The TRUTH behind Obnoxious Tennis Grunting
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AGHH! WEAHH! BWEHH! If you're a tennis fan, you've certainly heard some... "interesting" sounds coming from the sport's biggest stars. Though tennis used to be considered the "silent sport", you'd be hard pressed to find many top players today who don't let out some variation of a grunt while hitting the tennis ball, leaving many spectators to wonder... Is all that REALLY necessary? Today, we're investigating why excessive grunting has become so widespread in professional tennis, and what top sporting officials are doing to crack down on the trend.
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I'm pretty sure I can hear my sister and her boyfriend practising tennis late into the night, with the amount of loud grunting I hear from her bedroom.
indoor playing tennis?
must be playing on video game consoles
Creepy dude, get therapy
@@k.e.1760 bruh it’s a joke
I guess the boyfriend also practises being the ballboy
Plus they'll always be a good fit for each other because it ends with "Game Set Match"
mario power tennis?
For those who aren't aware, the decibel scale is logarithmic. 100 dB is significantly louder than 90.
3dB is 2 times louder
Wouldn’t it be exponential, not logarithmic?
@@zachbarry1992 a logarithmic scale is based on 10^x, not log x as one would first think
It's ten times more energy every 20dB, but ten times more energy doesn't mean ten times louder to human ears.
@@god-son-love same for sun's energy and its brightness
Freedom to grunt.
Freedom to be silent.
No freedom to intentionally distract an opponent.
Well it’s why I can’t stand tennis. Grunt away!
Yeah it's pretty stupid. You have other sports, american football, soccer, basketball, hockey, baseball that athletes actually have to perform with a stadium of loud obnoxious spectators, other players taking shit, and even the crowd talking shit trying to distract them. Tennis players are just dainty snowflakes that cant deal with that though, and not just tennis players there are many other sports that are the same. It reminds me of children playing video games and telling their friends to be new quiet because they are going to mess them up in the game.
The real issue is the late and intentional grunt. The intentional is harder to notice, but it was clear that nadal intensified his grunt to show the opponent that hes getting into a groove and wont stop fighting.
The late grunt is inacceptable i think. Alcaraz does this a lot, where he hits the shot and then exhales so late that it goes into the preparation phase of the opponents shot. That should be forbidden, especially if you dont do it regularly.
Some players combine both and its obvious, but not easy to track by an umpire.
It doesnt hurt though to simply make it part of the rules and apply them whenever its obvious. 🤷🏻♂️👍
Tennis is an elite sport of character and self-improvement that all of us player want to keep fair, too! 🙏
Actually, the really terrible thing about grunting is not just the noise but the implied force of hitting the ball. Players like Seles were masters at grunting loudly while hitting the ball softly and all shades in between. It was this trait that really used to piss me off as a spectator as the grunts were clearly used for distraction.
There are even players at ATP who grunt when slicing the balls. The problem is, if ATP/WTA is going to change anything in ruling we probably see a totally different top 100 of players then as most, if not all, players today grunt in some way or the other. I think this is similar to modern ski jumping. Where they first deducted points when the first jumpers used a V-form to gain more updrag and that way fly way farther, the deduction at one point couldn't outperform the length-reward athletes gained and as such on the long run everybody changed to a V-style and FIS then changed their scoring scheme to not deduct on that further. As there are to many players now grunting today the likelihood that ATP/WTA will change anything in terms of prevent players from grunting excessively are almost non-existing. They are probably more likely to distribute ear-buds to the audience before they change anything in regards to their ruling IMO.
Oh no, mindgames! Those definitely have no place in a sporting competition.
I am 90% sure that you probably have more important things to worry about in a tennis match than analyzing your opponents grunt strength to determine the speed of the incoming ball.
@@thechugg4372 Obviously you do not play tennis so wtf r u doing here.
