Evan: :"if Jeff Petry toedrags anyone I will donate $100 to the Jamie Daniels foundation". "Ryan: well Petry does being some offensive flair from time to time:" Evan :"I know what I said" Some lost comedy gold there.
Lalonde is not the coach for this team. The problems lie within the roster as well, but Lalonde ain’t it. I watch Florida a lot, the problems with the Wings become so much more apparent when watching a much better team. Tired of Detroit sucking.
Yeah I am not going to say anything bad about him but Lalonde has taken this team as far as he can . This has been obvious for a couple weeks now - it is not going to get better . Yeah there are some real flaws in this roster but they have cashed it in on this coach . I've been following this team since 1970 and this is tough to watch .
Gru has at MAXIMUM, 10 more games. If theyre playing like this a quarter of the way through this season then he has quite obviosuly lost the locker room. If hes preaching something then theyre sure as hell not listening. Also you should be maleable to your roster. This team cant play how he wants. Flat out, and they need to change the system, or the personel.
I hope one day yall just come on here and tell it like it is that we’re complete dog shit and no closer to a cup than we were almost a decade lmao, instead of doing mental gymnastics to try to justify every move and talk about some imaginary “cup window” that we don’t have
Working for draft lottery this early seems a little harsh. Kane on defense- no. DeBrincat on defense? No. Terrasinko on defense? No. Could you be softer on the puck? Can you imagine someone like Craig Barube coaching this team? But you have nothing in minors to fix this. Even our 6’-7” winger Soderblom is soft on puck. I’d rather watch hard grinders give 110% than watch soft hockey. When was the last time wings had more shots than opponent? Realistic this team is worse than 4 years ago. Those teams at least tried to grind but Kane and Terrasenko simply will not play defense or grind.
Lalonde lost the team a long time ago, after the deadline last year. This team is way better on paper than they are playing. Bring in a new coaching staff, I can deal with not making playoffs again or even being bottom 10 but not like this. This is sad and boring to watch, same mistakes over and over. I understand trying to play good team defense but the offense is pathetic. Dump and chase every single god damn time.
I think we need to seriously think about lighting the fire under Lalonde's coaching seat. The lines are a mess, the roster is unmotivated, They dont have the fight they had last season.
If this team is still playing like this at the end of November and Newsy hasn’t made adjustments to the systems than Newsy is the problem. Yes, he has roster issues but he also has a very capable offensive group that if unleashed can put up points. They’d be better served in a more run and gun possession entry style of hockey IMO. They have legitimate goal scorers and playmakers. Give them some leash. A good coach/leader/manager/supervisor/foreman, etc., understand the manpower they possess and what those individuals are capable of both individually and collectively. You have to fashion your strategies/tactics based on the tools you have on hand. It seems like Newsy is trying to force this group into a play style that he just doesn’t have all of, or enough of, the necessary tools. In my opinion that mostly equates to our lack of quality defensemen and power forwards.
Just admit it, the D trades (in and out) has been disastrous, far below what is acceptable. Most of us could not understand the Walman trade at all when it happened, now it looks even worse. I know they had to manage the fact that they had too many D men on the roster, but that was not the trade to make at that price AND management had put themselves in a very bad position due to a constant flow of bad, strange singings on the D. Time to call it what it is: a complete fiasco and a display that management does not know how to put a D core in place to put it mildly.
@@Septembersmith9633 what on earth are you talking about? Did I say that? Please read better.. Edvinsson is obviously not a traded player and I spoke about the trades. Issues here are many but Walman and a 2nd pick out and Gustafsson in is one effect I don't approve of.
@@RuneGetSkaggyou shouldn't argue with stupidity, or people who can't read. You're absolutely right tho. This dcore is a complete mess and it's all on Yzerman and his failed attempt at getting Trouba. That missed swing hurt us badly in terms of we lost a decent player and a pick for nothing. Oh wait let's not forget Gus, actually no I wish we could.
I'm glad to see Simon, Bergs, and Kasper in the lineup, but other than that this team is hard to watch. Yes, the schedule has been tough, but there's no effort. We really miss Perron, as weird as that sounds.
The reality is where do the Red Wings go from here. There is no help coming from Grand Rapids. Firing Lalonde? For an interim coach? The wings are still feeling the effects of Holland and his disastrous pick of Zadina. Passing on Quinn Hughes sunk this organization. Yzerman walked into a team with one NHL caliber player.
The problem is Lalonde. And sure there maybe an interim coach for a little while. But. Quenneville and gallant are both options. I prefer Quenneville with his problems because it’s hard to deny his coaching.
@@epheezee313the Ken holland excuse should only be in place for how long it took to get to this point. That roster was a disaster. Even with a shit record of 4-5-1 and how bad they have played. This roster is far far better than it was in 2018-19. There are still flaws in it a few glaring ones. But today my blame is on the coach. The dude can’t make a proper line. And his heavy def focused style doesn’t work with this line up.
Thank the lord baby Jesus for this discussion. If it wasn't for you guys I would feel like going insane and eating my own face. I am glad it's not just me thinking these things. Sending thanks from England!
If they do this, go get a defensive forward or a pure defensive defenseman. The offense with or Without Lalonde will eventually get it right, but this defense needs Help
Intermittently, Brad mentions the hard truth; this team has no identity or clear direction and are a painfully boring watch. Until those things change, this rudderless ship will continue breaking apart on the rocks.
