Loving the more frequent content dude! Keep it up! I've become a very reluctant fan of the P320 platform. Coming from Glock and CZ, I initially hated the higher bore axis, the anemic reset, and its overall felt recoil. However, I found that the TXG module fixed all of my issues with the felt recoil and adding in a 10% reset spring significantly improved the trigger reset. After putting it through its paces in a year of USPSA and other competitions, I've come to really enjoy shooting the P320. It's been 100% reliable after several thousand rounds whereas I have had issues with my stock Glock and CZ P10. My only issue now is the numerous reports of unintended discharges. I know of one instance with an experienced shooter who had a p320 go off and multiple people verified that his hands were nowhere near the holster. If I could do it over again, I'd go with the m18 version, but I'm still happy with my purchase.
Thanks! Having a little “studio” to do talking head stuff in has definitely helped with a more frequent upload schedule. I’m glad to hear you’ve had good experiences with your 320 as well! Hopefully you don’t have the same luck as the person you mentioned regarding an AD
Love mine. P320C in .40 with an Icarus Precision frame, changed the trigger and some internals, have the gas pedal, and I rock my iron sights, much more accurate with them on both pistols and rifles. I think it shoots great. High bore axis doesn’t bother me. High, low, i can make it work. Took my wife to the range for her first time recently, her first time ever shooting and she did amazing. I was actually surprised at how quick she picked and started getting tighter and tighter groupings. Out of 100 rounds at around 10ish yards, she only missed around 7-8 shots. She was scared at first and now she cant wait to get her own gun to go shoot with lmao she’s taken a liking to revolvers, so I’m gonna take her at some point so she can check a bunch out and decide if they’re right for her. But given the amount of research she’s doing, seems like she wants a nice .38 H or K frame.
Just bought a sig p320 & p229 elite. I actually prefer higher bore axis guns. For some reason I can find my sights pretty quickly, but I do notice some muzzle flip but I think the aspect of it being a concern for high bore axis guns is blown out of proportion. Yeah it doesnt shoot as "flat" but to get it to do so you gotta grip it appropriately and not just with your firing hand IMO. I'd be interested if they made a grip module that had a glock grip angle.
As far as I can tell it’s been the holsters that retention is focused on the light instead of the pistol that causes NDs. I need to buy one so I don’t seem so rude when I make jokes about Sig, the two I have shot were genuinely nice to shoot.
I appreciate the review! I think I’m going to try one despite the mediocrity of this platform. I’m issued the M17 and would like to have a carry gun that also helps me stay familiar with the one I’m issued. I agree on your points, one thing under rated is the modularity. It is extremely nice to be able to swap grip modules to something that fits vs holding onto the slick 2x4 grip ergonomics of the M9.
I had almost the same exact experience while looking for a left hand friendly gun went in looking for something and came out with the 320 the more I look into and become more informed I think I’m leaning towards getting a 19x….
It’s impossible for an updated 320 to fire out of battery. While bunch of bad ammo out lately. We had 2 m&p’s grenade but the 320 took it. Norma ammo was the culprit
I actually have issues with people giving their opinions regarding mechanical devices that have no basic mechanical understanding. Bore axis being an issue is only an issue with inexperienced shooter. I have been running 320’s in USPSA for the last year exceeding 15k rounds
@@distastedefense it’s a nonsense excuse to justify a Glock. I own and shoot all of them. Including some high end 2011’s.. Some compensated and some ported.. My go to pistol for well over a year was an x compact slide on an x full frame (cut down). Romeo 1 pro.. Had zero issues keeping the dot inside the optic window and running 12-13 shot splits.. I am actually faster with my Herrington comp’d 320’s than my radian ram jetted g19 due to the trigger being better in the 320’s. Even with the tactical pontoon trigger in my g19. The gun’s weight, how it’s balanced, the recoil spring weight vs ammo tuning.. all play a bigger roll in follow-up shots vs the damn bore axis
also, maybe i just dont know, but every video/story ive seen has been a police officer's 320 , im not saying they arent properly trained and are used to being able to shift the blame/responsibility whenever possible (QI), im just sayin
I'm not going to lie, I've been shooting my glock 19 for 8 years and as soon as I shot the m18, I fell in love with it. The m18 has less recoil and your back on target after every round you shoot. So I went out and bought me the m18. I'll be carrying it as my duty weapon.