@@TheRealMycanthrope Exactly! Mindgames are always good and welcome, that's why everybody loves it when soccer players fake injuries! oh wait
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The new delayed grunt some young players do is unacceptable though. They’re basically screaming their lungs off right as the opponent is supposed to hit the ball
It's called interference and there actually is a rule against it.
@@macans5010 not a rule that’s used. Many young players do it week in and week out
@@macans5010 it’s actually called hindrance and not used in these cases unless blatant.
@@Jon-dn5ng So basically it almost never gets called and 90% of dickheads get to scream at the opponent for free
There has to be a rule against interference, when I am playing squash with friends I sometimes imitate these noises on purpose for a few points just to see how easy it is to put someone off with these noises (it's very easy).
The occasional grunt when hitting a hard ball is totally fine but repeatedy hearing the same tone grunt (regardless of the loudness) just annoys the heck out of me.
It’s pure gamesmanship. Navratilova has said hearing the noise your opponent’s racquet makes on hitting the ball tells you a lot about how cleanly they have hit it and what kind of return you can anticipate. The screaming and shrieking effectively masks this which is unsportsmanlike at best blatant cheating at worst.
Sounds like coping. Grunts are part of many other sports were no direct confrontation between competitors exist.
@@gab_gallard doesn’t alter the fact that it masks the sound of the ball hitting the strings so it’s gamesmanship. Until the 90s tennis was ‘grunt, scream, yell, bellow, free’
Difficult because some form of grunting is definitely normal when you put in a lot of power. And the modern game is much more about physicality than before so it's logical grunting increased. You can't do weight lifting without grunting either.
But there is definitely a point to be made that some of the grunting is excessive. Putting a DB limit seems reasonable.
In the same token taking extremely long for the serve like Djokovic for example is also gamesmanship I believe. Takes away focus for the opponent as it's very hard to be ready for such a long time. Shot clocks need to be faster and monitored more strictly.
@@markvanderwerf8592Yes some level of grunting is to be expected… but what they’re doing now is just excesive hollering for the sake of it. Weightlifters don’t belt out extended 110+db(that’s the noise level a police siren makes for comparison) arias like some players do nowadays.
@@gab_gallard i don't hear footballers, basketballers, cricketers, or track athletes screaming during an exhale. it's gamesmanship, pure and simple. The women are the biggest offenders, cos wimmin be wimmin
I really think it's just a matter of degree. The Sharapovas and Azarenkas of the world drive me nuts when they play, but lower pitch/volume, shorter grunts that sound normal for accompanying an intense muscular effort have never bothered me at all.
I totally agree. Azarenka crunt was loud snd long. Should be short and softer, lke breathing.
I really think that's what everyone thinks.
Sabalenka is right up there with some of the loudest WTA players also. Halep is not much better with the multiple-syllable grunt that sounds like "I'm hungry" in Chinese! Lol.
Yeah, loudly grunting sometimes on efforts with particularly high exertion is very different from a loud scream accompanying every time the ball is hit.
Occasional, yes. Muted, yes. But howling on every point, even on soft drop shots or carefully struck lobs, is too much. Sharapova’s delayed screech must have unsettled some players, perhaps too overawed by her big reputation or by possible reactions from fans or journalists to complain about it. So also Sabalenka, Halep, Azarenka, some others
This guy could literally talk about paint drying and it would still be interesting
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10 minutes of 100% my attention. Then I realized it was 10 minutes about grunting. This guy can entertain.
Next video: talks about how the lines are painted
That is a summoning salt comment I’ve seen before. Something similar. And it’s true
As someone who plays tennis, ive only ever grunted when i was tired. It helped me stay focused and not give up plus i felt like i was exerting more power when i was swinging
When I saw Serena Williams.....I thought it was cool. :)
You were exerting more power. The rapid contraction of your muscles helps increase the power of your swing. Ever heard about how a punch starts from the legs? Watch a boxer; when they are ready to make heavy blow, you can see their feet move first. They stabilize their feet and use the quads to launch forward, tense their abs, rotate their torso, clench ther upper torso muscles (I forget the proper name, apologies) and THEN they use their biceps. A deep and forceful exhalation helps tense your abs and upper torso, making the movement sharper. Of course, there's a difference between a grunt hitting 90db and a scream at 100db; quick google serch shows that every 3db you double the sonic energy so a 100db sound is more than eight times louder than a 90db.
