Hi Mate, over here in England i've had a lot of promlems with my 08 focus ST, breaks sticking, needing touch ups, paint jobs bla bla, and just from going through your channel i've found a video for everything i've needed and been able to do all the jobs on my own and my car looks factory new again! So happy with this channel and i've recommended you to all my buddies in work who like to work on their car also :) Thanks a million!
Back when I was a kid, in the 70s, I remember my Dad doing the brakes on my Mom's station wagon. He'd just pulled the rear drum off and he turns to me and said, "better get well back, son, you don't want to breath this stuff." He then blasted the thing with compressed air, creating a violent cloud around him. I guess the Tareyton cigarette's filter protected him, lol!
@@deanbenton70 he sounds depressed in a lot of his old videos, similar to how engineering explained used to sound. Probably has something to do with warming up to the camera I assume
Thanks for sharing this idea with us Chris! I just finished doing it to the rear drums on my Camaro and they look so much better being black again! One recommendation to anyone who is considering doing this: Pick up a thin wire brush attachment for a drill. It makes getting in between the fins on the outside of the drum much easier.
+ravengsxr I cannot reply to your comment for some reason so I hope you see this. You can use a wire wheel if you want but it wont be as smooth (unless you have a really heavy duty wire wheel). You also have to be careful with the drum/shoe surface so I figured I would have more control with a grinding disk.
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if you use a soft wire wheel on the grinder. like a loose flat disk. it will take it to bare metal, zero rust. on that turned surface, it'd do little to nothing. slipping with a grinding disk would cause a hell of allot more damage. also you sound like you have a cold, go rest and maybe make some honey tea.
@ChrisFix hey great video! You can also use vinegar and submerge the drum, let it sit for overnight or for 24hours and most/all of the rust should lift off.
after inspecting my rear drum brakes on my truck everything looked fine but i decided to paint the drums because they look like hell with all the rust and scale on them. new drums cost about $65 a peice so i decided to renew the ones i had on there. i didnt bother having them resurfaced because they were okay there. i just wired brushed the outside to get the big stuff and sand blasted the rest of the drum. Than sprayed them down with degreaser and finally spray them down with alcohol. I used Hi Temp paint and used a hair dryer to speed up the drying process. by the way i didnt paint any of the mating parts of the drum. worked great! It was a lot of effort though but didnt cost me anything.
I did the same thing for the drums on my 1973 bronco. I soaked the drums in Metal Rescue for a few days and all the rust came off without all the work with sandpaper and such. Cheers!
Oh thanks Chris, it really does help no matter which appliance you use it on. Rock on guy enjoy your videos. Grit blast is best, I've used it in aviation for thirty years, yes it is cost prohibitive for the DIY folks unless you have one at your disposal.
I have a 1980 horse trailer I am looking to restore and was debating on whether I should paint my drum and hubs or not. I wanted to at least protect the metal surface from more rust and corrosion in the future because I live in FL and it's wet here a lot. I'm glad I saw this. I'll be repainting them for sure tomorrow!!
Last time I did this I did the outside of the drum on the car with the 4in wire wheel and it tool off the rust and helped break them free, hit the inside, cleaned them with brake clean and paint then had them turned, cause I don't know where the one guy is buying new ones for 20 mine was going to be 50 a pop vs the 12 each for turning. As always great video,thanks for putting more car knowledge in the world.
Make sure to prime before you paint, I prepped and painted my brand new drums and they rusted through in a month :( I did my calipers at the same time except I primed them and they are still looking great
Mitch Pol Rustoleum makes a paint specifically for brakes (rated to 900°F), but I can’t seem to find a primer rated to the same temp... however, they do make an even higher temp primer (rated to 2000°F), so if you’re going to prime it, I’d use that. Check Amazon 👌
Hi Chris, Just love all your videos, you cover everything when showing how to do a job, I have learnt so much here and as a car fanatic i love all that you show. Ken from Australia
A die grinder, electric or air, can be had for little outlay. Add a mandrel and abrasive cartridge rolls, and those fins on the drum would be sparking in about a minute or two. I do appreciate your effort to point out how much can be done with very little, but showing how a (relatively) cheap upgrade can save time (money) is also wise. Also, this drum could've been cleaned in a jiffy in a blast booth. It's tasks like these that justify an investment in useful tools.
I have a drum brake painted without being careful to select a proper heat resistant paint. That was a mistake. So I grind the paint off and redo it with the correct paint. I'm glad I did because now I don't have to worry about it.
Maybe he just wants to keep his private life PRIVATE! Or perhaps he is socially shy...or simply not Vain! I'd rather he take the time to produce the good quality step by step videos he produces...rather than wasting it on "here...look at me" Selfie Vids. I'd love this guys work, even if he were the fugliest dude in the world! The Quality is in what he does, and not...what he looks like!
