The $30 "4K" GAME STICK LITE can play some classic games...kind of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Disclaimers: I do not endorse the sales of devices with ROMS from Nintendo/Sony etc. This video is made for entertainment and educational purposes only.
Timestamps are integrated into the video for each segment, so if you need to use the timestamps so you can skip to wherever, then that's absolutely no problems!
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Greetings and welcome to another Cheapo Gaming Device Review!
This is the wonderful GAME STICK LITE 4K!
That can not do 4K. No surprise there.
This thing is $30 AUD on AliExpress and not going to lie, you get a lot for the money.
While I didn't get mine from there and rather ewaste of all places, I got almost everything in the box.
How is it for $30? Well...allow me to show you the RAW POWER from our 4K Game Stick Lite. Remember it's the LITE version.
If you know about Custom Firmware for this, please let me know.
Otherwise, sit back and relax and watch how this thing performs with some old school classics!
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TIMESTAMPS:
Introduction & Disclaimers: 0:00
Where I got this from & Current Pricing: 1:15
The Listing & Advertising: 2:38
Around the box: 6:56
The Controller & Accessories: 8:32
Around the Game Stick & MicroSD Card Files: 9:57
It can't output in 4K & Menu Functionality: 11:50
MAME Emulation, Mode Settings & Turbo doesn't work: 13:17
NES Emulation: 16:51
Game Boy Color Emulation: 18:35
Game Boy Advance Emulation: 20:14
Sega Genesis Emulation: 22:56
Super Nintendo Emulation: 24:32
Atari 2600 & 7800 Emulation: 28:12
PlayStation 1 Emulation: 29:44
GS5 controllers work & Conclusion: 33:30
Controller & Stick Teardown: 35:42
Thanks for watching to the end & Rambling: 38:11
Outro: 39:10
Be good people!
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SOCIAL:
Instagram: s.moorez
Email: ngage3650@gmail.com
Second channel that's a bit quiet at the moment:
/ @smoorez2
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Music/Video:
Outro:
Mick Gordon - Cultist Base (Doom Eternal Soundtrack)
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*All images used in the video belong to their rightful owners but are used under fair use/demonstration.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to another Cheapo Game Console review thingo!
Hope you all enjoy this one, next up will be the GS5 thing I got from Temu.
Also thanks so much for the interest in that Temu video, I don't think I'll do a follow up from it. It was more a once off with the thumbnail. I'll go back to the old style again :)
If you know about Custom Firmware for this, let me know.
Not sure about the GS5 but we will get to that.
Let me know what you thought of this one and if you think it's worth the $30 AUD?
TIMESTAMPS:
Introduction & Disclaimers: 0:00
Where I got this from & Current Pricing: 1:15
The Listing & Advertising: 2:38
Around the box: 6:56
The Controller & Accessories: 8:32
Around the Game Stick & MicroSD Card Files: 9:57
It can't output in 4K & Menu Functionality: 11:50
MAME Emulation, Mode Settings & Turbo doesn't work: 13:17
NES Emulation: 16:51
Game Boy Color Emulation: 18:35
Game Boy Advance Emulation: 20:14
Sega Genesis Emulation: 22:56
Super Nintendo Emulation: 24:32
Atari 2600 & 7800 Emulation: 28:12
PlayStation 1 Emulation: 29:44
GS5 controllers work & Conclusion: 33:30
Controller & Stick Teardown: 35:42
Thanks for watching to the end & Rambling: 38:11
Outro: 39:10
Be good people!
Thanks a lot
depending on the SoC on the board you can definitely flash your own images but you would be playing around recompiling linux kernals to get it work, the rockchip IS REALLY UNDERPOWERED, i have a rockchip rk3399 SBC (Raspberry pi ripoff) and theres certainly rockchip linux oses, give me a message with the image of the sd card and i could try see if you can atleast get some custom roms on it
Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland 🇩🇪
Given the "GS5" name refers to many different products (with and without pro) it is impossible to know more or guess without cracking it open. Even model numbers are likely to be inadequate here.
