My two cents (which rounds down to nothing here in Canada since we don't have pennies anymore).... Gold doesn't sink to the bottom because it's heavy, gold sinks to the bottom because it's dense (heavy for size).... If you got rid of some of the heavier and larger stuff right off the bat by putting a screen on the top (think large 1/2 inch mesh like chicken wire) it would eliminate them from the material pool and your smaller stuff would move around much easier and it would work faster.... Excited for part 2 buddy!
I completely agree with you! I may have to do the classifier on top to help it out. Hold that thought until next week. I may of already fixed it! Thanks again buddy. I think we have something here!
Your on the right path. I've been working on the same setup and took a while to get it fine tuned..one tip I will give is ,,,,,, run the air full time while filling with dirt
Ricky! Thanks my man! I’ve been hearing that suggestion a lot and I couldn’t agree more. I originally did this for fun and just to experiment with the possibility of it working and it seems like it’s gaining some traction. I have a new video coming out tomorrow where I got better results. We’ll see where this goes and if in the end it’s a disaster, at least I can say I tried and had fun and learned something in the process. Thank again and I appreciate the comment and support!
I’m tracking Durty T. That’s an interesting thought that I can stand behind. So I did make some improvements and on next Fridays video, this thing works way better. I definitely think the science is there and for how impractical or stupid this is, I think there’s something behind it and it’s fun trying it out. Thanks for the comment and support and I definitely appreciate you coming by! Wish me luck for next Friday!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaseryeah, I suppose a constant supply of water at a nuanced level of pressure should be easier than maintaining a reserve of air under pressure.
I agree man :) I can’t use a water pump here so that’s why I’m trying to use air pressure. I completely know this is impractical for real world use, but it’s fun and I like experimenting. Who know, maybe I can crack some codes here! Thanks again 😎
The more people who strive to develop new things the better, not those looking for TH-cam clout, but the ones who do it for the passion of development. I can see you have that genuine drive and that is what it takes, good job on trying to develop something new 💪
@@toothpickmining thanks Toothpick Mining. I appreciate that. I like to try new things like you said because I get bored or wonder "what if". Its still a work in progress but I'm Working on a third video where I'll put some viewer suggestions to the test. It's fun for me and that's honestly all that matters. Thanks again Toothpick and I appreciate your support!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser Bro, most people trying new things fail with the first problem they encounter, those who try and try again are the ones creating the things the next generation will use. Keep it up, you got this…..
@@toothpickmining hey aren't you one of the guests that were on Flash in Your Pan? You had some cool device you were working on! I thought it was great!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser I am not the best with live streams and everything but I tried haha. That was me and thank you, it wasn’t over night though. I think I am going on 7 years of R&D at this point, so it definitely takes time.
Thanks Bob! I appreciate that! I really like doing this and getting the community together is the icing on the cake! I’m glad you’re a part of it! Next weeks video will be better with the contraption working 100 times better! Safe travels my friend and I’ll see you soon!
I'd look into cutting a few more inches of the top bucket and use a braded mesh to classify. I think the gold is getting stuck in the top bucket from the air pushing up. Looks like a great concept though.
Thanks Phickle. I see what you’re saying there and you may be on to something. I already did some improvements on next Fridays video and it worked a 100 times better. I think this can work, even though it’s impractical and unrealistic. I just like messing around trying new concepts… one day, one might stick, lol Thanks for stopping by! I’ll catch you on the next one dude!
Thanks for that Larry! I’m going to still chase this and see where it goes. It’s mostly just for fun but it’s a hobby and prospecting for me should always be… fun :) Thanks again for the support!
When we used to process lead out of dirt with a water bath and air you had to run a constant stream of 45 psi and you had to make sure that your filter above your airlines or pipes had a decent enough mesh to keep solid mass from Leon, I recommend using Screen coverings but your theory is correct on a small scale. If you could even put an agitator which we put on the 4000 ton drum one that we built you’ll find yourself quicker.
That’s so cool Tim! Yea I definitely think it’s going to work and with the adjustments and modifications I did for next Fridays video, it’s a night and day difference. Thanks for the suggestions. I want this to work so bad, not for the fame… lol, just for the fun of it and to do something different! Thanks again Tim!
Nice concept, but instead of pumping air into the bottom of your bucket, try putting a wand aerator on the end of your are hose and stick it down into your classifier bucket. You can move the wand around and keep things stirring with air. Fines will drop through your classifier and you won't lose air pressure through the gap between buckets.
That’s another great idea Sasquatch! Hmm…. I think you have something there. I did make some improvements and in next weeks video it works waaaay better! Appreciate you my friend and again great concept. I’m going to really try and get this to work!
If that is in the back yard I would get 5or 6 railroad ties and put them across creek turn it into a sluice box you could easily clean out behind each flood :)
It definitely is in the backyard, and I would honestly love to do something like that. This summer, when I can work the whole creek, I plan on placing natural riffles every 25-30 feet! Should be interesting. Thanks for coming by GoldChump! Super appreciate it!
I’d go for this idea personally as I do whatever I want on my property, but to any looking to follow laws…. This could be illegal. Dan Hurd had mentioned it on his channel. Modifying the creek bed in some states is illegal. Look up illegal sluice on Dan Hurd’s channel for reference.
Bent Fork! Thanks!!! Yea this is fun and it may be goofy, but it’s worth looking into and seeing where this goes. Next Fridays improvement video will be way better with better results. And I agree with you on the legality of stuff. I’m pretty sure what I did in this video would be frowned upon by this state too… I mean, it’s just air, LOL! Thanks again! I really appreciate you my friend!
Thanks Chief! I really appreciate the kind words and yea, we’ll see where this goes. In next Fridays video, it works a lot better with the few modifications I made, so I’m excited. And this is just for fun. I know it’s impractical but I like to experiment and figured I’d show the masses my successes and failures! Thanks again my friend!
Thanks buddy! I know it’s impractical and never going to be used! But I’m excited to try and get this thing to work. You never know, it may spark something else! Thanks brother!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser i bet the first person to invite the wheel said the same thing lol dude take this idea and run with it. Im excited to see where you take this. Me and a engineer friend of mine are working on a cyclone idea cant wait to show yall.
An Arm and a Greg! Thanks my friend! I really think I’m on to something and I make huge improvements for next week where I actually get it to work better. Thank you so much for the support and comment! I hope you have a great weekend! Heavy Pans!
I think you have a perfectly great idea except for lose the bungees and use the whole bucket as a classifier by grabbing the handle with the air on I think that would be very sufficient and it's probably going to be the quickest classification you can get either way manual labor is required but with the air and the bucket inside of a bucket twisting it is perfect idea
Thanks Butte! I appreciate you coming by my dude! Btw, your videos are great!!! And I like your ideas! This is fun and I know it’s stupid, lol, but still… I think it’s worth pursuing. I made some really good improvements on it for next Fridays video… it ends up working really good. See you then!
Great concept Stoney couldn’t you use water pressure as well You’d just have to find the sweet spot to lift the light sands from the bottom and the heavies sink
Hey Boomer! Thanks! And yes, I could use water pressure but I don’t have a large enough pump and to be honest with you, this is probably illegal to do anyway in Washington state, water or air. But I’m just experimenting and seeing what happens. I made some new improvements and in next Fridays video, the contraption works 100 times better. Thanks for the comment and support Boomer! I really appreciate you!