My 2 cents. Instead of high temp paint. Which usually does very little about keeping the rust away! Use Hammerite, not only it works incredibly well on slightly rusted surfaces. But stand the test of time, particularly on rear drums (less heat). I've had a car with rear drum brakes painted with Hammerite for little more than 10 years!! Yep! They still look fairly decent! More dirt than rust, which is quite a surprise! Surface cleaned of heavier rust and dirt. Washed with acetone and (brush) painted with 3 layers... BTW took ages to dry, almost a week! But it's holding surprisingly well. ;-)
Chris, your video channel is Boombastic, man it's fantastic. This is better than going into a classroom. By the way, I used Walmart 99 cents black spray paint to do my E 250 cargo van front and back and the white to spray rust spots. Look brand new.
Chris use Loctite "Naval Jelly" after you use a degreaser. The "Naval Jelly" will eat the rust off completely. I soak them in it overnight then wash them with soapy water the next day and dry them with a heat gun/hair dryer. No wire brush, no rust dust and the paint will adhere better. Oh yeah by the way you Rawk!
I do this with new sets too it slows the coating from rusting and looks better IMO I have a 1999 Jeep Sahara and I have bronze wheels so it looks better to have black brake components.
Granted this is a 9 year old video but I've seen some more recent ones where they dip brake rotors in a small tub of vinegar for overnight and the transformation is miraculous. Some say that after the vinegar dip to also dip it in a baking soda solution to neutralize any residual vinegar acid. Apparently, an acid coating left on the steel promotes flash rusting. Seems like a little larger tub could hold a brake drum and then paint it. Sounds like it would be a lot faster and easier than wire brushing and sanding the drum. Oh, there are three strengths of vinegar. The regular salad vinegar is 5% acidic and a cleaning vinegar is 6% acidic. I see over at Lowes there is a 30% vinegar but that might be overkill. Although, all you have to do is add some distilled water to reduce the potency. Half and half would reduce it down to 15% acidic if you have REALLY bad drums.
These videos are the best! Especially useful to show that tools that most people have around the house can be used for most of these jobs. Great job, post more. How about how to convert drum brakes to disk? MY MG Midget has rear drum brakes, want to upgrade
chhhaaching Thanks! I do my best to use common hand tools when possible because that is what most people have! I dont have any videos on converting drum brakes to disc brakes, but I would love to make a video like that!
I used a wire wheel on the drill and removed most of the crud that way on the outside of the drum, then I wiped everything down with OSPHO and let it chill for 24 hours, and then washed it all off with degreaser, let it dry - but I only painted the outside.
i am not a professional but i could try to take of the rust by electrolysis... it is smth really enjoyable, easy to setup and no mistreat to surface by accident
I always heated the item I was painting before applying high temp paint. IDK if thats part of the directions. Only used it once with my father when we built a grill out of scrap. THis was a couple years ago and the coat is still holding strong- even after all the bbq's. Also, love the videos.
ChrisFix no it wont, it only affects rust not metal. I guess it would be better to have the drums machined after rust removal. When it comes down to it new drums are not very expensive either.
+yard farmer - +1 on that. Electrolysis is by far the best method. I use it for quite awhile. Beats any wire wheel, sand blaster, or even acid for this application. ChrisFix have a look into it. You'll curse the wire wheel every time you look at it. LOL ;-)
My only negative comment is you should have put drum in large parts cleaning tray and or used old news print to do this job to prevent soil contamination.
If they are not expensive, new drums would be good to buy. I got new drums and used silver caliper paint to give it a protective cover. And I needed new wheel bearings so I just fitted then into the new drums.
If you dont paint your drums they will have the rust look. I had older drums that i wire brushed then painted them engine semi.gloss black. I latter swapped them to new drums from raybestos and I didnt paint them thinking they have a nice silvery look, the next day they were already starting to show rust just from being installed, so I painted them too semi gloss black. True story no lie.
Those are great instrutions! Since new drums cost less than $30 each, I may just buy new ones and paint them. That's a lot of time/labor to clean that rust off. I noticed you didn't use primer, before the paint. Is that because of the high temp of the drum?
2 months late, but if anyone else was wondering, most high temp paints don't require primer. Obviously read the instructions for the paint you choose though/
I did all the job on rear and front brakes for our 2001 Saturn SL2, I didn't know you need to paint the rotors and drum brakes, now everything is rusted of course. Not big deal since I'm practicing on that spare car we have, but I would like to know if there is any difference between Zinc coated and Black high temperature coating for corrosion protection (I found on Amazon such)? What will last longer: Zinc coated, Black high temperature coating, or just painting w/Caliper Paint for corrosion protection? Thanks a lot for showing all the detail on painting Drums, great film as usually.
