Shamsi screaming ? that's new. your sheikh is keep running away from the topic and he made a video with title "Shamsi running" 🤣 what a joke of a "Sheikh"
What did he misrepresent? Ta'weel of verses that are already established in the Sunnah is impermissible. You're either saying the Prophet (peace be upon him) failed in clarifying the sifaat's of Allah SWT mentioned in the Quran, or in his hadeeth, he attributed something to Allah that is false by using words that don't carry their intended meaning. In both cases, you are committing kufr.
May Allah protect Shaykh Noorudeen. He a real gem. Hope to see him more in Speakers Corner. There is misrepresetation on the Ashari aqidah, especially on SC.
MashAllah very informative from Shaykh Noorud-Deen and a beautiful ending too! It's a shame some speakers forget their akhlaq when preaching about Islam
Even his fellow salafis get annoyed with him when speaking to him, the funny thing is, there's a video where bro hajji exposes what him and his teacher abu khadreeja have studied where they are explaining themselves what they have studied, it's mainly pamphlets lol you'd think someone so loud would have completed something worth mentioning
1:03 When Shaykh said "this is my point", Shamsi said "you're not getting no points" (excuse his double negative). He thought the speaker is saying "I won this point" even though that was not the intended meaning. Good analogy for the whole discussion.
Highlights how education is important. Something bro Hijab keeps telling Shamsi to obtain! At this point anyone with a brain can't surpass the level of cringe coming from Shamsi.
Easy way to explain the difference in the approach of Ahlus Sunnah to verses of the Quran and Hadith that talk about the attributes of Allah vs the Salafis: Take the statement: “Love is blind” Tafwidh: We are uncertain of the exact meaning here. Overall be cautious with love. Ta’wil: Love isn’t blind, rather the one in love is blind to all else. Salafi: Love has two eyes and has lost the ability to see!
@@virtualwanderer Every single one of them? When Imam Ahmad said "We affirm them without a meaning and without a how" and then the Salafis come and say "we affirm them WITH a meaning and WITH a how", then they have gone against the salaf. Not one single scholar of the salaf, not one, said that Allah has a kayf but we dont know what kind of how. One of the authentic narraitons from imam Malik is: "The kayf (how) is irrational. The kayf is rejected in regards to him (al kayfu anhu marfuu')". Narrated by al bayhaqi and the chain as been affirmed by ibn hajar and if im not mistaken by adh dhahabi as well.
I felt sorry for the people that thought Shamsi was a credible scholar. The true scholars of Islam who are english speaking are Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Murad, Asrar Rashid and Dr Umar Abdallah Faruq. All Asharis, alhamdulilah.
@@kamalovbakhadir7510 Nope watch the video again.... Your sheikh lied...No sahabah ever did ta’weel on Allah( swbt) attributes... Ibn Abd al-Barr (d.463) said, "Ahlus Sunnah are agreed upon affirming the Attributes that occur in the Book and Sunnah, and to take them literally not metaphorically, except that they did not inquire into the nature (kayfiyyah) of any of them. However the Jahmiyyah and the Mu’tazila and the Khawaarij all deny them, and do not take them literally claiming that whosoever affirms them has made tashbeeh, and they claim that whosoever recites them (as they are) is a Mushabbih (one who does tashbeeh)." [‘at-Tamheed’ (7/145) of ibn Abdul Barr under the hadeeth of Nuzool. See also ‘Mukhtasar al-Uluw’ (pg. 268). Ibn Abdul Barr was from the greatest of Maaliki Imaams, given the title ‘Bukhaaree of the West’. Adh-Dhahabee said, following up the above quote, "it is rare that the eyes should see the likes of him".] Ibn Qudaamah (d.620) said, "the way of the salaf is to have faith in the Names and Attributes of Allaah that He has described Himself with in His Revelation, or upon the tongue of His Messenger (SAW) without increasing nor decreasing upon it, nor exceeding the limits, nor explaining them (in the way of the Mu’tazila) nor making ta’weel of them in a way that opposes the literal meaning." [ ‘Dhamm at-Ta’weel’ (pg.11) of ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisee,] Nu’aym Ibn Hammaad (d. 228) said: “Whoever makes tashbeeh (resemblance) of Allaah to his creation has committed kufr (disbelief). And whoever denies what Allaah has described himself with has also committed kufr. Indeed, all that Allaah has described himself with, or what His Messenger has described Him with - then there is notashbeeh in it at all.” [Fundamentals, Pp. 114-115] The Salaf as Saliheen were unanimously agreed upon (had an Ijma) that Its obligatory to affirm the attributes of Allah, on their apparent meanings, and in a literal sense, without distorting their meaning by interpreting them metaphorically or figuratively. Just as Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) said: “..And the Hadith (of attributes), in our estimation, is to be taken by its apparent meaning, as it has come from the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him). And indulging in theological rhetoric (Kalam) with respect to it is a Bid’ah.” [lmaam Ahmad reported in Musnad, 1/285-290, as did Al Ajurre in Ash-Sharee’ah, Page 491-494, Al Tabari in his tafseer, 11/28/ 31, Ibn Abi Aasim in As-Sunnah, Page 433-440, Al Bayhaqi in Al Asmaa wal Sifaat, 2/189, Al Laalikaa’ee in Al Sharh Usool Al I’tiqaad, page 904 and Ibn Khuzaimah in At Tawheed page 200 from Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him)] Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) was a Sahabi and a cousin of the Prophet (ﷺ). He was an expert in Aqeeda, Quran, Hadith, Fiqh. Abul-Qasim al-Taymi al-Isfahani al-Shafi’i (457- 535 H) was a major authority of Ahlus-Sunnah, one of the Shuyukh of al-Ibn al-Sam’ani. He studied in Isfahan (Sunni stronghold in pre-Rafidi-Safawi Persia) and amongst his teacher was a female, ‘Aishah bint al-Hassan al-Warkaniyyah al-Isfahaniyyah, a praised and reliable transmitter of Hadith. He also studied in Baghdad (Iraq), Nayshabur (Persia, Khorasan), and Ray (modern-day Tehran). He was buried in Isfahan (the graves of many classical Sunni scholars that exist all over Iran were desecrated by the anti-Sunni Rafidhi Twelver Shia Safavid empire and its spiritual descendants). Imam Nawawi mentions him in his Siyar A’lam al-Nubala`: الإمام العلامة الحافظ ، شيخ الإسلام ، أبو القاسم ، إسماعيل بن محمد بن الفضل بن علي بن أحمد بن طاهر القرشي التيمي ، ثم الطلحي الأصبهاني الملقب بقوام السنة ، مصنف كتاب ” الترغيب والترهيب ” . مولده في سنة سبع وخمسين وأربعمائة . The Imam, the ‘Allamah, the Hafidh, Shaykh al-Islam, Abul-Qasim, Isma’il ibn Muhammad ibn al-Fadhl ibn ‘Ali ibn Ahmad ibn Tahir al-Qurashi al-Taymi al-Talhi (i.e. of Arab descent) known as ‘Qawwam al-Sunnah’ (the establisher of the Sunnah), the author of ‘al-Targhib wa al-Tarhib’. Al-Nawawi continues by mentioning that Abul-Qasim al-Tamimi al-Isfahani al-Shafi’i was a master of the Arabic language (unlike the Rafidi clerics and zanadiqah of Isfahan and Qom today). قال أبو موسى المديني : أبو القاسم إسماعيل الحافظ إمام أئمة وقته ، وأستاذ علماء عصره ، وقدوة أهل السنة في زمانه وقال عبد الجليل كوتاه : سمعت أئمة بغداد يقولون : ما رحل إلى بغداد بعد الإمام أحمد أفضل ولا أحفظ من إسماعيل . ‘Abu Musa al-Madini said: Abul-Qasim, the Hafidh, the Imam of the Imams of his time, and the teacher of the scholars of his time, a role model for Ahlus-Sunnah during his era …’ [Siyar A’lam al-Nubala`] وسُئل عن صفات الرب تعالى فقال: «مذهب مالك، والثوري، والأوزاعي، والشافعي، وحماد ابن سلمة، وحماد بن زيد، وأحمد، ويحيى بن سعيد القطان، وعبد الرحمن بن مهدي، وإسحاق بن راهويه، أن صفات الله التي وصف بها نفسه، ووصفه بها رسوله، من السمع، والبصر، والوجه، واليدين، وسائر أوصافه، إنما هي على ظاهرها المعروف المشهور، من غير كيف يتوهم فيها، ولا تشبيه ولا تأويل، قال ابن عيينة: «كل شيء وصف الله به نفسه فقراءته تفسيره» ثم قال: أي هو على ظاهره لا يجوز صرفه إلى المجاز بنوع من التأويل.» Abul-Qasim Isma’il al-Isfahani was asked about the attributes of the Rabb, ta’ala, to which he responded: ‘The Madhhab of Malik, al-Thawri, al-Awza’i, al-Shafi’i, Hammad b. Salamah, Hammad b. Zayd, Ahmad (ibn Hanbal), Yahya b. Sa’id al-Qattan, Abd al-Rahman b. Mahdi and Ishaq b. Rahawayh is that the attributes of Allah, the ones by which he described His Self and by which His Messenger (ﷺ) described Him with from the Hearing (السمع), the Seeing (البصر), the Face (الوجه), the Two Hands (اليدين) and the rest of His attributes than they are to be taken upon their well known and famous apparent meanings (‘ala dhâhiriha al-ma’rûf al-mashhûr), without suggesting a how-ness for them and without tashbih (to resemble Allah with the creation) and ta`wil (reinterpreting the attributes of Allah). Ibn ‘Uyayna said: “Everything by which Allah described Himself with then its recitation is its explanation (tafsir).” Abul-Qasim says then commenting upon Ibn ‘Uyayna’s saying: “That means the attributes have to be taken on their apparent meaning and it is not permissible to interpret (ta`wil) as metaphors and figurative meanings (majaz).” [Al-‘Uluww in its Mukhtasar version p. 282 by Imam Dhahabi...
