Waxing on top of a Ceramic Coating - Fantastic or Flawed ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video we try and answer whether you should you put a wax on top of a ceramic coating....
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I don’t have a full blown ceramic on at present but do have Gyeon Can Coat which has a lot of the coating properties. I have noticed that the car does stay cleaner and if it’s rained over night and the car was a bit dusty etc, if I blow it dry the rain water takes the dust with it and the car looks like I’ve done a full wash. If I stuck a wax on top, it would look great but I’d lose those excellent properties that Can Coat gives me.
This guy is the first one I have seen that accurately explains this. Better than Autogeek, AMMO, Esoteric, etc. Thank you for making this video.
Thanks. I'm just using Reload on top of my coating. It's super quick and easy and, like you say, topping up the coat a bit.
You are correct Jon, it really is an unknown but the affect of wax on CC depends on what you do.
I have CC and do like to wax it every couple of months, as you state, some like to. I have a tub of Swissvax and a little goes a very long way on the car. Even on the PPF too. It looks good and gives it everything about waxing you like.
With so little wax needed, I do not see how the wax has affected the CC. Taking into account the CC life is 18-24 months I think this is another consideration it is OK to wax. only my opinion.
Great video, I believe the layering / topper coatings pushed by many are a saleman's dream. I wish we could see at the molecular level a coating and any 'layering effect' to prove or disprove once and for all!
All carnuba based waxes have a very mild abrasive by the very nature of the natural nuba product. Some brands advertise this by saying that these are cleaner waxes. So putting a nuba based cleaner wax on top of a coating will actually degrade the coating slightly. With synthetic waxes you have to watch out for the carrier but in general they are safer. Probably another thing to add is compatibility, wax will stick to anything but for how long? Eg opticost (sealant) will last few months on well prepared surface but on coated car as a topper it will barely do 1m.
Can’t thank you enough for talking about this. Did a large correction on my car a bit ago and sealed it with a coating, I love the process of waxing my car so I wanted to know what kind of cons I would see. Of course I would be covering up the benefits of ceramic.
I must admit I do it for a car show or display. As I know the Carnauba will be gone after a few weeks. It gives an incredible wet look.
The only coating that really works with a wax is Ammo Reflex. Then a layer of Ammo Skin then Carnauba for special events. Works perfect.
sales guy for ammo?
Sounds good in Theory! Actually I receive lots of compliments on my color & I do layers. I start with a Ceramic coat, then I apply a glaze, & then a Sealant! I top it off with my favorite quality wax, & then my absolute favorite detail spray 😁🤭🥸
Honestly cant believe all the compliments I receive!
I applied Carpro UK 3.0 (2 layers) + carpro gliss . I'm very happy with these products. Good video!!!
Was 30ml enough for 2 coats?
Can I use ceramic detailer or hybrid ceramic wax on it?
thanks, i will heed your advice and not put a laying of wax/sealang over the cquartz. Rather i will apply the 'youtube' suggested two or three coats of cquartz which i recently purchased. Also, i enjoy your videos because you include the whys and wherefores based on facts and your experience. i will continue to look for your valued assistance in my newly acquired desire to maintain the surfaces of my cars. thanks again
The idea of leaving it a year or so between giving my car's paint some love is never going to happen, I enjoy the whole process of cleaning my car. Using a coating and expecting to do nothing else for months afterwards removes the fun in trying new waxes and other products. Plus the depth of gloss and shine you get from some waxes far outweigh the somewhat sterile look a lot of coatings leave behind. For wheels though, CC's are definitely the way to go.
Exactly. Believe me ... I have the same feeling
I know someone who has the Gyeon Syncro kit on his car. He tried putting a wax on top of the ‘skin’ (top coat) and found lot’s of problems for the wax to cure. It was as if the coating wouldn’t let it bond to the surface properly.
Excellent and highly enlightening video on a subject that few people know
This all makes sense, great video. I've had good luck applying (certain and verify specific) ceramic SIO2 based liquid or paste products over the top of SIO2 ceramic coatings. As a maintenance topper so to speak. As long as the product on top matches the makeup and performance characteristics of the coating (SIO2 to SIO2 for example). Otherwise (as you stated) your just masking or possibly degrading the coating. Fusso is great (on its own) but yeah I don't think I'd put a heavy solvent based PTFE over a ceramic coating. As you stated to each his own and it won’t blow up if you do (lol).
Thats the whole point for a coating, its superior properties over waxes/sealants. Ive never understood why people would do this
Well done. I have Car Pro ceramic coating on my car. I do like the water shedding capabilities of the Fusso coat over the Car Pro. I rather have the water beads rolling of the car versus collecting on the surface. I will have to experiment this combination.