@@lyravain6304which muscles specifically? The muscles in the diaphragm and or larynx? Honestly, how does that make you swing harder? Why dont golfers do this???
@@vincentkingsdale8334 Diaphragm. It's the exhalation, not the shout. As for golfers; no clue why they don't, I'm not a golfer. If I were to guess, I'd say that the movement's axis isn't the same. This kind of exhalation favors sideways movement or top-to-bottom. Or it could be that the drive has the length and mass needed to hit the appropriate range without needing even more; don't forget, when a tennis player hits a ball with the racket, that ball is also hitting them, which means they need a LOT more power than just what's needed to cover the distance.
Grunting has definitely diminished in todays game so there is clearly an effort to bring the noise down and I think that is improving popularity for fans. I just watched an excellent US Open women's final where both the young ladies involved were not shrieking or screaming.
I think Grunting is not the issue but screaming like a Tarzan is and some players; exclusively female players are exploiting the "grunt" acceptance to an insane level. I have seen Sabalenka, Azarekna and Sharapova screaming like WW1 emergency siren waaay after hitting the ball and right before the opponent is about to return. There is no way a player needs to scream like that before (and till) his/her opponent is about to return. It just dismisses the logic of grunting. These players can also be found screaming the batshit out of their throat even while doing a drop shot or a slice. No amount of logic will make it legit.
Right. It makes sense that grunting helps, but over a certain volume once you get to screaming I feel like there must be diminishing returns. At a certain point you're not gaining any more advantage but you are annoying the fans lol.
Yes no need for screaming. Grunts part of all sports.
Grunting used in martial arts too to focus and use more muscles💌💪
Same, and SW does it too when she's in a vulnerable position in points
not the WW1 emergency 🤣🤣🤣
There's grunting at the point of exhaling when hitting the ball, and then there's deliberate noise making just before the opponent is about to hit the ball. That's cheating and there are a number of ATP players who cheat. Must be banned.
Sonego...
@@Marc-vk7rl sonego's grunting is blatant hindrance idk why its still legal wtf. He grunts when the ball is already over the net, not relates to any abdominal contraction lol
@@JesusChrist-qi8yo Amen
@@JesusChrist-qi8yo Also Lucia Bronzetti
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It is used as a distraction tool too. Remember when Sharapova was scolded for grunting fraction of a second after hitting the ball? Well, I played a match like that and nothing distracted me more than this.
Having played abit myself, I can definitely vouch for the fact that the mild can definitely increase your performance but the excessive grunting is nothing but a distraction tactic
exactly, I only grunt when it's those really difficult balls that really push your body to the limit or when I want to hit a ball as hard as I can, but screaming is juts ridiculous
As a tennis coach (I am 50 now) I have lived through this phenomena, clearly its designed to hide the sound of the ball off the racquet, which gives you a large amount of information about what the ball is doing... like velocity and spin. In my opinion its a cheat.
Exactly. The sound of the ball off the racket is a big part for anticipation, and timing.
Yeah, but you should be able to figure these things out when you are playing them
@@fatboi1283 do you play tennis, all we are saying if you don't grunt but your opposition does your at a disadvantage.
I'd never thought about that, although it makes sense. I can see how today's top players need to process the sound off their opponent's racquet to prepare and respond, but at my level it's less important. Thankfully I'm older and my generation didn't grunt (and still doesn't for the most part.)
@@gretchenlittle6817 same same
i still remember the days when i used to watch sharapova games at silent mode on my tv so that my parents in other room do not get disturbed.
You watching porn? No mom, women's tennis.
