@@shmurdabobby3034 Larkin is on the wrong side of several career-shortening injuries and is in the dead center of his prime. There is no first line center in the system to replace him, should he suffer another injury. He is not part of whatever imagined cup window you saw in your eye of orthanc. Raymond is getting paid at what his ceiling projects to be. Everyone down the development chart from the three you listed do not project to be first line skaters. The “window” is farther away than the end of Seider’s new contract.
*a couple episodes ago* “yeah we can’t rely on a rookie like Simon Edvinsson to carry the D-core” *gets injured* “Yeah we’re doomed” Buddy is literally carrying the D-core with Mo
The d core without edvisson is atrocious. Seider is fine. But holy hell. Chiarot on the first line was like watch a Grampa trying to defend. And Holl had to play too. It’s like 3 people who can’t skate on the ice 2 in the top 4. Edvisson presence was missed severely. Also Lalonde should be fired and bring in Quenneville. His off ice issues don’t compare to his Stanley cups and win percentage
The system is atrocious and fruitless. Lalonde using this system shows he’s ONLY willing to play it safe. I guarantee his system is actually making the team worse.
We all know this team has issues all over the line up but I don't think I've ever wanted Blashill gone as badly as Lalonde. People wanna forget but there was red flags on Lalonde since game one. Healthy scratching Zadina for Erne after he had a fantastic pre-season.
@@nvsblty The point is Lalonde is an idiot who would rather play a fringe player with no real future with the team instead of a guy who might have real potential.
Well... Zadina deserved his shot but he's barely NHL player. He's doing well in a different league, maybe he will improve his game over there. Blashill wasnt that bad of a coach desite results. Babcock knew how bad we were going to be and bailed
Clearly doesnt give a shit list: Copp Compher Rasmussen Chiarot Petry Holl Gustafson Its a huge issue that 4 of those guys are on defense. There is no way to fix this defense this season. None. Its Hagens time. Embrace it.
No.. at this point we deserve the griddy. Yzerman deserves the griddy for making that trade in the first place. How we had to give away assets to move Jake Walman, let alone wanting to move Jake Walman to begin with, is beyond me.
@captbloodbeard After 8 years of watching every single PTSD inducing game of this rebuild.. after watching the draft lottery screw us and bump us back 2-3 spots every year.. I don't know that I even have a heart to break anymore. I'd just watch Wally bust that griddy all up in our face, and coldly accept it as poetic justice.
Who cares at this point? I can’t stand our entire team and especially our coach. I really dislike our entire roster at this point. We deserve to get griddied
@ dump and chase with NO FORECHECK. It’s MIND BOGGLING LOL. That’s how dumb Lalonde is, dump and chase but the team is literally almost dead last for hits per game.
The interesting thing with the Lalonde/Yzerman discussion is what was your assessment before the season? I think many believed, independent of contract amounts, that the Tarasenko signing was a good one, and the Gustafsson signing was a step down from Ghost, but maybe lesser offense, better defense situation - maybe two steps back on offense but a step forward on defense. I don't think anyone predicted how pedestrian Tarasenko would be and poor Gustafsson would be. The same holds true for other signed players. So the question is, are the players bad or is the coaching staff just not using them well? I tend to give coaching staffs a long runway but to me this is more coaching than player acquisition. Also, several players have had bad first years with the team, so is that just normal player transitioning to a new team or is it coaches slowly learning how to play their guys over the year? I felt before the season the Wings had a fair chance to make the playoffs, similar to last year's results or a bit lower. This current team isn't that. If the sentiment Kane expressed a week or two ago is any indication of the rest of the team, Lalande has or is close to losing the ear of his team and certainly there's disagreements on how to move forward in-house. Lastly, I don't think Lalonde is "special" in any specific area so I'm not particularly uncomfortable in losing that, its just a feeling though.
Sure could have used Jake Walman on our ice last couple of games where it's been EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that past Edvinsson - Seider, we have no quality dmens who are able to eat mins, most of our dmens behind our top pair would be a 7th dmen on pretty much every legit playoff contender, notice i'm saying only sayung PLAYOFF contender and not Cup contender, our dmens wouldn't even be a healthy scratch guy on a team like that. I DON'T think the rebuild is a utter failure because of this though, we have some great dmens in our pool and I think someone like Sandin-Pelikka could make an instant impact next season and beyond, but that is next season, this is now. And in the now, it's a failure on both management and coaching staff, management who made that awful Walman trade with zero replacement (yes I know Edvinsson basically took his spot, but he was here last year aswell) and coaching staff for consistently missmanage the players to get the most out of them. This is how i would shake this lineup moving forward, notice that 2nd right dmen there is actually NO decent option on, which again was the biggest hole in our lineup last season aswell. That is entirely on Yzerman since Lalonde have the players he have, but overall outside of the decision to move Walman ahead of Maatta BEFORE the season started, i think Yzerman done an ok job so far. The best way to build a team is through the draft and so far all our 1st round picks since Stevie took over have been acceptable to great, Raymond first liner, Edvinsson & Seider both first pair dmens and Kasper looks like he could be a legit 2nd line center, jury is still out on Danielson, Sandin-Pelikka & Cossa but all looking promising to be quality NHL players atleast, which is what you need as a floor as first round picks, and ofcourse hope for elite/star quality to translate. Again, I don't think you have to panic and tear it all down again but I do feel Newsy - Yzerman relationship isnt really syncing so a coaching change would be a first step for sure... Ok, to my prefered lineup and thought behind: 1st line: Compher/Veleno - Larkin - Raymond = Larks and Rayzor have always been best together, sure DeBrincat fits well there aswell but this team is not deep enough to have all the eggs in same basket and you have to make a decision how to get depth scoring going, the best use of Kane and Tarasenko for example that both have struggling A LOT this season. Compher or Veleno on the wing brings speed, forcheck, puck retrival and responsible two way game to enable Larkin and Raymond to focus on offense and hopefully open up #23 to SCORE goals aswell and not just look for passes which is what i see when he plays with two shoot first guys in Larks/Cat. 2nd Line: DeBrincat - Kasper - Kane = we all know Kaner and Cat have chemistry and the biggest reason #88 resigned or even came here in first place was because of his best buddy #93. Kasper have earned that 2nd line center and is also a great move to have him play there to keep develop his offensive game in the future, in the now he is atleast a great 200 fot player with speed that will check hard and retrive pucks aswell cover up defensively for his offense first wingers. 3rd Line: Berggren - Compher/Veleno - Tarasenko = If Berggren was better defensively i would have but him on the first line to power up Raymond aswell, since he is a great playmaker. But he have meshed well with Tarasenko and I think 3rd line is probably where you will get most value out of him and give Vladdy a proper set up man. The center would be fine with either Compher or Veleno, I would almost stretch it to Joe being a better fit here because they have a history of playing together in GR and that would give the first line a right handed shooter instead of Cat, JT who I also think has more offensive upside then Veleno. 4th line: Rasmussen - Copp - Fischer = the "shutdown line", doesn't need much more to say here rather then it should have least mins on ice and throw in as a energy checking line to help set up other lines for offensive deployment/chanses. This is where Newsy or whoever leads the team need to make sure you don't over play to ruin the offensive rythm of the game, this is where, just as it is with Chiarot-Petry pair, I think been given to much icetime and need to balance out more properly as a more classic 4th grinder line to just throw in now and then, also save energy for the PK. The dpairs is a mess frankly with no obvious solution, I doubt this team can afford having Edvinsson and Seider together and at the same time should def not have either or atleast both of Chiarot and Petry on top 4 mins. This is where, again, Jane Walman would have been very useful to have around. One of very few players in San Jose who is a plus (+4) player and logs almost 23 mins a night while being on pace for a 60p season! Noone can argue against that he would have been the better player to hang on to in the offseason over Maatta, or heck, even signing Gustafsson to begin with... But it is what it is, that one is up to Stevie Y to correct somehow now. All i know is that 2nd pair have been an absolute mess ever since Hronek was traded (which for the record was a good to even great move at the time! Just nobody even close to decent have been replaced). I still think we can still turn this season around but clock is ticking and we basically played 1/4 of the season and something gattu change, like, NOW! #lgrw
Accountability lies with Yzerman. It’s starts with him to course correct by making a roster move, trade, etc. Lalonde has improved every season he’s coached, but he has some accountability as well with team preparation. If I’m doing anything I’m hiring new D/PK coach asap and see if that helps out at all.
