Well we are 6 months later June 2019. My 365 is dated Feb 2019-5000+ rounds through it. No problems. Sweet shooter, accurate. No spring scratch on magazine problem, no striker issues, no FTEs, no cycling problems. Striker drag is common on most mini/micro/compacts. Shield included. Love this piece.
I have a gen 3 carried it every day have way over 1200 rounds initially when I first got it it would occasionally not hold back on the last round I contacted sig and they asked me what ammunition I was using I told them 115 grain they told me that the 365 was actually meant for 124 grain but it will operate with 115 grain ever since then I use nothing but 124 grain absolutely no problems. As for Tim's broken striker I had absolutely no problem with that but for my own peace of mind I purchased a stainless steel machined striker for only $100 I cannot recommend the P365 enough I carry it with a 12 round magazine absolutely love it . I have no problem recommending the P365 in fact I stake my life on it every day.
Same here, Love my P365, The Only 9mm ammo I run in ANY of my 9mm's is 124 Grain NATO for target (Which is actually +P), For my carry Ammo I only use Corbon 115 +P Hollow points (Both are stout for little 9mm rounds), 0 Malfunctions EVER and has NEVER failed to lock the slide back
I appreciate the fact that eric & chad kept the footage of the "user error " in there. It's good to see nothing hidden and also the potential of "adjusting grip/hold" is something to consider in different guns. Great content! Keep em coming boys!
Being primarily an 1911 guy I am completely unbiased here. I own many firearms from different manufacturers and my 2nd gen Sig p365 is the probably the best deep concealment pistol to me so far. Many, many rounds ( I don't usually count) and not one malfunction. Unlike some I use different tools for different applications.
I love 1911's for range plinking. Love them. Beautiful and generally reliable guns. Tried and true. I've owned several 1911's, the only one I have currently is a Springfield a1 milspec, that I gutted and rebuilt with Wilson combat interals. Tungsten hammer, full length tungsten guide rod, tungsten sear, new springs, polished her up a bit, and so on. It's a fantastic gun. I have never carried it. Doesn't make much sense to me to carry a gun that hold 7+1, that's heavier, and uses a hammer with an incredibly sensitive trigger. I know it has a safety and blah blah but I don't carry guns with a safety on. Ever. My carry is a sig p320. I love it. It's a very reliable and accurate pistol. It feels great in my hands. 17+1. One of the few pistols that I can comfortably and accurately shoot with either hand. I understand that doesn't matter to most people but it does to me. I like mixing it up and practicing with each hand.
You sound like a practical engineer knows best fit for the job in hand greetings from London best we have is shotgun and getting a license is difficult I’m very jealous 😢
I have a 3rd gen P365 and after 500+ rounds I have had no malfunctions and it’s the best micro 9 I have owned. Very, very accurate gun. Completely pleased with this gun.
My 365 runs perfectly. I tried other 9MM compacts in this category before I bought mine and the Sig P365 felt best in my hands, shot best, no failures of any kind, and most accurate because of the awesome sights. It also conceals better in my opinion even with just shorts and a t-shirt. I have friends who love their S&W M&P Shields but this will always be my everyday CCW. Excellent video!
Yes, my Shield has been great. I think its been five years since I purchased it and thousands of rounds of ammo, all different manufacturers and not one problem.
I've got a very early P365. I've now put about 2000 round through it with ZERO issues. No mag scratching, no firing pin drag, nothing. It is 100% the BEST carry gun I've ever owned.
I called Sig Customer service today I asked how many had been sold and how many had come back with issues. Sold 200000 and .250% have came back for multiple reasons from finish scratched sights FP you name it. That’s a low percentage of returns. Now I am interested in how many Glock 43s have been sold and how many returned for service. I own both. I called Glock today. They won’t say how many have been sold or how many have come back. At least sig has the sack to put the numbers out there. I am working up the ladder for an Anser
This is the crucial thing that people seem to forget. They suppose that Glock early adopters (or any early adopters) had a better time of it. They never did, albeit Sig has not handled the situation gracefully. Sub-par PR, not sub-par QC.
Sig has 3 patents on making a magazine this small with that capacity. You think the other gun manufacturers might pay off some TH-cam channels and media so they can even compete? This is the biggest smear campaign we’ve ever seen in the gun industry.
Mine has a born on date of February 6, 2019. Have shot 300+ rounds of assorted 115 ammo without a single issue. Also shot a mag of Horady Critical Defense with no issues. One more range visit like this and I'm making this my EDC.
I live in Atlanta and I’m a Glock guy. However, I have 1400 rounds through mine with no malfunctions. I’ve broken it down, pulled out the striker after every range trip and it is solid. Born date is May 16 2018. I just bought another one three days ago born on December 1st 2018. Once again no malfunctions, no scratched mags , etc. My daughter and my niece shot it as well. No malfunctions and the slide locked back every time, even with my niece that doesn’t shoot often. The pistols are good to go.
I carry mine every day. 13 rounds slimmer and shoots better then a shield or a Glock 43. Mines at around 1500 rounds. No real issues other then me riding the slide catch at first. But honestly the gun is a champ!!!
I've got around 550 rounds through mine had it around a month. I think it's born on date is October 3rd. I love it! One of favorite handguns I own. And I have a (few)😉😉. Mine does the same primer drag or whatever but doesn't seem to be an issue as of yet. Good video guys and thanks for what you guys do for our community!!!
I was having a lot of the problems Matt had. Slide not locking back (my fault) and failure to go into battery. Sent it back to SIG and they got it back pretty quickly. The back end of the chamber had a more generous chamfer to it and was polished up. I was having FTB at least once a mag straight out of the box. Cleaned and lubricated. I didn't even have to take my offhand out of my pocket to count the FTB in 120ish rounds after getting SIG's preservative off it, but that is still too many. After it came back from SIG, 300 rounds of Blazer brass - 0 failures.
Just picked up a p365, manufactured January of 2022. After about 500 rounds it’s running flawlessly. I’ve put through about 100 assorted hollow points as well with no malfunctioning. Zero primer drag and quite controllable. I may have finally found my new favorite carry option. After trying 4 different micro 9mm the p365 is probably the best fitting, shooting and controlling carry gun I have gotten my hands on.
My P 365 has 3000 rounds thru it flawlessly! It has primer swipe which is not an issue with a properly manufactured striker. A striker is many times harder than a primer and only is an issue if the hardness on the striker is manufactured incorrectly. Ammo used: Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ Frame manufacture date: 11/17 Manufacture Date: 04 Feb 2018 Purchase Date: March 5, 2018 Purchased from: Bass Pro Shops Model on box: 365-9-BXR Pre-production release (T&E) & Early release had 365-9-BSS BSS model was Siglight sights - BXR model is X Ray sights same used on Legion Pistols My P 365 has never been sent to Sig for anything and was purchased over the counter at Bass Pro Shops. In 3000 rounds I had 2 shooter errors Thumb Riding Slide stop which I knew I did. What is noteable is my pistol had X Ray sights and barrel and slide mill work done in March before the internet reported all the issues and fixes. I carry it with confidence and would purchase another P 365.
You're assuming this, and you don't know this for a fact. Also riding the slide release would explain the slide not locking back on the last round, it does not explain the pistol repeatedly failing to go into battery.
He’s also riding the slide with his thumb, guaranteed. When you put pressure on the slide with your thumb you can cause FTE’s, failure to return to battery and all sorts of stuff. You can really tell he doesn’t shoot very much.
@@Banshee365 it may be true that riding the slide is contributing to the malfunctions. However, not every pistol react the same way to the same level of pressure being applied to the slide. How much slide pressure is required to cause a malfunction depends on the slide velocity, the recoil spring, and excessive internal friction due to tight tolerances, or something obstructing the movement of the slide. From the number of people experiencing these types of malfunctions with this pistol, it seems to me that it is much more sensitive ti pressure being applied to the slide, then other pistols of that size. I have quite a few pistols, including several small subcompact and even pocket pistols, and I tend have a high grip, and ride the slide a little bit on all of them, yet never experienced these types of malfunctions.
mo hawk: I have over 1,800 rds through my P365 & I’ve had ZERO malfunctions. Every shooter is different as this video proves. Two of the 3 shooters had no problems whatsoever. When shooting these small subcompact pistols I think a modified grip is best. Thumb placement is key to running them smoothly. Obviously the 3rd shooter was doing something different in the video & he even admitted he was riding the slide lock in the video. The P365 has gotten a bad rap but not all the issues are gun related. This video proves my point.
@@glockoholics7512 when you have that high percentage of pistols on the market having failures, and that high percentage of people that have a problem with this pistol, it is not likely that it's just the habits of the shooter that's the problem. As I said it's quite possible that pressure on the slide is contributing to the malfunctions, but given the number of people having these types of issues with the p365 it seems evident that it is more sensitive to that sort of thing than other pistols and its class. Every gun is physically different and I'm glad your example works well for you, but there's clearly an issue with either the design, or Sig's manufacturing process for this pistol.
I got mine early last month. October born date. Put about 500 rounds thru it of steel, brass and aluminum case ammo. No problems so far. Funny thing is that the primer drag is there but noticed that my G17 also has primer drag. Definitely unexpected to see that out of my Glock. Thanks for the vid, I was waiting for this and look forward for other videos on the p365 as I truly love mine.