@@vinyllpreviews9462 Parents: "Can you just switch over to porn. It will be over in 30 minutes. The tennis match can go on for hours"
I was in a sport that required a LOT of quick, explosive reaction. Both myself and others were not there screaming like an ali-express opera signer during tournaments. When we got around to playing tennis (as we did for physical training) we'd typically play against the local tennis club the difference was staggering, they were over the other side screaming like they had been shot while we're on the other side with very minimal noise. I then went and played a couple years at their club (I was 16 at the time) and I was told off many times for being 'too quiet' and that "I'm telling you its so I can hear how you control your breath" but then in my 2nd year I was told "Yeah nah, its a lie really. We want to throw off the opposition." When it came to playing games I would listen to scream-o 'metal' and just blurred out the death sounds from the other side and not make them myself, at the level I played it was 100% for the scummy tactic for distraction and nothing else.
I was never taught to grunt but I started doing it *quietly* after I was playing longer matches because I began to get out of breath and needed the extra power to keep up. It was definitely way less than screaming but sometimes my teammate could hear me that's about it
you should have also mentioned lorenzo sonego's grunts here. he literally makes sex noises on court and grunts almost when the ball has reached other side of court.
Exactly…
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I can't believe Sonego's never been called for hindrance. Often enough his grunt starts right as the ball is about to land... and yet somehow he seems to be popular with the other players. I mean, I'm no pro, but I know that I'd be distracted if someone was doing that against me.
haha true
Indeed, his is the worst. He also grunts AFTER he hit the shot and it is way past the net already
I think Gustavo Kuerten’s grunt was the only that actually sounded like a breath exhaling technique
Funny how when he talked about the relation between exhaling and grunting I also instantly remembered of Guga.
Roddick?
@@davidambrozic2329 Agassi too had it right.
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@@123suddenattack Nice one, he's like blowing hard when hit the ball
What I can’t understand, is that the umpire asks for SILENCE before the serve. Then they GRUNT on the serve. It seems that this favours the server. Why doesn’t the receiver get SILENCE. Or can the receiver GRUNT when the server is serving?
as annoying as it is i will never forget when me and my friend decieded to grunt as loud as we could for a game and played of the best tennis of that night. however even forcing ourselves we were never even close to what some of the current players do
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@@CULTTENNIS When I listen to the news and it’s all about wars started by men, or the environment that’s being destroyed by the inventions of man, or the random acts of violence every day in the home or the street - caused by men, I can’t really get too worked up by a few grunts on the tennis court by women. Men always like to point the finger. Perhaps look at your own male grunters for a start. Then after that why don’t you get together and work out what you’re going to do about all the crap that’s happening in the world that’s caused by men.
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After first insisting that the Umpire made sure all spectators were perfectly silent before serving, I considered the consistent bombardment of loud yelling as a form of "Noise-Attack" on the opponent designed to throw them off their game.
Let’s be real, when you exhale is so loud and lasts long enough for the ball to be returned before you’re done. It’s excessive lol
There is a grunt and a scream, the two are not the same.
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BWEH still the only grunt I'm not annoyed of.
For me it's Rublev's BWEEH and Nadal's iconic HNNNGHHH
I totally agree. This and Sharapova for me are the only annoying ones.
That’s un-BWEH-lievable.
@@johnman9386 I cannot stand watching sharapova because of her grunt
@@Matheus-ki9zo Nah, Nadal's grunt is actually obnoxious af. But people look past it because he is one of the greatest and a nice guy. But in truth its unbearable at times.
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It’s a shame this practice has become so pervasive throughout tennis. It really makes the offenders’ matches far less enjoyable to watch. (Not to mention the distraction it causes for their opponent) I almost feel compelled to watch on mute if a match involves a player doing this particularly egregiously.
