lesser fairy tales, it starts with some guy out to see the world and make his fortune?
That's what Ozpin reminds me of. He's the generic hero, the Luke Skywalker on Tatooine. He's an homage to every farmboy with dreams of adventure.
As an homage to the generic hero, Oscar follows the Hero's journey. We see the call to adventure- the strange voice in his head. The refusal of the call- Oscar thinks he's going crazy. Meeting the mentor- Oscar gets to know Ozpin. The first threshold- asking Qrow for his cane back. Tests, allies, enemies- Oscar meets RWBY and RNJR, learns the basics of the plot, learns to fight, is tested by the revelation that Ozpin lies. His ordeal hasn't come yet.
When I started RWBY, I actually didn't really like Ozpin. He was too mysterious, vague, and shady. I wasn't too interested in him or getting to know him any better.
But when I was introduced to Oscar, I quickly fell in love. I was so intrigued by his potential and plot by having Oz in his head and their conflicting goals. That's why I enjoyed Upgrade, Be More Chill, Host, and Tales from the Borderlands. Having someone in your head who has a different goal that they need your body for. I love that shit. Probably my favorite type of story just because it's so entertaining and thought provoking. How the protagonist and the host treat each other, their battle for control, their end goal and how the achieve it, how the other prevents it. So I was instantly excited when I saw that Oscar would have this in a show I already enjoyed.
But then he just randomly agrees to help Ozpin, and without a goodbye which I thought was weird and disconnecting. And when me and my friend where watching the episode he returned after running away, we were deeply upset that not only did we not get any dialouge and scene with him battling having someone in his head ruining new friendships, we didn't even get to see how he got his new outfit! We paused and talked about how it felt weird and was very obvious that the writting just blew Oscar off and quickly wrote important things as a simple excuse. That it was obvious it was only revelant for future plot that he had a new look, but no real reason and explanation of how or why. And that he ran away because his feelings were hurt and he was struggling with another person in his head possibly destroying any real connection to the only people he knows in a place and combat he isn't familiar with, yet we didn't see how he dealt with those feelings and how it impacted his relationships, especially Jaune's.
He feels needed for the plot as he is the body Oz is hosting in, but his story, feelings, past, and role are just ignored and the opportunity to showcase his real potential is shadowed by Ozpin. It almost feels wasteful to be treating him as background until Ozpin is needed or they talk about Ozpin's plan and mistakes. He has so much potential, yet he barely has the opportunity to really show how important he is to the overall story.
I love that smol freckled farm boy, and it hurts my heart to see him be disregarded.
Triple A Same!!! I love this child, I love the idea of him conceptually and I think CRWBY has a good thing going with him and it’s driving me up the wall to see them smother it. I know “wasted potential” is kind of a tired phrase at this point but there’s truly so much they could do with this character. I could write you an essay on this character and why he’s already great (Ozpin’s foil, character design + color palette, his leitmotif) but none of that matters if the writing is sub par....
I want to see CRWBY do better. I know they can do better. He’s like a golden egg and I can’t believe they’re squandering it 😓
I feel that a great way to develop Oscar is having him interact with Jaune. Oscar's the only person in the group who could see Jaune as the capable warrior and strategist he is now compared to the vomit boy we knew him as. They could talk about how they both left their farms to save the world and Jaune could teach him how to sword fight, just like Pyrrha taught him. Honestly, the biggest problem with Oscar is that his fate is more or less sealed, he will either die or become Ozpin, so why care about him?
Kazemaru 8 Because he won’t become Ozpin.
The character is interesting because of THAT. He will disappear no matter what, he is a stepladder for Ozpin but did he really want that ? Did he really want to be just a stepladder ? I don't think so. And there are so many things to tell with him and that situation that he is living because it hapenned without his consent.
I like Oscar but I really wish he got more development ON SCREEN..
Sign a petiton for me to get some on screen development
Signed
I’ve always assumed that ozpin won’t take over when their souls merge but ozpin will disappear and Oscar will become the main dominant personality with ozpins memories and experiences
But does that not fly against what the God of light said, that ozma would reincarnate until they have been summoned and humanity has been United?
