There are NO hidden dangers in fruit and honey
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- Fruit and honey are beneficial for humans, as seen in the research.
In this video, I break down why fructose from fruit is not to be feared, and address some other misconceptions about potential dangers of fruit and honey in the human diet.
DATA:
HbA1c AND FRUCTOSE GLYCATION:
Fructose glycation in rats: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9732303/
FRUIT / HONEY ARE BENEFICIAL:
Fruit does not cause excess levels of glycation: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30463...
Red orange juice showing improved endothelial function: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22492...
Orange juice vs vitamin c: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17349...
DANGERS OF KETO:
Ketosis leads to increased methylglyoxal production: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16037...
Methylglyoxal promotes oxidative stress: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22425...
Oxidative stress and aging (methylglyoxal): pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20393...
MY RECENT BLOODWORK: • Am I on TRT? August 20...
00:00 Intro
00:42 Framework
01:30 Fructose overview
03:14 HbA1c measures fructose
05:37 Fructose in rats
08:27 Fruit and glycation
09:41 Benefits of fruit and honey
10:47 Dangers of keto
13:13 Summary
I’ve seen a lot of discussion online in the ketogenic circles about the hidden dangers of fruit and honey and I wanted to give my take on these claims. In this video, I share some recent findings on HbA1c and how it actually does measure fructose glycation, the district benefits of fruit and honey, and the downfalls of a long term ketogenic diet.
There have been discussions around this idea that you cannot measure fructose glycation of hemoglobin with any lab test that we have commercially available for humans. However, we see in the research that when you feed mammals excess fructose, both fructose in the blood as well as HbA1c will reflect the increase in fructose intake.
So good news - if you’re eating fruit and honey and you’re worried, just check a HbA1c!
On the idea that fructose is harmful for humans: I believe that whole food sources of fructose are not harmful for humans, and are actually shown to be beneficial. We should not confuse studies looking at pure fructose or high fructose corn syrup with those that include whole food sources (fruit / honey).
Fruit is repeatedly proven to be a benefit for humans, both protecting from oxidative stress and improving endothelial function, improving markers of vascular health and cardiovascular disease long term.
We should also note the hidden dangers of a ketogenic diet - it can increase advanced glycation end products, which was the initial concern about fructose here (and as we saw in the research, fruit actually improves glycation…)
If you can’t tell, I’m a huge advocate for including fruit and honey in the human diet. Carbohydrates are essential for optimal performance, electrolyte maintenance, and hormonal balance. And in my opinion, the absolute best form of carbohydrates you can include in your diet are fruit and honey.
Fruit is the least toxic part of the plant, the part the plants wants you to eat. It’s sweet and colorful. Honey is also very low in toxins and contains vital compounds like nitric oxide precursors.
As stated at the end of the video, I appreciate all the conversations and opinions around this topic and love friendly discussions like this. I hope we can continue this exchange with my good friends in the keto community in order to advance the narrative and give more people the opportunity to achieve optimal health!
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Disclaimer:
Dr. Paul Saladino received his medical degree from the University of Arizona Medical School. His use of “doctor” or “Dr.” in relation to himself solely refers to that degree. Dr. Saladino is a licensed physician in California, but he no longer practices in any state and does not see patients so he can focus on educating people as a full time activity. This video is for general informational purposes only. It should not be used to self-diagnose and it is not a substitute for a medical exam, cure, treatment, diagnosis, and prescription or recommendation. It does not create a doctor-patient relationship between Dr. Saladino and you. You should not make any change in your health regimen or diet before first consulting a physician and obtaining a medical exam, diagnosis, and recommendation. Always seek the advice of a physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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Contrary to what so many others say, I’ll eat 1-2 bananas a day, maybe an apple, and a handful of berries. About 75% of this before a workout. The fruit does not spark my sugar cravings .. it curbs it. Interesting how we’re all so different!
After eating alot of fruit you do not feel craving fruit along of the day?
@@eugeniodasbroas no cravings at all.
Also amazing is how the body uses carbs from fruit when we're active and not lazy. Seems activity is good for us. Who knew?!😂
@@eugeniodasbroas cravings are just weak mind and not being active enough
I just started this low carb journey, I feel great for a few weeks I started to add some fruit and my glucose spikes are really high , The honey in the morning doesn't spike glucose levels that much.
When I added fruit to my carnivore diet, I was hungry all day….maybe I just have too much metabolic damage. If I was fit/healthy/active all my life I think I’d be good with fruit and meat, but for me, for now I have to cut out the fruit.
If it works for you, great! I’m glad your healthy and happy.
I was weak like a twig, forgot about overrated fruit.
Exactly you have metabolic damage. Your body is trying to tell you it needs the nutrients badly.
@@YoMama-Sucks By that logic my body has also told me I need ice cream and potato chips 🤣
@@redbeard9586 Hmm thats not fruit. I dont think you know what fruit is.
@@YoMama-Sucks damn, you got me. Your deductive reasoning is just too powerful for me.
I ate an insane amount of fat and meat doing carnivore (I’m a 27 year old woman) and I began to feel like absolute crap. I did keto for a year before that so I was already over the “keto flu”. I tried exercising and didn’t even have the energy. I started eating fruit and honey and a little white rice and I feel so much better.
Me too.
Maybe an insane amount of meat was too much.
White rice = poison.
Because you are genetically modified by the carbohydrates you eat and are addicted to food
Same. Meat, eggs, fruit, honey and white rice. I soak the rice for 24 hours in water before boiling it.
after reading these comments i don’t know what to eat anymore
Less
True. After watching vids on youtube after a while you can.t eat anymore.
"after reading these comments i don’t know what to eat anymore" I have the same problem, and so does Saladino. He likes fruit and honey, so he finds a way to justify it. I wish he was correct, as I too would like to eat fruit and honey. The truth is they spike your insulin, and tax your liver. Maybe there is no correct answer?
learn to listen your body, that is your ultimate truth
Great videos. Your videos and material have helped me so much. Thank you
Hey Paul, You and Shawn Baker helped turn my life around! Ty! Your videos always flush the Experts out , but you and Ken have them typing like demons on this topic! Good job!
