@@roadtrain_ exactly it feels like they are truly neutral not really against anyone but not working with anyone either they simply have a goal and they will achieve it no matter the consequences
That Dep hang was so convenient, they made a mistake, didn't know about loss of defense N3, last trial and got hung without revealing that jackal target was fake. Just usual Tuba plot armor tbh.
Games like these are why I love inquisitor and wish it replaced Exe in regular ToS. You *can* play both sides, there's times where evils want your help, there's times where town wants your help, and of course there's all the deception involved too. It's fun to have a true neutral role! Especially with extra factions to cooperate with! So many opportunities for fun situations, it's great!
@@grubbygeorge2117 Hey that's fair! It definitely has its moments, I just find that when it's played "optimally" it's very boring. You hard push day 2, if it's an exe town still removes an evil from the game and the odds aren't bad for the exe to get another one, so they follow the push even if it's sus. If you play exe for longer games it's fun, though Inquisitor takes a similar concept and forces you to stick around for the long haul!
@@karalyzel3177 Are hard d2 pushes really optimal? I've always had better results taking it slow. If you hard push and the person is something easily confirmable, you just lost the game on the spot.
@@grubbygeorge2117 less players you have, more confirmed they get, unless you get lucky and snipe an evil... and even in that situation, it can easily be an evil win, and they most likely wont sacrifice a teammember, lol. but also a lot of people are impatient and rather... not smart, so zergrush often works cuz of that.
Still the Inqius claim does kinda tell Pandora they have a recruit there and to try and weed them out for when it’s safe to out the rec. And an outted Inquisitor can just be Psy fodder to use to find town members on good visions.
Killing inquisitor early is sometimes not a good idea for town. Town needs pandora/apoc/coven to start dying and the nature of Inquisitor means the evils can be targeted. If town wastes an early hang on roles like Inq, it gives the said evil factions that breath of fresh air to get vote parity with town, specially if they have access to Conj/Jinx/doomsday- mechanics
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo That is a legitimate use of Inquisitor since they're an outed target. It's perfectly acceptable for you to take them out as TK to prove yourself.
This was one of my unluckiest sc games Lost a soul N1 to adm so we didnt get death and famine together, then on the night i would transform, i die to an inq who didnt even have me as target Admittedly, I realised after that i could have told you 9 was banshee, then claimed jackal or something as i transformed Was a close game tho, ggs
Jackal had a play, the problem is that they trusted Tuba on being the Inq target. The idea was to get the Inq to help them mislynch, then take out the Jackal. 8 players, minus inq and jackal and a mislynch makes 5, their coven convert kills and now it's a 2v2 Jackal & Inquisitor win! Here's the flaws in their plan, I don't believe they understood that Inq loses their vanquish when they get a non-heretic (or assumed the SC was a heretic), and of course it relied on trusting that the Inquisitor wasn't lying about the Jackal target but the coven one.
@@karalyzel3177they only listed Banshee as a Heretic in Pandora. That should have shown SC wasn’t a Heretic and as such Inquis lost their Vanquishes when they killed them
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo Doesn't only Inquisitor get feedback on if a heretic perishes? Tuba lied in part, and on average Inquisitor has 2 town it's pretty normal for them to lie when caught out. From the Jackal's point of view what reason was there for the Inquisitor to vanquish the Soul Collector, it's quite unusual for them to just guess with a vanquish. It was a long shot for sure, but with one of their converts outed by the coroner it was all they had.
I must inquire, this inquiry of a game where this inquisitor inquired 2 townies and a coven, while being inquisited by a force to inquire in become a town is inquiring, isn't it?