Thanks for the review, you are the first ones to have a true review of the problems of this gun. None of the many reviews have mentioned the firing pin drag or any other problems w this gun, I bought a SCCY CPX-2 which is almost the same specs and I had problems w/ it as well but the company took care of the problem within a week w/ a new slide and it works as well as your review of the Sig. I have made the same type shots w/ the same accuracy results. I don't feel so bad going w/ the SCCY that the SIG.Thanks for an honest and accurate review. PS love your channel.
Great vid, as usual. Y'all are very fair in your reviews, which is why I keep watching them. FWIW, I love my P365. Well over 1000 rounds through it now, and it's been great. It took me a bit of getting used to, but it fires 100% for me now. Thanks for your work, and merry Christmas to all.
My son had the same issues when he was a little kid with slides not locking back and not going into battery. I adjusted his grip and the problems went away. Turns out he was limp wristing and riding the slide catch. Pretty sure that’s what Matt was doing because when Chad started shooting all those issues went away. I’m buying this gun soon and very excited about it.
When I first started shooting I did the same thing lots of times. I was shooting a glock 19 gen 4. instructor fixed my issue and changed my grip I highly improved after that
7 out of 10 of the P365s I sold when they came out have gone back to Sig for repair. Not a good ratio. If the trigger reset spring issue (spring that drags on mag) hasn't been fixed then it's still no-bueno. We've seen that spring break from fast mag changes and the lip of the back of the mag catching on that spring and breaking it. The result is a gun that only fires when held upside-down. Sig, get your act together. This is the third gun in a row that has major issues (the others being the P320 drop safe issue, and the MCX bolt issue)
Thank you for mentioning the issues you are seeing. There are so many taking sides with this firearm and are calling people that mention issues out right liars or that they are doing something wrong. I get that guns are not perfect and they have issues and all that, but issues are still issues regardless.
my wife got her's in July. The first gun SHE ACTUALLY CARRIES... We've put about 700 rnds through it, not one malfunction. We've cleaned it twice. No peening, no malformation of the firing pin, no magazine scratching, or issues with the trigger return... I carry a p938(have for years) and I love it; but next year I plan on purchasing one of these as a second carry option for myself (i honestly thought I'd end up with this one; but she actually, genuinely loves and carries the thing)... Great little gun.
@@Silidons91 No its not "nothing"... most people never even fire 700 rnds in a lifetime... let alone 6mos. The week she got it, we put 200rnds through it of everything from 115gr ball to 147gr Hornady. It ate it all up and spit it out. I get it may not be enough to definitively say it's "battle proven"; but my experience is, in the real world, people, even you Im sure, don't run 700rnds through their carry gun. She did and we trust it. I've put about 2000 rnds through my p938; but thats been over a course of 3yrs. 700 in six months is more than sufficient....
@@Silidons91 I'm with you on this one.. if I really like a pistol; I might do more than 700 rounds the FIRST time I take to the range. When I go to train or shoot for fun, it's an all day thing and can go anywhere from 500-1000 rounds combined on the lower end. I normally don't shoot less than 350 FMJ 124g 9mm rounds, 150 rounds of HST 147g +p 9mm(carry and HD guns only), 50-100 rounds of .380 for my pocket gun, 250 5.56 rounds for my HD rifle; that's weekly/bi-weekly(I get antsy if I miss a week and still take my carry pistol indoors for 250 rounds if I get a couple hours) 120 birdshot, 50 buckshot, 25-30 slugs in my HD shotgun when outdoors, slugs only indoors. I may skip the shotgun and only take it monthly if inconvenient. Any less than this, and I feel a small decline in my performance...I'd assume the same with other people whether they realize it or not. I'll forego luxuries before I forego practice time, dry firing is NOT enough: buy cheap Tula/Wolf and clean more frequently(after every trip) if it means being able to still shoot. And just because it ran and you kept it on paper in CONTROLLED CONDITIONS doesn't mean it will when everything is fucked and you can't control your body functions 100% Trust that we give you shit because we care, my friend.
I bought one of the early modles. I had problems. I sent it back to Sig. They replaced the barrel, extractor system and some additional springs. It was returned fairly quickly and have had not one problem since.I looks to me that you are using quality ammo, you are seasoned shooters. This is a clear example that this device needs the attention of a Sig professional. It is free shipping both ways. I do not think you want to waste any more time until Sig had corrected the problems that exist. I had the "Voluntary upgrade on my Sig 320. I could not belive the amount of work that Sig performed. I was upon stripping it very visible that some major leauge work was done n it. Best of luck and I hope you allow Sig to make your tool reliable. It is not going to bet better with time. Great video as always.
I have one from June with about 3k rounds, no issues. The trigger gets better and the 12 round mags get easier to load. Needs a little more love is all. I carry mine every day.
Mine has a born on date of February 15th. No modifications. Over 5000 rounds from many different shooters. No failures whatsoever. Shot the first 1000 rounds right out of the box, no cleaning, etc. It's just remarkable, nothing further
“Might be user error” 😂 love you Matt. Good show and an excellent example of why technique and continuous training is something everyone needs. Kinda like driving a manual transmission, takes time.
For some reason, my P365 came with three 12 round mags? Love them. The length exactly fits my hand! Someone said their gun held 1 more round (Hellcat) If I need more than 13 rounds I am in a world of hurt from the start. And so is he with 14 rounds!
Interesting. I'm not a hater or fanboy of any firearm manufacturer. I have a P365 and have better than a 1000 rounds through mine. NO PROBLEMS. In fact. I left my P365 in the rod locker of my bass boat during July Alabama heat and humidity by accident for about 2 weeks. The damn thing did have rust on the front and rear sights. And had about 300 rounds through it without a cleaning. Shot about a 100 rounds through for kicks and didn't have a single problem. Yeah. afterward I showed it the love and gave it a full spa day and it looks as good as new. Perhaps I got the golden nugget of the bunch and got lucky. But I refuse to be a hater. I respect the research and development process. What I find very interesting is that US Army is investing mega millions in the P320 (M17) and several countries around the world have placed great faith in the Sig product line. And yep the 320 had some issues as well. And truthfully, I think it was a bad idea for the US Army to reject the M9A3 that would have been a much easier transition for the armories and soldiers over the M17. And that is not a rip on Sig or Beretta. Perhaps, just perhaps Sig did not fully vet the firearm before marketing. But the M16 had a boat load of problems in Viet Nam. But not too many people 50yrs later would say the AR platform was a failure. And Sig has lost and spent a boat load of money honestly trying to rectify the problems. Instead of being haters, be developers. The world would work better that way.
Good point on the M16.. gives some perspective for sure. It is interesting though that a major brand such as Sig would have so many little issues with a new pistol. I guess that is the result of pushing the envelope with what's possible in a subcompact.
Bradley Erickson As a VN vet who was issued an M16 in 1966...Nicely said. Too many folks mistakenly ignore and avoid history, to their and society’s detriment.
Or....the could have just bought the 19X like the should have. However they instead bought a gun with a telephone pole sized grip...god forbid they use the simplest and most robust modern handgun design...sorry for that rant
I have 1.300 trouble-free rounds through my P365 gen2. I did install the stainless steel striker - just in case. Shoots awesome for such a small gun. Very happy with it. Thanks for the video and cheers!
There have been so many rolling changes you probably have a good one. The big one is the change in firing pin design. Keep an eye out for the magazine being marked by the trigger spring.
I swapped the striker with the upgraded Lightning Strike striker (just because I could), and added a Lima365 laser. Absolutely love it and haven't had one single issue in several hundred rounds of various ammo. It happily eats HSTs and literally disappears IWB. Sig definitely has a winner here.
I disagree. I watched over and over and the kid's wrists were locked solid. If anything, it was just as they said, riding the slide release lever. That can happen to anybody because of our different physiology. That's why we have so many guns to choose from. None of them work for everybody. Heck, I think it would be a great idea to bring him more often on all new gun shoots! We don't need every gun review done by old bastards like us that have already been shooting for 30 or 40 years.
My trigger reset spring broke after only five or six rounds. Took the gun apart and unlike everyone else with a spring that's too long. My spring was way too short. I didn't want to deal with Sig customer service so I used music wire and wound my own spring. Literally took me less than a minute. 200 rounds later with no malfunctions.
That is great! If.. Glocks, S&W, Berettas, CZs: Even Canik all needed modification to work. But actually you can pull those guns out of their packaging: And go shoot 10K rounds without an issue. You can get a gun that is better, for less.
I just bought one at the end of July 2020 and had a chance to shoot it this past weekend. I love it, and it shot great. Had 2 boxes of ammo, so I only put 100 rounds thru it but was pleased to see that mine has no primer drag what so ever. It's fun on the range, I have a 15 round clip besides the 2 10s that came with it...they empty quick.
@@sqwk2559 I'm far from an expert. I dont even claim to be one, but I am an Average Consumer that has a tiny bit of mechanical knowledge & skill. But claiming that the average person cant take a file & file a spring down a hair is asinine at best!