Hey Paul. I have held back on honey after reading your book because it contains salicylates. Can you confirm if there is reason to consider these or limit one's consumption of honey?
Salicylates make me itchy
I have been following an animal-based diet carnivore with some fruit and honey. I have followed a strict carnivore before and although I did lose excess fat quicker, I never felt my best mind you I was a strict carnivore so well over a year and keto for several years before that. I just feel better with some honey and fruit that said if you have excess fat to lose, it’s going to take longer, I can tell you that for a fact.
As Far as Amounts Regarding Honey ;I'd Like to Think That Honey Speaks for itself ! Once Bitten Twice Shy...
Good information. I'm doing Carnivore with only eggs and cheese besides higher fat meat. I'm considering adding berries and raw honey at some point. I don't have fat to lose and carnivore is making me lose weight so I may need some good carbs.
Carnivore for 3 years. I added about 1 tablespoon of honey a day split in 3rds for 3 snacks a day. I mix it in a big chunk of butter and eat it that way. Still testing in deep purple ketosis on the keto sticks, and hasn't caused any cravings. I do high fat carnivore, so about ~80% fat ~20% protein, and of course whatever the ~10g carbs from the honey adds to carb percentage. I may try adding in a little fruit to see what happens, but right now I'm content.
natural foods wont cause you stupidly high cravings. Honey is in a complex, added sugars and synthetic sugar like dextrose and maltodextrin are man made and WILL make you crave sugar.
If you think Carnivore is good, wait till you try Frugivore, the natural food/fuel for the Homo-sapian.
@@truesight91 Can you explain this?
@@RandomHuTaoSimp honey has a GI index of 58, sugar is 60. The problem with sugar is it being empty calories, consumed in isolation (no fat or fiber alongside it), and not being pbysically active prior or after its consumption.
@@havibabi GI index are meaningless. You want to look at overall fasting insulin instead. Raw organic honey actually improves fasting insulin given you diet and activity is good. Enzymes believe it or not can make natural sugars beneficial. The problem comes with processing. The gi index you looked at probably refers to overall honey. Remember that glyphosate can also add to immediate glocuse response. Most dont know this
The HBA1C test does not test for glycation products resulting from fructose glycation, only those from glucose. So I doubt any damage from fructose would show up in a typical HBA1C test.
Saladino is saying otherwise here, but in a way that makes me ask more questions. See my comments on this thread. I've asked Dr. Berry today to comment here also. Right now it's 'he said/he said' and I want somebody to prove they're right and the other one to cave. I doubt that this is a matter of subtlety or opinion. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong, and it's important for the rest of us to know which is which.
@@john99776 paul says it shows up on rat hba1c
@@rfbead321 I know, but I have more questions and want a more direct answer. As I said, see my other comments here.
@@john99776 Saladino is selectively choosing research articles to justify his sugar addiction.
@@olderandwiser127 I'm not sure if it's an addiction to sugar or to his own arguments, but I agree that the evidence he presented is selective and doesn't prove definitively either that fructose is counted the same as glucose, or that the test results show how fructose acts in the body. He speaks quickly, but in my opinion we need to think a bit more slowly. He's a brilliant guy, but in order to learn - the first step for us is to not be intimidated from asking those seemingly dumb, but maybe pertinent, questions that nag at our brains. Currently, we have two doctors saying things which are mutually exclusive, and being polite to each other about it. I want them to also be respectful to their intelligent audience, give us the right answer, and explain how and why they've resolved the discrepancy.
I don't think fruit and honey are inherintly dangerous. That being said, many who start the carnivore diet are trying to heal autoimmune disease/leaky gut and a strict meat elimination diet has to be implemented for a period of time to seal the gut lining first. I look forward to reintroducing fruits in the near future, but I think it's important to make the distinction as many, including myself, cannot tolerate fruits at this point in time.
I’m in the same boat as you BUT, I’m trying to do carnivore to heal first like you said, problem is my stomach hurts and nausea when I eat even the cleanest grass fed beef and ghee/butter.. very confused what to do
@Moresco24 is it possible that it's just the ghee and not the meat? I would try tallow instead. Also if you are coming from high carb and/or a vegan diet it is a good idea to transition slowly. Also may be a good idea to experiment with adding/reducing your fat intake.
@@peacelove2994 I use ghee for the preferred taste over tallow, I am coming from very high carb though you are right. It just sucks because I get really nauseous with stomach pain about 2 hours after eating but will try to push through
@@Moresco24 Check the TH-cam channel "EONutrition" his latests videos explains why some people have problem on a carnivore diet and how to fix those issues
@@Moresco24 I wonder if HCl supplement could help
Thank you SO much for this!! I was really worried about these issues!🌞🙏🌟
You should still be worried. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose. Saladino is not understanding the studies he goes through. Professor Bart Kay made a response video to this video explaining in depth how Saladino is misunderstanding these studies.
@@allolp Yeah, theoretically Bart Kay great explaining in depth, on the other hand Bart Kay also claimed hes still enjoying drinking beer ( sugar/wheat) and drinking coffee ( fr. seeds) and never declare bloodwork in TH-cam at all like Paul. Bart Kay is not the" walk your talk " kind of guy ...
Literally been waiting on baited breath for this response ❤
Bated breath.
i really appreciate you, paul.
Great clarification on the different aspects of sweeteners!
I did Keto/Carnivore for 4 years....my A1C and regular blood glucose readings got worse. (went from concern to full blown pre-diabetes teetering on T2D) I've been adding carbs back since October and the Blood Sugar readings have improved. I truly believe that this was from the increased cortisol from fasting and carb restriction...for me. Now I'm just trying to figure out which carbs are best for me and honestly...veggies seem to be out (due to digestive issues) and fruit and honey really seem to be working for me.