While he would not be ny first choice of defensemen we could trade, getting a 3rd is strong, even if it's a 25+ pick bc the Rangers are a wagon. Also, this should confirm Kasper is staying in Detroit
@@chrismills8255 When the F are you people going to give it up ? He was not good - he was adequate - he was a healthy scratch in St Louis - he was a live body - then he had a decent year and they signed him to a contract - and he did not play up to it last year - he was heathy scratched late last season while they were fighting for a playoff spot . They had to dump a contract - they can't move - Holl, Petry, Chiarot - so guess who that left ? He was not and will not be mistaken for Cale Makar any time soon . Yzerman thought he was going to get Trouba - which he definitely would have preferred - and needed to get rid of cap space so he got rid of him - there are 30 other teams - if he was so good do you think they would have taken him for a 3rd ? for christ sakes let it go .
@@pjpredhomme7699in 246 games played Wallman has 26 goals, 36 assists and is a plus 3 and he spent most of that time on bad teams. Nobody is comparing him to Makar. He was scratched in St Louis because he was a young player on a stacked team, he was scratched in Detroit because he was injured and wasn't performing in practice so the coaches couldn't trust him to get the job done at the end of the year last year.
@@pjpredhomme7699 Guy has more points than Larkin...more points that every Dman on the roster combined outside of the two kids. Walman is way better than any potential 2nd pair guy on the roster. It will continue to be a topic this season because the D corps sucks and it made zero sense, and because the rebuild is a complete mess.
I think the boys nailed it on the head, I can't believe I can say I finally agree with Brad. It's nice to listen to a podcast talk intelligently about the ups and downs of the team. I wish I could say the same about the filthy casuals in the comments but they're only limited to a few misspelled words. Our situation is unique but not in a good way and there's no one easy fix either. I'm hoping November goes a little more smoothly 🤞
Steve better get this fixed soon. Keep giving up easy goals . Being out worked. Forwards looking smaller with each game. Do they ever win a battle anymore. Raymond 1 GOAL. Out shot has become the norm! Giving Matta away for a 3rd pick. Yes can use Cap space. Still he has been one of our more steady guys . At this point PO looking farther away. Maybe going for top 5 pick !
If you paid attention to our cap space then you'd know we have players coming off the books after this season which might help with future defense acquisitions.
Great episode - glad to know I’m not only person loosing my mind over this team in just 10 games. Roster is suspect, system they trying to play isn’t working so both SY and coach to blame IMO. Perron missed as a leader for sure - keep hearing it’s a quiet lock room that’s not good. Agree that players like Kane showing some frustration between lines of their public comments. I don’t think coach has what it takes - starting to think best to make a change sooner than later or make major move to bring in 2nd line D or power forward to save the season. Said last year this team lacks a true identity - we look soft, slow and uninterested! What a mess - if Sat game is ugly could be time for a change!!
Lots of interesting comments on here on this episode. I am happy with how our young players are developing which will be very important. Don’t know where that result is all on. Better picking and evaluating? Good development on the way up? Good interactions during practices by coaches to show what to work on and how to get better at it? Hard to tell. That being said, if the youth infusion wasn’t so important I would move on from LaLonde. Tough balance because I don’t want a Babcock type that doghouses young players and destroys their development. Think Lalonde may be the development coach and someone else comes in to bring them over the hump.
It's HOW they're playing as to why Lalonde should be fired imo. I saw it during the 1-8 stretch late Feb through mid March. They were playing flat and not ready to start on time game after game during that stretch. That to me was coaching and it is now.
I keep saying it you don’t bring in Cat, Kane, Tarasenko etc and have a Larkin, Raymond then think let’s play defensive hockey especially with this D core in place really should have been ruthless in the offseason and got rid of a bunch and traded for guys on the back end. Even got rid of Olli who was the only one not named Seider or Edvinsson that can defend
Best thing to do is remove the most solid defenseman on the Wings. Maybe we should get rid of small, non-gritty forwards that can shoot. One trick ponies for sure. The wings have nothing that would worry me if I was an opposing forward. Like it or not Matta was one of your best. Trading “The Griddy” Walkman for nothing was horrible. Now try figuring out how Trouba’s contract was supposed to fit into this nightmare? Making matters worse, you have no assets that are tradable. No value at all, anywhere! Cap space? Sure, get rid of usable assets for salary cap space for???? Nothing. Maybe Wings are trying to snag top 3 pick. This lineup blows, big time. No hockey team is softer on the puck than Wings. Stop giving excuses for this trash! 4 super small soft shooters on top two lines? Even worse, even your 6’5” Rasmussen is softer than DeBrincat. How is that possible?
Surprised you guys haven’t analyzed why the team has been so bad in pro scouting under Yzetman. I see that there’s an Yzetman on the pro scouting staff. Nepotism? We obviously need someone else to help with this. How did they trade Jake? How did they sign so many mid level players to big contracts? Why don’t they ever trade for young players who just need an opportunity?
He was an all star when he signed that contract - he used to be able to skate. I don't know if you ever watched him when he played for Edmonton or Montreal - he was a good hockey player . Now it looks like he is playing with skate guards on .