Plus, the tape can leave residual glue that would fill the new brake shoe material and cause issues. Unless you clean the drum faces again with brake cleaner.
If you are using automotive masking tape it won't (as long you don't keep the jet concentrated for a long period of time). They are tougher then they look.
As paint will be a insulator and cause heat retention thus limiting the effectiveness of the brakes, you might consider another option. It's better to use chemicals to complete the oxidation process completely and turn the steel all black. If it's completely oxidized it won't rust. It's basically the same process, but it only takes one coat and you don't even have tape off the contact surface of the drums, so you will actually save some time. Unlike paint this process is truly permanent. Black is the color that radiates the most heat and for brakes that's what you want. Use a light coat of high temperature grease on the hub where it contacts the drum so it won't bind, no matter what. Keep turning those wrenches and shooting that footage!
+ScorpionRegent The back drums do 20% of the braking if that... It's more for using your parking brake so it doesn't matter if you limit the effectiveness of the brakes considered it won't limit much...
+Spartan111792 20% is about right. Back brakes aren't as critical as the fronts, but the oxidation completion process done once never needs to be done again, ever. I'm just presenting a option. In the end it's your car and your choice. Peace.
Yeah, thats right. Effectively giving the metal a coat of iron oxide. Like steel hand rail on a busy stairway that has got that polished black finish as smooth as glass, that is iron oxide. There are rust stoppers in the paint department of the hardware store that will do this.
My dad used some normal spray paint on his calipers instead of high heat. It worked and looked fine but as soon as you start using the brakes heavily it will wear off quickly.
You need to find a buddy with a media blaster, just tape off the machined portion before you blast. If you don't know someone with a media blaster, pick up some Phosphoric acid at the paint store, it reacts with the rust to neutralize it then you won't have to worry about old rust bust out from under your new paint job.
You could just let the drum sit in a bath of lemon acid for some hours or so and then just clean all the rust of with a brush. Probably alot easier = )
Haha, yea, but I didnt feel like going out, getting a bunch of lemon acid, filling a container, etc. Just easier to sand it and be done with it! Thanks for the idea tho!
Is brake cleaner ok to drain back into the ground? Ive always used a drip pan. I thought all that stuff was bad. Not that i care, im just wondering so i can let it drip myself.
jsngallery Brake cleaner is highly volatile so it just evaporates. If I ever use a lot of brake cleaner, I have it drip in a bucket and just leave the bucket out to evaporate.
I would recommend using Zip disks and wire wheels instead of a grinding stone. You’ll get a better finish and more rust out of the notches on the outside
Chris, if you dip the drum for 30 seconds in Muriatic acid which you can get at the local hardware store, all the rust will be gone right to bare metal. Just gotta be careful use gloves and mind the acid, once you rinse it with water it deletes to safe levels. Just can't beat the speed of it.
Would a citric acid bath ruin the drum shoe surface? I always use citric acid for rust treatment, I'm not experienced enough to know the volatile areas of an automotive. It would be nice to continue what I already as used to.
This video is showing how to preserve drums. I live in Ohio and I just put drums on in November because the old ones were rusted to hell and back. So i bought new ones.. Wish i didn't.. Already my drums are rusted as the old ones were. Rock salt sucks.. So Definitely doing this shit next time. Thanks for the video!
Mark Freeman Awesome! That is why I paint mine. They look like garbage and also when you go to replace your drums in the future, less rust means they will come off the car easier (hopefully).
I got a 1980 Camaro and my drums were rusted on bad. Took me a while to get them off. Could I use rustoleum paint? For rust preventive? Plan on using primer as wel
I hardly leave feedback on how to videos but are you doing the majority of the work at your curb? Where water flows into storm drains which flows into lakes? I hope I'm wrong. Other than that, good video.
Hey Chris! Love the vids! Quick question, I painted my drums but accidentally used regular Rustoleum spray paint. Do you think that would be alright or am i risking a flaming ride down the road? Also would i be able to fix this by just repainting over the regular rustoleum with a high heat paint? Thank you so much
Can ofLions Regular paint will most likely melt if you ever encounter a situation where you are using your brakes a lot. Since the rear brakes are not used as much you might be able to get away with it though. Your paint will probably not catch fire. Go for a ride and see if the brakes smell afterward. If you did want to use high heat spray paint, you would have to remove all of the old regular spray paint.
Just one question, I clean my brake drums maybe once a few months/half year because brake dust is trapped in there, thus the squealing/clunking noise when it comes to a full stop. If you paint the inside of it, wouldn't it be harder to clean it? Brake clean might clean away the paint and drip to the surface where it contact brake shoes.
Drums usually last a long time. Just take off the drum wire brush them and put two coats of engine spray paint. I like duplicolor ceramic engine spray paint. They will look amazing and wont rust. Semigloss black if you want a nice clean stealthy look. Bright colors if thats your thing. New drums can cost like 30-40 bucks each. You dont need to paint them on the inside just outside, trust me.
