Do You Have A Dominant Horse?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Ryan demonstrates some corrections for a mustang that has started to become spatially dominant.
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What kind of carrot stick are you using? My whip was a gift and too big. I can barely make it snap it’s so tall and the string is almost as big as the whip!
Hey, i tried this method but its very Hard without a roundpen. You got the second part with a halfter on? That would be very helpfull. Thanks for your afford you doin a great job!
All those guinea birds giving happiness and warning in the background ❤
I have a mare who is stubborn as a mule. This worked like magic with her and she's finally moving. I love this so much! Lunging didn't work with her because she refused to move no matter what I did, and this really knocked her off her game lol she didn't know what happened. Thank you so much Ryan my husband was talking about getting rid of her. You saved my Star!
how is she now? :)
My mare is the same way she is such a brat cant wait to start this training with her
What a good story and outcome ,,well done ,,as theres a Big difference between listening ,looking and doing,,and its much harder to correct bad habits than train a fresh new one ,,so bravo , ,,and i hope you have a whole new chapter of horsey experience,,its one of the beauties of horses there is always more to learn ,,bravo to you🎵🐎♥️🐴
I want to say I have a Mustang your method fixed in 10 minutes it's amazing
Mules aren't 😣 they process much differently than a horse. They are less reactive... however stubborn is an incorrect term that's used in the wrong context.
Is the horse a BLM mustang? Are those scars all over his back?
If only more people knew exactly what it feels like to be in an enclosed space with a dominant horse with a mind of their own learning each others language. Most people don't understand the language of energy when it comes to intent of action either. Nice video thanks for sharing,
Thanks
The grey Shire mare on my channel was bought and totally terrorized the owner. She almost hit him over food aggression. Not only shes over 17hh and 2200lbs, shes a lead mare too and has been her whole life. She's an introvert dominant horse so unless you knew how to read a horse, you were in danger. The language of energy with her is a very fine line. Too little energy, she wouldnt respond, too much she would do the thing but seem 'hurt'. When I'd use juuust the right amount and speed of movement, she'd do as asked but ears stayed up and Id have even more of her attention instead of her leaving. I immediatly started being able to call her to me. (im still the only one that can do that)
Then as she saw I understood her, she opened up to me. She started asking things. Asking for rubs, asking for guidage about a cat in the food. If I refuse to help she immediatly take charge back and do it herself.
Now she shows sign of wanting to do more with me. She saw me clean the water bucket couple months ago. Now everyonce in a while, she'll come over and gently pick the water heater out of the tube and set it aside as I start draining the tub. And theres a LOT of such behaviors. To name a few she can tell an unknown enclosed trailer from an unknown horse trailer. If you play horse calling sounds on a phone, all the other horses comes to you, but she goes to watch the driveway where the trucks comes with the trailers. There's no fooling her. She will correct horses which try to disrespect or push me. I no longer think that Jim Key is a fairy tale!
I never thought Id ever go for a lead mare or a white horse. I thought lead mares were not for me (kinda like stallions) but she took all those thoughts, chewed them and spat them out. Im fascinated by her inteligence and her look also help.
@@Nordic_Mechanic I personally really enjoy mares, especially dominate mares. They take convincing, but once you get things to click, they are a different level of loyal than most horses, and they will always go to work for you. I have a personal belief/bias for mares with big ears, as I notice most mares with larger ears also tend to be the more dominant ones, perhaps its nature giving them the ability to hear things better and warn the rest of the herd/protect their foal, and in the end they are the ones I get along with really well from a training perspective.
Stallions can be great to work with, too, but they are different, and seeing as most people keep stallions solitary, they tend to be continually mouthy, playful, testing the limits, etc, that they naturally would with other horses. People think this needs domineering and its easy to turn them into something that is aggressive and dangerous, because when you push them too much they will generally be very obliged to push right back.
Can’t believe anyone would dislike these videos. It takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there with horses that are sometimes very dangerous.