I never adapted on Keto and Carnivore - after awhile, my energy was awful and sleep got worse....once I added carbs back I felt great. Now I just need to fine tune it all.
Turns out humans are omnivores like I've been trying to tell people for 20 years. Oh well.
Same here. I felt like crap, low energy, down mood, even after 5 years of doing keto. I only felt better when I added fruit and honey
@@BiblicalChristianSteve do you ate grass fed beef? Or just regular red meat? Do you eat alot of fruit in your diet? I tend to eat alot of apples, pears, bananas, I don't know if there is a number that is too much... I just eat till I feel satisfied (I don't have weight problems), I stopped eating oranges and kiwis (this one just once in a while) cause I read they have alot of oxalates.
Hope a response, all good for yoy
@BROAS I eat grass fed ground beef but regular steaks, and organic eggs. I try to eat a lot of fruit but I can't afford to eat a lot of organic fruit, so the fruit I eat the most is is organic raisins, bananas and orange juice. When I can afford to I like to eat more organic fruit.
Living on ketones it's a trap.
I remember Dr. Berry saying that a lab told him that the assay (I forgot if it was fasting glucose or HbA1c) read only glycated glucose, not fructose. This appears a critical part of the discussion. Can I request that you address this?
I addressed this in detail in the video. Please re-watch...
@@Paulsaladinomd What's throwing me off is the word 'excess'. Does the assay count the fructose in the same way that it does the glucose and with the same sensitivity, or, for example, only when the excess glycation of fructose reaches a certain threshold? And also, are you saying that the lab's statement isn't true? If there's a real true/false here rather than a subtlety, we should understand that. You say that the tests do measure all 3 sugars, and immediately follow with the statement that the numbers rise when excess fructose is consumed, and that could be construed as introducing the subtelty. Can't it be definitively shown in a lab whether the assay measures all 3 sugar glycations accurately ? Not a test data which show responses to a certain load of fructose, but a basic understanding of the chemical mechanism of the test? This test was invented, so what it does must be understood. Somebody has to lose on that argument. Sorry to be tendentious about this, but "this is wrong" could mean 'wrong in this way'. and if Dr. Berry's lab reference is untrue, I'd like him to be able to answer to that. I've asked him to address this here today.
@@john99776 i lowkey have no idea what to believe anymore 😭
@@GriffinLo I sympathise.
@@GriffinLo I've been a vegan 5 years no supplements no problems eat tons of fruit ha!
The second paper referenced ‘Food sources of fructose-containing sugars and glycaemic control’ is publish in BMJ open access (BMJ is an excellent source), but the Competing interests section is enormous…. I didn’t study it carefully but that does make the contents of the paper potentially slanted. I did notice there are many food manufacturers listed…
I realized that when I practice putting just berries in high quantities back into my diet or even drinking just coconut water I start to crave all kinds of sugar and I have to really be careful and keep my carbs down. Yes, there is huge illness like Candida that is highly affected by honey and fruit. Personally, I could not keep my candida in control without giving up the carbs that include fruit and honey.
Are you having enough salt. I find I need 2 tsp of salt a day to keep cravings at bay. I use Maldon salt.
I'm in your camp, for me sugar is as addictive as nicotine is for others. Like any other recovering addict, none is much better than some.
@@wendybarbe9221 Yeah I'll have a something with sugar and immediately I make up my mind: "This is my cheat day!" or at least a cheat meal. What ensues is almost no meat eaten (I don't like digesting meat with fruits and baking... or milk/yogurt) and me chasing a ton of sugary foods. I try to keep it healthy with no seed oils and such, but I am never satisfied and immediately want another sugary thing after enjoying a previous sweet. It throws off my desire for a healthy meal later in the day too - I find I instead want to chase what I chased earlier and when I think of just cooking meat, I lose my appetite.
I literally desire fatty meat all the time unless I eat any part of fruit, ice cream, or PB&J or something (again no seed oils), then I instantly don't want meat pretty much for the day.
Try Kiefer
Mine cleared up in a couple of days, when I started Kiefer
@@jamesstahl no way, kefir is a terrible idea when suffering from Candida. Any fermented food is a no no.
I’m so disappointed that there are not more people in carnivore communities talking about light environments and seasons.
This guy lives in a high light environment where fruit grows locally and year round. I live in the upper peninsula of MI.
It’s winter six months out of the year. If I ate fruit in the dead of winter I would have a very different effect than a guy that eats honey snd then goes surfing. Light environments matter, location matters.
This highlights one of the major issues with the carnivore “influencers,” and dietary influencers in general. They take their own experiences, and then they justify them through finding research that matches their conclusions. It’s especially bad in the more financially successful influencers, that no longer have the data and insight from working with clients/patients.
Yes so eat seasonally. Saladino talks about the tropical diet, which is the temperate summer diet. However, there is good imported fruit year round if you look hard. Check out Eli Martyr, longtime fruitarian and athletic stuntman in Toronto.
I made the same statement a few days ago on one of his videos, his diet is not realistic to everyone else.
Honestly, i I am slightly fed up with all of them people because you have 20 camps saying 20 different things and as new people coming to a diet like this they don't know what the hell to eat and what not to eat. All of them from Ken Berry to Dr Cywes and even Paul need to sit down and figure out one message for the Keto community
Furthermore, Rob I am planning on growing strawberries and Blueberries in my basement this winter to have something I can control.
@@EL.JEFE1231 There isn't one message to share. It's not just the light environments that matter. Humans have lived in different environments since the dawn of time. That's why Japanese can eat large amounts of rice and remain skinny, and the Innuit can eat large amounts of fat and protein and not get scurvy. Evolution matters. When you live in America, or a melting pot with many different types of climates it's probably best to work out your diet for yourself. Take their words as helpful hints and adjust accordingly. I'm thankful for all of the carnivore/keto community as they all point out the most important issue...stay away from highly processed anything.
@@bradleygermain6288 But that isn’t even the case in this community because you have some saying, if you can’t afford what I am eating, have a hot dog, have this just as long as you are eating meat, you are in the game. So, there isn’t even that familiar with this community. At the very least Vegetarians and vegans have a singular message more often than not.
