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I agree with comments, what’s all this strolling about I was a full time firefighter at Waltham abbey for 28yrs we would have had two hose reels between those two buildings in less than a couple of minutes I thought we were supposed to “Save life and diminish damage to property “.
the appliance timings for this job are rather interesting. Has Epping turning up at 12:24 and after Cheshunt, Ongar and 50A1. But of course this video proves otherwise. guessing booking in attendance came late.
Exactly ..even if the driver got the hp hosereel on it at least it would of knocked it down slightly
Why are they using such small hose lines? In the US we would not use anything less than a 1-1/2" line that is preconnected and ready to deploy.
@@kevadams1964 I wondered bthe same. There is a video from London that shows a high pressure jet being put on a fire within a minute of turning up.
@@kevadams1964 the thinner hose is designed for house fires and compartment firefighting, lighter, less water, and it produces water droplets the correct size to control the fire without worsening conditions or steam cooking you. 51mm jet for bigger compartment fires or 70mm for outdoors predominantly. This was just an example of how to loose three houses but getting it wrong
The first appliance only seemed to have a minimum crew. 4 riders, this is the result of all the cuts. You are very limited as how much you can do until further resources arrive. By the way, that fire had already spread to the roof of both houses before they even arrived.
A lot of stations mainly retained stations operate with a crew of four but when an emergency call comes in there is already a PDA Pre Determined Attendance which is usually 2 pumps for a house fire it's only when the first pump arrives on scene that OIC Officer in Charge requests further resources
The firemen were looking up and down. !! Yep it's definitely a fire
Looked like Dads Army, "Mr Mannering, there's a fire"! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shocking ain't it
Omg really, send the oic back to training school .
As a firefighter this is embarrassing to watch
Don't watch
Shocking response
can you do better leave the key board behind and show us how its done
Fantastic piece of footage. Have to agree not just the fire covered but various roles. Probably the best we have seen.
Emergency services training centre.
Great job well done
Footage good! Response CRAP by the OIC and Firefighters - Fire started garage area of one Bungalow and was allowed to spread to engulf three properties due to piss poor firefighting and control by OIC!
Love the way fire fighters walk about slowly like a sunday afternoon 50 years ago firemen would be running out with jets theres no urgency now days.they didnt save this guys house.respect to firefighters but come on lets get a move on.
its not 50 years ago have been sleeping and just woke up
First appliance appears to park so far away from the incident. And why the delay in getting water on.
if your that concerned join the fire service
I agree 100% with your comments, I would have expected 1 hose reel to deployed immediately, but maybe they do it different in Essex. Also noticed Essex are a FRS that doesn't put station names on their Pumps
they used to
As so you don’t know how far it’s come due to frontline cuts
Yes they do......get your facts straight......
west mids dont do it anymore
Great to see footage of the crews preparing and the BA control board and not just entirely focused on the actual fire like many videos you see on you tube
I see what you did there…
really weird from first crew.. no rush and let a shed fire spread to 2 roofs without even making an effort to protect it!
Dont bother with the water boys, hopes and prayers will do, maybe the next pump will bring us some.
Not quite sure what happened there but, looks like it did not go as planned. Poor initial size up of incident and utilization of resources. But what would I know, only been in the service over thirty years.
Like you buddy, did 30 years in the fire service , this was shambolic from the start , very sad and worrying
I'm not a firefighter at all but i remember a suspected chemical incident where i live and my fire service had everything back to normal in about 15-20 minutes (don't know if thats slow, but to me for a chemical incident seems quite quick)
@@fireykev I'm surprised the LFB didn't assist in the incident as waltham abbey is on the outskirts on london
@@fireykev Very sad and worrying indeed: my worst phobia is fire, and to see fires tackled so haphazardly and ineffectively certainly doesn't encourage me to trust any fire crew attending my home or or that of any of my loved ones. Terrifying!
Wasn't expecting it to take out the 3 houses to be honest as they were there quite quick but they weren't very quick at getting water up where it was needed.... It was allowed to spread to the other 2 houses which imo could have had more done to save them.
That's one serious insurance pay out.
Superb video, well done
Can someone explain me how you can not be ready with your BA set on your back when arriving on scene? And what about the Aerial? The roof truss is on fire for a good amount of time but the Aerial is deployed way later although it stands right there ...?
If they worked any slower they would go back in time before the fire started.
Don't worry, no sense of urgency it's only a raging fire.
11:22 That house now has excellent ventilation 😁👍👍🤣🤣
Are they having a Health & Safety meeting, cup of tea maybe. Any chance of getting some water on the fire.
Firemen not really rushing themselves are they!!!
Did the home owners sue the fire service for incompetence?
When will we realise that roofs are designed to keep water out. How about getting in there and putting the fire out.