Besides if it was only the memories, would it not mean that Salem slept and had children with a total stranger who knew her former lover through inherited memories
oscar is the best little cinnamon roll ever- *if he dies i will stop watching rwby*
edit: 1:29 - i watched this part over and over ahaha
Custard Cringe I AGREE- and same 😂
I really like Oscar, he's adorable and has incredible potential with the whole Oscar/ozpin dynamic.
But I agree with your points, please let him have more on screen relevance! We are given just enough, that I don't find it disappointing, but with all that potential i really hope for much more. This season was really good, it gave characters like Ruby, Ozpin and Crow the development they needed. So I hope Oscar can get the focus he deserves next season
5:51 we all seen yu gi oh, so we used to a 5000+ years old man possessing a teenager boy.
Cept there was no mention of the pharaoh merging
@@KawaiiJackHonne that's fair
You know, I think I've mentioned this before, but I get the feeling you don't like Ozpin much XD
Maybe Oscar’s story irrelevance is the story actively killing Oscar. Form the beginning the story is not letting us see what Oscar chooses to do. When faced with his first challenge of getting a ticket, Oscar is robbed of finding his own solution to the problem.
Oscar is going to become increasingly irrelevant to story tell he is ripped apart completely only leaving another body for Ozpin control.
Jett Gray I hope not, I would love to see him grow and make his choices to set apart that he is his own character, just as much as Ozpin is.
I hate how right you are. I really like the concept of Oscar, but you're right-- they dont give him anything as far as an actual arc.
I mean, I actually feel like Salem got the rough end of the stick for most of the backstory.
The gods are the real villains of the series, TBH.
DatCameraMON even then I can see a lot of interesting potential in the Gods too. It’s clear the younger brother is jealous of the attention his older brother gets and I’m willing to bet the GoL is a dick because he allowed all the attention he receives to go to his head.
@@jfduug4994 The GOL doesn't act like someone who let attention go to their head. Nor does he act like a dick.
I could see the god of darkness possibly saving humanity as all he really seemed to want was to be worshipped, what better way to get people to like you if you literally save their lives
I like the God of Darkness more because at least he is more open about how much of a dick he is, the God of Light acts all high and mighty when he is no better than Salem or his brother.
@@gordonchell4364 No better than Salem? No better than his bother!? Fucking how?
I know oscar is gonna be important i know it it just needs time
Mick_ Gaming He’s going to be the last Ozma reincarnation, it’s so obvious :D The colors Ozma wore were literally Oscar Gold and Pine Green plus Oscar’s emblem is a sword which is what Ozma fought with. They literally even had the same voice actor and similar skin and hair tones. To me, this is too specific to be a coincidence. Oscar will be the last Ozma reincarnation.
@@jfduug4994 Ozma fought with a scepter, not a sword.
It makes me made mad that they miss out on so many opportunities to work on his character. You stated some really valid points that I would have loved to see done. And done right.
The problem with Oscar is that he's a fantastic character with a good character arc and interesting powe- hey! Why are you moving the camera away?
NOOO! Bring that camera back!!
Oscar didnt leave because of oz.
He was tired of his aunt
"What are we having?"
"Doesn't matter youre eating it anyway"
"I didnt agree to those conditions"
"They're a part of the living under my roof conditions."
(Tell me i got that right
The idea of it being Oz who compelled him to leave the farm would further deepen Oz's already questionable "greater good" mentality. Though in regards to characters talking past Oscar to Oz makes sense and is part of the disturbing implications of what Oz is doing since Crow isn't sugarcoating it much that Oscar is for most extents a vessel now. It might end up a slow burn but what needs to happen is the characters maturing into a place that they can go rogue from this cycle Oz and Salem have going, Oscar has every right to be pissed and needs to put his foot down that "this" isn't right nor should Ruby and others remain in a place that they let it go "for the greater good" cause Ozpin DOES need to be stopped since we've seen the wrecks of people from the previous generation in Raven and Crow that he has left in his wake. This sort of breaking the cycle arch has been done and could be very interesting, Ruby would fit the sort of agent to pursue breaking what she sees as an unfair and unjust cycle because she would see past the morally grey to the black and white of the matter with her simple mindset and be able to say "this is wrong"...BUT she has to mature past her current even more simple superhero mindset which gives out the standard hero speeches, and the mindset that Oz has probably used most to continue his continued war with Salem since that mindset has tunnel vision of the obvious evil and doesn't realize or perhaps rationalizes the less savory aspects of the cause their fighting for.