This is one of the (many) reasons I always enjoyed Federer matches so much and miss him not playing on the tour right now. He played almost entirely silent and also quickly in between points, so you could just sit back and enjoy the beautiful and amazing tennis on display. No long pauses and disruptive noises to diminish the experience. Of course…Nadal supplied enough of those for the both of them when they faced off! ;)
I don't watch grunters at all, it's right up there with open mouth chewing for me. Federer was a great example of, you actually dont NEED grunts to play at the highest levels on earth. Maybe courtside sound cancelling tech will become a thing 😅
Roger used grunt too... When under pressure
I trained at IMG academy for 5 years and graduated last year and they never told us to specifically grunt, yell, be obnoxious or scream, but I was taught and told to exhale on every hit and not to be shy of being loud. Many others are also very loud and competitive there so that could be why too. I think I had a coach tell me once or twice that he needs to hear my exhales so he knows I am breathing properly too tho
That is very different than, grunting as loud as you possibly can and continuing to make noise well after you’ve hit the ball. A lot of today’s pros need to be gagged LOL
Those justifications don't line up with it. Nothing about that lines up with the *absurd* and prolonged screeches that have become more common. It's clearly outside of what sounds people normally make.
You should only mostly reach 109 decibels because of something like a kidney stone, not a supposed *"completely natural"* exertion sound.
So have these idiots not considered being coaches in MLB? What is their explanation for why immense force is never used in hockey? I am not a fan because hockey players never yell when they slap the puck, and thus it just coasts along at 14 mph or so. Too bad no pseudo scientist from tennis has ever heard of any other sport, just think of the expansions of force they could unleash in MLB, the NFL, or the NHL.
I've always equated tennis grunting to a Kiai in Karate. What you're describing as the exhale on every hit is what's usually taught in dojos everywhere. It's supposed to develop your fighting spirit, psyching yourself up as you hit your target. As an old sensei of mine says; if you don't believe in your punch, or your kick; you're the one who gets hurt when you strike. So just like in tennis, if you don't believe in that stroke, mishits, and unforced errors.
@@Doublebarreledsimian But like tennis grunting, there is of course a range/silent agreement to stay in line usually as well. It's not like every bout involving fighting styles that have kiais are shouting matches.
It's not normal in that to violently throttle your vocal chords for upto entire seconds after a punch/kick. Imagine if it became common for karate practitioners to fill the room with "KIIAI-YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!" for every move they made in a bout lol.
Vocally enunciating your effort is one thing, prolonged screeching every time you do something is distracting and emberassing.
I’ve noticed that most portayals of tennis on tv shows are doubles, yet singles is actually much more popular in real life
Edit: thanks for telling me in the replies, I have rarely ever played doubles
that's because the actors aren't good enough athletes to even attempt singles at any level. Doubles is extremely athletic too, but the camera can give the illusion because the actors can stay in place
Singles is much more popular among couch potatoes. If you watch tennis, you mostly watch singles. If you play tennis, however, it's usually doubles. Singles is too physically demanding or points are two shots long at best.
Probably because doubles puts more characters directly in the scene, giving the writers more to work with.
@@rafarequeni822 I think that only applies to adults though or people that start playing tennis at a late age. I have been playing for 10 years or so and I always play singles, much more than doubles
Doubles can be much more enjoyable for people who aren't in peak physical condition. Certainly at a high level it's every bit as athletic as singles, but if you put a non-tennis player on a singles court they're just going to look like an idiot as they desperately run around trying to chase everything down, while doubles can be enjoyed even by middling-level club players well into their 70s.
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Amazing vid! Well done! Only thing missing was talking about delayed grunting where players grunt long after they've hit the ball just before their opponent is trying to hit. The worst.
Case in point: Martina Trevisan (Italy). I absolutely hate her for this.
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Really not very scientific or analytical at all when zero male grunters are sited.
@@artemisianwell5122 I would have liked that to be included in the video as well. Grunting has been derided and over focused a lot in woman’s tennis in comparison to men’s tennis due to sexism but he of course did not have to mention that to talk about grunting in male tennis and the volume in comparison to female tennis and how grunting shapes matches in that context differently.
