Hi thank you so much for this video. I’ve literally just bought myself one and used it for the first time. I’ve decided to get into doing epoxy resin stuff and I’m starting with a project where you have to do one layer of resin, do some artwork and do another layer. So using type of lighter has absolutely worked a treat to get rid of air bubbles. So whoever recommended one of these lighters to me in the first place, I’m so happy and absolutely delighted with the results! I thought before I go any further, as I did use quite a lot of the gas right away, I’d go and learn how to refill it and what I needed to refill it with, so thank you so much. I feel a lot more confident using it now and not being worried over using too much gas each time, because it actually was a little bit expensive. Plus it did seem a shame to buy a new one each time when they are refillable. I actually found it in a really small local supermarket. I thought I’d have to go somewhere a little bit more specialist, so as I keep saying I’m absolutely delighted! Thanks for all your help!
Thank you sir:) I have also found; that all lighters are not created equally. Some just don’t want to work at all. I have a $50 cigar lighter that doesn’t want to cooperate at all?
Awesome video. It seems silly but is worth it. A grocery store clerk taught me about the fuel. I had a lot of fouling and soot from my torches. I was constantly cleaning my electronic ignition systems of carbon from the cheap butane. She showed me 9x refined butane and said it is what she uses in her cooking...no "torch flavor" and less carbon. It wasn't but a few cents more and it works! I've seen 12x and higher refined, but never tested them. The brand my store sells has adapters on the cap. I've learned not all butane torch refill ports are the same. Some take specific brands better than others because of how the port is configured. The adapters helped more than I anticipated. I use my torch for epoxy knife handle making, cooking, getting rid of weeds in the garden, quick cutting plastic, plastic welding, and more.
I hear you sir, I have a lighter from a cigar shop that has never worked for me! I didn’t bother returning it as I assume I’m mentally retarded and just haven’t figured it out yet! Ha
Thank you for this video as it makes sense to why I was getting too much spillage when my torch wasn’t even near full. I didn’t make the connection that the torch had that much pressure in and that was my issue. This was very helpful.
Hi I got a new torch today and when I tried to fill it all the butane was spilling to the top. Some went in but at least half leaked. Any help? It shows half full now but I don't want to keep wasting it and am scared the spillage will ignite ? Thank you! @@SaskHunting
I didn't even think about the air pressure! Thanks for this video, I got my main torch filled up nice thanks to you! I'm not cooking with them, let's just say that. Thanks!!!
Honestly, the tip about the air pressure in there was huge. I always thought the air in there was just butane gas I hadn't considered that it was just compressed air. Now my torch lasts more than 3 crem brule dishes before the flame dwindles. Thanks!
I AGREE !!! I looked up instructions but this crucial detail/step was left out and wasn't working.. I've released the pressure and trying again. Hope it works now :D
@@adrianjasso822 say for example if you in a small area like a bathroom tryna refill like he did, all that gas goin in the air and what you think gone happen once you light that lighter😂😂
Thank you sir. The other guides I found had me wasting butane. The key I was missing was the canister being upside down, I think. Either way, it worked this time.
Still can't get it to fill my torch though don't know if it's something wrong with the butane tank but it constantly is just leaking out of the tank instead of filling up the torch
No, sir, If it’s right side up go for it, as if a person is going to wait and go through all this rigmarole when they’re in a rush! Ha:) this tutorial is what I do to prevent issues. I don’t always preform this process, probably 75% of the time to prevent problems down the road. Each to their own:)
re 4:37 As far as I know, the only way for any air to get into the appliance is the tiny residue in the connector, and any contaminant that liquefies in the charger. The level in the appliance is only that between liquid and gas fuel (not air). That said, the only purge that might be useful is less than 1/2 second to expel it and a tiny bit of fuel into the connector fitting. Any change in the fuel level is just lost fuel. The benefit of shaking the charger is only to warm the fuel in the charger & raise its pressure. Likewise, since the BP of iso/butane is 30F (Propane is -44F) chilling the appliance in the freezer can lower its pressure, & increase your recharge rate & level, resulting in a slightly (check for yourself) more fully charged appliance. There might also be some marginal benefit in re-cooling the appliance (which you have just filled with warmed fuel), & 'top it off' again.
If you're really concerned with how much fuel you have in your torch, I suggest buying. A 10 dollar Digi scale and weighing it when its depleted, and then fill it up , once you have your two numbers, it's just simple math after that. I use the gram setting. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
When you turn the can of butane upside down, the liquid (if there is any left) will be at the bottom. When the valve opens, the "gas butane" will push the liquid butane out. Purging the butane pressure out of the lighter is important to let the pressurized butane can fill it.
This is what I have experienced:) this morning my wife wanted me to fill one of her cheap candle lighters; I slammed it in and nothing at all, no fuel would enter the lighter? I then turned it upside down and purged a little (not all the pressure) then tried it again, then the lighter would allow fuel. Experimented a little. I’ve been learning that every light is different.
So my torch is acting strange - i have refilled it only twice, it is new: but at my now second refill it has a really unstable flame, which spits fire suddenly and the flame is totally unreliable. I have purged it from the bottom and also just let gas out from the top, but it doesnt seem to help. Someone said I may have used impure gas, but wouldnt it then abyway take a longer time to be messed up than a couple of weeks? The gas is pure Butane and it says "almost ZERO impurities" ;) so yeah .. but it is not the cheapest i found. Okay so, what to do?
I’m learning that each lighter acts differently and some of them are straight up bastards! I’m trying to fix one that is a bitch. Never has worked. I’m making videos along the way of my infuriation to share with others 😂
This may lead to sputtering and inconsistencies with your torch. By turning your lighter upside down for a couple minutes; this will allow the air to rise to the top, to allow the air to be vented. Once the excess air is vented, then add the new butane to the torch:)
The butane bottle i bought didnt have that straw at the end. Is that why the butane is spraying everywhere and not into my torch? Where do i get the straw?
