Does Red Meat Cause Cancer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Kip Andersen and bariatric surgeon Dr. Garth Davis join The Doctors along with personal trainer Jorge Cruise and pediatric endocrinologist Dr. Robert Lustig to debate the science used in the documentary “What the Health.”
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He said 80% of carbs not specifically rice.
carnist sophists >=/
Exactly!
The quote wasn’t from this video
so the Doctors put guests on the stage with them, but put these people in the crowd? Its just a tactic to make themselves seem superior
As usual. They style themselves as priests, and judge.
This is a favourite tactic of modern TV/Propaganda/Dumbing down.
I noticed that too.
They did it with "Happy Healthy Vegan", and barely let them talk.
Jon Columbino it's their show of course.
Yeah....They tend to do that....
3:00 To be fair Dr. Davis said carbohydrates not rice 2:10
Eric This dude doesn't seem to know that rice isn't the only carbohydrate
Which is true, even more than 80% and it is not only Okinawans.
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okinawans do not eat that much in terms of carbs :)) lol... they do now.. and they are sick and living shorter lives...
I just put a chart showing their very high carb intake in 1950 in my previous reply comment wtf...
yeah... sure... that is why every historical, or medical observation on okinawans from the POV of any non westerner (asian/ japanese non native of okinawa) is that the diet the okinawans were eating a very fatty diet?
they praised ocean fish and animals
they loved their pork and birds
they rarely consumed any starch plants because they sold them for money.
they consumed a lot of leafy greens when available...
anyway.... I do not believe one iota of what westerns doctors say about okinawans because they lie a lot to get an agenda across...
the way ancel keys lied about the 7 country study that was a 22 country study, the same way he lied about sardinians and greeks that were eting a lot of cheese, yogurts, and animals but when ancel keys went to study them they were in religious abstaining periods(wich are a very good idea if you want to be healthy)
People still watch this show? It's a joke and they are just industry shills
I have thought for a long time that the show is a joke.
I hate how the doctors just say "you're wrong" "That's not true" "It's cherry picking" etc. etc. And don't give any evidence or reason behind why they're saying that. At least the guy sitting in the audience is giving studies and research. It's just a screaming fest rather than a civilized debate and letting the other person talk.
LOL "everyone"??? ...stop pretending you know everyone in the medical sciences thinks that way.
You got a dermatologist. plastic surgeon and a fitness guru giving their opinion on nutrition. I'll choose Dr. Garth Davis hands down.
I agree witj alfie guy! Those doctors know barely anything when it comes to these types of things! Its not their field of expertise! They werent trained in this and dr davis does extensive research and studies so yes ill pick docter davies anytime. Those doctors and jsut like most people are brainwashed by society into certain thinking patterns and false history and information!!! I know persoanlly from a fact that red meat is bad PERIOD! Ive lost 5 familiy members due to red meat caused illnesses and im 29 now and ve been a vegataraian since i was 8 and i have none of the sympstoms they had when they were younger...........My blood work is totally different than theirs cuz my doctor did a comaprsion reaerch.........The problem here is that people are refusing to let go of the red meat cuz they like eating it so much! Thats the problem here! Just like with sigarettes back when they first came out, there were alot of people coming out sying it was deadly and later even actual studies and still people refused to believe it cuz they like smoking! Humans are incredibly stuborn bastards!!!!!
Amen Alfie :)
Michelle hallelujah amen
So apparently the World Health Organization cherry picked 900 studies? Lol
Virginia Messina MHP RD a vegan dietitian in her review of the documentary says "the World Health Organization’s analysis of processed meat and cancer risk is based on 800 studies. But this was a meta-analysis which means it began by identifying potentially relevant studies through a keyword search. In this case, it found 800 of them. But only seven of the studies actually qualified for and were included in the meta-analysis. So their conclusions are based on seven studies, not 800 - a big difference, and a big blunder by the filmmakers."
www.vegan.com/posts/vegan-dietitian-review-what-the-health/
Charles Ekendahl LMAO
Hmm, let's see...
