Dave Smith VS Vaush HEATED DEBATE On Ukraine, NATO, Nuclear War
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- Ryan and Emily are joined by Dave Smith and Vaush to debate Ukraine, NATO and the risk of nuclear war.
Vaush: / @vaush
Dave Smith: ComicDaveSmith?re...
Timestamps:
(00:00)Intro
(1:07)Should America continue funding Ukraine?
(39:02)How should this war end?
(59:36)NATO
(1:12:30)EoS
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Why invite Vaush? We’re debating foreign policy not age of consent
😂
LMAO! I was just thinking the same thing. Search that man's laptop.
What does the "age of consent" line refer to? Is he a "map" or something?
@@timbarry5080 Man has dreams of grapping lolis with horse parts.
Or debating if kiddie porn should be illegal.
To call Vaush a pseudointellectual is an insult to pseudointellectuals.
Some of the finest people I know are pseudointellectuals
@@gefiltefist2088 The Best and the White-ist
Name calling is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
LOL
That's brilliant bumpkin
I came to the comments to troll some Vaush supporters and, sadly, there are none.
I pray Vaush is the first American drafted if it comes to that.
Vaush is so cringe to me.
It’s like he’s a can that is brought in for everyone to meet up. Tim Pool took him to school. Wasn’t he on the whatever program? If that was him he got wrecked there too. I don’t remember exactly but I seem to get wrecked at least two or three times. The dude is a borderline pedophile, and all his thinking at least that is disgusting anyhow
Video has been out for 8 minutes lets atleast hear out the guys delusional take.
@@Screaming-Beeswhen he says that the USA does not make decisions based on what could increase its geopolitical power I had to know tk never take anything the days seriously because he doesn’t live in reality
@@Screaming-Bees
We don't need to. He literally is into lolicon and other degenerate things
@@Screaming-Beesvaush is a fool.
Vaush should never be taken in good faith on any topic except children's anime
Or goblins
He mistook those children for short stack goblin creatures
Agreed.
I heard he knows a lot about horses as well.
@@zarbins you got it all wrong, he identifies as a horse as he imagines himself railing kids. This makes it completely okay
I with Dave on this one. Vaush seems to parrot the MSM BS, in my view.
As far as I understand, the Soviets didn't start flirting with Cuba just to antagonize the US. Their involvement with Cuba was also a reaction to the mid range missile installment in Turkey which Soviets perceived as a direct threat and the Soviets just wanted to install their own pawn in the Western hemisphere in order to either have a parity of the mid-range missile strike capability or to trade it for the removal of the threat from Turkey. The latter came to fruition and the Soviets effectively played their Cuban "Pawn". It was also a reaction and not a proactive provocation on the part of the Soviets.
That's a right one.
people tend to not talk about turkiye...
It's also not relevant to Ukraine.
The US isn't trying to install nukes in Ukraine. If it wanted to do so, the US would just put them in the baltics which already border Russia.
Nevermind the fact thay Nuke technology has evolved and no longer relies on proximity to your enemy as it did in the 60s.
yeah bc Russia was looking to *invade* Turkey. They took Moldova, Georgia, Crimea, and currently Ukraine as they look to invade throughout Europe. Turkey is a buffer zone between Russia and the Middle East, of course we were going to arm it to prevent an invasion. Do you not understand anything about geopolitics? And you seriously think that the Bay of Pigs wasn't a "provocation"? Keep defending Russia, Vatnik
The sparks that began the Cuban revolution had nothing to do with the Soviet Union and everything to do with US imperialism and the gangster colonialists and compradors ruling Cuba. Castro was not even a communist, circumstances turned him into one organically and he reached out to the USSR, not the other way around. People call the Soviet Union an empire because they don’t understand Marxism and don’t understand that when USSR went abroad, they were losing money, not making money. Empires are parasites, the USSR was the opposite whether you agree with them or not
Why do you have Vaush on here .
Guys just give me a call next time.
He's been caught looking at some very questionable pictures. Has said some extremely worrisome things. I wouldn't allow him close to my kids.
Why do they have Dave Smith on here? His arguments are moronic.
@@martinsriber7760 😂😂🤣🤣All his arguments? ;)
@@martinsriber7760 Perhaps you could name one.
WHAT is VAUSH DOING HERE? Stop wasting Dave's time.
Vaush
📂 📂 📂
"Ahhhh!"
"I'm a size queen"
Vaush is a PDF file.
Vaush sucks etc but you are low IQ if you think dave is an intellectual giant
He took money from one of blackrocks subsidiaries, so that gives him the right to stooge for them 😛
Dave has plenty of time to waste I assure you 😂😂
You can't bring up missiles in Cuba without bringing up missiles in Turkey.
yes he can if Dave is too dumb to bring it up
Amen
Vaush is out of his depth.
