No. Some of us are definitely giving GW the finger and turning to other companies who produce better made games and don't constantly try to rape our wallets.
I sent them a boomer style email- “would it kill you to do something cool for your customers just once this decade?!” I play GW games, but I’ve radically curbed my GW spending. I have both sla and fdm printers creating my content. Each was cheaper than one army apiece.
Ever since they removed the original 5 man cultist squad that only costed 15 bucks, and replaced it with a 10 man cultist squad that costs like 50+ dollars, I have been so annoyed with their practices
ya its crazy they claim to only raise prices 5% per year, when we can point to hundreds of examples like this, where they have nearly doubled prices, by just replacing, or reboxing an item at a massive premium. sang guard are a perfect example, old box 5 models, new box 3 models, but same price. 40% shrinkflation.
@@WarHammerMani miss the 12 dollar boxes, so you could try warhammer out, or maybe make those boxes availible to newcomers..... only getting 1 marine, is not gonna seduce people to start a hobby where you have to spend 60 bucks a box to have 90 points..... cant spend 300 bucks to only get 500 points on the board....thats crazy
Comparing prices to a couple decades ago, GW prices have gone up barely above inflation in the UK while sculpt quality has gone way up. Its never really been a cheap hobby. The issue with GWs prices isn't really the price itself but mainly when they do things like cut sanguinary guard (or anything else) from 5 to 3, make short supply of boxes to get money from FOMO, make models you bought previously with money obsolete in game etc.
@@officialteaincorporated243 No it is the price too. It's a rip off for what you get. £40 for 5 flayed ones and you need like 40 of them for a big army lol. Who are you kidding defending that shit lol. They are greedy, stop being a useful idiot.
victrix sold 60 vikings with loads of options for the same price as 10 intercessors. the quality is pretty much the same and victrix is a tiny company compared to GW. both from UK. why are their prices so different, when everything that justifies those prices is the same?
@@chief1721 Victrix is hardly the same quality. I really like Victrix models and I stock a very small amount of them in my store, but their quality is about the same as GW's 20 years ago, not today. I do love that vikings kit though. I paint to resell a lot for extra personal income and I do about 1-2 packs of those a year typically. There is always a market for more historicals. Though currently I'm working through Gripping Beast's Hirdsmen instead of another pack of Victrix models just because I got it on clearance at another hobby store I visited.
So does Wizards and the Pokemon company. I don't even play TCGs anymore due to not being able keep up with the releases. Feels like there's a new set every week now. I just can't afford the commitment, be it time or money. Tabletop gaming kinda came in and demolished the competition anyway. Building and painting is where it's at now.
Adapt or die means sometimes you die. Most of the time infact. So yeah, I don't see them learning from this. They'll likely go bankrupt long before they offer good business practices.
@@jrjp01 And sometimes you're stupid until you kill a product; this is what Hasbro did do Heroscape. The rules divide units into uniques and commons; when you build an army, you can only have one of any unique unit, but as many of each common unit as you want. But in an 'inspired' marketing decision, Hasbro would only sell expansion sets to the game stores in whole boxes, which had the three different common packages and the one unique package -- so players would buy _one_ of the unique packages and several of a common package they were interested in, but for every 'extra' common package they bought, the game store wound up with a unique package they couldn't sell, because the game rules meant you couldn't use extras. Rather than build up unsellable inventory, the game stores reduced their orders, and Hasbro watched the sales drop until they decided to pull the plug on the game entirely, instead of looking at _why_ the sales were dropping and fire the *one* person who'd made the whole-box sales decision. All it takes is overweening greed -- or overweening stupidity -- and a company can easily cripple themselves because they *won't* see that what _they're_ doing is the crux of the problem, and it's not the playerbase losing interest in the game.
A single Blood Angels Captain is $74 in Australia. Their pricing is absolutely INSANE. For reference that $74 dollars buys me at least 2kg of resin and I can print 2-3 entire armies of Blood Angles...
it's absolutely baffling that GW thinks they can sell unpainted plastic at such high prices. Look up how much a Blood Angels JoyToy figure costs....we're talking about a fully painted articulated figure.... or even anime figurines, or gundam kits. GW's prices are insane considering what you get: unpainted plastic. They should cost even less than 3D printed because they can mass produce via injection molds.
@@zahylon5993 Gundam is really leaving money on the table by not having a tabletop game to use their kits for. Of course, where the company fails, the fans rise up.
During WH40k 8th edition, AoS 2nd edition, KT 2018, WHU Shadespire, and Warcry first edition, I collected multiple armies and warbands, terrain kits, etc. The double faction boxes were awesome, and easily affordable if you had a friend to split the kit when a faction was not your cup of tea. Right now, GW has literally priced me out of the hobby.
I have 20k pts of necron and 15k pts of tyranid colelcted since 3ed to 9. they priced me out with the last edition. I got 2 leviathan box tyranids side for a total of 200 CAD but the rest is just to expensive and make no sense. I purcahsed 1 3d printer and started doign 3d print mini for dnd and warhammer. it cost me litteraly 300 CAD to get the pritner + 1 haruspex, 2 lictor, 20 dnd mini and on domm scyth.
I always thought GW was incredibly predatory of hyperfixating people. Here's this endlessly big world with hundreds of novels inside it, and a highly collectable miniatures line alongside it... But the minis cost more money than anyone has. That, plus their constant outreach to schools to form clubs, is pretty fucked. They suck you in with a lifelong obsession and hope you become a whale for life
@@mattyorshin all I see on ebay is people trying to sell 3 time the price a badly painted box, or NIB. Into the dark is now at 500$ CAD compared to 200 CAD at realese XD. Though it might be the canadien market of secodn hand that jsut suck. People keep trying to sell full price thier broken shit.
ya GW tax is insane. its crazy they are one of the only companies on earth, that chooses not to use actual exchange rates, and just makes up its own pricing by region!
@@WarHammerMan It's incredibly Common. I'm Australian and as we've been historically an isolated market this sort of pricing is standard. Levis won't allow stockists to ship internationally here because they charge us double what 501s go for in the US. Video games have always been more here.
@@danieldare9245I've never understood why Aussies have to pay more for a video game download where there's no physical product to be shipped / handled. It's almost like they think "well, we charge $150AU for the physical product, so we can charge the same for a download because they're used to paying that much".
@@Kingofdragons117 the new rebox with the cardboard tokens costs 80 dollars, I also bought a discounted one when I saw the price increase. Shits crazy.
yep, GW once again created a bunch of hype, and tricked consumers and FLGS into buying in, only to be stuck holding the bag. it wont be long before these are being liquidated for 50% off, so stores can just get their money back! same with into the dark, skaventide, dominion, and many other big boxes.
Yeah buy full printed army that you barely have glue together for $200 or pay $200 for less than half an army GW became so successful they no longer feel the need to create a worth while product. I thank them for the ideas but they make less creative and quality work then 3rd party artists
there is def a surge of excitement for space marine 2, but this has nothing to do with that. its the opposite, people arent buying like they have been over the last 3-4 years.
@@588hollythe issue is space marine 2 was definitely meant to go with leviathan they had a Titus box set that was terrible. So when space marine 2 came finally out it was skaventide and killteam. Levitation was old news at most there might be a few more sales of leviathan/combat patrol but that’s it. GW definitely priced out people over skaventide the prices are ridiculous even by GW standards.
The double price hike during the plague while the majority of the world were being forced to stay home and not work is what made me save up for a 3D printer. Haven’t looked back since and I just use 8th edition rules for all my games, or one page rules from time to time.
I haven't bought GW in almost a year, especially after the latest price hike. $62 for 10 unpainted, unassembled minis? $250 for a box set? I can buy a 4k 3D printer for less than $300 on black friday, and quality STLs are getting more and more available. GW is going to go the way of blockbuster if they're not careful with their greed.
I am not forking over 80 buckeroos for a battletome that wont see the light for that long + some cards that are probably also not valid anymore soon enough.
@@joshuacouture479 facts. Feels pointless to purchase. If consumers don't change their habits tho, GW has no reason to stop. I'm definitely not buying any codexes moving forward
The funniest part : Horus Heresy prices. Sometimes, I dream about the time edition starter boxes were 80 euros..... And a squad+ a leader + a vehicle/dread in a box were 60.
I think my first box set, the space marines vs orks (2000's-2010's) was like $60-100 but it had everything for 2 armies in it, such a great box set. The new starter set is a bit pricey, I liked the one before, the space marines and necrons one? That was actually decently priced here in Australia for like $50-$65, which is similar priced to Settlers of Catan and other popular boxed games. The prices now here in Australia are outrageous, the age of darkness Horus Heresy set is more expensive than buying a resin 3D printer, I can get a 14k printer and like 2kg of resin for $50-$70 less than that box set.
It’s also box sizes and contents. Back in the (late) 2000s you could get 20 guardsmen for 15 euros. Not as a bundle or anything, just the normal unit box on shelves. That’s insane value compared to today.
Fear of Missing out only works until you miss something you wanted. It's one of the reasons I am no longer interested in Ashes of Creation. Already missed out on a lot of stuff due to changing preorder/purchase/donate perks.
ya its why a ton of people quit kill team. they miss a box or two in a row, then just quit buying. its a terrible tactic, and not sustainable over time.
GW needs to learn they're supposed to be making tabletop combat games. If you can't get the pieces to play the game 95% of consumers will just give up and do something else.
In general i agree, I fear that with the success of Space Marine 2, it has brought a whole bunch of new blood that will slowly be sucked dry all over again. So GW can continue on this path for a bit longer
ya def a new influx of excitement. but many are young, and the majority of GW sales are older, more well off individuals. i dont expect this new influx to last, or be as beneficial as you might think
Maybe if they stopped trying to be a media conglomerate and just licensed out the IP to people who already have the capital to do a whole tv season or feature film, they wouldn’t need to keep revenue so bloody high. They need to do three things; one cut the animation studio and license the ip, two free rules with warhammer plus, thirdly have factories or auxiliary factories in their biggest international markets. Put one in Japan (they do incredible minis, one in the US or Canada, on in aus or nz. That dramatic cut import tax and shipping letting those savings be passed to their consumers which will make bring in more customers. They are one of the biggest toy companies in the whole world, they can’t continue being stupid and trying to use a single factory. They’ll literally implode if that factory becomes inoperable. It’s ballistic.
i dont think they care who they sell to. the only thing they prefer is direct sales through the web-store, because they cut out the middle man (our friendly local game stores)
I think it's likely safe to say that the big starter boxes fall more into the "purposefully overproduced" category, while any other expansion box sets tend to land more in the FOMO range.