I feel you brother. I had an M18 with a Wilson Combat grip module and a SIG Romeo One Pro. I too had carbon and gas dirty up my optic through the loaded chamber indicator and felt the high bore axis. I was also a tad concerned with the QC coming from Sig and the over priced accessories. However, I never had any reliability issues and zero failures in 4k rounds . I did hock off the gun and acquired a Glock 45.
I have the carbon issue with my M&P compact because of the loaded chamber indicater as well so my 508T gets caked in lube and carbon. Paragon makes an Optics Cleaner along with their WML cleaner. Love the M18 vids dude very informative and i trust your opinion over other big name reviewers. Keep up the good work man!
Thank you! I wasn’t aware there were any other pistols with an LCI honestly. I normally clean mine with an alcohol wipe after every range trip so it isn’t a huge issue. This was before I started taping over my front glass though.
I got the M18 when it first dropped in Cali and I love it. Your edc setup video was one of the first vids I watched when I started my journey with my Sig and it was very informative. I've shot a handful of Glocks and I am glad I got the M18 instead. The whole high bore axis on the M18 didn't bother me much. For me, the biggest pro Glock has is the mass aftermarket support and how inexpensive it is compared to Sig. Parts are expensive for Sig, but the best thing is the modularity is there! I immediately swapped out to a Brouwer M1811 grip and never looked back. Recently picked up a Norsso ported bull barrel and slide paired with a DPM spring and now I'm even more in love haha.
Love the setup, im a glock guy but ive had my eye on this for a bit now. Which grip module did you go with? I see theres a carry, compact and x-compact its a little confusing being new to sig. But keep up the great content! You single handedly opened me up to the idea of a sig, i appreciate it
Yea hahaha it gets really confusing. At this current point in time, I’m running the Wilson Combat Carry grip. If you’re looking to stick with OEM Sig, I would go with something from their X carry line. On their site it should be listed for what barrel length it will work with. If you have any questions you can shoot me a message on Instagram, @ ov3rlxrd
I too also wanted to get a Gen 4/5 Glock 19 that was optics ready, but none where available, so I got the M18 instead. Love it still even as someone who would have perfer using CZs
Thanks to you I went and bought a m18 exact same set up with the TLR1HL. But now I’m second guessing if I should went with TLR7X for carry. I’m 5’8 175lbs. How hard is it for you to ccw with that and the TLR1HL?
Already got one brotha it probably one of my favorite guns. I have glock 19, 26 and hellcat and the sig m18 and the sig 365 and now im looking at shield plus
What belt and holster combo do you use with the m18? And are you able to edc it comfortably in the summer? For reference, im 5'8 about 150lbs and i live in arizona😅 Basically im trying to figure out how comfortable and concealed you think i could get it. I'd also change the frame for a wilson combat frame with the safety cut for my personal.
TRex Arms sidecar + Kore belt or whatever I can find tbh. I’m not a very wide human being but I wear baggier shirts so I don’t have issues with printing.
Hey just wanted to leave a friendly recommendation. You should try the DPM System recoil reduction spring on the 320. Its super durable and smooths out the impulse during high speed drills!
@@distastedefense Do some research on the system. I use DPM Systems springs in my carry gun. It actually makes your gun more reliable. You are almost least likely to have limp wrist malfunctions, it protects the frame as well.
I bought one a week ago just waiting for the 10 day 24 hour period, I walked in the gun shop and asked the worker what he recommended for a beginner gun as this would be my first gun, after doing some research not really to sure if I should go through with the purchase especially since gun seems to have problems for more experienced gun handlers, would u recommend following through with the purchase or should I go with a Glock or Springfield xd
I just purchased the m18 yesterday and went to the range and shot about 100 rounds. Is there a way to clean the black spots on the muzzle of the slide left after shooting. It’s making the brown finish look bad
@@distastedefense I prefer the stock trigger of the m18 and the grip angle of the Wilson combat grip. For me it’s easier to prevent the firearm and be on target, but like anything else it’s all personal preference.