All the time
Straight to comments.
😂 💯
😂😂😂
Not disappointed in the least
Exactly! 😂
Same. Confirmed, I am not crazy.
Note: Pre- Bay of Pigs the US placed nukes in Turkey aimed at Russia. Ultimately, behind the scenes, Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed that the US would remove nukes and the Soviet Union would withdraw. Stipulation was the agreement never be made public.
Beat it, nerd. We're talking about Vaush's 'tax' folder.
@edwardtora
Even though what that guy said was true and relevant, I stand by your response!
There's a time for "facting" and there's time for "vaushing" 😅😅😅
@@edwardtora 😂😂❤️
@@alanbeam7187 I would normally be jumping on that too. I was just so pissed off about EVERYTHING today.
@@edwardtora 😂😂I’ll join you for a proper Vaush bashing next time! Was just really bent out of shape today.
allowing dave smith to assault vaush like this should be considered a crime against a disabled person
Only a disabled person would suggest to leave NATO and give Russia annexed regions of Ukraine
Ur coping, vaush destroyed him
I don’t agree with Vaush on everything but he is correct on his defense of western support for Ukraine. I’ve never heard of this Dave Smith but he is obviously ignorant of history. Libertarians are the Jehovahs Witnesses of politics. They operate in a utopian fantasy world. Russia is a terrorist state. America doesn’t kowtow to tin pot dictators. You can’t allow Putin to do as he wishes just because of their nuclear arsenal. The Cold War never ended. It evolved. Regardless of what they call themselves or what economic system they employ Russia is a rogue authoritarian state. Dave Smith is full of shit.
@@corneliuspildershmidt lol, just look at vaush's first argument
paraphrasing:
we shouldnt reward a nation for invading other nation, we shouldnt regard the history of the conflict, lets just look at that specific moment and action
not looking back at the history of something is just blatantly stupid, it's like punishing the kid for defending himself against a bully -- you'd be the dumb*** teacher punishing the victim instead of the bully
root cause analysis is a real thing
@corneliuspildershmidt How?
Vaush is oversimplifying the situation. Seems disingenuous.
Dave is straight up delusional
Vaush is awful
Not as awful as the thicc, short-stacked goblins he's into
Dave wouldn't fuck you.
So no counter points?
@@atheistmecca971 C'mon, man....
@atheistmecca971 My counter points are fuck l*licon. That's my counter point.
Vaush sucks
Funny how Russia's expansionist aims started riiiiight after a US backed coup. Weird they took Crimea with the Russian Black Sea Fleet so soon after Neuland's 'F the EU' phone call.
Afraid of a legit debater to go against Dave? Don't feel like less of a person when you're idea are challenged
@@billsny9243😂 butthurt?
hard
"do you have a peer reviewed study for that?" - Vaush probably
It's great that Vaush's entire challenge to Dave was to suggest a solution to bring an end to the war, Dave does that, and Vaush immediately dismisses it as "silly internet rhetoric" lol
Why is vaush on here at all? Lost a lot of respect for you guys with this one ...
Vaush is proof that you don't have to be smart to be a nerd
Hahaha that's gold
They’re called dweebs
Wow, what poignant critic.....
He isn't even a nerd
There is no fat on that zing. Well done
Vaush is like a naive child who actually believes what our government says about foreign affairs.
"But why would the government lie to us !" say's every normie.
except for palestine. He's a liberal anti-imperialist.
if you side with Ukraine & Palestine: liberal lib-t4rd anti imperialism
Ukraine & Israel: dog of the US empire
Russia & Palestine: based third worldist
Russia & Israel: dangerous psychopath
He makes no good or truthful points, buys into Western lies-he stinks!
So can a naive child consent
I've been fairly sure for years he's a CIA asset. This guy's online presence needs to be snuffed out.
Im surprised that Vaush didnt bring up the point that Ukraine surrendered their Nuclear weapons :
"In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders."
This whole thing is a mess, but i am baffled Dave cant understand why some may be reticent to make another deal.
That treaty was broken by both the US and Ukraine long before Russian military operation. Ukraine violated it's neutrality (which was in their constitution as a part of the treaty) by applying to NATO in 2008, also in 2014 by changing the constitution. US violated it by sending armaments and building CIA cells on Russsian borders since 2014 (read NYT article). Imagine thinking you have to (as a Russia) abide by that treaty while that country is building hostile military infrastruture on your borders hahaha. And please, don't even bring Crimea. Crimea was an autonome republic with it's own president and had ttreaties with Russia about military presence (up to tenths of thousands troops). The entire "referendum was fake because of soldiers" narrative is a lie.