Liked, shared and commented. Once again I missed live. I was literally just watching u tube. 🤷♂️. I did later c notification, but not a pop up at the time, maybe I wasn’t looking at that exact 3 seconds, I dunno 🤷♂️. I love the outside the box thinking. One possible issue I c is the classifier is a bucket. Not a screen. There’s still a lot of floor to hold the gold. If it was a basket it wouldn’t have a floor. Only round wires. U would definitely make more fall through. This is an interesting experiment. But it’s gonna b hard to beat the fluid bed classifiers on a couple levels. 1. Complexity vs simplicity. Ure machine is still atm complex. Requiring compressor n hose, a couple buckets, bungeed together, a valve that in theory could blow rocks n yer gold out. U gotta bungee n un bungee to dump. N number 2. It is more expensive than fluid beds. Both in initial cost by requiring the compressor set up. And by run cost. Fluid beds run for free. No electricity required. I honestly hope my outlooks n criticism doesn’t deter u in anyway. I’d still love to c u move on with this. Cost isn’t everything we know. Some people want to spend more for the same outcome. We c it everyday. Some r satisfied with a 99€ cup of coffee n some a $4.99 cup. Some buy only expensive brand name products n swear by them being better strictly because of the cost. More expensive must b better. Completely ignoring the fact that many times the same exact products r just sold at different price points. Take electric cars n trucks as another example. They cost a lot initially, then they have limited range. Take forever to charge n pollute the earth with spent lithium batteries. But people buy em like crack. Even if this turns out to b not practical, don’t mean it won’t sell. N please again, don’t take my words as mean. I’m a friend n just telling u what I c. U did ask. Looking 4ward 2 part 2. 🍻🗽🤴🏻 22:22
Joseph! Your feedback is crucial and very much appreciated. Trust me, I want it. So you mentioned fluid bed classifiers above. Do they actually make these in some form or another? I know they make them with sluices, but I was sure if they made them in a “bucket” style like what I made. I checked YT and other sources and couldn’t find anything. Also, I know this is very impractical and I’m not looking to sell these or anything like that. I always like tinkering and like I said in my video, that inspirational video lit a lightbulb in my brain. I just want this to kind of work but mostly have fun with it. Now I did make some massive improvements which you’ll see next week that make this easier and work better, like no more bungee straps, waaaaaaay more holes, another air nozzle design, among with others. Yea the electricity, power and air aspect is still there but it is what it is. All in all, what I’m finding is that the simplest of tools, a pan, classifier and sluice are and will be the best and easiest way to catch gold. That’s the truth hands down… But why not play and try something different. :) Thanks again for your feedback and you never need to apologize or say sorry or worry about offending me with your criticisms, because I don’t take them ever as being a dis or negative. You’re just trying to help and try and make this work! That’s the whole point. I’ve already received a lot of great feedback on this, so we’ll continue to see where this goes. Thanks again Joseph and I hope you have a great night/weekend! I’ll see you on Aaron’s stream if he decides to do some this weekend :)
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser yes. They do make fluid beds in other forms. The gold drop is basically a fluid bed. It’s gold n material suspended in water and water pushes in from underneath. Lights float up n out. But the sluice looking design is most common.🗽🍻🤴🏻
Seems to be a good idea I'd suggest you take the air and blow straight up instead of down maybe it would break the wad that see.s to condense in the main feed bucket also I'd use flat rubber to make a gasket type between the buckets can't wait to see next attempt great idea over all though
Thanks Pitbull and those are great ideas as well. I wanted to have the holes pointed straight up, but I was worried when the air was off, that the concentrates would go into the holes more, but were still going to see if we can make this work. That idea may be the hot ticket. Thanks again Pitbull! I appreciate the suggestions!
It's fun at work. Great concept. Try high presser water. Make it overflow to remove the lights from the bucket. At the right running rate gold should fall out.
Thanks Basil Key! I really like the idea of having the lights overflow from the top of the bucket. As for the reality of this being practical, I know it’s unrealistic, but I like to tinker and experiment with new ideas. So this is more fun than having a production model. This is having fun while prospecting and I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks again my friend!
Thanks pk gold & opal hunting! I know it’s kind of silly, but you never know. It could work. Next Friday you’ll see some improvements. It’s science baby!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser just thinking about your idea you could pump water from the bottom with a tap to regulate the flow, that way when you on the creek you wont need a compressor just use the same pump as the high banker should work the same
@pkgoldopalhunting that’s a really good idea! I’m working in my legality realm of where I am and what I can and can’t do, so I’m trying my best to not get in trouble, lol, but your idea is where I’d be going! Thanks
“A” for effort buddy.. now my ideas😎.. definitely a screen mesh bottom.. a 3inch spacer between buckets … working it on an angle instead of upright 🥸.. good luck!
JT! I love the ideas!!! Thank you! I’m getting tons of feedback on this and this is great! I know this is impractical for prospecting, but I like tinkering and trying new things… so this is more fun for me then anything, but I still think there is something there… In next Fridays video, I made some great improvements that make this thing work way better. You’ll see :) thanks again!
Great video!! Issue the bucket so deep few seconds, the gold can't travel fast enough to get the bottom. If there were a air timer when shoveling. It could be working when you're working. On, off more times.
Travels! Hey! Wow I really like the air timer idea. Now that’s using our heads! Thank you so much. I know this is just for fun, but I like seeing what can happen and experimenting. It definitely makes the hobby more enjoyable. Next Fridays will be better with the improvements! Thank again! I really appreciate your support!
My man Sean! You are too kind my friend. And being smart is subjective, lol, I have plenty of friends who would think otherwise. Thanks for the comment and support. I'm still working on the device... I want it to work!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser maybe air agitation at the point of an upside down cone (similar to a road cone). Gold would settle to the point on the bottom?
I think place a small strip of weatherstripping foam around the inside of the bottom bucket. You should still be able to slide the buckets together because of the taper and it will also give you a little more room in the lower bucket. Also smaller air holes in the pupe to be able to release air at a more controlled rate.
Thanks Michael! I like your smaller holes idea and putting foam around the bucket. I already did my second test with much better results but if I do a third, I’ll try and incorporate some of the suggestions I got from these comments. Thanks again for the comment and support. I really appreciate you!
Also, if you're separating with a fluid bed. We used to run dry fluid beds to classify. If you keep pulling the rocks, that may classify faster. Low velocity is critical for this!
Thanks Robert. Yea others have given some great ideas to slap a screen on top so the bigger rocks don’t drop in. Even though I already did the second video for next Friday, it works better but it’s not perfect, but I’m keeping all of these suggestions written down for a possible third video. I’m not even sure what this is anymore. It’s not really a fluid bed, but the air that flows through creates a fluid bed and so on. Hahah. So basically, I have no clue what I’m doing or talking about :) Appreciate ya Robert!
I actually have a semi similar idea. Actually I have had several ideas rolling around in my head just no time or place to try it where I am. One thing I would suggest for your idea, put the holes facing upward or to the side. By pushing the air down you are pushing the gold up. Another idea for this is to use the gaskets from the lid for the seal. Me personally (using this air compressor method), I would run a straight pipe with inline holes down the side of the pipe after the valve with a plug at the end. Can easily slide it in and out of the side of the bucket. Essentially I would be trying to create a centrifugal effect (tornadoe) inside the bucket. But honestly a drill with a mud mixing bit would be a lot better for this application.
Hey Shenanigans! I like it, especially the pipe idea and you using it as a wand. I think that makes the most sense. I thought of having holes drilled on top of the pipe at the bottom, but I was thinking the gold could potentially settle in the pipe when air isn’t running. And I actually thought of using the lid gasket as you suggested, so I may do that in the future. I already ran the second test with my upgraded improvements and had much better luck (next Friday), but if I do a third test, I’ll be sure and try some ideas I got from here. Thanks for the interest and I hope you have a great day! Thanks for the continued support!
so if you are thinking outside the box, are you thinking inside the bucket? love thinkering stimulates the brain, and another great video, thanks Stoney
lol Danny! Yea I guess I am thinking inside the bucket 🤣. Thanks for stopping by. I know it wasn’t the best, but I made some improvements for next Fridays video. I think there is something here I want to pursue more. You have to fail before you succeed! Thanks again Danny! I’ll catch you on the next one!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser doesn't matter if it didn't work just right, your videos are good enough to make it seem like I am there holding the camera and can't wait to see the golden smile. Creeks are still to high here, lots and lots of rain, and more coming, can't wait to use my dream mat, heavy pans brother
You can't have air coming up through all of the holes. Some gold may be heavy enough to drop through the air bubbles but none of the finer material will. If this is supposed to be a classifier then you want only some holes blasting air up. And you will need to stir the contents. Should work great that way.
You should try to find a place that does pool cleaning and maintenance and ask them for one of their empty chem buckets a lot of the buckets used for pool chems are a 7 gal bucket that are taller, which could be used for the lower bucket and would give you more space below the 5 gal top bucket.