Great video once again! I've learned so much from your videos! If I could ask for some advice, I've heard about some detailers combining sealants with a wax but not all sealants bond with all waxes. On your best of 2017 video you recommend Tac Systems Moonshine and Angelwax Enigma as the best sealant and wax. My question is, seeing as both products have ceramic (SiO2) qualities, would I be able to use the Moonshine as a "base layer" with the Enigma as the "top coat"?
Excellent video John. I have a Teflon coating on my Nissan that is nearly six years old. Would it be ok to apply Fusso Light (as it is White Pearle Metallic) over the Teflon coating, or should I just stick with something like Chemical Guys 3X Hardcore Carnauba Paste Wax or Collinite 845? Cheers.
Thanks for the explaination. Makes so much sense what you're saying. I guess if I want enhanced protection, I could just put two layers of CC.
great video
the answer i was looking for
i think i will stick with topping my optimum gloss coat with opti seal and there spray wax
I don't actually think that coating integrity will be affected by wax if it's supposedly meant to protect against harsh conditions but I'll surely agree that the water behavior will follow those of the wax. And also I have coated and non coated car. I still was the coated car for that extra gloss and I feel that wax hold up a bit better against bird droppings and even if there is etching it can be easily removed. One more thing is that I believe that the coating will act as a great buffer layer to protect the origibak paint. Really just the extra depth from the wax.
impossible to really test though is it... Just feel that a mineral spirit sitting on a coating cant help it.
I appreciate all the fantastic videos! What do you think about Gyeon's instructions to put a coat of wax on new Mohs coatings to protect from water spots? I always thought it odd, but it doesn't seem like they would put it in the instructions if it could compromise the coating
I didnt know gyeon advised this. MOHS on its own from what Ive seen of it has little repellency.. but its a hard and durable (just hard to be able to see it) so maybe gyeon thought it would compliment their product... not sure on this one to be honest.
I have been using Fusso Coat on just about everything except windows. FC doesn't show the amazing performance like the beading ceramic coats do, but it is really close especially the durability of Fusso coat. On wheels, i do still need to agitate the ( track pads ) brake dust that has built up more in certain sections of the wheels with a brush or a mitt while wiping off clean using car soap and not citrus cleaners. I'd still like to try CC's though.
Thank you, an answer to the exact question I asked a month or so ago - EXCELLENT!
Excellent info. Thanks for enlightening me about auto ceramic even more so. Watching other videos on this subject, I'm really learning that if you have a great quality auto ceramic product, you don't need to apply polish or wax on top of it. If you feel you have to do that, then maybe the brand of auto ceramic was not a good quality brand. So going forward I will focus on only purchasing top notch high quality auto ceramic instead of any cheap low price stuff I see. Thanks for the insight. 👍
Can I use the turtle wax hybrid ceramic spray on a ceramic coated car??
Also wondering aswel..
Is a spray coating (Turtle wax ceramic hybrid)a "good" topcoating for ceramic coatings? I was planning on using it and top the coating off every 6 months or so. Is it reasonable to consider it or is it not worth it?
Great channel 👍!
A quick question.. I indend to apply cquk ceramic to my vehicle, with a gliss finisher. I understand and appreciate all that you say about applying paste wax to a ceramic treated car, but what about a product like turtle wax ice seal and shine spray wax as a periodic treatment?? My reasons are I like to use this product following the great reviews it has, and it's very quick to apply and buff off.. The other reason is I am reluctant to use over priced (in my view..) reload products, and don't fancy a bi-annual compounding and polishing session to prepare for a new ceramic coating. If it's compatible, wouldn't a product like this enhance the longevity of the ceramic coating if the spray wax was lightly applied periodically? I accept the wax will not bond to the treated vehicle in a 'normal' way, but really interested to hear yours, or anybody else's views on this. Many thanks in advance 👍👍
I too use those products a d wondering the same. I use seal n shine weekly as drying aid. It's great and cheap
The problem with ceramic coatings, is you can get it on ebay for $5, and they sell like lotto tickets. Lot of hype as with all products, and a lot of guys getting kick backs on their channels for posting links and where to buy. The hype is greed that saturates the market, knowing that 90% of products are all the same, just a different label and markup. The auto detail industry has the best marketing in the world, and it just rips off the normal consumer
Is it the same for applying a wax such as collinite 845 over a sealant like menzerna powerlock ? Many swear by that combo. What are your thoughts??
Great Video Jon. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Carpro U.K and angelwax enigma is the best combination. Enigma made the paint feel smooth and soft.