Only furthers the case against Ozpin that those that break from this mind and refuse to rationalize either go blue screen of death from the revelation and join Salem out of sheer enraged spite, or say FU to him and the world, or drink themselves into a hole to help them go along with it cause their too aware of the realities of what their doing.
Sorry if that turned into a rant, I do enjoy the sort of false good vs evil cycle being exposed narrative and seeing the characters forced to not just deal with the evil but with the truth and reality of their own side. But there does need to evidently be a pay off of the status quo of the cycle either being changed or destroyed.
And where are his parents??? Where????
What did they think of him just up and leaving?????
??????
"Hey aunt, this voice in my head is telling me to go save the world. I have no idea what's going on, but I'm leaving for good now."
"OK, Oscar, have fun! Bye!"
I need to know what happened.
@@bskec2177 I really like the idea that his parents died in the war. It'd give more power to his "the world is about to go to WAR again! How are you okay with any of this?" (He made some great points, tbh - that Ruby monologue felt so out of place for that conversation)
@@bskec2177 oh wow good point. I gotta bush up on my remnant history XD I just heard that theory in passing
BSKE C I have a potato theory that his parents were attacked by Grimm and so was Oscar, maybe he’s hiding some scars under those neck bandages
*in a country English accent* "the greater good..."
SHUT IT!
Thomas: "Oscar has no fear of one day facing off against Salem and her forces and possibly dying horrificly"
Oscar in V8: "I'm scared"
When i first saw oscar this was my reaction
Me: * drinks hot chocolate * I just protect this child with my life!!!!!!
:D
Just came to this video after watching volume 7. Sorry I'm a year late! I think volume 7 did give Oscar more attention, I like his scenes with General Ironwood especially but he still has similar issues. He really needs more attention and it's frustrating because I want to see more, but he's kind of just shoved off to the side.
With the way volume 7 ended hopefully they’ll give Oscar the screen time he deserves to develop more bc I like how they ended the story for his character in volume 7
this child is slowly getting his life and individuality sucked out of him and merged into some old man's soul against his will. that should leave room for good character growth, clarity and development.
I feel that If they gave Oscar all the moments his character needs/needed, then he could be one of my favorite characters.
Great points. Love this video. Your efforts matter, Tom.
I agree. And Oscar is barely even in volume 7! Like, Come On Rooster Teeth! I want more moments involving Oscar as a character!
One thing you didn't mention that made me super angry from this most recent volume was that he has one moment that could have been him actually getting agency (him taking control of the crashing plane), but then they just had to come in and say "NOPE OZPIN DID IT. OSCAR JUST WATCHED." Like come on people, let him do just *one thing*
I think it's really interesting how Ruby was the youngest member of the main cast and constantly had to learn how to be as mature as those around her and to put her life at risk just like they did. She had people to look out for her. Now that Oscar is two years younger than Ruby about (and presumably 3-4 years younger than the rest) they're really missing an opportunity to use him as a bit of a foil for Ruby in terms of how they deal with their new situations. He deserves better.
Check out what they really think series it makes his character so much better
Maybe they weren’t showing any of his big scenes because they’re saving them for a character short 🤔
Something I've been considering for a while now: What if Oscar really isn't MEANT to have some big role in defeating Salem? RWBY in general has done a lot to subvert/deconstruct a lot of classic character archetypes. What if Oscar is basically a massive subversion of the whole 'Chosen One' archetype? He's a Chosen One who didn't actually need to be chosen.