@@Septembersmith9633but there’s not a meaningful chance the team is getting a top pick. The team is so bad they’re not terrible enough to be in contention for number 1 overall. And this program can’t develop a quality prospect anyway.
@@workshoptelescopeI respectfully disagree. Now idk how much the boys here are exaggerating the forward talent of this year's draft but anything inside the top 10 picks is a solid bet usually and for all we know that could be the plan this year. Outside of Kasper getting a full dissection of his talents as a rookie for a full year; I'd say we've been pretty successful with Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson so far. I legit think last year and this year have been a litmus test experiment for Yzerman. He cleaned house when he was hired and I have a feeling he's gonna do something similar after this season. He's already started moving some of those stop gap players out. I think he's looking for something better than 15th in the draft imo(we are that bad); hence the lack of 'appropriate action' with staff. I'm not gonna be presumptuous of how he handles LaLondes future or the rest of the roster. Rough times suck, I get it. However, I don't think he doesn't not have a plan for the off season. He kept is hush with hiring LaLonde so I can't really judge until I see the off-season results and preseason decisions.
Yes, coach had his chance. Was pushing this better defensive play this season and it has not worked. Time for another set of eyes and ideas to get this team back on track
@@Septembersmith9633Yeah. He's done such a bang up job of using cap dollars wisely so far. He should honestly be locked up away from any forms of communication from July 1-15 every year, lwt some other G.M.'s make those brutal signings instead.
@@jessecoonce1363i didn't say all of his contracts have been successful, however Im not going after any high market free agents until I know I've got good picks in talent with Danielson or ASP at the very least. If I know I can win a team with Walman, Perron, Ghost, etc then I'm AOK with 1 crappy year to get a better pick because 15th is not a great spot. Hypothetically speaking: I crap out this year; my ready to go prospects get another chance at Calder cup success; I get another top 10 draft pick; cap space has gone up; bring over my 2-3 top euro players and maybe shop for that next level of compete coach. Petry, Kane, Husso and most of the bottom 6 will be off the books. Doesn't sound so bad for an end of the year plan.
Happy with drafting Trey Augustine in the second round a couple years ago. Gibson was able to be flipped for decent. Brady Cleveland was a real head scratcher. There were quality center prospects still on the board and we chose defense in an offense heavy draft there.
You guys kept saying last year that regression with this team is inevitable, but I didn’t want to believe it. So thanks for predicting my misery. You gentlemen are straight up the 3 Sisters of Fate
I wouldn’t mind Walman scoring. Why not lol He does the griddy after Yzerman traded him with two years left on his contract. Was a gustaffson signing necessary? Another 2 mill there Could’ve traded Maatta before trading away Walman. We all know Walman would’ve been great for the second pair or 3rd pair in my opinion. Walman has been dealing with injuries and maybe Steve didn’t want to pay a guy 3.4 for another three years. Now these are my assumptions, yet we’ll never know the real reason why Steve traded Walman with a 2nd round pick for future considerations.
I'm so tired of the "they don't have any talent" argument. No that's incorrect, their "talent" is snakebitten right now and not producing enough. You have Raymond, Larkin, ADB, Kane, Edvinsson, Seider, Lyon, Talbot, Tarasenko, Compher etc... These guys aren't scoring enough so you are seeing games slip because they are too conservative which is a coaches system that clearly doesn't work in a league where scoring is on the rise. Stop saying they don't have talent its false. If they didn't have talent they wouldn't have missed the playoffs last season by a game...
@@casewojo6186 How often does the coach make a hit, drop the gloves and stand up for teammates? How often does a coach push out 120% of his body for the team? How often does a coach fight off an injury to score a goal? CHARACTER COUNTS = in life as well as hockey.
@@NunyaBizness-z8f Lalonde wouldn’t do any of those things. The coach is the problem, plain and simple. The players are part of the problem too. They’re soft.
@ he’s not using the same system dude. He’s trying to force a roster to play a defensive/low event system. It’s clearly not working and he keeps trying it anyways. There’s no room for offensive creativity with this style of hockey. Dump and chase with NO FORECHECK is laughable.
Defense could have been improved by trading a very low pick for Dante Fabbro, Nashville let's him go over waivers for free. Opportunity missed. Signing holl for way too much and way too long is an issue. Letting ghostisbehere leave and signing Gustavsson seems ludicrous. Hindsight criticism for sure, but I disliked each move as they happen. Chiarot for that term seemed very weird as well.
@@Septembersmith9633He's saying they could have traded for him for nearly nothing prior to that had they known he had fallen out of favor in Nashville.
yeah, not just signing bad players but signing them with term. thats what is holding the team back. these albatross contracts for negative value players you wouldnt even be able to pay someone to take from your roster
We don’t know the situation behind ghost. He could have seen how shit this d core was gonna look this year at the time, and figured “yeah I’m gonna go to Carolina and try to win a cup” lol dudes bounced around a bit before he came here and he’s not getting younger, so he could have just wanted a better situation for himself personally.
In terms of points, goals for and goals against we're on pace for a season very similar to 2017-18. No one can convince me that this roster is as bad as when Justin Abdelkader played in the top 6 and a 37 year old Kronwall was our best defender. It's a coaching issue.
Our defense was miles better than this. Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser, Daley, Jensen, Ericsson. Name a defenseman after Seider and Edvinsson that's better than one of those guys.
Veleno has been an absolute void. Another horrific Yzerman deal. TERRIBLE pro scouting. Don't forget the two goalie trades that have been disasters as well. He has not been good here at all outside of the draft.
1:02:06 Expansion fees being shared seems like the thing you ask for as the PA to raise the ceiling of the total get in the CBA. You won't get it, but you want it to make it feel like you gave the owners something.
You guys are right on about the team play. They appear listless, despondent, and despondent. Maybe Lalonde needs to go, but the GM performance should be reviewed as well. They are getting older and slower, a recipe for failure inthe NHL.
Are we finally going to get the #1 overall pick? Cant believe im saying that, but you cant tell me that the Wings arent a bottom 5 team. Without Talbot, the Wings are hanging out in last place.
Gallant, Quenville, and a few others are the retread names on the coach available list.. a change could spark the team and provide a better form of entertainment. Talbot has been great, and that hides a lot of issues.
Great coaches strike psychological fear into their players, with players knowing that if it's clear they aren't giving 100% effort at all times, that their coach will lay into them. It's clear that no player fears Lalonde.
Neither Gallant nor Quenville should even be considered for the position. Gallant has a known track record for poor development with young players. Quenville shouldn’t even be in the league.
Systematically the organization is not aligned with its own values. How can a team be hard to play against if they play a conservative style? Stevie gets caught up in the details of the job doing day in and day out tasks without looking at the big picture. He fills the roster with the bottom of the barrel players. He hired the coach, he signs the contracts, he makes the trades, but it’s led to mediocrity, the worst place to be in professional sports. How many years into his tenure and he can’t ice a competitive team? How long of a rope are you gonna give a GM just because he’s a franchise legend. There’s no build to this rebuild. If it were anybody else fans would be calling for his head. A manager should be evaluated based on performance and nothing else. No more excuses for believing in the “Yzerplan.” It’s just made up jargon to gloss over reality. Drafting/development have been average, pro scouting is atrocious. Is there a real path forward here where the Red Wings have a legitimate chance at a Stanley cup? Sure it’s possible, but looks more like they are rebuilding to become the last decade’s Minnesota Wild. The team is losing because of Yzerman plain and simple. Observe with your eyes, not nostalgia. Yzerman’s Tampa succeeded mostly because of Al Murray and their draft success. He’s not capable of building the whole thing from scratch
The main issue is that if this team is going to have so many inefficiencies why not just accept it and suck? Our future would be much brighter if we sucked the last few years instead of being a middle of the pack team. I mean we potentially missed out on Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli, Will Smith, Michkov, Cooley, Slafkovsky, Wright etc Especially the bedard year missed out on potentially some massive game changers that actually could make this team legit. Now we are banking on one of Kasper or Danielson to somehow hit Larkin level, all while Larkin is clearly too old for this core and his contract will be bad when this team is supposed to be competitive. Entire handling of this team has been atrocious
But how are we supposed to suck when Seider, Larkin and Raymond are playing great and carrying us? Trade them? Kasper and Danielson won't be big point producers, but the hope is that those guys can turn into Cirelli/Eriksson EK/Danault type two-way beasts. It's valuable to have three centers who can all skate and are difficult to play against.