One of the different GS5 products online show menus basically identical to this stick, so *if* it is of the same lineage, it could be somewhat related. Though it may also be an entirely different system.
there is a video on yt where a guy modded these that use firmware version 4.0 or 5.0 to be able to play more emulators and even use the real ps1 bios as i just uses the HLE BIOS built into retroarch
I appreciate your extremely generous interpretation of "runs pretty well" 😂
Yeah I found one of these once and just the complete lack of aspect ratio adjustment and performance issues ruins this entire thing.
This console is like a box of surprises. You accidentally bought it, it accidentally plays games and you accidentally had fun
😂😂😂😂
I accidentally shat myself
Oh the Eclipse batteries, recognize them from some DankPods videos.
At least they don't blow smoke
AAA!!!!
oohh my pukcelks
My cat toy said "batteries not included" on the box, yet inside the box were 3 eclipse batteries that felt like they were filled with feathers.
Na no
Smoorez is the best TH-camr he says you can block his ads if we need too😂 I wouldn’t cause I would be supporting his channel :)
Just stumbled upon one of these and thanks to your video I left it there for someone else to use. While neat, I already have many ways to play these games already.
Thanks for the information and saving me some money. :)
First Dankpods and Now SMOOREZ, Australia really putting out the best TH-cam content nowadays!
A very small number of CRT-TVs had HDMI ports. They were very rare, but they existed. So it's not technically a lie.
Was just about to mention the last CRT TV I owned had an HDMI port. Too bad it only supported 1080i, 480p, and 480i.
@@icebergmm thats still pretty cool tho
Yes, the Sony Vaio t.v. my wife and I bought in 2003 hadn't hdmi input
HDMI input is no matter, because 2 dollar adaptor HDMI to VGA you can buy, I bought 2 of them and working fine. Two different model. One is Female VGA and one have male VGA. So later I use for all other devices. and That one I put on a old Monitor which have VGA only. It now has HDMI port and I can use this monitor as a current one. As like this you can buy HDMI to AV converter. I bought this one and the counter way one also which AV to HDMI one. Old CRT TV I can use NTSC mode and HDMI port it has now. Pal also can work if you use these 3 type of converter mixed. Pal version is way better of course.
im exited for you to reach 100k subs
37:37 THAT unpopulated area with 3 holes is probably a UART bus (from the R and T probably referring to the TX and RX of the bus). It's a simple protocol that gives you a behond the scenes look on what the device is doing. Assuming this device runs Linux if you were to hook it up to a USB TTL adapter to the computer and running a tool like PuTTY you will be able to see the Linux boot log and if you are lucky you will probably get a root shell where you can interact with the device behind the scenes. I mess around with UART constantly with stuff like routers and cheap miracasters.
TL;DR If you see this (labeled T R or TX RX) chances are you can easily hack this device
look up youtube channel
Augusto Cavalca
videos not English tho but has links in the comments to download the FW that was modded to run other system and it runs ps1 much better too
will work if your stick uses V4.0 or V5.0 FW
ty for this, we have this stick! First thing from smoorez vid we got! yay
I love how the knife just despawned at 11:03 😂
I had a CRT by Sony, I believe it was a trinitron and it had HDMI ports on it. Got it for free from a TV repair place that said it was junk, found a break in the power cord so I replaced it and the TV worked fine for years. I believe I got rid of it in 2020 when the power supply board went out.
Commando was a NES game, I remember playing it as a kid and I had found a small glitch in it. at the Boss of the first level, if you died just before you killed him and the door to the next level opened then your commando would literally get back up and walk into level 2 and you'd just continue to play the game as if nothing happened.
Not sure if this glitch also worked with every boss/end level enemies since I had only ever beaten the first level.
To change the OS a good option is postmarketOS, linux for mainly phones but also other devices, seeing it has a Rockchip SOC it could be possible to make a port. Also try hooking up a USB keyboard and trying CTRL+ALT+F(whatever) which on most linux distros should bring you to a terminal.
alien double stupid was toejam and earl which is honestly a pretty damn good alternative name for it lmao
I got this for 80pln tought one day is this gon be dog water but when it arrived i got so excited and went to play my fav adventure game
Good stuff!
Great video more like this
I know some people that actually bought this and I gotta say: the game list is actually good. There's some classic games in there that you can play with your friends. But the image quality is awful on a modern TV (idk if it is supposed to be like that or if it was just bad configured), but I think it will actually look good on an old TV. I would recommend it if you want to play some old games with your friends and just have fun
You can buy cheap convertible adapters, HDMI to VGA, HDMItoAV, AvtoHDMI, and then mix them properly, you can see the PAL quality on a VGA Monitor, because Adapter can receive the PAL signals.