The other issue is brought up; Paul shares this, but most people come into this thinking, "Oh, ok, I will just eat that; months later, they find someone else doing something different and then switch to that because they don't know what the complete message is and why they are doing only that they are feeling better. The consistency in the message needs to be more helpful because whether we want to say it or not, people like Paul, Dr. Cywes, and Ken Berry all influencers on this subject, so most people become very closed off to adaptations once they say do this, people tend to follow.
Now if they all came out and said this is an animal-based diet, and this is what you should do, but the vital thing to understand and do is, test what works, test it out, and see what works best for you and your body. If all meat is working, stick with it, but if you have XYZ, add certain veg to your diet, or at more raw milk to your diet.
I personally love honey.. it's the one thing I refuse to give up, and I have 1, maybe 2 tablespoons full of raw unfiltered, or I eat it with the comb a week, and I workout like crazy.
I often wonder what we would eat if we had no supermarkets and were completely dependent on foods that we produced ourselves. I suspect vegetarians and vegans would ceast to exist- over consumption would ceast to exist, and all these fantastically ingenious mixtures of ingredients within one meal would also fail to exist. This tells us something about how humans have adapted to live and eat.
We'd eat seasonally (what's available at the time), and we'd also resort to traditional preservation methods (canning, drying, pickling). We'd be less precious about meat consumption (i.e., far less emotions-based veganism). Interesting to consider.
Love this video Paul. Will we see you and Layne Norton on the show next year? You 2 have evolved so much and it appears you both have more in common now.
Thank you for this video. Why would a lab say that A1C doesn't show fructose glycaiton? Or are there different A1C testing methodologies?
Good. Saw Dr Berries video recently on this very subject after your last podcast with him. Looking forward to his response to the information you just presented.
Curious, would you consider good sourced maple syrup and molasses at the same level as honey?
Raw honey is bètter.
Lol, love how Paul and Ken banter back and forth! 👍👍🙏
What about the randle cycle? Wouldn't combining the high fat from carnivore with carbs from fruit and honey continually activate the randle cycle, blocking energy to the mitochondria leading to all sorts of issues like diabetes, fat gain and insulin resistance???
One of the most intelligent comments on this feed you are on it sir
Yes.
I guess it would depend on how many carbs and how quickly the body can switch over to fat fuel. I can eat a few carbs without even leaving ketosis. 100g will knock me out of ketosis for about 6 hours but I quickly regain elevated ketone levels.
@@jaywhoisit4863 Randle Cycle is activated for up to 72 hours after carb+fat ingestion
@@ppietrukaniec2 randle cycle is not “activated”! It describes the reduction in uptake of glucose when fatty acid oxidation is intense. Simply put, it’s the regulation between metabolic pathways. A fit metabolic individual switches easily between fuels as dictated by mitochondria and a host of other bio systems.
Is there the possibility that the vitamin C given to patients in the latter study approx 10m was not a natural form and so not wise to compare to real food vitamin C sources? Thank you so much Dr Paul for sharing the studies and explaining them for us non-trained in this.
It was probably only ascorbic acid so not a complete Vitamin C
Really great breakdown of the facts...thank you.
Do you recommend starting carnivore with fruit or honey? I’m now 2 months in and like the idea of including fructose as I’m training for an Ironman - think the electrolyte benefit would also work!
Hey Paul could you explain to me why fruit causes changes in my hunger? I'm hungrier after I consume fruit. I believe fructose in the liver may be changing the hunger signaling? Do you get this feeling?
thats because it spikes your insulin levels, and that makes you more hungry
@@MikasLinus it's possible, I have suspected that as the reason . But it might not be that, as this sensation does not happen if say, I consume starch or something. I know insulin changes alot of physiological mechanisms with in the body but theres something fructose is doing in the liver and maybe insulin is involved but idk
Probably because of evolution. When fruit is available, ghrelin is increased to stimulate overeating to get fat for the winter
@@matijagrguric6490 Ya that's a good answer! that could very well be true
I’ve been following an animal based diet very close to Paul’s for 75 days since my atherosclerosis diagnosis. I also try to do an 18hr fast in between. This is to accelerate weight loss and reverse the plague build up. I also take Berberine and a vit K2D3 oral spray daily. I try to keep my carbs at 100g and I eat around 700g of meat per day. I’ve lost 9kg so far.
keep it up. youre on the right track. Hopefully you have exercise in there too. how old are you?
@@TravisBiggie Thanks mate! I’m 48 years young 😆
@@TakeAHikeWithMe one more question, do you mind me asking how tall you are along with weight? Have you been this weight your whole adult life? Thanks
@@TravisBiggie I’m 172cm or 5.6ft been this weight for 10 years or more. Got down to 83 kg three years ago.
9kg in 75 days? Were you not very overweight?
I want to eat fruit and honey but I experience energy crashes as well as inflammation in joints as well as seborrheic dermatitis kind of eczema from eating them. Any sense of what to do with this?
Paul I’m a type1 diabetic what would you recommend I do? Any video tags perhaps to check out? Thanks
Keep on keeping on Doc. I appreciate the info.
Hi Paul, I am a type 1 diabetic and wondering what the best solution is for me? Fruit and honey throws my glucose levels out of whack 😢
th-cam.com/video/U7dyGwnbp1w/w-d-xo.html I would watch that 2 years old but interesting especially if your type 1 diabetic.
Hey my friend I'm a 5yr raw vegan, try these Foods sprouted cooked quinoa simply soak it overnight for 18 to 24 hours cook for 17 minutes bell peppers except green ones tomatoes zucchinis yellow squash butternut squash okra onions fennel cook cauliflower cooked broccoli lettuce baby arugula baby kale Etc oh yeah also sprouted cook buckwheat just a suggestion any questions feel free
Unfortunately diet can’t fix type 1.