Hey Emanon! That a fantastic idea and I'll look into that. That would give me for sure more space to fill. Awesome feedback my friend! Thanks for your support my friend!
What about flipping the air coil upside down in the bucket? The holes would still let the air out but it may be less prone to having material settle in through the holes when the air flow stops.
Hey CommonSense! Thanks for the comment. So I already do have the holes drilled into the very bottom of the coil, so basically the air is coming out and hitting the bucket bottom then floating to the top. I wasn’t sure if I was clear on that in the video. Are you wanting me to have to holes in this position or pointed up? I think from what I read, I’m doing what you suggested which is cool. Yea I didn’t want the material to migrate into the holes when the air stopped. The video that comes out tonight is a redesign and it works a lot better, still not perfect, but we’re getting somewhere. Thanks again for the comment and support!
I think, with only a 2 inch chamber between the buckets, there's not enough space for agitation. The space is going to fill with material quickly. Try a 7 gallon bucket for the base. A 5 gallon for the 1/8 inch, and a 3 gallon for the 1/4 inch.
Hey Eyeslo! I think you are the second person stating to use a 7 gallon bucket. I really like that idea. I also like your other bucket ideas with the different layers of classification. I think that could definitely work to my advantage. I really appreciate the comment and support my friend :)
try running the air such that it only slightly aggitates, you dont want too much pressure coming through the holes. seems like ya gotta give the heavys a chance to get past the chambers. ya want to liquify, not boil.
Thanks Eric! I did better on my second video and I’m still working on a third video but it’s looking promising and I completely get what you are saying and will do just that. Thanks again Eric! I appreciate you and your support!
You would be better off using water. Also in the inspiration video, th-cam.com/video/A7slq3f2lJU/w-d-xo.html, they used a K Type nitrogen tank that puts out 2,200 psi when full. There is another video where they tried twice with different air compressors, one more powerful than the other and they couldn't get it to work either.
Hey amadeoap! Thanks for commenting! I would love to use water but I can’t as per my states rules, so yes, if I could, I would most absolutely use water. And that’s good to know about them using nitrogen vs air. I also know that this is impractical for any prospector but I like experimenting and thought I’d give it a go. I made some improvements and on next Fridays video, I got it working a lot better, night and day difference, so there’s something here :) Thanks again and I massively appreciate the support!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser I don't think it is so much the nitrogen vs air but the pressure. I wanted to say in the last comment that you are making more of a concentrator than a classifier.Also this fluidized bed is what is being done when you stratify in your pan. What I don't understand is why someone hasn't brought to market a batea type pan with a screw cap on the bottom so instead of swirling the light material off the pan you just pull off the cap and there are your heavies. Then you can just dump out everything else in the pan.
@amadeoap you know I’ve often wondered that as well with the batea pan. That sounds like an incredible idea! I think you should give it a shot my friend :)
Brendan! Awesome! I can do this on a potential 3rd test run! Thank you for the suggestion and support! I’ve received a lot of ideas on this “project” You Rock!
Yes, the lights overflow from the top of the bucket is what you want. You may lose some float gold, but it is what it is. Try with water and make a video. I will subscribe now just to see it. More pressure the faster it will work up to a point. May have to make bigger holes in the pipe. ??? The holes on the bottom is the right way to do it. One place I worked we had bubblers in tanks and had them on the bottom to keep them from stopping up when cut off. Just a though. May have to put holes in the side of the bucket all around from the top down to a point to help it clean out. Remember gold drops fast so some holes up high will not make you lose gold. I like this so much I may make one. The wife and I do gold hunt.
Nice Basil! And I love your idea about making more holes… I couldn’t agree more! As for having water flow into it. I honestly can’t because of the rules here but I know it would work just as well if not better than the air. Also, I’m glad your going to make one. It’s easy and cheap and actually with a very low watered area, this actually might be the hot ticket to get a bunch of concentrates and bring them home to run. Just an idea though. Anyhow, thank you again for the sub and comment. I really appreciate it!
I think you are on to something. Look at a ball jig. Pulsing water may be an idea instead of air. Then you could use a foot pump or something? But no one comes up with something new without testing ideas. ✌️✌️✌️
Thanks culver! I hope you are doing well my friend! Pulsing water… hmm, that’s an idea I haven’t thought of yet. Thanks dude! And I’m with you, it doesn’t hurt to try something new… I know this is just for fun, but I want it to work… even though it’s completely impractical. Cheers bud!
What if you ran the air intermittently? Because maybe the constant air pressure is preventing the hs from dropping down to the coil bucket? Stop, shake bucket, start again ?idk.
Pamela! I'm loving the ideas and this video alone has sparked some great conversations, so I deeply appreciate your comment and support! As I stated earlier to another commenter, I'm still working on this and I believe I can get it to work. I like your idea and it makes sense. I'll try it and see where it leaves us. Thank you again so much!!!
Hey Phillip! Thanks for the comment and support. I'm totally tracking with what you are saying. I have exactly what you are saying, it's by arborfab and it's a 1/4 classifier you can stick in a bucket. That's a really good idea. Thanks my friend :)
Hey Ian! I really think it could work! You would just need a lot of water pressure to help stratify the material. Thanks for the suggestion. I’ve been getting a lot of really great ideas on this and to be honest, this is an experiment to have fun with but it seems to be gaining some traction. So I appreciate the support and look forward to pursuing this :)
Now that’s interesting Denny… hmm… I like that. I may incorporate that in the future. For next Fridays video, i made some little adjustments and it did work a lot better, and i plan on making a 3rd test video with things I learned from comments. I like yours for sure. Thanks again Denny :)
So essentially a cross between a dry-blower and a hydraulic riffle? I suspect the idea may work with a redesign to continuous stream air through smaller (1/32) holes in the top bucket that uses the space between the buckets for a manifold rather than for collection. Screen your material the way Chris at Vogus does (with a deep-frying basket) and use the system continuously by just throwing many shovels of dirt into it and washing off all the light stuff. That way you can pre-process a dozen or so buckets worth of material and then carry the resulting bucket of heavies to your sluice. But as you say, the extra hardware required makes it impractical for most locations, but an interesting experiment none the less.
Hey Mick! Thanks for taking the time to comment and give some suggestions! And yea I’m not sure what to call this thing! Haha! This was more for fun and to experiment a little bit, but from the comments, people really like the idea and want me to pursue it more. I do have better luck in this Fridays new video, so it’s encouraging. But like how you and I stated, this is pretty impractical for a real-world use, but regardless it’s still fun trying something new. Thanks again and I hope you have a fantastic weekend!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser Upon further cognitive work, I think the system would work even better if you used water instead of air, which would be a closer analog to the original fluidised sand inspiration and not only settle things down a little but be easier to do in the field. (You just need a water pump) Then I realised the result would just be a scaled up version of the fluidised bed concentrator. Instead of processing concentrates, you process the paydirt into concentrates that you then run through the sluice. May be useful in places where you don't have running water to set up the sluice, you can "process" a dozen buckets or so worth of paydirt and carry the resulting bucket to the sluice. I have been toying with such ideas, and every time I think I come up with something new, I find out it already exists in practical form :)
I agree Mick, I’m pretty sure everything has been done before. I did do some research on this particular gadget and came up empty handed but like you said, I’m sure it’s been tried with other similar devices out there. And I do also agree that this could be used if you had an area with little to no water flow, which would be more practical. Just keep “concentrating” it until you have some really heavy concentrates. I also had a longtime viewer tell me to get rid of the air hose, dump a shovel or two worth of material in there and then rapidly shake it up and down. This would make the water move up and down thus forcing the smaller heavy to sink because the material would stratify, so I may try that on a potential third video. Either way, this has been fun and it’s been great having these discussions on what I honestly thought was a joke of a test. lol, thanks again Mick. I appreciate ya
looking at this idea there are 12v and up portable air pump ..like air mattress,and even a 20v Mellif duster.. i I I found this..Quick-Fill® AC Electric Air Pump - 38.9 CFM ....depending how much air ya need to push the fill around that might do the trick and im sure there is higher rating pumps..If your at base camp then its a different setup .for the back country this could work.Peace looks like others have the same idea lol...