Unless someone can tell me why I'm wrong, I disagree with the order this was done. IMO the drums should have been cleaned and de-scaled first (I'd have used a wire wheel or had them sandblasted with all those corrugations), THEN I would have painted them (though I see no real reason to paint the interior). The LAST thing I would then have had done was the machining. This reduces all the effort needed to protect the machined surfaces during all the previous procedures.
Hi +ChrisFix . i mentioned to my grandfather that I want to paint my drum brakes with high heat paint, he told me it might not be a good idea as the paint coating will trap more heat inside the brakes. what's your opinion on this? thanks
Chris, You may want to let folks know that it's important to place the brake drum into a container like a plastic oil change pan before cleaning with brake cleaner instead of polluting the environment, just a thought.
Small tip this would be good to do BEFORE you get them turned because. If you happen to accidentally. Hit the surface area of the brake shoe ,when you get it turned they can fix the scuff
Turning them at O’reillys cost $15 a piece , $3.50 for brake clean, $8 for paint and a brush is around $3 that’s $29.50 at that point your getting close (depending on what car you have) to the value of a new one. Save yourself 1 hour of work. Not to discourage any ricers from doing this but something I wanted to point out.
You have to sand the inside of the drum, because you clean it and remove any brake dust. And you have to sand a little bit the brake shoes. (With 600 Grid) (I learned this in at my placement (in Germany))
Bad idea. Some brake pads contain asbestos which should never be sanded because it releases microscopic fibers into the air. Asbestos isn't something you want to be breathing in.
Hey Chris first off thanks for this tutorial on the brake drum. I would like to know what would happen if you didn't use high heat spray paint on the outside of the drum?
how much did it cost to have them turned? how come you didn't just tape the drums before using the grinder? do you have a preferred disk for the grinder when doing this?
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Hi Mate, over here in England i've had a lot of promlems with my 08 focus ST, breaks sticking, needing touch ups, paint jobs bla bla, and just from going through your channel i've found a video for everything i've needed and been able to do all the jobs on my own and my car looks factory new again! So happy with this channel and i've recommended you to all my buddies in work who like to work on their car also :) Thanks a million!
+Jake O'Shea Thanks a lot! I am glad that you and your friends have found my videos helpful and that you have been able to fix your car!
Back when I was a kid, in the 70s, I remember my Dad doing the brakes on my Mom's station wagon. He'd just pulled the rear drum off and he turns to me and said, "better get well back, son, you don't want to breath this stuff." He then blasted the thing with compressed air, creating a violent cloud around him. I guess the Tareyton cigarette's filter protected him, lol!
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Thanks for sharing this idea with us Chris! I just finished doing it to the rear drums on my Camaro and they look so much better being black again!
One recommendation to anyone who is considering doing this: Pick up a thin wire brush attachment for a drill. It makes getting in between the fins on the outside of the drum much easier.
xXHUNTERXxXx Thanks and thanks for the tip! A metal wire wheel works wonders!
+ravengsxr I cannot reply to your comment for some reason so I hope you see this. You can use a wire wheel if you want but it wont be as smooth (unless you have a really heavy duty wire wheel). You also have to be careful with the drum/shoe surface so I figured I would have more control with a grinding disk.
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if you use a soft wire wheel on the grinder. like a loose flat disk. it will take it to bare metal, zero rust. on that turned surface, it'd do little to nothing. slipping with a grinding disk would cause a hell of allot more damage. also you sound like you have a cold, go rest and maybe make some honey tea.
@ChrisFix hey great video! You can also use vinegar and submerge the drum, let it sit for overnight or for 24hours and most/all of the rust should lift off.
after inspecting my rear drum brakes on my truck everything looked fine but i decided to paint the drums because they look like hell with all the rust and scale on them. new drums cost about $65 a peice so i decided to renew the ones i had on there. i didnt bother having them resurfaced because they were okay there. i just wired brushed the outside to get the big stuff and sand blasted the rest of the drum. Than sprayed them down with degreaser and finally spray them down with alcohol. I used Hi Temp paint and used a hair dryer to speed up the drying process. by the way i didnt paint any of the mating parts of the drum. worked great! It was a lot of effort though but didnt cost me anything.
I did the same thing for the drums on my 1973 bronco. I soaked the drums in Metal Rescue for a few days and all the rust came off without all the work with sandpaper and such. Cheers!
Good to see a mechanic that actually does a maintenance/repair not just buys a new part to slap on.
balancebox Thanks man! I try not to spend too much money if possible. Just have to balance the right time to fix a part or buy a new part!
Exactly I'd rather fix what I have unless it's far gone
Out with the old, and in with the new!!