Jon great videos just watched 4 in a row, quick question are there any products out there will make me cat slightly darker have a carbon black bmw and wish Is was a darker black any thoughts. Many thanks
4! holy shit and your still awake... thats a world record, one guy got to 3 once but he was never quite the same, but like pappillion after a 5 years stretch in solitary...
darker.. hmm yes.. but not by much mate.. Ive seen and measured the ability for prroducts to literally increase darkness on a color spectrometer.. lol Im not even bullshitting, I really did this once at autoglim. but the amount they generally darken is tiny. what you want is gloss mate good old fashioned poping gloss with black, and as little swirls as you can because they show up easily on black. If your not into the whole 300 days machine polishing thing.. just a good gentle decon every 6 months and nice abrasive rubbing off poorboys blackhole over the paintwork followe by a wax will work wonders... If you want to go high tech check out silica primer polish (can be used by hand) and after the primer polish a nice silica sealant (have a look at the tac systems non ceramic silica coatings). other than that try not to scratch the paint. darkening is not what you want.. to darken you would have to put product on clearcoat which "darkens" but what you want is the clearcoat to be nice and poping so the color coat below it is displayed as best as it can be.
Cracking video, sub'd. Would your thoughts apply to a wet sio2 product e.g. geyone wet coat with wax in top? I was going to put meguiaris ultimate paste wax on top which is synthetic I believe. Thanks
Hi. Great informative video. Where did you buy the handheld orbital polisher in the background?
.. they are all available from in2detailing though I think... if not try clean and shiny or slims.
Thanks man! Cheers.
Jon I've noticed in a few of your videos the audio has been a bit muffled. Issue with your camera?
Hi Jon, I wonder if the same warnings apply for Turtle Wax Graphene Ceramic paste wax, Flex Wax, Max Wax, Pure Shine and McKee's Graphene Wax? I always hear them marketed as waxes that can be used on top of ceramic coatings, but it seems some or all of these still contain traditional wax ingredients like carnauba?
yes, key question can these waxes deliver you the same qualities of a ceramic coating in terms of self cleaning. if not are you hampering the coating by putting them on?
@@ForensicDetailing Insightful, thank you! But given that, wouldn't any topper, whether ceramic, polymer-based, graphene, wax, etc. possibly hamper the properties of the original coating? Or are there toppers we can safely apply without that sort of interference? I'm looking for a topper for extra gloss but I'm also hoping to keep the base coat alive for longer. I was told using toppers would help with longevity of base coat.
Good afternoon) Hello from Russia) Thank you so much for your videos. I want to ask about this topic. In one of the videos you recommended combining Tac System Moon Light and Shinee Wax. Does that make sense? And another question. If MoonLight is replaced by Gyeon Wet Coat ? Will it be okay? Thanks)
Moon light is replace by gyeon cancoat Evo m8. Yer SHINee wax is a nice topper fif both my friend
Thanks a lot!)
Try CarPro Essence Plus over a (SiO2-based) ceramic coating! It really adds visible depth and some gloss - even though if your coating is still intact, the difference in gloss per se will be hard to spot, even if you're comparing adjacent panels. And it lacks most of the drawbacks of classic waxes, as it is more durable and its carrier system is more compatible with the ceramic coatings.
these are like the primer polish.. bit like gyeon primer right gabor?
any idea what format or what is the material in these products thats layed out.
No, Jon, that's Essence, without the Plus. Essence Plus, however, is strictly a topper (like a wax, a glaze, etc), and can not be used as a primer. I know the names are confusing, and I have no clue why CarPro chose to go with these... but that's how it is. Anyway, CarPro advertises Essence Plus as non-abrasive compound, that you can use to repair damaged ceramic coatings. In my experience it does a lousy job at that, but it really works well as a standalone glaze or a topper for ceramic coatings. It needs to cure a few days in the sunlight before it exposes its full "power", but it really adds shine to the coating, makes it slicker, and also has very good water beading properties. It's thicker and seems to last far longer than for ex. Reload - which you can still apply on top of it, if you want to.
John what would you say to angel wax enigma on top of a ceramic.? Is there still a detrimental effect?
hey chris someone asked the same higher up have a read m8
What kind of battery powered orbital is that? Can you give me the info.
Jon, im about to get Williams F1 ceramic coating done on my car from my dealership, is it safe to put a layer of Tac systems Moonlight on it and then some Shinee Wax to keep the gloss? What good foam wash should I use in my weekly wash? thanks bud
Hi ya, Yes and yes. But use moonlight later on when the coating looks a bit tired. You can use car pro reset to wash it that will work well.
I drive a silver Ford truck that is coated. I usually use a carnauba spray wax after washing it. Not for protection but because I think it makes the light color look deeper and richer. I do notice that it has a layer of dust fairly quickly though and it seems to stick. Maybe I’ll try not using the wax for a while to see if I notice a difference.