I may have suggested this before, and am not sure if it matches your values for the channel, but I’d be all for you having a link to your Amazon wishlist to assist with your concept builds or whatever helps others learn and or get value from your channel. I’d be willing to fund a sump pump in regards, which seems a route that may be useful in the future on testing ideas. Let me know how I can help promote these great ideas get tested and posted for all use, build off of, learn from. 5* channel
Thanks brother! I don’t have an amazon wishlist, but it’s all good. I definitely appreciate your support in the channel. This is really cool if you. I’m still gonna do a video with that light you sent me! I’m just waiting for the perfect night! As for making these contraptions. I’m just doing this for fun and I know it’s impractical and not going to work in a real world prospecting scenario but it’s still cool to try. I like experimenting and having fun. That’s what makes this awesome! Keep staying fresh brother!
I gotta say it’s a great concept but I think you’re going about it backwards. Let me explain… With your air tube in the bottom bucket you can only get a fraction of the fines to fall from the classifier bucket because once you get enough material to fall through to the bottom it will eventually block the holes. Other fluid bed classifiers I’ve seen have a separate area for the fines to settle into.
Heh Salmon King! Thanks for commenting and I agree with what you’re saying. I actually thought about putting another bucket below that and having the classified cons collect in there. It’s worth trying for sure. I’m currently working on a part 3 where I’m putting some viewer ideas to the test. I’m liking how it’s going so far. It’s fun to do regardless how impractical this is :) lol
lol! No worries Moe, chats honestly the best part, but it was fun doing this. I think this can work and like I said in the video, I made improvements for next weeks video and it worked so much better, so we’ll see where this goes. I like to tinker like you do and why not try something different… what’s it gonna hurt right? Also, thanks again for the kind words on your video, it meant a lot to me :)
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser The reason I wrote 20 Hz is because gold resonates 14-about 20Hz, because it will resonate, it should clump in patterns that make it easy to see and easy to steer in a direction. Experimentation will find what frequency works best with the level of carat there is in the gold you mine, different amounts of different types of impurities in the gold will give different frequencies that will cause it to resonate.
@Anashadk that is so cool to know! Thank you for that. I love the science that applies and it helps me to understand. Really appreciate it! Thanks again for replying.
There’s no such thing as failure in an experiment, unless you die but even then it might not be a failure..lol but you definitely need more hole in you classifier bucket It would help the air percolate into your classifier bucket instead of trying to leak out between the two But also, what I think is happening there’s too much turbulence with out room for the heavier elements to sink and it’s keeping your small pieces floating with the lighter materials also, remember, the video you’re trying to mimic was done with dry sand.
Adrien! Good morning and thank you for that! And I did just as you suggested for my second test and it works out great. And I agree with you on failing…. It’s all part of it. Thank you again for the continued support. You’re amazing 😎
Thanks Roy! Another good idea. You’ll see in tonight video that I made a lot more holes, so basically, it’s a complete strainer on the bottom now. It definitely worked better, but still not perfect. Thanks again!
Hey Just Steve! Thanks for coming by and leaving a comment :) Yes you are right, I’ve seen those as well and I was more saying that I haven’t seen a setup like this in particular with buckets for prospecting. lol. I also see that this is really impractical because there are too many variables and stuff to move with you to do this. Classifying with a classifier and bucket really is and will be the best way, but I like experimenting and having fun, so this takes care of both for me :) I hope you’re having a fantastic weekend my friend! 💪😎👍
Exactly Jason and thank you! It’s fun tinkering and trying new things. I just want to make prospecting fun and try and get the juices flowing for people that watch. Thanks for the support and comment! I really appreciate having you here!
Maybe a classifier basket in the top bucket would be cool also an air stone on the bottom bucket for smaller bubbles and and more even flow would be cool
Thanks Ben! The suggestion with having a classifier on top has been made before and I like it. Some have even said to have a tiered system with 1/2” then to 1/8”. Either way, I’ll give it a shot and see where this goes. It’s fun experimenting and that’s what makes this interesting!
Your air velocity is way too high! You have created an agitated bed, not a fluidized bed. Do that to shake the dirt off the rocks then slow it down to fluiize it and let the denser particles settle. A fluid bed stops being fluidized when the gas velocity is high enough to carry particles out of the bed. This point is called the "transport velocity".
Thanks Robert! I had a feeling someone smarter than me was gonna come in here and actually tell me what was going on. Lol This is good info to know though Robert. And this is mostly for fun but having said that… I do think I can take this somewhere and maybe make something that actually works. This test was a dud, but my test for next week works so much better, so I figured out some issues and made some solutions. I’m hoping more people like you, give me some ideas for a possible test video 3. Or… maybe I’ll just take this bucket system and kick it across the creek, haha. Thanks Robert for the comment and support! I hope you’re having a great weekend!
Om 80now been panning since 7 claimed 66,000+acres of mining claims developed this to test claims watched you shovel how many 3shov😊el buckets watch video bet you can beat my time
That's awesome Douglas! You're a legend! Wow, that's a lot of mining acres and I bet you have some fantastic stores to tell. I think you my friend... have lived the dream that many of us only dream about!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser i also teach panning give me and hr get you to 10sec pans in first hr learn to constantly move material what do you think you can shovel in your own mimd ,15 x 10min 150/ 3shovel buckets average is 50 buckets
@douglasbrown4775 I see the science where your coming from and I believe you for sure. It's all about efficiency and how much you can move. The more the better. I think I'm a pretty fast prospector but I tend to go too hard and then wear myself out. That's why I like taking my time. Plus my property has a gold creek on it, so it's not going anywhere :)
My two cents (which rounds down to nothing here in Canada since we don't have pennies anymore).... Gold doesn't sink to the bottom because it's heavy, gold sinks to the bottom because it's dense (heavy for size).... If you got rid of some of the heavier and larger stuff right off the bat by putting a screen on the top (think large 1/2 inch mesh like chicken wire) it would eliminate them from the material pool and your smaller stuff would move around much easier and it would work faster.... Excited for part 2 buddy!
I completely agree with you! I may have to do the classifier on top to help it out. Hold that thought until next week. I may of already fixed it! Thanks again buddy. I think we have something here!
Your on the right path.
I've been working on the same setup and took a while to get it fine tuned..one tip I will give is ,,,,,, run the air full time while filling with dirt
Ricky! Thanks my man!
I’ve been hearing that suggestion a lot and I couldn’t agree more. I originally did this for fun and just to experiment with the possibility of it working and it seems like it’s gaining some traction. I have a new video coming out tomorrow where I got better results.
We’ll see where this goes and if in the end it’s a disaster, at least I can say I tried and had fun and learned something in the process.
Thank again and I appreciate the comment and support!
You need to do it with fluid. Air bubbles create surface tension that the gold can't break at that size. It's the same reason we use Jet dry.
I’m tracking Durty T. That’s an interesting thought that I can stand behind. So I did make some improvements and on next Fridays video, this thing works way better. I definitely think the science is there and for how impractical or stupid this is, I think there’s something behind it and it’s fun trying it out. Thanks for the comment and support and I definitely appreciate you coming by! Wish me luck for next Friday!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaseryeah, I suppose a constant supply of water at a nuanced level of pressure should be easier than maintaining a reserve of air under pressure.
I agree man :) I can’t use a water pump here so that’s why I’m trying to use air pressure. I completely know this is impractical for real world use, but it’s fun and I like experimenting. Who know, maybe I can crack some codes here! Thanks again 😎
I was thinking gravity feed water like the gravity sluice, with a long tube upriver
The more people who strive to develop new things the better, not those looking for TH-cam clout, but the ones who do it for the passion of development. I can see you have that genuine drive and that is what it takes, good job on trying to develop something new 💪
@@toothpickmining thanks Toothpick Mining. I appreciate that. I like to try new things like you said because I get bored or wonder "what if". Its still a work in progress but I'm
Working on a third video where I'll put some viewer suggestions to the test. It's fun for me and that's honestly all that matters.
Thanks again Toothpick and I appreciate your support!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser Bro, most people trying new things fail with the first problem they encounter, those who try and try again are the ones creating the things the next generation will use. Keep it up, you got this…..