It really bothers me how I still fall for it. If I want something, as someone that works graves on weekends and come home, my brain refuses to let me sleep until I order what I want.
Pretty soon people will be buying scanners that scan GW minis in 3D, convert that into 3D printer files, sharing it and printing their own versions. Basically pirating them and feeling like Robin hood while doing it. That's how people respond to gross overpricing. They will want the product but lose the loyalty.
oh ya, its def happening now. people have been doing this. or taking the digital files from games like Warhammer video games, and then making stl's out of them. GW is pretty quick to crack down on anyone trying to sell their stuff though. i dont think overpricing justifies theft, but i get what you mean. its the same with recasts. if GW didnt charge insane prices, we wouldnt have a global black market for tabletop minis
Space Marine 2 is feeding them a massive influx of new suckers that have no experience with gw and don't know any better. I think this video is an incredibly optimistic view. I don't think GW will ever stop being GW
there is def a big influx of new excitement from space marine 2. that being said, there is no bigger customer, than the existing one. the new players, are often younger, and less excited to pay the crazy prices. the proof is in the new stuff, when items that were selling out in minutes or days (all the brand new, and limited stuff), stops selling out in weeks, and lasts months, thats clear proof, not optimism. that is what we are seeing, and i pointed out in the video
@@WarHammerMan GW also cares little about stuff sitting on stockists shelves. They made their money from distribution. The stockists is who is left holding the bag. You could argue that stockists would order less on future orders because of it, but people will just order direct which makes GW more money anyway. I think we have a long way to go before we see any kind of "correction" from gw. They announced in excess of £200 million in profit in June.
@@nukem8128 i have given some thought, but that implies that i do research prior to buying one, need to figure out a space to put it inside my house so that the smell doesnt make me mad and the 3d printing learning being a whole separate thing...maybe not rn
I missed out on the Blood Angels Army box and at that point I stopped building that army. Went to Warlord games and bought army boxes that work out to one dollar a figure in the Pike and Shotte series.
2019-2022 was the boom of a ton of speculation markets such as sports cards, Warhammer managed to get themselves caught up in that hype and tons of people not interested in the product bought stuff because of the resale prospects that didn't pan out.
ya there was def a bunch of artificial demand from the "collectors boom" its all gone now, with very little speculation, and reverting to actual demand.
How likely do you think it is that this is a result of the consumer base regularly complaining about product availability? Also, how likely is it that the ridiculous pricing is an attempt by GW to fight scalpers? I'm not buying GW products anymore, but it does make me smile to see that anyone can go to the GW website and have these kits available for order, should they want them. I'm not pro-GW, I'm anti-scalper. Fuck Scalpers.
When GW squatted my SCE Sancrosanct army I bowed out and vowed never to buy GW again. Can't go past 6+ years with my SCE but Eldar players can go decades without worry of models getting squatted.
I don't think Hivestorm was ever meant to sell out instantly, I think big edition boxes like that are printed with the intention of staying in stock for around for a year or two
you are speculating on what you think, is meant to happen, but you're wrong. the starter sets are meant to sell for the edition length. the launch boxes are limited, and GW intends to sell them all quickly. they sold poorly, which is why GW sent double orders to many, many FLGs without them wanting them. GW is stuck with massive stock of hivestorm, and doing scummy things to try and offload them, before having to send them to the liquidators.
They're fighting against time. it won take long before every hobbyist has a 3d printer. this is just them pulling as much cash out of your wallets before the figure market dies.
ya i have a conspiracy theory that GW will invest in 3d printer companies, and eventually just sell its IP for licensing rights, and quit producing models. entirely
Little plastic toys are a luxury product that people will drop first as times get tight, which we all know they are. Simultaneously jacking up prices doesn't help either
All I can say is I am building the Kill team Hivestorm box today, and I love this box. I am a sucker for the terrain sets. Paid $195 got it fast. Happy with this one.
Here in Italy we pay much less, all GW retailers do 25% off on all GW stuff, this means hivestorm is 135€ only (148 USD) and they still have plenty of it; if the exchange rate EUR/USD would have been better for you (like 1:1) we would have paid almost 100 USD less than US full price...incredible how different is
There is a possibility that the marketing depth will look at the failing FOMO of the Kill Team release and state "Kill Team Fatigue" and just reduce its releases to focus their going FOMO pricing on a different aspect of the product lines... completely missing the overall exhaustion of the customer bases Wallets. GW has been doing at least one noticeable price increase a year for almost 25 years if not longer, I'm betting they figure customer Wallets are an inexhaustive resource they can keep digging deeper into.
skaventide is reasonable since its the starter box of 4th edition so they wanted to make it easy for people to get 40k however they clearly want fomo and think the most sauseless marines ever would sell just because theyre marines
leviathan and skaventide were basically the same box, one for 40k, the other for sigmar. if you think for one second, GW didnt want/expect skaventide to sell out, just like leviathan did, you're 100% wrong. GW didnt do the community a favor by overproducing skaventide, its just not as popular, and once again, they massively overhyped sigmar, and the customers didnt buy it. i get that you like sigmar, and not so much 40k, but understand your bias is very obvious. GW just wants to sell as much product as possible, for the highest profit, thats it. they didnt overproduce skaventide, to make it easy for people to get. thats what the starter sets are for. skaventide flopped, thats the truth, like it or not
In the case of the First Founding Special Edition book, the reason it's not sold out is actually quite sneaky: It's a "special order item" (ie they'll make as many as they get orders) so it literally cannot get sold out (while the order period is open). I was almost tempted to buy this one, because I'm a sucked for collector book and GW did a perfect job at conditioning me to think their collectors book are very valuable due to their extremely limited run... but this one isn't even a limited run. Then I realized it's a A4 sized book, that shows up with a handful of very cheap looking A4 "posters" (if you could even call them that), a set of coins that while nice is literally just cheap stuff you'll get made for pennies in a chinese factory, and a book that's not particularly thick.... AND ITS NOT EVEN "rare" since it's print on demand. 200 bucks for that is INSANE! Even 100 would be stretching it. GW has totally lost the plot.
na you're wrong my dude. its a pre order item, not a made to order item. if it was MTO it would say so in the store, and say there was a 180 day delivery time. special order, just means its only available direct from GW, but it is very much limited, and ships on 10/26 when the pre-order window is up. it hasnt sold out, because its over priced, and not popular, that is all.
@@WarHammerMan If you go on the item page on their site, look between the name of the item and its price, you can see "Pre Order. Special Order Item". But you may be right, after double checking, it seems that this appellation is... not very consistent. It covers both limited edition items, as well as made to order. The thing is, unlike other limited edition books like Eidolon, they don't make any mention of book having a serial number or anything... It's weird, but yeah, I could believe that it's indeed a limited run, and that nobody is buying it because for that price a basic A4 book with a couple of metal pogs is just not worth it.
especially since all the newer art in the books sucks now. compared to how cool and creative the art was 20 years ago, those rule books were worth collecting. now their books are like modern cars, they all just look the same.
I don't think they imagined Skaventide would sell out, it's not 40K. They can just transfer the Skaventide plastic to their individual kits. Always seems strange, they make to few, they are toxic, they make more and they have failed.. weird.
na, its all about what GW produces relative to what they expect to sell. if they build an entire business on selling out, then dont sell out consistently, its worth pointing out, that their sales tactics and marketing, which are toxic, no longer work. which means the prices are too high. not sure how this is weird.
@@davidshaw123451001 ya lots of people use love/hate tactics to get attention. the way to tell if you can trust someone is if they arent in a specific cult. so if they post both positive, and negative stuff, its clear they arent pandering to the audience, or sold out to the company. they are giving their actual opinions, on topics, regardless of if its going to please the extreme cults of love or hate, for something or someone. as you can clearly see, i post honest opinions, and am quick to point out when GW is doing trash practices, and also to pat them on the back when they are doing good. if you cant tell an honest take, from a one sided cult member, take a closer look, its pretty obvious, once you know what to look for. as far as "drama" you'll notice i intentionally avoid all politic topics, gender arguments, and the likes, even though those are very popular, and get tons of views.
This. If they produce enough its a failure, not enough they are greedy toxic fomo overlords. My understanding is they had added more manufacturing capacity and completely redid their warehouse infrastructure after the boom in sales. They are probably just catching up to demand now. FOMO marketing has a place, but it's not great for the bottom line. You would rather have the sale
There was a period within the last year or so (can't exactly remember when), there were eight weeks in a row, that, I lost out out in buying anything I had wanted due to FOMO. Everytime my time to buy in the queue opened up, got the "sold out" screen. It curtailed my spending on their products, considerably. Now, I just buy what I want, be it single minis or when they shit the bed, which has been a lot lately, and buy a box at deep discount.
yep the fomo bubble has popped, once you miss a few things, you dont even bother trying. anyone arguing contrary is delusional. appreciate your personal anecdote, i've heard hundreds of similar ones, especially in regards to kill team expansions, limited boxes, and books. cheers
thats not how it works. we have seen for the last 3-4 years, items go up for pre order, and sell out in minutes. these items are already produced and sitting in a warehouse. the 2 week pre-order period is designed to sell out the product, and then ship, prior to release, as we have seen with popular products for years.
i dont disagree. but if you hold your breath, and wait for the asteroid, you'll be gone before they are. GW will not be going anywhere, any time soon. they are literally more popular than ever.
I bought, built, painted, and then sold a Necron army before ever learning how to play because the rules changed many times before I even finished the army. I have the 10e book and felt like so much changed and keeps changing that I don't want to invest in the game after all. Too expensive for sure. At least I got back the money I put into it.