42:27 Please no. EDIT: So, if my options are the guy who shielded a predator or the guy who got in trouble for being racist in the locker room, I guess I'd have to choose...letting Boston pick first and choosing the drunk. I know that's a crass way of putting it, but I'm trying to make a point.
The other thing that hurts badly about this: there's now a very real possibility that the Pistons (the bloody Pistons!) are going to be the team that brings the playoffs to Little Ceasars arena. The Wings are going to be the last team from Detroit out of the era of suck where everyone was bottom of barrel to make it back to the playoffs. That is the brutal reality when at some point the Yzerman regime probably had the most confidence of the four front offices.
Who's to blame for the defensive play being "Hey guys just stay 3 feet away from whoever has the puck. Don't pressure. Don't deviate too far from your spot...just stay away a bit"? Who's to blame for the dump and choke on forechecking? Who's to blame for having only 1 defenseman who does anything (Mo) and almost no production out of anyone else? Also, Mo has been good, but he's not doing anything like Makar who scores goals. Fuck, does Mo even shoot? Who's to blame for getting all players to give our goalies some F'in help? Who's to blame for our players not having ANY urgency to get pucks and keep possession? I mean I really hate how often people are just not making the decision to go get the puck. It's sit back and wait. 4+1 box defense is atrocious this season how the boys are playing it. No one goes and gets the puck. I mean look at what San Jose did to us...SAN JOSE... Whoever had the puck, 1 shark player would immediately go after them and pressure. The other 3 maintained protecting the slot. There are so many glaring issues with this team's play style.
I don’t think Newsy is a head coach no matter what roster he has. Outside of first round drafting Stevie has a lot of poor decisions under his belt. One of them is hiring Newsy. Any neutral party is giving Stevie a poor grade on his overall performance.
I agree with Brad, no one steps up to fill the bigger shoes, they fall apart when there’s an injury. STEP UP everyone in the team is in the NHL and should be capable of at least being serviceable to a reasonable extent. This team is not fundamentally that different from last year. The D core wasn’t great last season and it’s not great this season.
I’m hoping they lose to San Jose, Lalonde needs to be gone. He has lost this team. There is no heart, no compete. I feel bad for Seider and Ed, They’re relying on Ed a basically a rookie to save this defense. It’s crazy how one straw like ed getting injured, broke are back. Just shows how bad this defense is constructed. Our bottom 6 minus berg & Kasper have been lifeless. Copp on the second line is laughable. Kane has been the worst 5-5 player this year. This team needs a HUGE change & if they have any playoff hopes they need to fire lalonde & make at least one trade for an actual defensemen. I’ll continue to watch because I love this team, but it hurts. Anyways #LGRW
Larkin looks broken man, Steve gave him a scarily bad roster. From cat missing nets, to the PK being horrendous, too Petry and chariot losing puck battles & getting walked, too Senko & Gus looking like bad adds. This team needs HELP! now more than ever.
@@ZachDETyour right. I watch his postgame interviews and he looks so defeated with this team. When he says all the time that he believes in the guys on this roster in such a low and tone it sounds far from believable from what he actually thinks. Yzerman probably promised Larkin and good team in the next 2 to 3 years to get him to stay. I bet he’s worried that he wasted his youth years playing for garbage rosters which isn’t fair to him.
Several thoughts. 1. Jay Woodcroft=Detroit Jesus. 2. Dont forget about Jesse Kiiskinen! Idk how they would organize talent in GR accordingly but considering ASP and MBN are only playing 2nd and 3rd line minutes on a middle of the pack teams the same going for Finnie and Kiiskinen i want to see all of them moved to GR for better competition opportunity but idk if thats even plausible. Also Buchnelikov still has another year after this one on his KHL contract. 3. On a serious question with team morale and efforts on an all time low; how serious of a thought of a collective team effort mutiny against a coach is an actual thing at the NHL level as you guys discussed with the fck o meter running low? I dont think Yzerman over favors Lalonde or Tanguay because hes shown he can clean house if needed. I agree with you guys you dont make deals for short term success unless that must have coach is available then you sign him for longer term. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a top line replacement for Larkin drafted next draft. Imo you make the best of this season because you have to. But youth level graduations are needed. The only FA signings i wanna see are for better top Dmen or 1 big ticket forward. Let the youth fill the rest and gain experience tbh especially since this year has not been as successful.
@@Septembersmith9633Doesn't matter, the G.M.'s job is to make the team better, he's done a poor job to date. First 3 years were great, he's been terrible since and it's all on his brutal UFA signings. He'd have been better off staying truly bad instead of signing Copp and Chiarot to make the team "competitive".
This is looking a lot like the Bob Quinn & Matt Patricia era Lions. Here are the similarities: Trying to build a team similar to the one they came from Hiring a coach from the team they came from to be their first highest level head coaching job The head coach that was hired has said some weird things to the media. Questionable 2nd round picks (Brady Cleveland) (does the name Jahlani Tavai bring back memories for Lions fans?) Trading/ letting go well liked players because they either didn’t fit the culture, spoke their mind, or didn’t want to deal with that player’s faults. Jake Walman, Jakub Vrana, Quandre Diggs, and Darius Slay come to mind. There are some similar good things, just not many. Yzerman drafting Mo Seider, Lucas Raymond, and Simon Edvinsson. While Quinn drafted Taylor Decker and Frank Ragnow, remain as key to the O-line. Bottom line, Steve Yzerman still has a chance to change course. But, he needs to put his smartest man in the room, cards close to the vest ego aside to be able to make the changes that need to be made.
We can suck forever and I'll stick around as a fan. If Quenneville gets hired, I'll stop watching Wings hockey. Dude doesn't deserve a place in hockey ever again, let alone a storied franchise like Detroit.
Folks don't want to hear this but the Wings need some freakin Luck!!! Somebody has to be what nobody thought they would be and be a Star for this team. Right now we don't have many Brimstone and fire guys who demand excellence and can back it up. Larkin is not that kind of player and Kane is past his prime. People want Lalonde to be the firestarter but not sure that is his personality. Patience and some Luck IMO are what we need most lol. What if our 2nd round Russian pick can come and be another Ovechkin. Wouldn't that be nice lol
As dire as I want them to make playoffs this year. I honestly just want them to lose until they finally can lalonde and make some changes. Even if we win some games the end result will be the same. Might as well change it up then start winning
Give the C to Seider, dude is the heart and soul of this team. Larkin just needs to concentrate on playing and getting that weight off his shoulders. I think it’d do wonders for him. Also firing their coach and finally hiring Gallant.
The guy who got turnstyled by Kevin Fiala? Gallant’s a known problem with developing players. If the prospects are half as good as Yzerfans say they are, Gerry is not the guy you want coaching them.
Lol, I have a receipt somewhere of screaming that we were one injury away from a destroyed defense roster when we got rid of Walman. Makes no sense still to this day. Regardless, I say play the kids at this point. Get a good top 5 prospect, and sell off. This is a bad roster this year. It's on Yzerman as much as everyone, including myself, doesn't want to say or point fingers. The coach can only get so much here, and 4 of our six d-men can't hack NHL games day to day, but hey... we got a third for Maata... Gotta think about that long game... Maybe we need MOAR trade assets to finally land the coveted Trouba... It's so bad...
The Wings are and have been a very very soft team to play against,,So yes you are right Brad , this team has no F in balls !! No D as I have been saying since last year,, and the forwards minus a couple of players are way over rated,, Copp, Compher,, Tarrasenko,, Gustafson, Holl,, Peitry, just to mention a few,,,that's a lot of $$$ doing O !! I think Stevie needs to be held accountable for some of the wow's that are now clear !!!! Like I said,,start a new rebuild and stop just hanging in there,, a few HIGH draft picks would go further in the future than just picking 15,, and trade as many old farts as possible.for what ever picks you can get,,Can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh!t !!