Charlie, I am a T1 and I adhere to a strict Carnivore Lifestyle. Paul doesn’t address T1’s like us, so keep in mind that his experience and advice is for those who are Not T1’s. He is very fortunate to have a great working metabolism, as well as not having any challenges pertaining to diabetes. Fruit and honey will increase T1 diabetics glucose levels. The only way to receive the healing properties of high quality honey is to have a very small dab of it (dip the handle side of a teaspoon) throughout the day. Just keep in mind that the sweetness (of anything) can “possibly” trigger your craving for carbs. The craving doesn’t happen to everyone, so you will have to experiment and document your own personal experience to see. I will say that I personally have always had great will power and would on occasion (ie. bday parties) would have one tablespoon of cake just to partake, and could keep it at that one tablespoon and not have more. Good luck on your journey.
I think I recall Dr. Saladino making a dismissive remark about people 'trying to come up with arguments against' something. I'd like to point out that this is actually a critical and necessary part of the scientific method. When I think I know something, my first instinct is to try to think of ways in which I could be wrong.
Thank you for this relevant message..
How much water should we be drinking a day Paul in your opinion ?
I am not diabetic but occasionally test my glucose with a CGM (Continuous Glucose Monitor). If I eat half an orange, or a half-grapefruit, or 2 oz. of blueberries I get a pretty strong increase in my blood sugar (e.g. 100 mg/dL rises to 135 mg/dL). I don't know whether that increase is from the glucose in fruit, or the fructose, or both. All I know is that fruit spikes my blood sugar. Each person is different so it's best to do tests on yourself.
yeah but he has talked about this before. How fast does your blood sugar come back down and what is the area under the curve??? As humans I am sure we have always had blood sugar spikes, because if we found fruit, we most certainly ate it.
This is a fasting blood sugar test
Insulin spikes are normal, if they're not excessively high or frequent. The body was desigend to function this way. Everyone is afraid of insulin spikes!
You get used to carbs after a while, the body will find use for them and you will have less of a reaction.
How did you get CGM without diabetes? These MDs dont prescribe CGM with out diabetes, as if CGM cause more damage than drug and alcohol, they are sold to people with out anything.
What about “salicylate sensitivity?” certain fruits could cause eczema to worsen?
What about fasting...it is my elementary understanding that I would be entering ketosis during my fast...usually I have a 4 hour eating but do not restrict carbs...am I in the danger zone?
Hey Paul, I usually consume 4 tablespoons of honey each day. Is that safe?
But what about impact of fruit and honey on fatty liver ?
Really appreciate these videos addressing what other experts are saying directly with the studies. For anyone who doesn’t know this is a response to a recent video by Dr. Ken Berry
@Trevor F not just Ken, but also Bart Kay( recent TH-cam title " Paul Makes a Fool ......".), really attacking Paul harshly regarding fruits.. Fyi Bart Kay admitted drinking beer( sugar/wheat) and coffee( seeds) in another youtube, while Paul against alcohol and seeds. I can say that at least Paul is always presented all his bloodworks ( so far 3 bloodworks) meat , organs fruits honey in TH-cam ...and people become carnivore " dogma" listening only to dogmatic carnivore doctors/experts ( so called) . Due to these, people even afraid to try eating fruits bit by bit , to see if the bodies rejecting or accepting.
@CarnivoreMD. You established the benefits of fruit and honey from a cellular position. What about those who have diverticulosis, or any kind of digestive disease or stress? Would this approach be superior or beneficial over pure Carnivore?
Wow! Just clicked on to this ... VERY interesting information!!
My concern is if I stop eating a restrictive carnivore only diet, if it will reverse the work I have been doing to reduce my prostate inflammation, which has been a significant reduction. I can finally “empty” my blatter almost completely. I just don’t want to undo this because of some fruit :(. But I sure do miss having it!
I have tried Keto before and everytime I didn't have carb for 40+ hours I always get keto rash, tried salt bile and nutrional yeast, didn't help at all, plus getting different types of fat and worrying about every carb was quite a headache. I was also interested in pure canivor but it also doesn't include any carbs, and the idea of only being able to eat meat is definitely not something I can do long terms. I was concerned about the fructose when I first heard about your diet so I was sceptical but after watching this video I think I will give it a try. I'm lucky to live in a tropical country with easy access to fresh fruits and meat, so it sounds like the most convinient diet for someone like me.
@@Cantaste I tried to push through keto for several months and i didn’t really heal, it stopped being itchy after a month but all the scars remained until I ate carb again. Also I know it’s not something that I’m allergic to because I still get it whenever I fast for 40+ hours, meaning just a lack of carb in general causes it for me. I was never obese or had a very unhealthy diet either, and I don’t live in America so I’m not worried about excessive toxins in the food. I really like the idea of keto and carnivore, unfortunately I just have to accept that carb is something I need to eat.
A carnivore diet (eating only animal foods) isn't about any particular kind of macro nutrient ratio. It's about eliminating all but the least inflammatory foods (which are animal foods).
You can still eat honey if you want sugar, which is an animal food and which almost no one is intolerant of. If you're lactose tolerant, you can also get sugar from milk.
If you're not eating grains, seeds, etc, then you're still getting the benefits of the elimination diet, which is to avoid inflammatory foods.
Also, after you've solved your problems (diabetes, auto immune disorders, etc) eating only animal foods, you can introduce one plant food at a time and see what happens, like berries or apples.
I have a similar experience with pure keto/carnivore. Try mostly carnivore with a bit of fruit/honey (can scale based on activity levels). Personally I feel much better doing this and no rash!
Im trying this from next week, i also struggle with keto rash multiple times
I don't have a gall bladder and was strict carnivore for 2 years. I saw amazing things happen to my health: I dropped 90 pounds, my high blood pressure returned to normal, I was no longer prediabetic, and my stomach issues completely went away. However, I had constipation and very hard stools. After consulting my doc, who is carnivore also, he suggested I add some blueberries and a couple of avocados a week. He thought the fiber might help with the constipation and make my stools softer. It worked. I'm still 90% carnivore, but I do eat blueberries, avocados, and occasionally dill pickles. You need to do what works for your own body.
