"I’m not a huge believer in having the chip breaker close to the edge " . I think you should do a video where you’re trying different positions of the chip breaker. Because when I set my chip breaker close to the edge of the blade I can go in any grain direction without any tear out. I know that you have a ton of experience and that you are a real master, but I just found that comment a bit chocking. I use Stanley type chip breakers , I don’t know if that makes any difference?
Tools. I bought a cheap no name smoothing plane with the ambition of restoring a solid kitchen table after serving our family of three kids for 20 years. I made a horrible mess with tearout and who knows what. I practically ruined it and left me wondering what to do. Since then I've followed a lot of your valuable advice and bought a recommended plane along with many other things and managed to make my table respectable again. I did try to sharpen by hand but sorry to say I had to succumb to a sharpening jig to make my blade look respectable. Again, thank you very much Rob for making these videos.
That has got to be one of the simplest, easy to understand explanations to reading wood grain direction. Heard it explained many ways, but nothing makes as much sense as the way you did it. Mind blown lol.
Nice explanation you are best teacher to teach these teach I regularly watch your videos for gaining knowledge about woodworking and handplanar if I am in your country I will definitely your students to learn about wood working techniques. Nice sir keep it up.
Hi Rob, I know this is an old video, but I gained a lot on plane prep for figured woods. Though when it came to the white oak, I let the video play while refreshing my drink as my opinion of oak (white or EEEE red) one of the best woods to overnight in a wood stove! I live in New Hampshire USA on a 3rd generation dairy farm surrounded by mostly red oak, Rock Maple, ash, beech, white birch, popular, (butternut and black walnut) but only if planted. My favorite combo is figured Maple with Black Walnut! I am purchasing some exotics to try, though species, sizes and quantities are very limited! Figured Maple is one of my favorite woods(especially tiger/curly, birds eye 2nd choice), thank you for showing how to hand plane those!
I'm just starting to plane wood to finish vs. sanding. It's almost like you've seen my struggles and made this for me. And I appreciate it. Another great video. Well done!
Great information. Rob does a great job. I still can’t stand how he pulls each shaving out after every stroke. I’m always looking to become more efficient and… yeah.
Understanding the Grain: 1:58 Planing with and against the grain: 4:48 Birdseye Maple Test: 6:08 Clario Walnut Test: 9:53 White Oak Test: 13:20 Purple Heart Test: 18:47
I know many woodworkers want to grow and learn, but eliminating problem boards has changed things for the better for me. It can be difficult to always try to have a perfect piece of wood but man, many of my problems have been solved by being very picky about wood choice .
Great video and very useful as I have often encountered difficult grain in the timbers available to me. With regards to the "65" are you talking about the frog angle or simply an increased bevel on your cutting iron? I have a plane with a dedicated increased frog angle but if altering the angle on a spare blade I will most likely sell the other plane. Many thank
@@RobCosmanWoodworking That was the missing link for me! Would have never though of that!. Could you likewise make a low angle plane out of a normal one, by reversing the blade?
Hi Rob, I'm just commenting to let you know that I was seeking out a music production tutorial regarding the sub genre Tearout. This video came up as a suggestion and I found it somewhat humorous. Bye bye.
Don’t have a question but just wanted to say I used my LN 5 1/2 plane to put the 24 inch long taper on the 30 inch long 4 legs of the writing desk I am making. Took forever, but it was so relaxing and satisfying to make table legs that look better than a table saw with tapering jig.
When you turned the oak board around, you could clearly see the wood completely change appearance on the first pass as the fibres got laid down. Great camera work 👍
Cool video, very informative. Question - a grain tear out on a guitar fretboard (rosewood) - is this something that can be sanded down to feel smooth? ATM some areas of the board feel course/ sand paper like.
This video is great! I am making a white oak bench and my planes are chewing up the wood very bad even after a good sharpening (tested on pine and cuts like butter) I will be sharpening my blades to 65°, Thank you Rob.
I would think that would make tear-out worse. By skewing the plane, you're effectively lowering the angle of attack and making it more likely to lift the fibres
John there are a bunch of folks who say if you position th echipbreaker a couple of thousnads of an inch from th eblade and grind th eface of the chipbreak up to 80 degrees that will help, I just have never been able to have any success with that method
I plane with the plane pointing straight down the board. Would it help with tearout to have the plane at an angle like you do as it travels down the board? Does that skew help reduce/prevent tearout.
Greetings Mr Cosman and thanks a lot for the new video. i would really like to see how you would approach planing some olive tree wood, i have managed to plane a variety of exotic woods but olive remains to this day the one most nasty lumber i have ever tried to get flat with hand tools ( also it responds well to helical spiral head power planers )
@@RobCosmanWoodworking you should visit Greece. We have loads of the stuff. It is literally one of the most common firewood after beech and pine! It is used a lot for tourist-y nick knacks. It is really something else to work with, it feels like butter and there no grain direction, its like endgrain everywhere. And the smell is heaven..
AT 72 years young, you will have to make that call. But there is nothing like the feel and look of a planed piece of wood. Sharp blade, thin cut and a waxed sole will help make the planing easy
Rob do you have a video on how to make a 65° blade setup? I would like to make one for my Stanley! Always enjoy your videos and your style of teaching! Always a lot of good tips to understand! Steven Columbus Michigan USA
No clue if this would work or not. I am a bowl turner. One of the nastiest bowl woods to turn is dry Koa. On bowls, 1/4 of the revolution is with the grain, 1/4 against, then repeat. To tame tear out in Koa or other woods that are being nasty, some times just dampening the surface with water can help 'lubricate' the fibers as you gently turn off the wet wood. Had some Koa that was years old from up in the rafters of a friend's shop. It took several dampenings to get rid of the tear out.