… The Necron rules have barely changed since their codex released. They’ve been one of the most stable armies in Warhammer since 10th editions start… And I don’t even like 10th. The majority of Necron changes have been to their points costs, and making sure that their rules are clear. Prime example being that of nerfing the Plasmancer + Tesla Immortals 5+ Exploding (as in more to hit rolls are generated) Devastating Wounds (wounds that counted as Mortal Wounds) in Canoptek court. It was changed so that only Canoptek units could use that-… in a rule set that is designed to benefit canoptek units… And I am going to say this, and it will sound mean: but you’re an idiot. You sold an army based on how it played, rather than how they looked, rather than how much you liked their lore. Their stories… Thats incredibly shallow. The GAME, is a very tiny portion of Warhammer. There is more books, and lore, than games that could be played. There is more time to be spent painting, and relaxing with your models, than playing. Who cares if this edition is changing too frequently. Either wait until the next edition, OR do what I did and play an older edition. The rule books are free, as they’ve been out of print for years, and so are archived. You can use proxy models. No one will fault you for not having era appropriate models in those cases. And going to be real: 4th edition has been the most fun I’ve had with a 40K system.
@ you’re quite passionate about 40k to write so much and insult a person who just said the game for them is too expensive and rapidly changing to want to invest in. I hope you’ll still be able to enjoy the game even if I’m not playing it. Ha ha
I picked up Lord Vigilant on Gryph Stalker from an ebay reseller for equivalent 20 USD, thats over 10 points per dollar for a super sick unit. Crazy sale
Dropped Underworlds because I couldn't keep up. Did not play 2nd Ed KillTeam because of "seasons" and cutsie measuring tools. Lost interest in Necromunda because of rules bloat. FOMO products make me gag and I refuse to pay the prices anymore. Now have upgraded to Bambu A1 and Uniformation GK2 printers and am having fun. You are right about alternative rules and environments - I have recently bought SW Legions, gotten back into Bolt Action, participated in the Mantic Epic Warpath KS. Saw a Legion Imperialis box on eBay for almost 1/2 price today. Love the lore, hate the prices.
I'm glad my local store buys used miniatures and sells them for dirt cheap. I was able to get a good amount of stuff for my Salamanders thanks to them selling second hand products.
Also contributing to the drop in interest in the new Skaven starter box is that Stormcast players were just told that half their collections they've been building for 6 years are not going to be supported because of model bloat lol. Same for most of GW's books, be they codex or otherwise. The new edition is not great. They're killing themselves by focusing on tournaments and simplifying the game into stupidity. They've forgotten they became succesful by being an amazing high quality model company, not a high quality stock company.
most of the units that went away, just got replaced with new kits. standard for any game, when they update the model range. anything that got removed, can just be proxied for a similar datasheet. so in my opinion, a lot of unfounded noise, and nothing to do with the lack of popularity of skaventide. i do agree, sigmar 4.0 is pretty weak. its like checkers, and 40k is chess. no comparison.
I bought a metric ton of WH40K between 1990 and 2014. Since then, only a box set or two. Prices are crazy now. Oh and the whole “you will not be missed” BS really pissed me off so I went to gunpla and have been having a blast!
GW has consistently raised their prices ahead of inflation for decades, it was always only a matter of time before a collapse starts and once it does it's unlikely to stop before the company sinks. The people at the top won't be able to stop the decline because they're too busy filling their pockets on the way out the door, seen it all before
ya they def use inflation as an excuse. if inflation was actually an issue for them, we would see their profits declining. but we dont, so clearly they are beating inflation, with their insane price increases. then just throwing a pity party, to try and justify it.
I'm looking into a skirmish wargame to buy and was looking between kill team hivestorm and moonstone, hivestorm is 180€ and both starter editions of moonstone is 180€ (you can play with 4 if you got both), but with hivestorm you get 22 figures and terrain with moonstone you get 16 figures but a new kind of combat (i like to call it poker combat). Currently i'm thinking of buying moonstone and then when hivestorm is like 50% off.
i think the most important factor, when purchasing a game, to play, is who will you play it with. so depending on what your local community plays, or friends and family are interested in. you should def take that into mind. part of why i play almost exclusively games workshop games, is because they are the largest/most popular. so because i play regularly, i will always gravitate towards the most popular games. it doesnt mean i wont play other games, but i've seen hundreds of games and companies come and go over the last 30 years. GW is a pillar of tabletop gaming, so i always gravitate towards them. but i do play games like D&D also, but who you will play with, and what type of ongoing support the games will have, are very important factors. cheers. good luck with your decision, and have fun gaming!
As a French customer is can have a 30% discount just by buying from england and get a total tax free by passing my parcel by ireland... So instead of 150€Silent King... i get it for 98€. Add to that absurd prices dones by GW i just can't imagine the prices done in overseas shops... Time to go on indie games (Mantic, TT Combat, etc...).
I got into warhammer a few months ago and was excited to try and paint some blood angels, saw the price of the models and immediately thought "nope". Some of the models cost 3 times my current paycheck. I bought dawn of war for sale and has been enjoying it.
I used to dabble in 40k models as a kid, then I got schizophrenia and stopped all my hobbies. Recently, I wanted to connect with my old interests, I wanted to paint a model, then I saw the prices. I got pretty sad about it, I don't have the cash for that as my illness is expensive enough. I hope they drop the prices.
@@WarHammerMan It is great, I love having none combat characters that contribute. They managed to capture the 1-4 GOT battles and the scheming that goes on before the battle. You play both sides at the same time, but the game implies the scheming section happened before the battle. You also activate 1 unit each, instead of waiting for people to finish their turn. Its also cheaper than warhammer and minies come assembled.
I'll admit, I bought that $200 book. I didn't know there was a cheaper version of it that was released, and how much cheaper it was then. As soon as I got it, and realized that it was still in stock on the website days after, I felt like I had made a mistake. I don't buy things with the intent to sell them. I don't really even buy them with the intent of them gaining any value. I wanted the book, and it seems so hard to get your hands on anything like that. It's always sold out instantly, and the only way you can find something worthwhile is on eBay for insane markups. For that reason, I jumped on that book when I did. Lessons learned
@@WarHammerMan my opinion is they know the ends coming and are just trying to kick the can down the road while extracting as much profit as possible before they fold. The ip will then get sold and lord only knows what will happen.
@@WarHammerMani agree, at the moment they are hanging on but once the dividends start drying up and share price is in obvious decline the holders will jump ship and it'll be fairly rapid. Very telling when senior finance team members leave the company and immediately sell a majority of their shares.
Ok that new special edition First Founding is a ridiculous price. I bought the previous hardback version of this book and it’s a great book, with fantastic new artwork, loads of lore etc in a lovely hardback book with a great cover design. This version cost me £45. As far as I can tell the new version costs nearly 3x as much at £120 in the UK and the only extras are a slipcover, leather cover, coins and some printed cards. Heck of a price hike in 20 months.
ya its a crazy price, for what amounts to the same book, and a few trinkets. GW has gotten out of hand with this stuff, the special edition in particular is pure fomo for collectors.
I don't understand your logic. If gw produces small quantities, sold out instantly and creates fomo is bad, then why are you happy that overproduced skaventide/hivestorm didn't get sold out? If anything, this will push them back into underproducing again.
The first issue is the game stores get stuck with stock that doesn’t move because everyone already has one, GW can throw them away game stores have bought them from gw to sell so they loose much more. Issue two is the pricing if they want people to buy the sets they have to make the deal better or lower the price which favors the consumer. Under production favors recasts and 3d printing who can fill in the demand of the average consumer for cheaper
Every time TH-cam recommends this channel to me, he is always just bashing GW constantly so I am not surprised. Yea I get it, GW sucks, but it is like the dude’s brand to hate on them.
The whole evidence of the video is that an online store has a product in it that launched in the last month. That's a perfectly normal (and healthy) state of affairs for most companies. I haven't seen explicit advertising that generates FOMO, I think they just haven't kept up with growth (scaling manufacturing is not trivial) up until recently. I bought Hivestorm at full price and I don't feel like I was ripped off; there's a lot of plastic in there and it comes with lots of supplements. I'm glad higher stocks will mean more people can get it at a lower price, but people with the means to get it weren't ripped off.
@@shanesnover4048 I agree. I paid full price for hivestorm on release and I'm more than happy. This is my first terrain set and the largest box I've purchased. I don't see how people complain about GW prices when milk and everything else has gone up dramatically. If anything, I would say GW is doing a good job of keeping the hobby affordable. They sell a lot of extra fluff like brand name brushes and such, but the people complaining about prices have already put thousands of hours and dollars into the hobby already. Their value per dollar per hour is WAY higher than mine right now, and I still feel I got a good deal on money spent. I've played 10 games of killteam by myself and I am so happy I've found a multifaceted tactical war game tabletop hobby to sink into. I used to pay for video games, spending ludicrous amounts for titles I won't ever pick up again, in digital form. I can't even play dawn of war 1 remaster as LAN. The software is no longer supported. You want to talk overpriced? Look at the gaming industry crash right now. Consumers are waking up to the lack of value per hour that video games afford them. People who have been in the hobby for years may complain about pricing, but they're living in am echochamber. Also. Why do you need to build another space marine chapter army? Can you really paint like it's a full time job? Who paints so much and so fast that they run themselves out of income on this hobby? We are all still here today to bitch on the internet, presumably with bills paid and our currently owned miniatures not sitting out in the rain. GW should charge us all more.
I really hope that they reevaluate their price tactics, but I am glad that products are on stock again. their kill team prices really made me speechless. if they were just a bit cheaper I would have probably bought multiples and with that would have even startet a new 40k army. thats how i started my death guard and orks armies. but with this prices you don't just buy a kill team and I am for sure not starting a new army. I now force myself to paint all my stuff before i buy new shit.
Well pretty sure it's not Fomo marketing alone, but with the current inflation and the more recent Games workshop disrespecting their own customer/fanbase.
i agree, there is almost Never a single factor, in anything. but the fact is, take all those contributing factors, and we can see, that FOMO is def rolling over.