To many old over paid bad signings !! Coach is way over rated, Yzerman needs to start a rebuild on the rebuild..Very very SAD!! The best thing that could happen to the Wings would be to have a COUPLE of really BAD BAD reasons,,get some high draft picks,, The word on the street is 2026 has a super star # 1,, and trade as many vets as possible and get as many draft picks for the next couple of years...A NEW REBUILD starts yesterday, period....
If you had asked the "do we need a change" question a week, two weeks ago, I'd have said no. But now? Yeah... I think it's time to drag the guillotine out of the closet and start rollin' some heads, because we're spinning our wheels *on a good night* and skating through tar on a bad one. When Anaheim scored their second goal, and I saw how both teams played in that first shift after the goal, I knew we would lose. I just knew. Then when they said on the broadcast after the third goal that Chiarot was paired with Seider? Yeah, I knew a goal against was coming, and sure enough... It's time for a change., if for no other reason than to wake the team up.
Given the current situation, it's time to: deal or waive Veleno, waive Motte or send down, call up Nate and Mazur. If the season is gonna be shit then bring up the youngsters and let them cut their teeth. Also Copp and Rasmussen need a kick in the ass and need to drop the gloves a few times. Let's F'n Go, Boys!!
Weird. Team’s build bad. I’ve been saying the prospects pool was wildly overrated, by writers and fans alike. “When the team’s competitive” is a troublingly malformed defense of the Yzerplan. Who will be the first line center for the team “when the team is competitive”? Larkin’s on the wrong side of manifold injuries and is presently in the dead middle of his career and prime, if he carries on the rest of it uninjured. This season is a referendum because the moves made the last two years attempted to make a playoff appearance.
I was at the San Jose game. Fun watching Kasper & Edvinsson but this is a bad team. Turnovers, awful D except for Seider/Edvinsson & what looks like apathy. Need to button things up with a new voice.
I'd be surprised if we make a coaching change at this point of the season. This roster is a downgrade from last year, that is more on management than Newsy. Now, I WOULD like to see a trade for an actual top 4 D man, and at this point I am ready to give up some of that sweet sweet young talent to do so. However that being said, we don't have many players under good value contracts currently, and the next 2 season are unfortunately going to be more of the same...
Steve should tell the guys that we are tanking for 1 more year. Get a top 3 pick that is a center with TALENT as a primary attribute and not 200 foot bullshit priority because we have way too much of that in terms of free agents and prospects. Then we can get a a new 2C who can hopefully grow into a 1C when Larkin gets older. Why we signed Copp and compher to 5 YEARS is beyond me.
I was so disgusted watching the LA game and I shut it off after the second goal, I knew we didn't have a chance and I could stand to watch them not being able to move the puck out of their zone. Someone needs to take over this penalty kill, it is a complete failure.
It is pretty easy to see a lot of this is on Lalonde. I am DONE giving any more chances. His system is AWFUL, it’s not just going to all of the sudden start working. Why is there such a long leash with Lalonde? He has to go! His system is so archaic and fruitless.
They don't play like a team it's like watching a pick-up game It's like they don't know what the other players are going to do and it doesn't look like anyone has any confidence each team has it's identity and that comes from coaching but all I see is players looking lost on the ice and so I believe there has to be a coaching change
drafting has been fine under Draper/Stevie, but the pro scouting department seems to be unbelievably bad. on their own, one or two of the bad signings/trades could be papered over but when its damn near every single decision? woooofffffff
@@jessecoonce1363 oh ain't no way 😂go watch tennis bruh. we have ASP who has the most points as a defenseman in the SHL as a 19 year old playing in a mens league, and we have Buchelnikov who has 3rd highest points in the KHL (is the youngest player in the top 11). Plus he drafted Seider/Raymoned, Kasper who is showing good things, Mazur, Lombardi. You a whole 🤡blaming Yzerman. God people like you must be dumb a f
@@jessecoonce1363 oh ain't no way 😂go watch tennis bruh. we have ASP who has the most points as a defenseman in the SHL as a 19 year old playing in a mens league, and we have Buchelnikov who has 3rd highest points in the KHL (is the youngest player in the top 11). Plus he drafted Seider/Raymoned, Kasper who is showing good things, Mazur, Lombardi. You a whole 🤡blaming Yzerman.
@@shmurdabobby3034 lmao, his drafting has been pretty solid, his UFA signings and trades have overall been next level bad. Also, promising as ASP and Buchelnikov look, I'm not getting too excited until they're doing it in the NHL. This fanbase(most fanbases in general I think) was over-hype their prospects. It's a fact that most NHL prospects do not hit their absolute ceiling.
Yzerman traded away the heart and soul of the team with Walman and Perron. Maybe even Fabs. Motte, Tarasenko, and Gustafsson have been horrible and/or non existent. If you subbed in the entire Griffins roster it's at least be fun to watch players who CARE. If they lose tonight against the Sharks, Lalonde must go.
The choice of Fester was terrible but this team is soft No heart No grit No guts No intensity When your team "leader" is nicknamed Cupcake that speaks volumes
Pistons are gunna make the playoffs before the wings. Yzerman and lalonde can both go. And actually Chris needs to sell the team cuz he is the biggest problem
The Ducks and Kings games were fuckin' brutal. Kasper stood out and had consistent shifts with high intensity.
Thats been my key takeaway from the west coast trip - Kasper is looking really good
Can we hire Datsyuk to train Buchelnikov? Like karate kid style minus the lower body injury
A one line, one pair team. Not defending Newsy but a new coach isn’t fixing the glaring roster issues.
Precisely. Badly built roster.
@@workshoptelescope Our cup window basically has none of these guys on the roster except the ones we want (Larkin,Ray,Mo). Hope this helps
@@shmurdabobby3034 Larkin is on the wrong side of several career-shortening injuries and is in the dead center of his prime. There is no first line center in the system to replace him, should he suffer another injury. He is not part of whatever imagined cup window you saw in your eye of orthanc.
Raymond is getting paid at what his ceiling projects to be. Everyone down the development chart from the three you listed do not project to be first line skaters.
The “window” is farther away than the end of Seider’s new contract.
@@workshoptelescope yikes just stop pretending to be a wings fan you ain't welcome 🤡
@@workshoptelescope yikes stop pretending to be a wings fan you ain't welcome
This season has been fukin brutal thus far
@@Jofano-w5p worst I’ve ever felt about the team. I truly think Lalonde is destroying players and making our team permanently worse.
*a couple episodes ago* “yeah we can’t rely on a rookie like Simon Edvinsson to carry the D-core”
*gets injured*
“Yeah we’re doomed”
Buddy is literally carrying the D-core with Mo
The d core without edvisson is atrocious. Seider is fine. But holy hell. Chiarot on the first line was like watch a Grampa trying to defend. And Holl had to play too. It’s like 3 people who can’t skate on the ice 2 in the top 4. Edvisson presence was missed severely. Also Lalonde should be fired and bring in Quenneville. His off ice issues don’t compare to his Stanley cups and win percentage
It's not just the results that hurt, it's the process. This team isn't even fun to watch when they win...
The system is atrocious and fruitless. Lalonde using this system shows he’s ONLY willing to play it safe. I guarantee his system is actually making the team worse.
Agreed, they just look lifeless. The NJ game was probably the only one where I had a lot of fun watching
We all know this team has issues all over the line up but I don't think I've ever wanted Blashill gone as badly as Lalonde.
People wanna forget but there was red flags on Lalonde since game one. Healthy scratching Zadina for Erne after he had a fantastic pre-season.
zadina and erne? you're talking about two guys who aren't even in the league 2 years later, it's inconsequential who he played in that situation.
@@nvsblty The point is Lalonde is an idiot who would rather play a fringe player with no real future with the team instead of a guy who might have real potential.
Well... Zadina deserved his shot but he's barely NHL player. He's doing well in a different league, maybe he will improve his game over there. Blashill wasnt that bad of a coach desite results. Babcock knew how bad we were going to be and bailed
@@MarkMeridiusDecimusno one wanted to play for Babcock and I’d have to guess is the reason datsyuk left early….
@dack400 datsyuk left for family
Clearly doesnt give a shit list:
Copp
Compher
Rasmussen
Chiarot
Petry
Holl
Gustafson
Its a huge issue that 4 of those guys are on defense. There is no way to fix this defense this season. None. Its Hagens time. Embrace it.