@@SaskHunting what I bought was the Eureka Butane fuel canister from REI. None of them there had a tube. There was another branded canister there too and that was the same way as well. Not sure what I'm suppose to do :( Just trying to fill up a torch/smoker used for old fashioned cocktails my friend got me as a gift.
@@SaskHunting cool I see those. But kinda pricey. I think I'm gonna go back to REI and return the one I bought and get one that has nozzle tip included. I found one in Amazon that does. Thanks!
Q: You said the air escapes while you fill (the butane displaces the air at the top). So why would you need to purge the lighter if the air escapes during filling?
I have personally found that you don't need or necessarily want to purge a lighter that has been maintained. For example; just the other day I needed to fill a cheap BBQ lighter that wasn't mine. When I attempted to fill it was so pressurized with air that it wouldn't allow butane to be added. Once I depressurized the tank it then allowed butane.
Only do a couple quick squirts at first then check if the lighter works. you don't have to purge the lighter after every fill. just when it starts running poorly:)
There is no air in a butane refill cylinder. There is gaseous butane and liquid butane. If there were an oxidizer in there (air), you'd have a potential bomb in your hand. If you shake a butane cylinder, the surface tension between the liquid and gas is so small, any bubbles are released immediately. Look at a cheap translucent disposable lighter. Shake it and tell me how long the bubbles last.
But how did you get the gas to come out of the container? Do you have to twist or bend the stem or something? I stick the stem into the lighter and nothing happens.
I just keep the nozzle depressed and the cold butane automatically spills over. I’m thinking your gas cylinder is over compressed with air and won’t allow anything to enter the cylinder? This is just a guess? So I would try purging some air out of the lighter, to allow fluid to enter the cylinder.
Sorry for the late response! Hope you got it working:) I have a $50 lighter that has never worked. I have tried to fix it multiple times but no dice. I’m not giving up! Ha
So, even when you depress the fuel reservoir the tank won’t purge any fuel? If the lighter is upside down while you’re depressing the fuel reservoir and nothing is coming out, turn the light right side up and continue depressing the reservoir. Now, if the lighter still isn’t purging any fuel, I would suspect the lighter is empty? If you can visibly see fuel in the tank, I would say you need to try and pressurize the tank by inserting a upright butane tank; not turning the tank upside down to fill it, but drop the upright lighter onto the upright butane fuel tank and inject the lighter with a few quick bursts? Now if that doesn’t add some pressure to your lighter? I would start considering the fuel reservoir is damaged in some way or clogged? Try poking a needle gently into the fuel reservoir to clean out possible debris? Let me know if this helps?
There is no AIR in this torch, it is BUTANE in gas form. The liquid Butane is in liquid form under pressure! It turns to a flammable gas as the torch is opened and that makes the liquid turn to gas at atmospheric pressure . You do not have to purge this torch, just fill with the butane supply. It may help to cool the torch and heat the supply with warm water if you want to fill the torch easier!
If there is no air in the torch what was making that hissing noise? If the torch is used and some of the gas or fuel is used what is left in its place? I’d think air because otherwise I’d worry the can will implode from the pressure. I mean I’m no scientist and could be way wrong but that sounded like air to me. I never put air into a baby bottle but they sure seemed to get air in them so I’d think kinda the same way. ? I’m just trying to learn not cause trouble 😊
@@JulieAlexander9632 Any gas can make a hissing noise, not just air. What's making the noise is gaseous butane. It is compressed enough in there that it turns into a liquid, with the remaining volume being filled by gaseous butane. As you use the torch, what comes out is gaseous butane, the liquid inside is slowly depleted but as long as there is liquid in there the rest is always going to be butane, not empty space or air. Only when you no longer see the liquid does it mean that there is at best some residual fuel in a gaseous state, and as you release that too all that can happen is that the inside of the torch simply matches atmospheric pressure, so nothing can ever implode when dealing with this stuff.
Sorry sir, every lighter is different. I feel your pain. I have a lighter that I purchased for $50 that has never worked for me….I just recently took it apart and one of the two burner hoses were disconnected! Lol
This isn’t meant to be gospel for every scenario; this is what has worked for me with my lighters and this particular fuel. You may have play with your lighter after refilling; ie your lighter may not light immediately after a refill, why? Well, it’s cold, so warm it up, then try lighting it. My latest video is on a lighter that has never worked for me! I took it apart and pulled a Jerry rig on it. Im not going to pretend this is optimal, but it’s cost effective ha!
@@SaskHunting what are u on about gospel for everything😂 buddy it was a simple question and I honestly answered it myself but I was high and wonder what u would do since your the one making videos on it lmaooo🤡
My torch won’t light anymore. Tried different fuel on same model torch and it doesnt work anymore. Wtf did I do wrong? Why am I killing torches and lighters ? Tried 3 different butane bottles
This feels like a weirdly complicated and confusing way to explain butane vapor pressure. You are calling it air, but that is just the gaseous butane. When you relieve that "air pressure" you are removing butane gas, and the liquid butane will eventually turn to gas and create pressure again. That will continue until you have no liquid. So you are simply reducing the pressure to add more liquid butane.
Incorrect size of nozzle for the receptacle? Or the tank is full of fuel or the tank is full of compressed gas, or there is an issue with the inner workings of the lighter?
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no air in the lighter or can. There is butane in both a liquid and gas state. If not in a pressurized container at room temperature the liquid instantly evaporates. In a container a small amount evaporates pressurizing the container until no more can evaporate. Lighting the torch burns gas off the top, more liquid evaporates to keep the container pressurized. If you had the can right side up you could you could take the torch out of a freezer and gas would leave the top of the can and liquid would condense in the torch. It’s about temperature and pressure, purging the torch accomplishes nothing.