Thanks dude! We're gonna keep going! 👍
@@toothpickmining hey aren't you one of the guests that were on Flash in Your Pan? You had some cool device you were working on! I thought it was great!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser I am not the best with live streams and everything but I tried haha. That was me and thank you, it wasn’t over night though. I think I am going on 7 years of R&D at this point, so it definitely takes time.
I like how you are getting more video’s out Stoney. Keep on doing what you do. Those livestreams this week was great! Excellent camaraderie…
Thanks Bob! I appreciate that! I really like doing this and getting the community together is the icing on the cake! I’m glad you’re a part of it! Next weeks video will be better with the contraption working 100 times better! Safe travels my friend and I’ll see you soon!
I'd look into cutting a few more inches of the top bucket and use a braded mesh to classify. I think the gold is getting stuck in the top bucket from the air pushing up. Looks like a great concept though.
Thanks Phickle. I see what you’re saying there and you may be on to something. I already did some improvements on next Fridays video and it worked a 100 times better.
I think this can work, even though it’s impractical and unrealistic. I just like messing around trying new concepts… one day, one might stick, lol
Thanks for stopping by! I’ll catch you on the next one dude!
Thank you for trying something new!
Thanks for that Larry! I’m going to still chase this and see where it goes. It’s mostly just for fun but it’s a hobby and prospecting for me should always be… fun :) Thanks again for the support!
When we used to process lead out of dirt with a water bath and air you had to run a constant stream of 45 psi and you had to make sure that your filter above your airlines or pipes had a decent enough mesh to keep solid mass from Leon, I recommend using Screen coverings but your theory is correct on a small scale. If you could even put an agitator which we put on the 4000 ton drum one that we built you’ll find yourself quicker.
That’s so cool Tim! Yea I definitely think it’s going to work and with the adjustments and modifications I did for next Fridays video, it’s a night and day difference. Thanks for the suggestions. I want this to work so bad, not for the fame… lol, just for the fun of it and to do something different! Thanks again Tim!
Nice concept, but instead of pumping air into the bottom of your bucket, try putting a wand aerator on the end of your are hose and stick it down into your classifier bucket. You can move the wand around and keep things stirring with air. Fines will drop through your classifier and you won't lose air pressure through the gap between buckets.
That’s another great idea Sasquatch! Hmm…. I think you have something there. I did make some improvements and in next weeks video it works waaaay better!
Appreciate you my friend and again great concept. I’m going to really try and get this to work!
Interesting, thanks for sharing
Thanks Vester! I'm not done yet, but it sure was an interesting experiment!
This should be interesting 🧐
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Thanks brother! I got your email as well. Just so you know. :) I’ll catch you later dude!
If that is in the back yard I would get 5or 6 railroad ties and put them across creek turn it into a sluice box you could easily clean out behind each flood :)
It definitely is in the backyard, and I would honestly love to do something like that. This summer, when I can work the whole creek, I plan on placing natural riffles every 25-30 feet! Should be interesting. Thanks for coming by GoldChump! Super appreciate it!
I’d go for this idea personally as I do whatever I want on my property, but to any looking to follow laws…. This could be illegal. Dan Hurd had mentioned it on his channel. Modifying the creek bed in some states is illegal. Look up illegal sluice on Dan Hurd’s channel for reference.
@supabiscuit I completely agree brother. Definitely need to do more research on this!
Cool Stoney! ......ive been diving down the fluid bed rabit hole lately myself. Just need to find a spot where its legal.
Bent Fork! Thanks!!! Yea this is fun and it may be goofy, but it’s worth looking into and seeing where this goes. Next Fridays improvement video will be way better with better results.
And I agree with you on the legality of stuff. I’m pretty sure what I did in this video would be frowned upon by this state too… I mean, it’s just air, LOL!
Thanks again! I really appreciate you my friend!
Can't wait to see where this goes! Awesome video thank you!!
Thanks Chief! I really appreciate the kind words and yea, we’ll see where this goes. In next Fridays video, it works a lot better with the few modifications I made, so I’m excited.
And this is just for fun. I know it’s impractical but I like to experiment and figured I’d show the masses my successes and failures! Thanks again my friend!
Very interesting!
Thanks buddy! I know it’s impractical and never going to be used! But I’m excited to try and get this thing to work. You never know, it may spark something else! Thanks brother!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser i bet the first person to invite the wheel said the same thing lol dude take this idea and run with it. Im excited to see where you take this. Me and a engineer friend of mine are working on a cyclone idea cant wait to show yall.
@Rockbottomadventurez nice bro and thanks! I’m excited to see your cyclone idea from you and your friend! Let’s go
Great Video!
An Arm and a Greg! Thanks my friend! I really think I’m on to something and I make huge improvements for next week where I actually get it to work better. Thank you so much for the support and comment! I hope you have a great weekend! Heavy Pans!
This is what prospecting is about! Love the build brother!!!
Thanks Dude! I know it’s impractical but it’s still fun to experiment with something new! I’ll catch ya on the next one big dawg!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser 100% it’s a different feeling when you use something no one else has 😁👊
That’s what I’m talking about :) I hope things are going well on the island brother!
I think you have a perfectly great idea except for lose the bungees and use the whole bucket as a classifier by grabbing the handle with the air on I think that would be very sufficient and it's probably going to be the quickest classification you can get either way manual labor is required but with the air and the bucket inside of a bucket twisting it is perfect idea
Thanks Butte! I appreciate you coming by my dude! Btw, your videos are great!!!
And I like your ideas! This is fun and I know it’s stupid, lol, but still… I think it’s worth pursuing. I made some really good improvements on it for next Fridays video… it ends up working really good. See you then!
Great concept Stoney couldn’t you use water pressure as well You’d just have to find the sweet spot to lift the light sands from the bottom and the heavies sink
Hey Boomer! Thanks! And yes, I could use water pressure but I don’t have a large enough pump and to be honest with you, this is probably illegal to do anyway in Washington state, water or air.
But I’m just experimenting and seeing what happens. I made some new improvements and in next Fridays video, the contraption works 100 times better.
Thanks for the comment and support Boomer! I really appreciate you!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser I’ll make sure to stop by and take a peek
@boomersadventures thanks Boomer! I hope you have a great weekend!!!
Liked, shared and commented. Once again I missed live. I was literally just watching u tube. 🤷♂️. I did later c notification, but not a pop up at the time, maybe I wasn’t looking at that exact 3 seconds, I dunno 🤷♂️. I love the outside the box thinking. One possible issue I c is the classifier is a bucket. Not a screen. There’s still a lot of floor to hold the gold. If it was a basket it wouldn’t have a floor. Only round wires. U would definitely make more fall through. This is an interesting experiment. But it’s gonna b hard to beat the fluid bed classifiers on a couple levels. 1. Complexity vs simplicity. Ure machine is still atm complex. Requiring compressor n hose, a couple buckets, bungeed together, a valve that in theory could blow rocks n yer gold out. U gotta bungee n un bungee to dump. N number 2. It is more expensive than fluid beds. Both in initial cost by requiring the compressor set up. And by run cost. Fluid beds run for free. No electricity required. I honestly hope my outlooks n criticism doesn’t deter u in anyway. I’d still love to c u move on with this. Cost isn’t everything we know. Some people want to spend more for the same outcome. We c it everyday. Some r satisfied with a 99€ cup of coffee n some a $4.99 cup. Some buy only expensive brand name products n swear by them being better strictly because of the cost. More expensive must b better. Completely ignoring the fact that many times the same exact products r just sold at different price points. Take electric cars n trucks as another example. They cost a lot initially, then they have limited range. Take forever to charge n pollute the earth with spent lithium batteries. But people buy em like crack.
Even if this turns out to b not practical, don’t mean it won’t sell. N please again, don’t take my words as mean. I’m a friend n just telling u what I c. U did ask. Looking 4ward 2 part 2. 🍻🗽🤴🏻 22:22
Joseph! Your feedback is crucial and very much appreciated. Trust me, I want it.
So you mentioned fluid bed classifiers above. Do they actually make these in some form or another? I know they make them with sluices, but I was sure if they made them in a “bucket” style like what I made. I checked YT and other sources and couldn’t find anything.