One old "Chaos Spawn".... 34.00€.... 10x Necron Warriors AND 3x Canoptek Scarab. 41.00€ . GW's previous excuse was: 'Yes, but the price is due to the costs of artists and production. Ah, I see...
For the past 3 years I've completely rejected FOMO marketing in all my hobbies. No matter how cool it may seem or how good of a deal it looks I just don't buy it. I never buy deluxe sets or editions of products, nor do buy anything limited edition. If the base product doesn't seem worth the price to me, I live without the product. It's really helped me save money and cut down on the useless crap I have to store.
i dont think those ideas are mutually exclusive. i dont steal, because of morals. but i also think 3d printing is great. you dont have to be a thief, to 3d print. i also dont think stealing is justified, because its from a billion dollar company, and more than if its from your family... for me its not blind love, its morals.
I been buying on ebay. I love gw models and support my local gaming store, but i buy hand me diwns on ebay the most. Has saved me like 600$ on my Tyranids fleet so far.
I would LOVE to start building an army as a hobby but I simply can't afford it. Learning that FOMO has been plaguing the entire market far longer than when 40k was introduced to me last year certainly does not help. FOMO immediately ruins a product for me and kills all interest I have so I hope they can re-evaluate everything so I can afford even the most basic of units. (No, I can not afford a 3d printer either)
i think a lot of people share your sentiment. at this point i dont blame anyone for seeking alternatives, and supporting artists/companies other than GW
I've been a faithful Warhammer fan since 1996. I quit buying about a year and a half ago. The prices have gotten too absurd. Many other companies produce model kits in equal or better quality to GW for far less money. Even more so if you get away from models tied to game systems, for example Bandai's Gundam line.
Some of the prices for one mini would buy you 1st edition Space Hulk game, a box of paints, brushes and still have change for lunch back in the early 90's.
So, as someone getting into 40K I want to ask a question, should I hold off buying GW products right now (including metallic paints and glue)? I was considering going to a GW store tomorrow to buy some metallic paints, glue and maybe some Tzaangors but I will hold off if people don't recommend this.
That's up to you but I personally wouldn't buy anything at a GW store. You can usually get better deals at LGS's or online and with anything warhammer, you want to find the best deals as possible if you want official stuff. Paints are subjective, if you like the GW paints I'd stick with them, but there are other great alternatives such as Vallejo and the new army painter fanatic line.
its a great hobby, and game, so i'd def recommend getting into it. but check out the online prices for things like tzaangors. ebay in particular, you can typically find a nice discount on anything thats availablie in larger boxed sets, because people will buy the box, and sell the components at a discount. GW paints are nice, but i've been using more and more pro-acryl. its very good quality, and a much better price. the dropper bottles are also nice, because the paint doesnt try out, or risk spilling like GW paint pots do.
40k is def the cash cow, but dont think for a minute, Execs at GW arent noticing, box after box, failing to launch! they see whats happening, and are pushing out too much product, too often, at too high a price. the reckoning is coming!
The ONLY reason Skaventide didnt shift is BECAUSE it had stormcast tacked on, the majority who wanted Skaven were happy to wait 4 weeks for the single releases because people who werent already Simpcast stans didnt want them
na, its the price. you can always increase demand, by decreasing price. so if you think stormcast arent popular, and thats why it flopped, do you still think it would have flopped if MSRP was $200 instead of $265? i'm sure sales would be substantially higher.
@WarHammerMan Higher for sure but they would still struggle to move the units and they would still be warming shelves. Stormcast don't sell poorly BUT us Skaven players have been waiting years anyway, hence why we in the majority just waited for singles
Just bought a Bambu 3d printer . I’ve been printing warhammer armys just to play with mates and display . I have a kitbash and custom dark angel army green wing raven wing and death wing . I’ll be printing a dreadnought soon . I recommend doing what b you want with your money . If you are not going to tournaments and want an army . I’d recommend printing . Or eBay and 3rd party sites for 15 percent discounts here in the Uk . Might be more expensive where you are this another reason to print .
Looks like it's finally blowing up in their faces. Hopefully with Trench Crusade coming out, it'll cut their bottom line so deep that they have to actually respond in a way that's good for the customer.
i doubt that will ever happen. i also dont think trench crusade is going to be nearly as big as people hope it is. but what do i know. i'm pretty sure space marine 2, and an amazon contract are going to far outshine any new non GW games in popularity.
Started playing 40k with 10th after looking into it back in 4th edition. After couple bought pieces i ordered a 3d printer. Not going to pay those prices also can now print cool stuff for dnd and my kids later too :]
FOMO marketing Warhammer will also heavily suffer from cost of living increases because Warhammer is such an easy game to downsize as a consumer - just collect fewer armies. Once you've decided you can't afford to add Skavens to your collection, it's difficult to be afraid of missing out on skaven product.
Lol GW won't stop. Not for a while yet. From what I've heard they made record profit recently. Maybe eventually if the shareholders start losing money but until then the prices will continue to rise and this FOMO shit will continue. I doubt I'll live to see GW lower prices.
GW made record profits, this is correct. but they sold less volume, and raised the prices. this is unsustainable. GW never lowers prices, but the do have public shareholders for accountability. so when the new strategy stops working, GW will have no choice but to re-evaluate their decisions. the reckoning is coming
i love GW. but more and more my printer goes Brrr... A good thing happened to them during Covid where people returned and started the hobby. But rather than embrace and nurture the new influx, they grabbed it and slowly strangled as much money out of everyone as they could.
Customers are not rebelling - they're broke
as i specifically state in the video, i def think the impeding global recession is a factor.
Even worse for GW, It's both.
No. Some of us are definitely giving GW the finger and turning to other companies who produce better made games and don't constantly try to rape our wallets.
@@Harrower13 Yeah, I was gonna say the only way you're gonna find yourself broke is if you buy into this predatory horseshit.
I sent them a boomer style email- “would it kill you to do something cool for your customers just once this decade?!” I play GW games, but I’ve radically curbed my GW spending. I have both sla and fdm printers creating my content. Each was cheaper than one army apiece.
Ever since they removed the original 5 man cultist squad that only costed 15 bucks, and replaced it with a 10 man cultist squad that costs like 50+ dollars, I have been so annoyed with their practices
ya its crazy they claim to only raise prices 5% per year, when we can point to hundreds of examples like this, where they have nearly doubled prices, by just replacing, or reboxing an item at a massive premium. sang guard are a perfect example, old box 5 models, new box 3 models, but same price. 40% shrinkflation.
@@WarHammerMani miss the 12 dollar boxes, so you could try warhammer out, or maybe make those boxes availible to newcomers..... only getting 1 marine, is not gonna seduce people to start a hobby where you have to spend 60 bucks a box to have 90 points..... cant spend 300 bucks to only get 500 points on the board....thats crazy
@@WarHammerMan I’ll still build my chaos marine army, but I won’t exceed like 1k points honestly.
They’ll be Necoho worshippers
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO REMEMBERS THE OLD 5 MAN CULTIST BOX!!! THEY USED TO HAVE CADIANS TOO!!!
Etb monopose aswell lol should’ve been a multipart kit
Character or not, a single 30mm miniature should NOT cost over £10 and a squad of 10 has no reason to be charging £40+
Comparing prices to a couple decades ago, GW prices have gone up barely above inflation in the UK while sculpt quality has gone way up. Its never really been a cheap hobby.
The issue with GWs prices isn't really the price itself but mainly when they do things like cut sanguinary guard (or anything else) from 5 to 3, make short supply of boxes to get money from FOMO, make models you bought previously with money obsolete in game etc.
@@officialteaincorporated243 No it is the price too. It's a rip off for what you get. £40 for 5 flayed ones and you need like 40 of them for a big army lol. Who are you kidding defending that shit lol. They are greedy, stop being a useful idiot.
victrix sold 60 vikings with loads of options for the same price as 10 intercessors. the quality is pretty much the same and victrix is a tiny company compared to GW. both from UK.
why are their prices so different, when everything that justifies those prices is the same?
@@officialteaincorporated243I can buy 40 Sudanese warriors from Perry miniatures for £20, GW has no excuses
@@chief1721 Victrix is hardly the same quality. I really like Victrix models and I stock a very small amount of them in my store, but their quality is about the same as GW's 20 years ago, not today.
I do love that vikings kit though. I paint to resell a lot for extra personal income and I do about 1-2 packs of those a year typically. There is always a market for more historicals. Though currently I'm working through Gripping Beast's Hirdsmen instead of another pack of Victrix models just because I got it on clearance at another hobby store I visited.
Games Workshop needs to chill in this global recession
i agree, its very clear the global economy is slowing, and close to taking a big cliff dive
So does Wizards and the Pokemon company. I don't even play TCGs anymore due to not being able keep up with the releases. Feels like there's a new set every week now. I just can't afford the commitment, be it time or money. Tabletop gaming kinda came in and demolished the competition anyway. Building and painting is where it's at now.
wouldnt hold my breath if i learn anything from GW is that theres no end to their greed
Adapt or die means sometimes you die. Most of the time infact. So yeah, I don't see them learning from this. They'll likely go bankrupt long before they offer good business practices.
Greed Workshop
I think this is tied to them being a public company with shareholders and whatnot. What company like that isn't like them
@@jrjp01 And sometimes you're stupid until you kill a product; this is what Hasbro did do Heroscape. The rules divide units into uniques and commons; when you build an army, you can only have one of any unique unit, but as many of each common unit as you want. But in an 'inspired' marketing decision, Hasbro would only sell expansion sets to the game stores in whole boxes, which had the three different common packages and the one unique package -- so players would buy _one_ of the unique packages and several of a common package they were interested in, but for every 'extra' common package they bought, the game store wound up with a unique package they couldn't sell, because the game rules meant you couldn't use extras. Rather than build up unsellable inventory, the game stores reduced their orders, and Hasbro watched the sales drop until they decided to pull the plug on the game entirely, instead of looking at _why_ the sales were dropping and fire the *one* person who'd made the whole-box sales decision.
All it takes is overweening greed -- or overweening stupidity -- and a company can easily cripple themselves because they *won't* see that what _they're_ doing is the crux of the problem, and it's not the playerbase losing interest in the game.