If sig had made p250 da/sa instead of keeping it dao I would have been interested in this product line. I honestly have zero interest in ever owning a p320. Power to ya if you like it, but me you couldnt pay me to own one.
I don’t mind it, but I don’t hate or love it either. I think a lot of folks get wound up over whatever firearm purchase they make due to the sweat equity involved in acquiring one. Which is understandable. At the end of the day though, there are better options for the price point. I’ve been lucky with mine, nearly up to 10k rounds now with a spring failure only but that’s a sample size of one.
To experienced shooter absolutely… high bore axis should only affect inexperienced shooters 🤷🏾♂️ I’ve shot plenty of guns and I’ve never had a problem with bore axis
I’m an upper-intermediate shooter and that’s complete bullshit. Can a more experienced shooter overcome high bore axis? Sure. But higher bore axis is always gonna have more muzzle flip than lower. It’s physics not experience.
I’ve shot a handful of rounds through a CZ. They seem like good guns, just not enough time behind them. Also did you even watch the video, or just come to simp for CZ 😂
@ov3rlxrd definitely not a simp for cz. I own 1 cz, amongst multiple SIGs, FNs and others. I'll just never own a 320. So many better options out there people just don't realize it because almost all the youtubers actually simp for SIG because they are paid to.
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I just picked up a 320 here in Cali. Put 200 through it first day and so far I love it. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Glad to hear!
Loving the more frequent content dude! Keep it up!
I've become a very reluctant fan of the P320 platform. Coming from Glock and CZ, I initially hated the higher bore axis, the anemic reset, and its overall felt recoil. However, I found that the TXG module fixed all of my issues with the felt recoil and adding in a 10% reset spring significantly improved the trigger reset. After putting it through its paces in a year of USPSA and other competitions, I've come to really enjoy shooting the P320. It's been 100% reliable after several thousand rounds whereas I have had issues with my stock Glock and CZ P10.
My only issue now is the numerous reports of unintended discharges. I know of one instance with an experienced shooter who had a p320 go off and multiple people verified that his hands were nowhere near the holster. If I could do it over again, I'd go with the m18 version, but I'm still happy with my purchase.
Thanks! Having a little “studio” to do talking head stuff in has definitely helped with a more frequent upload schedule.
I’m glad to hear you’ve had good experiences with your 320 as well! Hopefully you don’t have the same luck as the person you mentioned regarding an AD
I love the M 18. The polymer frame scratches easy so I put on a AXG Grip Module. I'm keeping this one forever.
Love mine. P320C in .40 with an Icarus Precision frame, changed the trigger and some internals, have the gas pedal, and I rock my iron sights, much more accurate with them on both pistols and rifles. I think it shoots great. High bore axis doesn’t bother me. High, low, i can make it work. Took my wife to the range for her first time recently, her first time ever shooting and she did amazing. I was actually surprised at how quick she picked and started getting tighter and tighter groupings. Out of 100 rounds at around 10ish yards, she only missed around 7-8 shots. She was scared at first and now she cant wait to get her own gun to go shoot with lmao she’s taken a liking to revolvers, so I’m gonna take her at some point so she can check a bunch out and decide if they’re right for her. But given the amount of research she’s doing, seems like she wants a nice .38 H or K frame.
Just bought a sig p320 & p229 elite. I actually prefer higher bore axis guns. For some reason I can find my sights pretty quickly, but I do notice some muzzle flip but I think the aspect of it being a concern for high bore axis guns is blown out of proportion. Yeah it doesnt shoot as "flat" but to get it to do so you gotta grip it appropriately and not just with your firing hand IMO.
I'd be interested if they made a grip module that had a glock grip angle.
As far as I can tell it’s been the holsters that retention is focused on the light instead of the pistol that causes NDs. I need to buy one so I don’t seem so rude when I make jokes about Sig, the two I have shot were genuinely nice to shoot.
That’s a very ass backwards way of saying “it’s our fault” on SIG’s part imo
@@distastedefense If they just put a safety on the trigger like Glock most of these problems would be solved.