Most of my male tennis friends refuse to watch women's tennis because of the grunting. Viewership of women's tennis may have increased, but it would be even higher without the grunting.
To see how much it's hated, all you have to do is read the comments on any Sabalenka match. At least half of them will be rants about her grunting.
And I don't buy the "it's necessary to exhale" crap. Some of these women continue screaming (not grunting, SCREAMING) long after the ball has been hit. Some of the best players in the world, including #1 Ash Barty, are totally silent. So the "screaming is necessary" argument is bullsh*t.
I once saw a woman lose a point because she screamed after hitting a ball. The umpire called Hindrance. The ironic part is, her opponent screamed EVERY time she hit the ball, and this woman only screamed the one time. She called penalized for one scream, her opponent didn't get penalized for her hundreds of screams. How wrong is that?
One of the funniest moments, which got a huge laugh from the crowd, was when two loudly grunting (well, OK, screaming) players were playing and there was a noise from the audience. The umpire said "Ladies and gentlemen, please do not call out during the course of a rally".
Watching the Aus open 2022 women's final was so nice because neither player screamed during the match!
@@tonybennett4159 crowd : oooohhh hahahaha
Umpire : please, can we have quiet for the players
Crowd : eurghh! AUGHH! EeRR!
Commentators : oh dear. I think the umpire just needs to stay out of this. The less said the better!
Actually, screaming just the once is more worthy to be penalized. It comes across as intentional to mess with the opponent and it being a one off is more likely to mess with an opponent. With the non-stop screamer, it's on every shot, so the opponent is used to the noise and can adapt their game to it. It's like in golf if someone yells right when a person is going to putt or a drive. That's more distracting than if it's just noisy all the time. It would be the same if a member of the audience scream just as a player was going to serve. So totally deserved.
grunting is a very small factor in the grand scheme of things. Sharapova was very popular so it clearly doesn't matter much to casual fans
I never knew this was an issue, in tennis! Very informative video.
The whole situation actually reminds me of a similar issue in fencing, at least here in Greece. When players score a point, they will often shout into the air. Ive heard its alternatively to relieve tension and to convince the referee to give them the point during controversial "phases"(?) (Basically whenever its uncertain who had right of way in a bout)
I was at a tourney, recently, and one of the schools' participant were being EXTREMELY loud whenever they scored...! It was qyite distracting, actually. Admittedly, thats not the sort of thing that happens during gameplay, so its ptobably more of a psychological/intimidation factor, there.
this is actually crazy. great video - good work
Ok, the breathing, the science, the coach who wants to hear the pupil’s breath... but let’s not pretend they do it JUST for that reason. The fact that it annoys the opponent is not just a happy coincidence.
Jesus, Larcher de Brito took it to another level. Her shriek was simply diabolical, and she was no where good enough to be able to get away with it.
At the end of the day, you can't stop players from grunting unless it's inconsistent and deliberate and clearly falls on the side of hindrance.
I always wondered what happened to her career.. she was the worst screamer ever..
I was just about to say, some guys must have forgot how loud Monica Seles was! Heck, people exhale differently and make different noises when playing. Add that to fact microphones on court make the grunts sound louder(believe me, I saw Rafa playing in person in Rome, his grunts are not a loud as you'd think satching on TV). Where I draw the line on grunting/screaming/shrieking it's when it's done disproportionately with the intensity of the shot, or when it's done way later after the shot is complete(sometimes even when the ball bounces on your opponent's side). That's when it's straight up hindrance.
Great video, thanks.
Even though coaches might want to hear the ‘breath’, they definitely know that with the minimal advantage it gives their ‘grunter/screamer’ it becomes a much bigger disadvantage for their opponent. 2 ft in tennis is huge.
Serena’s screams often seemed like that to me. Instead of being loudest when she was winning, as you would expect if it was an advantage, she got louder the worse she was playing and the further she got behind.