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Horses are usually dangerous due to the environments they have been placed in. Yes a horse will push another around but it's due to a resource that one wants! They don't do it just to establish "dominance" science has proven that it doesn't exist in tbe equine world.
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Interesting. I personally own a matriarch mare and am glad that she respects and loves me. Look up the articles Equus The Language Of Horses JSTOR. Very good article.
@angelaellenbaas that was an interesting article! I completely agree that we need to understand how horses communicate. I also think that horses don't view us as horses but rather predators. We also have scientific knowledge, skills and resources that gives us the ability to teach in ways that horses can't.
Horse's aren't really dangerous, they can just be stubborn. They don't know how big they really are and how strong they really are. If placed in some environment they can seem/be "dangerous" to some people.
Lol. The little circles he put himself in when he realized he wasn't pleased about being told to move off...it looked like he was having some sort of internal struggle, lol. Really fascinating to watch the back and forth communication.
Yeah a bit of a tantrum.
Talk about a fascinating piece of horsemanship ! "Owning the ground" is SUCH a pretty cool variation "moving the feet" concept, new to me but very very interesting !!! The piece at the end where the horse is trying to take the deal of touching your hand, but tempted to be defensive and come with his butt first, and how he goes about it almost laterally as a consequence of being totally undecided, that was just fascinating (and kudos for adapting to his body posture as fast and subtly as you did !).
Would have loved to see a follow up video on this horse... With the next step.
This guy right here on TH-cam is BY FARR one of the most clear and direct trainers for horses. Iv seen a lot of crap w trainers on TH-cam n this guy really grew on me with his patients while working the horse
He's probably the best on TH-cam. He's so patient while he continues to educate. It's HARD to keep yourself safe, work with an animal and teach. He's EXTREMELY gifted. I wish he was in the Ohio area lol so he could do a clinic at our 4H summer horse camp😂
Agree.
I've never seen a horse have a tantrum before. Great video.
Thanks
Haha you haven met my little shit yet lol tantrum in his middle name have to ground work him every season before I get on or tantrum is in the saddle.
@@dustyjean9126SAME-
IMO this was not a tantrum, this was a teasing or enticing tactic. The horse was saying, "I'm not sure you are so tough, come out here and prove it, lets rumble."
He’s so used to being the school yard bully, and now you’ve gone in there and said no. There are rules. There are expectations of appropriate behavior. Just like any other alpha horse. You gave him the new rules. Calmly, concisely, and clearly.
Impressing how Ryan stays calm so easily with this 4-legged stubborn toddler 😂
I have a 17 yr old that was gelded just 4
Months ago- he danced around like that tonight and shook his head the same way - while I was doing this exercise- so glad you made this video
I have a very dominant arabian stallion. I love him just the way he is. He's no longer aggressive with me now that he has learned to trust me. He will now do anything I ask of him and is very gentle with me although he's not so great with other people unless they are with me. This might very well be because I owned his space early on.
And you owned it in a very tactful respectful way.... That's why, Respectful the key word, horses respect, respect.... Especially Stallions
@@mattmishler2158 Respect is a human concept so I don't really use the term in relation to horses but most people do these days. 30 or 40 years ago and more it wasn't the popular term it is today. I'm not sure when people started using it. I guess my advanced age is showing;-)
@@mattmishler2158 And yes, I was tactful as well as kind and considerate but I don't allow him to remove me from my space. He's the one who has to give up space if I want it.
@@mattmishler2158 No you Own it because You are In Charge....We have no idea what horses actually "think" so how can we say they "respect" someone, when we do not know how or what they think?? We just have to see their reaction/s, and go from there...
I love this guy! The calm, assertive tone of his voice and the way he explains as he goes along. I wish he could come work with my mare!