The Chosen One is always the only one who can save the day, but here that isn't the case because RWBY are the main heroines who are going to save the world. What if the point of Oscar's character is that he got CHOSEN and roped into this huge battle of good vs evil nearly against his will, only to find that there are way more capable people already on the job and he's in way over his head. He doesn't have the years of training, raw skill and talent that RWBY+JNR+Q do and he doesn't have Protagonist-cheat-codes to make up the difference. Plus it turns out the guy who 'chose' him might have been in the wrong to begin with, so now he's basically stuck in this bad situation with no easy way out. The reason we don't see Oscar's development in Volume 4 might be because his real character arc is him trying to find a place and role he can help, and maybe eventually realizing he doesn't have a place in this fight.
Also, Oscar is ultimately a supporting character, and developing main characters (Team RWBY) should overall take priority over developing side characters, especially in a show like this where screen-time is at a premium.
finaldarkfire it’s a good theory but the problem with that is CRWBY legitimately said that Oscar’s fighting level is the same as Mercury and Emerald. So that kind of takes the “but he’s not capable and he’s way over his head theory.”
Like wtf, sorry Oscar you’re a sweetie but no way he’s on the same level as Mercury, who is arguably better than even Yang.
finaldarkfire Seems a lot like Spy Kids 3 with “The Guy.”
But honestly, Oscar was given potential with Ozpin. Ozpin will eventually assimilate Oscar. They gave Oscar something for us to he interested in. We want to see more with him based on that. But we can’t care for Oscar if we don’t get more depth with him.
I keep forgetting that he’s there until he uses his words.
He has so potential and writers aren't using him properly. With how the writers have been doing rwby I doubt he will get development
I love Oscar!!! He is my baby boy!!!
You know what will help Oscars development!! Ironwood shooting him in the fricking chest! And sending him down to his death without a second thought. Makes sense
... oz is laughing...
Me throughout the entire video:
EMO PHASE! EMO PHASE! EMO PHASE!
small correction on your last sentence: Ruby did get focus in the second half of V3, which V4 never followed properly up on, unfortunately
Oh God it just clicked! Ok so I was rewatching vol3 and at the end Salem is monologuing (to ozpin) and mentions his smaller more simple soul ( like the song) this foreshadows imo that oscar(ozpin's smaller soul) is key to Salem's defeat. Victory is in a simple soul!
No, that was about Ruby.
You can grab all the time the producction gives to all those Bumblebee moments and use thdm insted on my boy having some develoment on screen
Oscar is only Ozpin's meat suit
Oscar is too pure for this fucked world
The offscreen arcs stuff made me more invested into oscar
I agree, I do love Oscar but he mostly is in the background a majority of the time. The focus is mostly on Ozpin. Let the farm child have his moments!
Ha! Who needs *onscreen development* when you have missing scene fics??!??!?
Oscar character short that'd be interesting if done right though...Also I wish it was Ozpin taking control but maybe pretending to be Oscar and see how the group reacts by dropping little hints of to see if they had calmed down a bit...
I know this is a video more focused on Oscar (by the way good video), I should probably address a sort of issue I have with Ozpin that hasn't been talked about.
Ozpin/Ozma has what I like to call the "Rose Quartz" problem. In that despite the story/arc being about taking someone off a pedestal, the story (and even the writers) don't seem willing to do that. And while they have tried to fix that problem in Volume 6 with his backstory with Salem, it still feels like he was brought in for the ride than being an active part in the story. Luckily everyone does get pissed off at Ozpin and is actually framed to be justified (which is honestly a relief to see an outburst feel right and not framed by the story to be wrong).