I'd report every crew member in the first crew might as well had a cuppa while they at it
That was a piss poor effort ! Lets go sight seeing before we get any jets on it ... they should have had one reel on that within seconds of pulling up to knock it back and prevent further spread.
Not their finest hour, failed to spot immediately next door's loft conversion was on fire, slow to deploy hose reels and then a main jet. When the aerial did arrive it took for ever to deploy. Is HFRS mainly retained ?
As has been pointed out by some keen-eyed observer today, Waltham Abbey is actually in Essex. The first Essex pump on-scene was from wholetime Loughton. It seems retained Waltham Abbey must've been busy or unavailable. The second pump was from retained Epping, the third was from over-the-border, presumably wholetime/retained Cheshunt in Hertfordshire. I believe the ALP was from wholetime Colchester, although Chelmsford's and Grays' aerials are closer. Didn't see any more appliances but it's likely that this incident progressed to make-pumps six, eight even. The appearance of the command support officer suggests it was a considerable attendance. Shame they lost three houses to a garage fire though.
Where would we be without all our different hi-viz tabards.
Love the sound of the pump she working very hard.
Unlike the useless firefighters!
GET THE WET STUFF ON THE HOT STUFF.thought I was watching USA footage for a minute
From a USA firefighter I agree.
Im watching this I am only 26 years old but have been a fireman for 30 years......
Leaving plenty of room for the catering truck to get on scene
Here in the US a lot of fire department's stop use hose reels and went too speed lay's in the late 1980's .A lot are starting to use them again
Hose reel is for small stuff and to allow water to be used before main pump connected to a hydrant takes over
The water in the tank would run out in about a minute using a main jet , until a hydrant was clocked in that takes time , H/R is immediate , you put the wet stuff on the hot stuff ASP , which they didn’t 😩😩....
That is sad. Hope they can rebuild.
Plenty of fire wood logs £3 what a load of rubbish not 1 but 3 houses involved we would have been sacked in my brigade for that performance and good evidence for the insurance to make a claim against the fire brigade oh and by the way I’m not an armchair fireman I’m also a 30 year man
I remember that fire one of my mates lives a couple of doors down
When this happened I was in year 6 I’m year 8 now and I was in the primary school next to that
With all the appliances arriving how come 1 crew wasn't using a jet on the big house to damp down and preventing it from going up and the other crew could of being put on fire attack, 3rd crew could be on ba search n rescue??
So anyway while fighting the house fire on this glorious day the most essential piece of equipment was delivered by our very own chief fire officer plus he remembered to also bring the non alcoholic drinks this time because we were rat arsed after the last BBQ we had at a domestic property fire!!!¡,bless him he also brought the sunscreen as well.Two Hours later our stomachs were full and we then tackled what was left of a multi million pound residence, actually it looked rather nice and chic without the roof and the windows blown out and the scorch marks really increased the value of this once premier footballers mansion!!!!!
LOVE THE COMMENTS - MUST HAVE COME FROM AN EXPERIENCED FIREFIGHTER! MY KIND OF FIREFIGHTER!
Never seen such a rubbish attack on a house fire retired many years from the job and we would have made entry into buildings ASAP . What is the point of pouring water on a food that is designed to stop water !!!
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
Needs a Benny hill theme tune dubbed over it 🤣
I didnt see any interior attack un less i missed it. Been in the fire service here in the u.s. for 20 yrs. Not sure what they where doing. Big fire big water.
I don't get what they're doing either ... however one big difference between the US and most of Europe: here departments usually operate at less gpm and more psi ... might as well see an interior attack with the rubber hose reel at other departments
Didn't look like they went in to me
Absolutely appalling initial response from crew, The members of the public and home owners must have been very frustrated watching the incident commander and crew
strolling about like its a Sunday afternoon training exercise. They took far to long to get work,
Totally embarrassing performance,
the initial Oic requires a lot of incident command training and his crew deserve a kick up the arse with a size 10 fire boot.
Appalling firefighting,we would have had hosereel on fire within minute of arrival while others rigging in BA are they full time or retained firefighters?
Regardless if they’re wholetime or retained? Should be getting that water on quicker , but being wholetime or retained should make no difference
Moving away from the criticism of the fire crews, at the start of the video, there is a guy pointing out his house to the person in charge of the first pump, would it not have been better moving the illegally parked car outside his house.
This reminded me of the children series’Fireman Sam’ When the first Jupiter arrived it parked way past the fire? then when station office Steel strolled past the fire he didn’t assist Elvis with the running out of the hose reel,so it got caught on the wall. When the second Jupiter arrived way did they not get a jet run out?
Everybody seems to knock Americas FB but they must be laughing at their stations when they see this shambles.