Here's a take on those studies that she "looked" at. The segment that questions her findings on those studies starts at 1:28
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What are you talking about the IARC analysed 800 hundred studies before the alarm from WHO started, 22 scientists from different countries got togheter exclusively for this task.
www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf
The meta-analysis included those and to say the conclusions of the largest health organization on the planet for such a big statement are based on 7 studies alone is naive at best
Row Rebel Let me try and explain to you what I am talking about. From the link you provided you can easily get access to the information aswell. Simply click on Lancet Oncology link. Register with an email and password 'voila' there it is the summary of the study with methods and number of studies used in black and white. Here is what they have to say
"The largest body of epidemiological data concerned colorectal cancer. Data on the association of red meat consumption with colorectal cancer were available from 14 cohort studies. Positive associations were seen with high versus low consumption of red meat in half of those studies, including a cohort from ten European countries spanning a wide range of meat consumption and other large cohorts in Sweden and Australia. 7 Of the 15 informative case-control studies considered, seven reported positive associations of colorectal cancer with high versus low consumption of red meat. Positive associations of colorectal cancer with consumption of processed meat were reported in 12 of the 18 cohort studies that provided relevant data, including studies in Europe, Japan, and the USA. Supporting evidence came from six of nine informative case-control studies."
Dr. Garth Davis is a fucking Boss!
DEErockP87 LOVE him!
DEErockP87 he sure fucking is.. 👏🏻✋🏼
He changed my life :)
So right - love him!!
Bosses use real studies, not observational studies that support their agenda lmao. Nothing about what this sham said is rooted anywhere near science, hate to break it to you.
One doctor schooling 4 doctors, garth davis is a refreshing addition!
This is so hard to watch. Dr Garth Davis is the only one who knows what he's talking about.
More like he's the only one talking at all because he just screams at everyone and no one else gets a chance to speak
womp they all shout but ”the doctors” lies and. He even Callas them out for it. Is so funny. Davis is not a lier therefore he is vegan.
SeaDawgOST
He is a fake, that refuse to acknowledge that sugar cause diabetes.
@@womp6338 they were all getting a long chance to speak did you not watch the video go back and watch it they all got a chance to talk you heard long under interrupted sentences from all of them and you also heard each one of them get a long time to scream or yell what their opinions were. You already forgot after you just barely watched the video.
@Dr.s Saeed It is mixing sugar with fat that causes diabetes. Sugar alone will not hurt you and eatting tons of animal fat will also not hurt you just don't mix it.
Dr Garth should have his own show. He rocked it! The truth will prevail!
Hats off to Dr. Garth Davis for fighting the good fight.
Agree CsoSly but he fight an unfair fight.
He saying carbs can't cause obesity and diabetes r u fucking kidding me lmao
He’s a typical ego elitist that just gets verbally decencies when given the slightest amount of pushback.
Lol.....hes a clown....sugar doesnt cause diabetes lol
Seriously, actual science doesn’t show meat is linked to cancer. Every one of those studies can been torn to pieces by anyone that has the ability to read the data and how that data was generated and understand how the human body works.
The title of this show is ironic as fuck considering how Dr. Garth Davis is the only one who acted even remotely like a medical professional
Sarah Yak well shoot how can you when people spill out nonsense.
"This is the most unscientific discussion that I have ever had in my life." Cue the freeze frame and
Thug Life music with the shades and blunt. Cuz that line killed em.
🤣🤣🤣
It’s hilarious because Garth is talking like he has actual science supporting what he is saying, not realizing there is no science that definitively supports ANY of what he’s saying. In other words- a fraud who brainwashes others.
The irony is hilarious 😂. Imagine thinking you’re superior because you’re using “science” to back your claims, but the science you’re referring to is an observational study which is negligible and inconclusive at best. Phony. NEXT. Let me know when he has IRREFUTABLE evidence that meat is bad, then I’ll eat my words.
@@max8141 tell me you’re a dumbass without actually telling me you’re a dumbass😂😂😂
Dr. Garth Davis will look like a national hero in 10-20 years, when the public gets their head out of their ass and realizes meat is scientifically proven to be terrible for human consumption.
He was pretty triggered in this scene. Vegans are emotionally unstable.
lol, emotionally unstable? When people speak bullshit maybe.
Fuck yea, can't wait for that day
We have an overconsumption of protein for sure.
@@GutGains I showed this video to my non vegans friends and my dad and they were actually more angry with the doctors than with dr Davis
I barely understood anything in the last half of this video because they kept talking over each other😥and this is not the first time I’ve seen this on the doctors I just don’t think you should invite people on to your show and then bluntly tell them how you disagree with them🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Hopefully people understand a see what the message is. Eat a whole food plant based vegan diet.
Their goal was to make Davis look like a fool and their failed, miserably.
Most doctors have huge egos.
I hope people are paying attention to the industry standard of Physicians that sit on that panel. They will say whatever is necessary to keep the facade going. Thanks Dr. Garth for giving an unbiased scientific approach to this conversation.