Seles changing something so major in her game for a slam final was actually a pretty dumb move, no wonder she regrets it, that’s something for the off-season. Most players wouldn’t even change their shoe laces at that point.
So doctor here just wanna add something to the discussion.
So muscle cells have these proteins called actin and myosin. To cause muscle shortening, these two have to get closer together and to relax (which takes ATP aka the universal energy source of the body).
This is why when people die, they are stiff as a board. There is no more energy to promote muscle relaxation.
Anyways back to the grunting.....
The thing is to prevent excessive shortening, the body leaves about 10-15% of non interacting space between the proteins. Think of it as a fail safe.
However in true fight or flight response, your own life is way more important than slightly damaging some muscles. To overcome this purposeful suboptimal muscle contraction, you can have acess to that 10-15% unused muscle contraction by grunting. This is called the golgi tendon body reflex/golgi tendon organ reflex.
Think if how you grunt when you dead lift/bench or pick up a heavy box when you move. It's the same thing.
Though I don't think there's a correlation to scream that loud and unlocking new levels of power (unless you live it n the dragon ball universe)
There's the material side of It as well. Screaming and grunting are important to stabilish dominance
I remember when I tried out kendo in high school and the instructor told me to really try and unleash my energy into one strike. My body was so into it that when I released all that energy I let out an involuntary yell. Felt really good in comparison to when I tried to hold it in because I thought it was more 'controlled' to do so. Fascinating stuff!
@@sharonwong5688 I was juste thinking about Kendo when I. commented that
Yeah, Players like Sharapova were compared to the decibel level of jet planes as they are/were so loud. This is surely a little more than 10-15%. Clearly gamesmanship. Whether it is to intimidate an opponent, distract or whatever it is clearly being put on, and should not be allowed in my opinion. Glad they have been cracking down on the practice at the junior level, but they haven't at the pro level, which doesn't seem right to me since young aspiring players get their inspiration from the pros and want to copy them. The body needs to exhale, and the abdominal muscles tighten up in the process resulting in a sound, but it doesn't need to be much noise.
@@sharonwong5688 yes this is a great example!
I came very close to leaving a Sharapova centre court Wimbledon Match it was so gawd darn annoying.
Its absolutely unnecessary when it's screeching
She's the worst player in tennis history. A 6'2" screaming demon from Hell. I'm glad she's not playing anymore. Her incessant double faults also are as annoying. Screaming/ grunting is a form of gamesmanship that should be outlawed or punished by fines and penalty points.
@@rushshukla4636 Sadly, she also had some bitchy things to say during her career. A great tennis player, but completely insufferable.
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If Fed, Pete, Martina & Steffi didn't need to do it, I struggle to understand why it's necessary.
Really thank you. Like i understand if you are tired in the fifth set and what not. But first set, what for
When I lived in halls at university, I used to have to walk past the indoor tennis court every day, and even outside you could hear over-the-top grunting. The sports stars of today are setting a bad example for those of tomorrow.
Why should tennis be different than any other sport. (Antonio Brown, anybody?)
My issue is more for how long some of them maintain the scream, it can carry till their opponent is making contact with the ball.
Should we consider this just a fair tactic that players need to adjust to or is it a form of cheating? If there's any way to measure it, I'd love to see statistics on how many times players lose points or make errors because of screaming from their opponent. Numbers don't lie.
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Martial artists do this. In Korean arts it is known as a "Kiyap", a cry performed during a strike to help focus the attack, startle the opponent, and add commitment to the follow through. It is extremely effective when done correctly.
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Awesome video! One thing not addressed is the mental effort required to perform well in this game. Grunting is often a consequence of not only digging deep physically but is also a battle cry of the soul, so to speak, as players put everything they got into each shot.
I was halfway expecting this video to cover stomping in table tennis, particularly when serving. The stomp provides an auditory mask over paddle/ball contact, which can be used as a pretty significant indicator of how much spin/power is imparted on the ball when paired with the visual movement. In table tennis you can telegraph a big hit while actually hitting softly and vice versa; the sound of the paddle hit can quickly tell you what's happening UNLESS the hit itself is muffled with a well-timed foot stomp.