Petry probably wanted to come home before retiring. He's a right shot with a decent history but his age caught up with him which superseded any value he had left in the tank unfortunately.
I can 100% promise you that the Red Wings will end up having to trade Dylan Larkin. Maybe not this year, but this team clearly needs a rebuild 2.0 The main concern at the moment is we really have no high end forward prospects and unless we magically get another top 3 pick this year then that trend will continue. Larkin will legit be 32-33 years old when our window is actually open at the pace of our prospects and just won't be useful. It sounds insane but trading Larkin might be the smartest thing LONG TERM. I'd rather just 100% commit to Raymond and Seider then try to force Larkin window. Also Larkin genuinely deserves a shot on a cup contender type team and playoff hockey. Sucks DET couldn't provide it but his timeline unfortunately doesn't sync with the wings
This was the second year where I had to decided which Detroit team to focus on, the Pistons or the Wings. I'm off to the Pistons. I won't blame the coach. He didn't put this roster together.
Maata deal was a good move. Got rid of some deadweight and gives us a pick we can use in a deal , possibly add the 2 3rds to move up in the 2nd . Gives us options and more importantly johansson will play more and likely gives wallinder a look later on
I feel so bad thinking about how long you guys have been at it, and how absurdly bad and uninteresting the team had been. God bless you guys. #firestevie
As much as I hate to say this, the sad truth is that the Wings shouldn't be aiming for the playoff at this point, missing the playoff by an inch like last year won't do them any good, another good prospect might.. but yea.. it sucks, I feel like we're stock in a loop
I hear you guys talk about misa a lot bc of his production if you actually watch tho I wouldn’t pick him personally he falls into 95% of his goals and his shot is very slow and don’t think it will translate well in the nhl
The Wings are only *expected to make the playoffs* by a certain group of fans. That's it. No one should be expecting playoffs, not after a lackluster summer.
@@socialmediag5485 he's still better than 6 of the 8 defensemen Detroit started the season with.. if you aren't trying to upgrade wtf are you doing? even the guys on the pod thought it was a good idea.. he'd be a great 3rd pair option once ASP joins the crew. if you don't have anything positive to add go root for the leafs.
I think when you look at it from a business standpoint; you make a decision between apples and oranges because you need to and then somehow one has more mental consequence than the other even though it shouldn't. I wouldn't say it has everything to do with the players we traded but seeing as how everyone turned into a wet blanket from the Burtuzzi trade; it wouldn't surprise me if the absence of some of the guys has something to do with it but in the end it's a competition not a friends and beer league.
I was and the 70s too - and this is absolutely brutal . I haven't finished watching a game yet this year. I don't even care if they lose as long as they play entertaining brand of hockey - and this team has shown none of that this year. Something is broken on this team .
I'm not trying to be a full blown doomer but i think something huge needs to happen to shake up the organization. either fire yzerman, fire lalaonde, trade larkin, idk man, something crazy needs to happen to wake this team up. i was at the game last night and that 6-2 loss was hard to watch
Did you honestly think we had any chance going into that game against the top of the league? I guess you didn't actually listen to the podcast. Short term panic fixes ruin the long term success. You may not like it but crazy reactionary decisions win you dumb prizes.
Trade for 2 huge Probert style grinders. At least they’ll remind opposing teams not to skate downhill. We’re watching trash and it will not get better?
Sandin-Pellika won't be in a Red Wing uniform until 2026, but could be here IF he's outstanding next fall for the Griffins after a couple of months. Remember that he's 19 for most of this year (i.e., season), so being 20 years old for 2025-26 is about right as goes Yzerman's plan for D-man development. But I hope he's up next December (2025).
Making the jump from SHL to NHL isn't unheard of. I feel he can be the same caliber of a player as Seider and Raymond. So don't be too sure cuz he could make that jump sooner rather than later.
@@Septembersmith9633 I don't disgree, but a couple of months with the Grifs might be of benefit. Mo played in GR as a 18yr old then played in SHL as 19yr old then made the Wings out of camp. Axel playing NHL style hockey for a few months will help, but if he blows everyone away at next year's camp then he probably stays with the team. Fingers crossed.
Glad to hear that the show is waking up and though I am not a fortune teller I have seen this coming,,,NOT A PLAYOFF !!!! I hope that they see it and start changing the PLAN..A coaching change may be in the cards,,
You obviously haven't been listening. 2 of them said no playoffs in their pre season predictions and any sane person knows they aren't playoff contender ready. Its just people be thirsty casuals
Yzerman brought in Patrick Kane and Alex Debrincat, what are you talking about with Yzerman not giving the coach a roster to work with? Maybe Lalonde isn't a good coach and his systems aren't ment for this league and there's nothing wrong with that (he's not good at his job). Terrible take. This isn't the same team from 2019/Covid season
You have 2 and a half nhl defenseman, and the bottom 6 is atrocious. This roster is as much of the problem as the coach. The yzerstans need to open their dam eyes. This is on him.
lol are we supposed to actually believe this team is supposed to take us to the promised land in couple years…??? Time for full rebuild and bye bye to yzerman.
