I like how it focuses mainly (kinda) on Ruby and JAUNE. Because let’s be really honest this was kinda meant to be a Ruby & Jaune chapter. Because I love how both characters actually are the only ones who get to speak of what’s on there minds.
I can actually relate to Jaune here a lot. I've suffered through two instances of this in a way. I had one relative dying of cancer who asked me to get his gun go in the other room and let him kill himself. I couldn't do it. I talked him out of it. He suffered and died naturally weeks later because I didn't want to be burdened with letting him die and dealing with the aftermath. And another time I lost someone due to a stroke. But we had fought the night before after they had drank so much and I ignored them thinking they weren't speaking to me. Had I noticed sooner. Could they have been saved? I don't think so. Or I tell myself that at least. But I have to live with that the rest of my life
So sorry for the pain you've gone through. I found myself connecting with both myself, especially Ruby in her breakdown at the end of the episode. Hoping things get better for you.
F*ck. That was heavy stuff. Are you doing better bro? Just know that neither instance was your fault and you didn't intend for any of that. In the first case regardless of the pain, his pain is over now and he is at peace. In the second case you did not intend for that. No one can say that things would have been different and that's probably what's eating at you. But you cannot control the time at which someone leaves the Earth. If not then, it could've been another day. Use that to live your life and be happy.
Ruby and Jaune needed this. They needed to express the Grief of their Pain and Trauma so that they can then grow and move on with their lives. Calling it now Little is Going to End Up Being Ruby's Emotional Guide instead of a Physical one!
What an amazing episode! I love psychologically complex problems (and characters), but I've seen a lot of people fixating on Ruby yelling at Blake and Yang, calling her homophobic and a hater, and I just...no?!?! I mean, can't expect too much from the RWBY fandom as a whole, but still. She lashed out at EVERYONE. She's traumatized, and while she's worrying about Remnant being destroyed and people being killed, Blake and Yang are over there making out (good for them though), and Jaune is losing his mind over little paper people. I don't think many of us WOULDN'T explode if we were in her shoes.
As much as I want a fight between them, I'd like to see them strike a deal with each other. Given Neo's revenge against Cinder failed because she couldn't compete with Maiden powers, and is targeting Ruby because she's an easier target, working together could yield more results than Ruby just killing Neo or vice versa. After all, Cinder is fused with a Grimm in which silver eyes can effect, and with Neo's newfound abilities they could actually stand a chance against her. Albeit Ruby will have to make a very convincing deal to which I have my own theory on what it will be
Yang stepping in front of Blake like she needs protecting from her 💀 .Ruby, I really feel for her this season. I may even be invested in her now 🎅 I’m excited.
So This was an episode. Love how almost every time Ruby tried to vent, tried to say something, something ELSE got in the way. Always interrupting her and shutting her down and forcing her to bottle it in. Even Jaune, as terrible as his situation is, breaks in as she's trying to explode. Like Jaune, She knows it's all her fault. That's the problem. She's taking it all on herself. Hell, all the way back to the Fall of Beacon. Not being able to save Penny the first time, not being able to convince Torchwick that he's on the wrong side and watching HIM die too, and then getting there, just in time to watch Pyrrha be executed by Cinder. Even when when facing the boot lady in Mantle on their way to to Atlas, trying and failing to get them across initially. ALL of atlas. Side note, Love that Yang jumped to Blake's defense as Ruby exploded. That's the right response, but the "Hey!" was not. like Yang, your sister is having a meltdown and you try and intimidate her into backing down? Smartest sister. But then they've kind of had issues since the tail end of volume 3. When Ruby tried to say she loved yang, and Yang just didn't answer. I know they made up after but still that leaves scars on a girl. A girl who in many ways looks to yang as a surrogate mother. Also spot on between relations to Penny and the people pleasers. Final point, love that at the end she just ran. Just was done and couldn't take her team looking at her like that any more.
I agree with every point u made. It makes me feel angry that people are picking Jaune's side while completely ignoring that everything, every idea every plan, EVERYTHING THAT HAS AT LEAST SAVED SB has been her picking up the pieces she was realistically unable to repair. She was the one who started the journy to find the relics too, she has been kept Jaune standing up since the beginning. Salem is after her, we dont know how many silver eyed warriors are left in the whole of Remnant. The entire world relies on her to do sth. If she stops going, everything falls apart. And that is what is happening
Also maybe my memory is just failing me but did ANYONE ever ask Rwby how Phyrras death made HER feel??? Did anyone ever help her grieve?? Same with Penny.
Right. No one asked how she felt after her friend's death and never noticed the downward spiral. What she said is uncalled for. 'Hurt people hurt people' applies to this situation. Depression does that sometimes when you have no one you can talk to or feel like you can talk to.
@@donnamiller3463 Right?? It is very bad teamwork and they need to work on that more which I hope they will cause otherwise Ruby is gonna go face Salem completely alone or surrender
So also noticed this late. Ruby ran away towards where the Jabberwalkers came from. Next episode we're going to have her encountering Neo. Possibly even Torchwick.
@@erikroman1880 I can see that, oddly enough. She’d probably think the best way to hurt Ruby is to let her emotions fester more, turn her against everyone or somethin’. Either that or just not really caring anymore since Ruby is already suffering.
The tree, death of personality. Resurrection. The cleaning of the soul. For RWBY to be a part of that? With what the writers have done it seems you have to die in this place. Being insane does not mean being dumb.
The fact that Origami stars were able to convey an idea of a rebirth after death, and communicate the risks tonally via the presence of RWBYJ not being so certain, better than one of the main characters of Gen;lock Season 2 will always be hilarious to me.
This is character building I love seeing. It's a human response to 6 previous Volumes of stuff they've been through and it's added up to the boiling point. It's growth and interesting.
This episode: Joan of Arc becomes Sysyphus. Ruby finally snaps. The Ever After Paper Pleasers mirrors Atlas and Penny. Neo + Jabberwalker = Salem + Grimm.
@@SymmbolZS I don't think it'll just be Jaune going to find her, because despite what everyone else has been saying, the rest of her team cares about her, they just couldn't see her cracks and when they did ask if she was alright, she just waved it off by saying she was fine
The blowup was pretty cathartic. While everyone was excited last week, I had a hard time being ok with it because of how tone deaf it was when you have Ruby falling more and more to the abyss and basically being completely ignored. So I like that it's brought up here (upon the other myriads of instances of Ruby being ignored). So I do appreciate that getting brought up. Yeah, Ruby crossed some lines, but what do you expect at this point when she can't deal with it anymore? And Juane makes an excellent foil because his and Ruby's issues are very similar- they're both struggling with the weight of the responsibility on their shoulders that they've utterly failed to carry through on successfully. They've both lost people they care about. They both feel powerless. They've made decisions that ultimately caused more harm than good. Juane was able to cope looking at the afterins, right, wrong, or otherwise. Ruby has had no such ability to do so. So if the theory is that Ruby has reached her breaking point and seeks out the tree to be reborn, would this not actually present one last opportunity for Juane's redemption? At the very least, I think he can relate to Ruby far more than anyone else in the squad right now. Of course, he has to fix himself before anything else happens.
I wonder if Ruby is gonna seek out the blacksmith again next episode, to pick out a new weapon and become someone else, and that the fact that she brought Crescent Rose means she's planning on trading it for the new weapon.
I love this cause we always had Jaune and Ruby back and forth they both deserved to vent cause truly jaune isn’t really mad at ruby cause throughout rubys been quiet they both released their emotions
I feel that the ever after tests and feeds on the deepest desires and doesn't care about the after effects either good or negative. It tested Blake and Yang relationship, gave the role of knight to Jaune and many others to the other citizens. Once the character fulfill or want to change rolls it goes to the tree to get a new purpose. It like the Ever After is like a parasite that make fairy tale situations into realty to then absorbs the character emotions like how Venom feed on Peter Parker/Spiderman negative emotions to survive. So when one story finishes it makes another story alongside new chapters that it got using the tree, first it was Alyx's story but now it is Ruby's story. The Ever After is never finishing cause the cycle just restarts when the story is just about to end. Also everyone here need therapy after everything they went through. They never competed their training in being huntsmen and practically became child soldiers. The adults haven't been trustworthy since the beginning to the teenagers making crazy plans that tends to fail. Seem so many horrible things that happen to them that will have a lasting impact on their minds and are now likely the only ones to beat a ancient being that is Salem. they were never mentally prepared to deal with any of this to begin with. No wonder Ozpin has always been losing to Salem he is the worst statistician given his plans aren't even half bake.
In the eariler volumes Yang was always there for ruby but ever since team rwby reunion Yang barely even talked to her and gotten closer with Blake. She even started to stand against her
Ladies and Gentlemen,Ruby Rose has finally Snapped. I knew that she was gonna be Pissed off at Jaune for killing Penny even though she told him to take her life so Cinder couldn't get the Power.
I think it's less angered directly at Jaune and moreso just driven deeper into despair at the whole situation. Remember, Team RWBY isn't sure if their plan worked at all. None of them went through the final portal to Vacuo, and nobody who DID go through ever came back. As far as Ruby knows, EVERYONE from Atlas is dead, and it's her fault.
I didnt sense anger at jaune or killing penny at all? It was something that HAD to be done so ruby would have to be mad that SHE wasnt good enough to make that option not needed
I’m gonna be honest, I loved everything about this episode because everything that was said needed to be said. I’ve watched it 3 times and liked the pacing, how things were shot. The only change I would make would be to just have the sound of the waves crashing through the credits, no music.