I appreciate the review! I think I’m going to try one despite the mediocrity of this platform. I’m issued the M17 and would like to have a carry gun that also helps me stay familiar with the one I’m issued.
I agree on your points, one thing under rated is the modularity. It is extremely nice to be able to swap grip modules to something that fits vs holding onto the slick 2x4 grip ergonomics of the M9.
You are right about the modularity perk. That’s one thing I forgot to bring up in the video I believe.
I had almost the same exact experience while looking for a left hand friendly gun went in looking for something and came out with the 320 the more I look into and become more informed I think I’m leaning towards getting a 19x….
Yeah, get a glonk
It’s impossible for an updated 320 to fire out of battery.
While bunch of bad ammo out lately.
We had 2 m&p’s grenade but the 320 took it.
Norma ammo was the culprit
I actually have issues with people giving their opinions regarding mechanical devices that have no basic mechanical understanding.
Bore axis being an issue is only an issue with inexperienced shooter.
I have been running 320’s in USPSA for the last year exceeding 15k rounds
Please educate me on the bore axis thing then. To my knowledge, due to the bore axis on the 320s it results in more muzzle flip, correct?
@@distastedefense it’s a nonsense excuse to justify a Glock. I own and shoot all of them. Including some high end 2011’s..
Some compensated and some ported..
My go to pistol for well over a year was an x compact slide on an x full frame (cut down). Romeo 1 pro..
Had zero issues keeping the dot inside the optic window and running 12-13 shot splits..
I am actually faster with my Herrington comp’d 320’s than my radian ram jetted g19 due to the trigger being better in the 320’s. Even with the tactical pontoon trigger in my g19.
The gun’s weight, how it’s balanced, the recoil spring weight vs ammo tuning.. all play a bigger roll in follow-up shots vs the damn bore axis
also, maybe i just dont know, but every video/story ive seen has been a police officer's 320 , im not saying they arent properly trained and are used to being able to shift the blame/responsibility whenever possible (QI), im just sayin
I'm not going to lie, I've been shooting my glock 19 for 8 years and as soon as I shot the m18, I fell in love with it. The m18 has less recoil and your back on target after every round you shoot. So I went out and bought me the m18. I'll be carrying it as my duty weapon.
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Get the p320 socom carry grip module. It’s actually light and very comfortable to carry.
From Icarus? I’ve seen a few people recommend this. But, most recently it seems the Brower 1811 is the bee’s knees
This is the way. I have one with the Arc Division slide/barrel combo 🤌🏼
I feel you brother. I had an M18 with a Wilson Combat grip module and a SIG Romeo One Pro. I too had carbon and gas dirty up my optic through the loaded chamber indicator and felt the high bore axis. I was also a tad concerned with the QC coming from Sig and the over priced accessories. However, I never had any reliability issues and zero failures in 4k rounds . I did hock off the gun and acquired a Glock 45.
Glad to hear! I don’t see myself trading this in on a 45, but I also wouldn’t recommend it to someone. If that makes sense.
I have the carbon issue with my M&P compact because of the loaded chamber indicater as well so my 508T gets caked in lube and carbon. Paragon makes an Optics Cleaner along with their WML cleaner. Love the M18 vids dude very informative and i trust your opinion over other big name reviewers. Keep up the good work man!
Thank you! I wasn’t aware there were any other pistols with an LCI honestly. I normally clean mine with an alcohol wipe after every range trip so it isn’t a huge issue. This was before I started taping over my front glass though.
@@distastedefenseyea kinda wish they didnt have one but oh well. I use Cat Crap spray it cleans it and its an antifog as well so two birda one stone
@@EverydayGentsEDC have you used Cat Crap on any other optics? I need an anti fog for my LPVO
@@distastedefensei use the paste cat crap on my vortex razor. Works pretty good no issues so far
I got the M18 when it first dropped in Cali and I love it. Your edc setup video was one of the first vids I watched when I started my journey with my Sig and it was very informative. I've shot a handful of Glocks and I am glad I got the M18 instead. The whole high bore axis on the M18 didn't bother me much. For me, the biggest pro Glock has is the mass aftermarket support and how inexpensive it is compared to Sig. Parts are expensive for Sig, but the best thing is the modularity is there! I immediately swapped out to a Brouwer M1811 grip and never looked back. Recently picked up a Norsso ported bull barrel and slide paired with a DPM spring and now I'm even more in love haha.