Full rebuild lmao we already have danielson nygard cossa pellikka in the pipeline waiting . Kasper and edvinsson just starting ... and we’ll probably add a top 10 pick this season ... what more you want?? Now we just gotta be patient and I’m sure Yzerman will make a trade for a 24-26 year old of impact
If Kasper and Danielson pan out, you have Center depth we haven’t had in forever. Sandin Pellikka looks like a stud which gives a solid top three on D with potential with Johansson. Lots of complimentary D potential still with Buium, Wallinder. Bottom D pairing guys are pretty easy to pick up. Wingers are easier to get in free agency than Centers.
I'm done with Yzerman and his Yzerplan! He's had how many seasons now to make this team competitive and all he has managed is to go out in the off season and pick up slug hockey players!
He needs to stop hiring his buddies and focus on building a great pro scouting staff, because this team's Achilles heel is their pro scouting. It shouldn't be understated how the Wings never got a top of the draft player through their whole rebuild. The draft lottery really hurt Detroit. Not just in us never getting a lottery pick. The Wings got leapfrogged and bumped back 2-3 spots almost every season.
@edenisburning the lottery luck sucked no doubt. But it was Steve's decision to hit the gas prematurely. Instead of going out and signing copp and chiarot when they did, we should've tanked at least 1 more year to really bolster the prospect pool. Could have had another top 5 pick on the roster instead of a string of 10th + picks
@mattl2642 agreed 100%. I think he felt the pressure and moved away from his own plan. When he told the fans this is going to take a while but I want to do it right, we were all like.. hell yeah. They need to start expediting these prospects, too. They let Brandsegg-Nygard go back to the SHL when it was obvious he was ready for the NA game. Yzerman has to be tough and say no, we want you in the AHL this year. My biggest criticism is that Steve has signed way too many roadblocks keeping the youth from playing. Berggren should have been in the NHL since his rookie breakout shortened season. He'd be further along. Edvinsson should have played all last season, he'd be further along. I'm with ya, I'm frustrated. But these bad contracts are almost all gone and he did sign the key guys like Raymond and Seider and Larkin to extremely team friendly deals. In a few years, this team might be something. But I can't help but feel like we're going to have to bottom out again for a season before that happens. Like when the Avs sucked and drafted MacKinnon. Maybe we go all in youth next year and tank for McKenna lol. I'd be down with an awful year if it ended with Gavin McKenna in a Wings jersey.
@edin How drunk are you? The SHL is arguably top 5 most competitive league in the world and they train on NA ice rinks. If MBN and ASP come over to GR next year what's the issue? Also in what world as a pro GM do you force teenagers to give up their family friends and education to come play in a unfamiliar country full of ungrateful fans? I would consider Axel and Raymond the same caliber of player so the jump in leagues isn't unheard of. Petry, Husso, Kane, Maataa will all be off the books as well as some of the small 1mil deals. You won't really need to sign any big contracts. Maybe fill the 2nd/3rd right D pairing and someone to replace Kane if he doesn't resign. The problem was people thought this year was supposed to be a playoff caliber team but it really was just a presumptuous ambition at best from the fans.
I feel like his age really has caught up with him. The sentiment was there in the signing and he probably wanted to retire in his home state but there's no way he can sustain any level of compete so the hypothetical value of his right shot has gone out the window sadly.
Fewest shots on goal taken, most given up. That pretty much sums up this year's roster.
Evan: :"if Jeff Petry toedrags anyone I will donate $100 to the Jamie Daniels foundation".
"Ryan: well Petry does being some offensive flair from time to time:"
Evan :"I know what I said"
Some lost comedy gold there.
Lalonde is not the coach for this team. The problems lie within the roster as well, but Lalonde ain’t it. I watch Florida a lot, the problems with the Wings become so much more apparent when watching a much better team. Tired of Detroit sucking.
Yeah I am not going to say anything bad about him but Lalonde has taken this team as far as he can . This has been obvious for a couple weeks now - it is not going to get better . Yeah there are some real flaws in this roster but they have cashed it in on this coach . I've been following this team since 1970 and this is tough to watch .
Gru has at MAXIMUM, 10 more games. If theyre playing like this a quarter of the way through this season then he has quite obviosuly lost the locker room. If hes preaching something then theyre sure as hell not listening. Also you should be maleable to your roster. This team cant play how he wants. Flat out, and they need to change the system, or the personel.
Fix your defense Red Wings.
Tall task.
Oh ok. Yeah, we’ll get right on that. Thanks for letting us know!😂
Can we just continue to blame the trash patch?
Lalonde must be fired . This is the least motivated team I've ever seen.
I hope one day yall just come on here and tell it like it is that we’re complete dog shit and no closer to a cup than we were almost a decade lmao, instead of doing mental gymnastics to try to justify every move and talk about some imaginary “cup window” that we don’t have
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Working for draft lottery this early seems a little harsh. Kane on defense- no. DeBrincat on defense? No. Terrasinko on defense? No. Could you be softer on the puck? Can you imagine someone like Craig Barube coaching this team? But you have nothing in minors to fix this. Even our 6’-7” winger Soderblom is soft on puck. I’d rather watch hard grinders give 110% than watch soft hockey. When was the last time wings had more shots than opponent? Realistic this team is worse than 4 years ago. Those teams at least tried to grind but Kane and Terrasenko simply will not play defense or grind.