I might be a little confused. I thought you had to put a high angle frog in a bailey type plane (isn't that what you were using?) in order to get a higher angle setup for wood susceptible to tearout. In your video you changed irons to do this.. How is that done? Thanks.
Instead of going straight to the 65° setup to tame that piece of White Oak, I would have experimented with advancing the chip breaker closer to the edge. If you can get it to work, it saves the need to have several different blades.
I also think that a close chip breaker does wonder. However it is rare to find actual measurements of what close means. So for a smoothing plane (it doesn’t make real sense for grunt work), it is usually a small fraction of a millimeter,
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I think that might be because of the back bevel, I never put back bevels on my planes because of that, while I think it is a pain to flatten the back (at least the quarter to half inch or so before the cutting edge) I am convinced it is worth doing.
Hi Rob, I have had some issues with a bade and chip breaker I purchased for my #8 Stanley. while trying to flatten my Maple bench I have significant tear out . should I regrind to a 65 degree setup and give it a shot?
My first thought is did you glue up the maple for th etop with all th egrain oriented in the same direction or do you have reversing garin due to th eglue up?
Thanks for all the great content. My first plane was the WR 5 1/2 and it has been great to use. One wood I've had a hard time planing is shedua with the interlocking grain. Even my thinnest pass on the jointer left huge pits. I could only get a clean face with a toothed blade and a #80 scraper.
Doesn't matter what level of kit you've got, or your proficiency level. The deep and broad nature of the knowledge imparted here means that - if you understand and follow it - you will always be able to work at your best, relative to your means. If that's not an example of excellence in instruction, I don't know what is - and I've been going it for 31 years.
Hi Rob, I have had a difficult time planing hickory. If I remember correctly, even a freshly honed and burnished scraper still produces fuzzy spots on the surface. Thanks for your videos. I have been able to refine my techniques through them.
Do you think you can discuss how to know when it's time to resharpen, and anything to look out for? I'm new to sharpening at this level, and I was planing some maple today and it was beautiful! Then, after a bit, the shavings were shredding on the grain lines of the board edge. Is that a sharpening tell, or a clue to use more blade? Is it possible to accidentally sharpen to a fragile edge? Those kinds of hints would be great!
So telling when to sharpen is a fell you gain with experience. Before you get that experience the ways to tell are:1) plane gets harder to push, 2) instead of a nice shaving you are getting tears in the shavings or sawdust no shaving. Until you get a feel, sharpen more often. No you cannot sharpen too much or make the edge fragile. Watch my sharpening video
I have to ask is your purpose for planing wood for surface preparation or for removing stock. When I pick up a plane I'm wanted to reduce the stock size by a fractional amount much as you would with a scrub plane or to take the twist out of a board. Am I missing some here?
Bob, short answer is both. It depends on whatyou are trying to do? If working strickly hand tools then I do every operation, dimensioning with handplanes. However, on a daily basis I typically use planes for surface preparation and use my machines for removing large amounts of wood. There just is nothing to compare to a pamed wood surface.
As a woodworker new to hand tools, I’ve struggled with figured grain. I just don’t seem to get the results I’m hoping for. I actually bought your plane based on your videos.. I do have a question. What do you mean when you say high angle? Because it looks like you’re using the same plane.
It is nice to know that even if you prepped and sharpened the blade properly that sometimes the normally sharpened blade can’t get the job done, and you need to look at other methods, such as that high angle blade. I would have liked to see a piece of wood that you have had to use a scraper on. Is scraping something you would do after getting the thickness/flatness close to the desired dimensions? Thanks for everything you do Rob! Love the videos!
When sharpening, at what point do you resurface the primary bevel ? My secondary just keeps growing and growing and I’m not sure if there’s a rule of thumb of if/when I should grind the primary angle back down so it’s a fresh edge for secondary bevel..hopefully this made sense.
Hi Rob,Great video as usual. A couple months ago I was building some hickory cabinets for our kitchen. The hickory is flat sawn and has some really nice grain but it swirls and rises and dips all over the place so I was having a lot of tearout problems. You provided some really great suggestions at the time, including most of what you went over in this video. A lot of what I was experiencing was similar to the white oak in the video. The 20 deg back bevel solved quite a bit of it but there were still a few areas I just couldn’t get smooth on the panels and the frames no matter how often I sharpened and how tight the mouth was. I ended up having to use a card scraper to get those areas and then I sanded the whole thing with 220 grit to blend everything. If you ever get a chance to demonstrate the techniques on some hickory like that I’d love to see you apply your arsenal of tricks on it. I would really like to learn to defeat grain like that with a handplane because once the wood has a finish on it incident light reflecting off a handplaned surface is so much more beautiful and interesting than a sanded surface of the same wood. Thanks for all you and Jake and your team do. Since finding you on TH-cam I’ve learned a ton and acquired some really great tools from you. Someday after all this pandemic stuff is behind us I’d like to take one of your classes. Until then I’ll keep practicing what you teach us.
When you pull your plane back across the wood for the next stroke you can hear the scratching sound how does that benefit either the wood or the blade, I would think it would either scratch or compress the wood or round over the bottom of your plane blade.
One key element that Rob did not call out in this video is the use of Magic Wax next to the sharp blade this helps so much with hand planning. I swear by the stuff.
Yep, we named it "adjuSTAR". So much easier to use. Currently out of stock, released it a few weeks ago and sold out in 12 hours. more coming. robcosman.com
Hi Rob, and thanks for another great video. Do you have anything on sharpening blades to different angles? I noticed you have 45 and 65 in this video. I only sharpen mine to 30/25. Thank you.