I like Oscar but its says a lot when Crumbling Cube a parody TH-cam channel can give Oscar more character developing with the 'What Oscar really thinks' series while Roosterteeth hasn't been able to do that
It's a head scratcher for sure. On one end of the character development spectrum you have Weiss. Someone who over the course of the entire series changes as a person through the experiences she has. Then there's Ruby who stays more or less the same, because she's pigeon-holed into being "a simple soul" and blasts out these protagonist speeches like it's her actual semblance or something. Lindsay's hinted at this, but I think she's dead on. Ruby needs a breaking-point moment (which IMO should've been this volume.) Oh right back to farmboi. SO CLOSE. All they needed was that in between scene of him leaving the house and turning back up with the casserole. It's not that they don't know how to do character development, they just choose to not prioritize it.
Crumbling Cube It’s a shame too. I love Oscar, I like the idea of him conceptually. I love this show, I want to believe that CRWBY can do better.
Oscar is probably my favorite character, but I wish he was more than a cute little boy and a vessel for the spooky backstory.
This is making me want to watch the entirety of RWBY again and write internal conflict/thoughts/monologue for Oscar so he can have some sort of emotional progression/journey we can see.
I mean, imagine being a humble, teenage farmboy who one day gets possessed by a thousands years old reincarnating entity that tells you he will one day take over and your entire life and own identity will be gone.
And the reason they took over your body is because they have to defeat the villain of the entire world who has also existed for millennia, is ultra-evil, and immortal/CANNOT BE KILLED (so how are you supposed to beat an unbeatable villain?).
And to make it even MORE complicated and fucked up, this villain is your possessor's yandere ex-wife (so just "fuck my life" I guess).
And you're a TEENAGER.
This is TERRIFYING.
I mean, on a regular human level, dying is enough existential crisis in and of itself for a person to deal with, let alone a teenager.
But then having your entire being be taken over by someone else
- knowing this ultimate merging is inevitable
- feeling your identity slip away more and more as time goes on, your life becoming less of you and more of them as your own personhood begins to fade into oblivion
- and you can't stop it, and you can FEEL IT HAPPENING slowly, bit by bit (it's not all at once, it's a long process)
It's for "the greater good," but what's YOUR greater good? (Like Oz, I get it, greater good and all that, but can you just let Oscar KEEP his soul and identity? Please? Can you guys just share his body?)
Like, how do you even BEGIN to come to any sort of personal resolution with a lifelong trauma as all-consuming as that?
The only reason I'm not attempting to write a scenario for Oscar's inner monologue now is because I've forgotten a lot of the cities and plot points and what happened and where and why, but like,
Our boy deserves justice. 💚
Yes, this is an extremely OLD video BUT, I wanna say that I feel there's a prime opportunity to use the current missteps to the story's advantage.
Showing his sudden shifts as a factor of the merge and thus something Oscar himself didn't get to choose to change about himself could emphasize the inherent disturbing nature of this reincarnation cycle.
He was begging Ozpin to get out of his head, it tracks that one of the few things that could convince him is Ozpin's (and, in turn all of the "Ozs") own force of will.
There are few characters in RWBY I liked after Volume 1, even fewer I didn't straight up hate. I didn't like Ozpin because of the "Side" I was on at the time, but even with a fresh perspective, a character being "precious" isn't exactly something I can contribute to my liking or disliking of him, as it's just a matter of his personality. Oscar was never a character to me, he was a vehicle for the writers to make the Headmaster NOT be the Headmaster anymore. You can tell via the foreshadowing in Volumes 1, 2, and 3 that a lot of volumes 4 and 5 were made on the spot, and the writing changed drastically from what was the first draft.
If Oscar didn't have such a massive precedent in the story, I wouldn't have a problem, but right now he's the PRIMARY Hero, not protagonist, hero. He is Ozpin, he is Salem's eternal enemy. Ruby and or Jaune may be the Protagonists, but their stories have had more time to develop, whereas Oscar thus far hasn't existed outside of "I am Ozpin, but not Ozpin" as if there's supposed to be a well-fleshed out conflict between that.