*I'm pretty sure Weiss is the one that understands Ruby the most here💀. She Wanted to be the leader but realised she wouldn't have been able to do what Ruby did and now that she saw this*
Hooooooo BOY! The warning at the beginning says it all and even then I wasn't prepared. Those themes I think have been done well. Something I appreciate about this episode and Volume 8 is nobody (Ruby, Jaune, Yang, and Ren) is treated as being wrong. It's comprehensible where each one of them is coming from. Emotionally charged and not saying nice things, yes, but completely unfounded and unreasonable, no. Each one said things that were true in a sense and if you ask me needed to be voiced. Everything they said has the potential for the individuals of the group as well as the group as a whole be better. It hit me before you said it but not during the episode that the People Pleasers desires to ascend is Penny all over again. Ugh that hurts. The way Weiss is the only one who knows the full context of what Jaune is saying. Her minute expression change when Jaune is vaguely refering to killing Penny is a detail i liked. I really want Weiss to talk to him one on one about it and everything else. Something I find very interesting at least is Weiss, Blake, and Yang haven't needed Ruby to be the shining light of hope or the leader with the answers or strategy as much at least. The three of them for the most part have been getting by with their own effort and abilities. BY's synergy is very good. Weiss has been doing good enough (and better than before) on her own and is still very good support. WBY have been clear headed and determined enough to be getting through the Ever After. Making up for Ruby's current shortcomings. Blake in particular has really stepped up to the current challenge and is thriving the most out of each of them. She's a helpful source of knowledge of the Ever After and has been very open minded in adapting to the world...that has got to do with her experience as a Faunus and member of the White Fang...that's saddening but makes a lot of sense. After this each of them Blake in particular are able to help Ruby shoulder some of the responsibility as leader. As much of a blow to her self esteem it may be I think it's needed for everyone's sake and I hope is the direction they go. 😳 this is a lot longer than I thought it would be. Your video(s) give me a lot to think about. So thank you. 😶🌫️
Eh, the one point of disagreement I have is the assertion that Ren's blowup wasn't treated as being wrong- out-of-universe among the fans, we all know he was justified and understand where he's coming from, but Jaune and Yang? Their reaction to his blowup was to act like Ren was the one being unreasonable. Which, to be fair, is part of what led to this blowup by Ruby- Yang's comment earlier this season about "hey, don't do that, Ironwood thought like that" means that she's still rejecting the idea that Ironwood might have had a point- he wasn't completely right, no, but can RWBY be said to have been completely right when their choice got BOTH Mantle and Atlas destroyed, and the entirety of the Atlas Military killed? Yang and the others still don't accept that just because somebody was aligned against them or arguing with them doesn't mean that person is completely wrong- and Ruby and Jaune, who have both been reflecting as they mentally spiral, are no longer able to take that kind of intellectual ignorance.
I was kinda shocked that jaune didnt try to attempt suicide after losing so much again and was completely expecting that from the warning. I think that's completely reasonable considering the situation he has been in for years and what's going on
@@cheesypower3282 The story itself or the writers didn't portray Ren as completely unjustified and unreasonable because that was how they wanted Ren to be viewed (I think). His main points being 1. we're not ready for this and where we are proves that. 2. not trying to corroborate Ironwood, another enemy of Salem with a lot of resources, and sticking with our current plan (our plans don't have a good track record right now) is going to get people killed. Yang didn't, and possibly still doesn't, understand where Ren was coming from. Jaune I think was more understanding. In the middle of the tundra he was trying to get the three of them moving not necessarily denouncing any of his points. He acknowledged Ren's belief that they shouldn't be huntsmen and said we still need to do something (and not freeze to death while arguing). When they were out of immediate danger he reached out to Ren with his own experience with inadequacy and what helped him.
Now, I can see how the girls have been trying to help Ruby in their own ways. I've said such before. But their methods aren't the best and they aren't noticed by Ruby or she doesn't feel like they help. All of them noticed at some point or another and all were trying in their own ways. Some direct tries were seen by all as being brushed aside or rebuffed. Some attempts at helping weren't directly said to be doing so and the team might not have even realized they were. Even if these weren't the right steps. But you can't always see the right steps without outside perspective. Yang trying to help things a few times with comedy bits and 'I'll just punch it down' has probably been Yang's method of helping sad Ruby for most of their lives. She doesn't know any other way. Blake trying (and largely succeeding) to pick up the leadership mantle probably comes from lessons she's seen over her life. Its a 'if I'm handling this part, they can work through it and things will go back to good.' move that makes a fair amount of sense for her to know given her past. Now, as for Weiss, we have the person with a fair amount of her own recent trauma who learned the lesson of how to deal with it pretty badly. Weiss has 'there must be order and control' and she's trying to exert that around and the world is fighting back. If you go by 'order and control lead to resolving the issues or making them go away' then you can see how she's had a problem reaching Ruby. Everything seems to push back to letting her make that safe zone to where she can reach out. Someone wanting to just talk it through directly or just be there with her (yes, Weiss even tried this but didn't phrase it enough to get through) is what Ruby wanted. Someone to pick her up. And when you're in a bad head space, you see the most negative aspects of the situation. Blake is taking her role and her sister away. Yang is leaving her behind (again). Jaune hasn't listened to these paper people like a true friend and respected their wishes and even forced his world view on them and named them after people from his past. Yes, it was a needed sanity grip for him but from someone who has had a few hours encounter with them, it does come off as a hallow friendship at best. Side note, I view the ascension bit as a butterfly life cycle with their time being reforged being in a cacoon state. As for Jaune, I think we can say now we know why the clocks with 2 11s on them. He's been holding the village at 11 for ages. I can see why he's in that state. He can't really talk to natives about what he did to Penny. They wouldn't get it or be 'its a good thing so be happy'. He couldn't lay that weight on kids like Lewis and Alex and as 'failure' kept piling up, he was going to try to save who he could, where he could. Even if he shouldn't. Mostly as he fears he'll loose what little sanity he kept.
Good, we finally got everything out. I'm more surprised it took Ruby this long to take off given her current depression. Had originally thought she'd just sneak away in the middle of the night or through the chaos of a battle. I have a feeling deep down Jaune already knows what he needs to do/accept. Least that's the impression I got from what he said after yelling at Ruby. He's aware of his problems. Weiss, Blake and Yang being left there hopefully they can help him through it. Ruby's so far gone at this point it'll take a lot of help to bring her out of it. It can't just be hand waved away.
I really hope that Weiss is the one that talks to her about her troubles. Not only as her partner but as someone that’s also gone through her own dark times. Or that, if the tree does “reset” people then I hope Weiss is the one that talks her out of going through it cause she doesn’t want to lose the Ruby she knows
@@falconeshielduhh Jaune hasn't really shown any feeling toward Weiss he actually seems to not care at all. No reaction when she complimented him, he showed annoyance with her, he didn't care when she fell in that pit, he jumped over her in this episode and almost stepped on her
This chapter is phenomenal. I don't know if it's was intentional but there were elements of Don Quixote with Jaune trying too hard to be the hero regardless of what the paper pleasers desired. I definitely felt giving Jaune a lance was a missed opportunity as it's a more fitting weapon for a knight on jackelope-back.
I think its fair for Ruby to say that as she wasnt afforded the opportunity to work things through. Like I was annoyed that Jaune’s breaking point took center stage when Ruby is clearly and has been having a breakdown. Ruby ,wasnt given that time even back in the beginning, to aptly deal with things. I think next episode is when we truly will see Ruby snap. I really do believe that if Atlas falling was Ruby’s fault, then everyone who followed her should share the blame. Especially Oz for not bothering to come back until his vessel was in life threatening danger.
True I feel Rubys breakdown will be seen as less important as Jeeans mostly because the community seems to hate Ruby to the point where she’s damned is she does something damned if she doesn’t. I feel ruby could’ve clapped back at Jeann calling him selfish for forcing the people to stay. Or how she thinks no one cares about her besides how she can help fix their problems.
I really hope in the next episode we have the rest of Team Rwby Splitting up, yang and Blake go looking for ruby and wiess stays and comfort Jaune in his time of need and we finally get that talk about panny.
@@falconeshieldboth Jaune and Ruby both have there own issues to work out and based on that conversation I don't think they want to talk to one another.
It’s interesting that a lot of people have a problem with how Yang acted in the scene and I’m sitting here thinking this is the most realistic confrontation they’ve ever had. I can only speak from my experience but in an argument, it’s really hard for the older sister to be understanding and comforting to her younger sister when they feel like the younger one is being childish and rude (which I don’t think Ruby is but I can see how it can come off that way). I think the getting in front of Blake thing and the “Hey!” was the most frustratingly, big sister thing she did. It’s hard to be rational and calm when you’re in a heated discussion. In hindsight, it’s easy to think of the right thing to do or say but it’s different when it’s in the moment. That’s the vibe I get from not only Yang but everyone in that scene.
I was really blown away by Ruby's performance this episode it definitely shook me to he core being someone who winds up having so much weight on my shoulders carrying others around me. It was hard to keep my composure watching this I loved seeing this side of her. I hope we get an incredible resolution or ascension to this matter.