You are the first reviewer to be somewhat critical of the trigger! I completely agree with your comment about "sponginess", but at least it's consistent and you can train around that. I have also experienced the problem of the slide not locking back, and I know it's because of my grip . . . I attribute this problem to the fact that it's so much smaller than my other pistols. The P365 requires a commitment to train with it. GREAT VIDEO!!!! I'm looking forward to seeing your follow-up videos on this gun.
I greatly appreciate the video, however, the so-called “primer swipe” is a non-issue, greatly hyped by people like Tim at MAC. Quite a significant amount of compact handguns have a similar affect.
I have 2500 plus hundred rounds through my 365 without a single issue firing every round. Mine is a second gen and was purchased in May of 2018! My front sight broke off while firing at around 2000 rounds or so. I called Sig and they sent me another one out and I received it just a few days later and have continued with zero issue. I love the gun. FYI- I think it is important to understand the uniqueness of the magazine capacity in relation to its size. Yes it is a double stack however, it is much thinner than a any other double stack made. It’s just a slightly thicker than a glock 43 single stack mag. My glock 42 mag with the SI extension on it giving it two extra rounds for a total of 8 in the mag is taller than the 365 mag holding 12 rounds. My point is that the Sig365 holds way more rounds than the glock 42,43 or even the 26 and it is smaller than all of them! As for recoil, in my opinion, it is less snappy than the G43. It’s less angry of a snap and very very manageable. I promise this to be true! I carry it with the Sig 115grain defense ammo and practice with a variety of 115grain ball ammo and it shoots super great. Interesting idea on the porting though and I think I will try doing that to mine! Did I tell you that this gun is smaller than my Glock42 and holds 12+1 rounds! Pretty fantastical! HA! Biggest negative in my view is Sig’s lack of addressing the issues with the first gen of the P365 publicly! They should have made a solid TH-cam video talking about it openly and telling everyone what they were going to do to make the situation right and then kept us up to date as they solved it. That to me would have been superb integrity. Other than that, Sig makes sole of the best firearms out there. 👍🏼
Thanks for the review guys. I’ve had my P365 for 7-months. It’s my daily carry weapon and I hit the range every other week. I have the same striker drag, but I’ve never had the slide fail to lock back. I absolutely love this pistol. Even w/ the 12-round mag it’s still very concealable. I did buy a titanium backup firing pin, but have not had to change out yet. BTW - Matt’s hand seemed high to me.
Bought the P320 last year and the P365 this year. I really like both of them no issues so far. I like the grip better than a glock and easy to take down.
I had problems reassembling but after finding the right video I got it figured out. Mine locked up on reassembly and had to take it back into Cabela’s. They figured it out but their explanation didn’t make sense. Thank God for uTube videos.
I work at a gun shop. We noticed this failure to go into battery on a display model. We got it to stop by working it a bit. We looked at the other 12 we had on hand and this was the only one with this issue. I’ve only seen it on the most recent gen 3s from the factory.
I just got mine. Born on date is November so I'm sure it's the most current build and I only have 300 rounds through it so far with no issues and amazing accuracy. I'm not seeing any scratching on my magazines, but the primer drag is somewhat concerning.
@@codydavenport8429 Your striker may break if the primer drag is bad. That's another issue the 365s have presented. Keep a close eye on it. If I was you, I'd probably shoot very soft primer ammo only. If and when Sig finally sorts out the striker breakage, hopefully they do a recall rather than forcing you to break it yourself.
Ive owned this gun for 2 months and have 1500 rounds through it(all 1500 have had primer drag). Ive not encountered any issues with its passed 350 rounds. I had the same issue with the gun not going into battery caused by the firing pin assembly sliding the backplate down. But like i said after the first 350 rounds i never had an issue with going into battery, or any other issues at all. Other than the slide not staying open when newer shooters handle the gun i havent been dissapointed in this product and have really been enjoying taking it to the range. About 350 of the rounds ive shot through the gun have been factory loads other than that the rest have been handloads. Once i encountered the issue with it not going into battery i lightened my handloads and i like to think that may have been the reason it has been fine since. Every time i had the battery issue (which was 3 or 4 times) i was shooting my reloads. I hope this info is helpful to other shooters out there!
On this topic, half the negative commentators don't even own the gun, The other half own them and haven't had problems, while just a few own them and have had issues. I love mine
Had mine since July, no problems, no fails, shoots everything I use. Good accuracy. Carries way out of sight. Small enough you can put it in your pocket. Never a problem with the Sig company on any of my firearms. P220, P238, P226. P226 Legion 1911, they are great and always cooperate. Glock lovers are hating it, so you know its a good weapon! Glocks and S&W have striker drag also. Took you long enough to do this review,
Hells yes!!! I like guns that shoot! It's even better when that gun costs three hundred bucks and I can let bounce around in the back of the old ferd pickem up , slap a mag in and pull the trigger a bunch and it goes bang every time!!!!
I don’t think it’s physically possible for a human being to cycle a highpoint carbine fast enough for long enough to heat up a highpoint to the point of failure. Even JM’s superhuman finngers would cramp up cycling that god awful trigger before he could melt that gun down.
My P365, 4/16 build date has been flawless. No scratches on the mag. I swapped the firing pin for an aftermarket version just to be sure but didn't have any failures prior to the swap. The new firing pin did seem to reduce the primer drag on mine. But it still remains perfect to this day.
Preston Pope when did you buy P365? did you have any issues with it? what gun did you carry before you got P365? I am looking for some reliable gun I could carry - tried glock 19 it was printing too much on my body so I need something smaller. what do you think about ruger LCP 2 with laser as a pocket gun?
The Sigs 365 innards are so compact it’s like a swiss watch. And double stack is unprecedented so like the micros in striker fire or hammer it proves problematic. If everything is in the right place and every part is correctly made it’s a smooth gun that’s flawless.
Matt's thumb may have been rubbing the side of the slide, causing the slide to not go into battery. On sub-compact pistols, and slowing of a lightweight slide will have this effect. Still concerned about the firing pin swiping the primers, but reliability seems to work. Keep us updated as you and Brittany continue to train
I was going to say the same. He has a high thumb grip which can both slow the slide and can commonly cause you to ride the slide catch. When he moved his thumbs down the shells ejected further and it locked back.
Yeah, I totally think the same thing. As soon as he adjusted his grip everything worked as it should. I believe he did make sure to note that it was user error. -_o
I had problems with the gun range P365 rental going into battery. After I bought a P365 I will occasionally experience the slide not locking back on the last round. The problem is me. I am having to learn to rest my weak thumb on the accessory slot and not higher on the slide. The real problem is my big hands using a small gun. The P365 is my daily carry, and I love the concealability of the gun. Sig hit a home run.
My P365 is a Gen 1 that's had over 2000 rounds through it without a problem. Does the striker drag on the primers? Yea but then again I've seen the striker drag on my Shield. Personally, while I think the P365 is working its way through growing pains, I think the bigger problem is that there are too many "drama queens" looking to knock competitors to their preferred pistol manufacturer. On the other hand, I think companies like SIG need to get more of these pistols out into the field for detailed and high use testing BEFORE they release them to the public. Better to work out the bugs using someone OTHER than the end user.
Many of the users "knocking sig" love Sig Sauer. They just call it how they see it. To write their criticisms off as "drama queens looking to knock competitors" is disingenuous and asinine. To be clear, the issue with the primer drag and broken strikers is one of engineering, it cannot be completely fixed with rolling updates. The barrel begins to drop while the striker is stil in contact with the primer, putting vertical wear and stress on a part designed to deal with horizontal stress and wear.
Thank you! I have owned 2 P365's (one purchased in feb, one in july) I ran 1000 rounds with no issues through the first one, then in July Brownells finally fulfilled the back order I forgot about from february. So, I sold the old one and took the new one, got 800 rounds through thus far. No issues yet. Primer drag is similar to that of my Glocks. I did notice that the firing pin spring was different between the 2 gens. So many people out there sounding the alarm because Timmy had 2 lemons! funny that he hasn't done an update video since. People are just drinking the fear kool-aid.
john panoulias Tim’s not the only one who’s had issues with the p365. Your sample size of 2 isn’t going to convince me better than the countless accouts of people having issues with theirs. Just saying. I hope sig gets it together because I want to love this gun. As was stated by OP, it’s ridiculous that sig is relying on customers to perform the bug testing for them.
@@user-vv7fc4sj1r Yes because I am just dying to convince YOU! My world is just incomplete without Juice206's approval... Sig has 100mil+ contract with the army, they don't care about the pennies they scrape up on the civilian market; their reputation is already trash and they know it. They designed the p365 as a backup if they didn't get the contract, which they got, now they are just trying to get the money they spent on designing the p365 back, and THAT'S IT. They aren't trying to compete with Glock or anybody on the civilian market anymore.
@@danielhesse8600 Gotta love all these "White Knights" who feel compelled to defend these isolated incidents with P365's. Aside from my P365, I know 5 or 6 other people in my local community who own P365's and have no major issues with them. Odd that none of these P365's are problematic yet the firearm is somehow considered to be bad because a bunch of anonymous people on web forums "claim" to have problems (along with a few TH-camrs). Making negative comments about a firearm based on anonymous reports and opinions, to quote you, is both disingenuous and asinine. What I find most entertaining is that there are numerous reports online about primer drag with Shields and G43's yet nobody complains about primer drag on them, only on the P365. The issue is well known with many sub-compact striker fired pistols.