@@PiterMorbidIndeed. There is no public company that is not an example of greed.
A single Blood Angels Captain is $74 in Australia. Their pricing is absolutely INSANE. For reference that $74 dollars buys me at least 2kg of resin and I can print 2-3 entire armies of Blood Angles...
it's absolutely baffling that GW thinks they can sell unpainted plastic at such high prices.
Look up how much a Blood Angels JoyToy figure costs....we're talking about a fully painted articulated figure....
or even anime figurines, or gundam kits.
GW's prices are insane considering what you get: unpainted plastic.
They should cost even less than 3D printed because they can mass produce via injection molds.
It's half the price of a 3D printer nowadays lol
@@zahylon5993 Gundam is really leaving money on the table by not having a tabletop game to use their kits for. Of course, where the company fails, the fans rise up.
So save up for two of them and spend it on the 3d printer and print an army of them
@@LordAKiraAndou I already have the printer. Clearly you missed the point entirely.
During WH40k 8th edition, AoS 2nd edition, KT 2018, WHU Shadespire, and Warcry first edition, I collected multiple armies and warbands, terrain kits, etc. The double faction boxes were awesome, and easily affordable if you had a friend to split the kit when a faction was not your cup of tea.
Right now, GW has literally priced me out of the hobby.
ya lots of people feeling the pinch. GW has been offering less and less, and charging more and more. def not sustainable.
I have 20k pts of necron and 15k pts of tyranid colelcted since 3ed to 9. they priced me out with the last edition. I got 2 leviathan box tyranids side for a total of 200 CAD but the rest is just to expensive and make no sense. I purcahsed 1 3d printer and started doign 3d print mini for dnd and warhammer. it cost me litteraly 300 CAD to get the pritner + 1 haruspex, 2 lictor, 20 dnd mini and on domm scyth.
@@WarHammerMan Yeah, just look at the new new KT Starter Set.
And I bet half those models, if not half those games have been dropped into legends or are now unsupported lol.
@@BlueCometGamer I actually have 0 unspported or legend model. They are still all legal. Just need to put them on proper base.
This exploits people who have OCD and other neurological disorders which lead them to need to collect and organise compulsively.
That's a great excuse, thanks for finally having something to tell my wife
that small amount of people
I always thought GW was incredibly predatory of hyperfixating people. Here's this endlessly big world with hundreds of novels inside it, and a highly collectable miniatures line alongside it... But the minis cost more money than anyone has.
That, plus their constant outreach to schools to form clubs, is pretty fucked. They suck you in with a lifelong obsession and hope you become a whale for life
What really gets me is that they NEVER have sales.
the 3D printing will continue until prices drop SIGNIFICANTLY
So.... it's immortal
So what youre saying is itll continue past GW failing lol. Most of us buy second hand when we do buy their actual product
eBay has been a friend
@@mattyorshin all I see on ebay is people trying to sell 3 time the price a badly painted box, or NIB. Into the dark is now at 500$ CAD compared to 200 CAD at realese XD. Though it might be the canadien market of secodn hand that jsut suck. People keep trying to sell full price thier broken shit.
This is especially true with AdMech. It's like GW is ASKING it's players to 3d print.
I live in Australia and their prices for a combat patrol now is $280. These guys are insane.
How's the Age of Darkness box set that's near $500 from memory, a new gaming PC can be bought for about that lmao.
@@brianeno608 a gaming pc that can barely play any games but yes
It still blows my mind how much overseas players / hobbyists are paying compared to UK prices (which are high enough)
ya GW tax is insane. its crazy they are one of the only companies on earth, that chooses not to use actual exchange rates, and just makes up its own pricing by region!
Are the products sold in the US actually made there, or in the UK? it's probably the shipping and distribution costs that bump it up so much
@@richardhall485only distribution centers in the US, GW manufactures all it's plastic in the UK
@@WarHammerMan It's incredibly Common. I'm Australian and as we've been historically an isolated market this sort of pricing is standard. Levis won't allow stockists to ship internationally here because they charge us double what 501s go for in the US. Video games have always been more here.
@@danieldare9245I've never understood why Aussies have to pay more for a video game download where there's no physical product to be shipped / handled. It's almost like they think "well, we charge $150AU for the physical product, so we can charge the same for a download because they're used to paying that much".
Fomo? Sorry my printer never misses out on files
Thats exactly my thinking.
@@cirno9349 id rather have fumo
Hello! Where does one find files to start printing?
um, excuse me...based department
Same, especially now that scans are almost a dime a dozen and readily available
The most recent nut kick is space marine scouts. Went from 60 for 10. To 80 for 10 just over a couple months. It’s insaine
ya GW has been greedy, but the newest bump is insane!
Why I bought them for 50$ at Amazon.
@@Kingofdragons117 the new rebox with the cardboard tokens costs 80 dollars, I also bought a discounted one when I saw the price increase. Shits crazy.
And you can't run 5 snipers anymore, so some of your old models are mostly useless now!
My local shop has at least 60 boxes of the hive storm bundle. They have no idea how they will get rid of them because they're not moving even at $195.
yep, GW once again created a bunch of hype, and tricked consumers and FLGS into buying in, only to be stuck holding the bag. it wont be long before these are being liquidated for 50% off, so stores can just get their money back! same with into the dark, skaventide, dominion, and many other big boxes.
Yeah buy full printed army that you barely have glue together for $200 or pay $200 for less than half an army GW became so successful they no longer feel the need to create a worth while product. I thank them for the ideas but they make less creative and quality work then 3rd party artists
@@austinpalmer898 for 200$ you can have a good dlp printer for minis
Very simply sell them at a price that people are willing to pay. If the shop makes a loss then that's a valuable lesson learnt.
Bro the only reason why there is a surge of buyers is because of space marine 2. I can say because I too bought stuff because of space marine 2.
there is def a surge of excitement for space marine 2, but this has nothing to do with that. its the opposite, people arent buying like they have been over the last 3-4 years.
@@WarHammerMan .... because they're playing space marine 2, and nothing else?
@@588hollythe issue is space marine 2 was definitely meant to go with leviathan they had a Titus box set that was terrible. So when space marine 2 came finally out it was skaventide and killteam. Levitation was old news at most there might be a few more sales of leviathan/combat patrol but that’s it. GW definitely priced out people over skaventide the prices are ridiculous even by GW standards.
The double price hike during the plague while the majority of the world were being forced to stay home and not work is what made me save up for a 3D printer. Haven’t looked back since and I just use 8th edition rules for all my games, or one page rules from time to time.
Same thing for my group. We pretty much only play 9th and boarding actions
I haven't bought GW in almost a year, especially after the latest price hike. $62 for 10 unpainted, unassembled minis? $250 for a box set? I can buy a 4k 3D printer for less than $300 on black friday, and quality STLs are getting more and more available. GW is going to go the way of blockbuster if they're not careful with their greed.
I am not forking over 80 buckeroos for a battletome that wont see the light for that long + some cards that are probably also not valid anymore soon enough.
My inkjet printer goes Zrrrrrrr haha. Copy and paste waha rules to print ftw!
Not to mention that the limited edition codex is already out of date with rules and point values...
Isn’t that just 10th edition in general, out of date and constantly changing
That is just every codex
@@joshuacouture479 facts. Feels pointless to purchase. If consumers don't change their habits tho, GW has no reason to stop. I'm definitely not buying any codexes moving forward
The funniest part : Horus Heresy prices.
Sometimes, I dream about the time edition starter boxes were 80 euros..... And a squad+ a leader + a vehicle/dread in a box were 60.
Which box are you talking about?
@@V-V1875-h Same kind than the Start Collecting, but sooner.
I think my first box set, the space marines vs orks (2000's-2010's) was like $60-100 but it had everything for 2 armies in it, such a great box set.
The new starter set is a bit pricey, I liked the one before, the space marines and necrons one? That was actually decently priced here in Australia for like $50-$65, which is similar priced to Settlers of Catan and other popular boxed games. The prices now here in Australia are outrageous, the age of darkness Horus Heresy set is more expensive than buying a resin 3D printer, I can get a 14k printer and like 2kg of resin for $50-$70 less than that box set.
It’s also box sizes and contents. Back in the (late) 2000s you could get 20 guardsmen for 15 euros. Not as a bundle or anything, just the normal unit box on shelves. That’s insane value compared to today.
When I started the Warhammer 40,000 boxed game (2nd edition) was £40 for 20 Space Marines, 20 Orks and 40 Gretchin. Heh. I'm old.
Fear of Missing out only works until you miss something you wanted.
It's one of the reasons I am no longer interested in Ashes of Creation. Already missed out on a lot of stuff due to changing preorder/purchase/donate perks.
ya its why a ton of people quit kill team. they miss a box or two in a row, then just quit buying. its a terrible tactic, and not sustainable over time.
GW needs to learn they're supposed to be making tabletop combat games. If you can't get the pieces to play the game 95% of consumers will just give up and do something else.
@@Weaver_Games Correction GW is making a table top live service model based game.
The fomo would work if milk wasn't 5 dollars a gallon now
Keep voting for democrats
@@adamfox1669 not the democrats fault but keep spinning the alt-right propaganda
In general i agree,
I fear that with the success of Space Marine 2, it has brought a whole bunch of new blood that will slowly be sucked dry all over again.
So GW can continue on this path for a bit longer
ya def a new influx of excitement. but many are young, and the majority of GW sales are older, more well off individuals. i dont expect this new influx to last, or be as beneficial as you might think
Maybe if they stopped trying to be a media conglomerate and just licensed out the IP to people who already have the capital to do a whole tv season or feature film, they wouldn’t need to keep revenue so bloody high.
They need to do three things; one cut the animation studio and license the ip, two free rules with warhammer plus, thirdly have factories or auxiliary factories in their biggest international markets. Put one in Japan (they do incredible minis, one in the US or Canada, on in aus or nz. That dramatic cut import tax and shipping letting those savings be passed to their consumers which will make bring in more customers. They are one of the biggest toy companies in the whole world, they can’t continue being stupid and trying to use a single factory. They’ll literally implode if that factory becomes inoperable. It’s ballistic.