Lalonde lost the team a long time ago, after the deadline last year. This team is way better on paper than they are playing. Bring in a new coaching staff, I can deal with not making playoffs again or even being bottom 10 but not like this. This is sad and boring to watch, same mistakes over and over. I understand trying to play good team defense but the offense is pathetic. Dump and chase every single god damn time.
You'll probably still complain as much as you do now even with a new coach.
@@Septembersmith9633with this shit roster you're absolutely right
I think we need to seriously think about lighting the fire under Lalonde's coaching seat. The lines are a mess, the roster is unmotivated, They dont have the fight they had last season.
If this team is still playing like this at the end of November and Newsy hasn’t made adjustments to the systems than Newsy is the problem. Yes, he has roster issues but he also has a very capable offensive group that if unleashed can put up points. They’d be better served in a more run and gun possession entry style of hockey IMO. They have legitimate goal scorers and playmakers. Give them some leash.
A good coach/leader/manager/supervisor/foreman, etc., understand the manpower they possess and what those individuals are capable of both individually and collectively. You have to fashion your strategies/tactics based on the tools you have on hand. It seems like Newsy is trying to force this group into a play style that he just doesn’t have all of, or enough of, the necessary tools. In my opinion that mostly equates to our lack of quality defensemen and power forwards.
Just like the Darkness with Harkness, you can't force systems on groups of players resisting to change. Didn't work then won't work now.
Time for lalonde, tanguay and bougner to all hit the road
Just admit it, the D trades (in and out) has been disastrous, far below what is acceptable.
Most of us could not understand the Walman trade at all when it happened, now it looks even worse.
I know they had to manage the fact that they had too many D men on the roster, but that was not the trade to make at that price AND management had put themselves in a very bad position due to a constant flow of bad, strange singings on the D.
Time to call it what it is: a complete fiasco and a display that management does not know how to put a D core in place to put it mildly.
If you think Walman is better than moving someone like Edvinsson up then you're part of the problem.
@@Septembersmith9633 what on earth are you talking about? Did I say that? Please read better.. Edvinsson is obviously not a traded player and I spoke about the trades.
Issues here are many but Walman and a 2nd pick out and Gustafsson in is one effect I don't approve of.
@@RuneGetSkaggyou shouldn't argue with stupidity, or people who can't read. You're absolutely right tho. This dcore is a complete mess and it's all on Yzerman and his failed attempt at getting Trouba. That missed swing hurt us badly in terms of we lost a decent player and a pick for nothing. Oh wait let's not forget Gus, actually no I wish we could.
I'm glad to see Simon, Bergs, and Kasper in the lineup, but other than that this team is hard to watch. Yes, the schedule has been tough, but there's no effort. We really miss Perron, as weird as that sounds.
Ghost and Walman too
The reality is where do the Red Wings go from here. There is no help coming from Grand Rapids. Firing Lalonde? For an interim coach? The wings are still feeling the effects of Holland and his disastrous pick of Zadina. Passing on Quinn Hughes sunk this organization. Yzerman walked into a team with one NHL caliber player.
The Ken Holland excuse is 5+ years old at this point. Yzerman has backed himself into this corner.
Oh fuck off. This is Yzerman's team and its time to blame him.
The problem is Lalonde. And sure there maybe an interim coach for a little while. But. Quenneville and gallant are both options. I prefer Quenneville with his problems because it’s hard to deny his coaching.
@@epheezee313the Ken holland excuse should only be in place for how long it took to get to this point. That roster was a disaster. Even with a shit record of 4-5-1 and how bad they have played. This roster is far far better than it was in 2018-19. There are still flaws in it a few glaring ones. But today my blame is on the coach. The dude can’t make a proper line. And his heavy def focused style doesn’t work with this line up.
Thank the lord baby Jesus for this discussion. If it wasn't for you guys I would feel like going insane and eating my own face. I am glad it's not just me thinking these things. Sending thanks from England!
May be a good time to starting looking at good deadline trades,,make a bad situation good..
If they do this, go get a defensive forward or a pure defensive defenseman. The offense with or Without Lalonde will eventually get it right, but this defense needs Help
Can he trade the coach?
Intermittently, Brad mentions the hard truth; this team has no identity or clear direction and are a painfully boring watch. Until those things change, this rudderless ship will continue breaking apart on the rocks.
imagine doing a emergency podcast on olli mattaa, alternate universe stuff.
They said they addressed culture and mindset in the offseason but I see zero culture and motivation.
While he would not be ny first choice of defensemen we could trade, getting a 3rd is strong, even if it's a 25+ pick bc the Rangers are a wagon.
Also, this should confirm Kasper is staying in Detroit
It’s definitely stronger than giving up a 2nd round pick to dump the only 2nd pairing guy on your roster.
@@chrismills8255 When the F are you people going to give it up ? He was not good - he was adequate - he was a healthy scratch in St Louis - he was a live body - then he had a decent year and they signed him to a contract - and he did not play up to it last year - he was heathy scratched late last season while they were fighting for a playoff spot . They had to dump a contract - they can't move - Holl, Petry, Chiarot - so guess who that left ? He was not and will not be mistaken for Cale Makar any time soon . Yzerman thought he was going to get Trouba - which he definitely would have preferred - and needed to get rid of cap space so he got rid of him - there are 30 other teams - if he was so good do you think they would have taken him for a 3rd ? for christ sakes let it go .