Everyone keeps talking about these 1811 grips, I REALLY need to pick one up haha. Glad to hear you’re happy with your purchase!
One answer:
YES amazing fun and it is completely safe.
Love the setup, im a glock guy but ive had my eye on this for a bit now. Which grip module did you go with? I see theres a carry, compact and x-compact its a little confusing being new to sig. But keep up the great content! You single handedly opened me up to the idea of a sig, i appreciate it
Yea hahaha it gets really confusing. At this current point in time, I’m running the Wilson Combat Carry grip. If you’re looking to stick with OEM Sig, I would go with something from their X carry line. On their site it should be listed for what barrel length it will work with. If you have any questions you can shoot me a message on Instagram, @ ov3rlxrd
I too also wanted to get a Gen 4/5 Glock 19 that was optics ready, but none where available, so I got the M18 instead. Love it still even as someone who would have perfer using CZs
I didn’t notice the bore axis on my old X Compact. But I was carrying a P365 beforehand, so maybe that’s why lol.
Sup dude I literally bought my 320 and the matching tlr1 just because of this setup I’ll eventually get the sig optic
Damn haha, well I hope you’re enjoying your purchase!
What camera do you use to make these vids man? Trying to to start a TH-cam channel for shooting.
Canon R6 + 35mm 1.8
Thanks to you I went and bought a m18 exact same set up with the TLR1HL. But now I’m second guessing if I should went with TLR7X for carry. I’m 5’8 175lbs. How hard is it for you to ccw with that and the TLR1HL?
It’s a process for sure. You end up getting used to it though. I’m 5’6” 140lbs.
Already got one brotha it probably one of my favorite guns. I have glock 19, 26 and hellcat and the sig m18 and the sig 365 and now im looking at shield plus
Love your channel, homie. “Grind it out.” Love that. 👌🏾
Thanks!
What belt and holster combo do you use with the m18? And are you able to edc it comfortably in the summer? For reference, im 5'8 about 150lbs and i live in arizona😅
Basically im trying to figure out how comfortable and concealed you think i could get it. I'd also change the frame for a wilson combat frame with the safety cut for my personal.
TRex Arms sidecar + Kore belt or whatever I can find tbh. I’m not a very wide human being but I wear baggier shirts so I don’t have issues with printing.
I have almost 11,000 rounds through my Sig M18. Very reliable and accurate pistol.
Hey just wanted to leave a friendly recommendation. You should try the DPM System recoil reduction spring on the 320. Its super durable and smooths out the impulse during high speed drills!
Thanks! However given this is my carry gun, I would prefer to stick with a factory spring
@@distastedefense Do some research on the system. I use DPM Systems springs in my carry gun. It actually makes your gun more reliable. You are almost least likely to have limp wrist malfunctions, it protects the frame as well.
@@hersheyroseman4508 interesting, I’ll have to do that when I get home from work!
@@hersheyroseman4508 I run dpm in my p10c know I am replacing my macro and p10F stock springs to dpm springs.
+1 for DPM systems
"What are you doing Step Sister?" Pop x5 "She will not get my seed." 🤣🤣
Heh
Picking my m18 up today😬
Sorry if this has been answered, but what light and red dot are you running? Thanks bro!
Leupold DPP with a TLR1HL!
I bought one a week ago just waiting for the 10 day 24 hour period, I walked in the gun shop and asked the worker what he recommended for a beginner gun as this would be my first gun, after doing some research not really to sure if I should go through with the purchase especially since gun seems to have problems for more experienced gun handlers, would u recommend following through with the purchase or should I go with a Glock or Springfield xd
I just purchased the m18 yesterday and went to the range and shot about 100 rounds. Is there a way to clean the black spots on the muzzle of the slide left after shooting. It’s making the brown finish look bad
That’s carbon build up. You can scrub it off or just leave it be
What are you doing step sister??? Love it!