720p is good on modern TV. This console is not that powerful to play 1080p native
Can you load your own games on the SD card?
as long as the boot loader is not encrypted and what not that rockchip can hum along at 1.3 ghz with an overclock . and it helps ALOT
Saw these in a toy store in Northern Jordan. Had no idea they were available in the first world
Just got mine today for £12, the capcom and snk games run almost perfect.
So of the really old arcade side scrollers don't run well, so it's a hit and miss, most snes and mega drive is fine. And the PS1 is not really worth mentioning,
But for that price it's fine, plus playing Simpsons arcade with my daughter is golden. So I'd say 70 percent of the games work fine. And at that price it's great, especially if you're on the move
Planning on getting one of these for my 7 year old brother for his birthday 😂 he wants to play like Mario and stuff so I figured for $25 might as well
Update
I have one of these and its not too bad.A lot of crappy old games but plenty to keep you happy with some of the Nintendo/PS1 games.I paid $38 for it on Ebay and its a good buy..I just bought this for a bit of fun 👍
I just got mine from Ebay and ......it doesn't work
@@davidthorpe364😔
Almost bought this for my stapdad, but thanks to an honest and fun review I chose not to
You know about that bootleg Pokemon Diamond. I see you are a man of culture.
I love that game and the music is SO good.
Before Diamond actually came out, I was playing that on emulators and it just had this really janky vibe to it being passed off as "official" but just a reskin of another game. It was pretty good for the time. Haven't played it in AGES!
@@SMOOREZ I actually have been playing it since like the year 2002 on the same emulator (Rew) and i still love to play it. The music is so good because is the same composer as Castlevania 1 (Kinuyo Yamashita) and i was gifted the game guide too and it has very nice art. The mangas are expensive though....
Its a reskin of Keitai Denjuu Telefang Power Version and Jade of Speed version. Both games are pretty good and the monsters even have a personality and friendship mechanic.
Also, thanks for your reply, you are one of my favorite youtubers. Salutes to you and Ripley (She is adorable).
I had this for a bout a year before finally setting it up. I bought this for games like Final Fantasy 3 for the SNES, but was happy to find MAME for some of the arcade games I grew up with. Was happy to see Flashback for the Sega on there. Be nice if they had Shadowrun and Beavis & Butthead. Find out as soon as I figure out how to get my headset to work with the tv I have this hooked up too. Might be another year hehe.
However, maybe you'll answer a question? You turn off the tv this thing turns off? I can save my game and turn off the tv and walk away? Except for having enough power to maintain saves for games? Instructions are kind of trash.
I was surprised how good the device I ordered similar to this actually was ..
11:06 here’s to the thanos snapped tool 😂
15:35 Such beautiful music.
holy crap I'm so glad I watched this I completely forgot about the PS game driver!!!!!
I did a Google search of the RK 3032 and I found a dude on Reddit who had one of these chips in an old TV box. He said he was able to get Debian and Ubuntu to run on it. However; it was a giant pain in the rear to do as there's nothing for these so he had to build the images himself.
I enjoyed the video. The stick itself seems worthless; but, another commenter said that these controllers can do real analog on the sticks by fiddling with the Mode button. It might be kind of fun if you have a Dex dock, or an equivalent like a Steam Deck dock, to wire your broken Galaxy Fold, or any old Galaxy from the S8 up, to the TV and plug the dongle into a spare port on the dock. I assume it would connect to an Android phone over OTG being it was recognized by Windows, and if so you'd have a neat TV emulation console that could actually run things for next to nothing.
I tried to enable to analog wuth the mode button but no luck. Any clue how to enable it?
I take it ur massive doom fan 😁
It seems like you're trying to be Rarez.
That's okay. It's a wonderful channel that doesn't put much content out anymore. And there was always room for more people to cover the topics.
Good video. Liked and subbed.
this product really feels like the definition of "it tries". not terrible. not great. but relatively cheap and you'd probably get a laugh out of it.
My boy has a family pocket GP-40 that he connects to his TV. I bet this is much better for his use case and actually runs more games.