@@pjpredhomme7699in 246 games played Wallman has 26 goals, 36 assists and is a plus 3 and he spent most of that time on bad teams. Nobody is comparing him to Makar. He was scratched in St Louis because he was a young player on a stacked team, he was scratched in Detroit because he was injured and wasn't performing in practice so the coaches couldn't trust him to get the job done at the end of the year last year.
@@pjpredhomme7699 Guy has more points than Larkin...more points that every Dman on the roster combined outside of the two kids. Walman is way better than any potential 2nd pair guy on the roster. It will continue to be a topic this season because the D corps sucks and it made zero sense, and because the rebuild is a complete mess.
@@chrismills8255accurate
I think the boys nailed it on the head, I can't believe I can say I finally agree with Brad. It's nice to listen to a podcast talk intelligently about the ups and downs of the team. I wish I could say the same about the filthy casuals in the comments but they're only limited to a few misspelled words. Our situation is unique but not in a good way and there's no one easy fix either. I'm hoping November goes a little more smoothly 🤞
Please don't let us get Taged again saturday.
Steve better get this fixed soon. Keep giving up easy goals . Being out worked. Forwards looking smaller with each game. Do they ever win a battle anymore. Raymond 1 GOAL. Out shot has become the norm! Giving Matta away for a 3rd pick. Yes can use Cap space. Still he has been one of our more steady guys . At this point PO looking farther away. Maybe going for top 5 pick !
If you paid attention to our cap space then you'd know we have players coming off the books after this season which might help with future defense acquisitions.
@ That’s wonderful for next year. Sounds like you have written this year off. I’d like to make PO this year!
Still early, but the team just doesn’t look right. Hopefully it’s the flu, here’s to a better Nov. LGRW!!!!!
Great episode - glad to know I’m not only person loosing my mind over this team in just 10 games. Roster is suspect, system they trying to play isn’t working so both SY and coach to blame IMO. Perron missed as a leader for sure - keep hearing it’s a quiet lock room that’s not good. Agree that players like Kane showing some frustration between lines of their public comments. I don’t think coach has what it takes - starting to think best to make a change sooner than later or make major move to bring in 2nd line D or power forward to save the season. Said last year this team lacks a true identity - we look soft, slow and uninterested! What a mess - if Sat game is ugly could be time for a change!!
Lots of interesting comments on here on this episode.
I am happy with how our young players are developing which will be very important. Don’t know where that result is all on. Better picking and evaluating? Good development on the way up? Good interactions during practices by coaches to show what to work on and how to get better at it?
Hard to tell. That being said, if the youth infusion wasn’t so important I would move on from LaLonde. Tough balance because I don’t want a Babcock type that doghouses young players and destroys their development. Think Lalonde may be the development coach and someone else comes in to bring them over the hump.
It's HOW they're playing as to why Lalonde should be fired imo. I saw it during the 1-8 stretch late Feb through mid March. They were playing flat and not ready to start on time game after game during that stretch. That to me was coaching and it is now.
I keep saying it you don’t bring in Cat, Kane, Tarasenko etc and have a Larkin, Raymond then think let’s play defensive hockey especially with this D core in place really should have been ruthless in the offseason and got rid of a bunch and traded for guys on the back end. Even got rid of Olli who was the only one not named Seider or Edvinsson that can defend
Best thing to do is remove the most solid defenseman on the Wings. Maybe we should get rid of small, non-gritty forwards that can shoot. One trick ponies for sure. The wings have nothing that would worry me if I was an opposing forward. Like it or not Matta was one of your best. Trading “The Griddy” Walkman for nothing was horrible. Now try figuring out how Trouba’s contract was supposed to fit into this nightmare? Making matters worse, you have no assets that are tradable. No value at all, anywhere! Cap space? Sure, get rid of usable assets for salary cap space for???? Nothing. Maybe Wings are trying to snag top 3 pick. This lineup blows, big time. No hockey team is softer on the puck than Wings. Stop giving excuses for this trash! 4 super small soft shooters on top two lines? Even worse, even your 6’5” Rasmussen is softer than DeBrincat. How is that possible?
How drunk are you?
Surprised you guys haven’t analyzed why the team has been so bad in pro scouting under Yzetman. I see that there’s an Yzetman on the pro scouting staff. Nepotism? We obviously need someone else to help with this. How did they trade Jake? How did they sign so many mid level players to big contracts? Why don’t they ever trade for young players who just need an opportunity?
"I know what I said" lmao Evan is the man
How the actual $&€# does Jeff Petry have enough negotiating leverage to get an NTC in his contract?
He was an all star when he signed that contract - he used to be able to skate. I don't know if you ever watched him when he played for Edmonton or Montreal - he was a good hockey player . Now it looks like he is playing with skate guards on .
@ That makes sense. Forgot we traded for him. Oh Steve…
Petry probably wanted to come home before retiring. He's a right shot with a decent history but his age caught up with him which superseded any value he had left in the tank unfortunately.