You forgot Veleno
@Disciple_of_Larkin71 Yeah.. he should be on that list too.
I believe the dmen give a shit...they just can't skate!
I feel so bad for Larkin and also for Kane. Kane seems like he regrets resigning. I loved him on the team last year but I cant blame him.
maybe kane should score some fucking goals then
@@shmurdabobby3034 absolutely 💯! Kane horrible in power plays
You do realize he tested the FA market before resigned right?
Love Larkin but he is the puck give away king..like to hear that statistic..know he scores,great on face offs but cmon. Giveaways have cost many goals
Looking forward to Jake Walman scoring the game winner against Detroit in San Jose. He better not do the griddy afterwards.
I agree but God would that be so fucking funny
No.. at this point we deserve the griddy. Yzerman deserves the griddy for making that trade in the first place. How we had to give away assets to move Jake Walman, let alone wanting to move Jake Walman to begin with, is beyond me.
@@edenisburning just because we deserve it doesn't mean my heart can bear to see it
@captbloodbeard After 8 years of watching every single PTSD inducing game of this rebuild.. after watching the draft lottery screw us and bump us back 2-3 spots every year.. I don't know that I even have a heart to break anymore. I'd just watch Wally bust that griddy all up in our face, and coldly accept it as poetic justice.
Who cares at this point? I can’t stand our entire team and especially our coach. I really dislike our entire roster at this point. We deserve to get griddied
Newsie should be canned
Should have been last season. You can tell NOBODY respects him or his opinion. The players do not respect Lalonde. His system is horrible.
Dump and chase is not a system that works. Not in this league. We can be much better
@ dump and chase with NO FORECHECK. It’s MIND BOGGLING LOL. That’s how dumb Lalonde is, dump and chase but the team is literally almost dead last for hits per game.
"Low Energy" Lalonde, that's what we like to call him.
@@RC-tm8jo he never shows frustration or passion. The fans shouldn’t care more than the coach. There are so many red flags.
ay first time listener- great pod. keep it up!
The interesting thing with the Lalonde/Yzerman discussion is what was your assessment before the season? I think many believed, independent of contract amounts, that the Tarasenko signing was a good one, and the Gustafsson signing was a step down from Ghost, but maybe lesser offense, better defense situation - maybe two steps back on offense but a step forward on defense. I don't think anyone predicted how pedestrian Tarasenko would be and poor Gustafsson would be. The same holds true for other signed players. So the question is, are the players bad or is the coaching staff just not using them well? I tend to give coaching staffs a long runway but to me this is more coaching than player acquisition. Also, several players have had bad first years with the team, so is that just normal player transitioning to a new team or is it coaches slowly learning how to play their guys over the year?
I felt before the season the Wings had a fair chance to make the playoffs, similar to last year's results or a bit lower. This current team isn't that. If the sentiment Kane expressed a week or two ago is any indication of the rest of the team, Lalande has or is close to losing the ear of his team and certainly there's disagreements on how to move forward in-house.
Lastly, I don't think Lalonde is "special" in any specific area so I'm not particularly uncomfortable in losing that, its just a feeling though.
The most sensible comment I’ve seen on TH-cam.
Sure could have used Jake Walman on our ice last couple of games where it's been EXTREMELY OBVIOUS that past Edvinsson - Seider, we have no quality dmens who are able to eat mins, most of our dmens behind our top pair would be a 7th dmen on pretty much every legit playoff contender, notice i'm saying only sayung PLAYOFF contender and not Cup contender, our dmens wouldn't even be a healthy scratch guy on a team like that.
I DON'T think the rebuild is a utter failure because of this though, we have some great dmens in our pool and I think someone like Sandin-Pelikka could make an instant impact next season and beyond, but that is next season, this is now. And in the now, it's a failure on both management and coaching staff, management who made that awful Walman trade with zero replacement (yes I know Edvinsson basically took his spot, but he was here last year aswell) and coaching staff for consistently missmanage the players to get the most out of them.
This is how i would shake this lineup moving forward, notice that 2nd right dmen there is actually NO decent option on, which again was the biggest hole in our lineup last season aswell. That is entirely on Yzerman since Lalonde have the players he have, but overall outside of the decision to move Walman ahead of Maatta BEFORE the season started, i think Yzerman done an ok job so far.
The best way to build a team is through the draft and so far all our 1st round picks since Stevie took over have been acceptable to great, Raymond first liner, Edvinsson & Seider both first pair dmens and Kasper looks like he could be a legit 2nd line center, jury is still out on Danielson, Sandin-Pelikka & Cossa but all looking promising to be quality NHL players atleast, which is what you need as a floor as first round picks, and ofcourse hope for elite/star quality to translate. Again, I don't think you have to panic and tear it all down again but I do feel Newsy - Yzerman relationship isnt really syncing so a coaching change would be a first step for sure... Ok, to my prefered lineup and thought behind:
1st line: Compher/Veleno - Larkin - Raymond
= Larks and Rayzor have always been best together, sure DeBrincat fits well there aswell but this team is not deep enough to have all the eggs in same basket and you have to make a decision how to get depth scoring going, the best use of Kane and Tarasenko for example that both have struggling A LOT this season. Compher or Veleno on the wing brings speed, forcheck, puck retrival and responsible two way game to enable Larkin and Raymond to focus on offense and hopefully open up #23 to SCORE goals aswell and not just look for passes which is what i see when he plays with two shoot first guys in Larks/Cat.
2nd Line: DeBrincat - Kasper - Kane
= we all know Kaner and Cat have chemistry and the biggest reason #88 resigned or even came here in first place was because of his best buddy #93. Kasper have earned that 2nd line center and is also a great move to have him play there to keep develop his offensive game in the future, in the now he is atleast a great 200 fot player with speed that will check hard and retrive pucks aswell cover up defensively for his offense first wingers.
3rd Line: Berggren - Compher/Veleno - Tarasenko
= If Berggren was better defensively i would have but him on the first line to power up Raymond aswell, since he is a great playmaker. But he have meshed well with Tarasenko and I think 3rd line is probably where you will get most value out of him and give Vladdy a proper set up man. The center would be fine with either Compher or Veleno, I would almost stretch it to Joe being a better fit here because they have a history of playing together in GR and that would give the first line a right handed shooter instead of Cat, JT who I also think has more offensive upside then Veleno.
4th line: Rasmussen - Copp - Fischer
= the "shutdown line", doesn't need much more to say here rather then it should have least mins on ice and throw in as a energy checking line to help set up other lines for offensive deployment/chanses. This is where Newsy or whoever leads the team need to make sure you don't over play to ruin the offensive rythm of the game, this is where, just as it is with Chiarot-Petry pair, I think been given to much icetime and need to balance out more properly as a more classic 4th grinder line to just throw in now and then, also save energy for the PK.
The dpairs is a mess frankly with no obvious solution, I doubt this team can afford having Edvinsson and Seider together and at the same time should def not have either or atleast both of Chiarot and Petry on top 4 mins. This is where, again, Jane Walman would have been very useful to have around. One of very few players in San Jose who is a plus (+4) player and logs almost 23 mins a night while being on pace for a 60p season! Noone can argue against that he would have been the better player to hang on to in the offseason over Maatta, or heck, even signing Gustafsson to begin with... But it is what it is, that one is up to Stevie Y to correct somehow now. All i know is that 2nd pair have been an absolute mess ever since Hronek was traded (which for the record was a good to even great move at the time! Just nobody even close to decent have been replaced).
I still think we can still turn this season around but clock is ticking and we basically played 1/4 of the season and something gattu change, like, NOW! #lgrw
Gerard Gallant needs to be our head coach.
Accountability lies with Yzerman. It’s starts with him to course correct by making a roster move, trade, etc. Lalonde has improved every season he’s coached, but he has some accountability as well with team preparation. If I’m doing anything I’m hiring new D/PK coach asap and see if that helps out at all.
You're not wasting time doing any of that if you plan on getting a top draft pick.
He’s an average at best GM. Was given infinite amounts of grace because he was captain 85 years ago….
@@Septembersmith9633but there’s not a meaningful chance the team is getting a top pick.
The team is so bad they’re not terrible enough to be in contention for number 1 overall. And this program can’t develop a quality prospect anyway.