Is this for real? Is this actually "The Doctors" youtube page???? Why would they replay the part where Dr. Stork wrongly says Dr. Garth said the Okinawa people eat 80% rice??? He said 80% of their calories come from carbs.... If I worked for the show and decided what got put on this youtube channel I definitely wouldnt have chosen that part... Then again I wouldn't have wanted to post ANY of it. Shameful... just reminds me of why I don't watch the doctors anymore.
As much as I dislike the guy, he could still be right about that quote. He said he read Dr. Garths quotes before going on stage, so it could be a quote we never heard him say.
"I'm not into opinions, I'm into actual science. I'm not biased because I'm vegan, I'm vegan because I learn this stuff through science." OOOOOOH!
Then say sugar doesn’t cause diabetes…
My uncle was a Doctor(Heart Surgeon). He agreed on what Dr. Garth Davis is saying because it was the actual scientific truth as he said and he doubted the credibility of these doctors who are against Dr. Davis because it was very ridiculous.
Imagine how terrified red meat and chicken suppliers are right now! Don't worry guys, we won't treat you as badly as you've been treating animals ;)
What do you propose we do, when we're out of this bussiness
if humans dont eat herbivores, then carnivore animals will, it just a nature thing
Let the vegans eat the plants then we can eat the vegans
@@moubai___ lions rape and chimpanzees kill each other.
they are all natural
u rape and kill too?
These doctors are bums! Go Garth Davis!
THANK YOU Dr. Garth Davis, for seeking truth amid so much industry funding and personal denial of hearing those truths.
I hope everyone else watched the full version and saw what I saw. This show should be canceled, and "the doctors" should have their licenses revoked.
Forget this channel, go to Dr Garth Davis' channel.
Yeah actually I was looking for the full version, where can I find it?
James Purcell where can i watch the full?
Where can’t I find the full
Hey 'The doctors' - YOU LOSE!!!
Oh dear oh dear. Since Jennie McCarthy schooled the Dr's in the vaccines episode, I can't take any of them seriously. Dr Davis' meta-analysis in Proteinaholic adds up. Good on him for presenting his case.
red and processed meats are heavily linked to increasing your risks of cancer, especially bowel/colon cancers, the world health organisation proved that and cancer council and cancer.org have agreed and written about it. the doctors completely ignored that point and decided to change the topic totally away from meat and cancer, and continued to get mad. i wouldve liked to see them debate politely rather than yell over the top of each other, both parties would have got their point across better that way.
bella sarah xx Q&A from WHO
"Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?
In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.
Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out.
cancer.org is funded by Tyson they have to support the meat industry
bella sarah xx no those doctors deserved that. davis lost his patience.
My sister's mother in law lives on a farm where they raise their own sheep. She ate red meat all her life and was recently diagnosed with colon cancer. She is 64 year's young.
Source? I’m not interested in what the WHO agrees and writes about lmao. I’m interested in the cold hard facts. Show me a piece of literature that states everything that you’re saying. If you can’t, then you can understand why I think you’re being silly right now.
I’m not interested in observational studies that show absolutely nothing. I’m interested in EXPERIMENTAL studies. Double blind placebos. Randomized control trials. You got any of those? Probably not huh? Lmao.
Stay biased.
These "doctors" should be barred from seeing patients..
the only one making some logical freakin sense is Dr Davis:)
big respect for Dr Davis for being really honest and direct!
Dr Davis: Okinawans get 80% of their calories from carbs
Host: You said that 80% of Okinawans eat rice as their primary carbohydrate
“You are so wrong on the science” “Okinawans get their carbohydrates mostly from Sweet potatoes. You said rice”
And that is how people manipulate other people
Garth Davis MD is right on the money. I followed the science not cherry picking and no one told me to go plant-based a decade ago. It was the research that took me in that direction. Plant-based or vegan was not even on my radar then or that well known.
Holly crap...this turned out nasty😂
Holy, the doctors on stage are being made to look like fools blabbering about their opinions. Dr. Davis is handing them all their asses. Bravo Dr. Davis, you deserve your title.
“I can make you diabetic right now!” Dr. Garth Davis is awesome.
"This ia the most unscientific discussion I've had in my life" -Dr. Davis 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with Doc Davis
Why do you agree with Davies?
Dr. Davis is amazing and knows his facts so well. All of the rest of the physicians are clueless and do not want to change their bad habits so they find any excuse and poor argument to belittle him, shame on them
Dr. Garth Davis is around 10 years ahead of this panel.