@@kamalovbakhadir7510 And here a primary source, a book written by Qawwam al-Sunnah al-Isfahani himself where after mentioning a number of Quranic verse and Ahadith regarding the Sifat (attributes) of Allah, ‘azza wa jall, he says: بعد ذكر مجموعة من الآيات والأحاديث في صفات الله عز وجل :فهذا وأمثاله مما صح نقله عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، فإن مذهبنا فيه ومذهب السلف إثباته وإجراؤه على ظاهره، ونفي الكيفية والتشبيه عنه وقد نفى قوم الصفات فأبطلوا ما أثبته الله تعالى، وتأولها قوم على خلاف الظاهر فخرجوا من ذلك إلى ضرب من التعطيل والتشبيه، والقصد إنما هو سلوك الطريقة المتوسطة بين الأمرين، لأن دين الله تعالى بين الغالي والمقصر عنه. والأصل في هذا أن الكلام في الصفات فرع على الكلام في الذات، وغثبات الله تعالى إنما هو إثبات وجود لا إثبات كيفية، فكذلك إثبات صفاته إنما هو إثبات وجود لا إثبات كيفية، فإذا قلنا يد، وسمع، وبصر، ونحوها، فإنما هي صفات أثبتها الله لنفسه ولم يقل: معنى اليد: القوة، ولا معنى السمع والبصر: العلم والإدراك. ولا نشبهها بالأيدي والأسماع والأبصار، ونقول إنما وجب إثباتها لأن الشرع ورد بها، ووجب نفي التشبيه عنها لقوله تعالى:{لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ}، كذلك قال علماء السلف في أخبار الصفات: أمروها كما جـاءت. فإن قيل: فكيف يصح الإيمان بما لا يحيط علمنا بحقيقته؟ أو كيف يتعاطى وصف شيء لا درك له في عقولنا؟ [الحجة في بيان المحجة وشرح عقيدة أهل السنة] ‘This and other [narrations] have been authentically narrated from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and our Madhhab with regards to that (the attributes of Allah) is the Madhhab of the Salaf which is to affirm them and the take them upon their apparent meanings (‘ala dhâhirihâ) and negating how-ness (modality) to them and Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation). A group of people has rejected the attributes [of Allah] and thus has canceled what Allah has affirmed for Himself. Another group has interpreted (the attributes) based on something other than their apparent meanings and ended up in al-Ta’til (nullification of the attributes) and al-Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation). And the aim (of Ahlus-Sunnah) is to be upon the middle-path between the two [extremes], this is because the religion of Allah, ta’ala, stands in the middle between the Ghali (extremist/exaggerator) and Muqassir (deficient in religion). Cause the speech with regards to the attributes is part of speech concerning the essence (i.e. Allah); and the affirmation of the essence is the affirmation of its existence, not its how-ness. Likewise is the affirmation of the attributes. So when we say hand, hearing, seeing, and such, it is because these are attributes that Allah has affirmed for Himself; He did not say: the meaning of the hand is power, or that the meaning of the hearing and the seeing is knowledge and awareness. Or how to describe something in our minds that is inconceivable? And we do not compare them (i.e. Allah’s hand, face, and hearing) with the hands, hearing and seeing (of the creation); we say that what is wajib (compulsory) to affirm them, because they have been established in the Shar’, and it is imperative to negate al-Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation), due to His statement: {There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. } [42:11]; this is what the scholars of the Salaf said in relation to the reports of the attributes (of Allah): “Pass them (narrations) on as they came .” Source: Al-Hujjah fi Bayan al-Mahajjah, 1/288-289
the sahabas take the ayat as it is without saying a ‘yad’ is literally a hand like how salafis confirmed a ‘yad’ is literally a hand… isn’t it safe to just believe in the ayat without confirming the ‘yad’.. the ‘wajh’… n the shin is literally a hand.. face.. shin that befits Allah… saying a ‘yad’ is literally a hand def goes against wat Allah mentioned that He is not like His creations… ta’weel is safer than confirming ‘yad’ is literally a hand.. for ta’weel of the ‘yad’ based on the context of the ayat is safer than anyhow say a ‘yad’ is a hand… n only Allah knows wat He said abt Himself… the scholars can only try to tafsir the best that they can without contradicting quran n hadith… @@Spark12429
Shamsi sounds abit unhinged, shouting liar liar, la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah. May Allah bless the shaykh for his sabr and adab. Shamsi getting scared of the truth. He speaks in the park as if he is the spokesperson for islaam. Shamsi soeaks for a deviant sect the wahaabis, he does NOT speak for the majority of the ummah. He does some good work against non muslims, he should stick to this and know his level. He gives lectures in the park and can't bear hearing the truth, when he is forced to listen to the truth, he panics and runs away.
Brother you should have an online debate with shamsi. With a moderator so he can’t interrupt and we can have an intellectual dialogue. He clearly ran and I guarantee you he won’t accept your offer of a debate if you put it forward.
وَمَا قَدَرُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِۦ وَٱلْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًۭا قَبْضَتُهُۥ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ وَٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتُ مَطْوِيَّـٰتٌۢ بِيَمِينِهِۦ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ وَتَعَـٰلَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ They did not recognise the true worth of Allah.1 (Such is Allah's power that) on the Day of Resurrection the whole earth will be in His grasp, and the heavens shall be folded up in His Right Hand.2 Glory be to Him! Exalted be He from all that they associate with Him Surah Al zumar Ayah 67
May Allah most high reward Shaykh Noorud-Deen Rashid immensely for dealing with such strange characters who have no idea what they are talking about. Ameen
This broke my heart to have this video sent to me. In a day and age where senior members of the community have to be microphened up with cameras at the ready. What did the gentleman really think he was going to achieve by going up with his followers and knowing this video would go out to the whole world. The behaviour from both men and the students of the man that came with the question was appalling and cringe worthy at times. If both gentlemen were to share this video with their respected teachers, I really wonder how they would react to see the behaviour of their students. This debate has achieved NOTHING except that one party claims that their man won and the othe party claiming that their man won. The video been shared across both parties commenting on whose right and wrong. These so called public debates/confronting are a sickness in this ummah, where following, likes and subscribes are being chased and causes more division amongst brothers. I pray Allah guides us all, both brothers and their followers.
Sahih al-Bukhari 6614 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times. حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ حَفِظْنَاهُ مِنْ عَمْرٍو عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى، فَقَالَ لَهُ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ. قَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ يَا مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ، وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ، أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً. فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى، فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى " ثَلاَثًا. قَالَ سُفْيَانُ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِثْلَهُ. Hadith 6614
Wahaabis have lost Shaykh Yasir Qadhi and many other shuyukh, they have realised how deviant Albaani, Ibn Baaz and Uthaymeen are. Wahaabism is deviancy, they have no rahmah and no ihsaan. May Allah guide us to the truth and keep us on the haq of Ahlus Sunnah. Excellent shaykh Noor ud deen, may Allah preserve you. Unfortunately Shamsi et al. are so blinded and narrow minded that if the salaf were here today, they would accuse them of bida and deviancy! The truth means nothing to Shamsi, he likes to win arguements and cajole the ignorant masses around him who feed off his superficial confidence. I do not like to disparage people, especially online behind a keyboard but Shamsi has done alot of damage to the unity of this ummah, he is a disuniting force and spouts his minority sect opinion as if it is the one and only view, this is pure dishonesty. Keep the good work up shaykh. JazakAllahu khayran.
Even Mohmmeed Hijab who use to be one of their biggest dawah speakers disassociates from Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab and openly stated he doesn’t follow him.