Chuck check out Gyeon wetcoat or Gyeon cure. And mix down cure with some distilled water like you can with reload...
I will check that out.
Chuck Walker mix 1 part of reload 1part of car pro ech2o and between 10 and 15 parts water. Use it as drying aid.. you will love it
Hi John - the point you made around the 4 minute mark really caught my attention. A lot of these toppers are water based toppers. Ceramic coatings are hydrophobic. How in God's name does this work? Have you done any testing on the longevity/bonding ability of toppers? I'm extremely skeptical of them and I'd love to hear your input
a lot of times that contain a cationic component which is also used as a binder for the SI02. This component is drawn to the clearcoat, while the water is simply carrier which evaporates. but yes if the surface is very hydrophobic it does effect the carrier and potentially effect application. But you could like load up the product into an apoplicator and spread over surface this way for example. they work though for sure and they can bond ontop of the coating.
I have purchased several CQuartz kits totaling 200 ml from CarPro. I am still trying to gather knowledge before using the product on my new Z06 and several other cars. My question is: what preparation is needed maybe two years from when the paint was first treated to refresh or renew the ceramic coating? Does the existing coating get buffed off or chemically removed, or is the new application of ceramic coating just applied on top of the existing coating?
Polishing the paint will remove any and all coatings still present. And you will want to do it anyway, because if you don't, your paint will not look its best, and the coating will trouble bonding to it. I also suggest you do claybaring, because in two years time a lot of contaminants have been embedded in your coating/paint, which again, will ruin your finish, if not being taken care of.
What about a wax over a sealant? I just machine polished my car and applied fusso coat then petes 53 wax. My thought was that the wax doesn't last as long so when that goes you have another layer of protectant which lasts for months before reapplying.
Need to get some trim dressing as all that compound / polish went a little on it. Been showed insta finish by the slim's team and they tried it on my faded door handle and it brought the finish back. Something I think you should look at Jon
Zain K you can put petes 53 on top of fusso. I have recently tried it with no probs. Waxes tend to stick to anything. Mind you petes 53 is more of a show wax so it will not last long time, it is slightly less durable on top of sealant but works no problem. I get about 4wks out of it. Another option is to put petes 53 and then seal it a bit better with something like megs fast finish. Ff is designed to go ontop of waxes. I tend to get about 2m on beeding and another 1m of visible protection when washing the car. Experiment a bit on various car panels and see what you get. Im about to put cqukv3 plus reload on rear door and roof.
Thanks lucas 👍 first time I've used fusso and petes so will keep an eye on how they perform. Next year might try out a ceramic coating possibly gtechniq C1 or cquarts
Your vids are appreciated, I have a coating & the hardest thing is to not use my favorite wax which is meguiars synthetic wax which got me alot of compliments it's very shiny so this is tough, but I have been using car pro elixir in place of it.
its interesting isnt it. because if you use the megs xpers spray wax like I say your car wont blow up. Im also noticing now the industry is moving away from waxing on a coated car as being a faux pas. I think this is perhaps because now the added upsale of toppers or ceramic waxes is greater than the arguement that the coatings have radically superior surface qualities so you need to use a coating over and above other products. things have shifted perhaps. but in theory putting a wax on a coating shoud be counter productive if the coating has the best surface properties.
What about waxing first and then applying your ceramic treatment of choice? I recently used armor shine on my car and it in no way shines like a fresh waxed car with a candy like wet high gloss. Planning to try The last Coat ceramic spray. Waxing a achieving the shine is a labour of love in the winter months not so easy
if I told you all these products actually reduce gloss on highly refined car finishes you might not believe me. candy wet look gloss comes from having clearcoat in very good condition (polished)... really you want products that sit on top of the clearcoat and repel dirt and contamination and water to make the car easier to wash and dry so you can maintain the quality of your clearcoat finish. you cant wax on top of a cermic either mark it wont bond properly. Id personally skip the last coat. no disrespect to them they are real and theres a guy behind the business. but unfortunetly theres something going on.. some supplier offering a product to individuals with some sort of sales platform bundle as well I think, at the moment you have companies like last coat popping up every other week trying to sell you water based siloxane spray sealants for a lot more than you need to pay for them... have a watch of the "great ceramic spray scam" video on the channel.
@@ForensicDetailing thank you for all the information and I will check out the video
Excellent break down and explanation 👏
I have a cquartz on my ride, I just used meguires express spray wax for the 1st time over mine instead of reload, its black, it worked and looks great.
express is good for anything great product
sean mcgrath no doubt, my favorite. Interior, exterior, a must have.
exterior not for me. Interior brilliant Mark
I also put a spray wax on top of my ceramic coating. The car is definatly shinier and much smoother to the touch compared to the almost sticky feeling of the ceramic coating.