To add a custom firmware of some kind would be possible for something like emuelec as the dongle stick thing seems to be a glorified android box in a smaller form factor. So if you followed an install video of how to do it on a similar spec android box would most likely work on this. Would be cool to see if it works.
It looks like the non-volatile storage is just the microSD card, which you should be able to image with something else.
I have the model up from it, the 'GD10' which features, allegedly, 2GB RAM and an aigame905L CPU. I've not taken it apart to check.
N64 and PS1 games are a crapshoot, but pretty much everything else runs quite well.
If anyone buys one, I heartily recommend imaging the SD card, and burning that image onto one that isn't a wafer of shit. Other than that, it's great fun revisiting the Megadrive and SNES games I played with my kids when they were younger.
ROM legality aside, I paid £35 for mine, they're now £21. There's many hours to be had enjoying retro gaming. My TV looks quite good with it. Perhaps the CPU is a little whuftier in the GD10?
I've had no issues with the controllers.
ps. I've just bought a Powkiddy v90 for shits and giggles.
Would not get decent PS1 emulation for less than $60 . $30 is price range of SNES and MegaDrive.
11:54 yes it is an s4 look at ''3d'' settings icon
This things costs 12 USD for me, my friend bought one the other day. 😆
This one has some of the best Chinglish I've seen
Well, for the device, it's not bad, pretty good for 8-bit and 16-bit emulation. Not much use other than that, maybe to control the light of your house, some automation, but that's just about it as the CPU is very weak in today's standard (not even good for 1080p TH-cam playback). $30 is actually on par, but a little bit expensive in my opinion.
I bought one and it's okay for the price. I haven't tried to add or remove any games! It's just ideal for a bit of pointless old retro gaming!
Maybe if you manage to plug in a keyboard and also have plugged a usb with a low resource Linux distro and make it boot form the usb you could maybe install the linux distribution that's in the usb (i'm think of this because if it runs retroarch so maybe it can run linux)
Seeing a gadgets internals are satisfying
Because whyt ppl are aliens
Probably worth $30AUS just for the two controllers, Although the item itself would be better replaced with a Raspberry Pi running Batocera.
ETA well it would have been had the RaspPi prices not gone completely nuts!
My dad got me one, and I’m hoping to mod it, just gotta wait till someone figures it out and does it for me
Technically yes there are CRTs with HDMI on it however by that logic both the Xbox Series Consoles and PS5 support CRTs by the fact that these TVs exist
14:14 Paul has late stage 'right leg syndrome only' and Yoshimitsu has early stage signs of this same affliction.
This is my first retro console. I wonder if i can take another memory card and install another console os with more emulators.
whee can we find directions? I spend more time trying to figure out things when my son is not here. Ha! I love it! Wish we could get a joystick for Ms Pacman instead of the circle.
"Wireless pair battle"
that's what happens when you have 2 RC cars that use the same protocol and you get interference from your friends radio. J\K but "wireless pair battle" is hilarious, so is the picture of two guys dancing with photoshopped PS gamepads in their hands.
Also, FINALLY a device that allows me to game on my graphoscope.
What? You don't own a graphoscope?
"Alien Double Stupid" is right up there with the best bootleg game titles i've heard.
And if you're not grinding one box, then you're cheating on the other boxes you grind on. Have a little respect for your box, and please, for your boxes sake, if you choose to grind on more than one box, use protection.
My favorite Engrish game title i saw on an EBAY listing is subtle, yet full of chuckles: "NBA Basketball Jam"
I brought one from Temu and goes ok if you can ignore the stuttering sound and gameplay at times. Hard to find the game you want and have been able to find some using the search function . Tried to add a PS1 game but can’t seem to find it in any of the lists
there is a video on yt where a guy modded these that use firmware version 4.0 or 5.0 to be able to play more emulators and even use the real ps1 bios as i just uses the HLE BIOS built into retroarch
recently got mine and it will not stop freezing
7:38
what a shame, i came specifically here to see what your comment was about the TF feature.
I remember playing driver on the pc
you go into retroarch and change controls settings for kof set the buttons for a=b b=a c=y d=x once set all the games should work, i think the game stick default was that
That's a surprising amount of power out of a single board computer that size. I was surprised to see that it actually did emulate PS1 at all. Getting that to work on some crappy broken laptop and getting 2 controllers for it at that price point isn't easy so you have to hand it to the sneaky bastards, they've actually managed to build something that isn't all crap.