You are probably correct in your experience sir:) I’m not saying to purge the lighter every time just for shits and giggles. Only when the lighter doesn’t want to fill or allow fuel into the tank when you know the lighter has no fuel in it. I’m going by my personal experience sir:) Every lighter seems to have its own likes and dislikes? I have this lighter that has never worked for me and I ended up taking it apart and one of the hoses leading to the burner wasn’t attached lol go figure:)
@@SaskHuntingit's just simple physics if you cool the lighter when it doesn't want to take butane instead of purging just cool it down a bit too condense the gas and the lighter and lower the pressure. Thanks for the video reason i know all this is hvac same concept.
I think your information about the cans and shaking them introducing air and such is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure that butane itself is used as a propellant. That's why it maintains equal levels of pressure throughout its use. When pressure is relieved after continued refueling, the pressure in the can lessens therefore allowing more butane to vaporize therefore maintaining equal pressure. I dont think that shaking the can or leaving it upside for any period is going to have any different type of advantage or disadvantage. I could be wrong though I'm not physicist or chemist or butane torch maker. And I didn't come to argue or anything like that. Mainly just trying to be objective and understand the nature of torches and butane as I'm recently new to using a torch of this type. 😂 I will say that after I use my torch , I try to make sure it's as empty as possible, and I also try to keep the air purged both before refueling and before the first use after filling it up. It could be the torch I own but I did experience some spitting at higher pressures before realizing it needed purged. I just assumed the air came through the fill nozzle during the filling process though and not from inside the actual can itself.
Ya, you may be correct sir? I’m only going by what has work for me personally:) If you want to have a real laugh you should watch my most recent video on fixing a defective lighter!
What air? If the torch is completely out of gas, and you hold the lighter valve open, it might be possible to equalize tank pressure with atmosphere. Thats the only way to introduce air into the lighter, and I would debate if that would even make a difference. There is no air in the torch. What you see in the torch with the clear tank is butane liquid and butane gas. No air. The gas comes from the liquid butane depending on temperature. Warm up a can of butane and cool the lighter, it will fill it right up. As you use the lighter, oxygen is not being introduced into the butane torch. How can it get into the butane tank? it cant. Its not coming from the butane fuel can, thats all butane, no air. Purging is not how this works. You are not letting "air" escape. That is butane in gas form, plain and simple.
I’m only going by what the directions on this particular can of butane says to do:) By no means am I claiming to be a professor of “lighter filling” ha! But, I’m claiming that this particular can of butane specifies in rule #1 Release excess air from tank before refilling. Then it specifies. Please follow your lighter instruction manual. #2 set flame adjuster to low. #3 refill lighter in upside down position. #4 warm lighter in hand for 10 seconds. Wait 2 minutes before lighting. #5 reset flame to desired height. You will notice the word “air” in the very first instruction. It’s just a wording specifying it’s under pressure:) I wish I could show a pic in the comments. I’ll post a video on the instructions I guess.
@@SaskHunting Ya know what? I just filled 8 new torches from Amazon, the manufacturers instructions said purge. I, being me, ignored that dumbness on all but the last torch. That's the one that correctly filled per manufacturers instructions. So I am eating my own words on this. BUT I still don't know where the air would come from. Actually, the only thing it can be from is the liquid butane after it turns to a gas. And since the "air" or more specifically butane gas is compressible, that's the pressure fighting a complete fill of liquid butane. Not like that matters much, it's gonna go back to gas anyways before it can burn.
Purging a lighter makes absolutely no sense unless is brand new and never has had a charge before, the gas above the liquid is the same thing as the liquid, as you refill it will condense, if that isn't happening that means your refill tank might be too cold, warm it up a bit with your hands and cool your lighter that should fix the issue.
Correct sir, I don’t always purge the lighter; only when all else fails. Also I never purge the gas entirely, I just release some of the pressure. It’s just another method i use use if the lighter doesn’t want to ignite. Every lighter is slightly different. I’m constantly learning by trial and error sir:)
Great tips, Thank you Sask Hunting. Personally, I use high quality triple filtered Butane, Only $7 (in Australia) compared to $4 for the cheap Chinese stuff. The tiny nozzles in these torches can block/get dirty very easily and that can be a problem. A quality torch is worth looking after. Not to mention, you don't want it to fail when you really need it to work! 👍👍🦘🦘
You're not releasing pressure, you're releasing butane gas. Butane is only liquid when it's under high pressure or extremely low temperatures, otherwise its a gas.
Ohhh another self grandizing, "I'm super smart cuz I know middle school physics and I use it regularly to bash people over the head with my knowledge and my condescending undertones" 😂😂😂😂 I bet this guy has hair tho, can't wear your 8th grade knowledge on a date!
Another bogus video devoid of facts. How does everyone propose that AIR gets in a butane torch? Someone missed that day in physics class. Other than a tiny amount that may get in when fully emptied, all of the pressure in a lighter or torch is caused by the vapor pressure of BUTANE. If you let some pressure out, it is immediately replaced by any butane going from liquid to gaseous state inside. Run it until it is empty, then refill it.
Whew! Well good thing there's aholes like you out there tracking every butane torch refill video to bequeath the world with all your "accurate" and self-grandizing opinions.
Because we’re not all smart like you. It’s not that serious pal. Vapor pressure…Air - same difference. We all know what the hell he meant you grumpy ding dong.
Obviously you're an asshole. If you've ever used a lighter like this, you would know they do build a pressure inside the tank and they do need to be bled once in awhile. It's better to look stupid in a corner than open your mouth and prove it which you just did
I know right ha! If your lighter isn’t running efficiently try purging it, if it’s running smoothly, don’t purge. Don’t try and fix what’s not broken;)
Correct sir, but I’m just reiterating what the directions on the butane container stipulate. They call it “air” for lack of a better word. I think they use “air” to simplify the procedure process and not to confuse the customer with formality?