Think you're misunderstanding the pitch of the blade with the grinding angle. The grindin/sharpening angle(usually 25/30° ish) does not affect the pitch as the blade is set upside down in standard planes, the pitch is always the same. What Rob does is a grind a miniscule 20°back bevel on the blade to alter the pitch, in this case,to a higher angle pitch of 65°. Not a huge fan of backbeveling good blades personally as, well I'm not quite sure but it was frowned upon back in the day and old habits die hard haha but there is no real reason not to have one I'm honest it's cheaper than a dedicated high angle plane so...
Thanks for the great contents Rob. Recently I am working with ash on a project, and I have trouble getting a smooth finish with hand plane. I found 220 grits sand paper yields a much smoother finish than planing. Is it due to the coarse grain nature of ash, or is there something wrong with my planing technique?
Its your planning technique. You should be able to get a very nice finish from the ash. Here is what to look at: 1) Blade sharpness. You need a really sharp blade. Look at your sharpeningtechnique 2) use a very small blade projection. These two techniques take care of 99% of all tear out, especially in North American native woods. let me know how it goes.
RobCosman.com thank you for confirming that. Now I know I shall expect a perfect smooth planning finish on ash, and keep improving my sharpening and planing techniques!
Thanks Rob for the high quality content as usual. Two questions: 1) I recently bought a WoodRiver No. 5 completely based on your recommendation and although I absolutely loved it, I noticed the sole isn't completely square with the sides. it was about 0.6 to 0.8 off of 90. Got it replaced with a No. 5 1/2 and this one came out at 0.4 off of 90. WoodRiver says this is within the manufacturing tolerance. At the moment I have to shim the shooting board with surface with masking tape to bring the sole up to 90 degrees with the sides, otherwise the blade has to be protruding so much in one side that it just doesn't look right. Do you have any suggestion on how to deal with situations like this? And 2) Where can I get one of those adjuster knobs you have on the plane in this video? Thanks again!
What I did on mine is I put it on my vertical sanding wheel while resting on the platform 90 degrees to the sanding wheel. In a couple of passes I brought it to 90. If you dont have one of those big sanding wheels you could try sanding on the side with sandpaper adhered to a flat surface. We sell the sdjuSTARS. they are in the plane section of my website
little confused on changing the angle on the blade from 45 to 65, i kinda thought you would have to change the frog bed angle with bevel down plane , does the change take place on the micro bevel?
Sam to the rescue again! You could change the frog to a different bed angle but WR doesnt make HA frogs. A much easier solution is to buy a second blade and on the back of the blade grind in and polish a 20 degree bevel
I was so please when I was finally able to plane curly maple. Very sharp blade with a right throat did the trick for me. However, no matter what I do, I can’t seem to plane quarter sawn sycamore... have tried tight throat, chip breaker right up close, lightest pass while still getting a shaving, and a higher plane angle. Am I missing something or is sycamore just too soft a wood?
Hey Rob, Thanks for this great instructional video. Is IBC back to making blades? I think I bought the last one in existence for a 5-1/2 at my local WoodCraft recently.
Hi. That is, to achieve an angle of 65 degrees, I simply grind the spare blade at an angle of 20 degrees, put it in the same way as in the plane low angle fax up. And how to fasten a chipbreaker? In a video with an angle of 65, you have a chipbreaker installed.
You briefly mentioned, but didn’t show (probably because you got it done with the plane) how a scraper might have fixed the tear out. Were you thinking about a simple flat scraper or something more involved, like a lie Nielsen scraper plane? Would a simple flat scraper and possibly changing direction in the middle of the board work?
Rob, I like to finish all show surfaces by planing, and when tear out occurs, I first try skewing the plane for a shearing action, and if this proves unsuccessful, I finish with a card scraper or scraper plane. Suprised you didn't mention these techniques.
But skewing to get that shearing action is a great technique. Actually i think i should add that to my process: 1) sharp blade 2) try skewing 3) smaller projection. Great tip
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Rob, actually I do more than skew the plane, I don't push the plane straight forward with it skewed, I also kind of sweep it at an angle. Not sure if that correctly describes the method, but I try to slice as much as possible, pushing forward & sweeping in an arc at the same time. It's pretty much a trial and error method, but I've found it very good for me. Thanks
I do not prefer a low angle, primarially because of its lighter weight and I find it not easy to adjust (reach the knob) while planing. So knowing my preference, i would not want to plane in difficult grain with a lighter plane, i want the heft
@@RobCosmanWoodworking yes I agree. You have a great video from late last year I think that compares them. I just thought it might further drive your point to see how much more difficult it would be to get these results with a light plane like a L.A.jack with or without this video was great. As always thanks for the awesome content. Can't wait for the next one
Does the speed of the travel of the plane make a difference? I like using an Aussie timber called Southern Silky Oak (Grevillea robusta) due to it's fine quilting and other usable qualities. That quilting can make it prone to tear-out. I was sharpening to 6000 but would end up with some tear-out now and then. I then bought a Shapton 16000. Using the same blade sharpened so as to provide an attack angle of 62 degrees I rarely get tear-out. Sharp wins! It's not a sales gimmick.