I was 9. I got so far, but yet so close to that sweet dub... i worked my ass off that game, and 10 being super toxic at the end there REALLY pissed me off. if i didnt whisper 7 and he outted baker town would have lost. Recruit was breaded, and i would have made it a 2 v 2 with pois dead, i could have probally won due to me having book. There is a reason you NEVER let any evil-aligned roles live, EVER
someone else said something interesting, its a bad idea for town to lynch Inquisitor due to evils having more breathing room to gain maj. if Town didnt let him live, then thats means another rec Banshee kill, Poisoner poisoning, Baker breading, SC getting souls, rec Psychic and the Jackal vibing, 6 evils with Inq down and 2 town dead and 1 dying with no leads on pandora. 6 v 6, evils have majority. It's likely Pandora could've just quickly won while recruits and jackal loses due to Baker or Death. I know you had book but what if Poisoner hit your recruit, if he wasnt healed, you'd both die, Jackal would start killing. Baker or Death probably wins for Pandora unless Jackal kills them both. either way it was unlikely for Jackals to win with Inquisitor dead, and would likely snowball into a Pandora victory. It was in best interest for Town to keep Inquisitor around to try and guess lynch someone else, and for Inq to be telling the truth and hunting for pandora and jackal (which funnily enough, would've erased all of Jackal if true) both Jackal and Pandora wanted Inq gone due to A. Pandora not knowing you're recruit yet, and B. cause your death would've caused it to be solo Jackal, and he'd be 'hunting' for him next, unless Jackal kills him instead of Pandora or town. Town made a good choice keeping Inq around as it helped lower pandora's numbers. It's a shame you got outed by Coroner which actually fucked you over.
@@woobgamer5210 yeah thats fair. I do want to remind you however that more often then not Inquis has 2+ town targets. Inquises will lie and it can screw you over. Im mainly still pissed about 10’s toxicity towards me for no frikking reason. Even afther the game he continued and when i called him out on stream he barely apoligized… Man
Ik it's kinda random but I think I figured out an actually reasonable buff to Coroner. Allow it to check two people at once to determine if one of them is the killer. That way, it can cover the list twice as fast while still allowing evils some breathing room as this Coroner cannot catch them with 100% probability.
Just started this videos, trying to wrap my head around the new roles, but then I see inq.. heretics.. and memories started flooding in of Throne of Lies, before the game died from devs horrible, stupid, idiotic decisions 😂
I wouldn't even call that a fuckup. The banshee was outed by the coroner. Trying to make a deal with another neutral to get the win for your faction is a decent idea. Especially with the chance the inquisitor was lying to save themself. That situation was basically a loss unless you got someone to misplay or made a deal but this situation was just completely unwinnable.
The Jackal tried to make a Jackals+Inq 4v4 , but Inq already claimed to have Banshee, one of the outed Recruits, and him, as a Heretic While it was a lie about the jackal being the target target, killing the recruits still means a 20% Chance the real target also dies
Jackal had a play, the problem is that they trusted Tuba on being the Inq target. The idea was to get the Inq to help them mislynch, then take out the Jackal. 8 players, minus inq and jackal and a mislynch makes 5, their coven convert kills and now it's a 2v2 Jackal & Inquisitor win! Here's the flaws in their plan, I don't believe they understood that Inq loses their vanquish when they get a non-heretic (or assumed the SC was a heretic), and of course it relied on trusting that the Inquisitor wasn't lying about the Jackal target but the coven one. This wasn't a throw, it was a calculated risk that wasn't communicated effectively and assumed the key variable.
Honest Inq : Always gots hung Liar Inq : Gets away from lynch Its obvious u lied cuz u delayed it so much But i definetly need to buy plot armor from the plot armor shop you are shopping,it definetly works
That means they're claiming Deputy. In BToS2 Deputy can only shoot people which appear sus to the Sheriff and don't have defense. In all other cases it misses.
Even if you are their Heretic, they can't kill you directly. They have to convince town to vote you, which can buy a day for your recruits to live. I don't know why they decided to claim it in this game, but there is at least one scenario where it could be beneficial to you, I guess.