@@SaskHunting"Air" isn't an appropriate word to use when referring to butane gas. Why bring up the concept of purging at all? Maybe because they're in the business of selling you more butane?
I run live steam model trains off butane this is a load of ...... the only thing that is going to make a real difference is going with a higher reviewed gas one that doesn't have multiple people complaining about sediment clogging the gas chamber passageways . the gas is the propellant that pushes itself out of the chamber because butane is like a warmer boiling propane it starts in the liquid form and evaporates to take up the available space with more liquid butane at the bottom of the can unevaporated it's not like diesel,kerosene,gasoline,naptha,white gas,oil,alcohols that needs a wick,pump or pressurized tank with an inert gas to move it to the burner de pressuring is only wasting fuel i have done actual research on this subject to try different fuels and design different boilers for my models
There is no air, that is only butane vapor. At 14 psi environment, you can't force that into a tank that has higher pressure. All "purging" is doing is releasing butane. And you keep saying gas when you mean liquid.
Yes sir, I’m only reiterating what the actual butane container stipulates in its directions:) the refer to it as “air” I’m assuming it’s to not complicate the directions for the average user with semantics? Who knows
I've noticed near the end of the video you lighted up your lighter next to the butane containers!..That was a very dumb and unsafe thing to do!..You're lucky these containers didn't explode on your face!..
@SaskHunting stop feeding the trolls who are clearly only here to leave their negative vibes all over those of us just trying to exist .... I'm wondering about all the many many stupid things this troll has ever done in their life that probably makes yours seem pretty LOL.......
I’m sorry this didn’t work out for you; trust me when I say not all lighters are created equally! Play around with it, take it apart and inspect the hoses, try another fuel etc. or you have a broken lighter! I have one that has never worked for me!
Hi thank you so much for this video. I’ve literally just bought myself one and used it for the first time. I’ve decided to get into doing epoxy resin stuff and I’m starting with a project where you have to do one layer of resin, do some artwork and do another layer. So using type of lighter has absolutely worked a treat to get rid of air bubbles. So whoever recommended one of these lighters to me in the first place, I’m so happy and absolutely delighted with the results! I thought before I go any further, as I did use quite a lot of the gas right away, I’d go and learn how to refill it and what I needed to refill it with, so thank you so much. I feel a lot more confident using it now and not being worried over using too much gas each time, because it actually was a little bit expensive. Plus it did seem a shame to buy a new one each time when they are refillable. I actually found it in a really small local supermarket. I thought I’d have to go somewhere a little bit more specialist, so as I keep saying I’m absolutely delighted! Thanks for all your help!
You ROCK! Yes, I wanted a video to show me how to fill a butane lighter that had no visible gauge. Thank you 🎉
Thank you sir:) I have also found; that all lighters are not created equally. Some just don’t want to work at all. I have a $50 cigar lighter that doesn’t want to cooperate at all?
Awesome video. It seems silly but is worth it. A grocery store clerk taught me about the fuel. I had a lot of fouling and soot from my torches. I was constantly cleaning my electronic ignition systems of carbon from the cheap butane. She showed me 9x refined butane and said it is what she uses in her cooking...no "torch flavor" and less carbon. It wasn't but a few cents more and it works! I've seen 12x and higher refined, but never tested them. The brand my store sells has adapters on the cap. I've learned not all butane torch refill ports are the same. Some take specific brands better than others because of how the port is configured. The adapters helped more than I anticipated. I use my torch for epoxy knife handle making, cooking, getting rid of weeds in the garden, quick cutting plastic, plastic welding, and more.
I hear you sir, I have a lighter from a cigar shop that has never worked for me! I didn’t bother returning it as I assume I’m mentally retarded and just haven’t figured it out yet! Ha
I knew how to fill a lighter, but I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. This was my problem. This video helped so much thank you!
Thx for posting this.. It’s been a while since filling a butane lighter and I wondered about flipping the can over. Good stuff 🥂
Glad I could help
Thank you for this video as it makes sense to why I was getting too much spillage when my torch wasn’t even near full. I didn’t make the connection that the torch had that much pressure in and that was my issue. This was very helpful.
Thanks, it’s just an unprofessional observation ha;)
Hi I got a new torch today and when I tried to fill it all the butane was spilling to the top. Some went in but at least half leaked. Any help? It shows half full now but I don't want to keep wasting it and am scared the spillage will ignite ? Thank you! @@SaskHunting
About the most helpful advice I’ve heard on TH-cam. Thanks! The purging instantly solved my problem with the Honest butane torch. 🎉
Glad it worked:)
I didn't even think about the air pressure! Thanks for this video, I got my main torch filled up nice thanks to you! I'm not cooking with them, let's just say that. Thanks!!!
Glad it worked for you:)
This video is important. I broke 2 torches by improper usage. These are complicated devices that need training. Much thanks to Sask Hunting!
Thank you@RedMistNinja :)
This video helps cause I’m a pastry chef and a chef so whenever I fill it I’m always worried it will blast the gas liquid on me so thank ya❤❤
Honestly, the tip about the air pressure in there was huge. I always thought the air in there was just butane gas I hadn't considered that it was just compressed air. Now my torch lasts more than 3 crem brule dishes before the flame dwindles. Thanks!
That’s what I think and it works for me. You don’t have to purge it every time, every once in awhile.
I AGREE !!! I looked up instructions but this crucial detail/step was left out and wasn't working.. I've released the pressure and trying again. Hope it works now :D
Thanks for sharing this video, I accidentally fireballed myself a while back because I didn’t fill my torch properly.
Thank you sir:)
What does fireball mean?
@@adrianjasso822 say for example if you in a small area like a bathroom tryna refill like he did, all that gas goin in the air and what you think gone happen once you light that lighter😂😂
That or over filling torch can turn a 4 inch flame to 2 ft my bathroom wall is a good example lol
@@SaskHunting00000
i aint using these for cookin… we takin dabs baby!