This guy shamsi doesn’t understand that affirming the dhahir is a form of ta’wil, not tafwid. If I say “it’s raining cats and dogs” and someone takes it to mean cats and dogs are falling from the sky that’s an interpretation on their end, it’s not leaving the meaning to the speaker.
“Love is blind” Tafwidh: We are uncertain the exact meaning here. Overall be cautious with love. Ta’wil: Love isn’t blind, rather the one in love is blind to all else. Wahhabi: Love has two eyes and has lost the ability to see!
@@-Ahmed8592 ironically enough ibn uthaymeen states that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى has 2 eyes and uses the Hadith “your lord is not one eyed” (referring to dajjal) as proof. والعياذ بالله
Shaikh noor ud deen totally destroyed shamsi today. May Allah preserve him. He showed the sahabi/ salaf done both tafweed and taweel. Shamsi doesnt realise that taking meaning of words literally is also taweel, as you are interpreting, whereas tafweed, is to not even take the literal meaning(which shamsi totally failed to understand)
@@abdulrahmanalmashgari8902 shamsi is no scholar, the man barely lets anyone speak or explain anything. Salafis for years have refused to debate on topics such as the attributes of allah, and thats a fact. Put 2 actual scholars on each side in a debate. Watch the ashari destroy them. Has always been the majority and in aqeeda and always will be.
@@abdulrahmanalmashgari8902 you must be living in a bubble or plain stupid if you think shamsi has any credible knowledge. Hes a daee at most. 10 years ago asrar rashid already put out the challenge to the same people shamsi looks up to, to debate on aqeedah and they ran, abdur rahman hassan when asked to debate on attributes of allah, he avoided it. Salafis always avoid it because they are weak in this subject. And it does matter when you use all of our ashari and maturidi past scholars works, but then declare them misguided. Arrogance and ignorance is all you will find amongst salafis.
"If I were to argue with one thousand knowledgeable people, I would surely win the argument. But if I were to argue with one fool, I would lose the argument".. İmam As- Shafi'i رحيم الله
Do the muʾawwilah affirm the Ṣifāt of Allah mentioned in the verses or aḥādīth they make taʾwīl of as independent real Attributes of Allah? JazākAllāhu Khayran.
Okay. First the ashari stance isn't that we dont know the meaning, rather we say we dont know the muraad (intent) Allah had in use of this word. Because it goes againts in its apparent (zaahir) clear text that has no ambiguity or differences such as "there is nothing like Allah". Secondly, the taweel done by latter Asharis was done as a possible meaning to stop people taking wrong meanings though tafweed is the Asl. So taweel was done Ihtimaalan. Thirdly why do Salafis get the benefit of doubt of context, when they do taweel but asharis dont. Our taweel is always according to the possible meanings of the word and considering context. For example, when Allah talks about Istiwa, its always in the context of discussing the story of creation, and we the Asharis say it can refer to the kingdom of Allah, as it has also been stated by some Salaf. Shamsi was oit of his depth. He preached like a Christian rather than discussing and ran off.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7437, 7438 On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Messenger ()! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet (2) said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?" They said, "No, O Allah's Messenger()." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said, "No, O Allah's Messenger ()." He said, "So you will see Him, like that. Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say, 'Whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that thing), so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities. And there will remain only this nation with its good people (or its hypocrites). (The sub-narrator, Ibrahim is in doubt.) Allah will come to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord,' so they will follow Him. Where is the saaq my friend ? Yaani this shows there is ikhtelaf about words as well Because in this narration word saaq is not mentioned how can you this as base to make claims bro shamsi hilarious 😅
Seems like shamsi did a bayan for the cameras, then ignored the question from noor ud deen and then asked him which books of the salaf hes read then got upset and left.
I wonder what these anthropomorphists will say about this ayah where the plural form is used which can be 3 to 10. Will that say Allah has 3 hands upto 10 ?Quran 36:71 ------------------ أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّا خَلَقْنَا لَهُم مِّمَّا عَمِلَتْ أَيْدِينَا أَنْعَامًا فَهُمْ لَهَا مَالِكُونَ Do they not see that We have created for them from what Our hands have made, grazing livestock, and [then] they are their owners?
Asalamualaykum peace be upon you all. Bless the Shaykh but we all are Muslim right? Alhamdulillah never seen Shamsi so rattled still but I think he is still good in many other ways. The Shaykh is obviously high level and showing how the Asharia are amongst the Ahlus sunnah but so are the Atharis and it is safer to not interpret so Shamsi is also right in some ways. End of the day, it is all about uniting the Ummah. Agents everywhere though so who do we trust? This life is short, alhamdulillah for Islam no matter how bad and evil the dunya is. Allah will give us our due. Inshallah Allah accepts our duas for our sins. Ameen.
I agree with your general point bro.. but to take the literal meaning is a form of taweel btw, as you are forcing a meaning. Tafweed is where you resign the meaning. So Shamsi is actually doing what he accuses the asharis of doing
The Salafi claim to follow Quran & Sunnah, yet those like Shamsi talk more than they listen. Don’t think I’ve ever even seen shamsi try and control his anger or his pride
17:30 shamsi did a red herring fallacy here. The ayyah he is quoting is about ghayr mutashabihaat. Then he said the sahaba have different qawls on them but they all can be reconciled. And then he interpolates that to a mutashabihaah verse. If he stops screaming like a child every second, you’d see how baseless the arguments are
Abdullāh Ibn Mas’ūd said, “A Jewish Rabbi came to Allah’s Messenger and said, ‘O Muhammad, we learn that Allah will place all the Heavens on a Finger, the earths on a finger, the trees on a Finger, the water on a Finger, the soil on a Finger and the rest of the creation on a Finger. Then He will say, ‘I am the King.’ So the Prophet (ﷺ) laughed till his pre-molar teeth became visible in affirmation of the truthfulness of the speech of the Rabbi. Why didnt the prophet ﷺ refute the Jewish man and say that this is incorrect and give a meaning that you Asharis/Maturidis give ? This would be the perfect chance that would show the Sahaba who were present the meaning of these attributes but rather the Prophet ﷺ affirmed it. You Asharis fear Allah your Aqeedah can not be traced back to Allahs messenger ﷺ but to two men who came 250 years after his death.
It's because they all understood it's ment figuratively. It's similar to the statement in the Qur'an they Jews claiming that god hands being tied down.
İmam Tahawi, the muhaddith and İmam of Ahlus Sunnah, clearly says God is free from limbs and bodyparts, and isn't bound/ is free by/from the six directions. For these are the attributes of created beings. Also, fingers aren't siffat, nor is a hand, nor are body parts. You might as well learn the definition of siffah whilst you're at it.
@nazmulslater8398 nah, they're bodyparts, no arabic dictionary refers to hands, face, etc. as siffat. Why? Because they're not siffat, and why Imam Tahawi confirmed God is free from them🤷🏻♂️ It's why one can't change the Arabic language or adopt the literal whilst arguing they're siffah. They are a contradiction and can't coexist. If you're saying siffah in ma'ana, then we can agree they mean other than the apparent, and God knows what they mean. We have to then adopt the position of mufeed ul ma'ana, or we can also interpret in line with the worthiness of God as the Ashaairah do.
LOL!!!🤣😂 This Wahabi-Salafiyoon a.k.a Talafi is so nervous he doesn't even want anyone to hear the Shaykh speak because this dus-dawah shamsi boy is getting proven wrong by the Real Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah - while he is only a flying monkey of the talafi movement and he probably doesnt even know he is a flying monkey. subhanALLAH
Someone should ask that Wahabi boy, which Shafi' scholar was it that titled the chapters of Imam Muslim's Sahih..> and wasn't this scholar an Ashari. whilst he fella in blue wearing the glasses and holding the phone camera is shamsi master teacher while shamsi is his flying monkey, dus-dawah agendas are being exposed. typical talafi methodology
and our method of tawil is the same principle used for tafwid, that is, to be in line with the guiding principle of understanding mutashabihat words or verses that is to be in line with muhkam verses e.g. there isn't anything like ALLAH - whilst these talafis are liars and contradict this methodology of the salafus selehin, and they think they are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and not body worshippers/mujassima - - these wahabi-salafi do not know the difference of an attribute to body parts. subhanALLAH. This shamsi is so excited and has no composure, claiming words like who is an honest person implying the shaykh is lying when infact he shamsi is speaking of the talafi methodology which is not a thing to do with the salafus salehin.
how is it he running away if u don't wanna continue to talk about the topic ? like seriously, y'all following this kinda Sheikh ? learn your deen, brothers and sisters. don't follow these lost sects. it's about your salvation, it's no joke.
If the shaykh said ibn masud did not provide interpretation then he shamsi will understand because shamsi does not know the meaning of the word meaning
If this jahil shamsi shut his mouth he would have been dismantled very easily wallahi by the shaykh. Debating with shamsi is very easy because if he let other people speak then he will lose I guarantee
@parvizdawah2641 Abeh saleh kanjar have you seen the state of yourself At your big grandad age telling mama jokes. Someone called "Parviz" joining the MAD khali cult 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 What a melt!
