I think people fail to understand that the reason you pay so much for the Forge World resin is that long ago Games Workshop baked in the cost of replacement and substandard mold pours. That way if you do receive a bad part they can just ship out a new whole product rather than keep just parts around.
You’re making a good point here. It’s also pretty typical of these niche products that prices stay high even when the production becomes more reliable, since there’s no real competition to regulate the market. Printing is an option for some, but it’s not really competition in the same sense.
If you read between the lines of the limited communication for Heresy, it's clear that the priority at the moment isn't the game, or fleshing out the infantry range, or other stuff the community wants. It's retiring as much resin as they can, with a specific focus on tanks and upgrade parts, and basic range launches for the old resin factions. In the annual report they even referred to Heresy as 'the plastification project'. I think this explains the weird release schedule and focus, a few infantry kits to keep the plebs happy but it has overwhelmingly been replacing resin ranges with plastic. With Krieg coming to 40k, that will mean the vast majority of Forge World kits have either been retired or moved to plastic.
Plastic thunderhawk would require two or three times as many sprues as the Baneblade; they'd have to ship it in a box the size of Ash Wastes or something. And unlike the big box sets, there'd be no way to recoup costs afterwards by breaking it up into smaller kits and selling those to people who don't want the single big set. I mean, I want one, and I hope I'm wrong, but I still think they've got the sprues worked out already, because artists gonna art and there's no way sculptors at GW haven't spent some of their time farting around with the idea in between sculpting other things. It's just that it takes so many sprues to make that it wouldn't surprise me if they've done the math and gone "This would require so many different expensive moulds and we'd have to sell all the sprues together forever; there's no way for us to make money on this thing."
@@StephenLeaSheppard I believe the redesign of the T hawk in cad, was the first step in the direction of a plastic one. When the redesign of the Land raider came out many moons ago the cost of that was unthinkable for GW. but they done it. and look where that lump has taken us in way of kits from them. Once they get it to how many sprues it be coming same for the Warhound. They know folks will buy them. tiny tim be begging his parents for the big ass new toy from GW. The only other thing its a flier, and we know GW dont like fliers at moment as the rules are shite.
@@StephenLeaSheppardoh no, a thunderhawk, which is currently like $700, would be a $250 big box in plastic? Of comparable shelf space to a... $200 box? Yeah, that would be unthinkable. Thunderhawks have been icons for over 30 years. For the main faction by sales. Releasing it with a $250 pricetag and it will still sell
A plastic Thunderhawk can feel a bit off, due to how impractical the proportions are for gameplay. However, I feel there’s a point in having kits aimed at those deep in the hobby who might enjoy a modelling challenge, having a cool display piece alongside your army, something premium that isn’t a new material requiring different skills and tools etc. I can see the Thunderhawk doubling as a terrain feature, maybe even as a main feature for Kill Team missions. If they made one with accessible interior, optional damaged parts, the possibility to build it in separate sections to have one being built/serviced, I think it could cadre to quite a few people actually. I know I’d def pick one up for terrain purposes. Really wish they’d do the same for a plastic Titan, I bet that would become part of plenty boards out there.
@@jamesespinosa690 oh, you’re missing my point. The Thunderhawk is for sure a premium collectors item. What I’m getting at are some reasons why GW might be incentivised to turn a very expensive and heavy collectors item into a cheaper, more accessible plastic kit. They’d have to move far more units to justify that change, and hence they’d probably want a broader target audience. Terrain are pretty much display pieces for many of us too, a plastic kit with modularity, optional damaged parts and accessible full interior could cadre to collectors, players AND those into terrain. Collectors already buy the expensive resin kit, turning it plastic and cheaper to just be nice towards collectors makes little to no business sense.
@@e.nordstrom3892 Dude. Everything GW does is a "premium collectors item"..... Second of all, YES it does make sense... I assume youre a leftist because clearly you don't believe/understand that lowering prices does infact make a company more money.... Making a product more accessible to the market, generally makes a company more money in the long run. This is well understood.