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Exactly right lol, here trouble shooting so I can get back to chillin 😂
Saaaaaaaaaaaaame hell yeah brother we gettin LIT [after we properly fill our torches]
Jus like me
my GUY!
I’ve been noobing it up for a while now. Thanks my guy!
This is so helpful and literally exactly what I was looking for! Thanks
You're so welcome!
Exactly what I was looking for, thanks. Gave you thumbs up
Thank you sir, glad you figured it out:)
Thank you sir. The other guides I found had me wasting butane. The key I was missing was the canister being upside down, I think. Either way, it worked this time.
Thank you!! I knew I was missing one step.
Thanks I never use butane torch before, and it came empty and I was wondering why it was spraying kinda fizzing when I tried to fill it
Over filled it perhaps?
Still can't get it to fill my torch though don't know if it's something wrong with the butane tank but it constantly is just leaking out of the tank instead of filling up the torch
I've been doing it all wrong. Thank you for this video!
Watched a buddy filling his lighter and thought about a video;)
This is a very helpful tutorial 😊 Thank you for sharing 😊
I’m glad you found it applicable:)
Awesome video!!!!😊Thanks for posting this...☮️💯❤️🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
This may be a dumb question but I am new to butane torches why doesn't the trigger for the torch actually Purge it as well?
Not a dumb question sir, yes you can purge it from the trigger but it takes longer.
Hell yes man! Thanks for the tutorial. Appreciate it!
Thanks man, this is what has worked for me:)
Does the butane bottle have to be upside down?
No, sir, If it’s right side up go for it, as if a person is going to wait and go through all this rigmarole when they’re in a rush! Ha:) this tutorial is what I do to prevent issues. I don’t always preform this process, probably 75% of the time to prevent problems down the road. Each to their own:)
Good video, thanks mate
Exactly what I needed to know
Glad it helped
What is the differences in REFINED and how many times a butane fuel is refined? 4x 8x 11x 14x and so on?
Not sure dude, my apologies
re 4:37 As far as I know, the only way for any air to get into the appliance is the tiny residue in the connector, and any contaminant that liquefies in the charger. The level in the appliance is only that between liquid and gas fuel (not air). That said, the only purge that might be useful is less than 1/2 second to expel it and a tiny bit of fuel into the connector fitting. Any change in the fuel level is just lost fuel. The benefit of shaking the charger is only to warm the fuel in the charger & raise its pressure. Likewise, since the BP of iso/butane is 30F (Propane is -44F) chilling the appliance in the freezer can lower its pressure, & increase your recharge rate & level, resulting in a slightly (check for yourself) more fully charged appliance.
There might also be some marginal benefit in re-cooling the appliance (which you have just filled with warmed fuel), & 'top it off' again.
Awesome video, lots of great tips!
Thanks for including the sound!!
Lol have I missed it in the past? Ha
Expect two new torch lighters any day thank you for your technical tips!
Thanks:)
If you're really concerned with how much fuel you have in your torch, I suggest buying. A 10 dollar Digi scale and weighing it when its depleted, and then fill it up , once you have your two numbers, it's just simple math after that. I use the gram setting. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Lol I was going to do this, but I thought it would be too much!!
Oohhh that's a really good idea
So, a little goes a long way to refilling these?
Seems that way, every lighter is different:)
When you turn the can of butane upside down, the liquid (if there is any left) will be at the bottom. When the valve opens, the "gas butane" will push the liquid butane out.
Purging the butane pressure out of the lighter is important to let the pressurized butane can fill it.
This is what I have experienced:) this morning my wife wanted me to fill one of her cheap candle lighters; I slammed it in and nothing at all, no fuel would enter the lighter? I then turned it upside down and purged a little (not all the pressure) then tried it again, then the lighter would allow fuel. Experimented a little. I’ve been learning that every light is different.
It has to upside down right ? What if it spews out even though it’s empty
That's the way I do it sir, every lighter is different :)
So my torch is acting strange - i have refilled it only twice, it is new: but at my now second refill it has a really unstable flame, which spits fire suddenly and the flame is totally unreliable. I have purged it from the bottom and also just let gas out from the top, but it doesnt seem to help. Someone said I may have used impure gas, but wouldnt it then abyway take a longer time to be messed up than a couple of weeks? The gas is pure Butane and it says "almost ZERO impurities" ;) so yeah .. but it is not the cheapest i found. Okay so, what to do?
I’m learning that each lighter acts differently and some of them are straight up bastards!
I’m trying to fix one that is a bitch. Never has worked. I’m making videos along the way of my infuriation to share with others 😂
Thank you for the video. I find that I fill up almost every 20 minutes. What could the issue be. I use a dremel torch and a butane propane gas mix
What happens if you don't purge it and refill it? I just got one and thats what i did the smoke shop didn't tell me i have to purge before refill
It’s not going to ruin your lighter by any means, but it may not run as efficiently:)
When you add new pressure to existing pressure; it increases the total pressure of the cylinder to where it may exceed its limits to run efficiently.
This may lead to sputtering and inconsistencies with your torch.
By turning your lighter upside down for a couple minutes; this will allow the air to rise to the top, to allow the air to be vented. Once the excess air is vented, then add the new butane to the torch:)
The butane bottle i bought didnt have that straw at the end. Is that why the butane is spraying everywhere and not into my torch? Where do i get the straw?
Go back to the store and borrow one from the cans.
@@SaskHunting what I bought was the Eureka Butane fuel canister from REI. None of them there had a tube. There was another branded canister there too and that was the same way as well. Not sure what I'm suppose to do :( Just trying to fill up a torch/smoker used for old fashioned cocktails my friend got me as a gift.
Try looking online, I seen a set of butane fuel nozzle adapters on Amazon.