What do scrubs do that do not posses a power plane and need to plane before the surface finish and only get the cheap wood with grain going its own way.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I am Sorry. It seemed to me in the video that the slabs you used hat been pre-processed by a power plane to a flat surface with minor tear out by the machine. I once tried to scrub a stained kitchen table out of hardware store wood - and the plane dug right into the wood on occasion. The wood was laminated in like 2-4cm - ther was hardly a grain to follow -the plane hardly took any chips, but ritght in front of a wood eye it would dug right into the wood leaving nasty tear outs wholes. It will most probably be a stupid beginners fault paired with cheap tools - the good planes are just out of reach. I read somewhere if the blade is too thin the plane can start to stutter. I am sorry for the bad writing of my first post. I had the impression that the slabs were pre-processed and I need to make it work without and just stuck and clueless why and had hoped to find an answer in this video and it seemed like - if you have a 4.000$ thickness planer you take off the damaged surface and later smooth it of with very small junks. Again - should have done something different and comeback later with a more coherant train of thought.
Hello Rob I don't get why the close set cap iron isn't an option, since it's not exactly doing any terrible modifications to the plane. Have you issue with honing your cap iron to 50 degrees ? Good to know you can still have an open mouth with your IBC irons, I was thinking that they might have been too thick for it to work, and the plane choke up, so I'm quite confused why you choose not to utilize it? I'd never take the risk of not doing so, especially on camera! I gotta guess your dislike of the close set cap is just to demonstrate how well you can sharpen : ) All the best Tom
Not forgetting the old trick of wetting the surface of the wood slightly. Not a brilliant method, steel vs water being an issue, but it worked reasonably well when machine planing and thicknessing gnarly timbers.
Not really. My message was a sharp blade and short projection will solve almost all tear out issues. For the 1-3 percent of the time it doesnt work then your next step is high angle
Interesting that Rob wasn't a fan of placing the cap iron tight to the edge of the blade, as advocated by several other experts who claim this cures tear-out without the need for high angle blades. If the experts disagree, what hope is there for the rest of us?
To find grain... I find lightly running a microfiber cloth over the wood, it will grab against the grain and glide smoothly with the grain.
I will try it
That was the best explanation of reading wood grain I've heard.
Wow, thanks!
"I’m not a huge believer in having the chip breaker close to the edge " . I think you should do a video where you’re trying different positions of the chip breaker. Because when I set my chip breaker close to the edge of the blade I can go in any grain direction without any tear out. I know that you have a ton of experience and that you are a real master, but I just found that comment a bit chocking. I use Stanley type chip breakers , I don’t know if that makes any difference?
Tools. I bought a cheap no name smoothing plane with the ambition of restoring a solid kitchen table after serving our family of three kids for 20 years. I made a horrible mess with tearout and who knows what. I practically ruined it and left me wondering what to do.
Since then I've followed a lot of your valuable advice and bought a recommended plane along with many other things and managed to make my table respectable again.
I did try to sharpen by hand but sorry to say I had to succumb to a sharpening jig to make my blade look respectable.
Again, thank you very much Rob for making these videos.
That has got to be one of the simplest, easy to understand explanations to reading wood grain direction. Heard it explained many ways, but nothing makes as much sense as the way you did it.
Mind blown lol.
Thank you for your great videos.
I really regret not learning how to use the tools I had/have, some 30 years ago, until watching Mr Cosman, what a wonderful teacher.
Thank you.
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Thanks for watching. Tell me what other videos we should make
Nice explanation you are best teacher to teach these teach I regularly watch your videos for gaining knowledge about woodworking and handplanar if I am in your country I will definitely your students to learn about wood working techniques.
Nice sir keep it up.
Hi Rob, I know this is an old video, but I gained a lot on plane prep for figured woods. Though when it came to the white oak, I let the video play while refreshing my drink as my opinion of oak (white or EEEE red) one of the best woods to overnight in a wood stove! I live in New Hampshire USA on a 3rd generation dairy farm surrounded by mostly red oak, Rock Maple, ash, beech, white birch, popular, (butternut and black walnut) but only if planted. My favorite combo is figured Maple with Black Walnut! I am purchasing some exotics to try, though species, sizes and quantities are very limited!
Figured Maple is one of my favorite woods(especially tiger/curly, birds eye 2nd choice), thank you for showing how to hand plane those!
Thank you Rob and crew for this. I had questions, you had answers. 🙂
outstanding techniques, skill and patience. It really makes the results you get
I'm just starting to plane wood to finish vs. sanding. It's almost like you've seen my struggles and made this for me. And I appreciate it. Another great video. Well done!
That exactley why we did it. Our secret wood planing intelligence network said you would enjoy this video so we made it !!!!
Great information. Rob does a great job. I still can’t stand how he pulls each shaving out after every stroke. I’m always looking to become more efficient and… yeah.
Understanding the Grain: 1:58
Planing with and against the grain: 4:48
Birdseye Maple Test: 6:08
Clario Walnut Test: 9:53
White Oak Test: 13:20
Purple Heart Test: 18:47
I know many woodworkers want to grow and learn, but eliminating problem boards has changed things for the better for me. It can be difficult to always try to have a perfect piece of wood but man, many of my problems have been solved by being very picky about wood choice .
Great video and very useful as I have often encountered difficult grain in the timbers available to me. With regards to the "65" are you talking about the frog angle or simply an increased bevel on your cutting iron?
I have a plane with a dedicated increased frog angle but if altering the angle on a spare blade I will most likely sell the other plane. Many thank
I make a HA blade by putting a 20 degree backbevel on a standard plane ten 45 + 20 = 65
@@RobCosmanWoodworking That was the missing link for me! Would have never though of that!. Could you likewise make a low angle plane out of a normal one, by reversing the blade?
Thanks Rob! Loving your videos lately, thanks so much for everything you're doing for this community!
You keep watching and I will keep filming
Hi Rob,
I'm just commenting to let you know that I was seeking out a music production tutorial regarding the sub genre Tearout. This video came up as a suggestion and I found it somewhat humorous.