Learning a lot from this. It's like watching a dance of him learning the steps. Thanks Ryan
Thank you , tHIS IS VERY helpful to me. I have a little filly who was taken from her dam too early. She is constantly trying to push to be dominant. This vid. was a great help. She stood GREAT for the vet and farrier, and will for me also, but even the farrier could tell that she will probably be the dominant animal over the 3 year old gelding. My job is too teach her, that I AM the dominant one, without creating fear in her, and while creating trust. Thank you for this. Ive noticed with her, that she DOES understand exactly what is going on, and doesn’t hold it against me, when I have to get a bit more insistant than I would like. She is one smart cookie. I only hope that I’m smart enough to stay ahead of the game with her. She’s a beautiful animal, loves attention, but only 6 months old, and I am 58. I want to be sure I do right by her if I need to find a new home for her. Meaning, that she has the understanding and manners so that ANY owner will do well with her. I don’t want to see her in a kill pen again.
That wasn't obvious to me that the horse was walking up to take your space at the beginning of the video. Can you comment on the difference between a horse walking up politely vs dominantly?
The reason I went into the round pen with this horse is because he was backing up kicking at the girl in the video when she would approach him. Then when I was in there I could feel his energy and see that his ears were pinning back as he came towards me sometimes.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship Thank you!
This video should be shown to everyone who wants to save a mustang. A feral horse's (especially a stallion's) life all about surviving and win. He tried push ryan no matter what. Because that he was doing all his life. Those bite and kick marks on his body shows he was a rough cookie in the wild.
He wants to be near the other horse in the pen behind him. That is where he is comfortable.
That is a mare that he wants to be near. I own her.
@@bryankellenberger738 Makes sense. Mare gelding bonds are very deep and in my experience can be a bit more difficult for the rider/trainer when you wana separate them.
@@loredelore7286 and this horse was just recently gelded!
This is what they do in the wild. The dominant horse goes where he wants and the others step aside or face consequences.
This is so relatable, I did a similar exercise with my very dominant young mare before I started bringing her under the saddle. I asked her to back up. She tried everything, going around, going through me, rearing. Eventually she gave up and now she's the sweetest, most compliant thing ever. But oh boy, when I'm not around and she's handled by anyone else... She's not mean, but she'll just do whatever she feels like. Someone else besides me rode her for the first time last week and said that every time she asked her to do something, my mare's response was "make me!". Whereas I've worked with her so much by now (she was born in my care), I can almost communicate with her just by thinking
The pauses, let him think about this non aggressive human. Perfect.
If i listen Alpha Bullshit I sleep well.
Everything here is wrong. This has nothing to do with partnership horse%human.
Windows Dressing for people with egomaniac problems.
I have had 2 miniature stallions come home doing this x100 one is worse than the other. (If you think minis aren’t as dangerous you are wrong, because they are so smol their low centre of gravity and overall tinyness comparatively means they move even faster). They were kind of a rescue situation (in the best care but had to move on and the owner had no option but to sell) I’m not accustomed to bad behaviour, all my horses have been bred and raised by me and my heard (full sized or minis) so it’s a shock to have to deal with a horse that has no manners. He’s an utter lunatic (rear, buck, kick, pacing) especially when you are outside his stall when you step in he quiets down plenty but he still will try to shoulder barge you and doesn’t stop screaming. I’ve been at it about 3 days laying down the law but everyday we seem to be starting like the last few days didn’t happen so I’ve been trawling TH-cam to see if I can find a different approach. I’ll be busting out my whip and flag which I haven’t had to use since training my last foal which was years ago now. Wish me luck.
Ok question. Can i do this qithout a round pen?? I dont have access to one. Just a huge arena and pastures
Listening to Ryan's teaching, I can't help but think that he ought to also teach parents how to raise children. Everything he is saying about problem horses pertains--in spades--to spoiled, undisciplined children today, reared on self-esteem, self-love, and every other kind of self-whatever you can think of. Whose alpha in the families? The kids.
The key is insistant but fair, hoinest and consistent. Works on every critter known to man
@@HobbitHomes263 I used to raise and show Irish Setters back in the '70s. Watching the undisciplined behavior outside of the show ring of many of the dogs trained in "obedience," I came up with an axiom...one that offended some people: "If you're going to train the dog, you've got to be smarter than the dog." I think that too pertains to all critters known to man.