@@SaskHunting cool I see those. But kinda pricey. I think I'm gonna go back to REI and return the one I bought and get one that has nozzle tip included. I found one in Amazon that does. Thanks!
Good to hear sir! I’ll have to look into this smoker for beverages?
For whisky I assume?
Q: You said the air escapes while you fill (the butane displaces the air at the top). So why would you need to purge the lighter if the air escapes during filling?
I have personally found that you don't need or necessarily want to purge a lighter that has been maintained. For example; just the other day I needed to fill a cheap BBQ lighter that wasn't mine. When I attempted to fill it was so pressurized with air that it wouldn't allow butane to be added. Once I depressurized the tank it then allowed butane.
What if gas is going out?
Your lighter is probably full or you are not getting a good seal from the nozzle or the nozzle is the incorrect size?
I tried to purge a half full torch after i purged, all the gas was gone?
Only do a couple quick squirts at first then check if the lighter works. you don't have to purge the lighter after every fill. just when it starts running poorly:)
Thanks! Here is a clean comment for the algorithm!
Thanks appreciate it:)
Very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you sir
bruuh leaving the can upside down was major !! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks my brother. Why does everyone have to make it so complicated. I love you ❤❤❤ baby
Thanks! I know right:)
WHO KNEW! Thanks for this!
Thanks:)
There is no air in a butane refill cylinder. There is gaseous butane and liquid butane. If there were an oxidizer in there (air), you'd have a potential bomb in your hand. If you shake a butane cylinder, the surface tension between the liquid and gas is so small, any bubbles are released immediately. Look at a cheap translucent disposable lighter. Shake it and tell me how long the bubbles last.
what even IS that tool you're using? i certainly don't have one
Screwdriver?????
Ya, just a small screw drive or any pointy object would work. Just don’t press too aggressively to damage the fill port:)
my butane immediately starts to spit out despite purging the tank and the tank being empty. is my nozzle broken?
Ihave this same problem
But how did you get the gas to come out of the container? Do you have to twist or bend the stem or something? I stick the stem into the lighter and nothing happens.
I just keep the nozzle depressed and the cold butane automatically spills over. I’m thinking your gas cylinder is over compressed with air and won’t allow anything to enter the cylinder? This is just a guess?
So I would try purging some air out of the lighter, to allow fluid to enter the cylinder.
Hek me got new torch but I don’t know if it needs butane, my butane just spills everytime I try😔
help me just need to smoke😔
Sorry for the late response! Hope you got it working:)
I have a $50 lighter that has never worked. I have tried to fix it multiple times but no dice. I’m not giving up! Ha
Same why does it spill I know my torch is empty and burped or whatever lol
What do I do if my torch won't purge
So, even when you depress the fuel reservoir the tank won’t purge any fuel?
If the lighter is upside down while you’re depressing the fuel reservoir and nothing is coming out, turn the light right side up and continue depressing the reservoir.
Now, if the lighter still isn’t purging any fuel, I would suspect the lighter is empty?
If you can visibly see fuel in the tank, I would say you need to try and pressurize the tank by inserting a upright butane tank; not turning the tank upside down to fill it, but drop the upright lighter onto the upright butane fuel tank and inject the lighter with a few quick bursts? Now if that doesn’t add some pressure to your lighter? I would start considering the fuel reservoir is damaged in some way or clogged? Try poking a needle gently into the fuel reservoir to clean out possible debris?
Let me know if this helps?
Thank you so much for the video
You are so welcome!
There is no AIR in this torch, it is BUTANE in gas form. The liquid Butane is in liquid form under pressure! It turns to a flammable gas as the torch is opened and that makes the liquid turn to gas at atmospheric pressure . You do not have to purge this torch, just fill with the butane supply. It may help to cool the torch and heat the supply with warm water if you want to fill the torch easier!
Thanks, I’ll have to try this out:) appreciate the advice!
If there is no air in the torch what was making that hissing noise? If the torch is used and some of the gas or fuel is used what is left in its place? I’d think air because otherwise I’d worry the can will implode from the pressure. I mean I’m no scientist and could be way wrong but that sounded like air to me. I never put air into a baby bottle but they sure seemed to get air in them so I’d think kinda the same way.
? I’m just trying to learn not cause trouble 😊
@@JulieAlexander9632 Any gas can make a hissing noise, not just air. What's making the noise is gaseous butane. It is compressed enough in there that it turns into a liquid, with the remaining volume being filled by gaseous butane. As you use the torch, what comes out is gaseous butane, the liquid inside is slowly depleted but as long as there is liquid in there the rest is always going to be butane, not empty space or air. Only when you no longer see the liquid does it mean that there is at best some residual fuel in a gaseous state, and as you release that too all that can happen is that the inside of the torch simply matches atmospheric pressure, so nothing can ever implode when dealing with this stuff.
poured liquid butane everywhere with this method! 👍
Sorry sir, every lighter is different. I feel your pain. I have a lighter that I purchased for $50 that has never worked for me….I just recently took it apart and one of the two burner hoses were disconnected! Lol
I tried and still doesn't work! I wonder if the Butane bottle is bad.
Or just an inferior brand perhaps?
I’ve also found that certain brands work better with particular lighters.
This could just be me;)
If the cab was shaken and you filled up your torch what should you do then? Cause now it’s not working😂
This isn’t meant to be gospel for every scenario; this is what has worked for me with my lighters and this particular fuel. You may have play with your lighter after refilling; ie your lighter may not light immediately after a refill, why? Well, it’s cold, so warm it up, then try lighting it.
My latest video is on a lighter that has never worked for me!
I took it apart and pulled a Jerry rig on it. Im not going to pretend this is optimal, but it’s cost effective ha!