Man is using Khabib as motivation little does he know they follow traditional sunni Islam in Dagestan and any remnants of the wahabi cult is countered.
Subahanallah how people in these comments think Ashari or ashariyah is the truth even after watching this is beyond me, you must either a) have a disease in your heart b) be untruthful and lack common sense. How did your so called shaykh lie against 1) Ibn Masood 2) say his not Ashari that his speaking about himself then say he is Ashari lmao 3) couldn’t quote a book of the salaf 4) shamsi explained the Hadith and still rejected it. 5) this is the biggest one HOW OH ASHARI when your shaykh said we don’t know the meaning we’ll suggest? Ahahah clown behaviour real talk. May Allah guide all of you and us ameen
1) A lie is an intentionally false statement. You have a different definition of Tafweed. You can say he is mistaken, not sure why you want to jump to lie. 2) Quote where exactly he said "his (sic) not ashari". 3) Brother Shamsi wanted to take the conversation elsewhere and he clearly said I want to speak about this and not digress. Again, you're making an assumption and I'm not sure if you actually believe he can't name a book. 4) Another assumption on your part. There was no rejection of Hadith. 5) How what? How can he say that? Or how does that make sense? What exactly are you asking?
Something which has been followed for centuries by Muslims is clearly the truth. Pseudo salafiyyah is a creation of only a few hundred years. Were the Muslims before them Kafir? I'm not even Ash'ari and even I can see this shamsi is digging holes for himself yet again. Didn't even let the brother speak. No point asking if he was Ash'ari, it's besides the point he is making. He couldn't address anything with substance. The fact is the Khalaf used interpretation so that the masses didn't go astray. No one is saying you should do the same thing. The point is don't claim it is WRONG when it is proven permissible. That is the issue madkhali/pseudo salafiyyah have with majority of Muslims. They believe only they are on the right path and everyone else is in misguidance. This will be the beginning of an end for pseudo salafis and shamsi is not doing your cult any favours. In fact he will be the catalyst for its downfall in the west. Many of his supporters have already left him after his recent videos (Haqiqatjou, Mansur etc)
Shamsi clearly refuted every doubt that was throw by Noor. It was very disingenuous to hide the fact that you lot were Ashari when Shamsi asked. Be men and defend your beliefs and don’t throw your figureheads under the bus
You can clearly see Shamsi just jumped from one thing to another and then claimed he wasn't getting time to respond. Also, he didn't hide anything, he just said don't assume, and then said he was Ashari. You guys love to label people and then say Asharis are like this and that. We want to discuss issues not labels. Also, we don't throw anyone under the bus, if someone has made a mistake we can point that out, scholars aren't infallible. P.s. Work on your spellings.
Shamsi initially admitted that a Sahabi did Ta’wil before Noorudeen even mentioned it and then he spent the rest of the discussion backtracking - even refusing to engage with the hadith of ibn Abbas r.a. He’s also admitted that some Sahabah interpreted based on the context rather than take the apparent BUT then says it’s not ta’wil so basically he’s saying it’s ta’wil but not ta’wil at the same time. I think you and everyone else watched two different videos…
@@AmirKhan-pm8cbloool your literally defending a sheikh who used the tafweed then shamsi corrected him which your sheikh then smiled because he knew he made a mistake lol you explain it then mr sheikh al Islam
@@SI-du4jt shamsi assumed that when the sahaba(ibn masood) verbatim said the word(sa3k) he took the literal meaning, which is not tafweed, as you are assigning a meaning to it. Where as tafweed means to not put any meaning literal or otherwise to the word and leave it to Allah. Shamsi doesnt get this.
go debate the shia ahmadiyaa Khawarij christian jews who insult the prophet and sahabah not brother shamsi...brother shamsi always defend from those people who insult islam at park 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I don't think you understood the discussion. The point was to create unity and remove fitnah by showing there are different ways of understanding which go back to the Sahaba RA. If anything one could say Shamsi has been "creating division and spreading fitnah"
The logical conclusion of the Ash'ari Aqeedah is that the Prophet peace be upon him is a kaffir because he made Allah similar to his creation, and that Allah also made himself similar to his creation in the Quran It sounds stupid because it is
That’s fallacious. Asharis understand that the Prophet ﷺ left the meanings of the Attributes to Allah. Allah used shared wording in the Quran so that we as humans can get a general understanding of them, not to know their specific realities.
The fact you have falsely attributed something to the asharis that makes them a kafir according to the prophet because of your false accusations you’re a kafir yourself 😂. Your own argument backfired against you. Your ilm of the ashari aqidah is not even equivalent to an ounce
Allah bless Shaykh Noorudeen, when people of ilm come. The ignorant run away !
Agreed 💯👌
Peaple of il?! 😅
Beautiful to see how the Shaykh didn't let Shamsi screaming and being all over the place get to him, Allahumma baarik
Solid argument
@@mukhtar768you lied in your comment. Repent.
Shamsi screaming ? that's new.
your sheikh is keep running away from the topic and he made a video with title "Shamsi running" 🤣
what a joke of a "Sheikh"
@@mukhtar768 how did he lie brother please tell us
I hope this finally exposes Shamsi’s (and the Salafi dawah’s in general) shocking lack of understanding of Ashari aqeedah
He is not a salafi.
What did he misrepresent? Ta'weel of verses that are already established in the Sunnah is impermissible. You're either saying the Prophet (peace be upon him) failed in clarifying the sifaat's of Allah SWT mentioned in the Quran, or in his hadeeth, he attributed something to Allah that is false by using words that don't carry their intended meaning. In both cases, you are committing kufr.
u hated Salafis ? oh wow, these sects are worrying 🫣
May Allah protect Shaykh Noorudeen. He a real gem. Hope to see him more in Speakers Corner. There is misrepresetation on the Ashari aqidah, especially on SC.
MashAllah very informative from Shaykh Noorud-Deen and a beautiful ending too! It's a shame some speakers forget their akhlaq when preaching about Islam
@@OnliKidding lol point proven
@@OnliKiddingAllah wil hold you accountable for this on Yawm al Qiyamah
@@OnliKiddingWahhabi-baboon.
@@OnliKiddingwow.. a salafi adab….. is this an example of a muslim..?
Shamsi does not close his mouth. He needs to close his lips and open his ears.
Seriously this shamsi waffles so much, he doesn't even give anyone a chance to speak
Shamsi only 'debates' in monologues, he can never give his opponents a fair chance to speak.
Even his fellow salafis get annoyed with him when speaking to him, the funny thing is, there's a video where bro hajji exposes what him and his teacher abu khadreeja have studied where they are explaining themselves what they have studied, it's mainly pamphlets lol you'd think someone so loud would have completed something worth mentioning
May Allah guide Shamsi to the school of Ahlulbayt a.s
The TWO WEIGHTY MATTERS
The Quran and Ahlulbayt
In shaa Allah
1:03 When Shaykh said "this is my point", Shamsi said "you're not getting no points" (excuse his double negative). He thought the speaker is saying "I won this point" even though that was not the intended meaning. Good analogy for the whole discussion.
He was trying to be funny but in fairness his grap of the English language is not that good.
@@mukhtar768 Where was the lie?
Highlights how education is important. Something bro Hijab keeps telling Shamsi to obtain!
At this point anyone with a brain can't surpass the level of cringe coming from Shamsi.
Easy way to explain the difference in the approach of Ahlus Sunnah to verses of the Quran and Hadith that talk about the attributes of Allah vs the Salafis:
Take the statement: “Love is blind”
Tafwidh: We are uncertain of the exact meaning here. Overall be cautious with love.
Ta’wil: Love isn’t blind, rather the one in love is blind to all else.
Salafi: Love has two eyes and has lost the ability to see!
Bro 😂😂😂
@@Visible-jb2ew Show me one Salafi scholar who affirms other than what the salaf's affirmed.
Autism
@@virtualwanderer Every single one of them? When Imam Ahmad said "We affirm them without a meaning and without a how" and then the Salafis come and say "we affirm them WITH a meaning and WITH a how", then they have gone against the salaf. Not one single scholar of the salaf, not one, said that Allah has a kayf but we dont know what kind of how. One of the authentic narraitons from imam Malik is: "The kayf (how) is irrational. The kayf is rejected in regards to him (al kayfu anhu marfuu')". Narrated by al bayhaqi and the chain as been affirmed by ibn hajar and if im not mistaken by adh dhahabi as well.
@ibrahimyilmaz4861 provide the reference and source for your quotes and then I'll respond.
I felt sorry for the people that thought Shamsi was a credible scholar. The true scholars of Islam who are english speaking are Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Murad, Asrar Rashid and Dr Umar Abdallah Faruq. All Asharis, alhamdulilah.