I've found drill and wire wheel very handy in addition for those fins around perimeter. Good video, thanks Chris.
Sam Johnson Thanks a lot! That is a good idea. I need to pick up a wire wheel for the angle grinder.
Oh thanks Chris, it really does help no matter which appliance you use it on. Rock on guy enjoy your videos. Grit blast is best, I've used it in aviation for thirty years, yes it is cost prohibitive for the DIY folks unless you have one at your disposal.
I have a 1980 horse trailer I am looking to restore and was debating on whether I should paint my drum and hubs or not. I wanted to at least protect the metal surface from more rust and corrosion in the future because I live in FL and it's wet here a lot.
I'm glad I saw this. I'll be repainting them for sure tomorrow!!
Last time I did this I did the outside of the drum on the car with the 4in wire wheel and it tool off the rust and helped break them free, hit the inside, cleaned them with brake clean and paint then had them turned, cause I don't know where the one guy is buying new ones for 20 mine was going to be 50 a pop vs the 12 each for turning.
As always great video,thanks for putting more car knowledge in the world.
Jimmie Smith check our rock auto. My drums on my truck were $30 each on there but O’Reillys wanted 90 each for them
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Make sure to prime before you paint, I prepped and painted my brand new drums and they rusted through in a month :( I did my calipers at the same time except I primed them and they are still looking great
sorry I dont know much bout car paint. what type of prime? brand? thank you!
Mitch Pol Rustoleum makes a paint specifically for brakes (rated to 900°F), but I can’t seem to find a primer rated to the same temp... however, they do make an even higher temp primer (rated to 2000°F), so if you’re going to prime it, I’d use that. Check Amazon 👌
Also for those of y'all planning on actually doing this project, don't use a grinding wheel or a cutting. Use a wire wheel, WAYYYY LESS aggressive.
Nice vid! I wanna paint my drums but ig i gotta buy new ones first, the ones i got are on for 160k km and got a solid 1cm of bad rust on them
Hi Chris, Just love all your videos, you cover everything when showing how to do a job, I have learnt so much here and as a car fanatic i love all that you show. Ken from Australia
A die grinder, electric or air, can be had for little outlay. Add a mandrel and abrasive cartridge rolls, and those fins on the drum would be sparking in about a minute or two. I do appreciate your effort to point out how much can be done with very little, but showing how a (relatively) cheap upgrade can save time (money) is also wise. Also, this drum could've been cleaned in a jiffy in a blast booth. It's tasks like these that justify an investment in useful tools.
I just finished painting my truck's drums. Thanks for the help Chris!
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I have a drum brake painted without being careful to select a proper heat resistant paint. That was a mistake. So I grind the paint off and redo it with the correct paint. I'm glad I did because now I don't have to worry about it.
Chris sounds super chill in his old videos
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OnlineAppleMac he shows it on his tinting video
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Maybe he just wants to keep his private life PRIVATE! Or perhaps he is socially shy...or simply not Vain! I'd rather he take the time to produce the good quality step by step videos he produces...rather than wasting it on "here...look at me" Selfie Vids. I'd love this guys work, even if he were the fugliest dude in the world! The Quality is in what he does, and not...what he looks like!
Hey Chris, just curious to see how this has held up over the years?
My 2 cents. Instead of high temp paint. Which usually does very little about keeping the rust away! Use Hammerite, not only it works incredibly well on slightly rusted surfaces. But stand the test of time, particularly on rear drums (less heat).
I've had a car with rear drum brakes painted with Hammerite for little more than 10 years!! Yep! They still look fairly decent! More dirt than rust, which is quite a surprise! Surface cleaned of heavier rust and dirt. Washed with acetone and (brush) painted with 3 layers... BTW took ages to dry, almost a week! But it's holding surprisingly well. ;-)
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Chris, your video channel is Boombastic, man it's fantastic. This is better than going into a classroom. By the way, I used Walmart 99 cents black spray paint to do my E 250 cargo van front and back and the white to spray rust spots. Look brand new.
Chris use Loctite "Naval Jelly" after you use a degreaser. The "Naval Jelly" will eat the rust off completely. I soak them in it overnight then wash them with soapy water the next day and dry them with a heat gun/hair dryer. No wire brush, no rust dust and the paint will adhere better.
Oh yeah by the way you Rawk!
+Brewer Brewer Thanks for the tip! I have to try that!
I do this with new sets too it slows the coating from rusting and looks better IMO I have a 1999 Jeep Sahara and I have bronze wheels so it looks better to have black brake components.