@@SaskHunting what are u on about gospel for everything😂 buddy it was a simple question and I honestly answered it myself but I was high and wonder what u would do since your the one making videos on it lmaooo🤡
My torch won’t light anymore. Tried different fuel on same model torch and it doesnt work anymore. Wtf did I do wrong? Why am I killing torches and lighters ? Tried 3 different butane bottles
Mine doesn’t make noise when I try to let air out and it isn’t working even after I fill the torch ?? What am I doing wrong
This did not work for me at all. When i put the can in from the top everything came out and down on the torch and it was very cold air
You dont have to purge the lighter every fill, only when the lighter is running poorly. In your case, I would totally purge and start again.
Maybe review high school homework to understand phase changes?
how can I get this butane for my lighter pls send me the link thank you
Amazon
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Totally unrelated but this guy is definitely Canadian
Eh…
@@SaskHunting 😂😀
This is a good tutorial. However, maybe not test your torch so close to your can of Butane. 🤔🤕
I failed to mention, I’m slightly mentally handicapped at times…;)
Thank you so much you! saved my ass
You’re welcome sir:)
Lotus vs colibri?
Who knows? whatever a person has on had I guess:)
This feels like a weirdly complicated and confusing way to explain butane vapor pressure. You are calling it air, but that is just the gaseous butane. When you relieve that "air pressure" you are removing butane gas, and the liquid butane will eventually turn to gas and create pressure again. That will continue until you have no liquid. So you are simply reducing the pressure to add more liquid butane.
Thanks 😊
Welcome 😊
Can you add the part that tells me what do do when none of the butane goes in and just fucking sprays everywhere?
Incorrect size of nozzle for the receptacle? Or the tank is full of fuel or the tank is full of compressed gas, or there is an issue with the inner workings of the lighter?
@@SaskHunting yeah im just a dipshit i figured it out lol thank you
thats not how phisics work but a good tutorial =D
Ya, it’s what has worked for me in the past and may not work with every lighter:)
BUT, it’s an option!
You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no air in the lighter or can. There is butane in both a liquid and gas state. If not in a pressurized container at room temperature the liquid instantly evaporates. In a container a small amount evaporates pressurizing the container until no more can evaporate. Lighting the torch burns gas off the top, more liquid evaporates to keep the container pressurized. If you had the can right side up you could you could take the torch out of a freezer and gas would leave the top of the can and liquid would condense in the torch. It’s about temperature and pressure, purging the torch accomplishes nothing.
You are probably correct in your experience sir:)
I’m not saying to purge the lighter every time just for shits and giggles. Only when the lighter doesn’t want to fill or allow fuel into the tank when you know the lighter has no fuel in it. I’m going by my personal experience sir:)
Every lighter seems to have its own likes and dislikes? I have this lighter that has never worked for me and I ended up taking it apart and one of the hoses leading to the burner wasn’t attached lol go figure:)
@@SaskHuntingit's just simple physics if you cool the lighter when it doesn't want to take butane instead of purging just cool it down a bit too condense the gas and the lighter and lower the pressure. Thanks for the video reason i know all this is hvac same concept.
Thank you 😮
I think your information about the cans and shaking them introducing air and such is inaccurate. I'm pretty sure that butane itself is used as a propellant. That's why it maintains equal levels of pressure throughout its use. When pressure is relieved after continued refueling, the pressure in the can lessens therefore allowing more butane to vaporize therefore maintaining equal pressure. I dont think that shaking the can or leaving it upside for any period is going to have any different type of advantage or disadvantage. I could be wrong though I'm not physicist or chemist or butane torch maker. And I didn't come to argue or anything like that. Mainly just trying to be objective and understand the nature of torches and butane as I'm recently new to using a torch of this type. 😂 I will say that after I use my torch , I try to make sure it's as empty as possible, and I also try to keep the air purged both before refueling and before the first use after filling it up. It could be the torch I own but I did experience some spitting at higher pressures before realizing it needed purged. I just assumed the air came through the fill nozzle during the filling process though and not from inside the actual can itself.
Ya, you may be correct sir? I’m only going by what has work for me personally:)
If you want to have a real laugh you should watch my most recent video on fixing a defective lighter!
Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it:)
What air? If the torch is completely out of gas, and you hold the lighter valve open, it might be possible to equalize tank pressure with atmosphere. Thats the only way to introduce air into the lighter, and I would debate if that would even make a difference.
There is no air in the torch. What you see in the torch with the clear tank is butane liquid and butane gas. No air. The gas comes from the liquid butane depending on temperature. Warm up a can of butane and cool the lighter, it will fill it right up. As you use the lighter, oxygen is not being introduced into the butane torch. How can it get into the butane tank? it cant. Its not coming from the butane fuel can, thats all butane, no air. Purging is not how this works. You are not letting "air" escape. That is butane in gas form, plain and simple.
I’m only going by what the directions on this particular can of butane says to do:)
By no means am I claiming to be a professor of “lighter filling” ha! But, I’m claiming that this particular can of butane specifies in rule
#1 Release excess air from tank before refilling. Then it specifies. Please follow your lighter instruction manual.
#2 set flame adjuster to low.
#3 refill lighter in upside down position.
#4 warm lighter in hand for 10 seconds. Wait 2 minutes before lighting.
#5 reset flame to desired height.
You will notice the word “air” in the very first instruction.
It’s just a wording specifying it’s under pressure:)
I wish I could show a pic in the comments. I’ll post a video on the instructions I guess.
@@SaskHunting Ya know what? I just filled 8 new torches from Amazon, the manufacturers instructions said purge. I, being me, ignored that dumbness on all but the last torch. That's the one that correctly filled per manufacturers instructions. So I am eating my own words on this. BUT I still don't know where the air would come from.
Actually, the only thing it can be from is the liquid butane after it turns to a gas. And since the "air" or more specifically butane gas is compressible, that's the pressure fighting a complete fill of liquid butane. Not like that matters much, it's gonna go back to gas anyways before it can burn.