Once upon a time I was a hater of this pistol. I spewed the same ignorance of many on comment boards across the gun channel community. I'll admit, the first ones gave me a very R51-Esq manufacturing vibe which fueled my hate. I patiently waited for Sig to work out all the bugs and bought one born on November 18, 2018 and I'm here to tell you that I have never been so in love with a handgun. 351 rounds deep without any malfunctions OF ANY KIND. Am I going to keep my Shield? You bet. Do I trust my G19 more? Absolutely, but if this P365 continues it's flawless streek, those others will become safe queens. It took almost 2 years to get it right, but Sig wins with this pistol.
Reporting that this gun is snappy is understood by most of us. What many will not understand, b/c they’ve never been in a gunfight, is IF you have to use the weapon for self defense you will not notice the recoil and probably not hear a thing.
I believe the p365 is a game changer in the ccw world. Regarding primer drags, Glock 43, S&W Shield and some of the other sub compacts exhibit primer drags. I believe this is a non issue and inherent on small platforms. Springy trigger maybe a break in thing. Broken firing pins was a quality control issue that resulted in the pins be brittle and breakage occurred due to dry firing, Sig has addressed this issue. Some carry guns will never see 500 rounds.
Perfect example of not every gun fits every shooter. I've been keeping my eye on the P365 videos to see if Sig is working out the kinks. I love shooting steel, love to see people demonstrating safety as well. That being said, put your eye pro on Matt. Especially when shooting steel. Very rarely is there splash back, but I've seen it happen several times. Sometimes the shooter gets it, sometimes the range safety officer.
Mine is a sample size of only one, but I have 1500 rounds through my P365 with no problems so far. Some folks are happy shooting just one box of ammo, and others could shoot 5 or 10 thousand rounds and still be sure that the very next round will be the catastrophic failure. I still shoot mine regularly, and I am satisfied enough to carry it daily. If you think it's a trash gun, then don't buy it. At the end of the day, it is up to YOU what you buy, and it is also YOUR call as to when it has been tested to satisfaction, whether that is a with single box of ammo or 10 thousand plus rounds. It's all personal preference.
I think I speak for everyone who is considering purchasing this gun, we would love to see a burn down. With the striker redesign, I believe that the broken striker issue has been resolved and, being cognizant of the trigger return spring protruding into the magwell and reducing its profile, if it needs it (like you did), to prevent it from disconnecting takes care of all the major problems people have been having with it. That said, the best way to know for sure would be to sling a lot of lead down range and see if the design is inherently flawed or if the rolling changes allow it to perform as intended. I know seeing how it fares under the extreme conditions of a burn down would help me make a final opinion of this potentially awesome and very innovative micro!
Can't blame you, for the $ those suckers should be perfect!!! But if you get a chance to try there 1911 style 10mm, you might get a kick out of it, I'd trust my life against a bear with it ;)
It's only the cheaper newer ones that have problems. Funny thing is the designer of this and the 320 is the same guy that ruined kimbers legacy. MIM trigger, sear, hammer, slide lock, trigger bar, and safety. All those are present on $1000+ kimbers and it's easy to see why these break strikers and mag area springs
@@JohnDoe-nf7up Except it is important. So if you can't answer it, shut the hell up. Fking convenient-ass response. "XYZ fact shouldn't matter" whatever.
Having a specific grip that works for that gun is definitely the realm of micro-pistols. Bigger guns don't have that problem since your hands are not crammed into a small space like the micros.
Less than half a percent of firing pins have broke. Sig from what I’ve researched are made of some type of a mettalurgy steel or something like that and it’s supposed to prevent firing pin breakages and has apparently worked in newer gun but not sure about firing pins in old guns
You guys keep saying 12 rounds... The P365 holds 13 rounds. One in the chamber and twelve in the 12 round magazine. This tiny gun holds 13 rounds of 9mm ammo... I went from carrying a Glock 30 (45ACP), for the past 20 years, to the Sig P365. It felt like I went from carrying a brick to, at times, not even realizing that I was even carrying. That's how huge of a difference there is in weight and size. So far, I love this piece and definitely recommend checking it out at your shooting range... Thumbs up on the video and a sub from me... Stay safe... Rico
Ricovette - I could’t have said it better. I too carried a Glock 30s for years and felt the need to carry something easier to conceal during the summer months. I’m a .45 fan but the Sig365 won me over and it’s my first 9mm pistol I’ve owned after 25 years of shooting .45 pistols.
great pistol. have had mine 2months. have shot around 500 rds and not one complaint. giving my XDS 9 mm a rest. it's great also but not as concealable or holds the rounds like the sig.
Well we are 6 months later June 2019. My 365 is dated Feb 2019-5000+ rounds through it. No problems. Sweet shooter, accurate. No spring scratch on magazine problem, no striker issues, no FTEs, no cycling problems. Striker drag is common on most mini/micro/compacts. Shield included. Love this piece.
Glad to read that. Mine has a BOD of 4-16-2019. Have only unboxed and shot ten rounds so far.
No striker drag on my 43
I believe I had striker drag with my kimber solo carry as well.
I have a gen 3 carried it every day have way over 1200 rounds initially when I first got it it would occasionally not hold back on the last round I contacted sig and they asked me what ammunition I was using I told them 115 grain they told me that the 365 was actually meant for 124 grain but it will operate with 115 grain ever since then I use nothing but 124 grain absolutely no problems. As for Tim's broken striker I had absolutely no problem with that but for my own peace of mind I purchased a stainless steel machined striker for only $100 I cannot recommend the P365 enough I carry it with a 12 round magazine absolutely love it . I have no problem recommending the P365 in fact I stake my life on it every day.
mr c thats lame having to use 1 weight ammo, sig p365s are garbage.
Same here, Love my P365, The Only 9mm ammo I run in ANY of my 9mm's is 124 Grain NATO for target (Which is actually +P), For my carry Ammo I only use Corbon 115 +P Hollow points (Both are stout for little 9mm rounds), 0 Malfunctions EVER and has NEVER failed to lock the slide back
I appreciate the fact that eric & chad kept the footage of the "user error " in there. It's good to see nothing hidden and also the potential of "adjusting grip/hold" is something to consider in different guns. Great content! Keep em coming boys!
Being primarily an 1911 guy I am completely unbiased here. I own many firearms from different manufacturers and my 2nd gen Sig p365 is the probably the best deep concealment pistol to me so far. Many, many rounds ( I don't usually count) and not one malfunction. Unlike some I use different tools for different applications.
I am also a consumate 1911 fan, but love my P365 just as much.
I love 1911's for range plinking. Love them. Beautiful and generally reliable guns. Tried and true. I've owned several 1911's, the only one I have currently is a Springfield a1 milspec, that I gutted and rebuilt with Wilson combat interals. Tungsten hammer, full length tungsten guide rod, tungsten sear, new springs, polished her up a bit, and so on. It's a fantastic gun. I have never carried it. Doesn't make much sense to me to carry a gun that hold 7+1, that's heavier, and uses a hammer with an incredibly sensitive trigger. I know it has a safety and blah blah but I don't carry guns with a safety on. Ever. My carry is a sig p320. I love it. It's a very reliable and accurate pistol. It feels great in my hands. 17+1. One of the few pistols that I can comfortably and accurately shoot with either hand. I understand that doesn't matter to most people but it does to me. I like mixing it up and practicing with each hand.
You sound like a practical engineer knows best fit for the job in hand greetings from London best we have is shotgun and getting a license is difficult I’m very jealous 😢
I have a 3rd gen P365 and after 500+ rounds I have had no malfunctions and it’s the best micro 9 I have owned. Very, very accurate gun. Completely pleased with this gun.
How’s it holding up to this day?
lol broken
Still have it? Still pleased?
3rd gen? 365 think it’s only 1 generation
My 365 runs perfectly. I tried other 9MM compacts in this category before I bought mine and the Sig P365 felt best in my hands, shot best, no failures of any kind, and most accurate because of the awesome sights. It also conceals better in my opinion even with just shorts and a t-shirt.
I have friends who love their S&W M&P Shields but this will always be my everyday CCW.
Excellent video!
Yes, my Shield has been great. I think its been five years since I purchased it and thousands of rounds of ammo, all different manufacturers and not one problem.
2500+ rounds thru my early production P365, no failures.
I've got a very early P365. I've now put about 2000 round through it with ZERO issues. No mag scratching, no firing pin drag, nothing. It is 100% the BEST carry gun I've ever owned.
I called Sig Customer service today I asked how many had been sold and how many had come back with issues. Sold 200000 and .250% have came back for multiple reasons from finish scratched sights FP you name it. That’s a low percentage of returns. Now I am interested in how many Glock 43s have been sold and how many returned for service. I own both.
I called Glock today. They won’t say how many have been sold or how many have come back. At least sig has the sack to put the numbers out there. I am working up the ladder for an Anser
This is the crucial thing that people seem to forget. They suppose that Glock early adopters (or any early adopters) had a better time of it. They never did, albeit Sig has not handled the situation gracefully. Sub-par PR, not sub-par QC.