Would I buy it? Naw, I don't think so. Would I recommend it to someone who just wants to casually play some PS1 games on the cheap along with all the SNES and NES goodies, I actually might. Seeing as you can access the games folder you could make it contain only games you own as well.
Building those devices from scrap laptops or old computers is something I would recommend for anyone though, it's super fun. With all the great and free arcade style distros of linux available it isn't too hard to get it up and running either and that way you get to customize everything to where you like it.
Hello I Ordered one of these.. How were you changing The aspect ratio. On Your TV? or The Game it self.. Thanks.
Brilliant video although my eyes and ears hurt. Lol
Current situation on the market is that for $30 you could get emulator machines that would run decent emulation of 16-bit consoles, like SNES and Mega Drive . They usually try PS1 and N64, but hardware is too weak for that. For a decent PS1 emulation you need something that costs at least $60-70 .
Recommend any good ones?
@@kevinrecinos1163 Try to find channel Wicked package for China. He does mostly emulator consoles, lots of them, some good some bad. For example, he recently praised certain console based on Celeron chip that does PS1 and N64 flawlessly, and could even run some PS2 and Cube games (and Dreamcast of course).
I bought this and it loads on my TV but the image flickers to black and back again. I tried different cables and chargers but still happens. I connect it to a 55 inch phillips ambilight tv.
I love it
On this Device we can playing im Gran turismo, MGS and other best games? Or we have always only games from begin library ?
Oh, the thing aliexpress advertises to me every SINGLE *DAY*
Lack of Ripley cameo makes me a sad panda.
Ripley is a Sony fan girl and she's very disappointed that he reversed the PlayStation buttons. She'll get over it; but it's going to take lots of bribery on Shane's part. Possibly up to two cans of tuna, even!
OMG! I have this....didn't click until saw the green box. Everything on mine works fine except for MAME.....the run like crap...but, I like it.
Just bought almost same device on Amazon. Claims to have 20000+ games on a 64GB card. Directory is different though. 9 folders labeled 1-9. I'm assuming it's organized by console/emulators. Gonna copy the files onto a fast SanDisk Extreme Pro MicroSD card hoping it can speed the games a bit. Can't ask for much for under $40. Looks better than the roms on my PC and controls are already set up.
Curious if you ever tried a faster as card and did it help. Was thinking the same and if simply copying it worked or if the windows FS borked it
Gotta use a partitioning app in Windows 10/11 to format as FAT 32. Windows no longer supports formatting natively to that. then copy paste files to new card. Can't really tell if there is a difference in speed. Haven't played enough, but at least I know I have a backup and am now using a more reliable card.@@Frizzy9000
I would never buy something this janky.
But that was utterly fascinating. I haven't seen Atari 7800 games in ages.
Does anyone outside the US say S-N-E-S? It was always SNES growing up, I didn't hear S-N-E-S until the internet.
From US, always called it Super N-E-S.
Super Nintendo Entertainment System SNES yeah that's what I say, have seen both used!
So if you found one at a return store for $8 would it be worth giving it to your kid or something for Christmas or something?
i'd imagine after a while the stick gets hot plugged into the telly
Alien Double Stupid was ToeJam & Earl, you can see the image on the screen.
I had a 'Android Mini PC' which seems to bean identical form factor to this, and also had a dual core rockchip CPU, and was from 2011.
It ran stock Android Ice Cream Sandwich and honestly was great!
I'm not sure why I'm saying was, since I still have it and use it occasionally to play TH-cam videos and GTA III on the other TV
it can play GTA SA kinda, the framerate is good, but the storage is just far too slow, driving around at all brings so much stutter
emulation was about the same here, limits being around PS1, but since it was just android you could use whatever emulator you wanted and configure it as you please :)
I remember trying to find a update to it, and being unable to find the exact one I had, turns out there's several million identical rockchip powered TV sticks running Android like a little desktop PC.
Mine had a 5GB NAND flash internal memory though, yours seems to use only the SD card for storage.
but that may be helpful since,,,,
You can most likely find loads of firmware images for these android mini PCs, ones which use the same model of rockchip CPU and have similar CPUs, flash that to the SD card and it'll probably work with some trial and error
Running full android does take a bit of performance in itself, but it's just so much more open and you can of course play native android games if emulators are too intensive. :)
This is the perfect example of,
Can we have a (insert video game name).