Quite the episode indeed! The universe simply hates Jaune. We were told that these were the same people that saved him after he had been poisoned by Alyx. Of course, he would do everything in his power to keep them safe. Unfortunately for him, they all came to want to leave long, long ago. But he couldn't have that! Not when they were only thing in this messed up world that he could actually help. Not when he could finally be of some use to someone. So he became stuck in this cycle. As for Ruby, she had finally played her part long enough. The song says it all where her mental state is right now. "You don't need me anymore. You don't see me anymore", with the last line recognizing what she is, to herself. A "trapdoor", when people get too close to her, they fall. Either falling to their death (in the case of Summer, Pyrrha, and Penny), mentally (Jaune and Ironwood), or literally falling into this twisted tale. You are right that guilt is playing on both of their conscience, tremendously and their brushup was necessary. Ruby cracked and what lay behind the mask is an embittered young lady who is caught up inside her own head, full of guilt, resentment towards what fate threw at her, and a feeling of isolation from her dearest friends and sister.
I think having the team talk about Ruby while she’s not there would be a good chapter for the 1st half then the 2nd half will follow Ruby and Little, she’ll meet the blacksmith and “change”, like in the intro/trailer
Something to consider on Jaune not allowing the Paper Pleasers to 'Move On'. Its a direct parallel to Jaune allowing, even HELPING Penny to die. Yes that was her choice but he was the one who had to do it, and that weighs on him even 10-20+ years later.
I'm kinda annoyed at how Ruby's teammates were oblivious. I know they all have their own problems, but still, they didn't pay enough attention to her. :(
@@lightdarksoul2097 Your right, people do bounce back, but as the creator of this video proclaimed, “check on your loved ones”. Yang is not very good on that front, so she needs to work on that.
I take Yang standing in front of Blake, not that she thinks Ruby is gonna beat her up but that she is trying to take Ruby’s focus because she knows Blake’s history with Adam and this could definitely set her off
@@bmg191 well...can you blame them? Yang, instead of being worried for Ruby...decides to stand in front of blake defensively like she was gonna square up with Ruby and get mad at her...despite Ruby dealing with alot.
@@thedimensionmaker4293 yes I can cause all that subreddit is a circle jerk about how much they hate the show like the tiniest thing sets them off. I know one thing if my sibling was yell at my partner I would step in front of them so my sibling would direct it at me. Also WBY don't know what's going on with Ruby cause everytime they ask they get interrupted by something also when yang says "hey" I believe she was going to say "hey what's wrong" but Ruby cut her off
Yang lost her entire childhood taking care of Ruby and every time this volume she’s tried they’ve either gotten sidetracked by the ever after or Ruby pivoted away. She can’t just confront her trauma away if Ruby is hiding it
Jaune has to learn how to let go of trying to stop people he cares about from making their own choices. And it will be very.very. hard. But it has to be done.
Looking back at the climax of the episode, this was hurtful, to Jaune, to Yang and Blake. But it wasn't false, and they aren't there for here when she was. And for the Jaune's arguments, they were wrong, they all agreed to this plan, he himself took them to the village everything is shared responsibility and blaming her for it is wrong. Ruby on the other hand didn't blame anyone, she expressed her feelings however wrong the choice of words were
I see a lot of people putting blame on WBY for not being there for Ruby. The thing is, you can't be there for people if you don't know they need it. It may seem obvious to us, but we're the audience. The story, all stories, are designed to tell us things the characters aren't necessarily there to know. And Ruby clearly feels the same way a lot of you do, like no one cares how she feels. But to those who care about Ruby the most, this probably seems like it came out of nowhere. Because Ruby has always acted like she knew what to do and has been the beacon of hope everybody needed. But she's suffered too many devastating hits in close succession. Every so-often she cracked a little bit, and then bottled it all up again. In the end this was inevitable. But it was also necessary because now she can grow and move past this, so that something like this never happens again. In the end I would say that none of our boys and girls are responsible for this. Only the adversaries who have always apposed them. People like Neo, Cinder, and especially Salem.
honestly, i can see wiess blaming herself a lot in the next episode. i mean, wiess is her partner and didn't notice what she was going through. something that i hope they do is that wiess is the one who is actively looking for her and when she finds her helps bring her back
@@jkranites Weiss isn't Yang's sister either. And yet she really helped Yang when she needed it. Therapist Weiss really dropped the ball this volume, she keeps losing her cool and ignoring her suffering partner. And when Salem made Ruby collapse into a crying heap, Weiss just stood there stunned.
The rest of team RWBY were so thick this whole season so far for not realising the mental trauma Ruby is going through all along, and were surprised when she exploded in front of them like that. They deserved it to be honest (to get yelled at).
Im a little mad at yang for not trying to calm her sister down I mean yeah you and Blake but that your sister and she needed some support IDK yang in that situation mad me a little mad
@light darksoul even the attempt to calm her down would have shown a little more care that her sister someone who should know her the best considering how long they were together for
Ooof... this was a rough one. I have a feeling either episode 8 or 9, Ruby is going to wind up at The Tree without even realizing it. Or The Curious Cat will find her and bring her there. But, yeah... we are running low on episode count, here. I guess I'm just sort of confused as to what purpose Neo serves in this volume. We've seen the part of the opening credits with her sitting, looking like a boss, with a rogues gallery standing behind her, still cloaked in shadow and still yet to be seen in the show, 7 episodes deep. Furthermore, if this isn't something that gets explored more this volume, does that mean we spend another volume in The Ever After? And if not and everyone is leaving at the end, does this plot point carry forward back to Remnant? Does she keep her newfound power even after returning? I'm trying to figure out how everything is laid out because it just doesn't seem like there is enough time left to really give what remaining questions there are the amount of care and attention that they've put into the rest of the volume. If we're back in Remnant by the end, that kinda scares me with what's left on the table.
This whole Neo going after Ruby is based on the fact that Neo thinks Ruby, a one year student, had the skill to beat Roman in a one on one fight, right? What I want to know is how does Arc know Neo hates her and wants to kill her. That finger bang looked like it was for the whole team, not Ruby only. But like Arc knowing Raven is Yangs mom it was most likely done off screen. How in all I know does rwby know Atlas fell? They were evacuating, right? On the bridge? Right? No one saw atlas fall. But Plot……….Right? Ruby learning about Arc killing Penny? I feel that will be dragged out to V10 maybe V11. It was implied Neo killed the Jabberwocky. Why did the Jabberwocky not run? Why did it let Neo kill it? For plot? It ran from rwby. Also Neo could take all of rwby and arc by herself, with these clones she can capture rwby. Just another op toon acting dumber then dumb for plot.
I liked how Ruby said "shut up" because it's just true, and Ruby can't hear "everything will be better" anymore. The rest of the team are assholes too, none of them realize how much Ruby is suffering. Especially hers Sister doesn't give a damn how Ruby feels Jaune is blaming someone for some shit again what's Ruby's fault if Neo hates her?
Jaune and Ruby both needed to vent their frustrations but if anything Jaunes is way more warranted. Jaune is also a leader of a team that actually lost someone and does not even have his other friends right now. Hes not born with overpowered semblance or special god eyes he was just a normal dude who had aspirations. Hes lost just as much as rwby if not more now because he had an attachment to an entire village of "people" that all just died in front of him after his friends who finally showed up but ended up hating on him for what he has been doing to stay sane.
Oh I agree, about Yang. Now that we can finally move past the romantic subplot in the story. Yang really needs reflect on how she’s treated her sister. Because Yangs obsession with Blake has damaged her relationship with her sister. And ultimately both sisters need to sit down and talk this out.
@@Jinto021I mean it was on the rocks since Ruby abandoned Yang when she ran away in season 4 not to mention that Ruby disagreed with Yang on how to deal with Oz and the relic
@@Jinto021 In volume 9 Yang asked Ruby 2 or 3 times if she is okay. Every time Ruby brushed it off (also when Weiss tried to talk about Penny) Even when the Blacksmith talked about her heavy burden, she said "I'm fine, I can handle it" You can't force someone to talk about their feelings. Ruby, has this idea, that a leader has to be strong all the time.
@@sqxbarto9229 What I am saying is that there was never a moment where she pulled Ruby aside, just the two of them, for a “just checking in moment.” Had that occurred the blow up in this episode might not have happened. The conversation could be “I helped raise you, so I can tell that something is wrong, please talk to me”. We could have that + the romance. But well….
Loved the analysis. Once ruby and team get through this tiff, I wanna see ruby pop off in combat again. I remember watching the red trailer, now seeing ruby not being able to fight...poor girl
Ok It may sound crazy but I see Paper Pleasers fate as beacon of hope. Think about it Jaune was way stronger and clever than them by their own words and did not allow them to ascend no matter what they trained to do. Because of his trauma he enforced his worldview on them not caring about them. He was their Salem. He probably foiled thousands attempts to ascend but Paper Pleasers never surrender and finally won over adversary that by any margin should be unbeatable for them.
What I don't get, they did the same things every day at the same time, with the same results. Just with a small change, they should have succeeded a long time ago.
@@sqxbarto9229 Remember the first episode where Ruby was in a loop. Or when Weiss was in a later episode. Other then rwby, Jaune and Neo, they are local in this world where you ascent after you fullfilled your purpose. That they do the same things every day at the same time indicates that they don't even fully remember the last day.