Also, I know this is very impractical and I’m not looking to sell these or anything like that. I always like tinkering and like I said in my video, that inspirational video lit a lightbulb in my brain. I just want this to kind of work but mostly have fun with it.
Now I did make some massive improvements which you’ll see next week that make this easier and work better, like no more bungee straps, waaaaaaay more holes, another air nozzle design, among with others. Yea the electricity, power and air aspect is still there but it is what it is.
All in all, what I’m finding is that the simplest of tools, a pan, classifier and sluice are and will be the best and easiest way to catch gold. That’s the truth hands down…
But why not play and try something different. :)
Thanks again for your feedback and you never need to apologize or say sorry or worry about offending me with your criticisms, because I don’t take them ever as being a dis or negative.
You’re just trying to help and try and make this work! That’s the whole point. I’ve already received a lot of great feedback on this, so we’ll continue to see where this goes.
Thanks again Joseph and I hope you have a great night/weekend! I’ll see you on Aaron’s stream if he decides to do some this weekend :)
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser yes. They do make fluid beds in other forms. The gold drop is basically a fluid bed. It’s gold n material suspended in water and water pushes in from underneath. Lights float up n out. But the sluice looking design is most common.🗽🍻🤴🏻
@josephknowlton7246 morning Joseph! Yea that’s what I thought as well. I’ve seen plenty of sluices with the idea, just not with a bucket. Excellent!
Seems to be a good idea I'd suggest you take the air and blow straight up instead of down maybe it would break the wad that see.s to condense in the main feed bucket also I'd use flat rubber to make a gasket type between the buckets can't wait to see next attempt great idea over all though
Thanks Pitbull and those are great ideas as well. I wanted to have the holes pointed straight up, but I was worried when the air was off, that the concentrates would go into the holes more, but were still going to see if we can make this work. That idea may be the hot ticket.
Thanks again Pitbull! I appreciate the suggestions!
It's fun at work. Great concept. Try high presser water. Make it overflow to remove the lights from the bucket. At the right running rate gold should fall out.
Thanks Basil Key! I really like the idea of having the lights overflow from the top of the bucket.
As for the reality of this being practical, I know it’s unrealistic, but I like to tinker and experiment with new ideas. So this is more fun than having a production model. This is having fun while prospecting and I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks again my friend!
Dude! I love this kind of stuff! Interesting concept. I’d give some advice, but I have no how to make that work. Great video though 👍👍
Thanks man! Me too. I think I have something here. I made some improvements already and in next weeks video we have better luck! Let’s go buddy!
great idea
Thanks pk gold & opal hunting! I know it’s kind of silly, but you never know. It could work. Next Friday you’ll see some improvements. It’s science baby!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser just thinking about your idea you could pump water from the bottom with a tap to regulate the flow, that way when you on the creek you wont need a compressor just use the same pump as the high banker should work the same
@pkgoldopalhunting that’s a really good idea! I’m working in my legality realm of where I am and what I can and can’t do, so I’m trying my best to not get in trouble, lol, but your idea is where I’d be going! Thanks
“A” for effort buddy.. now my ideas😎.. definitely a screen mesh bottom.. a 3inch spacer between buckets … working it on an angle instead of upright 🥸.. good luck!
JT! I love the ideas!!! Thank you! I’m getting tons of feedback on this and this is great! I know this is impractical for prospecting, but I like tinkering and trying new things… so this is more fun for me then anything, but I still think there is something there…
In next Fridays video, I made some great improvements that make this thing work way better. You’ll see :) thanks again!
Great video!! Issue the bucket so deep few seconds, the gold can't travel fast enough to get the bottom. If there were a air timer when shoveling. It could be working when you're working. On, off more times.
Travels! Hey! Wow I really like the air timer idea. Now that’s using our heads! Thank you so much.
I know this is just for fun, but I like seeing what can happen and experimenting. It definitely makes the hobby more enjoyable. Next Fridays will be better with the improvements!
Thank again! I really appreciate your support!
youre smart, dude. nice work.
My man Sean! You are too kind my friend. And being smart is subjective, lol, I have plenty of friends who would think otherwise. Thanks for the comment and support. I'm still working on the device... I want it to work!
You’re a genius Stoney!
Thanks Stan! I’m really trying to make this work! Next weeks test goes way better. We may be on to something :) appreciate ya bud :)
🤔…. Awesome idea. I look forward to seeing how this pans out
Thanks dude! Remember, it’s only a test… and a dud at that, but next week the improvements are better! See you then dude!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser maybe air agitation at the point of an upside down cone (similar to a road cone). Gold would settle to the point on the bottom?
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser “only a test”?…. Test are how we learn. Failure is preparation for success.
That’s a great idea… hmm… like I say in the video, the science is there… now just how to use it
I think place a small strip of weatherstripping foam around the inside of the bottom bucket. You should still be able to slide the buckets together because of the taper and it will also give you a little more room in the lower bucket. Also smaller air holes in the pupe to be able to release air at a more controlled rate.
Thanks Michael! I like your smaller holes idea and putting foam around the bucket. I already did my second test with much better results but if I do a third, I’ll try and incorporate some of the suggestions I got from these comments. Thanks again for the comment and support. I really appreciate you!
Also, if you're separating with a fluid bed. We used to run dry fluid beds to classify. If you keep pulling the rocks, that may classify faster. Low velocity is critical for this!
Thanks Robert. Yea others have given some great ideas to slap a screen on top so the bigger rocks don’t drop in.
Even though I already did the second video for next Friday, it works better but it’s not perfect, but I’m keeping all of these suggestions written down for a possible third video.
I’m not even sure what this is anymore. It’s not really a fluid bed, but the air that flows through creates a fluid bed and so on. Hahah. So basically, I have no clue what I’m doing or talking about :)
Appreciate ya Robert!
Just keep trying! And keep the air low and slow!👍
Your retired Chemical Engineer!🤣
Thanks Robert :) love and slow 💪😎👍
I actually have a semi similar idea. Actually I have had several ideas rolling around in my head just no time or place to try it where I am. One thing I would suggest for your idea, put the holes facing upward or to the side. By pushing the air down you are pushing the gold up. Another idea for this is to use the gaskets from the lid for the seal. Me personally (using this air compressor method), I would run a straight pipe with inline holes down the side of the pipe after the valve with a plug at the end. Can easily slide it in and out of the side of the bucket. Essentially I would be trying to create a centrifugal effect (tornadoe) inside the bucket. But honestly a drill with a mud mixing bit would be a lot better for this application.
Hey Shenanigans! I like it, especially the pipe idea and you using it as a wand. I think that makes the most sense.
I thought of having holes drilled on top of the pipe at the bottom, but I was thinking the gold could potentially settle in the pipe when air isn’t running.
And I actually thought of using the lid gasket as you suggested, so I may do that in the future.
I already ran the second test with my upgraded improvements and had much better luck (next Friday), but if I do a third test, I’ll be sure and try some ideas I got from here.
Thanks for the interest and I hope you have a great day! Thanks for the continued support!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser no problem man hope it all works out
Its like a drywasher method but your using water lol...
Thanks man! And to be honest, I’ve never even seen a dry wash before. Let’s see where this goes!
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so if you are thinking outside the box, are you thinking inside the bucket?
love thinkering stimulates the brain,
and another great video, thanks Stoney
lol Danny! Yea I guess I am thinking inside the bucket 🤣.
Thanks for stopping by. I know it wasn’t the best, but I made some improvements for next Fridays video. I think there is something here I want to pursue more. You have to fail before you succeed! Thanks again Danny! I’ll catch you on the next one!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser doesn't matter if it didn't work just right, your videos are good enough to make it seem like I am there holding the camera and can't wait to see the golden smile. Creeks are still to high here, lots and lots of rain, and more coming, can't wait to use my dream mat, heavy pans brother
@pick4u2 heavy pans dude! I can’t wait until you can get out there and find some gold! And I love that you can join me! I’ll catch you later bro!
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Very interesting video braddah 👊🏽👍🏽 keep it up you are in to something new to prospectors 🤠🤙🏽 mahalo for sharing
Thanks brother! Let’s see where this goes! I’m still going for it!