@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721 Dude you're only reinforcing my point lol
Vaush is that kid who views all the participant ribbons he received in grade school as a confirmation of his prowess. A nice voice and expansive vocabulary are not a substitute for intelligence.
I don't believe that to be true he is intelligent in a sense for sure with regards to a couple different types of intelligence. There's a myriad ways folks can be bright or call him overall unintelligent isn't quite true. There's at least 2 or 3 types of intelligence he displayed here that are of a pretty decent quality
@@jacktheleper4468 if you're a long time viewer of Vaush, you'll notice something about Vaush is not right.
Him saying "I don't know" a lot of times after he made his claim on certain topics is very amature for "intellectual social commentator"
And he is very arrogant when it comes to foregin issues because he talks like he knows everything about foregin nations(but he'll always say "I don't know again".)
No, he just likes kids. He's actually an adult, believe it or not.
You think this guy did any homework?
Why is Dave running from Destiny?
MFing Vaush? Really???
What?
@@firefly9838he's a subscriber of queer theory he doesn't believe in age of consent and has been found in possession of CP
@@firefly9838 The dude is super creepy, he defends pedophiles and is pretty suspect himself. I have no idea why he is anywhere
@@firefly9838PDF ile suspect and admittedly fantasies about graping people in horse form
@@snidleywlash2448 Almost every time there is a Vaush "controversy" it's completely fabricated or twisted from contorting context. His opinions are often cringe, but that's usually where it stops.
Vaush would strike me as a fed if he wasn't so cringe
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Oh he is definitely a fed.
Somebody paid for that new studio.
Isnt his dad a fed?
@@LongDefiant he has lived there like 7 years, before he had much of a following at all. Wouldn't make sense he is a fed.
@@firefly9838 I used to listen to him years ago before he got big. Something changed. He became someone's tool.
Why we didn't hear these debates from the US side before and after the war in Iraq.
Saying you don't like the term throwing while your biggest analogy is a hail mary is pretty funny
Vaush just kept forcing Dave to talk about modern events and not historic context and list every hypothetical "what if" we stop endlessly funding a war, all the while saying he had no solution of his own. This strategy much like Ukraine, won't be a winner.
@@nicholaslee3752 he really want talking about modern events. Just wanted to mention his hypothetical what he wanted in the end of the world. Dave was talking about historical events to explain why it's not as easy to just say Ukraine you get your land back and Russia you get trade
The bearded guy sounds like an apologist for the State Dept. 😂
he is literally a breadtuber and takes money from the state to push narratives like the clotshot.
He is!
Vaush is an arch neocon.
Bingo.
He's a commie.
Vaush is delusional.
He's essentially a Beverly Hills neoliberal larping as a communist.
Pandering to his know nothing audience and his own liberal proclivities.
In what way?
@@Albasternin the way that he'll say anything and never stand on principals, which he has openly admitted to.
@Albastern Uh, maybe the fact he says we should support Ukraine when it has nothing to do with us. If you're in so in for Ukraine then go volunteer otherwise shut up and stop telling others who don't want to risk their lives in nuclear war what we need to support.
I love how every commentator is making some snarky remark about Vaush instead of the substance matter.
Dave’s entire framing of this war is dishonest and frankly, lazy. NATO this nato that, instead of looking at Russia and Luti no for what they are, he babies them like they’re poor wittle innocent victim of nato aggression that they just had to forced their way into Ukraine? Lmao
Because you don’t even need to listen to vaush to dismiss him. I don’t really care about a pedophiles opinion on Ukraine
Vaush: Let’s talk about what to do now.
Vaush: I have no solutions for the current situation, only pipe dreams.
Vaush: let’s hear your solution.
Vaush: your solution sucks, oh year, but I still don’t have one.
Vaush: all nations are
Expansionist, and expansion is inevitable.
Vaush: I want peace in Ukraine, and no peace deal, because a war might break out in two years.
Vaush: Russia is primitive (meanwhile Nordstream is one of the most sophisticated energy highways in the world.. whoops, was.)
Dave Smith is not just on another level, he's light years ahead.
Have Dave go head-to-head with someone on the caliber of Noam Chomsky or Henry Kissinger, not doofus-level trolls.
@@MythwrightWorkshopBot
Kissinger is dead.
“Just have the United States leave NATO” 🙃 some real “light years ahead” stuff right there…
Obviously he's a comedian and must be joking. @Gobbldeegoo1
@@ksaw2090I don't know if he was lol
How exactly is Vaush an expert on this subject? Weird guest choice
He’s spent many minutes reading Wikipedia articles and debating other people who read a few Wikipedia articles. He basically has a PHD
And the internet libertarian/stand up comedian is?