@@CH-wn4letrue. Inquisitior’s Vanqiushes are Basic attacks and Jackal has permanent Basic Defense so Jackal won’t ever die to Inqius without a bug happening
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it seems people keep forgetting or ignore the fact inq is one of those role where they will do anything to win and they have the ability to do so
They a true NE: Evil to EVERYONE. It's why I like TOS 2 exe over TOS 1 exe: TOS 2 exe is a true NE and can screw over anyone, not just town.
@@roadtrain_ exactly it feels like they are truly neutral not really against anyone but not working with anyone either they simply have a goal and they will achieve it no matter the consequences
@@noahthesk Hence why I feel they should get renamed neutral chaos and neutral pariah should become neutral evil.
YES IT SURE DOES SEEM LIKE THEY IGNORE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN LIE HUH (hi, poisoner here!! a little salty about this game!!)
@@BreadLover-ts2cp I mean honestly it seems kind of obvious the inquisitor would lie just to save them selves or at least buy more time
Nobody expects the... townie inquisition?
Nobody expects the plot armor
The two things they never expect: a Town Inquisitor, and a Famine!
Wait I remember your pfp, I it like a storymaking game ?
@@CH-wn4le*Laughs in Salem Inquisition*
That Dep hang was so convenient, they made a mistake, didn't know about loss of defense N3, last trial and got hung without revealing that jackal target was fake.
Just usual Tuba plot armor tbh.
Sometimes the real townies were the inquisitors we inno'd along the way
Games like these are why I love inquisitor and wish it replaced Exe in regular ToS. You *can* play both sides, there's times where evils want your help, there's times where town wants your help, and of course there's all the deception involved too. It's fun to have a true neutral role! Especially with extra factions to cooperate with! So many opportunities for fun situations, it's great!
Replaced? No. Have both of them in the game? Maybe. I love exe I don't want it gone :(
@@grubbygeorge2117 Hey that's fair! It definitely has its moments, I just find that when it's played "optimally" it's very boring. You hard push day 2, if it's an exe town still removes an evil from the game and the odds aren't bad for the exe to get another one, so they follow the push even if it's sus. If you play exe for longer games it's fun, though Inquisitor takes a similar concept and forces you to stick around for the long haul!
@@karalyzel3177its like pirate, but good.
@@karalyzel3177 Are hard d2 pushes really optimal? I've always had better results taking it slow. If you hard push and the person is something easily confirmable, you just lost the game on the spot.
@@grubbygeorge2117 less players you have, more confirmed they get, unless you get lucky and snipe an evil... and even in that situation, it can easily be an evil win, and they most likely wont sacrifice a teammember, lol. but also a lot of people are impatient and rather... not smart, so zergrush often works cuz of that.
I love that the Psy was defending you because you could allow them to confirm Townies.
It's a great way to convince town to leave you alone.
Still the Inqius claim does kinda tell Pandora they have a recruit there and to try and weed them out for when it’s safe to out the rec.
And an outted Inquisitor can just be Psy fodder to use to find town members on good visions.
13 saying "Cause 14 is tuba and tuba has plot armor" in 14:00 LFMAO
Killing inquisitor early is sometimes not a good idea for town.
Town needs pandora/apoc/coven to start dying and the nature of Inquisitor means the evils can be targeted.
If town wastes an early hang on roles like Inq, it gives the said evil factions that breath of fresh air to get vote parity with town, specially if they have access to Conj/Jinx/doomsday- mechanics
@@riastlin2891 I wouldn’t Kill Inqius off unless it was to confirm my killing role as town
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo That is a legitimate use of Inquisitor since they're an outed target.
It's perfectly acceptable for you to take them out as TK to prove yourself.
This was one of my unluckiest sc games
Lost a soul N1 to adm so we didnt get death and famine together, then on the night i would transform, i die to an inq who didnt even have me as target
Admittedly, I realised after that i could have told you 9 was banshee, then claimed jackal or something as i transformed
Was a close game tho, ggs
12 can yell all they want about Inquisitor lying about their heretics, but they outed themselves so bad with how they pushed you.