Sig has 3 patents on making a magazine this small with that capacity. You think the other gun manufacturers might pay off some TH-cam channels and media so they can even compete? This is the biggest smear campaign we’ve ever seen in the gun industry.
Lol! And you guys dont think sig would lie about the numbers?? Remember sig doesnt think their shit stinks.
BumSlayerS let me guess, you’re a Glock guy and they’re the only reliable gun in the world?
@@Pepsiaddicto hey youre a Pepsi guy im a coke guy. Glock cz smith and wesson sure. Not sig. At least not yet.
Mine has a born on date of February 6, 2019. Have shot 300+ rounds of assorted 115 ammo without a single issue. Also shot a mag of Horady Critical Defense with no issues. One more range visit like this and I'm making this my EDC.
I live in Atlanta and I’m a Glock guy. However, I have 1400 rounds through mine with no malfunctions. I’ve broken it down, pulled out the striker after every range trip and it is solid. Born date is May 16 2018. I just bought another one three days ago born on December 1st 2018. Once again no malfunctions, no scratched mags , etc. My daughter and my niece shot it as well. No malfunctions and the slide locked back every time, even with my niece that doesn’t shoot often. The pistols are good to go.
I carry mine every day. 13 rounds slimmer and shoots better then a shield or a Glock 43. Mines at around 1500 rounds. No real issues other then me riding the slide catch at first. But honestly the gun is a champ!!!
How is holding up two years later?
@@peekaboo1575 sold it I carry a compact gun realized i shoot much better with and can conceal a compact gun the same
I would love to see many of the TH-cam channels come together to put on a 2d Amendment event. Happy to help.
Black Rambo and RGG Already doing it
I've got around 550 rounds through mine had it around a month. I think it's born on date is October 3rd. I love it! One of favorite handguns I own. And I have a (few)😉😉. Mine does the same primer drag or whatever but doesn't seem to be an issue as of yet. Good video guys and thanks for what you guys do for our community!!!
I was having a lot of the problems Matt had. Slide not locking back (my fault) and failure to go into battery. Sent it back to SIG and they got it back pretty quickly. The back end of the chamber had a more generous chamfer to it and was polished up. I was having FTB at least once a mag straight out of the box. Cleaned and lubricated. I didn't even have to take my offhand out of my pocket to count the FTB in 120ish rounds after getting SIG's preservative off it, but that is still too many. After it came back from SIG, 300 rounds of Blazer brass - 0 failures.
That because your grip was too high bad technique, blaming others for your own shortcomings is immoral
Just picked up a p365, manufactured January of 2022. After about 500 rounds it’s running flawlessly. I’ve put through about 100 assorted hollow points as well with no malfunctioning. Zero primer drag and quite controllable. I may have finally found my new favorite carry option. After trying 4 different micro 9mm the p365 is probably the best fitting, shooting and controlling carry gun I have gotten my hands on.
My 365 is absolutely perfect. 500rds so far not a single issue. Very accurate, comfortable to shoot and concealable.
I have had my P365 since March 2018, no issues, about 500 rounds through it, LOVE IT!!!
My P 365 has 3000 rounds thru it flawlessly! It has primer swipe which is not an issue with a properly manufactured striker. A striker is many times harder than a primer and only is an issue if the hardness on the striker is manufactured incorrectly.
Ammo used: Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ
Frame manufacture date: 11/17
Manufacture Date: 04 Feb 2018
Purchase Date: March 5, 2018
Purchased from: Bass Pro Shops
Model on box: 365-9-BXR Pre-production release (T&E) & Early release had 365-9-BSS
BSS model was Siglight sights - BXR model is X Ray sights same used on Legion Pistols
My P 365 has never been sent to Sig for anything and was purchased over the counter at Bass Pro Shops. In 3000 rounds I had 2 shooter errors Thumb Riding Slide stop which I knew I did.
What is noteable is my pistol had X Ray sights and barrel and slide mill work done in March before the internet reported all the issues and fixes.
I carry it with confidence and would purchase another P 365.
Shooter #3 his riding the slide stop with his thumb. It happens with subcompacts pistols frequently with different hand sizes.
You're assuming this, and you don't know this for a fact. Also riding the slide release would explain the slide not locking back on the last round, it does not explain the pistol repeatedly failing to go into battery.
He’s also riding the slide with his thumb, guaranteed. When you put pressure on the slide with your thumb you can cause FTE’s, failure to return to battery and all sorts of stuff. You can really tell he doesn’t shoot very much.
@@Banshee365 it may be true that riding the slide is contributing to the malfunctions. However, not every pistol react the same way to the same level of pressure being applied to the slide. How much slide pressure is required to cause a malfunction depends on the slide velocity, the recoil spring, and excessive internal friction due to tight tolerances, or something obstructing the movement of the slide. From the number of people experiencing these types of malfunctions with this pistol, it seems to me that it is much more sensitive ti pressure being applied to the slide, then other pistols of that size. I have quite a few pistols, including several small subcompact and even pocket pistols, and I tend have a high grip, and ride the slide a little bit on all of them, yet never experienced these types of malfunctions.
mo hawk: I have over 1,800 rds through my P365 & I’ve had ZERO malfunctions. Every shooter is different as this video proves. Two of the 3 shooters had no problems whatsoever. When shooting these small subcompact pistols I think a modified grip is best. Thumb placement is key to running them smoothly. Obviously the 3rd shooter was doing something different in the video & he even admitted he was riding the slide lock in the video. The P365 has gotten a bad rap but not all the issues are gun related. This video proves my point.
@@glockoholics7512 when you have that high percentage of pistols on the market having failures, and that high percentage of people that have a problem with this pistol, it is not likely that it's just the habits of the shooter that's the problem. As I said it's quite possible that pressure on the slide is contributing to the malfunctions, but given the number of people having these types of issues with the p365 it seems evident that it is more sensitive to that sort of thing than other pistols and its class. Every gun is physically different and I'm glad your example works well for you, but there's clearly an issue with either the design, or Sig's manufacturing process for this pistol.
I got mine early last month. October born date. Put about 500 rounds thru it of steel, brass and aluminum case ammo. No problems so far. Funny thing is that the primer drag is there but noticed that my G17 also has primer drag. Definitely unexpected to see that out of my Glock. Thanks for the vid, I was waiting for this and look forward for other videos on the p365 as I truly love mine.
Thanks for the review, you are the first ones to have a true review of the problems of this gun. None of the many reviews have mentioned the firing pin drag or any other problems w this gun, I bought a SCCY CPX-2 which is almost the same specs and I had problems w/ it as well but the company took care of the problem within a week w/ a new slide and it works as well as your review of the Sig. I have made the same type shots w/ the same accuracy results. I don't feel so bad going w/ the SCCY that the SIG.Thanks for an honest and accurate review. PS love your channel.
Great vid, as usual. Y'all are very fair in your reviews, which is why I keep watching them. FWIW, I love my P365. Well over 1000 rounds through it now, and it's been great. It took me a bit of getting used to, but it fires 100% for me now. Thanks for your work, and merry Christmas to all.
My son had the same issues when he was a little kid with slides not locking back and not going into battery. I adjusted his grip and the problems went away. Turns out he was limp wristing and riding the slide catch. Pretty sure that’s what Matt was doing because when Chad started shooting all those issues went away. I’m buying this gun soon and very excited about it.
When I first started shooting I did the same thing lots of times. I was shooting a glock 19 gen 4. instructor fixed my issue and changed my grip I highly improved after that
7 out of 10 of the P365s I sold when they came out have gone back to Sig for repair. Not a good ratio. If the trigger reset spring issue (spring that drags on mag) hasn't been fixed then it's still no-bueno. We've seen that spring break from fast mag changes and the lip of the back of the mag catching on that spring and breaking it. The result is a gun that only fires when held upside-down. Sig, get your act together. This is the third gun in a row that has major issues (the others being the P320 drop safe issue, and the MCX bolt issue)
Sig only cares about profit and not quality. They use their customer base for Process Improvements.
Q James
Yeah man. You stick with your High Point
Grey Wolf Armory nothing wrong with a “gangster gat” shoot the blickie upside dow
Thank you for mentioning the issues you are seeing. There are so many taking sides with this firearm and are calling people that mention issues out right liars or that they are doing something wrong.
I get that guns are not perfect and they have issues and all that, but issues are still issues regardless.
@@rueridge7597 I bet the High Point is technically more reliable than the 365 lol!!
my wife got her's in July. The first gun SHE ACTUALLY CARRIES... We've put about 700 rnds through it, not one malfunction. We've cleaned it twice. No peening, no malformation of the firing pin, no magazine scratching, or issues with the trigger return... I carry a p938(have for years) and I love it; but next year I plan on purchasing one of these as a second carry option for myself (i honestly thought I'd end up with this one; but she actually, genuinely loves and carries the thing)... Great little gun.
700 rounds is literally nothing
@@Silidons91 No its not "nothing"... most people never even fire 700 rnds in a lifetime... let alone 6mos. The week she got it, we put 200rnds through it of everything from 115gr ball to 147gr Hornady. It ate it all up and spit it out. I get it may not be enough to definitively say it's "battle proven"; but my experience is, in the real world, people, even you Im sure, don't run 700rnds through their carry gun. She did and we trust it. I've put about 2000 rnds through my p938; but thats been over a course of 3yrs. 700 in six months is more than sufficient....