Hamza Yusuf who said same gender marriage is not a sin? Asrar Rashid the guy who calls to making dua to the dead? THESE ARE YOUR SCHOLARS?
Seems like Shaykh Noor ud Din put his "Saaq" on the whole mujassima group
So glad someone with knowledge has challenged these Salafi guys who are completely misinforming the youth.
Why's Shamsi panicking 😅
The Truth has come…
@@kamalovbakhadir7510 Nope watch the video again.... Your sheikh lied...No sahabah ever did ta’weel on Allah( swbt) attributes...
Ibn Abd al-Barr (d.463) said, "Ahlus Sunnah are agreed upon affirming the Attributes that occur in the Book and Sunnah, and to take them literally not metaphorically, except that they did not inquire into the nature (kayfiyyah) of any of them. However the Jahmiyyah and the Mu’tazila and the Khawaarij all deny them, and do not take them literally claiming that whosoever affirms them has made tashbeeh, and they claim that whosoever recites them (as they are) is a Mushabbih (one who does tashbeeh)." [‘at-Tamheed’ (7/145) of ibn Abdul Barr under the hadeeth of Nuzool. See also ‘Mukhtasar al-Uluw’ (pg. 268). Ibn Abdul Barr was from the greatest of Maaliki Imaams, given the title ‘Bukhaaree of the West’. Adh-Dhahabee said, following up the above quote, "it is rare that the eyes should see the likes of him".]
Ibn Qudaamah (d.620) said, "the way of the salaf is to have faith in the Names and Attributes of Allaah that He has described Himself with in His Revelation, or upon the tongue of His Messenger (SAW) without increasing nor decreasing upon it, nor exceeding the limits, nor explaining them (in the way of the Mu’tazila) nor making ta’weel of them in a way that opposes the literal meaning." [ ‘Dhamm at-Ta’weel’ (pg.11) of ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisee,]
Nu’aym Ibn Hammaad (d. 228) said:
“Whoever makes tashbeeh (resemblance) of Allaah to his creation has committed kufr (disbelief). And whoever denies what Allaah has described himself with has also committed kufr. Indeed, all that Allaah has described himself with, or what His Messenger has described Him with - then there is notashbeeh in it at all.”
[Fundamentals, Pp. 114-115]
The Salaf as Saliheen were unanimously agreed upon (had an Ijma) that Its obligatory to affirm the attributes of Allah, on their apparent meanings, and in a literal sense, without distorting their meaning by interpreting them metaphorically or figuratively.
Just as Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) said: “..And the Hadith (of attributes), in our estimation, is to be taken by its apparent meaning, as it has come from the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him). And indulging in theological rhetoric (Kalam) with respect to it is a Bid’ah.”
[lmaam Ahmad reported in Musnad, 1/285-290, as did Al Ajurre in Ash-Sharee’ah, Page 491-494, Al Tabari in his tafseer, 11/28/ 31, Ibn Abi Aasim in As-Sunnah, Page 433-440, Al Bayhaqi in Al Asmaa wal Sifaat, 2/189, Al Laalikaa’ee in Al Sharh Usool Al I’tiqaad, page 904 and Ibn Khuzaimah in At Tawheed page 200 from Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him)]
Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him) was a Sahabi and a cousin of the Prophet (ﷺ). He was an expert in Aqeeda, Quran, Hadith, Fiqh.
Abul-Qasim al-Taymi al-Isfahani al-Shafi’i (457- 535 H) was a major authority of Ahlus-Sunnah, one of the Shuyukh of al-Ibn al-Sam’ani. He studied in Isfahan (Sunni stronghold in pre-Rafidi-Safawi Persia) and amongst his teacher was a female, ‘Aishah bint al-Hassan al-Warkaniyyah al-Isfahaniyyah, a praised and reliable transmitter of Hadith. He also studied in Baghdad (Iraq), Nayshabur (Persia, Khorasan), and Ray (modern-day Tehran). He was buried in Isfahan (the graves of many classical Sunni scholars that exist all over Iran were desecrated by the anti-Sunni Rafidhi Twelver Shia Safavid empire and its spiritual descendants).
Imam Nawawi mentions him in his Siyar A’lam al-Nubala`:
الإمام العلامة الحافظ ، شيخ الإسلام ، أبو القاسم ، إسماعيل بن محمد بن الفضل بن علي بن أحمد بن طاهر القرشي التيمي ، ثم الطلحي الأصبهاني الملقب بقوام السنة ، مصنف كتاب ” الترغيب والترهيب ” .
مولده في سنة سبع وخمسين وأربعمائة .
The Imam, the ‘Allamah, the Hafidh, Shaykh al-Islam, Abul-Qasim, Isma’il ibn Muhammad ibn al-Fadhl ibn ‘Ali ibn Ahmad ibn Tahir al-Qurashi al-Taymi al-Talhi (i.e. of Arab descent) known as ‘Qawwam al-Sunnah’ (the establisher of the Sunnah), the author of ‘al-Targhib wa al-Tarhib’.
Al-Nawawi continues by mentioning that Abul-Qasim al-Tamimi al-Isfahani al-Shafi’i was a master of the Arabic language (unlike the Rafidi clerics and zanadiqah of Isfahan and Qom today).
قال أبو موسى المديني : أبو القاسم إسماعيل الحافظ إمام أئمة وقته ، وأستاذ علماء عصره ، وقدوة أهل السنة في زمانه
وقال عبد الجليل كوتاه : سمعت أئمة بغداد يقولون : ما رحل إلى بغداد بعد الإمام أحمد أفضل ولا أحفظ من إسماعيل .
‘Abu Musa al-Madini said: Abul-Qasim, the Hafidh, the Imam of the Imams of his time, and the teacher of the scholars of his time, a role model for Ahlus-Sunnah during his era …’
[Siyar A’lam al-Nubala`]
وسُئل عن صفات الرب تعالى فقال: «مذهب مالك، والثوري، والأوزاعي، والشافعي، وحماد ابن سلمة، وحماد بن زيد، وأحمد، ويحيى بن سعيد القطان، وعبد الرحمن بن مهدي، وإسحاق بن راهويه، أن صفات الله التي وصف بها نفسه، ووصفه بها رسوله، من السمع، والبصر، والوجه، واليدين، وسائر أوصافه، إنما هي على ظاهرها المعروف المشهور، من غير كيف يتوهم فيها، ولا تشبيه ولا تأويل، قال ابن عيينة: «كل شيء وصف الله به نفسه فقراءته تفسيره» ثم قال: أي هو على ظاهره لا يجوز صرفه إلى المجاز بنوع من التأويل.»
Abul-Qasim Isma’il al-Isfahani was asked about the attributes of the Rabb, ta’ala, to which he responded:
‘The Madhhab of Malik, al-Thawri, al-Awza’i, al-Shafi’i, Hammad b. Salamah, Hammad b. Zayd, Ahmad (ibn Hanbal), Yahya b. Sa’id al-Qattan, Abd al-Rahman b. Mahdi and Ishaq b. Rahawayh is that the attributes of Allah, the ones by which he described His Self and by which His Messenger (ﷺ) described Him with from the Hearing (السمع), the Seeing (البصر), the Face (الوجه), the Two Hands (اليدين) and the rest of His attributes than they are to be taken upon their well known and famous apparent meanings (‘ala dhâhiriha al-ma’rûf al-mashhûr), without suggesting a how-ness for them and without tashbih (to resemble Allah with the creation) and ta`wil (reinterpreting the attributes of Allah). Ibn ‘Uyayna said: “Everything by which Allah described Himself with then its recitation is its explanation (tafsir).” Abul-Qasim says then commenting upon Ibn ‘Uyayna’s saying: “That means the attributes have to be taken on their apparent meaning and it is not permissible to interpret (ta`wil) as metaphors and figurative meanings (majaz).”
[Al-‘Uluww in its Mukhtasar version p. 282 by Imam Dhahabi...