Neither one is an expert.
And Dave Smith is? What're his qualifications? I mean I like Dave Smith and all. But what makes him an expert on anything? He's been pretty good on Israel, to me at least. But everything else is subjective to a point
How is dave an expert
Remember when presidential debates had discussions like this instead of incoherent babbling about golf and other nonsense?
Exactly!
Yeah we just need more pdf files like vaush to babble about his feelings
@@r3dcoat397pdf files is amazing lmao
lmao all the triggered conservatives throwing tantrums in the comments
Vaush is a super creep.
Why do you need to put him down Just because you don't agree with him and I agree with Dave!!! Grow up!!
@@FeliDae26 .... no.. he's making a separate point. Vaush is a creep. Yes, that doesn't say anything about his arguments.
@@FeliDae26he’s talking about the cp and the s3xual harassment history that vaush has
@@FeliDae26look up vaush’s history
Where did I say anything in relation to any side of the argument? Dude as a person is a creep…. do a 40 sec dive and you’ll find out why. Someone telling others to grow up is equivalent to loudest in the room having the least confidence.
You think vaush is a credible commentator? - he is a meme and nothing else
Neither is a credible commentator as neither is an expert on any of these subjects. It's reaching out to the basic public for opinions.
@@machsimillian14 at least one of the commentaors had historical facts and used them appropriately and the other just spouts liberal bullshit of moral superiroity.
@machsimillian14 I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
@@machsimillian14 I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
I would prefer experts I suppose, but if the expert or the 'basic public' spout liberal nonsense or moral superiority it is useless. At least one of the commentators used historical facts and events sensibly and Vaush just says the bad guy is bad and i support a good guy and therefore i am right, he is a moron and most certainly not a Marxist.
Dammmmm…. The dude with the beard lives in fantasy world of Hollywood idiocracy
Historically, vaush is correct. Wars generally and when both sides of a conflict wear each other out to the point that they can't continue.
I don't know if that's a good long-term strategy for Ukraine but I don't think that's a reason to not support them
But whose most justified using the n word?
Vaush commenting on military matters with such confidence is a joke. He really shouldn't be pretending to know what he's talking about.
I'd love for him to go over there and defend "democracy".
I had never heard of him until today but this guy sounds like a reddit mod.
Vaush is as good of an expert as Smith is.
@@jsharp9735yes because Russia is less democratic than Ukraine….
@@angelantayhua3096 One that is not true, and secondly you didn't get my sarcasm. Ukraine is not a democracy.
Vaush=someone who thinks they are intelligent.
Dave=someone who shows they are intelligent.
Dave is just the latest in a happy line of libertarian populist grifters to grace YT.
@@mcmeissner9394I bet you liked your own comment
@@orenthalsimpsonpopulism is for regards 😂
@@mcmeissner9394 latest? He's been around for 10+ years. Also, he never grifts. He talks about libertarianism, but he is genuine, he never forces it on people, and he doesn't overly promote.
@@mcmeissner9394 Nah, he isn't a grifter. He's merely a "Libertarian" who just so happens to hold all the exact political opinions of a fascist petty functionary. And his sub-70 IQ takes (like not realizing that starting the next expansionist war within the decade is not just "likely", but literally THE ONLY option for Putin to survive after having destroyed what was left of the Russian and Ukrainian domestic economy while having gathered an empoverished million-strong military with recent combat experience) are actually expressions of heroic intellectual rigor...;)
No disrespect to Dave, but when are the American people going to become unsettled enough to demand these conversations with the people who actually write policy? Every member of an administration, of congress, and the senate must be held accountable for their actions and how they are directing and spending the American's tax dollars.
Vaush's take maxes out at a 12th-grade level
8th
Dude his "boxers into each others arms argument".. lol I had never heard of this guy before but he needs to go into romantic fiction or something. Definitely not here.
Just like his dating pool
Nobody older than Vaush listens to Vaush.
Generous of you
I think Vaush is the only guest where I have been genuinely disappointed that you had someone of the caliber on the show.
That's saying a lot after Don Lemon...
Broken Points supported arming Ukraine, they also smeared Assange. I’m the end Krystal will tell her audience to vote for Genocide Joe.
@@BDnevernind I cant belive that guys IDIOCY!!!!
@@BDnevernind as bad as the lemon is at least he didn't stan for chomos
Make sure you hide your taxes folder from Vaush
Dave Smith is racking up quite the body count
If having friendly moderators and being allowed to pedal Kremlin talking points for as long as he once is winning, sure I guess
@@matthewarnold4557lmfao ok
@@matthewarnold4557lol ridiculous. Russia bad is all you know
Dang this Vaush guy is both handsome and intelligent
I'm bout 50 comments in and no one is on the side of vaush, glad to see there's still some people with sanity.