@@boss350z5 it's enough. until it fails. then what.
@@boss350z5 I normally shoot about 400 rounds per range outing...
@@Silidons91 I'm with you on this one.. if I really like a pistol; I might do more than 700 rounds the FIRST time I take to the range. When I go to train or shoot for fun, it's an all day thing and can go anywhere from 500-1000 rounds combined on the lower end. I normally don't shoot less than 350 FMJ 124g 9mm rounds, 150 rounds of HST 147g +p 9mm(carry and HD guns only), 50-100 rounds of .380 for my pocket gun, 250 5.56 rounds for my HD rifle; that's weekly/bi-weekly(I get antsy if I miss a week and still take my carry pistol indoors for 250 rounds if I get a couple hours) 120 birdshot, 50 buckshot, 25-30 slugs in my HD shotgun when outdoors, slugs only indoors. I may skip the shotgun and only take it monthly if inconvenient. Any less than this, and I feel a small decline in my performance...I'd assume the same with other people whether they realize it or not. I'll forego luxuries before I forego practice time, dry firing is NOT enough: buy cheap Tula/Wolf and clean more frequently(after every trip) if it means being able to still shoot. And just because it ran and you kept it on paper in CONTROLLED CONDITIONS doesn't mean it will when everything is fucked and you can't control your body functions 100% Trust that we give you shit because we care, my friend.
I bought one of the early modles. I had problems. I sent it back to Sig. They replaced the barrel, extractor system and some additional springs. It was returned fairly quickly and have had not one problem since.I looks to me that you are using quality ammo, you are seasoned shooters. This is a clear example that this device needs the attention of a Sig professional. It is free shipping both ways. I do not think you want to waste any more time until Sig had corrected the problems that exist. I had the "Voluntary upgrade on my Sig 320. I could not belive the amount of work that Sig performed. I was upon stripping it very visible that some major leauge work was done n it. Best of luck and I hope you allow Sig to make your tool reliable. It is not going to bet better with time. Great video as always.
"My shield does it too". Well you rest your thumb on on the shield slide stop too.
And pretends to milk a dairy cow with his grip 😂
I have one from June with about 3k rounds, no issues. The trigger gets better and the 12 round mags get easier to load. Needs a little more love is all. I carry mine every day.
1900 rounds on my p365, love it and I have to say I trust mine and carry it.
steve lemieux
Thank you I love it too wtf
Keep justifying your dumb purchase. Get a glock and never look back.
Over 2,000 rounds through mine, not one issue. Not a dumb purchase.
@@tseawell90 go try one, I triple dog dare you.
Over 300 rounds, all grains and more than 4 brands...not one issue...sweet and accurate little gun. Extremely well-designed.
Mine has a born on date of February 15th. No modifications. Over 5000 rounds from many different shooters. No failures whatsoever. Shot the first 1000 rounds right out of the box, no cleaning, etc. It's just remarkable, nothing further
“Might be user error” 😂 love you Matt. Good show and an excellent example of why technique and continuous training is something everyone needs. Kinda like driving a manual transmission, takes time.
P365 is a very reliable edc. I’ve just recently purchased my P365 and I love shooting it. I’ve shot over 500 rounds and it’s a pleasure to shoot.
For some reason, my P365 came with three 12 round mags? Love them. The length exactly fits my hand! Someone said their gun held 1 more round (Hellcat) If I need more than 13 rounds I am in a world of hurt from the start. And so is he with 14 rounds!
Interesting. I'm not a hater or fanboy of any firearm manufacturer. I have a P365 and have better than a 1000 rounds through mine. NO PROBLEMS. In fact. I left my P365 in the rod locker of my bass boat during July Alabama heat and humidity by accident for about 2 weeks. The damn thing did have rust on the front and rear sights. And had about 300 rounds through it without a cleaning. Shot about a 100 rounds through for kicks and didn't have a single problem. Yeah. afterward I showed it the love and gave it a full spa day and it looks as good as new. Perhaps I got the golden nugget of the bunch and got lucky. But I refuse to be a hater. I respect the research and development process. What I find very interesting is that US Army is investing mega millions in the P320 (M17) and several countries around the world have placed great faith in the Sig product line. And yep the 320 had some issues as well. And truthfully, I think it was a bad idea for the US Army to reject the M9A3 that would have been a much easier transition for the armories and soldiers over the M17. And that is not a rip on Sig or Beretta. Perhaps, just perhaps Sig did not fully vet the firearm before marketing. But the M16 had a boat load of problems in Viet Nam. But not too many people 50yrs later would say the AR platform was a failure. And Sig has lost and spent a boat load of money honestly trying to rectify the problems. Instead of being haters, be developers. The world would work better that way.
Good point on the M16.. gives some perspective for sure. It is interesting though that a major brand such as Sig would have so many little issues with a new pistol. I guess that is the result of pushing the envelope with what's possible in a subcompact.
Glad to read about your experience. Also Bama and mine has a BOD of 4-16-2019.
Bradley Erickson As a VN vet who was issued an M16 in 1966...Nicely said. Too many folks mistakenly ignore and avoid history, to their and society’s detriment.
Or....the could have just bought the 19X like the should have. However they instead bought a gun with a telephone pole sized grip...god forbid they use the simplest and most robust modern handgun design...sorry for that rant
I have 1.300 trouble-free rounds through my P365 gen2. I did install the stainless steel striker - just in case. Shoots awesome for such a small gun. Very happy with it. Thanks for the video and cheers!
Does the stainless striker still drag on the primers? Like my Kahr P45?
P C yes, but less than the original Sig striker.
Sad you guys shaved down the spring, we want to see it actually work out of the box, not modified.
I want to see a unicorn, too.
Purely done so not to put a tiny scratch in the magazine finish. Didn’t change the function at all.
@@gerrylakeskyline wrong. Even in the video they stated it was so it would break the spring making the gun inoperable
It doesnt do it to the 12rnd mags for some reason...
Hear hear
Waited a long time to get my P365. Just picked one up with factory date of Nov 8th. 200 rounds through it with no issues.
There have been so many rolling changes you probably have a good one. The big one is the change in firing pin design. Keep an eye out for the magazine being marked by the trigger spring.
Mine is a July 1st born on date, and I love it. No issues what so ever.
1000 round through my 365... my favorite gun ever... not a single malfunction.. my first sig
"Accuracy not terrible??" 10 hits in a row, I would say thats excellent!
I swapped the striker with the upgraded Lightning Strike striker (just because I could), and added a Lima365 laser. Absolutely love it and haven't had one single issue in several hundred rounds of various ammo. It happily eats HSTs and literally disappears IWB. Sig definitely has a winner here.
Ok I'm dialed in..... 2 secs later, turns into Ray charles😎
hahahahahaha
Without further ado.............goes into another 80 seconds of ado...
This guy makes NYPD look like a sniper team
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😂😂😂
Your guy in the blue shirt was limp wresting it. I think he is the issues... it’s a solid gun!
I disagree. I watched over and over and the kid's wrists were locked solid. If anything, it was just as they said, riding the slide release lever. That can happen to anybody because of our different physiology. That's why we have so many guns to choose from. None of them work for everybody.
Heck, I think it would be a great idea to bring him more often on all new gun shoots! We don't need every gun review done by old bastards like us that have already been shooting for 30 or 40 years.
He may not be hitting too much but it looks like he knows how to use a firearm.
@@deckert618that would cause the slide to not lock back but not the battery issue. Strange!
My trigger reset spring broke after only five or six rounds. Took the gun apart and unlike everyone else with a spring that's too long. My spring was way too short. I didn't want to deal with Sig customer service so I used music wire and wound my own spring. Literally took me less than a minute. 200 rounds later with no malfunctions.
I hope your kidding. That's crazy irresponsible if your carrying that gun. If your not carrying it good job. MacGyver
@@joshualemaster9328 irresponsible? How is that irresponsible?
@@joshualemaster9328 I've been winding my own springs for 3 or 4 years. This job was Soooo easy I could do it blind folded. It's only 1 coil!
I give it 200 more rounds max before your striker breaks
That is great! If.. Glocks, S&W, Berettas, CZs: Even Canik all needed modification to work. But actually you can pull those guns out of their packaging: And go shoot 10K rounds without an issue. You can get a gun that is better, for less.
I just bought one at the end of July 2020 and had a chance to shoot it this past weekend. I love it, and it shot great. Had 2 boxes of ammo, so I only put 100 rounds thru it but was pleased to see that mine has no primer drag what so ever. It's fun on the range, I have a 15 round clip besides the 2 10s that came with it...they empty quick.
The average customer is not going to be able to shave that spring down. Shoulda left if as it came from the factory guys.
What's so hard about using a file to shave a mm or two?
Ty Judd- internet “experts” are only good with their keyboard.
@@sqwk2559 I'm far from an expert. I dont even claim to be one, but I am an Average Consumer that has a tiny bit of mechanical knowledge & skill. But claiming that the average person cant take a file & file a spring down a hair is asinine at best!
Very good point.
For as much as they charge for this gun, their should be someone inspecting these pistols for stuff like this.