Did I actually see a white helmet in BA?! 😲
That’s my thoughts exactly 😂 Looked like a station manager too 😲
Surprised he bothered with BA , they usually use there cloaking device and ignore what every one else is doing around them 😁😁
Very slow..whilst the BA Team were fking around one of them or at least the driver could of been putting the wet stuff on that garage...poor procedures been a firefighter for 34 yrs and that was Sh.t
Seen same at a few other fires,too much risk assement/Health & safety crap today
@@stuartandrews4344 exactly right its as if .(..here we go again ) attitude
surely job one shift those cars potential explosion, second get the water through those hoses and get the flames down poor guys house just about destroyed ,sure that could have been prevented ,also lots of walking about kind of lost .
Cars being there isn't an issue to be honest. However you are spot on regarding water application, should have had 2 Hosereels immediately deployed, one on the fire and one to protect the next property.
I wonder why a crew commander had a B:A set on???? A very rare sight unless its a major incident.
I thought it was a WM not a CM...
Are those garden hoses???
No urgency when they arrived and it was mostly a garage on fire and end up losing 3 houses !
Looks like most of the crew were just walking about !!!
Three homes destroyed. Very sad.
What a time it seemed for the firemen to do anything.
Good video report on what happens in case of poor judgement.
How can it be that the two houses struck initially by the garage fire have most of their roof structure still standing, but the houses next to these have no roofs left?
Because all the effort was made to extinguish the attic fires in those primary exposures, but no one thought of getting in the adjacent properties to check for spread of fire via the roof.
Took a while to get water on the Fire .
Agree that the first pump appears to pull up quite some distance from the fire but could there be a good reason for this? Based on the direction of the appliance, could it be that the Crew Manager spotted that fire had already spread to the eaves of the next house and therefore he anticipated that an aerial would be required? Further, the fact that an ALP is on scene fairly early in the incident given that there isn't one stationed anywhere near Waltham Abbey suggests to me that he called for the make up very upon arrival. Furthermore, It's difficult to establish exact timings as the video is clearly edited. However, the 1st crew appear to be dismounting the pump at 00:30 and 1st water goes on at 01:55 so that's less than 1 1/2 mins to start the initial attack. Whilst they could have been quicker, it doesn't seem excessive to me. Finally, by the time the HRFS arrived, the fire had clearly already spread to the roof of the adjoining house so it was always going to suffer significant fire damage.
To allow other pumps to be in the area or if a alp is need wont have to cut water to move pump
Please correct me if I’m wrong...couldn’t an aggressive interior attack in the house to the left (here in the US we would call it ‘exposure B’) have minimized the damage to that house? When it was clear that it was already becoming involved early on in the incident...heavy fire impinging on the exterior wall and interior extension likely, if not inevitable? Instead of just spraying the roof with a garden hose from the street (at 7:50) when the fire is obviously INSIDE the structure and not one drop of water is hitting the fire?
That is not a garden hose. That's one of their attack lines (hose reels). It's not what we are used to here in the US. We expect to drop a line from the hydrant on the way to the fire. Then we expect to drag an 1 3/4" handline for initial attack. In Europe, they have to unroll all of those and connect to the pump. It takes up time and resources. I'd rather give up the bangor ladder they have and carry some 4" street line and some pre-connect on the top of the truck.
@@eyepicyou thanks but I’m aware of that. I was using the term ‘garden hose’ in a derogatory manner to refer to using that booster line on a well involved structure fire in such a manner that it was just washing the roof and not even hitting the fire. It might as well have been a garden hose for all the good it was doing.
@@eyepicyou rolls of hose is not slower at all there was a fire which was opposite my road yesterday so I went down it took 30seconds to start applying water onto the fire when they arrived as far as I’m concerned a lot of the American fire’s I’ve watched takes from 2-5minutes to apply water onto a fire so no it’s not slow comparing to some of the American fire service’s and Canada I’m not wrong either so don’t even challenge I’ve watched plenty of videos from America
@@eyepicyou if your referring to the biggest ladder on that pump that is a 13.5 triple extension ladder extremely usefull
@@zyglo9826 applying water onto the roof cools certain area’s down to minimise further spread of the the fire so in actual fact the fire fighter is using the length of hose usefully
A major small fire raging out of control not enough jets i see
Another fire service CAR PARK ????
When my shed was set light to by some oiks, the fire were great at putting out the fire. Couldn't give a shit afterwards though, I didn't even get a report in the post.
Did the ALP actually do anything?
Should have been hose reel off within seconds of arrival for a quick initial attack and then 2 jets asap afterwards.
That was longer than a year ago
I guess this is the difference between whole time and retained crews. 6 mins into the video, still haven't got the garage open 🤷🏼♂️.