The problem isn’t the children, nor is it having children with high self-esteem, it’s the new generation of “iPad” parents. It’s laziness - a complete lack of desire to provide consistent reinforcement, instead looking for any tool to appease and keep their child “out of their hair.”
My mother raised us with a very healthy sense of self-esteem but she also made empathy, self-introspection, teamwork and persistence cornerstones of our childhood development. You don’t need to be the “alpha” to your children in the sense that they’re afraid of you, but you do need to model good behaviors and require that they perform them for long enough that it becomes an ingrained trait, just like any smart animal!
@@redmanish I agree. I simply set the evaluation of the problem at an earlier level by pointing to spoiled children instead of their deficient parents, which you point to. Regarding your point about modeling, I agree again. Last year our first great grandchild was born. At a family gathering, our grandson (the dad) asked for comments on how to raise healthy, happy kids. His dad gave a fairly lengthy response. I did the opposite. I said to our grandson: "What you want to see, model."
Thanks for your response. It is wisdom.
Oh so my horse.. I did this with him today.. he’s gotten incredibly pushy and dominant on the ground so time to go back to foundation work
How did it go? Any improvement?
@@841577 major improvement.. he is also back in training with my trainer
Where can I find the follow up video?
This process seems to be of great interest to the other animals we hear in the background.
I always have an audience of 3 or 4 horses watching what's going on with the horse in the pen with me 🤣🤣🤣
I started lunging my horse a few weeks ago ( she was a wild horse and i had to educate myself on almost everything) so i didnt really know how to lunge her. But she was doing quite well, but now whenever i have my lunge whip she runs towards me as if to run me over. I dont k ow what to do now. So yea. Im here on yt watching every video i can to help me and my horse
Ryan Rose I believe your videos are absolutely priceless and fabulous.
Thank you 🙏
Just wanted to say I appreciate your clear communication of what’s happening Ryan.
Thank you. It isn’t easy to put yourself where you are ,, brave determine and smart person !!!
Thank you 😊
Great demo. It's amazing how subtle yet clear that 'dance' between horse and trainer is.
Love your videos.Where are you located?
Not a rider, but I sure enjoy your videos, Ryan...the combination of your pleasant demeanor and insights/wisdom keeps me watching. Thank you.
Very interesting. Liked and subscribed. Is he over due for hoof trim?
Cynthia Marston, I would say Yes! Those feet must be uncomfortable.
This a mustang that we picked up from a holding pen just 4days earlier.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship figured was good reason. Probably should have kept my comment out
@@cynthiamarston2208 questions/comments are always welcome 👍
I enjoyed watching this video. There is an actual conversation going on, allowing the horse to figure out the human.
no need to make hard contact with that whip
I have a dominant yearling who will run past me and not respect my space at all, she faces her butt to me all the time and is very agressive around food. Wish round pens werent so expensive in New Zealand! Very helpful video, thank you 😊.
Love your videos Ryan! So helpful and clear!
So I have a very dominant type horse. When riding or actually training he's great I can't really fault him BUT he's pushy loose in his yard. No way can I clean yards etc if he's in there ad he runs around bucks rears etc if I shoe him away. Do I up the anti take a stick lunge in and move him off simply like in this video he's way worse than this mustang ex stallion it's Al.ost a game and he gets too close with his hinds. Do I run him around take his space keep it up till he stands quietly OVER THERE? Or go more quietly as in this video. He's super smart I think he needs a real wake up because this is habit behaviour not just being an arse.
I would have preferred he be on line at first.....because if he decided to come flying back with his rear feet striking out, a stick and string might not have been enough. Been there.
I have a new to me mini. I did give her too many treats. She was very well mannered when we got her in October but now mouthy and pushy. Sometimes spins around with her rear to me. If I use techniques to get her out of my space & show her my dominance.....will she still come to us on her own? Since she is a mini, we want her to be a 'pet' so want to brush her , lead, etc. How do I tell her she CAN come into my space?