Hello! I know this it’s not even on the topic, what kind of machine do you have to get filleted water?
Fruits contain H2O2 and are good for the microbiom.
Pure raw honey is the miracle of nature!
Thank you, bees 🐝 ❤
it never spoils Farons used to conseev bodya and honey si Gods miracle cure an sin elixr of life Honey is added as has enzymes and all that Gods cretaed stuff
Beautiful
Every food is good for some kind of microbiom cause every food is eaten by some kind of bacteria
What was actually being eaten on the Atkins diet in the study showing methylglyoxal issues?? I have seen pretty ugly packaged foods sold for Atkins including seed oils and chemicals and, of course, many problematic veggies...
Don't you have a Hemoglobin A1C of 5.4? Isn't that approaching pre-diabetic range?
No, 5.9 or 6 is approaching it.
I love your content paul u do a great job looking at the nuances in research. Personally i wasnt too sure about fructose being a problem and spiking my blood sugar (especially juices) but you’ve definitely changed my perspective with the research u went over, thanks man👍
Im trying to include honey in my diet but just wanted to know if i eat it raw off the spoon or do i add it to stuff to get the benefits
I just found my blood test results and I was wrong when I stated my fasting insulin is 3.7 it is actually 1.7 and that is without honey but with the addition of fruit mostly papaya, pineapple, and bananas. I will get my current insulin level back on Thursday with the addition of 2 tablespoons 3 or more times a day of raw honey. The 1.7 reading is from Sept 21, 2021.
I am type 2 diabetic. Diagnosed about 10’years ago. Did really well on a low carb diet for a few years then fell off the wagon and gained most of my lost weight. 11 months ago went strict keto and lost about 10 lbs immediately but stalled. Became mostly carnivore about 5 months ago and have seen a dramatic reduction in my A1C (from 8.6 to 5.9 currently. The only carbsni typically consume are raw honey and green apples. However I only consume about 40-80 carbs per day. I think it is important to eat some fruit and honey. We need some carbs. Everyone has to find what works for them. Thank you Dr Saladino for your honest approach. I admire you, Dr Ken Berry and Dr Robert Cywes and I credit all of you with helping me battle my disease
I was prediabetic. After 3 months keto+3 months meat/fat only I added back fruit. Also almost exclusively Granny Smith apples and about same amount that you did, 75-80 grams carbs divided up over 3 meals/day. After 4 months I just tested and found that my A1c had gone from 5.3% on meat/fat to 6.1% with the added carbs. My fasting insulin in same time frame went from 2.5 μIU/mL to 5.5 μIU/mL. I work out hard 2 out of every 3 days and walk about 2 miles every day.
Different bodies, different outcomes.
Well if you want to take carbs from plants it is fine. I do not. I make glucose in my liver. Are we so different? NO Disrespect. I am Finnish, people known to do no small-talk and straight to the core ;)
We actually do not need any carbs whatsoever.
Absolutely do not need carbs, that is just ridiculous. And this coming from someone with diabetes, sorry but that just makes you look stupid.
We don't need carbs as humans. It's your choice to eat them. Being type 2 diabetic I wouldn't eat any carbs.
Are you sure that hemeglobin A1C measures the glycation of fructose as well and not just the glycation of the glucose after the fructose is metabolized into glucose?
Will fruit and honey cause me to have a candida infection if I have been prone to them in the past?
yes
Sorry, but I must have missed the part about AGEs from fructose showing up in human HbA1c test....🤔
Thank you Paul for the awareness you are bringing you have changed my life for the better ! Peace and love to you brother x
Hi Dr. Paul! When you talk about honey, are you including other types like 100% pure maple syrup?
No only raw bee honey
Raw 100% pure honey is Paul's advice.
Maple syrup is not a type of honey.
maple syrup is as natural as honey. They are both processed.
@@gamergarlow Not so, maple syrup is heated, raw honey is not.
Dr Paul, would you say carbohydrates are essential for humans?
Dr. I believe you because I’ve been doing the carnivore diet just like you, and I started getting these palpitation.I was glad to see your video that talked about that and began to incorporated some fruits in my diet. within in a couple of days it went away and I’m still just eating meat and fruits. I feel so much better. I really believe that everyone is different and everyone should try to find what works for them.
Well said ! I Have the same Problems with Palpitations as I Have Arrythmias! I' ve Learned alot from Dr.Cowan and the Heart -Which is a Good Read !
everyone is different by restricting certain foods not avoid everything and eat certain foods order a sibo breathe test than try to be vegan after you get sibo dealth with see how high life u are
We're all different. I get palpitations if I eat fruit, honey, or any other carbs, but zero palpitations eating straight carnivore, which I've been doing almost a year and a half now.
The next Liver King.
Do you eat the fruit with your protein or eat them separately?
It was only time before there was a counterpunch to Berry’s anti honey/fruit video yesterday. I’m a fan of both, but I’m more in line with Paulie here.
Berry? Who is berry? Full TH-cam channel name please??
Oh, dr ken berry. Right
@@Candyapplebone Dr Berry, the anti-berry.
Professor Bart kay made a in depth response video to Pauls video. Paul is misunderstanding the study. A1c test is not sensitive to fructose, there is still a hidden danger.
Yes because his diet is more yummy. IM being honest.. it is an why I like him n it better.. lol
Would like to hear your thoughts on liver clearance of fructose. Thomas Delauer talks about liver triglyceride storage and production for up to 24 hours meaning daily consumption would be accumulative
Thank you doctor, I really feared carbs, being in very painful osteoporosis 54 y old, going to keto, then carnivore. I had same symptoms as you told having, cramps etc. I went to your site and saw a helpful advice of what amount of fruit, grease ant meat I should eat. Feeling more energy and less stress, cramps have gone.
Dr. Paul, are you concerned about the oxalic acid found in fruit? There are quite a bit of oxalates in papaya, bananas, and other fruits you consume. Thanks!