People have a hard time accepting their food choices cause problems.
Wow, I thought Dr Davis was vegan but he just roasted these 'doctors' alive on national television
😂
Anyone who says sugar CANNOT cause diabetes lacks credibility and should not be a source of nutritional/medical advice.
GOOOOO Vegan!!!!! Healthiest I've ever been in my life!
The future is vegan!
go ahead ...
I had better invest 💵 in b12 pills then
You’ll get dementia in your 60s. Dont do that.
Travis: “YOURE WRONG, YOUR WRONG”
few mins later
Travis: “I actually agree with you”
Sorry baby WHAT??
I love how smart the audience and viewers are becoming. The doctors can try ever single tactic and ppl still don’t believe their lies.
I just got cancer, high cholesterol and diabetes after watching this video.
Why is Gretchen from the mean girls pretending to be a doctor?
Why are the guests sitting in the audience? Why are the 'doctors' on an elevated platform like judges? So disrespectful.
It was not a debate it was an attack from The Doctors because what matter the most was their opinion. Dr. Garth Davis had to fight to speak.
Wow. ..the uniformed vegans in this comment section are abundant.
It’s insane lmao.
Becoming a pescatarian has saved by life! I would be dead if I hadn't stopped eating meat. Instead, I 'm 80 year old male who playes tennis for up to two hours three days a week. I do resistance training twice a week.
I lost over 20 pounds 5'9"" at 169 pounds.
I wake up feeling wonderful!
You’ll be dead sooner or later then, time to add meat back into your diet, because you were led to believe a Lie! MEAT HEALS!!
Lets not forget this is a TV show, truth means nothing, ratings are everything!
Dr Davis never said that Okinawins eat rice. He said “carbohydrates”. Which is exactly what sweet potatoes fall under.
Will T these people are stupid. They have no idea what theyre talking about. Kills my braincells
Garth, you are legend !!! Keep it up!
Garth Davis your the man, it's good to see someone standing up to these types pressure tactics.
Tell them Dr. Davis! You are awesome❤️
"Doctors"? What a joke. I see only one Doctor in that room!
He wrote a book and read a few papers so he is an expert. Bullshit that's not how science works.
Go Garth Davis! You have changed so many lives. This lifestyle is what will change our sick, money driven and polluted world!
I am try vegan and non veg diet . I must admit I was more happy and energetic on vegan diet . Now i am full time vegan for 4 years .
“States scientific fact with supporting evidence”
“But I disagree”
🤣🤣
Or how bout
“Your so off on the science in my opinion”
These doctors aren’t doctors they have so many opinions they can’t even see science as real
Poor Travis and the rest of his crew are so lost...I sort of feel bad for them. I'm guessing he knows the truth but got corrupted into being a shill by corporate forces, and I feel bad for him having gone through whatever emotional trauma he experienced that weakened him enough to render him susceptible to selling out to predators...his chronic rejection/ repression of his homosexuality, perhaps? I hope he heals up and comes to the light sooner rather than later, b/c he's killing people by promulgating such disastrous misinformation. But for anyone who actually reads the scientific literature and can think logically, it's quite obvious that a whole-food, plant-based diet is the best diet for human health. Best of luck, "doctors".
Plant based doesn’t mean no meat. We evolved eating both of them. Go take your b12 and run along.
Our bodies are built of protein, and for the record I quit sugar, and went high fat carnivore, resulting in no more diabetes
Why is the doc in the audience? The docs should be at the table sitting with them. It’s supposed to be a discussion
Dr. Davis said okinawans get 80% of their calories from carbs. Stork: "your saying that Okinawans eat 80% of their diet is rice, it's not. It's actually sweet potatoes. That's not what Davis said. Call this show "The Puppets" from now on.
People should learn from this that "studies" are not perfect or foolproof and that the truth is not always in the concocted numbers or proven by "studies" especially within complex issues that we do not fully understand.
Garth Davis didn't just give up meat. He changed his entire lifestyle and diet. Now he's telling huge fibs.
Me: okay google, how much meat is consumed in Okinawa.