Jon, what do you think is the greatest everyday threat to car paint? And you think ceramics provide the protection they suggest? I have asked several manufacrurers and re-branders why they think coatings are actually important and none of them could give a satisfactory or correct answer
my misses
seriously though biggest threat is rock chips and other drivers and f'ing potholes in the UK.. why are coatings important. protection is important. A car with nothing on it is harder to clean.. definetly harder to dry.. builds up more contamination.. looks worse.. car protection products work, they are one of the coolest parts of the whole smorgasbord that the industry can offer you.. protection products are the glamour boys.. also get the most enjoyment from using them.. ceramics work as well.. a lot of work but they are cool.
Easy...Industrial fallout is the worst at damaging unprotected paint. I live near a major airport and decided to test that theory of how bad could it really be to neglect a vehicle that sits outside all day long and while the sides of the car mostly survived, the top of the car and mirrors literally had the clear coat dissolve away and the base paint form spidering cracks throughout. Now, that I have replaced that vehicle, I'm looking for something durable to handle this destructive environment without being a slave to its maintenance as I don't have the luxury of a garage.
What are your thoughts on the si02 drying aid / sprays ? would you use this on top of wax if at all ? With Autobrite releasing a new one and Auto Finesse Aqua coat doing well it has me wondering how good these are.
a lot of them on the market.. no strong thoughts.. Id personally go with something like Cure or Reload or C2v3 or something from a ceramic provider still. Theres just so many different materials used in products. Hard to know what another company have used in an "sio2" spray and whether thats going to work with your product. If you however pick a product thats been developed to use with your ceramic then its a safer bet.. doesnt mean theres are not good combos to be found out there. Its the whole "off piste" debait thing though isnt it Anthony.
Anthony Lodge i would not use sio2 ontop of waxes as it gives you different look. For a QD/drying aid on my soon to be coated back door with cqukv3 i am going to use 1 part reload 1 part of car pro ech2o mixed with 15 parts water. A carpro usa guy merlin calls it a magic elixir. The combo does have a big following in the usa andvits used for a short boost of gloss during every wash. Its relatively cheap combo as well.
Lucas Kulawik I've been using the Merlins magic elixir the last 2 years on my coated vehicles and nothing beats the gloss. No topper comes close to the durability of Reload and no detail spray comes close to the shine and gloss that magic elixir gives👍
Did you do a review of that Japanese wax that you are holding yet? Does it really last a whole year?
SayWhat? Soft99 fusso, yes John dud a whole piece on it about 12m ago. Based on that review i picked a jar and have not looked back. Depends on where you live FK1000P is the most closely based alternative, imo its not as durable and beeding is not as good but it does look slightly better..
Could a ceramic coating hurt? The cheap coatings with little information, directions etc., could they harm the factory finish?
Can I use meguiar’s black wax for my black truck if I just had it ceramic coated ?
Thanks for this.. Its tempting to wax but you confirm what I thought was right!
I know it's a lot of work but what if you have a layer of ceramic, then wax, then a final layers ceramic? The only reason I think of this is because I can achieve so much better gloss and mirror image applying this way. But I do worry that the final layer isn't attaching to the surface. What do you all think am I wasting my time with this method
I have a hybrid ceramic coating by chemical guys hydro slick and I want to apply a glaze and wax would that work and what would you suggest .
Glaze will strip protection generally.
How beneficial would it be to use the turtle wax hybrid polish wax and then the turtle wax ceramic coating afterwards ?
99% of the benefit will come from the polish product.
Forensic Detailing Channel So would the ceramic coating on top protect the wax ? Or really do anything
Could one use a detail spray (synthetic) to pump up the gloss of a coating.?
William Eaton I would like to know as well
Yes. Autoglym rapid detailer or magma and a wash
Would this also apply to TAC's Moonlight? Being somewhat of a baby ceramic, some people recommend applying something over the top to avoid the water spotting issue you can get.
I'd think that if you get water spots, that's not because of an SiO2 sealant being on there, and you would get them anyway, probably even worse, if it wasn't there. The sealant might just accent the spots more, because the more perfect and reflective your finish is (which it will definitely appear if you've applied a SiO2 coating on it), the more even superficial defects (like most water spots) will stick out on it. I also don't think that a wax could protect itself or your paint better from water spots, than silica sealants. But it might fade and degrade faster, and thus make the spots less apparent, against a now less perfect and reflective finish.
tac moonlight can be used to top up coatings.. but you do need to consider compatability still and whether the coating below will support a top coat product after a full cure. lots of other considerations as well before you top up a coated car with another coating.
Nutmegg TAC is a big company that formulates thier own product as well as sells bulks to carpro/gyeon etc. With moonligh some pple had issues with water spotting on it. Its a baby coating but tac recommended using quarts max (aka reload or cure) as a protector of coatings.