The pectin in fruit binds with the oxalate preventing it from doing any harm to our bodies.
@@Z_pav do you have a study that shows this, please? Oxalic acid is attracted to calcium and other minerals.
@@skillbeh I use the Marek Doyle Oxalate Calculator. Papayas are higher in oxalates than bananas. Pears being even higher. Low oxalate is blueberries and apples.
@@skillbeh yes, I am subscribed to her channel. I have been watching Sally for awhile. She may know a lot, but I prefer multiple sources. I never listen to one person. As a board certified practitioner myself, I would never want my clients listening only to me. Sally has done incredible research, but so have others. Thank you for the suggestion.
Have your stomach biome checked for oxalobacter. If you have it oxalates are not an issue for you. If you don't have it they may be able to replace it...
Dr. Saladino, I've heard that the A1C blood test will only tell you the glycation effect of Glucose but not of Fructose and that Fructose causes far more glycation than Glucose. What are your thoughts on this?
That's exactly what researchers said in the referenced by Paul study, yet he decided not to tell about it at all.
Is there a difference between eating whole fruits and eating blended fruit “smoothies” ?
How would the best fruits to consume be ranked on a 1-10?
I have berries every day and eat them with Cream. No problems as far as I know. I love Honey but even a teaspoon makes my heart race - I can feel it and it makes me want more so I am better off without it. Every body reacts differently.
I eat blueberries with kefir and honey.
i cant eat honey by itself. same issues as you. I mix mine with a glass of milk. seems to work as a preworkout pretty well for me now actually!
Are there any long term studies that Paul uses to back up his claims on anything? I can't find any myself so would be thankful to know what he's basing his animal based diet claims on as am becoming more interested in this topic.
Nobody is really willing to study this topic cause it would damage all kinds of industries - pharmaceutical and all others. It's too dangerous to their humongous income.
@@EWAMILENAP seems a convenient excuse and incredibly presumptuous but you may be right.
@@HighNLo 2 million years of human evolution is a long term study in its own right.
There are almost no definitive proper nutritional studies in humans, because they are impossible to do. This is why they do rat studies, but rats are not humans and humans are not all the same.
Have you read his book (hundreds of ref) or are you just gaslighting?
Can I get a list of acceptable fruits. Or even veggies that are actually fruit. Or is it just the sweet fruits?
I've seen documentary on bee keeping and they feed them high fructose corn syrup. Is there any cross over into the honey?
Yes and you'll get a very poor quality honey if done for that reason. It is more often used to feed the bees after their honey was harvested and will not end up in the honey sold.
That isn’t the honey you should be eating.
I don’t disagree. I think some of the confusion is how much honey! I was eating 2 apples every day cut up into several bites. Dipping each piece in a jar of honey and the next thing I know probably 3 or 4 ounces were gone. Result! Without changing my food I gained10# in a couple months. I stopped eating honey and when my weight drops maybe a tablespoon or two at the most.
Dr berrys video on this the other day scared the shit out of me an I immediately stopped the honey an fruit.. I’m so confused..
Listen to your own body. Use the diet gurus for inspiration, not facts. No one knows what’s best for you.
There are so many videos for honey is good for diseases, due to antimicrobial properties, if I consume it two days straight I get constipation it kills microbes in the gut.
How about fermented honey( with fruits)? Can fermantation change it positively? For easier digestion?
@Paul Saladino - I don't mind the idea of eating only fruit and meat, but right now I'm also eating potatoes and rice. Should rice and potatoes be removed?
Couldn't it be that the pancreas is just working harder and thus keeps the HbA1c low, but fasting insulin high?
AGE's come from cooking starches and processed sugars with oil at high heat or with protein where the maillard reaction occurs. French fries with ketchup and a charred burger would be the most notorious example of this. As far as I know there is zero mechanism for raw unprocessed sugar from fruit in isolation to result in any measurable glycation.
Is Ketosis from prolonged fasting also a problem or only ketosis induced by eating keto?
Ketosis is not a "problem."
@GhillieGoat How so
So is pineapple and melons high in oxalates?
I appreciate this Paul. I am no scientist, but my best sources still tell me that excess fructose (regardless of whether it is naturally sourced) is damaging. However, the carnivore community indeed vilifies fruit and honey needlessly. I myself have a little bit of fruit every day. Still, that is no license to guzzle fruit endlessly...
You are correct "excess" is the key. Devil's in the details. Plus super super critical is Who are we talking about? Context. Are we talking about a healthy 12 yrs old or a very sick, very obese 65 yrs old? Right.
Too much of any form of sugar is harmful but eating moderate amounts of fruits and honey is harmless and can add several health benefits to your body as the studies prove.
Extreme diets attract extreme people. Those are the same folks in veganism who say red meat causes cancer
How much is a little? Is that a ‘little’ for you - or are you declaring a ‘little’ for everyone? One of the issues in dietary advice for the past fifty years (at least) has been sweeping generalisation.
Literally to much of anything is harmful. To much water can kill you.
If fruit is tamping down the bad effects of fructose, aren't we back to a scenario similar to that of some root vegetables being good vehicles for the delivery of complex carbohydrates, albeit with a load of other, potentially problematic, chemistry? In other words, what if we're using dangerous fructose for carbs, while hoping that the fruits we're choosing both negate those harmful effects, for incompletely understood reasons, and have only beneficial alternate ones.
Fruit loses nearly all its defence chemicals as it ripens , root veg doesn’t
@@Duck72432 But it looses it when cooked
Which components of the keto diet cause the glycation end products you are talking about
Gluconeogenesis conversion rate is 2-7 grams of glucose per hour. How do you count on protein alone if you are doing serious resistance training and need to replenish. I had same experience as Paul and adding more proteins didn't help. I had to add carbs to stabilize increased energy needs.