Granted this is a 9 year old video but I've seen some more recent ones where they dip brake rotors in a small tub of vinegar for overnight and the transformation is miraculous. Some say that after the vinegar dip to also dip it in a baking soda solution to neutralize any residual vinegar acid. Apparently, an acid coating left on the steel promotes flash rusting. Seems like a little larger tub could hold a brake drum and then paint it. Sounds like it would be a lot faster and easier than wire brushing and sanding the drum. Oh, there are three strengths of vinegar. The regular salad vinegar is 5% acidic and a cleaning vinegar is 6% acidic. I see over at Lowes there is a 30% vinegar but that might be overkill. Although, all you have to do is add some distilled water to reduce the potency. Half and half would reduce it down to 15% acidic if you have REALLY bad drums.
I've used vinegar baths before to clean rust from old tools. Very effective and easy.
These videos are the best! Especially useful to show that tools that most people have around the house can be used for most of these jobs. Great job, post more. How about how to convert drum brakes to disk? MY MG Midget has rear drum brakes, want to upgrade
chhhaaching Thanks! I do my best to use common hand tools when possible because that is what most people have! I dont have any videos on converting drum brakes to disc brakes, but I would love to make a video like that!
I used a wire wheel on the drill and removed most of the crud that way on the outside of the drum, then I wiped everything down with OSPHO and let it chill for 24 hours, and then washed it all off with degreaser, let it dry - but I only painted the outside.
i am not a professional but i could try to take of the rust by electrolysis... it is smth really enjoyable, easy to setup and no mistreat to surface by accident
That drum looks great. You are pretty good with the rattle can! :)
Thanks! Comes from all those pinewood derbies in boy scouts lol
I watched the brake change video and thought you replaced the drums. Good job, I thought they were new.
Haha thanks! I guess they came out pretty good then!!!
I always heated the item I was painting before applying high temp paint. IDK if thats part of the directions. Only used it once with my father when we built a grill out of scrap. THis was a couple years ago and the coat is still holding strong- even after all the bbq's.
Also, love the videos.
***** Nice! Yea, the instructions dont say to heat the object but hey if it worked for you, good! Thanks a lot man!
TRY RUST REMOVAL BY ELECTROLYSIS. THERE ARE MANY YOU-TUBE VIDEOS ON THIS SUBJECT. WORKS VERY WELL!!!
+yard farmer Thanks for the tip! That will damage the surface the brake shoe comes in contact with.
ChrisFix no it wont, it only affects rust not metal. I guess it would be better to have the drums machined after rust removal. When it comes down to it new drums are not very expensive either.
+yard farmer - +1 on that. Electrolysis is by far the best method.
I use it for quite awhile. Beats any wire wheel, sand blaster, or even acid for this application. ChrisFix have a look into it. You'll curse the wire wheel every time you look at it. LOL ;-)
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When doing this if you go the Grinder route I’d use a flap disk or a wire wheel much less chance of getting harsh grind marks
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You could also use a wire wheel on the grinder doesn’t harm the work piece it removes the rust/oxidation.
My only negative comment is you should have put drum in large parts cleaning tray and or used old news print to do this job to prevent soil contamination.
hey Chris fixed why you clean the dirt then painting the dirt color paint? you are the very nice man respect
Its so funny to watch your old vids. You have improved so much! Way to go amigo!
If they are not expensive, new drums would be good to buy. I got new drums and used silver caliper paint to give it a protective cover. And I needed new wheel bearings so I just fitted then into the new drums.
If you dont paint your drums they will have the rust look. I had older drums that i wire brushed then painted them engine semi.gloss black. I latter swapped them to new drums from raybestos and I didnt paint them thinking they have a nice silvery look, the next day they were already starting to show rust just from being installed, so I painted them too semi gloss black. True story no lie.
My new ones are already rusted after a week. Why I'm here. Gonna pain😢 tomorrow
Most excellent video again. Great in being meticulous with the drums in proper sanding and painting.
Wondering if there's any reason not to get the drums cleaned up and painted first and then have them turned. Thanks for the video!
casegarver Not all drums can be turned so I didnt want to put all of that effort into it and then have them tell me the drum cannot be turned.
Those are great instrutions! Since new drums cost less than $30 each, I may just buy new ones and paint them. That's a lot of time/labor to clean that rust off. I noticed you didn't use primer, before the paint. Is that because of the high temp of the drum?
Wavetechlifeguardian new drums for my truck were $85 each.
2 months late, but if anyone else was wondering, most high temp paints don't require primer. Obviously read the instructions for the paint you choose though/
I always stumble upon your videos, which is cool. I'm gonna get new drums and brake hardware for my ranger and paint the drums neon green.
+daily_wheeler Awesome man!
I have cleaned, 'de-rusted', and painted drums and then had them turned. Seems like a quicker method. The turning will remove any paint built up.
+Carl Libby Thanks for sharing!
naval jelly adds the metal back to the surface not just a repair its a miracle!!!