Tks for your info. I was looking for that awnser.
HI Mate I have Angelwax dark angel applied but I have some Turtle wax Jet black Hybrid spray polish. Can I apply this on top of that wax. Cheers
no mate, the turtle wax polish is abrasive, so as you work it you will strip the wax.
Gotcha thanks for your help.😀
My friend bought a car with a ceramic coating and he was told that waxing over the coating would remove the coating. I ‘ve tried to tell him that isn’t true but I’m not sure he believes me. What’s your opinion on waxing over a coating?
depends on the coating. but if you machine apply the wax you are gonna really hammer that coating.
Does anyone know if you can use CQ v3.0 on top of the Hydro2 spray sealant seeing both of them are Si02 based? Silly question probably but its only because i have Hydro2 on my car already.
I wouldn't... you want bare, stripped paint gloss so ceramic bonds to paint. Having something else on it my prevent bonding process and we dont know if the two products are compatible. Keep it simple and apply to clean prep paint
what about the wax on top of a polymer sealant ( sonax polymer netshield )?
That's probably fine. Although polymer net shield has great characteristics on its own so it's not entirely necessary unless you want more of a warm gloss. I would just top up with Sonax brilliant shine every couple washes if it were my car. They both have great water sheeting characteristics.
Can I apply another layer of ceramic one year later after the initial application? I applied Gyeon Cure and I would like to try Carpro next year. Do I need to remove the remaining layer of Pure?
hey there after one year, most of the coating should have eroded away but in some places it wont. you will also have a load of contamination build up in the paint. so quite simply the process to apply the carpro will be just like when you applied cure. wash, decontamination, polish (hopefully just a light polish and no major correction this time) and apply carpro. if you try and skip that and just wash and apply etc.. or wash quick decon and apply results will not be as good.
@@ForensicDetailingis there a safe way to tell if I have removed all the product after polishing? You think a Menzerna 3500 will be enough for this or do I need something more coarse?
@@saiiiiiii1 lots of fine misted water and good lighting mate is the only way i know. Its a grey area that is not talked about. you dont want to over abrade and remove excessive clearcoat.. but getting all the coating is hard to observe.. imagine all the placed its been applied that are hard to hit.. but beyond the stated shelf life of the coating "hopefully" most of it will have eroded away.
@@ForensicDetailing ceramic coating is really sort of a mixed bag for me so far. Initially the beading was insane, just like Bilt Hamber Double Speed Wax. Then after 4 weeks it got noticably worse, now it's stable since 8 weeks. But the coating entirely failed after 6 weeks on my trunk...I still don't know why. I applied the entire car in one session. What is your experience with the initial beading? How long does it last without detailers?
@@saiiiiiii1 these materials last. problem is people want to see a hydrophobic surface as an indicator that they have protection. The main resins in ceramic coatings are typically slightley hydrophobic through to not very hydrophobic at all. Take the gyeon MOHS base coat as part of the syncro package, its hydrophobic performance is non existant, but its actually a durable harder resin than a lot of other consumer coatings. but you would think its dead after a couple of washes. So brands blend in other organic resin components in with the ceramic components so more of the material has more hydrophobic performance (or provide top coat solutions).. adding those materials to a coating though means a higher percentage of the coating is NOT the durable resins, its less durable components such a silicone or flourine or whatever material they use... this will increase the hydrophobic performance but reduce the overal hardness and durability of the coating.. but from a laymens point of view the observable increase in hydrophobic performance gives the impression you have a better performing coating. (watch me cheap ceramics 6 months on to see an example of that with the 6-7 pound coating being better than the cheap 3-4 pound one but having poor hydrophobic performance)
Also theres another discussion to be had around the surface characteristics of the coating getting effected by oxidisation. and also masked or buried by other materials used to maintain cars.
but in short the hydrophobic performance is not all its cracked out to be. you can add hydrophobicity very easily now with products like wet coat etc...
What can u do if u have streak after u ceramic coating my car. Some areas have streaks . Any suggestions. I did use mr fix cheap coating most of the car came out great but the top and truck have streaks.
if you spot it immedietly after application you can try applying more product on it, the solvent in the product can thin out a coating which has just been layed allowing you to rebuff or level it without streaks. If the coating has set you have to polish it off that section and reapply.. good news is Mr fix will come off with even a light/mid range product. so whizz over the roof and hood degrease and reapply mate. lighting is very important for ceramic coating application
@@ForensicDetailing ok thanks for the information it has hardened so I will have to buff it and reapply.