I don't think we will have them go strait to vacuo next season I think vale back to were it started. there may not be a hole lot of time to cover all of it but get the ball rolling for ruby. think they may have other things that may be more important to help them in the future on remnant only can be found here. mabey a potion?
So, I have a theory that might be interesting and possibly unlikely. I think that in the next chapter, there may be a possibility for Ruby and Neo to team up, even if for a short minute. Even with their hatred and grudge, Neo is smart. She can easily see how much Ruby is snapping and can pray on that. She may even offer a deal of getting to the tree (Idk why I have a feeling them working together to find the tree will be faster, with or without the cat) and then turning on her in those exact moments. I don’t think Neo will ever be a good person, or good character (then again, I thought Emerald wouldn’t leave Cinder) but I do think she’s manipulative enough, but Ruby might be prepared for that subconsciously because she knows Neo can and will hold the grudge.
I really hope this isn't Neo's final chapter she getting stronger and that mean the last episode might hurt and she my favorite character 😅and rwby could have been more aggressive she been through a lot for her age if I was in her shoes I would have been cracked as soon as I would have heard about penny and not only that she watched her other friend pass right in front her eyes that's some hard stuff.
Yeah well he deserved too. Ruby mocked Jaune and made him feel horrible. Hell, if I was Jaune I would’ve snapped at her plus she didn’t have to do that
@@KingMufasa_8 It’s because Jaune has been stealing the spotlight from Ruby for his own issues throughout the entire show. And even now when Ruby has snapped from her problems, Jaune is still going to butt in and make it all about him. He was being selfish about protecting these make-believe friends that WANT to go, and he needed to be called out on it. Forget about PTSD and and years he spent here, HES A SIDE CHARACTER.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED rwby is and will always be in its best form when there’s tension and not this happy go lucky ass walk in the park which is why season 3 will always be the best ALSO finally a character being an actually person
she finally snapped. Even jaune snapped. If this arc has shown anything is that both jaune and Ruby need to be repaired, revived or just becoming stronger better people. If there is anything CRWBY loves to do, is ruin Positive Character development and throw characters into Despair. because of that I have lost the belief that they will bounce back from that. And now I just pray to be wrong and see Ruby and Jaune overcoming the guilt of failure and see there is a deeper meaning in what they Have done and not what they failed to do. Rubys rant about Yang though was justified the most, she has been extrodinarly selfish this arc. She is suppsoe to be the sister, and yet she cannot even see her own sister breaking. despair in character is ONLY good, if the writers have a plan to overcome it. So far I cannot see that. Maybe thats why I am not enjoying this arc.
Kind of messed up how Jaune comes to this village, claims it as his, gives them new names and interferes with their religious belief so much that they start trying to kill themselves.
Jaune was rescued by the village after Alyx poisoned him. The people there were there to beautify and assist, he became attached to his saviors and wanted to help them in return, attaching names to them that reminded him of home.
That's not exactly what happened? They're literally people pleasers they saved his life so he wants to protect them after losing so much. Plus the religion is more like a cult that jaune believes he knows the truth of
@@cyrus9424 Their name (and in this realm, their purpose) is Pleasers. So in a weird way, they help him to feel being a hero, by creating these scenarios. It's a messed up toxic thing.
All the people complaining about the yang protecting Blake scene obviously don't see the real reason she did that, it's not all about oh ruby is gonna hit Blake no she was just trying to get ruby to let her frustrations out on her instead of Blake because yang can actually take what ruby can dish out they are sisters (and yang raised ruby basically so I honestly think ruby sees her as a surrogate mom she literally says earlier in this vol you must have forgot who raised me she was referring to yang there, because let's be fair as much as I love tai it sounds like he wasn't as involved and qrow was somewhat there, raven was gone and so was summer that only leaves yang and ruby to help each other grow and Learn life together until now since their paths are slightly different now) and I know this isn't the first fight they have had with each other, Also not to mention both Blake and Weiss are abuse victims they don't do well with people yelling at them. I think they did this episode excellently. every single vol something has happened to jaune and ruby because they are the leaders and they bottle up their baggage because well they told each other in vol 1 that their teammates came first and themselves second those two chatted about this, then they took that to heart up till now until they just don't know what to do anymore. Both jaune and ruby needed to vent this stuff and just couldn't, do I think her team should have been more attentive and try to console her even if just alittle? absolutely, they tried a little and I know ruby wasn't really talking at first but people like ruby take time to get them to talk if they do, it's just hard because they feel like they are a burden just by speaking about their own problems so this was coming sadly both her and jaune are having a hard time settling how they are feeling because so much else was happening and everytime at least when ruby was kind of ready to talk she tried to say something, and then something else interrupted her and she just couldn't take it anymore. I do hope ruby and jaune can at least mend a little bit after this, jaune and ruby were the first friends in the show, they helped pick each other up for awhile up until now and seeing them like this is just painful to watch. I can understand every one of their situations and I'm interested to see what happens from here. There is so much I would love to put into words about this world and it's characters if I could they just feel so relatable to me, and somewhat the people around me as well.
Their plan was absolutely stupid and everyone else around her are a bunch of fools. You never rely on someone with the least amount of experience. Imagine trusting Falcon over Captain America in terms of strategy while he's shown having far less experience at all times.
They turned their back on the smart guy with the MOST experience and drove him away for 2 volumes. Then the guy after him in terms of experience fell into destructive alcoholism. At the farm, Ruby was the only one with the will to live and fight against the apathy.
@@quincyconnors9391 The "smart guy's" plan in Haven was to "wait and train", while they all walked into a death trap that they only managed to survive through a miracle in the first place.
@HighPriestFuneral We all agree that Volume 5 was the worst one of RWBY. The good guys weren't thinking well, the bad guys weren't thinking well, the good guys wasted tons of time (episodes) doing nothing, and their plans were all bad.
team rwby has been through the same shit.. Yet Ruby is a bit of an ego, thinking she the "main character" who isnt supposed to lose. then there's Jaune, clearly He's had it the worst. similar to OZ the fact that they arent suicidal after everything is amazing. then theres ruby, still having "Main character syndrome" moment
I like how it focuses mainly (kinda) on Ruby and JAUNE. Because let’s be really honest this was kinda meant to be a Ruby & Jaune chapter. Because I love how both characters actually are the only ones who get to speak of what’s on there minds.
I can actually relate to Jaune here a lot. I've suffered through two instances of this in a way. I had one relative dying of cancer who asked me to get his gun go in the other room and let him kill himself. I couldn't do it. I talked him out of it. He suffered and died naturally weeks later because I didn't want to be burdened with letting him die and dealing with the aftermath. And another time I lost someone due to a stroke. But we had fought the night before after they had drank so much and I ignored them thinking they weren't speaking to me. Had I noticed sooner. Could they have been saved? I don't think so. Or I tell myself that at least. But I have to live with that the rest of my life
So sorry for your loss🙁
Sorry for your loss I’ve been wanting to terminate myself before I’m getting better but I still have those thoughts some times
Please seek therapy, these burdens arent good to bear alone
So sorry for the pain you've gone through. I found myself connecting with both myself, especially Ruby in her breakdown at the end of the episode. Hoping things get better for you.
F*ck. That was heavy stuff. Are you doing better bro? Just know that neither instance was your fault and you didn't intend for any of that. In the first case regardless of the pain, his pain is over now and he is at peace. In the second case you did not intend for that. No one can say that things would have been different and that's probably what's eating at you. But you cannot control the time at which someone leaves the Earth. If not then, it could've been another day.
Use that to live your life and be happy.
Ruby and Jaune needed this. They needed to express the Grief of their Pain and Trauma so that they can then grow and move on with their lives.
Calling it now Little is Going to End Up Being Ruby's Emotional Guide instead of a Physical one!
What an amazing episode! I love psychologically complex problems (and characters), but I've seen a lot of people fixating on Ruby yelling at Blake and Yang, calling her homophobic and a hater, and I just...no?!?! I mean, can't expect too much from the RWBY fandom as a whole, but still. She lashed out at EVERYONE. She's traumatized, and while she's worrying about Remnant being destroyed and people being killed, Blake and Yang are over there making out (good for them though), and Jaune is losing his mind over little paper people. I don't think many of us WOULDN'T explode if we were in her shoes.
Since ruby is alone now I feel like she will encounter with neo
As much as I want a fight between them, I'd like to see them strike a deal with each other. Given Neo's revenge against Cinder failed because she couldn't compete with Maiden powers, and is targeting Ruby because she's an easier target, working together could yield more results than Ruby just killing Neo or vice versa. After all, Cinder is fused with a Grimm in which silver eyes can effect, and with Neo's newfound abilities they could actually stand a chance against her.
Albeit Ruby will have to make a very convincing deal to which I have my own theory on what it will be
She better
Yang stepping in front of Blake like she needs protecting from her 💀 .Ruby, I really feel for her this season. I may even be invested in her now 🎅 I’m excited.
😂
Yeah isn't blake a ninja with a gun sword
@@erikroman1880 sometimes I forget that’s supposed to be her gimmick I can’t even lie to you.
Its baffling that she was against her sister for being depressed
Yang is literally the worst character in the show
So This was an episode. Love how almost every time Ruby tried to vent, tried to say something, something ELSE got in the way. Always interrupting her and shutting her down and forcing her to bottle it in.
Even Jaune, as terrible as his situation is, breaks in as she's trying to explode.