We hav a professional game chip. It has the professional gammer on the box.
Parent walks in on their kid playing a game, looking aggravated, and fussing about something. Their sibling sitting there playing a handheld game.
Parent; how come both of you are not playing together on your new video game I just got you. Here, take this wireless handle, and play on the graphoscope. Those high elasticity and sensitivity button rockers are great for playing games on here. It is even designed with the controllers to be streamlined with the human body. It’s like you and the controllers are just a part of you. It’s even got the left and right, directory buttons to switch between things. I don’t remember any of your other games having those.
Don’t you like to travel without ink marks.
Want to get it for my 3 year old and it's a steal of a price. Would you recommend it
just wondering is there a way to swap out the controllers?
Basically just like a raspberry pi its running of an sd card which makes hacming and upgrading the os really easy. Might even be able to put a rpi 0 in it
would it work with a third party wired xbox series controller instead of the included ones?
Hi!!! Do you think its possíble ro add the zx spectrumgames / rom to it ?
Sagem, the brand that was bought by Samsung or Nokia like 15 years ago
"Turn a sniper rifle into a gatling gun."
Most games have a reloading animation for guns, so no matter how much you're spamming the button, it's not going to fire any faster. Using that to showcase their turbo button is very odd.
Well I bought it for fun some days ago. And guess what? On a CRT TV with a SCART to HDMI connecter (on my TV model) it looks good and the image is reduced to 480p or 576i or sum. But the stick still outputiing at 720p so it's laggy. At least those retro games feel more natural bc of the TV😂😂
I have one and it's stuck on the logo screen. After multiple resets, it will go to a screen that says Empire Storm and then back to the other ..
can we use different pads for this? like any classic knob joystick?
That version of pacman is very flashy... was called the SEARS pacman.. an old store!)
Just bought 1 at a local thrift for 26 hoping its not worthless....(!
i want to see actual retroarch running on this thing. the version that you put on a rasperry pi
I will help the viewers a little. Mine cost 14 USD and it became 1 dollor even cheaper nowadays on sale in Ale express.( I also don't promote this mall). Just you know it by even wrong spell.
The one is a bit cut version of this knock off. There is no menu about state slots. So there seems to be no state lots for memory. but it still has save states and load states. I think there is save fuction and this is updated version. No need slot concepts I guess. Do comments if you have any idea.
The controllers it has no on/off switch buttons and not written words on it. It is just a flat plastic stuff. But It is a better version also. You know what is select and start already don't you. Also this is cut off the cost and better for the lazy people who don't need a switch to turn it off. 10 seconds would take it turned off automatically.
The reason I guess this is a new and better version is also they removed tekken 3 ( not working good and no music). But there is tekken 2 which is more valuable and for me also there is nostalgia value, I played it alot of time in the arcade game commercial room.
64GB I picked is working fine. It is real 64GB and no brand name on it and working perfectly. Also cost off happened again with no painting job on it but incredible quality. I used 2 days only so far. So maybe I will add more comments its longevity. 25 dollars USD still OK for it. Buy 3 times if possible. worth the penny. It is a pure gift from the seller.
I’m looking for one with a working 1998 Star Wars Trilogy Arcade. Don’t know if it’s included? Thanks for any info
You can just take a hdd, put batocera on it and add the roms for free. The chinese options have doubles and missing titles. They just download rom packs and put it on there. If you take a old desktop hdd it will load everything many times faster.
Also those kinhank Chinese drives are full of malware
I was given one of these but I can't even get the menu screen to load. Are these known for being problematic that way?
Its also available on Temu
24:30 "Alien double stupid" yeah, it's "Toejam and Earl" or whatever. I have it on PS3 (emulated).... Never played it yet 😂
The long winding description really made by AI or something. 😂😂😂
How to charge remotes? and can I install other games?
Bought one from temu. It just keeps freezing. Unplayable garbage. Will be sending it back😂
Hi, what CPU it has??
Do you have the link that you bought it?
Thanks
Have any button layouts for the different consoles??? So confused
Neither of my controllers came paired with the system. Any idea how to do that?