Bye bye.
Thanks
Don’t have a question but just wanted to say I used my LN 5 1/2 plane to put the 24 inch long taper on the 30 inch long 4 legs of the writing desk I am making. Took forever, but it was so relaxing and satisfying to make table legs that look better than a table saw with tapering jig.
Great demonstration Rob, thanks.
Thnaks for watching. What video should we do next?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I learn something every time I (re)watch one of your videos. I'll just stay tuned...
Thank you for sharing Rob. What did you mean 65° I missed that. You change the blade or did you change the frog?
When you turned the oak board around, you could clearly see the wood completely change appearance on the first pass as the fibres got laid down. Great camera work 👍
Cool video, very informative. Question - a grain tear out on a guitar fretboard (rosewood) - is this something that can be sanded down to feel smooth? ATM some areas of the board feel course/ sand paper like.
Great video, would love to see a test on cherry. Having a hard time with German grown cherry wood, when it changes the grain direction.
This video is great! I am making a white oak bench and my planes are chewing up the wood very bad even after a good sharpening (tested on pine and cuts like butter) I will be sharpening my blades to 65°, Thank you Rob.
Would it matter on the white oak if you angled the plane more to more of a skew?
I would think that would make tear-out worse. By skewing the plane, you're effectively lowering the angle of attack and making it more likely to lift the fibres
Sam nailed it, lowers attack angle.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I would not have thought that at all. Now I know for next time. Thank you for the question and the answers!
I wonder if adjusting the chip breaker would have helped. On a Japanese setup it would make all the difference. Thanks so much for these fun videos!!
John there are a bunch of folks who say if you position th echipbreaker a couple of thousnads of an inch from th eblade and grind th eface of the chipbreak up to 80 degrees that will help, I just have never been able to have any success with that method
I see your using the wood River planes. Do you like them? If so, what do you prefer about the wood River apposed to the other makers
I plane with the plane pointing straight down the board. Would it help with tearout to have the plane at an angle like you do as it travels down the board? Does that skew help reduce/prevent tearout.
Wher's my pencil... 😀
Magnificent work, thanks a lot master. This really helped me.
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I'd like to know what Rob did during the camera cut when he was starting to plain the walnut (the 2nd board).
Great details and very helpful once again - thanks, Rob.
Glad it was helpful
Greetings Mr Cosman and thanks a lot for the new video. i would really like to see how you would approach planing some olive tree wood, i have managed to plane a variety of exotic woods but olive remains to this day the one most nasty lumber i have ever tried to get flat with hand tools ( also it responds well to helical spiral head power planers )
You send me some olive wood and i will make a video of planing it
@@RobCosmanWoodworking you should visit Greece. We have loads of the stuff. It is literally one of the most common firewood after beech and pine! It is used a lot for tourist-y nick knacks. It is really something else to work with, it feels like butter and there no grain direction, its like endgrain everywhere. And the smell is heaven..
I agree with you with respect to the chip breaker setting. As 72 year old does it make sense for me too hand plane large glued up panels?
AT 72 years young, you will have to make that call. But there is nothing like the feel and look of a planed piece of wood. Sharp blade, thin cut and a waxed sole will help make the planing easy
Can you give me a basic idea of Wa closing the throat down does? Very narrow gap versus a larger gap.
Rob do you have a video on how to make a 65° blade setup? I would like to make one for my Stanley! Always enjoy your videos and your style of teaching! Always a lot of good tips to understand! Steven Columbus Michigan USA
hi rob would you prefer a no 5 or no 5 1/2 in terms of all rounder everything, but if you had smaller hands.
5 will suit a smaller person perfectly!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thks so much.
Thanks for sharing that
Hope it helped
No clue if this would work or not. I am a bowl turner. One of the nastiest bowl woods to turn is dry Koa. On bowls, 1/4 of the revolution is with the grain, 1/4 against, then repeat. To tame tear out in Koa or other woods that are being nasty, some times just dampening the surface with water can help 'lubricate' the fibers as you gently turn off the wet wood. Had some Koa that was years old from up in the rafters of a friend's shop. It took several dampenings to get rid of the tear out.
I might be a little confused. I thought you had to put a high angle frog in a bailey type plane (isn't that what you were using?) in order to get a higher angle setup for wood susceptible to tearout. In your video you changed irons to do this.. How is that done? Thanks.
I live in the UK. Where can I buy the wax stick you use on the bottom of your plane? If I can't get it here, what would you suggest as an alternative?
Instead of going straight to the 65° setup to tame that piece of White Oak, I would have experimented with advancing the chip breaker closer to the edge. If you can get it to work, it saves the need to have several different blades.
I also think that a close chip breaker does wonder. However it is rare to find actual measurements of what close means. So for a smoothing plane (it doesn’t make real sense for grunt work), it is usually a small fraction of a millimeter,
I have never been able to get the close up chipbreaker method to work.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I think that might be because of the back bevel, I never put back bevels on my planes because of that, while I think it is a pain to flatten the back (at least the quarter to half inch or so before the cutting edge) I am convinced it is worth doing.
Hi Rob, I have had some issues with a bade and chip breaker I purchased for my #8 Stanley. while trying to flatten my Maple bench I have significant tear out . should I regrind to a 65 degree setup and give it a shot?
My first thought is did you glue up the maple for th etop with all th egrain oriented in the same direction or do you have reversing garin due to th eglue up?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Yes I goofed on a couple of pieces. is there a way to recover
Thanks for all the great content. My first plane was the WR 5 1/2 and it has been great to use. One wood I've had a hard time planing is shedua with the interlocking grain. Even my thinnest pass on the jointer left huge pits. I could only get a clean face with a toothed blade and a #80 scraper.