Have both a Glock 19 gen 5 and the m18. Call me crazy but prefer my sig over the Glock.
That’s interesting, why do you say that?
@@distastedefense I prefer the stock trigger of the m18 and the grip angle of the Wilson combat grip. For me it’s easier to prevent the firearm and be on target, but like anything else it’s all personal preference.
So basically, you should of waited for the GLOCK 😂
Yeah well impatience got the best of me lmao
Short Answer Yes.
Great Video! Keep up the content! 🔥🔥💯
Thanks!
Which 320 is yours?
Its not that 320's are necessarily bad per say I just think PDP's are better for the same amount of $ imo.
I got to play around with a PDP the other weekend and they are fucking GOOD.
If sig had made p250 da/sa instead of keeping it dao I would have been interested in this product line. I honestly have zero interest in ever owning a p320. Power to ya if you like it, but me you couldnt pay me to own one.
I don’t mind it, but I don’t hate or love it either. I think a lot of folks get wound up over whatever firearm purchase they make due to the sweat equity involved in acquiring one. Which is understandable.
At the end of the day though, there are better options for the price point. I’ve been lucky with mine, nearly up to 10k rounds now with a spring failure only but that’s a sample size of one.
@ov3rlxrd right on dude, I'm a da/sa guy through and through but I don't give people crap for putting in work with a striker.
Also, CZ P-10 .....
What are you doing step sister? Bang bang bang 😂😂
bore axis is only a problem to unexperienced shooters, it shouldnt matter to someone who put 7k rounds through a gun
Higher bore axis, resulting in more muzzle flip shouldn’t matter? What?😂
To experienced shooter absolutely… high bore axis should only affect inexperienced shooters 🤷🏾♂️ I’ve shot plenty of guns and I’ve never had a problem with bore axis
@@S3_103that’s why nearly every aftermarket grip module boasts about their beaver tail/grip angle geometry to aid with bore axis right?
I’m an upper-intermediate shooter and that’s complete bullshit. Can a more experienced shooter overcome high bore axis? Sure. But higher bore axis is always gonna have more muzzle flip than lower. It’s physics not experience.
@@BrothaGoodReps that’s never been proven it’s a myth wtf show me one article scientifically proven that high bore axis causes more muzzle flip
Good looking gun
Thanks!
I’ve got almost 1K rounds in my p320. bought mine partially cause of OL. I did swap out the stock grip for the m1811 and loving it even more!
Is the 1811 grip polymer? Or metal?
Poly
Beretta
Great video
Thank you!
Just don't drop it and you'll be fine 😂😂😂
P320, backfired on your leg
Yes
Short answer, No
long, ten minute answer: also no
2:20 😂😂
Nice pig nose(?)
Dying is gay, but everyone dies eventually. Are we all gay?
these are some real shower thoughts tbh
I can’t believe you made a 10:01 video calling us all poor and to just buy HK. 10/10, disappointed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nice outro
thanks!
Self deletion is gay 😂😂😂
So you wouldn’t recommend? But you have close to 10k rounds down range 😂
I wouldn't say don't get it, but there are better options in my opinion. I need to get a 10k round update video out. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow!
@@distastedefense send it! Been enjoying your channel. Keep it going
Short answer, no. You should not buy any modern Sig products.
Nope
Many Police departments are staying away from sig for safety concerns .
Look it up
I’m not looking that up, I don’t believe you
Algorithm
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Nope. Buy a cz p10C or F and be 100x happier.
I’ve shot a handful of rounds through a CZ. They seem like good guns, just not enough time behind them. Also did you even watch the video, or just come to simp for CZ 😂
@ov3rlxrd definitely not a simp for cz. I own 1 cz, amongst multiple SIGs, FNs and others. I'll just never own a 320. So many better options out there people just don't realize it because almost all the youtubers actually simp for SIG because they are paid to.
@@4RunnerRigatoni once again, did you watch the entire video or just come in to say “hurrr I have to justify my purchase”
Yes i watched the video @@distastedefense
NOPE
Why not
P320s are hot
garbage
😂😂😂