I've been following a keto diet for quite some time - mostly meat and fish, very little in the way of plants. I've lost a lot of weight and feel great. When I added fruit to my diet the weight started to come back on scarily quickly. I now have small amounts of berries. Thankfully everything has settled down again. I think everyone has a limit of the amount of fructose they can get away with. If I ate Paul's diet I would undoubtedly be gaining weiight steadily.
It's calories in, calories out, you can only gain weight If you're in a caloric surplus, upon introducing carbs back into your diet on top of what you were eating before you've put yourself into a surplus so your going to gain weight, If you want to eat more carbs(fruit) and not gain weight then you need to subtract more calories from your other macronutrients which are protein and fat, to the point where you're either in a calorie deficit or at least just your calorie maintenance level, you can't just magically put on weight just because you started eating something else, only possible if you're in that surplus
it's wrong to have Paul calories because he is so active & this is why he put a carnivore-fruit calories calculator in his website to get the perfect weight
@@epicgamingvideos8222 Sorry, but "calories in, calories out" is not correct. People who eat high processed packaged foods always tend to gain more weight, or they are not able to lose fat (especially around the belly), even when the foods are low in calories and when the person is eating less calories than they tend to burn. This is a very common thing so many people that are on dieting and exercise routines and who don't end up losing fat and/or getting a six pack back will complain about. If you don't remove bad sugars and processed foods it won't matter if you consume a few hundred less calories a day, you will still maintain some fat, especially belly fat.
@@epicgamingvideos8222 that's not true in my case. The difference in calories was negligible, it was the carbs which caused the weight gain
Check out information from Dr perlmutter on uric acid. He was Judy's you tube awhile ago, his explanation for this is good
Appreciate your enthusiasm Paul and yet again you make yourself the example of the fruit and honey diet. However, the majority do not exercise like crazy like you do. Can you tailor your talk to us, mere mortals, pre diabetics and diabetics?
I think you lack the confidence to start exercising.
@@baileystrunk1489 off tangent remark
My hemoglobin A1C is 5.3.. is that on the high end or considered normal??
It's great.
What about eating tropical fruits in a non tropical country, will my body react differently due to the climate? Also heard that I shouldn’t eat meat with fruit but heard fruit helps digestion of meat?
Dr. Paul Saladino, keep spreading & defending the truth around health optimisation, you are a true King! 👑
I wish the videos of these subjects separated the discussion of harmful versus optimal and also accounted for age and health. My grandparents ate everything in moderation fruits, carbs, meats, veggies, sweets, and lived to 96 years old without ever being fat, ever being on a diet, having any metabolic disease etc. So unless we assume they would have lived to their 100s otherwise, none of the food was very harmful to them even if maybe not optimum. They also never exercised but also did not drink coffee nor alcohol.
My medical history has been very different because I am not very good at moderation and so I overeat sweets and carbs and food in general and have been fat multiple times in my life. So I assume what is healthy for me and sustainable is not the same as my grandparents.
Also, eating local fruits in costa rica will be very different than what I buy in my local supermarket.
Where you live makes a big difference. For example if I eat in US restaurants a few times a week, the food makes me gain weight quickly. Yes when I go to Europe and eat 3 meals a day in restaurants for 2 weeks, ordering similar food, I maintain my weight. The quality of food and how it is cooked makes a difference because I am no more active in Europe than here. My point is again, fruit and fruit may not be the same and healthy very active 45 year old may have very different experience than a woman in 50s who is a lot less healthy and active.
It’s probably seed oils. Your grandparents weren’t exposed to nearly the level we are - especially if you aren’t looking out for it.
@@solidsnake9924 That could be. I grew up cooking using butter and lard and my grandparents were in their 50s when I was born. It was only later we all started using oils.
Probably less sugar and Seed oils as mentioned above.
If they were used to cooking their meals ans and using whole foods.
There was a video pn seed oils from a channel called low carb down under. They visited an isolate set of people from a different part of the world who's main diet consisted of sweet potatoes (yams etc).
They were very healthy people as they never touched seed oils and processed foods/sugars was not part of their diet.
I think simply cooked foods, no seed oils and sugars is kind of the lesser extreme.
@@renatarandmcfadden1872 Probably oils v. butter in cooking is the difference in restaurants too. Oils are as bad or worse than sugar.
I also suspect that the reason fruit is not damaging is due to low levels of oxidation compared to processed sugar and juicing.
Research on human gene says that our life expectancy on average is 120 years old. That means if you do everything as you should by nature, and if there's no freaky accident to kill you short, you would be able to live up to 120 years old ON AVERAGE. That means you could theoretically live a lot longer than 120. So based on that, your grandparents lived 24 years short of the average span. In the context of longevity, anything that isn't optimum can be considered harmful, considering even if the foodstuff doesn't cause any acute truly noticeable symptom, it still cuts your lifespan short.
Will eating fruit and dairy reverse damage caused by keto diets?
Is glucose negatively charged?
I love your videos. So please don't take this question as an attack. Given your including of honey and fruit in your diet, why are you still calling yourself Carnivore MD?
Same reason he says carnivore diet is what our ancestors ate despite the reality-humans ate what was available, and we ate legumes and all kinds of vegetables, and we’ve been processing food for thousands of years.
@Sara Andersson Sounds like you just made that number up. Provide a source.
Do you know that Bears eat berries and honey? They are still carnivores
@@Netvoyodelo111 I didn't know that, thanks for sharing.
@@BadMannerKorea we did not have access to or grow vegetables for a considerable period of time. History shows that when we did start “farming” and including more plant based foods our health suffered.
Thanks for all your dedication to this subject. I am learning so much. Recently started having some diabetic symptoms, so I started doing the carnivore diet to get off the train to NY. Can I have fruit while I'm trying to purge myself of sugars, or should I wait for awhile. Thanks in advance.
You should be more concerned with purging saturated fat not fruit check out the channel mastering diabetes one of The Men Who Run It is a human biologist or biochemist but both guys are diabetics I've been vegan 5 years not
If we can’t eat fruit or honey then what carbs can we eat
How about gout? My gout is always triggered with fruit and honey.