@@kamalovbakhadir7510 And here a primary source, a book written by Qawwam al-Sunnah al-Isfahani himself where after mentioning a number of Quranic verse and Ahadith regarding the Sifat (attributes) of Allah, ‘azza wa jall, he says:
بعد ذكر مجموعة من الآيات والأحاديث في صفات الله عز وجل
:فهذا وأمثاله مما صح نقله عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم،
فإن مذهبنا فيه ومذهب السلف إثباته وإجراؤه على ظاهره، ونفي الكيفية والتشبيه عنه وقد نفى قوم الصفات فأبطلوا ما أثبته الله تعالى، وتأولها قوم على خلاف الظاهر فخرجوا من ذلك إلى ضرب من التعطيل والتشبيه، والقصد إنما هو سلوك الطريقة المتوسطة بين الأمرين، لأن دين الله تعالى بين الغالي والمقصر عنه. والأصل في هذا أن الكلام في الصفات فرع على الكلام في الذات، وغثبات الله تعالى إنما هو إثبات وجود لا إثبات كيفية، فكذلك إثبات صفاته إنما هو إثبات وجود لا إثبات كيفية، فإذا قلنا يد، وسمع، وبصر، ونحوها، فإنما هي صفات أثبتها الله لنفسه ولم يقل: معنى اليد: القوة، ولا معنى السمع والبصر: العلم والإدراك. ولا نشبهها بالأيدي والأسماع والأبصار، ونقول إنما وجب إثباتها لأن الشرع ورد بها، ووجب نفي التشبيه عنها لقوله تعالى:{لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِيرُ}، كذلك قال علماء السلف في أخبار الصفات: أمروها كما جـاءت. فإن قيل: فكيف يصح الإيمان بما لا يحيط علمنا بحقيقته؟ أو كيف يتعاطى وصف شيء لا درك له في عقولنا؟
[الحجة في بيان المحجة وشرح عقيدة أهل السنة]
‘This and other [narrations] have been authentically narrated from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and our Madhhab with regards to that (the attributes of Allah) is the Madhhab of the Salaf which is to affirm them and the take them upon their apparent meanings (‘ala dhâhirihâ) and negating how-ness (modality) to them and Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation). A group of people has rejected the attributes [of Allah] and thus has canceled what Allah has affirmed for Himself. Another group has interpreted (the attributes) based on something other than their apparent meanings and ended up in al-Ta’til (nullification of the attributes) and al-Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation).
And the aim (of Ahlus-Sunnah) is to be upon the middle-path between the two [extremes], this is because the religion of Allah, ta’ala, stands in the middle between the Ghali (extremist/exaggerator) and Muqassir (deficient in religion).
Cause the speech with regards to the attributes is part of speech concerning the essence (i.e. Allah); and the affirmation of the essence is the affirmation of its existence, not its how-ness. Likewise is the affirmation of the attributes.
So when we say hand, hearing, seeing, and such, it is because these are attributes that Allah has affirmed for Himself; He did not say: the meaning of the hand is power, or that the meaning of the hearing and the seeing is knowledge and awareness. Or how to describe something in our minds that is inconceivable?
And we do not compare them (i.e. Allah’s hand, face, and hearing) with the hands, hearing and seeing (of the creation); we say that what is wajib (compulsory) to affirm them, because they have been established in the Shar’, and it is imperative to negate al-Tashbih (likening Allah to the creation), due to His statement: {There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer. } [42:11]; this is what the scholars of the Salaf said in relation to the reports of the attributes (of Allah): “Pass them (narrations) on as they came .”
Source:
Al-Hujjah fi Bayan al-Mahajjah, 1/288-289
the sahabas take the ayat as it is without saying a ‘yad’ is literally a hand like how salafis confirmed a ‘yad’ is literally a hand… isn’t it safe to just believe in the ayat without confirming the ‘yad’.. the ‘wajh’… n the shin is literally a hand.. face.. shin that befits Allah… saying a ‘yad’ is literally a hand def goes against wat Allah mentioned that He is not like His creations… ta’weel is safer than confirming ‘yad’ is literally a hand.. for ta’weel of the ‘yad’ based on the context of the ayat is safer than anyhow say a ‘yad’ is a hand… n only Allah knows wat He said abt Himself… the scholars can only try to tafsir the best that they can without contradicting quran n hadith… @@Spark12429
Shamsi sounds abit unhinged, shouting liar liar, la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
May Allah bless the shaykh for his sabr and adab. Shamsi getting scared of the truth. He speaks in the park as if he is the spokesperson for islaam. Shamsi soeaks for a deviant sect the wahaabis, he does NOT speak for the majority of the ummah.
He does some good work against non muslims, he should stick to this and know his level.
He gives lectures in the park and can't bear hearing the truth, when he is forced to listen to the truth, he panics and runs away.
@@mukhtar768no need for “are you ash’ari” shamsi just wanted to hear a “woaaah” from his salafi buds in the back
Not surprising at all. From what I’ve seen Shamsi only wants to lecture to his fans, and cannot take resistance to Salafism back
Brother you should have an online debate with shamsi. With a moderator so he can’t interrupt and we can have an intellectual dialogue. He clearly ran and I guarantee you he won’t accept your offer of a debate if you put it forward.
That group will never agree to it. Shaykh Asrar has asked for such for many years and no one has picked up the phone.
وَمَا قَدَرُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِۦ وَٱلْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًۭا قَبْضَتُهُۥ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ وَٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتُ مَطْوِيَّـٰتٌۢ بِيَمِينِهِۦ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ وَتَعَـٰلَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
They did not recognise the true worth of Allah.1 (Such is Allah's power that) on the Day of Resurrection the whole earth will be in His grasp, and the heavens shall be folded up in His Right Hand.2 Glory be to Him! Exalted be He from all that they associate with Him
Surah Al zumar Ayah 67
May Allah most high reward Shaykh Noorud-Deen Rashid immensely for dealing with such strange characters who have no idea what they are talking about. Ameen
This broke my heart to have this video sent to me. In a day and age where senior members of the community have to be microphened up with cameras at the ready.
What did the gentleman really think he was going to achieve by going up with his followers and knowing this video would go out to the whole world.
The behaviour from both men and the students of the man that came with the question was appalling and cringe worthy at times.
If both gentlemen were to share this video with their respected teachers, I really wonder how they would react to see the behaviour of their students.
This debate has achieved NOTHING except that one party claims that their man won and the othe party claiming that their man won. The video been shared across both parties commenting on whose right and wrong.
These so called public debates/confronting are a sickness in this ummah, where following, likes and subscribes are being chased and causes more division amongst brothers.
I pray Allah guides us all, both brothers and their followers.
4:30 the fitrah speaks when he points his finger to the heavans and says let talk about Allah (SWT).
Its about haq!
Shamsi's argument make sense.
Sahih al-Bukhari 6614
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses," the Prophet (ﷺ) added, repeating the Statement three times.
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ حَفِظْنَاهُ مِنْ عَمْرٍو عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى، فَقَالَ لَهُ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ. قَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ يَا مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ، وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ، أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً. فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى، فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى " ثَلاَثًا. قَالَ سُفْيَانُ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِثْلَهُ.
Hadith 6614
Excellent from Shaykh Nur ud Deen
Wahaabis have lost Shaykh Yasir Qadhi and many other shuyukh, they have realised how deviant Albaani, Ibn Baaz and Uthaymeen are. Wahaabism is deviancy, they have no rahmah and no ihsaan. May Allah guide us to the truth and keep us on the haq of Ahlus Sunnah. Excellent shaykh Noor ud deen, may Allah preserve you.
Unfortunately Shamsi et al. are so blinded and narrow minded that if the salaf were here today, they would accuse them of bida and deviancy! The truth means nothing to Shamsi, he likes to win arguements and cajole the ignorant masses around him who feed off his superficial confidence. I do not like to disparage people, especially online behind a keyboard but Shamsi has done alot of damage to the unity of this ummah, he is a disuniting force and spouts his minority sect opinion as if it is the one and only view, this is pure dishonesty. Keep the good work up shaykh. JazakAllahu khayran.
Even Mohmmeed Hijab who use to be one of their biggest dawah speakers disassociates from Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab and openly stated he doesn’t follow him.
Yes very true.
May Allah bless the shaykh, Shamsi is a jaahil.
This guy shamsi doesn’t understand that affirming the dhahir is a form of ta’wil, not tafwid. If I say “it’s raining cats and dogs” and someone takes it to mean cats and dogs are falling from the sky that’s an interpretation on their end, it’s not leaving the meaning to the speaker.
Thank you my brother... this is what the pseudo salafis fail to understand
“Love is blind”
Tafwidh: We are uncertain the exact meaning here. Overall be cautious with love.
Ta’wil: Love isn’t blind, rather the one in love is blind to all else.
Wahhabi: Love has two eyes and has lost the ability to see!
@@-Ahmed8592 ironically enough ibn uthaymeen states that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى has 2 eyes and uses the Hadith “your lord is not one eyed” (referring to dajjal) as proof. والعياذ بالله
@@Airhawker4 Tafwid means only Allah( swbt) knows the meaning... regarding the hand and the face and shin... am i right
Shaikh noor ud deen totally destroyed shamsi today. May Allah preserve him. He showed the sahabi/ salaf done both tafweed and taweel. Shamsi doesnt realise that taking meaning of words literally is also taweel, as you are interpreting, whereas tafweed, is to not even take the literal meaning(which shamsi totally failed to understand)
@mukhtar768 whatever you say bro
Destroyed are you serious … the guy didn’t even wanna claim to be ashari,,, like the Shias hiding he only embarrassed himself
@@abdulrahmanalmashgari8902on a actual note, no salafi will debate a actual ashari scholar. Salafis are weak in these topics
@@abdulrahmanalmashgari8902 shamsi is no scholar, the man barely lets anyone speak or explain anything. Salafis for years have refused to debate on topics such as the attributes of allah, and thats a fact. Put 2 actual scholars on each side in a debate. Watch the ashari destroy them. Has always been the majority and in aqeeda and always will be.