Sir. Can I top any brand wax on fusso coat? Thanks 😊
Yes m8
The price of ceramic coating should do the job itself or is it just sales gimmick as not cheap
gimmick
What about the new Turtle Wax Ceramic/Graphine paste wax on top of a ceramic glass coating? Wouldn’t the paste wax protect the ceramic coating???
you can only have one material on top. If a ceramic coating is supposed to have superior dirt release characteristics, if you want to put a wax on top of the coating then whats the point of the coating? but like I said in this video your car wont blow up if you wax on top. Its just a case of best practise and getting the most out of your coating. I talk about this more on the channel soon.
what is protection?
@@ForensicDetailing A barrier to the first coating and the paint under that.
@@BW-kv9wj and what does the barrier do?
@@ForensicDetailing LOL
Really enjoy your video's, thanks.
I wonder if you still standby the findings that you came to in this video, I only say that now because major companies, such as turtle wax and other outlets say that it’s perfectly safe and even beneficial to use waxes over a ceramic coating, certainly not harmful. But nonetheless, this video got me thinking that maybe it’s not a good idea
Not really tested it . But can you have your cake and eat it? If visiting material is superior in terms of dirt release then why top it with a wax.
This isn't the answer I wanted 😆 Was looking forward to apply a wax. Thanks, very informative video though.
Thanks for watching
Wax is old age my boy welcome to the future
@@Mr.duke10783 My cars ceramic coated. I've never applied a wax before, so at the time I believe was going to get for my mum's car as I just wanted to try out new things. 😂
thanks for this vid, its something that always bugged the hell out of me
Will it hurt to wax a ceramic coating or do you recommend using a maintenance spray. I used PolishAngel H9 and V2.0 ceramic followed by SPRITZ.
thats what the video covers jasper... your car wont blow up if you stick a wax on top of the ceramic but if your going to use a ceramic then I think you have to trust like the recomended way to maintain it properly
Forensic Detailing Channel thx buddy...typical me double confirmation. Thanks again. If I have more questions I can ask right? Goodday
@@jasper_north of course mate thats the name of the game. check out something like gyeon wet coat thats a big favorite of mine for sticking on top of a coated car.
Forensic Detailing Channel wow...realy...just for looks I guess. Like you said the coated car should do its work.
Can you use glaze or polish on top of ceramic and wax?
you shouldnt no danny
Thanks just a customer wanted polish on his next time but he's got guard X protection from Mercedes and I really didn't think could use on top of it thank you
What if i put wax and on the top of that is ceramic coating??is it possible??if not, what is the reason??tnx
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No man, don't do that. The one and first common instruction to all ceramic coatings manufacturers is: "the surface where you are going to apply, need to be completely clean, degreased, free of dirt, oil, waxes, etc". Ceramic coatings apply always direct over the top coat. Hope it helps :)
Can I use Regen from Wax is Dead on the ceramic coat car ?
Yes m8
A year on but thanks for the info!
You know your stuff. Thanks.
Hi, my car has a ceramic coating and I recently had some bird droppings on the car which have left etchings. Please can you advise me on how to polish these out with taking the ceramic coating off please?
If you use a polish you'll remove the coating, period. One method is to gently warm the affected area with a hairdryer, once warm to the touch, not hot but warm, lightly wipe with a detail spray and plush microfibre. It may....or may not work. Good luck.
Car gets so much dirtier when you have a wax. Just keep only ceramic and use a ceramic quick detailer
Can you add ceramic spray coating on top of wax?
And if not how many washes after a wax would u recommend to add a coat of ceramic spray after a wash?
Are those all flex polishers behind you?
2 flex cordless machines and 3 in2detailing free spinning DA' stoof.
@@ForensicDetailing nice!!! Cordless!!! Did you do a video on that model?
yes mate in the machine polisher review section
Just stop the insanity!!..lol!!...waxing a coating why?...is it to protect the coating that's protecting the paint?...I see this all the time people will clear wrap there car to protect the paint ,then put a ceramic coating on the wrap to protect the wrap that's protecting the paint so now we have people putting wax to protect the coating that's protecting the clear wrap that's protecting the paint!!!!!...seriously nobody thinks this is just insane!?????
The protection part is overblown. But as far as appearance, it makes sense to layer them, because each new layer adds even more shine, or restores it, once the layer below it has begun to fade and disintegrate. That said, most "laymen" (ie. those who didn't train their eyes to recognize even subtle differences in paint quality) won't notice much of a difference, and it's really for the OCD types, or for those, who like to detail their cars just for the sake of it.