Absolute shambles of a job.
It's hard to watch.
Ah yes. Let's take our sweet time. That exposure hasn't been exposed enough...
This is sad... Literally spraying the shingles of the house while the fire is burning inside... What is the need for air packs if they're standing outside and not going in?
How long were fire crews at the scene for
About 4 days at that rate !!!
@@boss2hogg1 That was just to get set up. The actual firefighting took an additional week🤣🤣🤣
@@peterchmielecki2928 😂😂😂🚒🚒🚒👨🚒👨🚒👨🚒
Nice to see so many YTVFF (TH-cam volunteer firefighters) voicing their opinions as usual
It may surprise you as to how many serving, and retired, firefighters watch these videos. They are only commenting because of their experience and knowledge. We realise that not all incidents work out as expected, and it is hoped that lessons are learned from this, but constructive criticism should not be discouraged.
I'm surprised that the street didn't go up in flames with the time there taking, but you still feel so sad about the poor people that ived in the house.
Loving the comments from the armchair fire service !
I agree. They did their best.
And apparently everyone in the comments has been a firefighter for the last 30 years of their life😂🤣
I served from 1965 to 2011
Many of the people who watch these videos are either still serving in the FRS or are retired, so be respectful
@@briannash1982 you have no idea what you’re talking about, 90% of these people have never served a day in their life
First Fire appliance on scene was to far away from incident and should have been situated down wind from smoke. Incredibly slow getting water on the fire
Wash the roof......nice, you can only put out and internal fire from the inside..........Safety first ...Gutted if it was my gaff .
his is why homes should not be built so close together.
Such a poor effort from the fire service.
Not sure when the video was taken, but looking at the number of officers (white helmets) and the drivers don’t have fire PPE, just a reflective tabard with driver on the back. Could this be a contingecy crew that was covering for striking fire fighters??? Whoever they are, they did there best and certainly saved some property.
One of the Fire Engines is a 67 plate so 2017/18 on
It’s a good job there was a break in the houses, other wise these clowns would have lost the whole street.
Yes the property they saved is two miles away!
Get he water on
Very slow at getting water on it
I think my bathroom shower has got more power than that pathetic hose, my god why did they arrive on scene like they was exhausted
It looked as if the driver had for some reason not engaged the pump or correctly set the engine speed.
Really slow getting water to the houses!! What a slow response!!!!
😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
Can we have some action? Like water on the fire!! Nah, let's just walk about and look good. Oh, hang on, I'll put my BA on! Jeez, what a disgraceful display of "fire fighting" - You want to know how to do it? just watch a couple of Russian (or Dutch) Fire Brigade TH-cam videos - don't bother with the Americans, they're even slower and more pompous.BTW, What was in that Garage that went up so furiously? Well done Paul Wood - great filming.
Where’s Bernie Manning? He’d have sorted this out.
Get a main line on it straight away
This is shocking, but not suprising when you have a watch commander in BA 😂 way to casual and why would you take your BA set off the pump and then put it on off the floor? Even if this was a drill it would be shocking. That poor house owner
Dreadful for the home owners , hope no one was hurt.
It seems those guys are not really in rush….
I’d have hit with a 45 mm jet ,big fire ,big water .plus the next pump was almost there ,did 15 years b t w .
Would of got hose reel off while BA crews were donning.. Can still put water on it while getting information by house owner
@Joey Temenski please see my comment I just posted about maybe an aggressive interior attack on exposure B could have made a difference.
In your own time chaps..... was it an illegal cooking in the garage?
Will his insurance cover the cost of next door?
All that just so they could get a new roof
Should have called fireman sam first
These fire fighters waste lot of time. I want to give one suggestion that like fire brigade use water cannons at airports these fire brigade must have front and back side water cannon so that fire may be extinguish immediately
Handy I can buy logs for 3 quid
What's the use of spraying water onto the roof, the fire is INSIDE the building! Even back in the 19th century James Braidwood said firemen must get INTO a building, not fight a fire from outside. Pity these men don't know that. And a hose reel should be operating within seconds of arriving. Were these guys trained in the USA, where firefighters wandering around in slow motion has become far too common?
Should read Roof
I apologise for a couple of comments I’ve made previously on US firefighters seeming too slow and how quick the UK is.
I'm sorry to say what a messy job and yes I was hole time for 10 years
Obviously retrained part time crew. Surely no full time crews should act in this mannor. Probably what happens when station closures happen!
A complete shambles ,id have had 45mm jets on that right away, no one taking charge, embaressment ,covering jets on other properties !!!😥😥😥
Lack of urgency on arrival, 2 high pressure hosereels nowhere near enough, you could see it had spread to both roofs, second attending crews hadn't even donned BA , not their finest hour.