Like Jaune, She knows it's all her fault. That's the problem. She's taking it all on herself. Hell, all the way back to the Fall of Beacon. Not being able to save Penny the first time, not being able to convince Torchwick that he's on the wrong side and watching HIM die too, and then getting there, just in time to watch Pyrrha be executed by Cinder. Even when when facing the boot lady in Mantle on their way to to Atlas, trying and failing to get them across initially. ALL of atlas.
Side note, Love that Yang jumped to Blake's defense as Ruby exploded. That's the right response, but the "Hey!" was not. like Yang, your sister is having a meltdown and you try and intimidate her into backing down? Smartest sister. But then they've kind of had issues since the tail end of volume 3. When Ruby tried to say she loved yang, and Yang just didn't answer. I know they made up after but still that leaves scars on a girl. A girl who in many ways looks to yang as a surrogate mother.
Also spot on between relations to Penny and the people pleasers.
Final point, love that at the end she just ran. Just was done and couldn't take her team looking at her like that any more.
I agree with every point u made. It makes me feel angry that people are picking Jaune's side while completely ignoring that everything, every idea every plan, EVERYTHING THAT HAS AT LEAST SAVED SB has been her picking up the pieces she was realistically unable to repair. She was the one who started the journy to find the relics too, she has been kept Jaune standing up since the beginning. Salem is after her, we dont know how many silver eyed warriors are left in the whole of Remnant. The entire world relies on her to do sth. If she stops going, everything falls apart. And that is what is happening
Also maybe my memory is just failing me but did ANYONE ever ask Rwby how Phyrras death made HER feel??? Did anyone ever help her grieve?? Same with Penny.
Right. No one asked how she felt after her friend's death and never noticed the downward spiral. What she said is uncalled for.
'Hurt people hurt people' applies to this situation. Depression does that sometimes when you have no one you can talk to or feel like you can talk to.
@@donnamiller3463 Right?? It is very bad teamwork and they need to work on that more which I hope they will cause otherwise Ruby is gonna go face Salem completely alone or surrender
Yang stepping in front of Blake is literally top 3 dumbest moments of the show
Strong parallel between the flooding of Mantle and flooding of the village.
Jaune seems to be stuck in the Bargaining stage of Grief, while Ruby is in Anger/Depression.
That’s actually a great observation… 😭
So also noticed this late. Ruby ran away towards where the Jabberwalkers came from. Next episode we're going to have her encountering Neo. Possibly even Torchwick.
Or her and neo are going to work together
I doubt we’ll see torchwick since Gray isn’t there to voice him but maybe other dead characters?
@@erikroman1880 This makes absolute no fucking sense.
@@erikroman1880 I can see that, oddly enough.
She’d probably think the best way to hurt Ruby is to let her emotions fester more, turn her against everyone or somethin’. Either that or just not really caring anymore since Ruby is already suffering.
A lot was spoken that needed to be said.
The tree, death of personality. Resurrection. The cleaning of the soul. For RWBY to be a part of that? With what the writers have done it seems you have to die in this place.
Being insane does not mean being dumb.
The fact that Origami stars were able to convey an idea of a rebirth after death, and communicate the risks tonally via the presence of RWBYJ not being so certain, better than one of the main characters of Gen;lock Season 2 will always be hilarious to me.
This is character building I love seeing. It's a human response to 6 previous Volumes of stuff they've been through and it's added up to the boiling point. It's growth and interesting.
This episode:
Joan of Arc becomes Sysyphus.
Ruby finally snaps.
The Ever After Paper Pleasers mirrors Atlas and Penny.
Neo + Jabberwalker = Salem + Grimm.
I can already see Jaune looking for Ruby in the next episode. I wouldn’t be surprised if he saves her and apologizes to her. I’m only hoping.
I'm hoping it's him or Yang.
I hope it's everyone, because they all need to help her
Curveball: Neo finds her first.
plot twist, Jaune looks for Ruby but encounters Neo first
@@SymmbolZS I don't think it'll just be Jaune going to find her, because despite what everyone else has been saying, the rest of her team cares about her, they just couldn't see her cracks and when they did ask if she was alright, she just waved it off by saying she was fine
The blowup was pretty cathartic. While everyone was excited last week, I had a hard time being ok with it because of how tone deaf it was when you have Ruby falling more and more to the abyss and basically being completely ignored. So I like that it's brought up here (upon the other myriads of instances of Ruby being ignored). So I do appreciate that getting brought up. Yeah, Ruby crossed some lines, but what do you expect at this point when she can't deal with it anymore?
And Juane makes an excellent foil because his and Ruby's issues are very similar- they're both struggling with the weight of the responsibility on their shoulders that they've utterly failed to carry through on successfully. They've both lost people they care about. They both feel powerless. They've made decisions that ultimately caused more harm than good. Juane was able to cope looking at the afterins, right, wrong, or otherwise. Ruby has had no such ability to do so.
So if the theory is that Ruby has reached her breaking point and seeks out the tree to be reborn, would this not actually present one last opportunity for Juane's redemption? At the very least, I think he can relate to Ruby far more than anyone else in the squad right now. Of course, he has to fix himself before anything else happens.
I wonder if Ruby is gonna seek out the blacksmith again next episode, to pick out a new weapon and become someone else, and that the fact that she brought Crescent Rose means she's planning on trading it for the new weapon.
I love this cause we always had Jaune and Ruby back and forth they both deserved to vent cause truly jaune isn’t really mad at ruby cause throughout rubys been quiet they both released their emotions
i am welcome
Jesus Christ Jaune is still capable of feeling sadness? I thought he'd run out (of tears and the energy required to care)
I feel that the ever after tests and feeds on the deepest desires and doesn't care about the after effects either good or negative. It tested Blake and Yang relationship, gave the role of knight to Jaune and many others to the other citizens. Once the character fulfill or want to change rolls it goes to the tree to get a new purpose. It like the Ever After is like a parasite that make fairy tale situations into realty to then absorbs the character emotions like how Venom feed on Peter Parker/Spiderman negative emotions to survive. So when one story finishes it makes another story alongside new chapters that it got using the tree, first it was Alyx's story but now it is Ruby's story. The Ever After is never finishing cause the cycle just restarts when the story is just about to end.
Also everyone here need therapy after everything they went through. They never competed their training in being huntsmen and practically became child soldiers. The adults haven't been trustworthy since the beginning to the teenagers making crazy plans that tends to fail. Seem so many horrible things that happen to them that will have a lasting impact on their minds and are now likely the only ones to beat a ancient being that is Salem. they were never mentally prepared to deal with any of this to begin with. No wonder Ozpin has always been losing to Salem he is the worst statistician given his plans aren't even half bake.
In the eariler volumes Yang was always there for ruby but ever since team rwby reunion Yang barely even talked to her and gotten closer with Blake. She even started to stand against her
Ladies and Gentlemen,Ruby Rose has finally Snapped.
I knew that she was gonna be Pissed off at Jaune for killing Penny even though she told him to take her life so Cinder couldn't get the Power.
I think it's less angered directly at Jaune and moreso just driven deeper into despair at the whole situation.
Remember, Team RWBY isn't sure if their plan worked at all. None of them went through the final portal to Vacuo, and nobody who DID go through ever came back.
As far as Ruby knows, EVERYONE from Atlas is dead, and it's her fault.
I didnt sense anger at jaune or killing penny at all? It was something that HAD to be done so ruby would have to be mad that SHE wasnt good enough to make that option not needed
Ruby doesnt know Jaune killed Penny yet
@@SymmbolZS She will at some point.
@@SymmbolZS She knows Penny is dead, and that isn't something Weiss would keep from her, even if Jaune would, which I also doubt he would keep.
I’m gonna be honest, I loved everything about this episode because everything that was said needed to be said. I’ve watched it 3 times and liked the pacing, how things were shot. The only change I would make would be to just have the sound of the waves crashing through the credits, no music.
*I'm pretty sure Weiss is the one that understands Ruby the most here💀. She Wanted to be the leader but realised she wouldn't have been able to do what Ruby did and now that she saw this*
Hooooooo BOY! The warning at the beginning says it all and even then I wasn't prepared.
Those themes I think have been done well. Something I appreciate about this episode and Volume 8 is nobody (Ruby, Jaune, Yang, and Ren) is treated as being wrong. It's comprehensible where each one of them is coming from. Emotionally charged and not saying nice things, yes, but completely unfounded and unreasonable, no. Each one said things that were true in a sense and if you ask me needed to be voiced. Everything they said has the potential for the individuals of the group as well as the group as a whole be better.
It hit me before you said it but not during the episode that the People Pleasers desires to ascend is Penny all over again. Ugh that hurts.
The way Weiss is the only one who knows the full context of what Jaune is saying. Her minute expression change when Jaune is vaguely refering to killing Penny is a detail i liked. I really want Weiss to talk to him one on one about it and everything else.
Something I find very interesting at least is Weiss, Blake, and Yang haven't needed Ruby to be the shining light of hope or the leader with the answers or strategy as much at least. The three of them for the most part have been getting by with their own effort and abilities. BY's synergy is very good. Weiss has been doing good enough (and better than before) on her own and is still very good support. WBY have been clear headed and determined enough to be getting through the Ever After. Making up for Ruby's current shortcomings. Blake in particular has really stepped up to the current challenge and is thriving the most out of each of them. She's a helpful source of knowledge of the Ever After and has been very open minded in adapting to the world...that has got to do with her experience as a Faunus and member of the White Fang...that's saddening but makes a lot of sense. After this each of them Blake in particular are able to help Ruby shoulder some of the responsibility as leader. As much of a blow to her self esteem it may be I think it's needed for everyone's sake and I hope is the direction they go.