Do you have a video of working a dominant horse like this on a lead?
I don’t think you should be afraid of scaring that horse and I don’t think that horse turning away or turning his back/ back legs towards you is a good plan either...pretty dominant horse
Yeah, agreed. I prefer Clinton Anderson's take on this. Although in other respects Clinton and Ryan are quite simillar.
Based on the way Netty cowered when she was pushed away by this dominant gelding, I worry about her being able to handle a horse like this. He’s still likely to have studdy behavior if he recently got gelded.
I don't enjoy the mustang content. They belong into "the great wild open", together with their family!
I would like to see the follow-up on this video. I believe this horse is Ryan biggest challenge.
You can see his intent with the tension in the face and mouth.
He's still a stallion. Chemistry often needs 4 months to exit the system. This is the interim training that will make him a gelding. All bets off til then.
That woman on the side lauching at what happens should really not be around horses. She sounds vindictive.
This was very interesting. Is there a follow up to this one? Gorgeous colt.
I have a two year old stud who is very aggressive and I don't have the money to get him gelded..so looking at yt videos!🤣
Have a gelding who has dominance issues towards my newer gelding. He doesn’t listen to me when I tell him to “knock it off” and definitely tries to assert dominance when I go to feed. Would you recommend me doing this with him to help him understand that he is not going to be the boss?
Yeah might help
Give the horse a breek ,hay, water, respect...... Then , maybe it will return, from grass ......
Great video and lessons.
Thank you so much.
A lot of horselanguage here❤️
Does a horse like this that has spirit and wanting to be the alpha make for a good riding horse once he is made safe or would a horse that is less alpha acting?
she quiet when my 13 year old daughter
doing liberty work with her and playing in the arena
Great to watch a real horseman.
I have a horse that needs to gain respect and needs to learn that there not the dominate one and how to train her to respect me and she’s a off the track throughbred mare
Also Monty Roberts would do join up which is equine language before what Ryan Rose is doing to get the partnership cooperation part solid. This horse has a lot of energy and persistance.
Great...do you offer the halter stage by video? I'd like to see that also, please.
Same question here!
The horse is not trying to "own" something nor wanting to dominate anyone. It just wants to be in the spot that's the nearest to the other horse, because the other horse provides a sense of security and feeling safe.
You can see that clearly when Ryan is standing in the spot that is closest to dark horse, the mustang is wanting to be in that spot (the running around). As soon as it can be in the spot it wants to be in, there is no running around "dominating" anyone or trying to own Ryans spot. Please read the horse correctly.
Notice that all this horse's scars are on his left side. Many horses are left eyed to they may yield their HQs around to their right but that is only ONLY to put you in their left eye. Not every release of the hind is a "yield" it can be a tactical military move to put "the enemy" on the left.
my mare is a very big bully and super pushy, ive done some ground work yesterday and it went great, today she kept refusing and tried rearing and bucking but i was persistent and kept trying till she gave in and did what i asked
I do wonder. Is he doing it because he's comfortable and seeing if he can push his boundaries and move the human? Or is he doing it because he's not comfortable being touched and there were more subtle signs to be read before he did that? Like no more blinking, change in breathing, slight raise of the head, etc.
The reason I'm wondering this is because he didn't walk towards her, ears pinned, turning his hind end like ''hey move!''. She got into his space, reached out and petted him before he turned his hind end.
(I can't say much though because the part where he girl demonstrated was so short and had very little context.)
I totally disagree with this. He is making the horse afraid of him and cracking the whip at the horse. One time the horse came toward him and that’s what you want. You don’t want your horse, afraid of you. liberty training at its worst. This is just a tough guy mentality. Sorry to say, terrible video
you cant crack a lunge whip
Looks like he would make some delicious dog food.
What if you don’t have a round pen?
That is a CRAZY sounding farm! Whatcha got goin on there?! It sounds like Noahs ark!! LOL! (what da heck happened to his tail????)
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He's still showing a lot of stallion behavior.