I would dream of plastic thunderhawk (or even storm bird) but I think the models are too big for the table game so I don't think the market is really there... I think models in size bitween stormraven and thunderhawk would have a better market : fireraptor and stormeagle !
Agree with most of your points, but nobody who came into the hobby because of SM2 is dropping 600 pounds on an expert build kit that would take them months to figure out, which is way different than picking up some plastic marines to see if they want to get into the hobby.
Interestingly the sicaran punisher and omega didn't get the update to make them compatible with the plastic sponsons. To me that feels like more evidence that they'll move to plastic eventually, but who knows
You know that by the time they do everything from finecast to plastic, with inflation the plastic will be near enough the price of the finecast stuff we see. I would love to see all plastic but part of me knows this will never happen.
Yeah bit of a poor showing from what was once great about forgeworld having it rolled onto the same webpage didn't simplify GW at all and the best stuff is usually sold out for a long time
For me, the thing I'm most disappointed in is that they can't for the life of them manage to keep consuls and praetors in stock. It's not like we're talking about stuff like heavy tanks, named characters, or legion specific terminator squads, we're talking single, semi-generic models that players of every stripe may want to be able to use. Hell, I don't even play Heresy, but I like to get praetors and consuls to paint as display pieces because they're so distinct from each other that they make great canvases to diversify my painting style. And that doesn't even cover the folks who want to get legion-specific champions for their 40k force. They just can't (or won't) for the life of them make enough to meet the demand, and it sucks.
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I think people fail to understand that the reason you pay so much for the Forge World resin is that long ago Games Workshop baked in the cost of replacement and substandard mold pours. That way if you do receive a bad part they can just ship out a new whole product rather than keep just parts around.
You’re making a good point here. It’s also pretty typical of these niche products that prices stay high even when the production becomes more reliable, since there’s no real competition to regulate the market. Printing is an option for some, but it’s not really competition in the same sense.
If you read between the lines of the limited communication for Heresy, it's clear that the priority at the moment isn't the game, or fleshing out the infantry range, or other stuff the community wants. It's retiring as much resin as they can, with a specific focus on tanks and upgrade parts, and basic range launches for the old resin factions.
In the annual report they even referred to Heresy as 'the plastification project'. I think this explains the weird release schedule and focus, a few infantry kits to keep the plebs happy but it has overwhelmingly been replacing resin ranges with plastic. With Krieg coming to 40k, that will mean the vast majority of Forge World kits have either been retired or moved to plastic.
Great points, I agree
Plastic Thunderhawk is pipeline dream
Once they work out the parts to sprue. It be coming. We all said this when the rumour of a baneblade was in talk.
Plastic thunderhawk would require two or three times as many sprues as the Baneblade; they'd have to ship it in a box the size of Ash Wastes or something. And unlike the big box sets, there'd be no way to recoup costs afterwards by breaking it up into smaller kits and selling those to people who don't want the single big set. I mean, I want one, and I hope I'm wrong, but I still think they've got the sprues worked out already, because artists gonna art and there's no way sculptors at GW haven't spent some of their time farting around with the idea in between sculpting other things. It's just that it takes so many sprues to make that it wouldn't surprise me if they've done the math and gone "This would require so many different expensive moulds and we'd have to sell all the sprues together forever; there's no way for us to make money on this thing."
@@StephenLeaSheppard I believe the redesign of the T hawk in cad, was the first step in the direction of a plastic one. When the redesign of the Land raider came out many moons ago the cost of that was unthinkable for GW. but they done it. and look where that lump has taken us in way of kits from them. Once they get it to how many sprues it be coming same for the Warhound. They know folks will buy them. tiny tim be begging his parents for the big ass new toy from GW. The only other thing its a flier, and we know GW dont like fliers at moment as the rules are shite.
@@StephenLeaSheppard like I said, it just a Dream pipeline not something GW can do in 1 or 2 decade.