I did all the job on rear and front brakes for our 2001 Saturn SL2, I didn't know you need to paint the rotors and drum brakes, now everything is rusted of course. Not big deal since I'm practicing on that spare car we have, but I would like to know if there is any difference between Zinc coated and Black high temperature coating for corrosion protection (I found on Amazon such)? What will last longer: Zinc coated, Black high temperature coating, or just painting w/Caliper Paint for corrosion protection? Thanks a lot for showing all the detail on painting Drums, great film as usually.
Hey cris, you may use cup brush, twisted wire to get rust off easily.
Plus, the tape can leave residual glue that would fill the new brake shoe material and cause issues. Unless you clean the drum faces again with brake cleaner.
Sand blasting... will get that rust off very fast...
Find a local shop, they usually do not charge a lot at all to sand blast some parts.
That's a great idea!
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Well... duh... you do need to mask what you do not want to sandblast. Also, sandblasting is not as destructive as you might think.
mrN3w7 won't stand blasting strip the masking off as well? I mean if it takes Rust and Paint off.
If you are using automotive masking tape it won't (as long you don't keep the jet concentrated for a long period of time). They are tougher then they look.
+mrN3w7 - Electrolysis, no need to mask, no sweat, better end results. ;-)
Should've used a wire wheel instead of the grinding disc!!!
As paint will be a insulator and cause heat retention thus limiting the effectiveness of the brakes, you might consider another option. It's better to use chemicals to complete the oxidation process completely and turn the steel all black. If it's completely oxidized it won't rust. It's basically the same process, but it only takes one coat and you don't even have tape off the contact surface of the drums, so you will actually save some time. Unlike paint this process is truly permanent.
Black is the color that radiates the most heat and for brakes that's what you want. Use a light coat of high temperature grease on the hub where it contacts the drum so it won't bind, no matter what.
Keep turning those wrenches and shooting that footage!
+ScorpionRegent The back drums do 20% of the braking if that... It's more for using your parking brake so it doesn't matter if you limit the effectiveness of the brakes considered it won't limit much...
+Spartan111792 20% is about right. Back brakes aren't as critical as the fronts, but the oxidation completion process done once never needs to be done again, ever.
I'm just presenting a option. In the end it's your car and your choice. Peace.
+ScorpionRegent What you mean with complete the oxidation with chemicals? As in turn metal to some other material?
Yeah, thats right. Effectively giving the metal a coat of iron oxide. Like steel hand rail on a busy stairway that has got that polished black finish as smooth as glass, that is iron oxide. There are rust stoppers in the paint department of the hardware store that will do this.
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ChrisFix I didn't use high temperature paint ,it is bad?
My dad used some normal spray paint on his calipers instead of high heat. It worked and looked fine but as soon as you start using the brakes heavily it will wear off quickly.
Albion Kola probably is a good idea to use high temp if you go to the trouble of doing it anyway, that way it should definitely last
You need to find a buddy with a media blaster, just tape off the machined portion before you blast. If you don't know someone with a media blaster, pick up some Phosphoric acid at the paint store, it reacts with the rust to neutralize it then you won't have to worry about old rust bust out from under your new paint job.
Hi Chris, can you explain why you didn't spray primer before the VHT paint? Is it because of the heat issue? Thank you for the great video!
You could just let the drum sit in a bath of lemon acid for some hours or so and then just clean all the rust of with a brush. Probably alot easier = )
Haha, yea, but I didnt feel like going out, getting a bunch of lemon acid, filling a container, etc. Just easier to sand it and be done with it! Thanks for the idea tho!
ChrisFix vinegar?
Is brake cleaner ok to drain back into the ground? Ive always used a drip pan. I thought all that stuff was bad. Not that i care, im just wondering so i can let it drip myself.
jsngallery Brake cleaner is highly volatile so it just evaporates. If I ever use a lot of brake cleaner, I have it drip in a bucket and just leave the bucket out to evaporate.
I would recommend using Zip disks and wire wheels instead of a grinding stone. You’ll get a better finish and more rust out of the notches on the outside
Chris, if you dip the drum for 30 seconds in Muriatic acid which you can get at the local hardware store, all the rust will be gone right to bare metal. Just gotta be careful use gloves and mind the acid, once you rinse it with water it deletes to safe levels. Just can't beat the speed of it.
Buy a cordless drill with wire wheels, use ppe.
You coulda painted it before getting the drum cut to save a step...
Thats what im going to do paint before getting turned im not painting the inside
You should try a flap disc sander for your grinder, they work really well.
The finish product looks great ... What color spray paint is that ?
Kisuke Urahara Thanks! This is the flat black spray (link in description).
Would a citric acid bath ruin the drum shoe surface? I always use citric acid for rust treatment, I'm not experienced enough to know the volatile areas of an automotive. It would be nice to continue what I already as used to.