You are the first reviewer to be somewhat critical of the trigger! I completely agree with your comment about "sponginess", but at least it's consistent and you can train around that. I have also experienced the problem of the slide not locking back, and I know it's because of my grip . . . I attribute this problem to the fact that it's so much smaller than my other pistols. The P365 requires a commitment to train with it. GREAT VIDEO!!!! I'm looking forward to seeing your follow-up videos on this gun.
I greatly appreciate the video, however, the so-called “primer swipe” is a non-issue, greatly hyped by people like Tim at MAC. Quite a significant amount of compact handguns have a similar affect.
First 1,000 rounds through mine, so far so good... born on date Jul 14, 2018, no complaints yet.
I have 2500 plus hundred rounds through my 365 without a single issue firing every round. Mine is a second gen and was purchased in May of 2018!
My front sight broke off while firing at around 2000 rounds or so. I called Sig and they sent me another one out and I received it just a few days later and have continued with zero issue.
I love the gun.
FYI- I think it is important to understand the uniqueness of the magazine capacity in relation to its size. Yes it is a double stack however, it is much thinner than a any other double stack made. It’s just a slightly thicker than a glock 43 single stack mag.
My glock 42 mag with the SI extension on it giving it two extra rounds for a total of 8 in the mag is taller than the 365 mag holding 12 rounds. My point is that the Sig365 holds way more rounds than the glock 42,43 or even the 26 and it is smaller than all of them!
As for recoil, in my opinion, it is less snappy than the G43. It’s less angry of a snap and very very manageable. I promise this to be true! I carry it with the Sig 115grain defense ammo and practice with a variety of 115grain ball ammo and it shoots super great. Interesting idea on the porting though and I think I will try doing that to mine!
Did I tell you that this gun is smaller than my Glock42 and holds 12+1 rounds! Pretty fantastical! HA!
Biggest negative in my view is Sig’s lack of addressing the issues with the first gen of the P365 publicly!
They should have made a solid TH-cam video talking about it openly and telling everyone what they were going to do to make the situation right and then kept us up to date as they solved it. That to me would have been superb integrity. Other than that, Sig makes sole of the best firearms out there.
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I still have a gen 1 with a serial number under 500. Only thing i did was send it in for the sight upgrade. About 2,000 rounds through with no issues.
Thanks for the review guys. I’ve had my P365 for 7-months. It’s my daily carry weapon and I hit the range every other week. I have the same striker drag, but I’ve never had the slide fail to lock back. I absolutely love this pistol. Even w/ the 12-round mag it’s still very concealable. I did buy a titanium backup firing pin, but have not had to change out yet. BTW - Matt’s hand seemed high to me.
Can you pocket carry with a 12-round mag?
Bought the P320 last year and the P365 this year. I really like both of them no issues so far. I like the grip better than a glock and easy to take down.
I had problems reassembling but after finding the right video I got it figured out. Mine locked up on reassembly and had to take it back into Cabela’s. They figured it out but their explanation didn’t make sense. Thank God for uTube videos.
Only problem I've had with mine was caused by steel cased ammo. It runs brass and aluminum case just fine. My favorite 'little' gun.
Exactly what I experienced.
I work at a gun shop. We noticed this failure to go into battery on a display model. We got it to stop by working it a bit. We looked at the other 12 we had on hand and this was the only one with this issue. I’ve only seen it on the most recent gen 3s from the factory.
2000+ rounds through mine. 0 issues
3000 through mine no problems. And that's mostly with trash steel case.
@@fattywithafirearm Have not fired steel case yet. Wouldn't expect it to have any issues though.
I just got mine. Born on date is November so I'm sure it's the most current build and I only have 300 rounds through it so far with no issues and amazing accuracy. I'm not seeing any scratching on my magazines, but the primer drag is somewhat concerning.
@@codydavenport8429 Your striker may break if the primer drag is bad. That's another issue the 365s have presented. Keep a close eye on it. If I was you, I'd probably shoot very soft primer ammo only. If and when Sig finally sorts out the striker breakage, hopefully they do a recall rather than forcing you to break it yourself.
Jake Wallace you’re one of the 3 out of 10 that didn’t have issues. Therefore, your 2 cents is worth about that.
I have huge hands and LOVE my p365. It’s all how you grip it.
Y'alls reviews are always informative and nonbiased. Keep up the good work!
Ive owned this gun for 2 months and have 1500 rounds through it(all 1500 have had primer drag). Ive not encountered any issues with its passed 350 rounds. I had the same issue with the gun not going into battery caused by the firing pin assembly sliding the backplate down. But like i said after the first 350 rounds i never had an issue with going into battery, or any other issues at all. Other than the slide not staying open when newer shooters handle the gun i havent been dissapointed in this product and have really been enjoying taking it to the range.
About 350 of the rounds ive shot through the gun have been factory loads other than that the rest have been handloads. Once i encountered the issue with it not going into battery i lightened my handloads and i like to think that may have been the reason it has been fine since. Every time i had the battery issue (which was 3 or 4 times) i was shooting my reloads.
I hope this info is helpful to other shooters out there!
On this topic, half the negative commentators don't even own the gun, The other half own them and haven't had problems, while just a few own them and have had issues. I love mine
Awesome little pistol! P365s made after middle june have been awesome.
My XD9, 45 shield both swiped brass like that, thousands of rounds no problem
Had mine since July, no problems, no fails, shoots everything I use. Good accuracy. Carries way out of sight. Small enough you can put it in your pocket. Never a problem with the Sig company on any of my firearms. P220, P238, P226. P226 Legion 1911, they are great and
always cooperate. Glock lovers are hating it, so you know its a good weapon! Glocks and S&W have striker drag also. Took you long enough to do this review,
"the sights are excellent on this pistol". Yes. Yes they are.
4 years later, top of the line!
Please do a Hi-Point carbine 45 ACP meltdown just for the hell of it in honor of Barry
@2nd Amendment for Canada! Barry was a older member of the channel he passed away a few years ago
Better yet convert a hi-point carbine to 460 rowland then do a meltdown !!
Hells yes!!! I like guns that shoot! It's even better when that gun costs three hundred bucks and I can let bounce around in the back of the old ferd pickem up , slap a mag in and pull the trigger a bunch and it goes bang every time!!!!
I don’t think it’s physically possible for a human being to cycle a highpoint carbine fast enough for long enough to heat up a highpoint to the point of failure. Even JM’s superhuman finngers would cramp up cycling that god awful trigger before he could melt that gun down.
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My P365, 4/16 build date has been flawless. No scratches on the mag. I swapped the firing pin for an aftermarket version just to be sure but didn't have any failures prior to the swap. The new firing pin did seem to reduce the primer drag on mine. But it still remains perfect to this day.
A highly reliable gun that has the advantages of a micro compact but shoots like a compact. I LOVE my 365.
Preston Pope when did you buy P365? did you have any issues with it? what gun did you carry before you got P365? I am looking for some reliable gun I could carry - tried glock 19 it was printing too much on my body so I need something smaller. what do you think about ruger LCP 2 with laser as a pocket gun?
Props on having 3 different shooters test it. Don't typically see any channels do that.
Ive seen 43s drag the striker too... as well as SCCYs...
And m&p shields
And almost all other sub-compacts. It isn't necessarily a bad thing if it is accounted for
The Sigs 365 innards are so compact it’s like a swiss watch. And double stack is unprecedented so like the micros in striker fire or hammer it proves problematic. If everything is in the right place and every part is correctly made it’s a smooth gun that’s flawless.
BOSS 350z It’s the norm with micro compacts. Simple physics
I like these guys. Good natured. Knowledgeable. No stupid loud music etc, just couple of guys shootin and chattin.
Matt's thumb may have been rubbing the side of the slide, causing the slide to not go into battery. On sub-compact pistols, and slowing of a lightweight slide will have this effect.
Still concerned about the firing pin swiping the primers, but reliability seems to work.
Keep us updated as you and Brittany continue to train
I third that
I was going to say the same. He has a high thumb grip which can both slow the slide and can commonly cause you to ride the slide catch. When he moved his thumbs down the shells ejected further and it locked back.
Most definitely. He likes a high grip.
That’s exactly what’s happening. I appreciate his service to our country, but he’s a very novice shooter. Or that gun just isn’t for him.
Yeah, I totally think the same thing. As soon as he adjusted his grip everything worked as it should. I believe he did make sure to note that it was user error. -_o
I had problems with the gun range P365 rental going into battery. After I bought a P365 I will occasionally experience the slide not locking back on the last round. The problem is me. I am having to learn to rest my weak thumb on the accessory slot and not higher on the slide. The real problem is my big hands using a small gun. The P365 is my daily carry, and I love the concealability of the gun. Sig hit a home run.
My P365 is a Gen 1 that's had over 2000 rounds through it without a problem. Does the striker drag on the primers? Yea but then again I've seen the striker drag on my Shield. Personally, while I think the P365 is working its way through growing pains, I think the bigger problem is that there are too many "drama queens" looking to knock competitors to their preferred pistol manufacturer. On the other hand, I think companies like SIG need to get more of these pistols out into the field for detailed and high use testing BEFORE they release them to the public. Better to work out the bugs using someone OTHER than the end user.