I can 100% promise you that the Red Wings will end up having to trade Dylan Larkin. Maybe not this year, but this team clearly needs a rebuild 2.0 The main concern at the moment is we really have no high end forward prospects and unless we magically get another top 3 pick this year then that trend will continue. Larkin will legit be 32-33 years old when our window is actually open at the pace of our prospects and just won't be useful. It sounds insane but trading Larkin might be the smartest thing LONG TERM. I'd rather just 100% commit to Raymond and Seider then try to force Larkin window. Also Larkin genuinely deserves a shot on a cup contender type team and playoff hockey. Sucks DET couldn't provide it but his timeline unfortunately doesn't sync with the wings
Lmao yeah cuz someone is taking Larkin's contract for funsies.
This was the second year where I had to decided which Detroit team to focus on, the Pistons or the Wings. I'm off to the Pistons. I won't blame the coach. He didn't put this roster together.
I'm sure you're a savant in the NBA as well 🤣
Maata deal was a good move. Got rid of some deadweight and gives us a pick we can use in a deal , possibly add the 2 3rds to move up in the 2nd . Gives us options and more importantly johansson will play more and likely gives wallinder a look later on
You mean "deadweight" as someone that is veteran and can actually defend?
I feel so bad thinking about how long you guys have been at it, and how absurdly bad and uninteresting the team had been. God bless you guys.
#firestevie
Pity from a casual. That's hilarious.
What defines a casual?
Profiles!
As much as I hate to say this, the sad truth is that the Wings shouldn't be aiming for the playoff at this point, missing the playoff by an inch like last year won't do them any good, another good prospect might.. but yea.. it sucks, I feel like we're stock in a loop
Yserman needs to fire his pro scouting staff as well as amateur scouting staff with the exception of Haaken Anderson.
There will never be lottery luck, ever. Pittsburg will get it or Anaheim. Pittsburg needs a new Crosby, and Buttman knows it.
I hear you guys talk about misa a lot bc of his production if you actually watch tho I wouldn’t pick him personally he falls into 95% of his goals and his shot is very slow and don’t think it will translate well in the nhl
The Wings are only *expected to make the playoffs* by a certain group of fans. That's it. No one should be expecting playoffs, not after a lackluster summer.
What's more important the sport or money? Baseball decided it was money. Will hockey make the same choice?
too bad they didn't flip that 3rd for Timothy Liljegren
Couldn’t even crack the leafs but he was gonna be a saviour here😂 we have pellikka coming. Don’t need liljgren
@@socialmediag5485at least he's young and a former top pick
@@socialmediag5485 he instantly woulda been Detroit's 2nd best RD. I know you forgot to put that in there. 🤣🤣
@@zombiedabs7785 and he’d be let go by the off season . What’s your point
@@socialmediag5485 he's still better than 6 of the 8 defensemen Detroit started the season with.. if you aren't trying to upgrade wtf are you doing? even the guys on the pod thought it was a good idea.. he'd be a great 3rd pair option once ASP joins the crew. if you don't have anything positive to add go root for the leafs.
Are we seeing the impact of Perron leaving the locker room?
I think when you look at it from a business standpoint; you make a decision between apples and oranges because you need to and then somehow one has more mental consequence than the other even though it shouldn't. I wouldn't say it has everything to do with the players we traded but seeing as how everyone turned into a wet blanket from the Burtuzzi trade; it wouldn't surprise me if the absence of some of the guys has something to do with it but in the end it's a competition not a friends and beer league.
But if Lalonde exits, who replaces him?
They'd probably just roll with boughner or tanguay as an interim.
Joel Quenneville
@@jcrook94 😂 Yah, and I will immediately start taking bets on whether he lasts longer than Babcock in Columbus! 🤣
My thoughts exactly. It's a catch 22 rn. Nobody enjoys it but it's reality. You don't just throw anybody in also; it doesn't fix the problem.
I like to think Evan fell asleep and that's why his spot gets covered.
I'm surprised petry can even stand on skates
One of the oldest rosters in the league but we’re still rebuilding ? Wtf. Smh
Man.... good thing you werent Red Wing fans back the 80's and early 90's.
Can anyone just enjoy watching their 'hometeam' play?
I was and the 70s too - and this is absolutely brutal . I haven't finished watching a game yet this year. I don't even care if they lose as long as they play entertaining brand of hockey - and this team has shown none of that this year. Something is broken on this team .
@Micheal
I dont even try to argue anymore these days. The comments are riddled with ungrateful know it alls who only thinks in absurdity.
I'm not trying to be a full blown doomer but i think something huge needs to happen to shake up the organization. either fire yzerman, fire lalaonde, trade larkin, idk man, something crazy needs to happen to wake this team up. i was at the game last night and that 6-2 loss was hard to watch
We need a leader like Dan Campbell
Did you honestly think we had any chance going into that game against the top of the league? I guess you didn't actually listen to the podcast. Short term panic fixes ruin the long term success. You may not like it but crazy reactionary decisions win you dumb prizes.
Trade for 2 huge Probert style grinders. At least they’ll remind opposing teams not to skate downhill. We’re watching trash and it will not get better?
Yea, this roster stinks, but Lalonde didn't have the guys starting on time last year either with a better roster.
Sandin-Pellika won't be in a Red Wing uniform until 2026, but could be here IF he's outstanding next fall for the Griffins after a couple of months. Remember that he's 19 for most of this year (i.e., season), so being 20 years old for 2025-26 is about right as goes Yzerman's plan for D-man development. But I hope he's up next December (2025).