I am not familar with that wood...I will look it up. Sounds nasty
What kind of lubricating stick wax Rob is using?
robcosman.com/collections/miscellaneous/products/rob-cosmans-plane-magic-wax
Hey Rob ive had trouble planing Sapele. Any suggestions?
Doesn't matter what level of kit you've got, or your proficiency level. The deep and broad nature of the knowledge imparted here means that - if you understand and follow it - you will always be able to work at your best, relative to your means. If that's not an example of excellence in instruction, I don't know what is - and I've been going it for 31 years.
wow, I am humbled. Thanks for watching and commenting
Thanks for the video, very interesting !!!
Glad you liked it!
What are your thoughts about machining troublesome wood close to finished thickness if you don't have a segmented head, any tips?
Hi Rob, I have had a difficult time planing hickory. If I remember correctly, even a freshly honed and burnished scraper still produces fuzzy spots on the surface. Thanks for your videos. I have been able to refine my techniques through them.
I think if you have a sharp blade and very low projection you can plane the hickery, but its a hard
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thanks, Rob! I will give it a try.
Do you have a video explaining the high angle blade? Also is there any difference in sharpening the high angle blade?
yes. th-cam.com/video/WKoFLz1nH9o/w-d-xo.html
Does WoodRiver offer different frog pitches (e.g. york, etc.)?
Did you simply change the frog to get a 65 degree or do you have a dedicated high angle plane?
Do you think you can discuss how to know when it's time to resharpen, and anything to look out for? I'm new to sharpening at this level, and I was planing some maple today and it was beautiful! Then, after a bit, the shavings were shredding on the grain lines of the board edge. Is that a sharpening tell, or a clue to use more blade? Is it possible to accidentally sharpen to a fragile edge? Those kinds of hints would be great!
So telling when to sharpen is a fell you gain with experience. Before you get that experience the ways to tell are:1) plane gets harder to push, 2) instead of a nice shaving you are getting tears in the shavings or sawdust no shaving. Until you get a feel, sharpen more often. No you cannot sharpen too much or make the edge fragile. Watch my sharpening video
I have to ask is your purpose for planing wood for surface preparation or for removing stock. When I pick up a plane I'm wanted to reduce the stock size by a fractional amount much as you would with a scrub plane or to take the twist out of a board. Am I missing some here?
Bob, short answer is both. It depends on whatyou are trying to do? If working strickly hand tools then I do every operation, dimensioning with handplanes. However, on a daily basis I typically use planes for surface preparation and use my machines for removing large amounts of wood. There just is nothing to compare to a pamed wood surface.
As a woodworker new to hand tools, I’ve struggled with figured grain. I just don’t seem to get the results I’m hoping for. I actually bought your plane based on your videos.. I do have a question. What do you mean when you say high angle? Because it looks like you’re using the same plane.
It is nice to know that even if you prepped and sharpened the blade properly that sometimes the normally sharpened blade can’t get the job done, and you need to look at other methods, such as that high angle blade. I would have liked to see a piece of wood that you have had to use a scraper on. Is scraping something you would do after getting the thickness/flatness close to the desired dimensions?
Thanks for everything you do Rob! Love the videos!
I would use a scraper is the HA blade did not work
that walnut is beautiful wood
When sharpening, at what point do you resurface the primary bevel ? My secondary just keeps growing and growing and I’m not sure if there’s a rule of thumb of if/when I should grind the primary angle back down so it’s a fresh edge for secondary bevel..hopefully this made sense.
Hi Rob,Great video as usual. A couple months ago I was building some hickory cabinets for our kitchen. The hickory is flat sawn and has some really nice grain but it swirls and rises and dips all over the place so I was having a lot of tearout problems. You provided some really great suggestions at the time, including most of what you went over in this video. A lot of what I was experiencing was similar to the white oak in the video. The 20 deg back bevel solved quite a bit of it but there were still a few areas I just couldn’t get smooth on the panels and the frames no matter how often I sharpened and how tight the mouth was. I ended up having to use a card scraper to get those areas and then I sanded the whole thing with 220 grit to blend everything. If you ever get a chance to demonstrate the techniques on some hickory like that I’d love to see you apply your arsenal of tricks on it. I would really like to learn to defeat grain like that with a handplane because once the wood has a finish on it incident light reflecting off a handplaned surface is so much more beautiful and interesting than a sanded surface of the same wood. Thanks for all you and Jake and your team do. Since finding you on TH-cam I’ve learned a ton and acquired some really great tools from you. Someday after all this pandemic stuff is behind us I’d like to take one of your classes. Until then I’ll keep practicing what you teach us.
Yea, I didnt have any hickory in the shop. We will be uploading our 2021 workshops on 1 Oct
For the high angle setup, did you just do a 10-15 degree bevel on the blade?
Yes I was wondering the same thing??
20 degree, used a jig
I am working with figure mahogany, to avoid tear out, i use a 25 to 30 grade, plus the 45 grade of the plane.
Great info and video. What type magnifiers do you use?
Optivisor....avalible everywhere
When you pull your plane back across the wood for the next stroke you can hear the scratching sound how does that benefit either the wood or the blade, I would think it would either scratch or compress the wood or round over the bottom of your plane blade.
One key element that Rob did not call out in this video is the use of Magic Wax next to the sharp blade this helps so much with hand planning. I swear by the stuff.
Frank. Yup you are so correct. Thanks for pointing that out
Did you change the depth adjuster knob on your plane?