He just didn't make a SINGLE good point, all while trying to present his bad ideas in superfluous language designed to make him sound smart. What a waste of Dave Smith's time.
It's a right-wing audience. That's like saying you're proud to be on the same intellectual level as the Valuetainment guys.
I mean, I'm just getting started with the video, but the audience in the comments isn't exactly the brightest.
I'm not sure if many in his audience actually like him. I think they are just addicted to being part of the community.
We should provide Vaush to Ukraine.
Sanity=anti establishment chills
But what if Putin was a horse, would vaush likes him better ?
Without question
Yes
Vaush: " I don't come to this with a solution." He's happy to poo poo on negotiating a cease fire as a first step towards peace, but he has nothing to else to offer.
Have you ever read any of Russia's terms for a ceasefire? Their terms are: "we keep everything we've taken, you reduce your military so it'll be much easier to take over the rest of your country."
What a bargain!
They should have gotten Dylan Burns instead of Vaush. An on-the-ground war journalist and reporter, in Ukraine, with a long history of well reasoned videos, discussions, and commentary on the war.
Not ready he just as bad as Vaush he is just a liberals who simps for the US empire
Both are trash
@@doncojones Dylan is greater than anything you will ever be. Shut up and support Ukraine.
They never would.
@@doncojones Dylan burns has more intellect in his fingernails than you have in your entire lineage. Pipe it down child.
22:30 at this point I’m absolutely positive Vaush is deliberately being stupid.
He just has no integrity. He makes his living on the appearance of being an intellectual to children who affirm how smart he is.
It's akin to what having an opinion on the internet really is... it's worthless, but you get to share it and people will listen to you...
The bar for entry is a couple hundred bucks for internet & hardware...
Vaush snickering at the possibility of nuclear war is all I need to see to understand how un-serious he is. He's a transparent grifter that just wants to 'own' his opponent. Genuinely gross.
“Nuclear war 😱😱” = I’m scared of empty threats from the russian state.. giving in to nuclear blackmail is to fall for Putins schemes and tricks..
Right, just let pootin take over the dirty useless Ukraine, appeasement has a wonderful historical track record. And Russia having a direct border to NATO Poland is guaranteed to not bring us any closer to a newclear war 😌
🤪🤡🤡🤡
Is this sarcasm? Putin has been threatening nuclear war for decades
The Russians love threatening nuclear war because it gets foolish people in the west scared. If there is nuclear war, it will be on him, not on NATO or the west. All of the “west is aggressive…made promises to Gorbachev…poor Russia” talk you hear from brainlets on the internet was hatched and carefully designed massage from the Kremlin.
No one is nuking anyone else. Even if nato went to war to protect Ukraine, the Russians would back down. They tend to behave themselves when military power is used.
@jackeagleeye3453 source : trust me bro
Its not just humans, but every living thing on the planet, will pay the price for our stupidity.
Thats on russia not the west they choose to invade and they arent going to nuke ukraine. your falling for a tantrum thats going to encourage every other nation like china Iran and others to invade who they want and smallernations are encouraged to get nukes beacse people like you and dave smith are to cowardly to defend yourselves
Don't let vaush near any horses
Or children
That was also cenk. Democrats have a weird thing for horses.
Oh God, What did he do?
no he wants to BE the horse
@@Earthandweather He was caught looking at pictures of cartoon little girls doing the nasty with horses. He had those images saved on his computer.
Vaush is more worried about how his voice sounds than the truth coming out of it
most accurate comment lol
Ad Hom = dumb on purpose.
So Vaush's argument is essentially that we are all just reacting to things that happened in the past. So now we just got to help because we have to respond to what Russia did.
So, at no point do we need to look at the history and all of the decisions made and say, "Let's just stop doing this."
You can either want to lower age of consent OR support foreign wars. Not both. Both gets you tenure at the uranium mines with your favorite bucket.
Luckily Vaush doesn’t want to lower the age of consent…
@@MrSpleenface funny, because he's on camera saying that. then again, he's also on camera saying that he changes his opinion whenever it's convenient to win arguments, so because he's a liar you can't trust him.
I'm surprised they were able to get Vaush on without compensating him with a horse bride.
I'm sure he uses horse "toys" the same way smokers use nicotine patches
Was there no serious people who could have debated this instead of Vaush? He sits there in his underpants.
There are zero serious people that believe that side. The facts and logic are straightforward. The only reason this policy continues is because the military industrial complex and DC lines their pockets
Seriously, why are they even giving this guy a platform? (I say this before I even listen to his opinion- guys just a creep)
@@jennyd5770the same can be said for Dave Smith
@@jackeagleeye3453 sounds like you are a part of the loser brigade
serious people dont defend the ukraine war
Vaush is a person who speaks with authority and has little real-life experience. The world is far more complicated, and people are far more alike than he knows.