I have a 4 year old tennessee Walker he pushy dominate, difficult,and challenging ,he knows how to longe but refuses to,maybe a lap or to ,then half circles,no respect,doesn't take me seriously in the round pen but I get more out of him while riding ,most things text book training, crossing water ditches,,stop at mail box ,main problem respect ,and longing,he did great with the trainer ,they really enjoyed him,still no respect in the pen
Front hooves a bit long...need to be trimmed
Proper Horseman
I love your videos! I stumbled on your videos searching for working with stubborn horses.
Wait at what age can a yearling be turned out
I have a QH/ Mustang mix that is impossible! I wish you could help me with him. He is beautiful and I love him but I cant manage him. Everyone keeps telling me is too much of a horse for me and want me to sell him...
If you agree he's impossible and you can't manage him, yep, he's too much horse for you. Get something that's a better fit.
It’s not fair to either of you. Find him a better fit and find yourself a calmer more manageable horse. Life is short.
@@jessepitt I DID THAT :)
@@KayaBalaTherapeuticYoga Good for you. I believe in giving every relationship a fair shake but if it isn’t working then it isn’t fair to either one.
Thankyou 🥰
You don't, because dominance theory has been disproven in horses
no it literally hasnt
I’ve done this with my gelding and he try’s to kick me! What do i do when he does that?
I should add he was gelded late in life too
My arabian stallion is a dominant horse but I've worked with him for awhile so he's very cooperative.
Wonder where this horse is now?
This is very interesting.
I have a 2yr old filly that is very rude, pushy and dominate about my space when I come in to the pasture with her.
I carry my stick for safety but was at a bit of a loss on how to correct her behavior, I would like to be able to walk thru a pasture without a stick and not worry about if someone is over having to warn them about her.
So glad you're looking for help on this. Her behavior obviously needs to be corrected now, before she gets any older :)
Schoolyard bully! 🤨
watch horse's ears.
You can tell by the white scars all over him, this is not a horse who backs down easy
Good eye, he was being extremely dominant and aggressive to the other horses in his pen at the holding facility we picked him up at. But he had also been recently gelded.
Mr alpha
So where is part II ?
This guy is the best horse trainer ever!
Yeah, he is the best trainer if you want your horse to hate you and be afraid of you. I will never jump on his back being so angry as it is.
That is what my horse dose
Very nice Ryan.
I'm curious how you came to have an intact mustang?? That has a tattoo so it means it was captured from the wild/its herd, not born in a BLM holding facility. The barn we bought our guy from breaks and trains, then flips mustangs which is how I'm aware.
From the very beginning the horse already indicated their position towards the woman in the video and by far she's the one teaching/telling the horse that they are the ruler in their universe and she's lower. Animals unlike us do not miss a thing! It's really fascinating. I think as our species is, our instincts are higher as baby's vs when we become teens to adults. We are to use to being complacent and less sensitive to our environment and what we experience more or less is how we reason our own existence. I'm sure this comes on reference of theory Sigmund Freud as humans go. I love the biological world and it's all connected!
God Job, you understand horses. I dont know much people who really are horsemen. Most people just have a horse, but dont understand horses. So they got problems with em ... If you think and talk like human to a horse, it will never work. Most people dont know to talk in natural horse language.
HE is confused and searching for answers. WHat works on horses isn;t working on this two legged..He hasn;t given up on pushing RYan off his line of travel or to surrender his space
This will help me with one of my thoroughbreds that has a dominant attitude.
Great 👍
I always wonder, to male trainers - do you notice the negative reaction you get from horses on a whole just bc you are male? I’ve witnessed it more times than I can count, but most of you males all still “rule” with aggression, pain and fear… present company excluded of course. I hope you dedicate a part of your core program to teaching other men who call themselves horsemen that they don’t have to be cruel to be effective.
I know basically nothing about horses, let alone how to train them. While watching this vid with amusement, I can’t help but think that how much of this can be applied to dealing with young people who want to be the alpha in the house.