Purging a lighter makes absolutely no sense unless is brand new and never has had a charge before, the gas above the liquid is the same thing as the liquid, as you refill it will condense, if that isn't happening that means your refill tank might be too cold, warm it up a bit with your hands and cool your lighter that should fix the issue.
Correct sir, I don’t always purge the lighter; only when all else fails. Also I never purge the gas entirely, I just release some of the pressure. It’s just another method i use use if the lighter doesn’t want to ignite. Every lighter is slightly different. I’m constantly learning by trial and error sir:)
Great tips, Thank you Sask Hunting. Personally, I use high quality triple filtered Butane, Only $7 (in Australia) compared to $4 for the cheap Chinese stuff. The tiny nozzles in these torches can block/get dirty very easily and that can be a problem. A quality torch is worth looking after. Not to mention, you don't want it to fail when you really need it to work! 👍👍🦘🦘
Thank you sir:) The entire purpose of this video, was to make a quick vid to help the average Joe like myself; who wasn't a butane lighter scientist.
Filling torch with two philip heads on botton #37 blue large
"To light a cigar" LOL Yeeeeaaaahhhh...
;)
You're not releasing pressure, you're releasing butane gas. Butane is only liquid when it's under high pressure or extremely low temperatures, otherwise its a gas.
A clear misunderstanding of physics. Butane boils at room temp so you can never "purge" the "air" (actually propane). Absurd.
Ohhh another self grandizing, "I'm super smart cuz I know middle school physics and I use it regularly to bash people over the head with my knowledge and my condescending undertones"
😂😂😂😂 I bet this guy has hair tho, can't wear your 8th grade knowledge on a date!
Thanks, but I accidentally burnt off all of my hair due to "purging" the "air" out of my lighter! lol
it worked
Good to hear!
Another bogus video devoid of facts. How does everyone propose that AIR gets in a butane torch? Someone missed that day in physics class. Other than a tiny amount that may get in when fully emptied, all of the pressure in a lighter or torch is caused by the vapor pressure of BUTANE. If you let some pressure out, it is immediately replaced by any butane going from liquid to gaseous state inside. Run it until it is empty, then refill it.
Whew! Well good thing there's aholes like you out there tracking every butane torch refill video to bequeath the world with all your "accurate" and self-grandizing opinions.
Because we’re not all smart like you. It’s not that serious pal. Vapor pressure…Air - same difference. We all know what the hell he meant you grumpy ding dong.
Obviously you're an asshole. If you've ever used a lighter like this, you would know they do build a pressure inside the tank and they do need to be bled once in awhile. It's better to look stupid in a corner than open your mouth and prove it which you just did
When you say with emphasis, "butane" you mean liquid butane, which is not a gas. It is a liquid.
So dont purge but purge? You are confusing.
I know right ha!
If your lighter isn’t running efficiently try purging it, if it’s running smoothly, don’t purge. Don’t try and fix what’s not broken;)
The "gas" in the fuel tank is butane, not air. There is no reason to purge butane gas from the tank.
Correct sir, but I’m just reiterating what the directions on the butane container stipulate. They call it “air” for lack of a better word. I think they use “air” to simplify the procedure process and not to confuse the customer with formality?
I’m actually surprised at the amount of people getting bent at this minor issue.
@@SaskHunting"Air" isn't an appropriate word to use when referring to butane gas.
Why bring up the concept of purging at all?
Maybe because they're in the business of selling you more butane?
I couldn't do anything but laugh because I understand what he's saying but it's not a ketchup up bottle 🍾😅
Ha;)
I run live steam model trains off butane this is a load of ...... the only thing that is going to make a real difference is going with a higher reviewed gas one that doesn't have multiple people complaining about sediment clogging the gas chamber passageways . the gas is the propellant that pushes itself out of the chamber because butane is like a warmer boiling propane it starts in the liquid form and evaporates to take up the available space with more liquid butane at the bottom of the can unevaporated it's not like diesel,kerosene,gasoline,naptha,white gas,oil,alcohols that needs a wick,pump or pressurized tank with an inert gas to move it to the burner de pressuring is only wasting fuel i have done actual research on this subject to try different fuels and design different boilers for my models
Thanks for the heads up sir!
Appreciate it:)
@@SaskHunting your welcome
I tried it on mine, and no luck for me. My lighter must be resistant to this solution. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Thank you bro!
No problem sir:)
There is no air, that is only butane vapor. At 14 psi environment, you can't force that into a tank that has higher pressure. All "purging" is doing is releasing butane. And you keep saying gas when you mean liquid.
Yes sir, I’m only reiterating what the actual butane container stipulates in its directions:) the refer to it as “air” I’m assuming it’s to not complicate the directions for the average user with semantics? Who knows
You want the gas? to settle? You mean liquid butane inside the container to be at the bottom.
Get a life razam83
I once asked a guy "What time is it"? He proceeded to tell me how to build a watch over the next 5 minutes. Are you the guy?
Totally understand sir, you should see the look on my wife’s face when I’m telling a story!
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I've noticed near the end of the video you lighted up your lighter next to the butane containers!..That was a very dumb and unsafe thing to do!..You're lucky these containers didn't explode on your face!..
You are not wrong Sir! But me no good with common sense :)
@SaskHunting stop feeding the trolls who are clearly only here to leave their negative vibes all over those of us just trying to exist .... I'm wondering about all the many many stupid things this troll has ever done in their life that probably makes yours seem pretty LOL.......
no good. Could not get any fuel in the torch
I’m sorry this didn’t work out for you; trust me when I say not all lighters are created equally! Play around with it, take it apart and inspect the hoses, try another fuel etc.
or you have a broken lighter!
I have one that has never worked for me!
Still doesn’t fill
I hear you sir, I feel your pain. I’m sorry this didn’t help you.