Everyone insulting Vaush but not a single one of them seem to actually addressing what he's said. Very telling.
Because what he said is so incredibly stupid and dangerous it goes without saying.
@@Richard.Atkinson And yet, nobody can come up with a single reason why or at least explain it. It all seems to be vibes.
@@Richard.AtkinsonWell put up or.shut up. What has Vaush said that is so stupid? Please enlighten us peasants Genius
This channel has a party line in the comments section that would have impressed Stalin
Dave Smith ADMITS IT WAS WRONG FOR RUSSIA TO INVADE, YET HE THINKS THERE SHOULD BE NO CONSEQUENCES.
This has nothing to do with horses so vaush already lost
I see a lot of horse comments but I don’t get it. What did I miss here?
@@petetown13 vaush has admitted to being attracted to horses/ wanting to be one doing weird stuff. Not sure how to word it without it instantly getting deleted lol
@petetown13 A bunch of people running their fucking mouths, because they don't have lives. I will repeat which feels like the 16,000th time.. if you think he is a threat to the public then call the police, FBI, CIA, Interpool, or whomever, otherwise, just stop talking about it
@@JonathanB138 somebody is a bit bitter
@@petetown13 Based on some of the comments with more detail? (And take it with a big grain of salt due hearsay)
Aparently he made a mistake and revealed his porn-folder on a livestream.
David is a super star in all of these debates! His intellect and moral compass shines through every time!
US enforces those strong borders on all countries except mainland southern border.
Why is that?
Does Vaush make a point in the second episode? :)
We dont want Vaush here.
dissenting voices are welcome , no matter where from. We are not Leftards
@@vanzeilanI am not concerned about opposing political views. I would say it's more about his incredibly suspicious behavior. To be clear: I don't know that I am convinced that he has done anything 100% wrong. I just feel like there are a lot of red flags and he has only ever spun the truth, ignored facts or simply misrepresented the facts. His responses have been just as sus as the red flags, frankly.
@@patricknoll81 Support or retract. The facts don't care about your feelings.
I thought we were pro free speech ? Are you trying to cancel him? Ermagawd
@@vanzeilan I'm not very interested in hearing the opinions of pedos, but I guess you are
[sees Vaush on the thumbnail]
Literally everyone else on the internet: "Do they know?.... 🤔"
Actually, I don't. I know there's some controversy around the guy. But what exactly is his deal?
Apparently not! Or they like promoting pedos🤷🏻♂️
@@Great_SandwichHe’s been caught with kid porn on his computer by viewers
He used a silly argument years ago that was meant to show the hypocrisy in owning things like cellphones. Child labor is used to create cellphones because of stuff like lihium mines so it is bad to buy phones and support a system that hurts children. He then compared to owning CP as someone who doesn't hurt children themselves but buys those videos or images is similar to the person buying a phone. He was drawing a comparison that he has admitted a billion times was dumb and not thought out. The other bad thing he did was on stream he accidently opened a tab on his computer that was his porn files and it was full of hentai because he says he surfs hentai sites and saves images he likes. The two problematic ones was one had a cartoon horse and a anime girl getting it on and another turned out to be loli which if you don't know is hentai where the girl is drawn to be underage but it's legal because she's actually a 1,000 year old elf or whatever she just still looks like a 12 year old. Pretty gross stuff. He claimed that he didn't think it was loli and thought it was a hentai midget goblin lol. One should make up their own opinion on old Vaush. Personally i sort of think all hentai is gross but to each their own i guess. Loli should be illegal in my view but idk we will honestly never know if Vaush is telling the truth that he didn't realize it was loli stuff. We just dont know. Give him the benefit of the doubt or dont. Thats up to each person. Vaush says some things i agree with and some i don't. The guy is sometimes really funny and sometimes hes annoying. He's on the far left but seems to not have the absolute brain rot many of them have even though he's still a socialist and I'm certainly not that. @@Great_Sandwich
@@Great_Sandwich the main controversy is over the fact that he accidentally opened one of his p0rn folders on stream and it was filled with really disturbing CP anime, but he's also just a deeply unserious bad faith actor who has no consistent ideology or values and only cares about owning people, constantly trying to stir up controversy, smearing everyone, etc. - he's called Krystal a fascist grifters and a nazl like a million times and then when she has him on and debates him on all the stuff he attacked he on, he backs down and acts all nice and oh it's not about you blah blah blah, and then goes back on his show and says the exact same stuff. Just a total hack.