Google :
Vegetables (58-60%): sweet potato (orange and purple), seaweed, kelp, bamboo shoots, daikon radish, bitter melon, cabbage, carrots, Chinese okra, pumpkin, and green papaya
Grains (33%): millet, wheat, rice, and noodles
Soy foods (5%): tofu, miso, natto, and edamame
Meat and seafood (1-2%): mostly white fish, seafood, and occasional pork - all cuts, including organs
Other (1%): alcohol, tea, spices, and dashi (broth)
Right? Sugar doesn't cause diabetes, sounds like a license to eat junk
Everyone who’s asking questions is being disrespectful rn and I must commend the pair for being so respectful tbh
If meat is toxic then how did the human race make it this far?
krogdog they die after reproductive years. Still happens today.
OK. I have so much to say. (If you don't read my whole comment I won't blame you) :-) I thought the way the 2 vegan doctors were treated! This rant has NOTHING to do with veganism. It has to do with treating your fellow man with respect. This is what these two doctors did not get. They (the show) brought them on just to try and make them look stupid. They have an audience that just blindly follows what the TV Drs. say. And they will say "Oh those vegans are crazy/extreme!" I find it funny that if the roles were reversed they TV show would get shut down. "You know those crazy vegan" People would say. These kind of doctors shows is why I don't even have a TV! The media panders to an audience that isn't going to research anything. They pander to 80 per cnet of the population and the other 20 percent just needs to shut up and not make a big deal about it. (2% of vegans to 98% meat eaters) I do livestreams and I want to have different people on. I would never treat any of my guest this way. OK...rant over.
Pink Fluffy Sylveon h
This Travis guy is like a toddler.. I don't know whether to cry at the thought of people listening to the crap he says or to laugh at the fact that he's still employed as a "doctor".
Nice to see Davis talk straight facts instead whining about Donald Trump like a baby.
oh my god this spiraled out of control and I still dont know the truth. debates have no purpose
so from a scientific point there should be 4 doctors of the plant based camp against 1 on the show. and not the other way around
Doctors got OWNED LETS GO DAVIS
Fucking love Garth, thanks for always telling the TRUTH!!! He is dope
Why was this so damn intense. Just let each other talk
GennyKoala they were pressured to ‘get the facts straight on national television’
Garth Davis Wins.
This doctor show needs to be canceled. I believe what the health
I eat cheese once every 2 to 4 weeks. I’m completely plant-based at home, school, workplace, and fast food. Pizza is my only weakness. It works for me.
Get pizza without the cheese and then add your own vegan cheese at home. I like Violife. If you have a Mod Pizza in your town they have Daiya cheese and they don't charge for every damn topping.
@@beautifulaspen6583 Vegan cheese or real cheese doesn’t matter. It’s all pure junk food.
VEgan cheese lmao what a nonce
Dr. Garth is a rock star!
Why do I always find this channel in videos defending the wrong science. Ironic it being a Doctor's channel and not done their research.. at all.
Plant-based diet cured my Crohn's disease and anxiety. Healthier than ever. Go Garth Davis go!!!
unfortunately plant based diet will lower the testosterone level
@@moubai___ my constant morning wood disagrees
@@moubai___ Proof?
@@mushshrap6471 you cheeky you
Thank you dr Davis for speaking up the truthand talking ral science instead of "disagreeing"..
Meat is not healthy and contains some nutrients, why don't find the same nutrients in other sources... Logic 101
I’m for plant based but Garth really stretched. And just because you get loud doesn’t mean you’re right
I can save you from diabetes now from meat and fish alone. Now, how do you answer this?
Lol the TRUTH is going to mess up their money. They're upset 😂😂
Dr. Garth is the man
I didn't hear a good argument about why Dr. Davis was wrong. Just opinions.
We send rockets to space. Can we finally figure out what's the best food for humanity?
Why are the guest in the crowd?
doctor davis is my man
Why exactly are doctors saying that red meat is good? And the doctor said 80% of their calories are from carbs. Carbs don’t always equal rice.
Okay seems like it’s Jerry Springers here. Lol
Is this what happens on this show all the time???!! Who's stupid idea was it that guests should sit across the room from the hosts??!! Can you imagine if Jimmy Fallon had his guests sit in the audience and they conducted their conversation yelling across the stage?? It's ridiculous!!
This was SO hard to watch. I say they do a PROPER DEBATE that is at least two hours in length.
Dr. Garth Davis deserves his opportunity to back up his claims.
This wont age well, in 20-30 years time they will look like Doctors in the past who used to promote smoking as healthy. They want people to stay sick and fat, they're the customers!
0:55 Convince me those two women in the background were not placed there purposefully.
So sugar is good but protein is not 🤔
Absolute insanity to say something like that and Garth has got his followers by the balls lmao.