Yep, we named it "adjuSTAR". So much easier to use. Currently out of stock, released it a few weeks ago and sold out in 12 hours. more coming. robcosman.com
Hi Rob, and thanks for another great video. Do you have anything on sharpening blades to different angles? I noticed you have 45 and 65 in this video. I only sharpen mine to 30/25. Thank you.
Think you're misunderstanding the pitch of the blade with the grinding angle.
The grindin/sharpening angle(usually 25/30° ish) does not affect the pitch as the blade is set upside down in standard planes, the pitch is always the same.
What Rob does is a grind a miniscule 20°back bevel on the blade to alter the pitch, in this case,to a higher angle pitch of 65°.
Not a huge fan of backbeveling good blades personally as, well I'm not quite sure but it was frowned upon back in the day and old habits die hard haha but there is no real reason not to have one I'm honest it's cheaper than a dedicated high angle plane so...
@@dlewis2446 Thanks for the explanation; I was a bit confused since this was a bevel-down plane, so I was wondering how he varied the angle(?)
D Lewis is all over it. Here is a video I did on how to make a high angle blade: th-cam.com/video/WKoFLz1nH9o/w-d-xo.html
Great tips Rob, I was hoping you would have some highly figured black walnut, this stuff is a nightmare.
Yes then you liked the Clario walnut wood I planed
Thanks for the great contents Rob. Recently I am working with ash on a project, and I have trouble getting a smooth finish with hand plane. I found 220 grits sand paper yields a much smoother finish than planing. Is it due to the coarse grain nature of ash, or is there something wrong with my planing technique?
Its your planning technique. You should be able to get a very nice finish from the ash. Here is what to look at: 1) Blade sharpness. You need a really sharp blade. Look at your sharpeningtechnique 2) use a very small blade projection. These two techniques take care of 99% of all tear out, especially in North American native woods. let me know how it goes.
RobCosman.com thank you for confirming that. Now I know I shall expect a perfect smooth planning finish on ash, and keep improving my sharpening and planing techniques!
Yes I had a similar problem with Ash. I wish this video had been available at that time. Live and learn. I ended up sanding.
What is the type of wax Rob using?
Can you do a video on hand planing edges on super long boards in order to get a super crisp glue seam? That would be fantastic!
Thanks Rob for the high quality content as usual. Two questions: 1) I recently bought a WoodRiver No. 5 completely based on your recommendation and although I absolutely loved it, I noticed the sole isn't completely square with the sides. it was about 0.6 to 0.8 off of 90. Got it replaced with a No. 5 1/2 and this one came out at 0.4 off of 90.
WoodRiver says this is within the manufacturing tolerance. At the moment I have to shim the shooting board with surface with masking tape to bring the sole up to 90 degrees with the sides, otherwise the blade has to be protruding so much in one side that it just doesn't look right. Do you have any suggestion on how to deal with situations like this?
And 2) Where can I get one of those adjuster knobs you have on the plane in this video? Thanks again!
What I did on mine is I put it on my vertical sanding wheel while resting on the platform 90 degrees to the sanding wheel. In a couple of passes I brought it to 90. If you dont have one of those big sanding wheels you could try sanding on the side with sandpaper adhered to a flat surface.
We sell the sdjuSTARS. they are in the plane section of my website
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Perfect, thanks a lot Rob! I will try that. Also the AdjuSTAR is sold out now, I hope you do another batch soon!
little confused on changing the angle on the blade from 45 to 65, i kinda thought you would have to change the frog bed angle with bevel down plane , does the change take place on the micro bevel?
He'll have put a back bevel of 20 degrees on that high angle blade to make the effective angle 65.
Sam to the rescue again! You could change the frog to a different bed angle but WR doesnt make HA frogs. A much easier solution is to buy a second blade and on the back of the blade grind in and polish a 20 degree bevel
@@clamage have had tear out and always used a scraper plane , this is much help, Thanks
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thank's found this a very helpful video as most of your videos, especially sharp inning videos , been a game changer for me.
You should try black locust. One of the worst woods to plane, that grows in North America. Especially the kiln dried version.
Where did you get Birdseye stock that size?
Try some desert ironwood.
Exotic Woods in Toronto
I was so please when I was finally able to plane curly maple. Very sharp blade with a right throat did the trick for me.
However, no matter what I do, I can’t seem to plane quarter sawn sycamore... have tried tight throat, chip breaker right up close, lightest pass while still getting a shaving, and a higher plane angle. Am I missing something or is sycamore just too soft a wood?
Sycamore can be difficult but its doable. Maybe you just had a difficult piece
Now that was a workout!!! No need to have the weight set in the shop, just do that everyday. 💪🏻 Very informative video as always.
Well COl luther designed it. He is truly amazing, a brilliant brian, just amazing
Don’t forget that he is a handsome man!!!
Hey Rob, Thanks for this great instructional video. Is IBC back to making blades? I think I bought the last one in existence for a 5-1/2 at my local WoodCraft recently.
I hope so . They have not sent us a shipment for 2 months., I dont know what the story is
Please try White Ash! I'm continually having a difficult time planing Ash without causing tear out. Thank you!
Ok i will see if i can work it into one of our videos
RobCosman.com Thank you!
Hi. That is, to achieve an angle of 65 degrees, I simply grind the spare blade at an angle of 20 degrees, put it in the same way as in the plane low angle fax up. And how to fasten a chipbreaker? In a video with an angle of 65, you have a chipbreaker installed.