You can't have air coming up through all of the holes. Some gold may be heavy enough to drop through the air bubbles but none of the finer material will. If this is supposed to be a classifier then you want only some holes blasting air up. And you will need to stir the contents. Should work great that way.
You should try to find a place that does pool cleaning and maintenance and ask them for one of their empty chem buckets a lot of the buckets used for pool chems are a 7 gal bucket that are taller, which could be used for the lower bucket and would give you more space below the 5 gal top bucket.
Hey Emanon! That a fantastic idea and I'll look into that. That would give me for sure more space to fill. Awesome feedback my friend! Thanks for your support my friend!
What about flipping the air coil upside down in the bucket? The holes would still let the air out but it may be less prone to having material settle in through the holes when the air flow stops.
Hey CommonSense! Thanks for the comment. So I already do have the holes drilled into the very bottom of the coil, so basically the air is coming out and hitting the bucket bottom then floating to the top. I wasn’t sure if I was clear on that in the video. Are you wanting me to have to holes in this position or pointed up? I think from what I read, I’m doing what you suggested which is cool. Yea I didn’t want the material to migrate into the holes when the air stopped. The video that comes out tonight is a redesign and it works a lot better, still not perfect, but we’re getting somewhere. Thanks again for the comment and support!
I think, with only a 2 inch chamber between the buckets, there's not enough space for agitation. The space is going to fill with material quickly. Try a 7 gallon bucket for the base. A 5 gallon for the 1/8 inch, and a 3 gallon for the 1/4 inch.
Hey Eyeslo! I think you are the second person stating to use a 7 gallon bucket. I really like that idea. I also like your other bucket ideas with the different layers of classification. I think that could definitely work to my advantage. I really appreciate the comment and support my friend :)
try running the air such that it only slightly aggitates, you dont want too much pressure coming through the holes. seems like ya gotta give the heavys a chance to get past the chambers. ya want to liquify, not boil.
Thanks Eric! I did better on my second video and I’m still working on a third video but it’s looking promising and I completely get what you are saying and will do just that. Thanks again Eric! I appreciate you and your support!
You would be better off using water. Also in the inspiration video, th-cam.com/video/A7slq3f2lJU/w-d-xo.html, they used a K Type nitrogen tank that puts out 2,200 psi when full. There is another video where they tried twice with different air compressors, one more powerful than the other and they couldn't get it to work either.
Hey amadeoap! Thanks for commenting! I would love to use water but I can’t as per my states rules, so yes, if I could, I would most absolutely use water. And that’s good to know about them using nitrogen vs air. I also know that this is impractical for any prospector but I like experimenting and thought I’d give it a go. I made some improvements and on next Fridays video, I got it working a lot better, night and day difference, so there’s something here :) Thanks again and I massively appreciate the support!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser I don't think it is so much the nitrogen vs air but the pressure. I wanted to say in the last comment that you are making more of a concentrator than a classifier.Also this fluidized bed is what is being done when you stratify in your pan. What I don't understand is why someone hasn't brought to market a batea type pan with a screw cap on the bottom so instead of swirling the light material off the pan you just pull off the cap and there are your heavies. Then you can just dump out everything else in the pan.
@amadeoap you know I’ve often wondered that as well with the batea pan. That sounds like an incredible idea! I think you should give it a shot my friend :)
Please do a test with a salted bucket! Fill it with sand and gravel then put some gold on top and then run the air through. See what happens.
Brendan! Awesome! I can do this on a potential 3rd test run! Thank you for the suggestion and support! I’ve received a lot of ideas on this “project” You Rock!
Yes, the lights overflow from the top of the bucket is what you want. You may lose some float gold, but it is what it is. Try with water and make a video. I will subscribe now just to see it. More pressure the faster it will work up to a point. May have to make bigger holes in the pipe. ??? The holes on the bottom is the right way to do it. One place I worked we had bubblers in tanks and had them on the bottom to keep them from stopping up when cut off. Just a though. May have to put holes in the side of the bucket all around from the top down to a point to help it clean out. Remember gold drops fast so some holes up high will not make you lose gold. I like this so much I may make one. The wife and I do gold hunt.
Nice Basil! And I love your idea about making more holes… I couldn’t agree more! As for having water flow into it. I honestly can’t because of the rules here but I know it would work just as well if not better than the air. Also, I’m glad your going to make one. It’s easy and cheap and actually with a very low watered area, this actually might be the hot ticket to get a bunch of concentrates and bring them home to run. Just an idea though. Anyhow, thank you again for the sub and comment. I really appreciate it!
I think you are on to something. Look at a ball jig. Pulsing water may be an idea instead of air. Then you could use a foot pump or something? But no one comes up with something new without testing ideas. ✌️✌️✌️
Thanks culver! I hope you are doing well my friend! Pulsing water… hmm, that’s an idea I haven’t thought of yet.
Thanks dude! And I’m with you, it doesn’t hurt to try something new… I know this is just for fun, but I want it to work… even though it’s completely impractical. Cheers bud!
What if you ran the air intermittently? Because maybe the constant air pressure is preventing the hs from dropping down to the coil bucket? Stop, shake bucket, start again ?idk.
Pamela! I'm loving the ideas and this video alone has sparked some great conversations, so I deeply appreciate your comment and support! As I stated earlier to another commenter, I'm still working on this and I believe I can get it to work. I like your idea and it makes sense. I'll try it and see where it leaves us. Thank you again so much!!!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser you're welcome. I admire the ingenuity and willingness to experiment with things. Keep being you.
@pamelakasper7627 thank you :)
Make an expanded metal bucket classifier basket, ditch the upper bucket.
Hey Phillip! Thanks for the comment and support.
I'm totally tracking with what you are saying. I have exactly what you are saying, it's by arborfab and it's a 1/4 classifier you can stick in a bucket. That's a really good idea. Thanks my friend :)
Could a gravity feed hose feeding water used instead of air to create a fluid bed?
Hey Ian! I really think it could work! You would just need a lot of water pressure to help stratify the material.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ve been getting a lot of really great ideas on this and to be honest, this is an experiment to have fun with but it seems to be gaining some traction. So I appreciate the support and look forward to pursuing this :)
A tiered classifier system would be interesting 1/2 to an 1/4 then you're air flow on top the 1/8th
Now that’s interesting Denny… hmm… I like that. I
may incorporate that in the future. For next Fridays video, i made some little adjustments and it did work a lot better, and i plan on making a 3rd test video with things I learned from comments. I like yours for sure. Thanks again Denny :)
Don't forget the half and quarter should be removable so you can dump as the smaller goes through
Good call Denny, keeping the material flowing would be a good thing and should be able to really tear through some material. I like it Denny 👍
So essentially a cross between a dry-blower and a hydraulic riffle?
I suspect the idea may work with a redesign to continuous stream air through smaller (1/32) holes in the top bucket that uses the space between the buckets for a manifold rather than for collection.
Screen your material the way Chris at Vogus does (with a deep-frying basket) and use the system continuously by just throwing many shovels of dirt into it and washing off all the light stuff.
That way you can pre-process a dozen or so buckets worth of material and then carry the resulting bucket of heavies to your sluice.
But as you say, the extra hardware required makes it impractical for most locations, but an interesting experiment none the less.
Hey Mick! Thanks for taking the time to comment and give some suggestions!
And yea I’m not sure what to call this thing! Haha! This was more for fun and to experiment a little bit, but from the comments, people really like the idea and want me to pursue it more. I do have better luck in this Fridays new video, so it’s encouraging. But like how you and I stated, this is pretty impractical for a real-world use, but regardless it’s still fun trying something new.
Thanks again and I hope you have a fantastic weekend!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser Upon further cognitive work, I think the system would work even better if you used water instead of air, which would be a closer analog to the original fluidised sand inspiration and not only settle things down a little but be easier to do in the field. (You just need a water pump)
Then I realised the result would just be a scaled up version of the fluidised bed concentrator.
Instead of processing concentrates, you process the paydirt into concentrates that you then run through the sluice.
May be useful in places where you don't have running water to set up the sluice, you can "process" a dozen buckets or so worth of paydirt and carry the resulting bucket to the sluice.