😳 this is a lot longer than I thought it would be. Your video(s) give me a lot to think about. So thank you. 😶🌫️
Eh, the one point of disagreement I have is the assertion that Ren's blowup wasn't treated as being wrong- out-of-universe among the fans, we all know he was justified and understand where he's coming from, but Jaune and Yang? Their reaction to his blowup was to act like Ren was the one being unreasonable.
Which, to be fair, is part of what led to this blowup by Ruby- Yang's comment earlier this season about "hey, don't do that, Ironwood thought like that" means that she's still rejecting the idea that Ironwood might have had a point- he wasn't completely right, no, but can RWBY be said to have been completely right when their choice got BOTH Mantle and Atlas destroyed, and the entirety of the Atlas Military killed? Yang and the others still don't accept that just because somebody was aligned against them or arguing with them doesn't mean that person is completely wrong- and Ruby and Jaune, who have both been reflecting as they mentally spiral, are no longer able to take that kind of intellectual ignorance.
I was kinda shocked that jaune didnt try to attempt suicide after losing so much again and was completely expecting that from the warning. I think that's completely reasonable considering the situation he has been in for years and what's going on
@@cheesypower3282 The story itself or the writers didn't portray Ren as completely unjustified and unreasonable because that was how they wanted Ren to be viewed (I think). His main points being
1. we're not ready for this and where we are proves that.
2. not trying to corroborate Ironwood, another enemy of Salem with a lot of resources, and sticking with our current plan (our plans don't have a good track record right now) is going to get people killed.
Yang didn't, and possibly still doesn't, understand where Ren was coming from. Jaune I think was more understanding. In the middle of the tundra he was trying to get the three of them moving not necessarily denouncing any of his points. He acknowledged Ren's belief that they shouldn't be huntsmen and said we still need to do something (and not freeze to death while arguing). When they were out of immediate danger he reached out to Ren with his own experience with inadequacy and what helped him.
Now, I can see how the girls have been trying to help Ruby in their own ways. I've said such before. But their methods aren't the best and they aren't noticed by Ruby or she doesn't feel like they help.
All of them noticed at some point or another and all were trying in their own ways. Some direct tries were seen by all as being brushed aside or rebuffed. Some attempts at helping weren't directly said to be doing so and the team might not have even realized they were. Even if these weren't the right steps. But you can't always see the right steps without outside perspective. Yang trying to help things a few times with comedy bits and 'I'll just punch it down' has probably been Yang's method of helping sad Ruby for most of their lives. She doesn't know any other way. Blake trying (and largely succeeding) to pick up the leadership mantle probably comes from lessons she's seen over her life. Its a 'if I'm handling this part, they can work through it and things will go back to good.' move that makes a fair amount of sense for her to know given her past. Now, as for Weiss, we have the person with a fair amount of her own recent trauma who learned the lesson of how to deal with it pretty badly. Weiss has 'there must be order and control' and she's trying to exert that around and the world is fighting back. If you go by 'order and control lead to resolving the issues or making them go away' then you can see how she's had a problem reaching Ruby. Everything seems to push back to letting her make that safe zone to where she can reach out.
Someone wanting to just talk it through directly or just be there with her (yes, Weiss even tried this but didn't phrase it enough to get through) is what Ruby wanted. Someone to pick her up. And when you're in a bad head space, you see the most negative aspects of the situation. Blake is taking her role and her sister away. Yang is leaving her behind (again). Jaune hasn't listened to these paper people like a true friend and respected their wishes and even forced his world view on them and named them after people from his past. Yes, it was a needed sanity grip for him but from someone who has had a few hours encounter with them, it does come off as a hallow friendship at best. Side note, I view the ascension bit as a butterfly life cycle with their time being reforged being in a cacoon state.
As for Jaune, I think we can say now we know why the clocks with 2 11s on them. He's been holding the village at 11 for ages. I can see why he's in that state. He can't really talk to natives about what he did to Penny. They wouldn't get it or be 'its a good thing so be happy'. He couldn't lay that weight on kids like Lewis and Alex and as 'failure' kept piling up, he was going to try to save who he could, where he could. Even if he shouldn't. Mostly as he fears he'll loose what little sanity he kept.
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A CHAPTER
Good, we finally got everything out. I'm more surprised it took Ruby this long to take off given her current depression. Had originally thought she'd just sneak away in the middle of the night or through the chaos of a battle. I have a feeling deep down Jaune already knows what he needs to do/accept. Least that's the impression I got from what he said after yelling at Ruby. He's aware of his problems. Weiss, Blake and Yang being left there hopefully they can help him through it. Ruby's so far gone at this point it'll take a lot of help to bring her out of it. It can't just be hand waved away.
I really hope that Weiss is the one that talks to her about her troubles. Not only as her partner but as someone that’s also gone through her own dark times. Or that, if the tree does “reset” people then I hope Weiss is the one that talks her out of going through it cause she doesn’t want to lose the Ruby she knows
That ain't gonna happen
If Jaune reaches the surface with RWBY it seems White Knight is a thing....becsuse this show is boring
@@falconeshielduhh Jaune hasn't really shown any feeling toward Weiss he actually seems to not care at all. No reaction when she complimented him, he showed annoyance with her, he didn't care when she fell in that pit, he jumped over her in this episode and almost stepped on her
This chapter is phenomenal. I don't know if it's was intentional but there were elements of Don Quixote with Jaune trying too hard to be the hero regardless of what the paper pleasers desired. I definitely felt giving Jaune a lance was a missed opportunity as it's a more fitting weapon for a knight on jackelope-back.
I think its fair for Ruby to say that as she wasnt afforded the opportunity to work things through. Like I was annoyed that Jaune’s breaking point took center stage when Ruby is clearly and has been having a breakdown. Ruby ,wasnt given that time even back in the beginning, to aptly deal with things. I think next episode is when we truly will see Ruby snap. I really do believe that if Atlas falling was Ruby’s fault, then everyone who followed her should share the blame. Especially Oz for not bothering to come back until his vessel was in life threatening danger.
True I feel Rubys breakdown will be seen as less important as Jeeans mostly because the community seems to hate Ruby to the point where she’s damned is she does something damned if she doesn’t. I feel ruby could’ve clapped back at Jeann calling him selfish for forcing the people to stay. Or how she thinks no one cares about her besides how she can help fix their problems.
@@andrewharris1344^ exactly
Ruby was the one who caused Jeann to snap though
@@markjack9772 both were in the right and the wrong in the situation
@@andrewharris1344 ya I know just in my opinion jeann is slightly more in the right
Ruby needs a hug
I really hope in the next episode we have the rest of Team Rwby Splitting up, yang and Blake go looking for ruby and wiess stays and comfort Jaune in his time of need and we finally get that talk about panny.
Why should they split again?
They should look for Ruby together
@@falconeshieldboth Jaune and Ruby both have there own issues to work out and based on that conversation I don't think they want to talk to one another.
It’s interesting that a lot of people have a problem with how Yang acted in the scene and I’m sitting here thinking this is the most realistic confrontation they’ve ever had. I can only speak from my experience but in an argument, it’s really hard for the older sister to be understanding and comforting to her younger sister when they feel like the younger one is being childish and rude (which I don’t think Ruby is but I can see how it can come off that way).
I think the getting in front of Blake thing and the “Hey!” was the most frustratingly, big sister thing she did. It’s hard to be rational and calm when you’re in a heated discussion. In hindsight, it’s easy to think of the right thing to do or say but it’s different when it’s in the moment. That’s the vibe I get from not only Yang but everyone in that scene.
I was really blown away by Ruby's performance this episode it definitely shook me to he core being someone who winds up having so much weight on my shoulders carrying others around me. It was hard to keep my composure watching this I loved seeing this side of her. I hope we get an incredible resolution or ascension to this matter.
I hope the next episode focuses soly on Ruby's mental state.
Quite the episode indeed! The universe simply hates Jaune. We were told that these were the same people that saved him after he had been poisoned by Alyx. Of course, he would do everything in his power to keep them safe. Unfortunately for him, they all came to want to leave long, long ago. But he couldn't have that! Not when they were only thing in this messed up world that he could actually help. Not when he could finally be of some use to someone. So he became stuck in this cycle.
As for Ruby, she had finally played her part long enough. The song says it all where her mental state is right now. "You don't need me anymore. You don't see me anymore", with the last line recognizing what she is, to herself. A "trapdoor", when people get too close to her, they fall. Either falling to their death (in the case of Summer, Pyrrha, and Penny), mentally (Jaune and Ironwood), or literally falling into this twisted tale.
You are right that guilt is playing on both of their conscience, tremendously and their brushup was necessary. Ruby cracked and what lay behind the mask is an embittered young lady who is caught up inside her own head, full of guilt, resentment towards what fate threw at her, and a feeling of isolation from her dearest friends and sister.
I think having the team talk about Ruby while she’s not there would be a good chapter
for the 1st half
then the 2nd half
will follow Ruby and Little, she’ll meet the blacksmith and “change”, like in the intro/trailer
Ruby becomes an Anti-Hero at the end of the Volume 9?