@@workshoptelescopeI respectfully disagree. Now idk how much the boys here are exaggerating the forward talent of this year's draft but anything inside the top 10 picks is a solid bet usually and for all we know that could be the plan this year. Outside of Kasper getting a full dissection of his talents as a rookie for a full year; I'd say we've been pretty successful with Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson so far. I legit think last year and this year have been a litmus test experiment for Yzerman. He cleaned house when he was hired and I have a feeling he's gonna do something similar after this season. He's already started moving some of those stop gap players out. I think he's looking for something better than 15th in the draft imo(we are that bad); hence the lack of 'appropriate action' with staff. I'm not gonna be presumptuous of how he handles LaLondes future or the rest of the roster. Rough times suck, I get it. However, I don't think he doesn't not have a plan for the off season. He kept is hush with hiring LaLonde so I can't really judge until I see the off-season results and preseason decisions.
Yes, coach had his chance. Was pushing this better defensive play this season and it has not worked.
Time for another set of eyes and ideas to get this team back on track
Appears SY dug too deep getting rid of players from last year's roster.
Draft lottery is a great reality.
You can thank him later when the cap space is freed up after this season.
Nobody he's gotten rid of needed to stay around long term.
@@Septembersmith9633Yeah. He's done such a bang up job of using cap dollars wisely so far. He should honestly be locked up away from any forms of communication from July 1-15 every year, lwt some other G.M.'s make those brutal signings instead.
@@Septembersmith9633to sign who, exactly?
@@jessecoonce1363i didn't say all of his contracts have been successful, however Im not going after any high market free agents until I know I've got good picks in talent with Danielson or ASP at the very least. If I know I can win a team with Walman, Perron, Ghost, etc then I'm AOK with 1 crappy year to get a better pick because 15th is not a great spot. Hypothetically speaking: I crap out this year; my ready to go prospects get another chance at Calder cup success; I get another top 10 draft pick; cap space has gone up; bring over my 2-3 top euro players and maybe shop for that next level of compete coach. Petry, Kane, Husso and most of the bottom 6 will be off the books. Doesn't sound so bad for an end of the year plan.
Happy with drafting Trey Augustine in the second round a couple years ago. Gibson was able to be flipped for decent. Brady Cleveland was a real head scratcher. There were quality center prospects still on the board and we chose defense in an offense heavy draft there.
Mike Babcock , we’re not asking or getting consistent play from every one . Why ?😢😢
You guys kept saying last year that regression with this team is inevitable, but I didn’t want to believe it. So thanks for predicting my misery. You gentlemen are straight up the 3 Sisters of Fate
I wouldn’t mind Walman scoring. Why not lol He does the griddy after Yzerman traded him with two years left on his contract. Was a gustaffson signing necessary? Another 2 mill there Could’ve traded Maatta before trading away Walman. We all know Walman would’ve been great for the second pair or 3rd pair in my opinion. Walman has been dealing with injuries and maybe Steve didn’t want to pay a guy 3.4 for another three years. Now these are my assumptions, yet we’ll never know the real reason why Steve traded Walman with a 2nd round pick for future considerations.
I'm so tired of the "they don't have any talent" argument. No that's incorrect, their "talent" is snakebitten right now and not producing enough. You have Raymond, Larkin, ADB, Kane, Edvinsson, Seider, Lyon, Talbot, Tarasenko, Compher etc... These guys aren't scoring enough so you are seeing games slip because they are too conservative which is a coaches system that clearly doesn't work in a league where scoring is on the rise. Stop saying they don't have talent its false. If they didn't have talent they wouldn't have missed the playoffs last season by a game...
I think Walman and Perron were really important to team morale and they haven’t got anyone who can fill the void they left.
That is the job of the coach….. that is not a good excuse.
@@casewojo6186 How often does the coach make a hit, drop the gloves and stand up for teammates? How often does a coach push out 120% of his body for the team? How often does a coach fight off an injury to score a goal? CHARACTER COUNTS = in life as well as hockey.
@@NunyaBizness-z8f Lalonde wouldn’t do any of those things. The coach is the problem, plain and simple. The players are part of the problem too. They’re soft.
@@casewojo6186I’m not saying the coach is good. I’m saying he was there last year and it wasn’t this bad.
@ he’s not using the same system dude. He’s trying to force a roster to play a defensive/low event system. It’s clearly not working and he keeps trying it anyways. There’s no room for offensive creativity with this style of hockey. Dump and chase with NO FORECHECK is laughable.
Defense could have been improved by trading a very low pick for Dante Fabbro, Nashville let's him go over waivers for free. Opportunity missed. Signing holl for way too much and way too long is an issue. Letting ghostisbehere leave and signing Gustavsson seems ludicrous. Hindsight criticism for sure, but I disliked each move as they happen. Chiarot for that term seemed very weird as well.
Detroit didn't get a chance to claim him off waivers.
@@Septembersmith9633He's saying they could have traded for him for nearly nothing prior to that had they known he had fallen out of favor in Nashville.
yeah, not just signing bad players but signing them with term. thats what is holding the team back. these albatross contracts for negative value players you wouldnt even be able to pay someone to take from your roster
We don’t know the situation behind ghost. He could have seen how shit this d core was gonna look this year at the time, and figured “yeah I’m gonna go to Carolina and try to win a cup” lol dudes bounced around a bit before he came here and he’s not getting younger, so he could have just wanted a better situation for himself personally.
If Big Ed is out long term, I'm all for just an hour long cry session with you boys.
The defense is laughable
If you compare last year to this year. The team looks drained, no effort from any of them, all of them look like they’re just playing for a paycheck
In terms of points, goals for and goals against we're on pace for a season very similar to 2017-18. No one can convince me that this roster is as bad as when Justin Abdelkader played in the top 6 and a 37 year old Kronwall was our best defender. It's a coaching issue.
Our defense was miles better than this. Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser, Daley, Jensen, Ericsson. Name a defenseman after Seider and Edvinsson that's better than one of those guys.
Veleno has been an absolute void. Another horrific Yzerman deal. TERRIBLE pro scouting. Don't forget the two goalie trades that have been disasters as well. He has not been good here at all outside of the draft.
1:02:06 Expansion fees being shared seems like the thing you ask for as the PA to raise the ceiling of the total get in the CBA. You won't get it, but you want it to make it feel like you gave the owners something.
You guys are right on about the team play. They appear listless, despondent, and despondent. Maybe Lalonde needs to go, but the GM performance should be reviewed as well. They are getting older and slower, a recipe for failure inthe NHL.
Are we finally going to get the #1 overall pick? Cant believe im saying that, but you cant tell me that the Wings arent a bottom 5 team. Without Talbot, the Wings are hanging out in last place.
Gallant, Quenville, and a few others are the retread names on the coach available list.. a change could spark the team and provide a better form of entertainment. Talbot has been great, and that hides a lot of issues.
Imagine if he wasn’t great….. Lalonde should have been fired last season.
Great coaches strike psychological fear into their players, with players knowing that if it's clear they aren't giving 100% effort at all times, that their coach will lay into them. It's clear that no player fears Lalonde.
Neither Gallant nor Quenville should even be considered for the position.
Gallant has a known track record for poor development with young players.
Quenville shouldn’t even be in the league.
Systematically the organization is not aligned with its own values. How can a team be hard to play against if they play a conservative style? Stevie gets caught up in the details of the job doing day in and day out tasks without looking at the big picture. He fills the roster with the bottom of the barrel players. He hired the coach, he signs the contracts, he makes the trades, but it’s led to mediocrity, the worst place to be in professional sports. How many years into his tenure and he can’t ice a competitive team? How long of a rope are you gonna give a GM just because he’s a franchise legend. There’s no build to this rebuild. If it were anybody else fans would be calling for his head. A manager should be evaluated based on performance and nothing else. No more excuses for believing in the “Yzerplan.” It’s just made up jargon to gloss over reality. Drafting/development have been average, pro scouting is atrocious. Is there a real path forward here where the Red Wings have a legitimate chance at a Stanley cup? Sure it’s possible, but looks more like they are rebuilding to become the last decade’s Minnesota Wild. The team is losing because of Yzerman plain and simple. Observe with your eyes, not nostalgia.