You briefly mentioned, but didn’t show (probably because you got it done with the plane) how a scraper might have fixed the tear out. Were you thinking about a simple flat scraper or something more involved, like a lie Nielsen scraper plane? Would a simple flat scraper and possibly changing direction in the middle of the board work?
eitherwould work, but I was refering to a simple hand held scraper blade
Rob,
I like to finish all show surfaces by planing, and when tear out occurs, I first try skewing the plane for a shearing action, and if this proves unsuccessful, I finish with a card scraper or scraper plane. Suprised you didn't mention these techniques.
The topic was "Hand Planing", not scraping. Different procedure different video.
But skewing to get that shearing action is a great technique. Actually i think i should add that to my process: 1) sharp blade 2) try skewing 3) smaller projection. Great tip
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Rob, actually I do more than skew the plane, I don't push the plane straight forward with it skewed, I also kind of sweep it at an angle. Not sure if that correctly describes the method, but I try to slice as much as possible, pushing forward & sweeping in an arc at the same time. It's pretty much a trial and error method, but I've found it very good for me.
Thanks
A bit tangential, but looking at that piece of walnut there appears to be a lot of large pores. What would you use to fill those?
I would like to see how a low angle bench plane compares on those same pieces of wood
I do not prefer a low angle, primarially because of its lighter weight and I find it not easy to adjust (reach the knob) while planing. So knowing my preference, i would not want to plane in difficult grain with a lighter plane, i want the heft
@@RobCosmanWoodworking yes I agree. You have a great video from late last year I think that compares them. I just thought it might further drive your point to see how much more difficult it would be to get these results with a light plane like a L.A.jack with or without this video was great. As always thanks for the awesome content. Can't wait for the next one
Does the speed of the travel of the plane make a difference?
I like using an Aussie timber called Southern Silky Oak (Grevillea robusta) due to it's fine quilting and other usable qualities. That quilting can make it prone to tear-out. I was sharpening to 6000 but would end up with some tear-out now and then. I then bought a Shapton 16000. Using the same blade sharpened so as to provide an attack angle of 62 degrees I rarely get tear-out. Sharp wins! It's not a sales gimmick.
speed doesnt matter. Glad you have success with 16K
What do scrubs do that do not posses a power plane and need to plane before the surface finish and only get the cheap wood with grain going its own way.
Try again, Im not following your line of thought.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I am Sorry. It seemed to me in the video that the slabs you used hat been pre-processed by a power plane to a flat surface with minor tear out by the machine.
I once tried to scrub a stained kitchen table out of hardware store wood - and the plane dug right into the wood on occasion. The wood was laminated in like 2-4cm - ther was hardly a grain to follow -the plane hardly took any chips, but ritght in front of a wood eye it would dug right into the wood leaving nasty tear outs wholes. It will most probably be a stupid beginners fault paired with cheap tools - the good planes are just out of reach. I read somewhere if the blade is too thin the plane can start to stutter.
I am sorry for the bad writing of my first post. I had the impression that the slabs were pre-processed and I need to make it work without and just stuck and clueless why and had hoped to find an answer in this video and it seemed like - if you have a 4.000$ thickness planer you take off the damaged surface and later smooth it of with very small junks.
Again - should have done something different and comeback later with a more coherant train of thought.
There are 5 dislikes so I can only assume that the white oak, quilted maple, bird's eye, claro and purple heart boards all have internet access
I never thought of that, maybe you are right
Hello Rob
I don't get why the close set cap iron isn't an option, since it's not exactly doing any terrible modifications to the plane.
Have you issue with honing your cap iron to 50 degrees ?
Good to know you can still have an open mouth with your IBC irons, I was thinking that they might have been too thick for it to work, and the plane choke up, so I'm quite confused why you choose not to utilize it?
I'd never take the risk of not doing so, especially on camera!
I gotta guess your dislike of the close set cap is just to demonstrate how well you can sharpen : )
All the best
Tom
I just habve never been able to achieve satisfactory results with that methiod!! maybe I am doing something wrong?
Who makes wooden tool boxes?
Not forgetting the old trick of wetting the surface of the wood slightly. Not a brilliant method, steel vs water being an issue, but it worked reasonably well when machine planing and thicknessing gnarly timbers.
What I'm hearing you say here Rob is that I need to buy a high angle smoothing plane in addition to my standard angle smoother.
Not really. My message was a sharp blade and short projection will solve almost all tear out issues. For the 1-3 percent of the time it doesnt work then your next step is high angle
@@RobCosmanWoodworkingI need to buy a high angle smoothing plane... got it :)
@@Exodus5K Just the blade, not the whole plane.
Maybe something is missing: I found iroko to be a bad ass to plane, always dealing with curly grain and never got rid of tear out...
so try the steps, sharp blade, thin cut, tight mouth. If that doesnt do it go with High angle blade. let me know how it comes out
so try the steps, sharp blade, thin cut, tight mouth. If that doesnt do it go with High angle blade. let me know how it comes out
I found that I had small tear outs with African Mahogany but they tore out a lot. It seemed easier to plane it sideways.
sorry, i know this question is kind of hard to answer but i really need a master's opinion on thing like this because it is kind of hard to choose.
Looks like you found the only straight grained piece of purple heart on the planet!! Stuff is a nightmare to work with lol
I know can you beleave that. Purple Heart always tears out
You should try japanese planes
What I learned here was that the most effective way to avoid tearout is to sharpen like Cosman. I can't sing like Pavarotti either.
Use the same gear I use and the “how-to” becomes a paint-by-number!
The purpleheart sounds so unsatisfying being planed compared to the oak.
Interesting that Rob wasn't a fan of placing the cap iron tight to the edge of the blade, as advocated by several other experts who claim this cures tear-out without the need for high angle blades. If the experts disagree, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Bevel up?