It does not help that gw prefer to sell to scslpers rather than customers with the popular sets.
i dont think they care who they sell to. the only thing they prefer is direct sales through the web-store, because they cut out the middle man (our friendly local game stores)
I think it's likely safe to say that the big starter boxes fall more into the "purposefully overproduced" category, while any other expansion box sets tend to land more in the FOMO range.
Exactly. they pair crappy armies/models with good ones, so they can move the badly selling units. i dont buy the 2 army boxes anymore.
It really bothers me how I still fall for it. If I want something, as someone that works graves on weekends and come home, my brain refuses to let me sleep until I order what I want.
Pretty soon people will be buying scanners that scan GW minis in 3D, convert that into 3D printer files, sharing it and printing their own versions. Basically pirating them and feeling like Robin hood while doing it. That's how people respond to gross overpricing. They will want the product but lose the loyalty.
oh ya, its def happening now. people have been doing this. or taking the digital files from games like Warhammer video games, and then making stl's out of them. GW is pretty quick to crack down on anyone trying to sell their stuff though. i dont think overpricing justifies theft, but i get what you mean. its the same with recasts. if GW didnt charge insane prices, we wouldnt have a global black market for tabletop minis
Space Marine 2 is feeding them a massive influx of new suckers that have no experience with gw and don't know any better.
I think this video is an incredibly optimistic view.
I don't think GW will ever stop being GW
there is def a big influx of new excitement from space marine 2. that being said, there is no bigger customer, than the existing one. the new players, are often younger, and less excited to pay the crazy prices. the proof is in the new stuff, when items that were selling out in minutes or days (all the brand new, and limited stuff), stops selling out in weeks, and lasts months, thats clear proof, not optimism. that is what we are seeing, and i pointed out in the video
@@WarHammerMan I run a multi million dollar game store and our games workshop category has exploded since space marine 2 came out.
We'll see
@@WarHammerMan GW also cares little about stuff sitting on stockists shelves. They made their money from distribution. The stockists is who is left holding the bag.
You could argue that stockists would order less on future orders because of it, but people will just order direct which makes GW more money anyway.
I think we have a long way to go before we see any kind of "correction" from gw.
They announced in excess of £200 million in profit in June.
Should i buy a techmarine for 30€ or a bolt action box with 30 minis for the same price? Hmmm...i wonder.
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Or just buy a printer and have both
@@nukem8128 i have given some thought, but that implies that i do research prior to buying one, need to figure out a space to put it inside my house so that the smell doesnt make me mad and the 3d printing learning being a whole separate thing...maybe not rn
I missed out on the Blood Angels Army box and at that point I stopped building that army. Went to Warlord games and bought army boxes that work out to one dollar a figure in the Pike and Shotte series.
ya thats exactly what happened with kill team last edition. miss a box or two, and quit the game.
Pike and Shotte is a fantastic game system - good choice
2019-2022 was the boom of a ton of speculation markets such as sports cards, Warhammer managed to get themselves caught up in that hype and tons of people not interested in the product bought stuff because of the resale prospects that didn't pan out.
ya there was def a bunch of artificial demand from the "collectors boom" its all gone now, with very little speculation, and reverting to actual demand.
More more we need more !!!
I think printers are finally making a impact along side all the other points Hou made 😊
The full size Stormcast Battletome and cards bought separately from my local store, were cheaper than the slimmer gamers edition bundle on the GW site
How likely do you think it is that this is a result of the consumer base regularly complaining about product availability?
Also, how likely is it that the ridiculous pricing is an attempt by GW to fight scalpers?
I'm not buying GW products anymore, but it does make me smile to see that anyone can go to the GW website and have these kits available for order, should they want them.
I'm not pro-GW, I'm anti-scalper. Fuck Scalpers.
100% this comment, scalpers are a malignant growth on all enjoyable things
When GW squatted my SCE Sancrosanct army I bowed out and vowed never to buy GW again. Can't go past 6+ years with my SCE but Eldar players can go decades without worry of models getting squatted.
I don't think Hivestorm was ever meant to sell out instantly, I think big edition boxes like that are printed with the intention of staying in stock for around for a year or two
you are speculating on what you think, is meant to happen, but you're wrong. the starter sets are meant to sell for the edition length. the launch boxes are limited, and GW intends to sell them all quickly. they sold poorly, which is why GW sent double orders to many, many FLGs without them wanting them. GW is stuck with massive stock of hivestorm, and doing scummy things to try and offload them, before having to send them to the liquidators.
They're fighting against time. it won take long before every hobbyist has a 3d printer. this is just them pulling as much cash out of your wallets before the figure market dies.
ya i have a conspiracy theory that GW will invest in 3d printer companies, and eventually just sell its IP for licensing rights, and quit producing models. entirely
Little plastic toys are a luxury product that people will drop first as times get tight, which we all know they are. Simultaneously jacking up prices doesn't help either
All I can say is I am building the Kill team Hivestorm box today, and I love this box. I am a sucker for the terrain sets. Paid $195 got it fast. Happy with this one.
ya its a great box, i picked it up myself for a nice discount, cant wait to get to it! cheers
Here in Italy we pay much less, all GW retailers do 25% off on all GW stuff, this means hivestorm is 135€ only (148 USD) and they still have plenty of it; if the exchange rate EUR/USD would have been better for you (like 1:1) we would have paid almost 100 USD less than US full price...incredible how different is
There is a possibility that the marketing depth will look at the failing FOMO of the Kill Team release and state "Kill Team Fatigue" and just reduce its releases to focus their going FOMO pricing on a different aspect of the product lines... completely missing the overall exhaustion of the customer bases Wallets. GW has been doing at least one noticeable price increase a year for almost 25 years if not longer, I'm betting they figure customer Wallets are an inexhaustive resource they can keep digging deeper into.
every time he says "fomo" take a shot.... i died twice already.
Last week, the first founding was $250 for launch day. Had sold-out. Apparently not
skaventide is reasonable since its the starter box of 4th edition so they wanted to make it easy for people to get
40k however they clearly want fomo and think the most sauseless marines ever would sell just because theyre marines
leviathan and skaventide were basically the same box, one for 40k, the other for sigmar. if you think for one second, GW didnt want/expect skaventide to sell out, just like leviathan did, you're 100% wrong. GW didnt do the community a favor by overproducing skaventide, its just not as popular, and once again, they massively overhyped sigmar, and the customers didnt buy it. i get that you like sigmar, and not so much 40k, but understand your bias is very obvious. GW just wants to sell as much product as possible, for the highest profit, thats it. they didnt overproduce skaventide, to make it easy for people to get. thats what the starter sets are for. skaventide flopped, thats the truth, like it or not
In the case of the First Founding Special Edition book, the reason it's not sold out is actually quite sneaky: It's a "special order item" (ie they'll make as many as they get orders) so it literally cannot get sold out (while the order period is open).
I was almost tempted to buy this one, because I'm a sucked for collector book and GW did a perfect job at conditioning me to think their collectors book are very valuable due to their extremely limited run... but this one isn't even a limited run.
Then I realized it's a A4 sized book, that shows up with a handful of very cheap looking A4 "posters" (if you could even call them that), a set of coins that while nice is literally just cheap stuff you'll get made for pennies in a chinese factory, and a book that's not particularly thick.... AND ITS NOT EVEN "rare" since it's print on demand.
200 bucks for that is INSANE!
Even 100 would be stretching it. GW has totally lost the plot.
na you're wrong my dude. its a pre order item, not a made to order item. if it was MTO it would say so in the store, and say there was a 180 day delivery time. special order, just means its only available direct from GW, but it is very much limited, and ships on 10/26 when the pre-order window is up. it hasnt sold out, because its over priced, and not popular, that is all.
@@WarHammerMan If you go on the item page on their site, look between the name of the item and its price, you can see "Pre Order. Special Order Item".
But you may be right, after double checking, it seems that this appellation is... not very consistent. It covers both limited edition items, as well as made to order.
The thing is, unlike other limited edition books like Eidolon, they don't make any mention of book having a serial number or anything...
It's weird, but yeah, I could believe that it's indeed a limited run, and that nobody is buying it because for that price a basic A4 book with a couple of metal pogs is just not worth it.
Gw has been gouging since the 90’s …. It’s nothing new. They just got more blatant about it.
Nobody gonna pay extra money for paper material which gonna be expired by the company in 3 months. Ppl feel it like a scam.
It makes sense in a collection/snapshot sense for new players
especially since all the newer art in the books sucks now. compared to how cool and creative the art was 20 years ago, those rule books were worth collecting. now their books are like modern cars, they all just look the same.
I don't think they imagined Skaventide would sell out, it's not 40K. They can just transfer the Skaventide plastic to their individual kits. Always seems strange, they make to few, they are toxic, they make more and they have failed.. weird.
na, its all about what GW produces relative to what they expect to sell. if they build an entire business on selling out, then dont sell out consistently, its worth pointing out, that their sales tactics and marketing, which are toxic, no longer work. which means the prices are too high. not sure how this is weird.
@@WarHammerMan So, GW generates money via FOMO and TH-camrs generate views from 'drama', it's hard to know who to believe.
@@davidshaw123451001😮. Dropped the mic huh?
@@davidshaw123451001 ya lots of people use love/hate tactics to get attention. the way to tell if you can trust someone is if they arent in a specific cult. so if they post both positive, and negative stuff, its clear they arent pandering to the audience, or sold out to the company. they are giving their actual opinions, on topics, regardless of if its going to please the extreme cults of love or hate, for something or someone. as you can clearly see, i post honest opinions, and am quick to point out when GW is doing trash practices, and also to pat them on the back when they are doing good. if you cant tell an honest take, from a one sided cult member, take a closer look, its pretty obvious, once you know what to look for. as far as "drama" you'll notice i intentionally avoid all politic topics, gender arguments, and the likes, even though those are very popular, and get tons of views.