The reason for putting a ceramic on top of a paint protection film is to get some of the gloss back that you lost in the first place , putting a film over high gloss paint will lose a noticeable amount of gloss. On top of that it will provide hydrophobic activity that will make cleaning the car esier.
that not the highest insanity....the neighbor who work his life to get a corvette, did a 9 layer ceramic coating, 1.each month+ wrap+ sealant+wax+liquid wax , park his car in garage, never drive in the rain or bad weather... he swear by doing.this method, he save some.gas cause the car is so sleek now that even the wind bounce of the car giving.him aerodynamic advantage
also this.other guy ceramic.coated his pennis.and he doesnt.need wear condoms for about.a.year depending.on.the humidity of the.environment..
You forgot thats protecting the Clear Coats, thats protecting the Base Coat... ;)
people with OCD
You should do a test about it one without the wax over it and one with out
How about applying a ceramic wax on top of a ceramic coating....instead of the usual C2v3,Gyeon Cure etc....etc
thats a clever question James. I still wouldnt do it.. although the proper full blooded ceramic infused waxes offer a bit of the dirt repellency (something john from angelwax talked about) I dont think its on the same level you get from having just the coating material. Like I say though the cars not going to blow up if you do it.. but I personally want to have the full performance from the surface characteristics of the coating.
Well said
Ceramic Coating is good, but correct me if I'm wrong... you'll never find a multi million pound Classic car dealer using it as it's more hassle to repair or buff out scratches than using the good old paste.
I dont think the coating will add to the hassel factor of repairing swirls or scratches.. but there are arguements why coatings are less suitable for classic cars for sure Marko...
Forensic Detailing Channel. Was just viewing this from Priceless Detailing...
Ceramic Coating vs Waxing explained.
Now don't get me wrong I rely on your channel and always have faith in your experience. But it makes you wonder.
thats a good video and the gentleman makes some valid points, its not an all out assault on ceramics but more a subtle gentle nudge away from them in certain scenarios towards an alternative that they happen to provide. the biggest problem, how impartial is this.. to be fair theres been some BS advertising from certain ceramic brands that have done some silly visual things with waxes to make them look bad, when they are not.. so its not bad that someone is firing back some warning shots in favor of paste waxes...
The video though doesnt cover all the negatives around paste wax performance versus some of the advantages of ceramic coatings.. Its not a complete comparison of pros and cons.. The problem maybe if swissvax went for an all out assault, someone else could fire back with a comparison of a 1000 dollar wax versus 15 dollar one..
As always John, this is the reason your my go to guy.
thank you very much for your punctuality John! Wednesday as you said! But as i told you, i'm french, and i think you're really talking too fast! even faster than usual! so i understand probably only 50% lol but its ok i will don't put a Fusso coat on my ceramic coating...
thanks again John!
mais oui mes amis :) Im of french huguenots descent so we are brothers. I could have a crack at doing the vid in french but it would have made even less sense! :) but yer sort answer is I wouldnt put fusso on top of a ceramic coating personally (cool product though it will give some ceramics a run for their money on durability)
even if would not make much sense, i would like to see a video from you in french!!!!;
yes! i want one lol! ;)
Thanks for the input
CERAMIC COATING IF IT'S REAL SHOULD BE JUST SILICA, SO IN OTHER WORDS -GLASS. SO YOU CAN UT ANYYTHING ON TOP OF IT AND IT SHOULD NOT EFFECT CERAMIC COAT IN ANY WAY. IF IT EFFECT-IT IS NOT CERAMIC COAT.
Now PEOPLE IM AT WORK IN THE WASHROOM, I DONT HAVE TIME TO WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO PLS LET ME KNOW ITS A YES TO WAX BEFORE CERAMIC COAT OR NO??
No, you're better off using the specific maintenance top coat that goes with the ceramic coating.
can one clay after ceramic coating
yes but there are consequences to doing so tata, its another long discussion m8
For me Sonax spray & seal is the best product for reload ceramic coating
i like c2v3!
@@MrFrancispiche Yes... it looks really perfect. I invite you to try the Bead Maker. The result is spectacular and the cost is very low
Great video,
But the real win is that if my baby is having trouble falling asleep, I can just play one of these videos, and he knocked out to the monotone voice.
I like to wax every week or 2 ..no time for ceramic coatings
its Ok if you like a dust on your car! because the wax is a dust magnet!
with a ceramic coating you can "wax" your car with c2v3 or reload every week if you want and your car stay clean!
Francis Piché i live in the uk..car gets dirty no matter what u do 😃
For 8 minutes and 17 seconds you said that waxing the top of ceramic is bad for the ceramic coating. Holy shit. You must like your accent more than the rest of TH-cam.
Love your channel. Love that you're sharing your knowledge.
Hope this doesn't sound offensive, but you seem more like a normal guy or something. Easier to identify with than some guys on other channels. Weird accent but cool guy lmao j/k
If not, why not. I guess we shouldn't then thanks - After watching the 1st 10 seconds