12:38 what did the jackal expect when banshee is a heretic
And worst part is, as far as they were concerned, they themself were also a heretic because tuba said jackal was heretic instead of dep.
Jackal had a play, the problem is that they trusted Tuba on being the Inq target. The idea was to get the Inq to help them mislynch, then take out the Jackal. 8 players, minus inq and jackal and a mislynch makes 5, their coven convert kills and now it's a 2v2 Jackal & Inquisitor win!
Here's the flaws in their plan, I don't believe they understood that Inq loses their vanquish when they get a non-heretic (or assumed the SC was a heretic), and of course it relied on trusting that the Inquisitor wasn't lying about the Jackal target but the coven one.
@@karalyzel3177they only listed Banshee as a Heretic in Pandora.
That should have shown SC wasn’t a Heretic and as such Inquis lost their Vanquishes when they killed them
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo Doesn't only Inquisitor get feedback on if a heretic perishes? Tuba lied in part, and on average Inquisitor has 2 town it's pretty normal for them to lie when caught out.
From the Jackal's point of view what reason was there for the Inquisitor to vanquish the Soul Collector, it's quite unusual for them to just guess with a vanquish.
It was a long shot for sure, but with one of their converts outed by the coroner it was all they had.
@@karalyzel3177 Only the Inquisitor knows when Heretics die or if they murdered a non Heretic. So Jackal just Assumed The SC was heretic probs
I vanish... This random unlucky soul collector for existing!
What are the freakin odds that the Fake Heretic and the real are both recs
I must inquire, this inquiry of a game where this inquisitor inquired 2 townies and a coven, while being inquisited by a force to inquire in become a town is inquiring, isn't it?
The Salem Inquisition has called for some ANTICS and Tuba Answered the call.
I was 9.
I got so far, but yet so close to that sweet dub...
i worked my ass off that game, and 10 being super toxic at the end there REALLY pissed me off. if i didnt whisper 7 and he outted baker town would have lost. Recruit was breaded, and i would have made it a 2 v 2 with pois dead, i could have probally won due to me having book.
There is a reason you NEVER let any evil-aligned roles live, EVER
someone else said something interesting, its a bad idea for town to lynch Inquisitor due to evils having more breathing room to gain maj. if Town didnt let him live, then thats means another rec Banshee kill, Poisoner poisoning, Baker breading, SC getting souls, rec Psychic and the Jackal vibing, 6 evils with Inq down and 2 town dead and 1 dying with no leads on pandora. 6 v 6, evils have majority. It's likely Pandora could've just quickly won while recruits and jackal loses due to Baker or Death. I know you had book but what if Poisoner hit your recruit, if he wasnt healed, you'd both die, Jackal would start killing. Baker or Death probably wins for Pandora unless Jackal kills them both.
either way it was unlikely for Jackals to win with Inquisitor dead, and would likely snowball into a Pandora victory.
It was in best interest for Town to keep Inquisitor around to try and guess lynch someone else, and for Inq to be telling the truth and hunting for pandora and jackal (which funnily enough, would've erased all of Jackal if true)
both Jackal and Pandora wanted Inq gone due to A. Pandora not knowing you're recruit yet, and B. cause your death would've caused it to be solo Jackal, and he'd be 'hunting' for him next, unless Jackal kills him instead of Pandora or town.
Town made a good choice keeping Inq around as it helped lower pandora's numbers. It's a shame you got outed by Coroner which actually fucked you over.
@@woobgamer5210 Yeah, it's pretty much best to leave the Inquisitor alone, lest you give Pandora an easy snowball to victory as Jackal.
@@woobgamer5210 yeah thats fair. I do want to remind you however that more often then not Inquis has 2+ town targets. Inquises will lie and it can screw you over.