@@abdulrahmanalmashgari8902 you must be living in a bubble or plain stupid if you think shamsi has any credible knowledge. Hes a daee at most.
10 years ago asrar rashid already put out the challenge to the same people shamsi looks up to, to debate on aqeedah and they ran, abdur rahman hassan when asked to debate on attributes of allah, he avoided it. Salafis always avoid it because they are weak in this subject.
And it does matter when you use all of our ashari and maturidi past scholars works, but then declare them misguided. Arrogance and ignorance is all you will find amongst salafis.
MashaAllah, may Allah supports you brothers!
Jazkallah khair..
"If I were to argue with one thousand knowledgeable people, I would surely win the argument.
But if I were to argue with one fool, I would lose the argument"..
İmam As- Shafi'i رحيم الله
Shamsi finished!
Do the muʾawwilah affirm the Ṣifāt of Allah mentioned in the verses or aḥādīth they make taʾwīl of as independent real Attributes of Allah? JazākAllāhu Khayran.
Asharis affirm everything Allah سبحانه وتعالى and His Messenger ﷺ have said.
Okay. First the ashari stance isn't that we dont know the meaning, rather we say we dont know the muraad (intent) Allah had in use of this word. Because it goes againts in its apparent (zaahir) clear text that has no ambiguity or differences such as "there is nothing like Allah". Secondly, the taweel done by latter Asharis was done as a possible meaning to stop people taking wrong meanings though tafweed is the Asl. So taweel was done Ihtimaalan.
Thirdly why do Salafis get the benefit of doubt of context, when they do taweel but asharis dont. Our taweel is always according to the possible meanings of the word and considering context. For example, when Allah talks about Istiwa, its always in the context of discussing the story of creation, and we the Asharis say it can refer to the kingdom of Allah, as it has also been stated by some Salaf.
Shamsi was oit of his depth. He preached like a Christian rather than discussing and ran off.
He was way out of his depth which is why his companion pulled him away. This topic is deep and not for the average student of knowledge.
Shamsi way out of his depth. Lanuage barrier was a problem too.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7437, 7438
On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Messenger ()! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet (2) said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?" They said, "No, O Allah's Messenger()." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said, "No, O Allah's Messenger ()." He said, "So you will see Him, like that. Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say, 'Whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that thing), so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities. And there will remain only this nation with its good people (or its hypocrites). (The sub-narrator, Ibrahim is in doubt.) Allah will come to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord,' so they will follow Him.
Where is the saaq my friend ?
Yaani this shows there is ikhtelaf about words as well
Because in this narration word saaq is not mentioned how can you this as base to make claims bro shamsi hilarious 😅
Seems like shamsi did a bayan for the cameras, then ignored the question from noor ud deen and then asked him which books of the salaf hes read then got upset and left.
Nur could probably name more books of Salaf than Shamsi. He might be considered a deviant buy salafis but he is not ignorant.
I wonder what these anthropomorphists will say about this ayah where the plural form is used which can be 3 to 10. Will that say Allah has 3 hands upto 10 ?Quran 36:71
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أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّا خَلَقْنَا لَهُم مِّمَّا عَمِلَتْ أَيْدِينَا أَنْعَامًا فَهُمْ لَهَا مَالِكُونَ
Do they not see that We have created for them from what Our hands have made, grazing livestock, and [then] they are their owners?
Shamsi follows salaf but denies Ibn Abbas ra 😂
2 tawil that's news to me.
Why does the Shaykh entertain Shamsi. Shamsi has no adab.... He just wants to hear himself. 😂..... He must talk to the mirror
Shamsi always wants to preach like Christians. Always talk over and wants the stage. Frustrating.
24 minutes video and samsi spoke for 22 min
For the discussion to move forward, stop interrupting. Wait your turn to rubuke
Asalamualaykum peace be upon you all.
Bless the Shaykh but we all are Muslim right? Alhamdulillah never seen Shamsi so rattled still but I think he is still good in many other ways.
The Shaykh is obviously high level and showing how the Asharia are amongst the Ahlus sunnah but so are the Atharis and it is safer to not interpret so Shamsi is also right in some ways.
End of the day, it is all about uniting the Ummah. Agents everywhere though so who do we trust?
This life is short, alhamdulillah for Islam no matter how bad and evil the dunya is.
Allah will give us our due. Inshallah Allah accepts our duas for our sins. Ameen.
It is safer to not go beyond what Allah and the Prophet ﷺ have said. That is called Tafwidh
I agree with your general point bro.. but to take the literal meaning is a form of taweel btw, as you are forcing a meaning. Tafweed is where you resign the meaning. So Shamsi is actually doing what he accuses the asharis of doing
The Salafi claim to follow Quran & Sunnah, yet those like Shamsi talk more than they listen. Don’t think I’ve ever even seen shamsi try and control his anger or his pride
No one thought to move this discussion from the screaming madman, clearly Jinn is doing gymnastics in him.
17:30 shamsi did a red herring fallacy here. The ayyah he is quoting is about ghayr mutashabihaat. Then he said the sahaba have different qawls on them but they all can be reconciled.
And then he interpolates that to a mutashabihaah verse.
If he stops screaming like a child every second, you’d see how baseless the arguments are
If this guy shamsi ever shuts up and listens he might actually learn something!!
Brother shamsi must listen to this sheikh brother. Why shamsi don't let him speak
Abdullāh Ibn Mas’ūd said, “A Jewish Rabbi came to Allah’s Messenger and said, ‘O Muhammad, we learn that Allah will place all the Heavens on a Finger, the earths on a finger, the trees on a Finger, the water on a Finger, the soil on a Finger and the rest of the creation on a Finger. Then He will say, ‘I am the King.’ So the Prophet (ﷺ) laughed till his pre-molar teeth became visible in affirmation of the truthfulness of the speech of the Rabbi. Why didnt the prophet ﷺ refute the Jewish man and say that this is incorrect and give a meaning that you Asharis/Maturidis give ? This would be the perfect chance that would show the Sahaba who were present the meaning of these attributes but rather the Prophet ﷺ affirmed it. You Asharis fear Allah your Aqeedah can not be traced back to Allahs messenger ﷺ but to two men who came 250 years after his death.
It's because they all understood it's ment figuratively. It's similar to the statement in the Qur'an they Jews claiming that god hands being tied down.
İmam Tahawi, the muhaddith and İmam of Ahlus Sunnah, clearly says God is free from limbs and bodyparts, and isn't bound/ is free by/from the six directions. For these are the attributes of created beings.
Also, fingers aren't siffat, nor is a hand, nor are body parts. You might as well learn the definition of siffah whilst you're at it.
Check imam ghazalis Sharh of this hadith and imam nawawis
@@yourstruly5706Allah's Hands, Face is an Attribute not body parts or limbs
@nazmulslater8398 nah, they're bodyparts, no arabic dictionary refers to hands, face, etc. as siffat. Why? Because they're not siffat, and why Imam Tahawi confirmed God is free from them🤷🏻♂️
It's why one can't change the Arabic language or adopt the literal whilst arguing they're siffah. They are a contradiction and can't coexist. If you're saying siffah in ma'ana, then we can agree they mean other than the apparent, and God knows what they mean. We have to then adopt the position of mufeed ul ma'ana, or we can also interpret in line with the worthiness of God as the Ashaairah do.
LOL!!!🤣😂 This Wahabi-Salafiyoon a.k.a Talafi is so nervous he doesn't even want anyone to hear the Shaykh speak because this dus-dawah shamsi boy is getting proven wrong by the Real Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah - while he is only a flying monkey of the talafi movement and he probably doesnt even know he is a flying monkey. subhanALLAH
Someone should ask that Wahabi boy, which Shafi' scholar was it that titled the chapters of Imam Muslim's Sahih..> and wasn't this scholar an Ashari. whilst he fella in blue wearing the glasses and holding the phone camera is shamsi master teacher while shamsi is his flying monkey, dus-dawah agendas are being exposed. typical talafi methodology
and our method of tawil is the same principle used for tafwid, that is, to be in line with the guiding principle of understanding mutashabihat words or verses that is to be in line with muhkam verses e.g. there isn't anything like ALLAH - whilst these talafis are liars and contradict this methodology of the salafus selehin, and they think they are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and not body worshippers/mujassima - - these wahabi-salafi do not know the difference of an attribute to body parts. subhanALLAH. This shamsi is so excited and has no composure, claiming words like who is an honest person implying the shaykh is lying when infact he shamsi is speaking of the talafi methodology which is not a thing to do with the salafus salehin.