Yzerman’s Tampa succeeded mostly because of Al Murray and their draft success. He’s not capable of building the whole thing from scratch
The main issue is that if this team is going to have so many inefficiencies why not just accept it and suck? Our future would be much brighter if we sucked the last few years instead of being a middle of the pack team. I mean we potentially missed out on Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli, Will Smith, Michkov, Cooley, Slafkovsky, Wright etc
Especially the bedard year missed out on potentially some massive game changers that actually could make this team legit. Now we are banking on one of Kasper or Danielson to somehow hit Larkin level, all while Larkin is clearly too old for this core and his contract will be bad when this team is supposed to be competitive.
Entire handling of this team has been atrocious
But how are we supposed to suck when Seider, Larkin and Raymond are playing great and carrying us? Trade them?
Kasper and Danielson won't be big point producers, but the hope is that those guys can turn into Cirelli/Eriksson EK/Danault type two-way beasts. It's valuable to have three centers who can all skate and are difficult to play against.
42:27 Please no.
EDIT: So, if my options are the guy who shielded a predator or the guy who got in trouble for being racist in the locker room, I guess I'd have to choose...letting Boston pick first and choosing the drunk. I know that's a crass way of putting it, but I'm trying to make a point.
The other thing that hurts badly about this: there's now a very real possibility that the Pistons (the bloody Pistons!) are going to be the team that brings the playoffs to Little Ceasars arena.
The Wings are going to be the last team from Detroit out of the era of suck where everyone was bottom of barrel to make it back to the playoffs. That is the brutal reality when at some point the Yzerman regime probably had the most confidence of the four front offices.
Who's to blame for the defensive play being "Hey guys just stay 3 feet away from whoever has the puck. Don't pressure. Don't deviate too far from your spot...just stay away a bit"?
Who's to blame for the dump and choke on forechecking?
Who's to blame for having only 1 defenseman who does anything (Mo) and almost no production out of anyone else? Also, Mo has been good, but he's not doing anything like Makar who scores goals. Fuck, does Mo even shoot?
Who's to blame for getting all players to give our goalies some F'in help?
Who's to blame for our players not having ANY urgency to get pucks and keep possession? I mean I really hate how often people are just not making the decision to go get the puck. It's sit back and wait.
4+1 box defense is atrocious this season how the boys are playing it. No one goes and gets the puck. I mean look at what San Jose did to us...SAN JOSE... Whoever had the puck, 1 shark player would immediately go after them and pressure. The other 3 maintained protecting the slot.
There are so many glaring issues with this team's play style.
Why is this not Yzerman's fault?
I don’t think Newsy is a head coach no matter what roster he has. Outside of first round drafting Stevie has a lot of poor decisions under his belt. One of them is hiring Newsy. Any neutral party is giving Stevie a poor grade on his overall performance.
I agree with Brad, no one steps up to fill the bigger shoes, they fall apart when there’s an injury. STEP UP everyone in the team is in the NHL and should be capable of at least being serviceable to a reasonable extent. This team is not fundamentally that different from last year. The D core wasn’t great last season and it’s not great this season.
I’m hoping they lose to San Jose, Lalonde needs to be gone. He has lost this team. There is no heart, no compete. I feel bad for Seider and Ed, They’re relying on Ed a basically a rookie to save this defense. It’s crazy how one straw like ed getting injured, broke are back. Just shows how bad this defense is constructed. Our bottom 6 minus berg & Kasper have been lifeless. Copp on the second line is laughable. Kane has been the worst 5-5 player this year. This team needs a HUGE change & if they have any playoff hopes they need to fire lalonde & make at least one trade for an actual defensemen. I’ll continue to watch because I love this team, but it hurts. Anyways #LGRW
Larkin looks broken man, Steve gave him a scarily bad roster. From cat missing nets, to the PK being horrendous, too Petry and chariot losing puck battles & getting walked, too Senko & Gus looking like bad adds. This team needs HELP! now more than ever.
@@ZachDETyour right. I watch his postgame interviews and he looks so defeated with this team. When he says all the time that he believes in the guys on this roster in such a low and tone it sounds far from believable from what he actually thinks. Yzerman probably promised Larkin and good team in the next 2 to 3 years to get him to stay. I bet he’s worried that he wasted his youth years playing for garbage rosters which isn’t fair to him.
Seider,debrinket,and raymond always give 1000%..my opinion
Several thoughts. 1. Jay Woodcroft=Detroit Jesus. 2. Dont forget about Jesse Kiiskinen! Idk how they would organize talent in GR accordingly but considering ASP and MBN are only playing 2nd and 3rd line minutes on a middle of the pack teams the same going for Finnie and Kiiskinen i want to see all of them moved to GR for better competition opportunity but idk if thats even plausible. Also Buchnelikov still has another year after this one on his KHL contract. 3. On a serious question with team morale and efforts on an all time low; how serious of a thought of a collective team effort mutiny against a coach is an actual thing at the NHL level as you guys discussed with the fck o meter running low? I dont think Yzerman over favors Lalonde or Tanguay because hes shown he can clean house if needed. I agree with you guys you dont make deals for short term success unless that must have coach is available then you sign him for longer term. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a top line replacement for Larkin drafted next draft. Imo you make the best of this season because you have to. But youth level graduations are needed. The only FA signings i wanna see are for better top Dmen or 1 big ticket forward. Let the youth fill the rest and gain experience tbh especially since this year has not been as successful.
I'm so happy Buffalo beat K.C!❤
Leos are number one! 🦁🏉🦁🏉🦁🏉
They lose to Sharks and I’d say that will just about do it for Lalonde. This game is season deciding really
Let’s go Sharks then
Surprised Lalonde is still there.
Nothing will help the Wings this season. Bring the entire Griffin team up. Send Lalonde and the entire current team down. Just to see the difference.
I want Joel Quenneville boys, time for a change. If the Wings at the 20 game mark are 7-11-2.sign Quenneville for sure.
Yzerman has ruined this team with his lousy off season acquisitions!
Tell me who you would've signed and prove they would've signed with less term?
@@Septembersmith9633Doesn't matter, the G.M.'s job is to make the team better, he's done a poor job to date. First 3 years were great, he's been terrible since and it's all on his brutal UFA signings. He'd have been better off staying truly bad instead of signing Copp and Chiarot to make the team "competitive".
This is looking a lot like the Bob Quinn & Matt Patricia era Lions. Here are the similarities:
Trying to build a team similar to the one they came from
Hiring a coach from the team they came from to be their first highest level head coaching job
The head coach that was hired has said some weird things to the media.
Questionable 2nd round picks (Brady Cleveland) (does the name Jahlani Tavai bring back memories for Lions fans?)
Trading/ letting go well liked players because they either didn’t fit the culture, spoke their mind, or didn’t want to deal with that player’s faults. Jake Walman, Jakub Vrana, Quandre Diggs, and Darius Slay come to mind.
There are some similar good things, just not many. Yzerman drafting Mo Seider, Lucas Raymond, and Simon Edvinsson. While Quinn drafted Taylor Decker and Frank Ragnow, remain as key to the O-line.
Bottom line, Steve Yzerman still has a chance to change course. But, he needs to put his smartest man in the room, cards close to the vest ego aside to be able to make the changes that need to be made.
lowkey wondering if Dan Campbell is a hockey coach too...
I believe there is a need for a coach that can create 'fire' in the players. Lalonde doesn't create enough 'fire' to toast a marshmallow.
We can suck forever and I'll stick around as a fan. If Quenneville gets hired, I'll stop watching Wings hockey. Dude doesn't deserve a place in hockey ever again, let alone a storied franchise like Detroit.
Folks don't want to hear this but the Wings need some freakin Luck!!! Somebody has to be what nobody thought they would be and be a Star for this team. Right now we don't have many Brimstone and fire guys who demand excellence and can back it up. Larkin is not that kind of player and Kane is past his prime. People want Lalonde to be the firestarter but not sure that is his personality. Patience and some Luck IMO are what we need most lol. What if our 2nd round Russian pick can come and be another Ovechkin. Wouldn't that be nice lol
Yzerman and "Bad Newsy" should both pack their bags.
The Kings loss is one thing, they were clearly the better team. But Anaheim was such a winnable game and they blew it.
What is up with Carter Mazur?