Im mainly still pissed about 10’s toxicity towards me for no frikking reason. Even afther the game he continued and when i called him out on stream he barely apoligized… Man
And I thought this role couldnt be swapped by CS. Thats right, we know you were secretly Town Cs.
Deputy read 7 like a book but 7 had defense very unfortunate.
13:54 I see a murder drones fan {Cyn has died, the callback pings have stopped}
Ik it's kinda random but I think I figured out an actually reasonable buff to Coroner. Allow it to check two people at once to determine if one of them is the killer. That way, it can cover the list twice as fast while still allowing evils some breathing room as this Coroner cannot catch them with 100% probability.
Thats not plot armor, but the ability to manipulate people.. Not many people can survive this situation
T O W N I N Q U I S I T O R
Tuba is the friendliest inquisitor.
8:54 love that role
Night chat was going crazy lmao
to me, this would have been even better if somehow an actual townie became CS and then they stole inq and won like that
dude i mean without inq killing soul collector they easily couldve lost that game
Just started this videos, trying to wrap my head around the new roles, but then I see inq.. heretics.. and memories started flooding in of Throne of Lies, before the game died from devs horrible, stupid, idiotic decisions 😂
Why did Jackal do that? That seems like throwing, unless they know they can’t save their recruits.
jackal fucked up is all. not every mistake is throwing.
I wouldn't even call that a fuckup. The banshee was outed by the coroner. Trying to make a deal with another neutral to get the win for your faction is a decent idea. Especially with the chance the inquisitor was lying to save themself. That situation was basically a loss unless you got someone to misplay or made a deal but this situation was just completely unwinnable.
The Jackal tried to make a Jackals+Inq 4v4 , but Inq already claimed to have Banshee, one of the outed Recruits, and him, as a Heretic
While it was a lie about the jackal being the target target, killing the recruits still means a 20% Chance the real target also dies
Jackal had a play, the problem is that they trusted Tuba on being the Inq target. The idea was to get the Inq to help them mislynch, then take out the Jackal. 8 players, minus inq and jackal and a mislynch makes 5, their coven convert kills and now it's a 2v2 Jackal & Inquisitor win!
Here's the flaws in their plan, I don't believe they understood that Inq loses their vanquish when they get a non-heretic (or assumed the SC was a heretic), and of course it relied on trusting that the Inquisitor wasn't lying about the Jackal target but the coven one. This wasn't a throw, it was a calculated risk that wasn't communicated effectively and assumed the key variable.
9 was outed by Coroner anyway so it didn't matter, he had to rely on Inquisitor tying it up and killing HIM.
Honest Inq : Always gots hung
Liar Inq : Gets away from lynch
Its obvious u lied cuz u delayed it so much
But i definetly need to buy plot armor from the plot armor shop you are shopping,it definetly works
This happened yesterday LOL
I'm confuse why did Jackal out himself when Inq said that they had Jackal as a heretic? Can someone eplain?
I will refrain from commenting as to not incriminate myself but this was a bit infuriating :)
what does it mean when someone misses their shot in day time?
That means they're claiming Deputy. In BToS2 Deputy can only shoot people which appear sus to the Sheriff and don't have defense. In all other cases it misses.
@@fireball54110 oh, thanks for the info
@@Anigril Also non town Deputies only check for Defense to see if their shot misses and the deputy’s identity is not revealed.
Is tuba ok now that he’s on the list?
what does inquisitor do?
Why would you claim jackal to an inquisitor claim who said jackal was heretic?
Even if you are their Heretic, they can't kill you directly. They have to convince town to vote you, which can buy a day for your recruits to live. I don't know why they decided to claim it in this game, but there is at least one scenario where it could be beneficial to you, I guess.
@@CH-wn4letrue. Inquisitior’s Vanqiushes are Basic attacks and Jackal has permanent Basic Defense so Jackal won’t ever die to Inqius without a bug happening
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