VOWSH. VESH. VISH. VOOOSH. VI VINNI VISHI
21:20 I LOVE THAT THE GUY ON THE LEFT UNDERSTOOD THE KAMALA REFERENCE 😭😭😭❤️
i meant Ryan, i see now the description has his name
Yes to all Vausch hating comments, Dave Smith is always a voice of reason and a great guest everytime
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Dave Smith is just as stupid, probably even more stupid.
Dave "Ukraine is losing this war" Smith
He said the US should leave nato in exchange for peace in Ukraine.
@matthewarnold4557 lol I genuinely laugh. U.S does not have that much leverage. Weakening their influence which is part of a U.S power. Why would we weaken ourselves and potentially bolster our adversaries
Dear god don't ever have Vaush on your program again please. Dave is great would love to see more of him.
“Don’t bring more left wing people. Only right wing.”
@@kensuke0left wingers with proper educated and realistic ideas instead of a person hoping for fairy tale endings are always welcome
@kensuke0 maybe someone who actually has something to contribute. Even Cenk has more sensible arguments than this creep Vaush.
@@kensuke0dave isn't right wing dummy
Keep having him on so his shitty ideas can get steamrolled in the publics view
Vaush got his ass handed to him.
Vaush was the kid who played “im not touching you, im not touching you” then gets punched in the face and cries and says “ but i never even touched you”.
Punching down a little too hard there, Dave. Think about Vaush's wife's boyfriends' kids.
NEIGH I SAY NEIGH! I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT GOBLIN
LMAFOOOO
how can i take someone seriously who still wants to be referred to by a weird screen name he probably made when he was 12. just use your regular name man, nobody knows what a vaush is
There is no such thing as an unjust peace. Vaush is so deluded
Was the end of ww2 just or unjust peace? Why you invaded Germany offer you liberated France and Italy?
Why you rusbots so dumb?
What a ridiculous statement. Yes, of course there's such a thing. Dig your head out of your stinky bits.
Simply giving up on the Ukrainian people under Russian occupation is acceptable to most ukrainians.
Also, why would we reward Putin for illegally invading a neighbor
The only aspect in which Vsush isn't a lightweight is his bodyweight.
Such a low effort insult.
Wow, very clever! Just make sure you avoid all mirrors and cameras to make that insult hold water
Vaush is the field version of the white house press secretary.
Not pro-Israel enough. They would hate him.
No, he doesn't support Israel.
Lmao the host says we can’t let other countries invade, but we sure can let ourselves go ahead and change the regime in any given country cuz we r bored right ?
Why is Dave the only one not putting on a deeper voice?
Must've missed the memo.
"Ukraine hasn't been losing."
Looks at the map of Russian occupied areas .. ok buddy..
Yeah I've looked at the map and the Russians used to control like about 50% more than they do right now..... The ukrainians push them back in the north. The majority of the territory of the Russians hold right now is the area that the separatist held. The only parts that Russia expanded into were south of the deneper river and in The Crimean area. Please brother go look at the map changes over the years.
Like Russia is winning? If you think they are, just listen to audio of Russian soldiers calls home. Because if you listen to them, they sure tf don't think they're winning. Okay buddy?
Back in 2022 people were literally talking about how Ukraine wouldn't last a week, now we're two years into Russsia's invasion, and the borders haven't changed a lot since...
Kinda crazy to claim they're losing, when at the beginning of the war, no one was expecting Ukraine to even last a few months.
Also, how is Russia winning right now? Like... At this rate of gains it would take decades for them to reach their goals in Ukraine.
@@thedirtydoom so they aren't losing as badly as people expected them to... Russia is still making gains on their territory. After the first week everyone was saying, besides the apparent propaganda, that this would be a war of attrition. Ukraine won't last another year of fighting.. They don't have the production capacity or the population to sustain fighting.. Russia does.. To say that Ukraine isn't losing would be a blatant lie.. it also isn't even a stalemate. Russia is winning....
@@pjwinkelsif Russia was even a little competent it would have invented Ukraine within a few months.
Bro the Russian military is a joke. It can't take over a county that it borders and has flat terrain. Lol
The usa took over a county half way around the world. In a matter of weeks. Lol
I agree with Dave Smith on this, Vaush is wrong
We should not leave NATO wtf
@Dr.BatmanPhD nato should have been disassembled after the fall of the soviet union. The purpose of nato was to protect against ussr, as soon as that objective was complete, nato became an offensive alliance rather than a defensive alliance. There no way to justify its current existence
Nonsense. It creates stability in Europe. For example, it deters a warmongering dictator running Russia
@@SquidofCubesNATO legit makes the world and our own nation safer. Without it Russia and China could start making a coalition of allies that would Ultimately put the US at its mercy.