This. If they produce enough its a failure, not enough they are greedy toxic fomo overlords. My understanding is they had added more manufacturing capacity and completely redid their warehouse infrastructure after the boom in sales. They are probably just catching up to demand now. FOMO marketing has a place, but it's not great for the bottom line. You would rather have the sale
There was a period within the last year or so (can't exactly remember when), there were eight weeks in a row, that, I lost out out in buying anything I had wanted due to FOMO. Everytime my time to buy in the queue opened up, got the "sold out" screen. It curtailed my spending on their products, considerably. Now, I just buy what I want, be it single minis or when they shit the bed, which has been a lot lately, and buy a box at deep discount.
yep the fomo bubble has popped, once you miss a few things, you dont even bother trying. anyone arguing contrary is delusional. appreciate your personal anecdote, i've heard hundreds of similar ones, especially in regards to kill team expansions, limited boxes, and books. cheers
yeah the prices have gone insane. Its feels like they have been trying to raise prices now more than ever during the company's history
the stormcast eternal gamers edition is still in pre-order hence why it's not sold out
thats not how it works. we have seen for the last 3-4 years, items go up for pre order, and sell out in minutes. these items are already produced and sitting in a warehouse. the 2 week pre-order period is designed to sell out the product, and then ship, prior to release, as we have seen with popular products for years.
GW is a top of the food chain dinosaur, waiting on its asteroid. And its coming.
i dont disagree. but if you hold your breath, and wait for the asteroid, you'll be gone before they are. GW will not be going anywhere, any time soon. they are literally more popular than ever.
I bought, built, painted, and then sold a Necron army before ever learning how to play because the rules changed many times before I even finished the army. I have the 10e book and felt like so much changed and keeps changing that I don't want to invest in the game after all. Too expensive for sure. At least I got back the money I put into it.
… The Necron rules have barely changed since their codex released. They’ve been one of the most stable armies in Warhammer since 10th editions start…
And I don’t even like 10th.
The majority of Necron changes have been to their points costs, and making sure that their rules are clear. Prime example being that of nerfing the Plasmancer + Tesla Immortals 5+ Exploding (as in more to hit rolls are generated) Devastating Wounds (wounds that counted as Mortal Wounds) in Canoptek court. It was changed so that only Canoptek units could use that-… in a rule set that is designed to benefit canoptek units…
And I am going to say this, and it will sound mean: but you’re an idiot.
You sold an army based on how it played, rather than how they looked, rather than how much you liked their lore. Their stories… Thats incredibly shallow.
The GAME, is a very tiny portion of Warhammer. There is more books, and lore, than games that could be played. There is more time to be spent painting, and relaxing with your models, than playing.
Who cares if this edition is changing too frequently. Either wait until the next edition, OR do what I did and play an older edition.
The rule books are free, as they’ve been out of print for years, and so are archived. You can use proxy models. No one will fault you for not having era appropriate models in those cases.
And going to be real: 4th edition has been the most fun I’ve had with a 40K system.
@ you’re quite passionate about 40k to write so much and insult a person who just said the game for them is too expensive and rapidly changing to want to invest in. I hope you’ll still be able to enjoy the game even if I’m not playing it. Ha ha
My awesome new printer never has FOMO. Sick of GW greed...
I picked up Lord Vigilant on Gryph Stalker from an ebay reseller for equivalent 20 USD, thats over 10 points per dollar for a super sick unit. Crazy sale
ya you can get some great deals, especially for stuff that was mass produced in boxed sets! cheers
Dropped Underworlds because I couldn't keep up. Did not play 2nd Ed KillTeam because of "seasons" and cutsie measuring tools. Lost interest in Necromunda because of rules bloat. FOMO products make me gag and I refuse to pay the prices anymore. Now have upgraded to Bambu A1 and Uniformation GK2 printers and am having fun. You are right about alternative rules and environments - I have recently bought SW Legions, gotten back into Bolt Action, participated in the Mantic Epic Warpath KS. Saw a Legion Imperialis box on eBay for almost 1/2 price today. Love the lore, hate the prices.
Same here! Rules changing so frequently like an online game. New patch? Your 40usd codex has no longer in use.
I'm glad my local store buys used miniatures and sells them for dirt cheap. I was able to get a good amount of stuff for my Salamanders thanks to them selling second hand products.
ya you can get some great deals on used stuff. lots of bargains from those filthy meta chasers
I hope they keep increasing prices and I'll make stuff for people cheaper lol
ya as crazy as this is, its def true. as GW unloads massive amounts of products to the liquidators.
I was briefly interested in dipping a toe back into the hobby...but I saw the prices and immediately changed my mind
ya the prices have stopped a lot of interest, GW has gotten out of hand
It says a lot that if you cut the prices of all of their items in half, it still seems incredibly expensive.
Also contributing to the drop in interest in the new Skaven starter box is that Stormcast players were just told that half their collections they've been building for 6 years are not going to be supported because of model bloat lol. Same for most of GW's books, be they codex or otherwise. The new edition is not great. They're killing themselves by focusing on tournaments and simplifying the game into stupidity. They've forgotten they became succesful by being an amazing high quality model company, not a high quality stock company.
most of the units that went away, just got replaced with new kits. standard for any game, when they update the model range. anything that got removed, can just be proxied for a similar datasheet. so in my opinion, a lot of unfounded noise, and nothing to do with the lack of popularity of skaventide. i do agree, sigmar 4.0 is pretty weak. its like checkers, and 40k is chess. no comparison.
I bought a 3d printer out of protest against their pricing.
lots of people going with 3d printers, alt games/models. i dont even blame them at this point.
I bought a metric ton of WH40K between 1990 and 2014. Since then, only a box set or two. Prices are crazy now. Oh and the whole “you will not be missed” BS really pissed me off so I went to gunpla and have been having a blast!
ya prices have gotten insane. driven a lot of people out of the hobby/game
GW has consistently raised their prices ahead of inflation for decades, it was always only a matter of time before a collapse starts and once it does it's unlikely to stop before the company sinks. The people at the top won't be able to stop the decline because they're too busy filling their pockets on the way out the door, seen it all before
ya they def use inflation as an excuse. if inflation was actually an issue for them, we would see their profits declining. but we dont, so clearly they are beating inflation, with their insane price increases. then just throwing a pity party, to try and justify it.
Not only has it hit a price ceiling. Some people just don't want the items they make or already have the models they are selling.
I'm looking into a skirmish wargame to buy and was looking between kill team hivestorm and moonstone, hivestorm is 180€ and both starter editions of moonstone is 180€ (you can play with 4 if you got both), but with hivestorm you get 22 figures and terrain with moonstone you get 16 figures but a new kind of combat (i like to call it poker combat).
Currently i'm thinking of buying moonstone and then when hivestorm is like 50% off.
i think the most important factor, when purchasing a game, to play, is who will you play it with. so depending on what your local community plays, or friends and family are interested in. you should def take that into mind. part of why i play almost exclusively games workshop games, is because they are the largest/most popular. so because i play regularly, i will always gravitate towards the most popular games. it doesnt mean i wont play other games, but i've seen hundreds of games and companies come and go over the last 30 years. GW is a pillar of tabletop gaming, so i always gravitate towards them. but i do play games like D&D also, but who you will play with, and what type of ongoing support the games will have, are very important factors. cheers. good luck with your decision, and have fun gaming!
As a French customer is can have a 30% discount just by buying from england and get a total tax free by passing my parcel by ireland... So instead of 150€Silent King... i get it for 98€. Add to that absurd prices dones by GW i just can't imagine the prices done in overseas shops... Time to go on indie games (Mantic, TT Combat, etc...).
ya part of the issue, is def GWs insane price policy based on region, that has no regard for actual currency exchange rates.
I got into warhammer a few months ago and was excited to try and paint some blood angels, saw the price of the models and immediately thought "nope". Some of the models cost 3 times my current paycheck. I bought dawn of war for sale and has been enjoying it.
When a single officer model costs $40, a $200 Bambu Labs A1 mini with a $12 0.2mm nozzle gets real attractive.
I used to dabble in 40k models as a kid, then I got schizophrenia and stopped all my hobbies. Recently, I wanted to connect with my old interests, I wanted to paint a model, then I saw the prices. I got pretty sad about it, I don't have the cash for that as my illness is expensive enough.
I hope they drop the prices.
I don't play Warhammer anymore. Since they nuked beasts of chaos from AOS. And went woke.
I play Song of Ice and Fire now.
ya that was a shame. but they really just moved them to old world, which makes sense. how do you like Song of Ice and Fire?
@@WarHammerMan
It is great, I love having none combat characters that contribute.
They managed to capture the 1-4 GOT battles and the scheming that goes on before the battle.
You play both sides at the same time, but the game implies the scheming section happened before the battle. You also activate 1 unit each, instead of waiting for people to finish their turn.
Its also cheaper than warhammer and minies come assembled.
I only buy new from secondary market (ebay/craigslist equivalent) or maybe xmas boxes with a 20% discount from the FLGS. Also looked into 3D printing
ya you can get some really good deals if you put in a bit of work, or wait for the battleforces
It's worse in Australia, the prices here are 40% higher than the UK, for no reason essentially.
I'll admit, I bought that $200 book. I didn't know there was a cheaper version of it that was released, and how much cheaper it was then. As soon as I got it, and realized that it was still in stock on the website days after, I felt like I had made a mistake. I don't buy things with the intent to sell them. I don't really even buy them with the intent of them gaining any value. I wanted the book, and it seems so hard to get your hands on anything like that. It's always sold out instantly, and the only way you can find something worthwhile is on eBay for insane markups. For that reason, I jumped on that book when I did. Lessons learned
Well, and the Stuff with Henry Cavil and how GW did behave... that could be a factor, too
for sure. the time is running out on the contract. we will know by december if he is going to be involved.
The inflated prices are the only thing keeping them going, they've been failing for a long time.
sales volume is down. price is up. they can only fill the gap for so long, before this is reflected in net sales/profit. the reckoning is almost here
@@WarHammerMan my opinion is they know the ends coming and are just trying to kick the can down the road while extracting as much profit as possible before they fold. The ip will then get sold and lord only knows what will happen.
@@WarHammerMani agree, at the moment they are hanging on but once the dividends start drying up and share price is in obvious decline the holders will jump ship and it'll be fairly rapid. Very telling when senior finance team members leave the company and immediately sell a majority of their shares.