Alexander Konrad nope
This video is showing how to preserve drums. I live in Ohio and I just put drums on in November because the old ones were rusted to hell and back. So i bought new ones.. Wish i didn't.. Already my drums are rusted as the old ones were. Rock salt sucks.. So Definitely doing this shit next time. Thanks for the video!
Mark Freeman Awesome! That is why I paint mine. They look like garbage and also when you go to replace your drums in the future, less rust means they will come off the car easier (hopefully).
Just don't use the grinder disc use a wire brush attachment
While spray painting make sure no leaves, grass or dirt from the curb are blown onto your freshly painted surface.
I got a 1980 Camaro and my drums were rusted on bad. Took me a while to get them off. Could I use rustoleum paint? For rust preventive? Plan on using primer as wel
I hardly leave feedback on how to videos but are you doing the majority of the work at your curb? Where water flows into storm drains which flows into lakes? I hope I'm wrong. Other than that, good video.
That's really good for the gutters
Hey Chris! Love the vids! Quick question, I painted my drums but accidentally used regular Rustoleum spray paint. Do you think that would be alright or am i risking a flaming ride down the road? Also would i be able to fix this by just repainting over the regular rustoleum with a high heat paint? Thank you so much
Can ofLions Regular paint will most likely melt if you ever encounter a situation where you are using your brakes a lot. Since the rear brakes are not used as much you might be able to get away with it though. Your paint will probably not catch fire. Go for a ride and see if the brakes smell afterward. If you did want to use high heat spray paint, you would have to remove all of the old regular spray paint.
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You have come a long way my friend. Keep up the great work.
Just one question, I clean my brake drums maybe once a few months/half year because brake dust is trapped in there, thus the squealing/clunking noise when it comes to a full stop. If you paint the inside of it, wouldn't it be harder to clean it? Brake clean might clean away the paint and drip to the surface where it contact brake shoes.
Only paint the outside
Hi, what was the price difference between reconditioning the drum and buying a new one?
Drums usually last a long time. Just take off the drum wire brush them and put two coats of engine spray paint. I like duplicolor ceramic engine spray paint. They will look amazing and wont rust. Semigloss black if you want a nice clean stealthy look. Bright colors if thats your thing. New drums can cost like 30-40 bucks each. You dont need to paint them on the inside just outside, trust me.
Can i do this to new brake drums?
If you have a drill that has any attachments you can use that with a wirewheel.
Wouldn't soaking it in a Tub of White Vinegar or Varsol do a better job of removing the Rust and Oil?
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Thanks! I am glad you are learning a lot!
Unless someone can tell me why I'm wrong, I disagree with the order this was done. IMO the drums should have been cleaned and de-scaled first (I'd have used a wire wheel or had them sandblasted with all those corrugations), THEN I would have painted them (though I see no real reason to paint the interior). The LAST thing I would then have had done was the machining. This reduces all the effort needed to protect the machined surfaces during all the previous procedures.
Hi +ChrisFix . i mentioned to my grandfather that I want to paint my drum brakes with high heat paint, he told me it might not be a good idea as the paint coating will trap more heat inside the brakes. what's your opinion on this? thanks
Chris, You may want to let folks know that it's important to place the brake drum into a container like a plastic oil change pan before cleaning with brake cleaner instead of polluting the environment, just a thought.
+J.R. Romero thanks for sharing
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I recomend prep and paint BEFORE turning them, no need for taping since the lathe will cut the braking surface off anyway. Other than that looks good.
why am i watching this video? i dont even got drumbrakes... LOL, so entertaining to watch by some reason, all of Chris`s videos is, lol
Small tip this would be good to do BEFORE you get them turned because. If you happen to accidentally. Hit the surface area of the brake shoe ,when you get it turned they can fix the scuff
Thanks for the tip!
Hey man question for you, why didnt you put a wire brush or wheel on the angle grinder ?
Turning them at O’reillys cost $15 a piece , $3.50 for brake clean, $8 for paint and a brush is around $3 that’s $29.50 at that point your getting close (depending on what car you have) to the value of a new one. Save yourself 1 hour of work. Not to discourage any ricers from doing this but something I wanted to point out.
You have to sand the inside of the drum, because you clean it and remove any brake dust. And you have to sand a little bit the brake shoes. (With 600 Grid)
(I learned this in at my placement (in Germany))
+solomioist Thanks for sharing!
Bad idea. Some brake pads contain asbestos which should never be sanded because it releases microscopic fibers into the air. Asbestos isn't something you want to be breathing in.
Hey Chris first off thanks for this tutorial on the brake drum. I would like to know what would happen if you didn't use high heat spray paint on the outside of the drum?
+BleuWaterStones it could burn when you apply the brakes.
wire brush in a drill works really well
how much did it cost to have them turned?
how come you didn't just tape the drums before using the grinder?
do you have a preferred disk for the grinder when doing this?
He is so calm in this video
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