Many of the users "knocking sig" love Sig Sauer. They just call it how they see it. To write their criticisms off as "drama queens looking to knock competitors" is disingenuous and asinine. To be clear, the issue with the primer drag and broken strikers is one of engineering, it cannot be completely fixed with rolling updates. The barrel begins to drop while the striker is stil in contact with the primer, putting vertical wear and stress on a part designed to deal with horizontal stress and wear.
Thank you! I have owned 2 P365's (one purchased in feb, one in july) I ran 1000 rounds with no issues through the first one, then in July Brownells finally fulfilled the back order I forgot about from february. So, I sold the old one and took the new one, got 800 rounds through thus far. No issues yet. Primer drag is similar to that of my Glocks. I did notice that the firing pin spring was different between the 2 gens.
So many people out there sounding the alarm because Timmy had 2 lemons! funny that he hasn't done an update video since. People are just drinking the fear kool-aid.
john panoulias Tim’s not the only one who’s had issues with the p365. Your sample size of 2 isn’t going to convince me better than the countless accouts of people having issues with theirs. Just saying. I hope sig gets it together because I want to love this gun. As was stated by OP, it’s ridiculous that sig is relying on customers to perform the bug testing for them.
@@user-vv7fc4sj1r Yes because I am just dying to convince YOU! My world is just incomplete without Juice206's approval... Sig has 100mil+ contract with the army, they don't care about the pennies they scrape up on the civilian market; their reputation is already trash and they know it. They designed the p365 as a backup if they didn't get the contract, which they got, now they are just trying to get the money they spent on designing the p365 back, and THAT'S IT. They aren't trying to compete with Glock or anybody on the civilian market anymore.
@@danielhesse8600 Gotta love all these "White Knights" who feel compelled to defend these isolated incidents with P365's. Aside from my P365, I know 5 or 6 other people in my local community who own P365's and have no major issues with them. Odd that none of these P365's are problematic yet the firearm is somehow considered to be bad because a bunch of anonymous people on web forums "claim" to have problems (along with a few TH-camrs). Making negative comments about a firearm based on anonymous reports and opinions, to quote you, is both disingenuous and asinine. What I find most entertaining is that there are numerous reports online about primer drag with Shields and G43's yet nobody complains about primer drag on them, only on the P365. The issue is well known with many sub-compact striker fired pistols.
Great video guys. With over 1000 rounds through it, I can report that I LOVE my 365 (most recent gen).
Once upon a time I was a hater of this pistol. I spewed the same ignorance of many on comment boards across the gun channel community. I'll admit, the first ones gave me a very R51-Esq manufacturing vibe which fueled my hate. I patiently waited for Sig to work out all the bugs and bought one born on November 18, 2018 and I'm here to tell you that I have never been so in love with a handgun. 351 rounds deep without any malfunctions OF ANY KIND. Am I going to keep my Shield? You bet. Do I trust my G19 more? Absolutely, but if this P365 continues it's flawless streek, those others will become safe queens. It took almost 2 years to get it right, but Sig wins with this pistol.
I have one made 7/31/18. No issues, feeds everything from ball to HST. Great little gun. Also I would be embarrassed to keep saying the word "snappy."
“I would be embarrassed to keep saying the word snappy” 😂😂😂😂 that sentence had me LOL .
Eric: "I CAN COUNT!!"
*proceeds to hand Chad a 12 round mag with 7 rounds in it 🤣 20:45
Reporting that this gun is snappy is understood by most of us. What many will not understand, b/c they’ve never been in a gunfight, is IF you have to use the weapon for self defense you will not notice the recoil and probably not hear a thing.
Not sure what the big issue with the 365 is. I bought mine in June and it's been flawless!
I believe the p365 is a game changer in the ccw world. Regarding primer drags, Glock 43, S&W Shield and some of the other sub compacts exhibit primer drags. I believe this is a non issue and inherent on small platforms. Springy trigger maybe a break in thing. Broken firing pins was a quality control issue that resulted in the pins be brittle and breakage occurred due to dry firing, Sig has addressed this issue. Some carry guns will never see 500 rounds.
Sorry for asking, but game changer how exactly?
My first concealed carry gun was an XDS 45. I'm sure this isn't half that snappy.
I have an early P365. 2000 rounds, just had my first issue with a single failure to eject. No other problems.
Perfect example of not every gun fits every shooter. I've been keeping my eye on the P365 videos to see if Sig is working out the kinks. I love shooting steel, love to see people demonstrating safety as well. That being said, put your eye pro on Matt. Especially when shooting steel. Very rarely is there splash back, but I've seen it happen several times. Sometimes the shooter gets it, sometimes the range safety officer.
Mine is a sample size of only one, but I have 1500 rounds through my P365 with no problems so far. Some folks are happy shooting just one box of ammo, and others could shoot 5 or 10 thousand rounds and still be sure that the very next round will be the catastrophic failure. I still shoot mine regularly, and I am satisfied enough to carry it daily. If you think it's a trash gun, then don't buy it. At the end of the day, it is up to YOU what you buy, and it is also YOUR call as to when it has been tested to satisfaction, whether that is a with single box of ammo or 10 thousand plus rounds. It's all personal preference.
my 365 well over 1000 rounds with no issue best subcompact on the market blows away 43x
How does it "blow it away"?
I think I speak for everyone who is considering purchasing this gun, we would love to see a burn down. With the striker redesign, I believe that the broken striker issue has been resolved and, being cognizant of the trigger return spring protruding into the magwell and reducing its profile, if it needs it (like you did), to prevent it from disconnecting takes care of all the major problems people have been having with it. That said, the best way to know for sure would be to sling a lot of lead down range and see if the design is inherently flawed or if the rolling changes allow it to perform as intended. I know seeing how it fares under the extreme conditions of a burn down would help me make a final opinion of this potentially awesome and very innovative micro!
Would you say its snappy?
5:09 if that wasn't sarcasm
I did a side by side shoot with my Glock 26. Basically no difference in "snappiness".
not really.. my LC9S is a little more snappy than my 365
Considering how small they are, No.
If he's giving it a fair shake.
600 rounds through mine so far, not a hiccup. Recoil really manageable and fits my fairly big hands great. All new guns have teething problems.
Who's this new guy? Hey! I have a great Super hero name for him. Lets call him, "SLIDE RIDER"!
Or how about “The Flincher”?
thats exacly what i was thinking lol
Captain limp wrist
All of the above
He wasn't limp wristing, just like he wasn't wearing safety glasses. He was flinching though. So I'm gonna have to go with "The Flincher"
The English language is not odd, it is your use of the language that is peculiar! Love the review this far!
Had to trim the spring right out of the box. Still not ready for prime time. I've bought my last Sig.
Can't blame you, for the $ those suckers should be perfect!!! But if you get a chance to try there 1911 style 10mm, you might get a kick out of it, I'd trust my life against a bear with it ;)
It's only the cheaper newer ones that have problems. Funny thing is the designer of this and the 320 is the same guy that ruined kimbers legacy.
MIM trigger, sear, hammer, slide lock, trigger bar, and safety. All those are present on $1000+ kimbers and it's easy to see why these break strikers and mag area springs
What is your date of manufacture
@@Baf630x date of manufacture should not be important guns shipping with factory defects is inexcusable especially from a company like Sig.
@@JohnDoe-nf7up Except it is important. So if you can't answer it, shut the hell up. Fking convenient-ass response. "XYZ fact shouldn't matter" whatever.
Having a specific grip that works for that gun is definitely the realm of micro-pistols. Bigger guns don't have that problem since your hands are not crammed into a small space like the micros.
"There's no such thing as free lunch in physics." I believe it was einstein that said that, right?
Less than half a percent of firing pins have broke. Sig from what I’ve researched are made of some type of a mettalurgy steel or something like that and it’s supposed to prevent firing pin breakages and has apparently worked in newer gun but not sure about firing pins in old guns
You guys keep saying 12 rounds... The P365 holds 13 rounds. One in the chamber and twelve in the 12 round magazine. This tiny gun holds 13 rounds of 9mm ammo... I went from carrying a Glock 30 (45ACP), for the past 20 years, to the Sig P365. It felt like I went from carrying a brick to, at times, not even realizing that I was even carrying. That's how huge of a difference there is in weight and size. So far, I love this piece and definitely recommend checking it out at your shooting range... Thumbs up on the video and a sub from me... Stay safe... Rico
Ricovette - I could’t have said it better. I too carried a Glock 30s for years and felt the need to carry something easier to conceal during the summer months. I’m a .45 fan but the Sig365 won me over and it’s my first 9mm pistol I’ve owned after 25 years of shooting .45 pistols.
You stopped carrying the better pistol.
Can you tell us how you are carring it? (eg..ISWB, APX...etc?)
With the extended magazine because with the stock magazines that holds 11..
I would love to see a first 500 round review on all the new releases you guys can get your hands on, love you videos, reviews and information!
I had to adjust the grip with my 365 as well so I wasn't riding the slide release. I really like my 365 (august born on date)
great pistol. have had mine 2months. have shot around 500 rds and not one complaint. giving my XDS 9 mm a rest. it's great also but not as concealable or holds the rounds like the sig.