Finally we took the bandaid off
Rwby finally cracked that’s what we needed tbh
this episode was really good and the ending of it should really relate to some people.
Interesting Jaune hasn’t fully mapped the world. Ruby needs to go to the cake acre to ugly cry.
Interesting? He "has to" save the village like 12 times every day, it's a miracle he could do this much.
Sometimes you get these up too fast, it's scary.
I am speed
@@YouAllWrite ill subscribe to you Mr. Speed.
Something to consider on Jaune not allowing the Paper Pleasers to 'Move On'. Its a direct parallel to Jaune allowing, even HELPING Penny to die. Yes that was her choice but he was the one who had to do it, and that weighs on him even 10-20+ years later.
I'm kinda annoyed at how Ruby's teammates were oblivious. I know they all have their own problems, but still, they didn't pay enough attention to her. :(
Me too.
Well Ruby always seemed to be able to bounce back from anything they didn't expect this
@@lightdarksoul2097 Your right, people do bounce back, but as the creator of this video proclaimed, “check on your loved ones”. Yang is not very good on that front, so she needs to work on that.
I take Yang standing in front of Blake, not that she thinks Ruby is gonna beat her up but that she is trying to take Ruby’s focus because she knows Blake’s history with Adam and this could definitely set her off
Definitely.
Either way she's still protecting Blake perceive Ruby as a threat
I find it funny that people on the critic subreddit are mostly complaining about the yang standing in front of Blake scene 😂 like holy hell
Some of this fandoms media literacy is remedial im not gonna lie.
I don’t think they understand that Yang can handle rubys anger and wanted to shield Blake from it
@@wavekiller7719 it's mostly them using that scene to call yang a bad sister and talk crap about the bumbleby ship
@@bmg191 well...can you blame them?
Yang, instead of being worried for Ruby...decides to stand in front of blake defensively like she was gonna square up with Ruby and get mad at her...despite Ruby dealing with alot.
@@thedimensionmaker4293 yes I can cause all that subreddit is a circle jerk about how much they hate the show like the tiniest thing sets them off. I know one thing if my sibling was yell at my partner I would step in front of them so my sibling would direct it at me. Also WBY don't know what's going on with Ruby cause everytime they ask they get interrupted by something also when yang says "hey" I believe she was going to say "hey what's wrong" but Ruby cut her off
Ruby and Jaune was in the right. Yang is in a relationship while she SHOULD be comforting her 'sister' and how no one asks Ruby how SHE'S doing
Yang lost her entire childhood taking care of Ruby and every time this volume she’s tried they’ve either gotten sidetracked by the ever after or Ruby pivoted away. She can’t just confront her trauma away if Ruby is hiding it
She did ask if Ruby was okay but Ruby wasn't talking
Yeah, after looking at Ruby all volume, just seeing Crescent Rose on her back belt is... just so wrong to see now.
Jaune has to learn how to let go of trying to stop people he cares about from making their own choices. And it will be very.very. hard. But it has to be done.
Looking back at the climax of the episode, this was hurtful, to Jaune, to Yang and Blake. But it wasn't false, and they aren't there for here when she was.
And for the Jaune's arguments, they were wrong, they all agreed to this plan, he himself took them to the village everything is shared responsibility and blaming her for it is wrong.
Ruby on the other hand didn't blame anyone, she expressed her feelings however wrong the choice of words were
I see a lot of people putting blame on WBY for not being there for Ruby. The thing is, you can't be there for people if you don't know they need it. It may seem obvious to us, but we're the audience. The story, all stories, are designed to tell us things the characters aren't necessarily there to know. And Ruby clearly feels the same way a lot of you do, like no one cares how she feels. But to those who care about Ruby the most, this probably seems like it came out of nowhere. Because Ruby has always acted like she knew what to do and has been the beacon of hope everybody needed. But she's suffered too many devastating hits in close succession. Every so-often she cracked a little bit, and then bottled it all up again. In the end this was inevitable. But it was also necessary because now she can grow and move past this, so that something like this never happens again.
In the end I would say that none of our boys and girls are responsible for this. Only the adversaries who have always apposed them. People like Neo, Cinder, and especially Salem.
honestly, i can see wiess blaming herself a lot in the next episode. i mean, wiess is her partner and didn't notice what she was going through. something that i hope they do is that wiess is the one who is actively looking for her and when she finds her helps bring her back
Weiss isn't her sister.
@@jkranites Weiss isn't Yang's sister either. And yet she really helped Yang when she needed it. Therapist Weiss really dropped the ball this volume, she keeps losing her cool and ignoring her suffering partner. And when Salem made Ruby collapse into a crying heap, Weiss just stood there stunned.
@@jeffreysmith236 Honestly Weiss needs a hug more than Ruby
@@falconeshield they all do tbh.
Ruby come and join mama salem, join the darkness, Embrace it.
Mommi salami?
The rest of team RWBY were so thick this whole season so far for not realising the mental trauma Ruby is going through all along, and were surprised when she exploded in front of them like that. They deserved it to be honest (to get yelled at).
I just saw a video that surligned something important... when she cried before there was rain but not now
Im a little mad at yang for not trying to calm her sister down I mean yeah you and Blake but that your sister and she needed some support IDK yang in that situation mad me a little mad
I mean what was she supposed to do, telling her to calm would have only made things worse you have to let someone get out all that shouting
@light darksoul even the attempt to calm her down would have shown a little more care that her sister someone who should know her the best considering how long they were together for
The first fight JBRWY fought as a team against JaBbeRWockY
Wish there was actual team work
Ooof... this was a rough one. I have a feeling either episode 8 or 9, Ruby is going to wind up at The Tree without even realizing it. Or The Curious Cat will find her and bring her there. But, yeah... we are running low on episode count, here. I guess I'm just sort of confused as to what purpose Neo serves in this volume. We've seen the part of the opening credits with her sitting, looking like a boss, with a rogues gallery standing behind her, still cloaked in shadow and still yet to be seen in the show, 7 episodes deep. Furthermore, if this isn't something that gets explored more this volume, does that mean we spend another volume in The Ever After? And if not and everyone is leaving at the end, does this plot point carry forward back to Remnant? Does she keep her newfound power even after returning?
I'm trying to figure out how everything is laid out because it just doesn't seem like there is enough time left to really give what remaining questions there are the amount of care and attention that they've put into the rest of the volume. If we're back in Remnant by the end, that kinda scares me with what's left on the table.
This whole Neo going after Ruby is based on the fact that Neo thinks Ruby, a one year student, had the skill to beat Roman in a one on one fight, right?
What I want to know is how does Arc know Neo hates her and wants to kill her. That finger bang looked like it was for the whole team, not Ruby only.
But like Arc knowing Raven is Yangs mom it was most likely done off screen. How in all I know does rwby know Atlas fell? They were evacuating, right? On the bridge? Right? No one saw atlas fall. But Plot……….Right?
Ruby learning about Arc killing Penny? I feel that will be dragged out to V10 maybe V11.
It was implied Neo killed the Jabberwocky. Why did the Jabberwocky not run? Why did it let Neo kill it? For plot? It ran from rwby.
Also Neo could take all of rwby and arc by herself, with these clones she can capture rwby. Just another op toon acting dumber then dumb for plot.
I liked how Ruby said "shut up" because it's just true, and Ruby can't hear "everything will be better" anymore. The rest of the team are assholes too, none of them realize how much Ruby is suffering. Especially hers Sister doesn't give a damn how Ruby feels Jaune is blaming someone for some shit again what's Ruby's fault if Neo hates her?
Jaune and Ruby both needed to vent their frustrations but if anything Jaunes is way more warranted. Jaune is also a leader of a team that actually lost someone and does not even have his other friends right now. Hes not born with overpowered semblance or special god eyes he was just a normal dude who had aspirations. Hes lost just as much as rwby if not more now because he had an attachment to an entire village of "people" that all just died in front of him after his friends who finally showed up but ended up hating on him for what he has been doing to stay sane.
Oh I agree, about Yang. Now that we can finally move past the romantic subplot in the story. Yang really needs reflect on how she’s treated her sister. Because Yangs obsession with Blake has damaged her relationship with her sister. And ultimately both sisters need to sit down and talk this out.
@@Jinto021I mean it was on the rocks since Ruby abandoned Yang when she ran away in season 4 not to mention that Ruby disagreed with Yang on how to deal with Oz and the relic
@@Jinto021 In volume 9 Yang asked Ruby 2 or 3 times if she is okay. Every time Ruby brushed it off (also when Weiss tried to talk about Penny) Even when the Blacksmith talked about her heavy burden, she said "I'm fine, I can handle it" You can't force someone to talk about their feelings. Ruby, has this idea, that a leader has to be strong all the time.
@@sqxbarto9229 What I am saying is that there was never a moment where she pulled Ruby aside, just the two of them, for a “just checking in moment.” Had that occurred the blow up in this episode might not have happened. The conversation could be “I helped raise you, so I can tell that something is wrong, please talk to me”. We could have that + the romance. But well….
If we got a Zuko alone, can we get Ruby Alone from RWBY?
That will require Ruby to take responsibility for her mistakes, faults, and selfishness. I don't know if the writers will do that.
Plainly we don't have the time three episodes left
i think that the team does'nt go back to remnant this season maybe on the middle of the next.