Ok that new special edition First Founding is a ridiculous price. I bought the previous hardback version of this book and it’s a great book, with fantastic new artwork, loads of lore etc in a lovely hardback book with a great cover design. This version cost me £45. As far as I can tell the new version costs nearly 3x as much at £120 in the UK and the only extras are a slipcover, leather cover, coins and some printed cards. Heck of a price hike in 20 months.
ya its a crazy price, for what amounts to the same book, and a few trinkets. GW has gotten out of hand with this stuff, the special edition in particular is pure fomo for collectors.
@@WarHammerMan and the collectors will pay that price right? Are you mad you're not a collector?
I don't understand your logic.
If gw produces small quantities, sold out instantly and creates fomo is bad, then why are you happy that overproduced skaventide/hivestorm didn't get sold out? If anything, this will push them back into underproducing again.
The first issue is the game stores get stuck with stock that doesn’t move because everyone already has one, GW can throw them away game stores have bought them from gw to sell so they loose much more. Issue two is the pricing if they want people to buy the sets they have to make the deal better or lower the price which favors the consumer. Under production favors recasts and 3d printing who can fill in the demand of the average consumer for cheaper
Every time TH-cam recommends this channel to me, he is always just bashing GW constantly so I am not surprised. Yea I get it, GW sucks, but it is like the dude’s brand to hate on them.
The whole evidence of the video is that an online store has a product in it that launched in the last month. That's a perfectly normal (and healthy) state of affairs for most companies. I haven't seen explicit advertising that generates FOMO, I think they just haven't kept up with growth (scaling manufacturing is not trivial) up until recently.
I bought Hivestorm at full price and I don't feel like I was ripped off; there's a lot of plastic in there and it comes with lots of supplements. I'm glad higher stocks will mean more people can get it at a lower price, but people with the means to get it weren't ripped off.
@@Kingofdragons117 are you new to the internet?
@@shanesnover4048 I agree. I paid full price for hivestorm on release and I'm more than happy. This is my first terrain set and the largest box I've purchased. I don't see how people complain about GW prices when milk and everything else has gone up dramatically. If anything, I would say GW is doing a good job of keeping the hobby affordable. They sell a lot of extra fluff like brand name brushes and such, but the people complaining about prices have already put thousands of hours and dollars into the hobby already. Their value per dollar per hour is WAY higher than mine right now, and I still feel I got a good deal on money spent. I've played 10 games of killteam by myself and I am so happy I've found a multifaceted tactical war game tabletop hobby to sink into.
I used to pay for video games, spending ludicrous amounts for titles I won't ever pick up again, in digital form. I can't even play dawn of war 1 remaster as LAN. The software is no longer supported.
You want to talk overpriced? Look at the gaming industry crash right now. Consumers are waking up to the lack of value per hour that video games afford them.
People who have been in the hobby for years may complain about pricing, but they're living in am echochamber. Also. Why do you need to build another space marine chapter army? Can you really paint like it's a full time job? Who paints so much and so fast that they run themselves out of income on this hobby? We are all still here today to bitch on the internet, presumably with bills paid and our currently owned miniatures not sitting out in the rain.
GW should charge us all more.
I really hope that they reevaluate their price tactics, but I am glad that products are on stock again. their kill team prices really made me speechless. if they were just a bit cheaper I would have probably bought multiples and with that would have even startet a new 40k army. thats how i started my death guard and orks armies. but with this prices you don't just buy a kill team and I am for sure not starting a new army. I now force myself to paint all my stuff before i buy new shit.
i completely agree, the kill team prices are insane. GW needs to stop just increasing prices, and actually give us value
Well pretty sure it's not Fomo marketing alone, but with the current inflation and the more recent Games workshop disrespecting their own customer/fanbase.
i agree, there is almost Never a single factor, in anything. but the fact is, take all those contributing factors, and we can see, that FOMO is def rolling over.
One old "Chaos Spawn".... 34.00€.... 10x Necron Warriors AND 3x Canoptek Scarab. 41.00€ . GW's previous excuse was: 'Yes, but the price is due to the costs of artists and production. Ah, I see...
For the past 3 years I've completely rejected FOMO marketing in all my hobbies. No matter how cool it may seem or how good of a deal it looks I just don't buy it. I never buy deluxe sets or editions of products, nor do buy anything limited edition. If the base product doesn't seem worth the price to me, I live without the product. It's really helped me save money and cut down on the useless crap I have to store.
To think fans i knew were damning 3d printings that were "stealing from their precious company"
Which takes full advantage of their blind love
i dont think those ideas are mutually exclusive. i dont steal, because of morals. but i also think 3d printing is great. you dont have to be a thief, to 3d print. i also dont think stealing is justified, because its from a billion dollar company, and more than if its from your family... for me its not blind love, its morals.
I been buying on ebay. I love gw models and support my local gaming store, but i buy hand me diwns on ebay the most. Has saved me like 600$ on my Tyranids fleet so far.
ya man, gotta source those good deals! i dont blame you!
I would LOVE to start building an army as a hobby but I simply can't afford it. Learning that FOMO has been plaguing the entire market far longer than when 40k was introduced to me last year certainly does not help. FOMO immediately ruins a product for me and kills all interest I have so I hope they can re-evaluate everything so I can afford even the most basic of units. (No, I can not afford a 3d printer either)
This is why 3-D print. Their greed makes me want to support a 3-D artist over a company that doesn’t give a shit about its customers.
i think a lot of people share your sentiment. at this point i dont blame anyone for seeking alternatives, and supporting artists/companies other than GW
try been a GW player in Australia . over 100 bucks for a squad of marines. GW are taking the piss. but 3d printers are the go to now.
ya i've heard its really bad there. GW has gotten out of control
“The more you tighten your grip, James Workshop, the more star systems will slip through your fingers”
I've been a faithful Warhammer fan since 1996. I quit buying about a year and a half ago. The prices have gotten too absurd. Many other companies produce model kits in equal or better quality to GW for far less money. Even more so if you get away from models tied to game systems, for example Bandai's Gundam line.
Some of the prices for one mini would buy you 1st edition Space Hulk game, a box of paints, brushes and still have change for lunch back in the early 90's.
So, as someone getting into 40K I want to ask a question, should I hold off buying GW products right now (including metallic paints and glue)? I was considering going to a GW store tomorrow to buy some metallic paints, glue and maybe some Tzaangors but I will hold off if people don't recommend this.
That's up to you but I personally wouldn't buy anything at a GW store. You can usually get better deals at LGS's or online and with anything warhammer, you want to find the best deals as possible if you want official stuff.
Paints are subjective, if you like the GW paints I'd stick with them, but there are other great alternatives such as Vallejo and the new army painter fanatic line.
its a great hobby, and game, so i'd def recommend getting into it. but check out the online prices for things like tzaangors. ebay in particular, you can typically find a nice discount on anything thats availablie in larger boxed sets, because people will buy the box, and sell the components at a discount. GW paints are nice, but i've been using more and more pro-acryl. its very good quality, and a much better price. the dropper bottles are also nice, because the paint doesnt try out, or risk spilling like GW paint pots do.
Also I'd suggest getting the Thousand Sons combat patrol of you're wanting tzaangors, the price difference for what you get is sizeable.
GW won't do much until a 40k launch box, like Indomitus or Leviathan, bombs.
40k is def the cash cow, but dont think for a minute, Execs at GW arent noticing, box after box, failing to launch! they see whats happening, and are pushing out too much product, too often, at too high a price. the reckoning is coming!
The ONLY reason Skaventide didnt shift is BECAUSE it had stormcast tacked on, the majority who wanted Skaven were happy to wait 4 weeks for the single releases because people who werent already Simpcast stans didnt want them
na, its the price. you can always increase demand, by decreasing price. so if you think stormcast arent popular, and thats why it flopped, do you still think it would have flopped if MSRP was $200 instead of $265? i'm sure sales would be substantially higher.
@WarHammerMan Higher for sure but they would still struggle to move the units and they would still be warming shelves.
Stormcast don't sell poorly BUT us Skaven players have been waiting years anyway, hence why we in the majority just waited for singles
Just bought a Bambu 3d printer . I’ve been printing warhammer armys just to play with mates and display . I have a kitbash and custom dark angel army green wing raven wing and death wing . I’ll be printing a dreadnought soon . I recommend doing what b you want with your money . If you are not going to tournaments and want an army . I’d recommend printing . Or eBay and 3rd party sites for 15 percent discounts here in the Uk . Might be more expensive where you are this another reason to print .
Looks like it's finally blowing up in their faces. Hopefully with Trench Crusade coming out, it'll cut their bottom line so deep that they have to actually respond in a way that's good for the customer.
i doubt that will ever happen. i also dont think trench crusade is going to be nearly as big as people hope it is. but what do i know. i'm pretty sure space marine 2, and an amazon contract are going to far outshine any new non GW games in popularity.
@@WarHammerMan I mean... Space Marine 2 really is the best sequel I ever could've hoped for, in all fairness.
Started playing 40k with 10th after looking into it back in 4th edition. After couple bought pieces i ordered a 3d printer. Not going to pay those prices also can now print cool stuff for dnd and my kids later too :]
FOMO marketing Warhammer will also heavily suffer from cost of living increases because Warhammer is such an easy game to downsize as a consumer - just collect fewer armies. Once you've decided you can't afford to add Skavens to your collection, it's difficult to be afraid of missing out on skaven product.
Lol GW won't stop. Not for a while yet. From what I've heard they made record profit recently. Maybe eventually if the shareholders start losing money but until then the prices will continue to rise and this FOMO shit will continue. I doubt I'll live to see GW lower prices.
GW made record profits, this is correct. but they sold less volume, and raised the prices. this is unsustainable. GW never lowers prices, but the do have public shareholders for accountability. so when the new strategy stops working, GW will have no choice but to re-evaluate their decisions. the reckoning is coming
i love GW. but more and more my printer goes Brrr... A good thing happened to them during Covid where people returned and started the hobby. But rather than embrace and nurture the new influx, they grabbed it and slowly strangled as much money out of everyone as they could.
i agree. GW let the influx of interest go to their heads, and are now burning all their bridges!