06:55 sheikh noorydeen clealry going against the messenger, case closed. He got refuted, and then claimed shamsi is running away 🤣🤣🤣
When he starts screaming he's already lose
Furthermore, Tafsir isn’t Hujjah.
how is it he running away if u don't wanna continue to talk about the topic ?
like seriously, y'all following this kinda Sheikh ? learn your deen, brothers and sisters. don't follow these lost sects. it's about your salvation, it's no joke.
Yeah you’re right we’ll stay away from deviants like the pseudo salafi and the shaam fraudster guy. Thanks
If the shaykh said ibn masud did not provide interpretation then he shamsi will understand because shamsi does not know the meaning of the word meaning
Shamsi boys know he wont able to answer so jump in to divert attention. Embarrassing
Not a discussion, more like a one sided debate. Sad you can't speak and listen respectfully to one another and everyone near by. So sad.
Slm. Is this shamsi on drugs. Why cant he cant have a proper discussion
Damn shamsi let the man speak lol
Problem am seeing is that shamsi does not know the meaning of meaning that's where he is going wrong
His yessir boys had 0 sincerity.
Shamsi is a pure embarrassment.
If this jahil shamsi shut his mouth he would have been dismantled very easily wallahi by the shaykh. Debating with shamsi is very easy because if he let other people speak then he will lose I guarantee
One of them just barks like a dog as always, wonder which one
every ashari- maturudi claims to be ahlu Sunnah when no one accepts them to be. these two are like two pair of shoes
No one accepts ?
LOL
Do you live in a box? 😂😂
@@BWFAIZANSRD in your mama's...
@parvizdawah2641 Abeh saleh kanjar have you seen the state of yourself
At your big grandad age telling mama jokes.
Someone called "Parviz" joining the MAD khali cult
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
What a melt!
Man is using Khabib as motivation little does he know they follow traditional sunni Islam in Dagestan and any remnants of the wahabi cult is countered.
Subahanallah how people in these comments think Ashari or ashariyah is the truth even after watching this is beyond me, you must either a) have a disease in your heart b) be untruthful and lack common sense. How did your so called shaykh lie against 1) Ibn Masood 2) say his not Ashari that his speaking about himself then say he is Ashari lmao 3) couldn’t quote a book of the salaf 4) shamsi explained the Hadith and still rejected it. 5) this is the biggest one HOW OH ASHARI when your shaykh said we don’t know the meaning we’ll suggest? Ahahah clown behaviour real talk. May Allah guide all of you and us ameen
1) A lie is an intentionally false statement. You have a different definition of Tafweed. You can say he is mistaken, not sure why you want to jump to lie.
2) Quote where exactly he said "his (sic) not ashari".
3) Brother Shamsi wanted to take the conversation elsewhere and he clearly said I want to speak about this and not digress. Again, you're making an assumption and I'm not sure if you actually believe he can't name a book.
4) Another assumption on your part. There was no rejection of Hadith.
5) How what? How can he say that? Or how does that make sense? What exactly are you asking?
Something which has been followed for centuries by Muslims is clearly the truth. Pseudo salafiyyah is a creation of only a few hundred years. Were the Muslims before them Kafir?
I'm not even Ash'ari and even I can see this shamsi is digging holes for himself yet again. Didn't even let the brother speak. No point asking if he was Ash'ari, it's besides the point he is making. He couldn't address anything with substance. The fact is the Khalaf used interpretation so that the masses didn't go astray.
No one is saying you should do the same thing. The point is don't claim it is WRONG when it is proven permissible. That is the issue madkhali/pseudo salafiyyah have with majority of Muslims.
They believe only they are on the right path and everyone else is in misguidance.
This will be the beginning of an end for pseudo salafis and shamsi is not doing your cult any favours. In fact he will be the catalyst for its downfall in the west.
Many of his supporters have already left him after his recent videos (Haqiqatjou, Mansur etc)
Shamsi didilnt give him a chance to speak.
So sham-si speaks for ever, changes the topic, asks a question off topic, and then storms away? What a joke
Shamsi clearly refuted every doubt that was throw by Noor. It was very disingenuous to hide the fact that you lot were Ashari when Shamsi asked. Be men and defend your beliefs and don’t throw your figureheads under the bus
You can clearly see Shamsi just jumped from one thing to another and then claimed he wasn't getting time to respond. Also, he didn't hide anything, he just said don't assume, and then said he was Ashari. You guys love to label people and then say Asharis are like this and that. We want to discuss issues not labels. Also, we don't throw anyone under the bus, if someone has made a mistake we can point that out, scholars aren't infallible.
P.s. Work on your spellings.
Shamsi initially admitted that a Sahabi did Ta’wil before Noorudeen even mentioned it and then he spent the rest of the discussion backtracking - even refusing to engage with the hadith of ibn Abbas r.a. He’s also admitted that some Sahabah interpreted based on the context rather than take the apparent BUT then says it’s not ta’wil so basically he’s saying it’s ta’wil but not ta’wil at the same time. I think you and everyone else watched two different videos…
@@theversifier No sahabah did taweel on Allah( swbt) siffat...
Bad enough Shamsi runs from Christians; now he runs away from fellow muslims. What a shame.🤯🙄
Greek Philosophy ….the Greeks are the founders of the ashaaira
Hindus are the founders of the Mujassima
The British are the founders of Wahhabism.
Any proof any evidence? Or are you just putting your foot where your mouth is what utter nonsense 😂
Shamsi finished you today, bye bye
Are you sure about that? :)
Are you being serious lol your so called sheikh didn’t even know what tafweed and smiled when he realised he made a mistake lol
Respectfully, I don't think you or shamsi actually know what tafweed means to be honest
@@AmirKhan-pm8cbloool your literally defending a sheikh who used the tafweed then shamsi corrected him which your sheikh then smiled because he knew he made a mistake lol you explain it then mr sheikh al Islam
@@SI-du4jt shamsi assumed that when the sahaba(ibn masood) verbatim said the word(sa3k) he took the literal meaning, which is not tafweed, as you are assigning a meaning to it. Where as tafweed means to not put any meaning literal or otherwise to the word and leave it to Allah. Shamsi doesnt get this.
@@AmirKhan-pm8cb Exactly. We as Ahlus Sunnah stop where the Prophet ﷺ and his companions stopped. Salafis go beyond this
When did he smile? What part of the video?
This salafi cult doesnt have any real knowledge do they?
Dont mix Greek philosophy into religion
Are you ashari
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Hahahaaaa miskeen
Be careful at whom you laugh, because they may be your very reason for regret on yawm Al qiyaamah
@@Bism_illaah we laugh at those who hide their aqeedah they will be questioned on that day about what they hide don't worry in shā' Allāh
Response video has been uploaded on to islam answers channel. Watch this on why he did what he did
@traditionalmiddlepath3773 why he lied plz explain the taqqiya
@asifahmad4748 brother see the response video and he has explained there
Shamsi the arrogant salafi...
Shamsi has no adab
go debate the shia ahmadiyaa Khawarij christian jews who insult the prophet and sahabah not brother shamsi...brother shamsi always defend from those people who insult islam at park 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Are you really playing the victim card for Shamsi? 😂
Shamsi is a Wahhabi deviant and needs to be refuted as well -- he cannot be given a free pass.
@@manbetterunderstand relax kid why are you so mad 🤣
@@AisyahSyivaBro you're the one who came crying here, playing the victim card and now saying I'm mad 😂😂😂
@@manbetterunderstand relax keyboard warrior drink some tea 🤣
Creating divisions and spreading fitnah among Muslims. Shame on you all. You will stand in front of Allah and you will be asked.
I don't think you understood the discussion. The point was to create unity and remove fitnah by showing there are different ways of understanding which go back to the Sahaba RA. If anything one could say Shamsi has been "creating division and spreading fitnah"
The logical conclusion of the Ash'ari Aqeedah is that the Prophet peace be upon him is a kaffir because he made Allah similar to his creation, and that Allah also made himself similar to his creation in the Quran
It sounds stupid because it is
That’s fallacious. Asharis understand that the Prophet ﷺ left the meanings of the Attributes to Allah. Allah used shared wording in the Quran so that we as humans can get a general understanding of them, not to know their specific realities.
Asharis stop where the Prophet ﷺ stopped, unlike the Salafis who go beyond what he ﷺ and Allah سبحانه وتعالى said.
The fact you have falsely attributed something to the asharis that makes them a kafir according to the prophet because of your false accusations you’re a kafir yourself 😂. Your own argument backfired against you. Your ilm of the ashari aqidah is not even equivalent to an ounce
Its hard to believe that a human being who presumably has a brain would even type this argument out.
this deviant ashari got exposed and lied against the sahaba
How's that bro?