Making the jump from SHL to NHL isn't unheard of. I feel he can be the same caliber of a player as Seider and Raymond. So don't be too sure cuz he could make that jump sooner rather than later.
@@Septembersmith9633 I don't disgree, but a couple of months with the Grifs might be of benefit. Mo played in GR as a 18yr old then played in SHL as 19yr old then made the Wings out of camp. Axel playing NHL style hockey for a few months will help, but if he blows everyone away at next year's camp then he probably stays with the team. Fingers crossed.
Head coach has to go, and this is my first time saying this in any context. He isn’t making this team better
Prospect profiles LFG!!!
ASP asap
Glad to hear that the show is waking up and though I am not a fortune teller I have seen this coming,,,NOT A PLAYOFF !!!! I hope that they see it and start changing the PLAN..A coaching change may be in the cards,,
You obviously haven't been listening. 2 of them said no playoffs in their pre season predictions and any sane person knows they aren't playoff contender ready. Its just people be thirsty casuals
Yzerman brought in Patrick Kane and Alex Debrincat, what are you talking about with Yzerman not giving the coach a roster to work with? Maybe Lalonde isn't a good coach and his systems aren't ment for this league and there's nothing wrong with that (he's not good at his job). Terrible take. This isn't the same team from 2019/Covid season
You have 2 and a half nhl defenseman, and the bottom 6 is atrocious. This roster is as much of the problem as the coach. The yzerstans need to open their dam eyes. This is on him.
Wings will NEVER win a cup with Larkin as captain, he’s soft!
1st. LGRW
FUCK
lol are we supposed to actually believe this team is supposed to take us to the promised land in couple years…??? Time for full rebuild and bye bye to yzerman.
Full rebuild lmao we already have danielson nygard cossa pellikka in the pipeline waiting . Kasper and edvinsson just starting ... and we’ll probably add a top 10 pick this season ... what more you want?? Now we just gotta be patient and I’m sure Yzerman will make a trade for a 24-26 year old of impact
If Kasper and Danielson pan out, you have Center depth we haven’t had in forever. Sandin Pellikka looks like a stud which gives a solid top three on D with potential with Johansson. Lots of complimentary D potential still with Buium, Wallinder. Bottom D pairing guys are pretty easy to pick up. Wingers are easier to get in free agency than Centers.
Tell me you nothing about our prospects without saying it.
Forgot to MBN who looked very good in camp and prospect tourney.
I'm done with Yzerman and his Yzerplan! He's had how many seasons now to make this team competitive and all he has managed is to go out in the off season and pick up slug hockey players!
He needs to stop hiring his buddies and focus on building a great pro scouting staff, because this team's Achilles heel is their pro scouting. It shouldn't be understated how the Wings never got a top of the draft player through their whole rebuild. The draft lottery really hurt Detroit. Not just in us never getting a lottery pick. The Wings got leapfrogged and bumped back 2-3 spots almost every season.
@edenisburning the lottery luck sucked no doubt. But it was Steve's decision to hit the gas prematurely. Instead of going out and signing copp and chiarot when they did, we should've tanked at least 1 more year to really bolster the prospect pool. Could have had another top 5 pick on the roster instead of a string of 10th + picks
@mattl2642 agreed 100%. I think he felt the pressure and moved away from his own plan. When he told the fans this is going to take a while but I want to do it right, we were all like.. hell yeah. They need to start expediting these prospects, too. They let Brandsegg-Nygard go back to the SHL when it was obvious he was ready for the NA game. Yzerman has to be tough and say no, we want you in the AHL this year. My biggest criticism is that Steve has signed way too many roadblocks keeping the youth from playing. Berggren should have been in the NHL since his rookie breakout shortened season. He'd be further along. Edvinsson should have played all last season, he'd be further along. I'm with ya, I'm frustrated. But these bad contracts are almost all gone and he did sign the key guys like Raymond and Seider and Larkin to extremely team friendly deals. In a few years, this team might be something. But I can't help but feel like we're going to have to bottom out again for a season before that happens. Like when the Avs sucked and drafted MacKinnon. Maybe we go all in youth next year and tank for McKenna lol. I'd be down with an awful year if it ended with Gavin McKenna in a Wings jersey.
@edin
How drunk are you? The SHL is arguably top 5 most competitive league in the world and they train on NA ice rinks. If MBN and ASP come over to GR next year what's the issue? Also in what world as a pro GM do you force teenagers to give up their family friends and education to come play in a unfamiliar country full of ungrateful fans? I would consider Axel and Raymond the same caliber of player so the jump in leagues isn't unheard of. Petry, Husso, Kane, Maataa will all be off the books as well as some of the small 1mil deals. You won't really need to sign any big contracts. Maybe fill the 2nd/3rd right D pairing and someone to replace Kane if he doesn't resign. The problem was people thought this year was supposed to be a playoff caliber team but it really was just a presumptuous ambition at best from the fans.
Hear me out. We tank this year, we get a new coach due to tanking, and we get a good draft pick. Wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
I'm surprised petry can even stand on skates
I feel like his age really has caught up with him. The sentiment was there in the signing and he probably wanted to retire in his home state but there's no way he can sustain any level of compete so the hypothetical value of his right shot has gone out the window sadly.