@@Dr.BatmanPhD NATO is monster are you insane?
Citing Mearsheimer so often, yet missing the deterrence point. Sad.
Synopsis? Dave crushes Vaush and everyone else seems clueless.
It literally took over an hour for Dave Smith to simply give his feedback on what we should do today. When he did finally answer, he essentially said give all of the territory to Russia and leave NATO. 😂 This is the first time I’ve ever said this, and I hope it’s the last but Dave got dunked on.
That's a lie. His solution was a ceasefire. Vaush just muddied the water by claiming ceasefires don't work.
I never knew Vaush was such a war hawk.
Idk who that Dave guy is be he sure is on point.
Do you think the Lend-Lease act was an example of American imperialism?
@@matthewarnold4557 yes. Because the LLA was sent to nations that were deemed vital to the defense of the US. Thus, from the American political class perspective supplying weapons to other “allies” or nations so they can fight was a way for America to fight other nations through proxies. Essentially, they’re just pawns. Once the battles are over, the US moves in their military bases. Think Germany, Turkey, most nations in EU, Japan (who the US didn’t LLA but destroyed with nukes then moved in), SK. The negotiations with the Saudis is similar to a LLA.
Dave Smith is brilliant.
50:20 how about that certain Biden’s super smart “for god sake this man can’t remain in power” quote?
China is doing that with Mexico through the cartels
More Dave Smith!
As usual, Dave commits to common sense
He said the US should leave NATO. He has thoroughly disqualified himself from any meaningful conversation on the subject
Anyone who unironically suggests that the US should pull out of NATO deserves no semblance of perceived credibility, especially as leverage to appease Putin. It’s a deeply unserious position.
Yea because Americans get such a benefit from NATO… 🙄 imagine if the fed was abolished and money was backed by gold… ludicrous right??
Ukraine has been a week away from losing the war since Putin invaded according to BP
Vaush: “because we have fast jets the proximity of countries is of little strategic importance”
I’m embarrassed that I used to enjoy listening to this dude
He wasn't that bad years ago. Don't feel bad.
@@michaelh878 cheers Mike. Yeah, I don’t know if I was stupider then but i swear he used to actually read from to time and would present more coherent/sound arguments. He seems to think he can wing it now. Maybe it’s just that he’s always been lazy and wasn’t long out of uni back then?
That’s not what he said. Are you 13?
Nuclear missiles can travel across the world now in like 15 minutes. They don’t need to be placed on a border anymore.
Didn't both wars with Iraq and war with Afghanistan show this, though?
Keep in mind I'm not talking about occupation, just the invasion.
America also has military bases around the world.
The idea that war is much more global than even a hundred years ago is just correct, no ?
I find his next "argument" much worse.
How a violent coup my effectively a nazi-branch of the ukrainian military under CIA guidance, together with a tiny protest stirred up by millions spend in propaganda, is the will of the population, instead of their democratically elected government.
By that logic, had there been a group of, say, KKK members participated at J6, armed and opened fire, then they would clearly represent the will of the people and would have the right to let the republicans "freely" change the constitution, remove and select new members of offices from president to judges, while the law abiding clansmen stand guard, fully armed of cause, around the buildings, denying entrace to the opposition.
Dave Smith has got it right. Thank you.
Continue funding? Its a debt and a signed agreement.Crimea is Ukrainian territory occupied by russia😂😂
Vaush’s assertion that a new war would be inevitable after a ceasefire makes little sense. North and South Korea have maintained peace for decades. China and Taiwan too.
Russia and Chechnya have been at peace since the 90s. Russia and Georgia haven’t gone to war again since 2008.
I could go on. There are plenty of historical examples to draw from to make the argument that a stalemate and ceasefire could last for a long time…
Taiwan and SK have heavy defensive treaties with the USA, and Russia hasn’t needed to invade Georgia or Chechnya because they dominate them politically.
If Ukraine could give up some territory (maybe something like Crimea stays Russian, plebiscites in LPR and DPR regions), in exchange for peace and Ukraine joining NATO, that might be reasonable to prevent future conflicts, but Putin won’t accept a Ukraine in NATO.
Russia has invaded Ukraine twice in the last 10 years. Once you pay Danegeld…
You should look into what the starting point is for Russian peace talks. It would essentially strip Ukraine of any military power or alliance. They wouldn't be able to defend themselves from another Russian invasion
Did Vaush talk about his infatuation for “short stacked goblins”
Sadly no, would've been WAY more entertaining.
The funniest phrase perhaps in the annals of internet history
Tacoma wept
He thinks ukrainians are goblins that's why he's supporting
No Horse anatomy talk either