I have been toying with such ideas, and every time I think I come up with something new, I find out it already exists in practical form :)
I agree Mick, I’m pretty sure everything has been done before. I did do some research on this particular gadget and came up empty handed but like you said, I’m sure it’s been tried with other similar devices out there.
And I do also agree that this could be used if you had an area with little to no water flow, which would be more practical. Just keep “concentrating” it until you have some really heavy concentrates.
I also had a longtime viewer tell me to get rid of the air hose, dump a shovel or two worth of material in there and then rapidly shake it up and down. This would make the water move up and down thus forcing the smaller heavy to sink because the material would stratify, so I may try that on a potential third video.
Either way, this has been fun and it’s been great having these discussions on what I honestly thought was a joke of a test. lol, thanks again Mick. I appreciate ya
looking at this idea there are 12v and up portable air pump ..like air mattress,and even a 20v Mellif duster.. i I I found this..Quick-Fill® AC Electric Air Pump - 38.9 CFM ....depending how much air ya need to push the fill around that might do the trick and im sure there is higher rating pumps..If your at base camp then its a different setup .for the back country this could work.Peace looks like others have the same idea lol...
For sure Mike! There are definitely options. I'll look into to some of those as well! Really appreciate it!
I may have suggested this before, and am not sure if it matches your values for the channel, but I’d be all for you having a link to your Amazon wishlist to assist with your concept builds or whatever helps others learn and or get value from your channel. I’d be willing to fund a sump pump in regards, which seems a route that may be useful in the future on testing ideas. Let me know how I can help promote these great ideas get tested and posted for all use, build off of, learn from. 5* channel
Thanks brother! I don’t have an amazon wishlist, but it’s all good. I definitely appreciate your support in the channel. This is really cool if you. I’m still gonna do a video with that light you sent me! I’m just waiting for the perfect night!
As for making these contraptions. I’m just doing this for fun and I know it’s impractical and not going to work in a real world prospecting scenario but it’s still cool to try. I like experimenting and having fun. That’s what makes this awesome! Keep staying fresh brother!
I gotta say it’s a great concept but I think you’re going about it backwards.
Let me explain…
With your air tube in the bottom bucket you can only get a fraction of the fines to fall from the classifier bucket because once you get enough material to fall through to the bottom it will eventually block the holes.
Other fluid bed classifiers I’ve seen have a separate area for the fines to settle into.
Heh Salmon King! Thanks for commenting and I agree with what you’re saying. I actually thought about putting another bucket below that and having the classified cons collect in there. It’s worth trying for sure. I’m currently working on a part 3 where I’m putting some viewer ideas to the test. I’m liking how it’s going so far. It’s fun to do regardless how impractical this is :) lol
I guess I'll have to watch the replay with chat turned off - I have no idea what just happened here
lol! No worries Moe, chats honestly the best part, but it was fun doing this. I think this can work and like I said in the video, I made improvements for next weeks video and it worked so much better, so we’ll see where this goes. I like to tinker like you do and why not try something different… what’s it gonna hurt right?
Also, thanks again for the kind words on your video, it meant a lot to me :)
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser When you get the chance , email me a postal address to send the flyshit to
in the time to run a bucket wow use the tray classify 2 bucket a min including panning tocons or 100 buckets++ per hr
Douglas! I'd love to be able to do 100 buckets an hour. That would be a dream. But I think I'd need a front loader at that point :)
I would do the experiment with a known amount of gold, and I would make the slurry vibrate about 20Hz.
I like both of your ideas! Can you explain the 20Hz level?
Just curious why that specific frequency was requested. Intrigued :) Thanks my friend!!!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser The reason I wrote 20 Hz is because gold resonates 14-about 20Hz, because it will resonate, it should clump in patterns that make it easy to see and easy to steer in a direction. Experimentation will find what frequency works best with the level of carat there is in the gold you mine, different amounts of different types of impurities in the gold will give different frequencies that will cause it to resonate.
@Anashadk that is so cool to know! Thank you for that. I love the science that applies and it helps me to understand. Really appreciate it! Thanks again for replying.
There’s no such thing as failure in an experiment, unless you die but even then it might not be a failure..lol but you definitely need more hole in you classifier bucket It would help the air percolate into your classifier bucket instead of trying to leak out between the two
But also, what I think is happening there’s too much turbulence with out room for the heavier elements to sink and it’s keeping your small pieces floating with the lighter materials also, remember, the video you’re trying to mimic was done with dry sand.
Adrien! Good morning and thank you for that! And I did just as you suggested for my second test and it works out great. And I agree with you on failing…. It’s all part of it.
Thank you again for the continued support. You’re amazing 😎
I would make bigger holes in the bucket like half inch to a 3 quarter try that
Thanks Roy! Another good idea. You’ll see in tonight video that I made a lot more holes, so basically, it’s a complete strainer on the bottom now. It definitely worked better, but still not perfect. Thanks again!
LOL Flotation tables have been used for well over a century
Hey Just Steve! Thanks for coming by and leaving a comment :)
Yes you are right, I’ve seen those as well and I was more saying that I haven’t seen a setup like this in particular with buckets for prospecting. lol.
I also see that this is really impractical because there are too many variables and stuff to move with you to do this. Classifying with a classifier and bucket really is and will be the best way, but I like experimenting and having fun, so this takes care of both for me :)
I hope you’re having a fantastic weekend my friend! 💪😎👍
You NEED A PRESSURE GAUGE MATE.
Thanks Gregory! What pressure do you think I need to supply?
It's only a failure if you don't try. Keep up the good work 💯
Exactly Jason and thank you! It’s fun tinkering and trying new things. I just want to make prospecting fun and try and get the juices flowing for people that watch. Thanks for the support and comment! I really appreciate having you here!
Gold floats to.no new water going through
Hey Joseph, I completely agree that gold will float as well and maybe you’re right, new water will be beneficial to the gold recovery 👍
Maybe a classifier basket in the top bucket would be cool also an air stone on the bottom bucket for smaller bubbles and and more even flow would be cool
Thanks Ben! The suggestion with having a classifier on top has been made before and I like it. Some have even said to have a tiered system with 1/2” then to 1/8”. Either way, I’ll give it a shot and see where this goes. It’s fun experimenting and that’s what makes this interesting!
Don't do the sides I've done that before the bucket stick together
Ahh yes! Hydro-Locking... a prospectors best friend, hahaha. You're absolutely right
Your air velocity is way too high! You have created an agitated bed, not a fluidized bed. Do that to shake the dirt off the rocks then slow it down to fluiize it and let the denser particles settle.
A fluid bed stops being fluidized when the gas velocity is high enough to carry particles out of the bed. This point is called the "transport velocity".
Thanks Robert! I had a feeling someone smarter than me was gonna come in here and actually tell me what was going on. Lol
This is good info to know though Robert. And this is mostly for fun but having said that… I do think I can take this somewhere and maybe make something that actually works.
This test was a dud, but my test for next week works so much better, so I figured out some issues and made some solutions. I’m hoping more people like you, give me some ideas for a possible test video 3. Or… maybe I’ll just take this bucket system and kick it across the creek, haha.
Thanks Robert for the comment and support! I hope you’re having a great weekend!
Om 80now been panning since 7 claimed 66,000+acres of mining claims developed this to test claims watched you shovel how many 3shov😊el buckets watch video bet you can beat my time
That's awesome Douglas! You're a legend! Wow, that's a lot of mining acres and I bet you have some fantastic stores to tell. I think you my friend... have lived the dream that many of us only dream about!
@@StoneyCreekSparkchaser i also teach panning give me and hr get you to 10sec pans in first hr learn to constantly move material what do you think you can shovel in your own mimd ,15 x 10min 150/ 3shovel buckets average is 50 buckets
@douglasbrown4775 I see the science where your coming from and I believe you for sure. It's all about efficiency and how much you can move. The more the better. I think I'm a pretty fast prospector but I tend to go too hard and then wear myself out. That's why I like taking my time. Plus my property has a gold creek on it, so it's not going anywhere :)
forget. all fine gold will be lost
And that may be the case my friend :)
any way its good for aluvium gold
@virgisst761 that would definitely be what I'd be after :) thanks for the comment and support!