@@StephenLeaSheppardoh no, a thunderhawk, which is currently like $700, would be a $250 big box in plastic? Of comparable shelf space to a... $200 box?
Yeah, that would be unthinkable.
Thunderhawks have been icons for over 30 years. For the main faction by sales. Releasing it with a $250 pricetag and it will still sell
Plastic Thunderhawk... Always dreamt of having one since I saw the old squared one and the tank transporter. Having one in plastic would be amazing.
A plastic Thunderhawk can feel a bit off, due to how impractical the proportions are for gameplay. However, I feel there’s a point in having kits aimed at those deep in the hobby who might enjoy a modelling challenge, having a cool display piece alongside your army, something premium that isn’t a new material requiring different skills and tools etc. I can see the Thunderhawk doubling as a terrain feature, maybe even as a main feature for Kill Team missions. If they made one with accessible interior, optional damaged parts, the possibility to build it in separate sections to have one being built/serviced, I think it could cadre to quite a few people actually. I know I’d def pick one up for terrain purposes. Really wish they’d do the same for a plastic Titan, I bet that would become part of plenty boards out there.
The majority of collectors, are very probably not gamers.
And even then, not all products have to cater to the gamers.
Your thinking is too small.
@@jamesespinosa690 oh, you’re missing my point. The Thunderhawk is for sure a premium collectors item. What I’m getting at are some reasons why GW might be incentivised to turn a very expensive and heavy collectors item into a cheaper, more accessible plastic kit. They’d have to move far more units to justify that change, and hence they’d probably want a broader target audience.
Terrain are pretty much display pieces for many of us too, a plastic kit with modularity, optional damaged parts and accessible full interior could cadre to collectors, players AND those into terrain. Collectors already buy the expensive resin kit, turning it plastic and cheaper to just be nice towards collectors makes little to no business sense.
@@e.nordstrom3892 Dude. Everything GW does is a "premium collectors item".....
Second of all, YES it does make sense... I assume youre a leftist because clearly you don't believe/understand that lowering prices does infact make a company more money....
Making a product more accessible to the market, generally makes a company more money in the long run. This is well understood.
I would dream of plastic thunderhawk (or even storm bird) but I think the models are too big for the table game so I don't think the market is really there... I think models in size bitween stormraven and thunderhawk would have a better market : fireraptor and stormeagle !
What? The Stormbird is gone? I'd have wanted one in the future :(
Agree with most of your points, but nobody who came into the hobby because of SM2 is dropping 600 pounds on an expert build kit that would take them months to figure out, which is way different than picking up some plastic marines to see if they want to get into the hobby.
Interestingly the sicaran punisher and omega didn't get the update to make them compatible with the plastic sponsons. To me that feels like more evidence that they'll move to plastic eventually, but who knows
Plastic breachers aside, please GW plastic Fellblade
Any chance of an imperialis militia or daemons of the ruinstorm video?
You know that by the time they do everything from finecast to plastic, with inflation the plastic will be near enough the price of the finecast stuff we see. I would love to see all plastic but part of me knows this will never happen.
Don't forget that Sold Out Online usually means that it's been discontinued. You can speculate from there.
Yep, seems like Rapiers and Sicaran variants will be coming to plastic soon
Yeah bit of a poor showing from what was once great about forgeworld having it rolled onto the same webpage didn't simplify GW at all and the best stuff is usually sold out for a long time
For me, the thing I'm most disappointed in is that they can't for the life of them manage to keep consuls and praetors in stock. It's not like we're talking about stuff like heavy tanks, named characters, or legion specific terminator squads, we're talking single, semi-generic models that players of every stripe may want to be able to use. Hell, I don't even play Heresy, but I like to get praetors and consuls to paint as display pieces because they're so distinct from each other that they make great canvases to diversify my painting style. And that doesn't even cover the folks who want to get legion-specific champions for their 40k force. They just can't (or won't) for the life of them make enough to meet the demand, and it sucks.
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Thunderhawk and Mastodon in plastic, why not right?
Opportunity cost.