As dire as I want them to make playoffs this year. I honestly just want them to lose until they finally can lalonde and make some changes. Even if we win some games the end result will be the same. Might as well change it up then start winning
Fire Yzerman too
Give the C to Seider, dude is the heart and soul of this team. Larkin just needs to concentrate on playing and getting that weight off his shoulders. I think it’d do wonders for him. Also firing their coach and finally hiring Gallant.
The guy who got turnstyled by Kevin Fiala?
Gallant’s a known problem with developing players. If the prospects are half as good as Yzerfans say they are, Gerry is not the guy you want coaching them.
Lol, I have a receipt somewhere of screaming that we were one injury away from a destroyed defense roster when we got rid of Walman. Makes no sense still to this day. Regardless, I say play the kids at this point. Get a good top 5 prospect, and sell off.
This is a bad roster this year. It's on Yzerman as much as everyone, including myself, doesn't want to say or point fingers. The coach can only get so much here, and 4 of our six d-men can't hack NHL games day to day, but hey... we got a third for Maata... Gotta think about that long game... Maybe we need MOAR trade assets to finally land the coveted Trouba...
It's so bad...
You had me at "does not give a shit."
How much of this is on the teams Captain? When does pride kick in?
The Wings are and have been a very very soft team to play against,,So yes you are right Brad , this team has no F in balls !! No D as I have been saying since last year,, and the forwards minus a couple of players are way over rated,, Copp, Compher,, Tarrasenko,, Gustafson, Holl,, Peitry, just to mention a few,,,that's a lot of $$$ doing O !! I think Stevie needs to be held accountable for some of the wow's that are now clear !!!! Like I said,,start a new rebuild and stop just hanging in there,, a few HIGH draft picks would go further in the future than just picking 15,, and trade as many old farts as possible.for what ever picks you can get,,Can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh!t !!
Fire Yzerman
To many old over paid bad signings !! Coach is way over rated, Yzerman needs to start a rebuild on the rebuild..Very very SAD!! The best thing that could happen to the Wings would be to have a COUPLE of really BAD BAD reasons,,get some high draft picks,, The word on the street is 2026 has a super star # 1,, and trade as many vets as possible and get as many draft picks for the next couple of years...A NEW REBUILD starts yesterday, period....
If you had asked the "do we need a change" question a week, two weeks ago, I'd have said no. But now? Yeah... I think it's time to drag the guillotine out of the closet and start rollin' some heads, because we're spinning our wheels *on a good night* and skating through tar on a bad one. When Anaheim scored their second goal, and I saw how both teams played in that first shift after the goal, I knew we would lose. I just knew. Then when they said on the broadcast after the third goal that Chiarot was paired with Seider? Yeah, I knew a goal against was coming, and sure enough...
It's time for a change., if for no other reason than to wake the team up.
Given the current situation, it's time to: deal or waive Veleno, waive Motte or send down, call up Nate and Mazur. If the season is gonna be shit then bring up the youngsters and let them cut their teeth. Also Copp and Rasmussen need a kick in the ass and need to drop the gloves a few times. Let's F'n Go, Boys!!
Let’s tank for the third overall pick
Time to put call to coach Q
Weird.
Team’s build bad. I’ve been saying the prospects pool was wildly overrated, by writers and fans alike. “When the team’s competitive” is a troublingly malformed defense of the Yzerplan. Who will be the first line center for the team “when the team is competitive”? Larkin’s on the wrong side of manifold injuries and is presently in the dead middle of his career and prime, if he carries on the rest of it uninjured. This season is a referendum because the moves made the last two years attempted to make a playoff appearance.
DeBrincat gets a pass? Tanguay?
I was at the San Jose game. Fun watching Kasper & Edvinsson but this is a bad team. Turnovers, awful D except for Seider/Edvinsson & what looks like apathy. Need to button things up with a new voice.
I was really thinking the title of this pod would be a James Hagens prospect profile
Perron may have been more of the coach they needed.
need a new coach, second line center and top 4 defense , copp and tj are terrible and we only have 3 defense
I'd be surprised if we make a coaching change at this point of the season. This roster is a downgrade from last year, that is more on management than Newsy. Now, I WOULD like to see a trade for an actual top 4 D man, and at this point I am ready to give up some of that sweet sweet young talent to do so. However that being said, we don't have many players under good value contracts currently, and the next 2 season are unfortunately going to be more of the same...
Steve should tell the guys that we are tanking for 1 more year. Get a top 3 pick that is a center with TALENT as a primary attribute and not 200 foot bullshit priority because we have way too much of that in terms of free agents and prospects. Then we can get a a new 2C who can hopefully grow into a 1C when Larkin gets older. Why we signed Copp and compher to 5 YEARS is beyond me.
What fret over bringing up 3rd round defenseman? Bring over ASP from Sweden.
First LGRW
I was so disgusted watching the LA game and I shut it off after the second goal, I knew we didn't have a chance and I could stand to watch them not being able to move the puck out of their zone. Someone needs to take over this penalty kill, it is a complete failure.
has edvinsson become a defensive juggernaut, who would have guessed that on draft day.
He has not. He is fine but you’re significantly overselling it.
@@workshoptelescope i didnt sell anything
@@tallesttreeintheforest ah I see you’re new to colloquial uses of words.
@@workshoptelescope where is my question mark.
@ where was mine.
At least Buchelnikov has 26p in 27 KHL games.. on pace for 65 points
This team has two chances of making the PO. Slim and Nill and Slim just left town!
It's weird to see Brad wearing a hat and Ryan go hat-free.
If only we had talbot last year
It is pretty easy to see a lot of this is on Lalonde. I am DONE giving any more chances. His system is AWFUL, it’s not just going to all of the sudden start working. Why is there such a long leash with Lalonde? He has to go! His system is so archaic and fruitless.
I miss GotsToBeHere (that's what I like to call him) on the team.
They don't play like a team it's like watching a pick-up game
It's like they don't know what the other players are going to do and it doesn't look like anyone has any confidence each team has it's identity and that comes from coaching but all I see is players looking lost on the ice and so I believe there has to be a coaching change
Hire Gallant or Bruce that played for Leafs
drafting has been fine under Draper/Stevie, but the pro scouting department seems to be unbelievably bad. on their own, one or two of the bad signings/trades could be papered over but when its damn near every single decision? woooofffffff
Coaching change is needed IMO. Wings have too much talent to be under .500
They really do not. This is a terribly constructed roster, people need to look past the coach and focus on the G.M.
@@jessecoonce1363 oh ain't no way 😂go watch tennis bruh. we have ASP who has the most points as a defenseman in the SHL as a 19 year old playing in a mens league, and we have Buchelnikov who has 3rd highest points in the KHL (is the youngest player in the top 11). Plus he drafted Seider/Raymoned, Kasper who is showing good things, Mazur, Lombardi. You a whole 🤡blaming Yzerman. God people like you must be dumb a f
@@jessecoonce1363 oh ain't no way 😂go watch tennis bruh. we have ASP who has the most points as a defenseman in the SHL as a 19 year old playing in a mens league, and we have Buchelnikov who has 3rd highest points in the KHL (is the youngest player in the top 11). Plus he drafted Seider/Raymoned, Kasper who is showing good things, Mazur, Lombardi. You a whole 🤡blaming Yzerman.
@@shmurdabobby3034 lmao, his drafting has been pretty solid, his UFA signings and trades have overall been next level bad. Also, promising as ASP and Buchelnikov look, I'm not getting too excited until they're doing it in the NHL. This fanbase(most fanbases in general I think) was over-hype their prospects. It's a fact that most NHL prospects do not hit their absolute ceiling.
Wings need to bring back Tyler Wright
Yzerman traded away the heart and soul of the team with Walman and Perron. Maybe even Fabs. Motte, Tarasenko, and Gustafsson have been horrible and/or non existent. If you subbed in the entire Griffins roster it's at least be fun to watch players who CARE. If they lose tonight against the Sharks, Lalonde must go.
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The choice of Fester was terrible but this team is soft
No heart
No grit
No guts
No intensity
When your team "leader" is nicknamed Cupcake that speaks volumes
Should have never hired him. He's always been in over his head. Fire him please!
Pistons are gunna make the playoffs before the wings. Yzerman and lalonde can both go. And actually Chris needs to sell the team cuz he is the biggest problem