The paper beings are a harsh reminder of penny. Beings that don't want to be saved
Loved the analysis. Once ruby and team get through this tiff, I wanna see ruby pop off in combat again. I remember watching the red trailer, now seeing ruby not being able to fight...poor girl
Do we know the team leaves Everafter this volume? I mean it could be a two volume story.
Off topic but what if juane actually met and trained with pyria as kids?
Ok It may sound crazy but I see Paper Pleasers fate as beacon of hope. Think about it Jaune was way stronger and clever than them by their own words and did not allow them to ascend no matter what they trained to do. Because of his trauma he enforced his worldview on them not caring about them. He was their Salem. He probably foiled thousands attempts to ascend but Paper Pleasers never surrender and finally won over adversary that by any margin should be unbeatable for them.
What I don't get, they did the same things every day at the same time, with the same results. Just with a small change, they should have succeeded a long time ago.
@@sqxbarto9229 Remember the first episode where Ruby was in a loop. Or when Weiss was in a later episode.
Other then rwby, Jaune and Neo, they are local in this world where you ascent after you fullfilled your purpose.
That they do the same things every day at the same time indicates that they don't even fully remember the last day.
@@EngineScypex That could make sense, and probably they are thinking every day,. "today our plan will work"
Paper Pleasers: "Glory to Arstotzka!"
I don't think we will have them go strait to vacuo next season I think vale back to were it started. there may not be a hole lot of time to cover all of it but get the ball rolling for ruby. think they may have other things that may be more important to help them in the future on remnant only can be found here. mabey a potion?
I hope ruby solo adventure last more than 10 minutes
So, I have a theory that might be interesting and possibly unlikely. I think that in the next chapter, there may be a possibility for Ruby and Neo to team up, even if for a short minute. Even with their hatred and grudge, Neo is smart. She can easily see how much Ruby is snapping and can pray on that. She may even offer a deal of getting to the tree (Idk why I have a feeling them working together to find the tree will be faster, with or without the cat) and then turning on her in those exact moments. I don’t think Neo will ever be a good person, or good character (then again, I thought Emerald wouldn’t leave Cinder) but I do think she’s manipulative enough, but Ruby might be prepared for that subconsciously because she knows Neo can and will hold the grudge.
Not another Qrow/Tryion team up
That went well last time
@@falconeshield lmao, but it would be interesting!
I really hope that yang get the focused next episode she really needs to balance out her feelings for Blake and ruby she really needed that.
I really hope this isn't Neo's final chapter she getting stronger and that mean the last episode might hurt and she my favorite character 😅and rwby could have been more aggressive she been through a lot for her age if I was in her shoes I would have been cracked as soon as I would have heard about penny and not only that she watched her other friend pass right in front her eyes that's some hard stuff.
This guy need to help ruby more bc she hurt and the team didn’t do nothing and I feel next episode will be about ruby idk why
Geez I'm already a emotional Rollercoaster.
Just finished Honkai Impact and now this episode
I was hoping Ruby would keep venting, but Juane HAD to but in and steal her moment.
Wym he had to butt in she literally insulted him and downplayed his duty, no matter what she's going through she doesn't have the right to do that.
I mean it makes sense that jaune would but in after what she said about the people pleasers, why would he just stay silent?
Yeah well he deserved too. Ruby mocked Jaune and made him feel horrible. Hell, if I was Jaune I would’ve snapped at her plus she didn’t have to do that
The two are quite paralleled. It makes sense that it would go in that way.
@@KingMufasa_8 It’s because Jaune has been stealing the spotlight from Ruby for his own issues throughout the entire show. And even now when Ruby has snapped from her problems, Jaune is still going to butt in and make it all about him. He was being selfish about protecting these make-believe friends that WANT to go, and he needed to be called out on it. Forget about PTSD and and years he spent here, HES A SIDE CHARACTER.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED rwby is and will always be in its best form when there’s tension and not this happy go lucky ass walk in the park which is why season 3 will always be the best ALSO finally a character being an actually person
I mean the last season wasn't all that happy and it wasn't the best season either
@@lightdarksoul2097 it was pretty good except the ironwood stuff
she finally snapped. Even jaune snapped. If this arc has shown anything is that both jaune and Ruby need to be repaired, revived or just becoming stronger better people. If there is anything CRWBY loves to do, is ruin Positive Character development and throw characters into Despair. because of that I have lost the belief that they will bounce back from that. And now I just pray to be wrong and see Ruby and Jaune overcoming the guilt of failure and see there is a deeper meaning in what they Have done and not what they failed to do.
Rubys rant about Yang though was justified the most, she has been extrodinarly selfish this arc. She is suppsoe to be the sister, and yet she cannot even see her own sister breaking.
despair in character is ONLY good, if the writers have a plan to overcome it. So far I cannot see that. Maybe thats why I am not enjoying this arc.
i like how Jaune snapped back at Ruby after She went on a rant and involved everyone,
then Ruby lost the argument then ran XD
This episode hurt
jaune is ozma
I only feel angry during this episode
Kind of messed up how Jaune comes to this village, claims it as his, gives them new names and interferes with their religious belief so much that they start trying to kill themselves.
Jaune was rescued by the village after Alyx poisoned him. The people there were there to beautify and assist, he became attached to his saviors and wanted to help them in return, attaching names to them that reminded him of home.
That's not exactly what happened? They're literally people pleasers they saved his life so he wants to protect them after losing so much. Plus the religion is more like a cult that jaune believes he knows the truth of
Is this really how you perceive this? C’mon man.
@@moistfist1054 It's literally what he did. He forced them to live a certain way because of his trauma.
@@cyrus9424 Their name (and in this realm, their purpose) is Pleasers. So in a weird way, they help him to feel being a hero, by creating these scenarios. It's a messed up toxic thing.
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All the people complaining about the yang protecting Blake scene obviously don't see the real reason she did that, it's not all about oh ruby is gonna hit Blake no she was just trying to get ruby to let her frustrations out on her instead of Blake because yang can actually take what ruby can dish out they are sisters (and yang raised ruby basically so I honestly think ruby sees her as a surrogate mom she literally says earlier in this vol you must have forgot who raised me she was referring to yang there, because let's be fair as much as I love tai it sounds like he wasn't as involved and qrow was somewhat there, raven was gone and so was summer that only leaves yang and ruby to help each other grow and Learn life together until now since their paths are slightly different now) and I know this isn't the first fight they have had with each other, Also not to mention both Blake and Weiss are abuse victims they don't do well with people yelling at them. I think they did this episode excellently.
every single vol something has happened to jaune and ruby because they are the leaders and they bottle up their baggage because well they told each other in vol 1 that their teammates came first and themselves second those two chatted about this, then they took that to heart up till now until they just don't know what to do anymore.
Both jaune and ruby needed to vent this stuff and just couldn't, do I think her team should have been more attentive and try to console her even if just alittle? absolutely, they tried a little and I know ruby wasn't really talking at first but people like ruby take time to get them to talk if they do, it's just hard because they feel like they are a burden just by speaking about their own problems so this was coming sadly both her and jaune are having a hard time settling how they are feeling because so much else was happening and everytime at least when ruby was kind of ready to talk she tried to say something, and then something else interrupted her and she just couldn't take it anymore. I do hope ruby and jaune can at least mend a little bit after this, jaune and ruby were the first friends in the show, they helped pick each other up for awhile up until now and seeing them like this is just painful to watch. I can understand every one of their situations and I'm interested to see what happens from here.
There is so much I would love to put into words about this world and it's characters if I could they just feel so relatable to me, and somewhat the people around me as well.
Look wiss Blake yang are going to find ruby rose and get jaune to apologize to ruby and talk it out to face neo
He already apologized. He literally said it right after. It’s Ruby who needs to apologize.
A simple sorry, nothing complicated.
Their plan was absolutely stupid and everyone else around her are a bunch of fools. You never rely on someone with the least amount of experience. Imagine trusting Falcon over Captain America in terms of strategy while he's shown having far less experience at all times.
no fr ruby had every right to snap shes literally a child and they keep looking to her since they all got back together in volume 6
They turned their back on the smart guy with the MOST experience and drove him away for 2 volumes. Then the guy after him in terms of experience fell into destructive alcoholism. At the farm, Ruby was the only one with the will to live and fight against the apathy.
@@quincyconnors9391 The "smart guy's" plan in Haven was to "wait and train", while they all walked into a death trap that they only managed to survive through a miracle in the first place.
@@HighPriestFuneral
Not a miracle, Cinder's incompetent planning allowing her to be tricked by Raven and Blake unexpectedly bringing reinforcements.
@HighPriestFuneral We all agree that Volume 5 was the worst one of RWBY. The good guys weren't thinking well, the bad guys weren't thinking well, the good guys wasted tons of time (episodes) doing nothing, and their plans were all bad.
If yang wasn't in a good head space because of Blake, ruby running away would destroy yang. Yang would blame herself entirely
team rwby has been through the same shit.. Yet Ruby is a bit of an ego, thinking she the "main character" who isnt supposed to lose.
then there's Jaune, clearly He's had it the worst. similar to OZ the fact that they arent suicidal after everything is amazing. then theres ruby, still having "Main character syndrome" moment
I'm glad they won't spend 2 episodes on Ruby's arc and I'll be getting my 10 bucks from a couple people.