Ozpin is one of my current favorite characters in fiction simply for HOW LUDICROUSLY HORRIBLE HIS FUCK UPS HAVE BEEN. And yet, the inception of it all wasn't even his fault. I liken him to Jellal from Fairy Tail(who is conversely one of my least favorite characters in fiction), a guy who makes mistakes and has a multitude of things he's guilty for, but at the same time he takes his guilt to an unnecessary extreme, making him a highly self-deprecating character who the writer(s) never allow a moment of happiness to. Where Jellal didn't make mistakes, Ozpin very much did, but the guilt both feel over things that often weren't directly their fault is colossal compared to the guilt they ought to feel over the things they DID fuck up.
The one thing they could do to literally fix Oscar's problems is to give him agency. SEPARATE HIM FROM THE MAIN CAST. Have him attempt to fix Ozpin's fuckups slowly over time, and maybe come to realize just how difficult things are.
Oscar:
how to mishandle a character over 3 seasons 101
writing-wise, Ozpin should have possessed Jaune. It adds weight to Jaune's character, works to make oz shitty, and lends credence to Jaune's leadership abilities.
Unicorn of War turned into Diamanda Hagan for a moment at the start XD Hail Hagan!
I think the problem is that, no matter what RT does, we're beyond the threshold of first impressions. RT has had 3 Volume to develop him and they barely did anything. They looked like they might go somewhere in V6 only to backtrack to him being stale. Whatever subplot RT had planned for Oscar is not going to get the reaction they think it's going to get.
I think the best thing for RT to do, at this point, is have Ozpin become the more prevalent one of the two. Perhaps, in V7, they can have a moment where Oscar is completely useless and can't do anything to help the team forcing him to make a deal with Ozpin. They can easily have it to where Oscar comes out every once in a while when Ozpin needs to rest but Ozpin is around most of the time and, of course, the deal can be that Oscar is willing to let Ozpin use his body until Salem is defeated which he will want Ozpin to be gone. Even adding the threat that Oscar will force control back and kill himself if he finds Ozpin doing anything shady or even gets the faint hint that Ozpin will not fulfill his end of the bargain. This could force Ozpin to stop being shady and start being more open possibly leading to some development for Ozpin. Oscar will get to show he truly isn't just a fleshbag for Ozpin and is willing to end his own life if Ozpin tries anything and Ozpin is force into a situation where he can't easily lie or keep secrets.
The only thing I would have to say is possibly give a nerf to Ozpin since Oscar shouldn't be in such a state where Ozpin can do everything he did during the Battle of Haven. Again this is just a broad suggestion but I really do feel like Oscar is at the Cinder stage where, no matter what they do, they won't be able to make Oscar a good character due to all the mishaps of the past 3 volumes.
I love Oscar but yes, your points are very valid
Oscar Character short aka all the offscreen character development
Glad I'm not the first person to realize that Oscar is basically the Disney Princess of RWBY. But with a creepy old man in his head.
STOP DEVELOPING MY CHILD OFF SCREEN YOU DOLTS
Will you be doing this for the other characters, like a "What to do next" video?
I had kind of assumed that Ozpin was exerting some kind of control over him even when he's not literally in control of the body. I expected that at some point it would be revealed that he never did make the choice to leave his farm but in fact that was ozpin kind of forcing his hand and that maybe it was never even oscar talking to them, but idk if that could work after season 6.
Here is what I am hoping for Oscar in the future. I am hoping that Oscar will become more reckless and desperate to beat Salem for good. Maybe he will also make the same mistakes Ozpin made and hide stuff from the group. Maybe he will lose trust in them when Yang tells everyone that she knew Raven was the spring maiden the whole time. After all why should he trust them if they can't trust each other?
Remember when people were hellbent on theorizing that Oscar was the Spring Maiden even though he's a boy?
What if ozpin took over his body when he left
I thought part of Oscar’s character was that he didn’t have any real choice in the matter. “I never asked for this.” etc. His struggle, in my eyes at least, is in trying to maintain and hold onto his free will, he doesn’t trust oz, I wouldn’t blame him for completely hating Oz for all the shadiness and deception and complete lack of informed choice with any other real option. It’s taking the previous theme of choice and flipping it, with Oscar just caught up in some grand destiny that he has to follow.