I'm wondering if a similar effect is occurring during a tennis racket hit&grunt on top of the physiological tightening of the core muscles
I can agree with the being taught to grunt part. When I joined an international academy they taught us to go “huh” when the ball bounced and “ehhh” when we hit so that we relaxed when hitting the shot. I noticeably play better when doing it but try to not be too loud
Was that Schiavone's academy?
Excessuve grunting is player interference, which is sanctioned in the Rules, thus it should not be allowed. One main reason it is allowed is money: imagine banning Sharapova because of her grunting. Would her $ponsors and the WTA allow that? Imagine the lost money. Yes, the sport is being corrupted and that can be a very sad thing.
Just like tennis, there are some martial art styles that grunt when they strike. I didn’t understand grunting before, until I started to serve much harder. Then I found out I’ll grunt naturally when I try to hit extra hard. It helps me concentrate power into the strike. I think grunting is mainly a habit that helps the player, more so than a distraction tactics. Distraction is typically deployed at a critical moment, like a fake shot, not on every stroke.
Grunting in weightlifting and power lifting actually 8s unintentional. it's air escaping the intensity of the velsalva movement under extreme duress, but they do not scream or drag it out. In fact it's in their best interest to fight to keep it under wraps as that stored air is vital to stability and muscular tension and thus prevents injury.
I find it hard to believed the prolonged howling in some of these examples is at all necessary, it's not like we see golfers screaming after a long drive as a part of their follow through - and they are assuredly delivering equal if not exceeding amounts of effort in order to move the ball in their sport.
I tried this "grunting improves performance" theory on my wife when we made love. She wasn't impressed, i still only lasted 3 seconds, so no improvement from grunting.
It's not just the sound you gotta control the breathing and you'll be at 6 seconds before you know it bruv
I think the problem was when you tried to use a one-handed backhand.
Game, set, match
3 seconds huh? I should try your technique tonight. I just hope I don't go light headed from going so long.
Perhaps you gotta better time your split step... 🤔
I personally don't watch any Tennis because I just didn't really find anyone that really blew me away as a newbie.
The grunting was one of the parts that pushed me away from it.I know now why it makes sense so it's a little better that in the past.
I still watched all of your videos because their so well done and very interesting.
You explain everything very understandably and clear for people like me,who don't know much about Tennis in general.
So cheers to you!!
Hey thanks so much for the nice comment , and thank you for watching!!
I'm not even a tennis fan and some how i have been here ALL DAY LONG!!!! Great work man!
Hey Man! What editing software are you using? Your videos are really slick! Thanks
The next gen of loud grunters will defenitely come from Rafael Nadal Academy.
LMAOO
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Alcaraz is already up there with the noise trying to emulate his master.
@Cult Tennis Can you please do an analysis of Sonego's grunts? Why does his audible grunt come so much later after he has hit the ball? That seems more of a distraction than to tighten the core muscles as explained in the video
I believe the answer is "because it distracts the opponent better this way"
“The kid who grunted and then died” graphic at 7:36 made me laugh way too hard. Props
I feel like grunting just adds a sense of power to the swing and even listening to it feels very satisfying to me
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actually this grunting phenomenon can also be seen in martial arts, especially karate. they call this "kiai" karate practitioners will often shout before or during a strike, not to distract opponents but to amplify their power. they also do this a lot when breaking boards and cinder blocks in demonstrations.
Bruce Lee also makes extensive use of this shouting/grunting.
Having just learned the game recently in my old age, I appreciate the skill of these young players on the court. They do not get enough credit . The grunting does not bother me when watching an intense game. The games appear to be more and more intense these days, it is not the same polite game of 50 years ago, it has become a chess tournament with ball and racquet.
For me as (quiet) hobby tennis player, grunting is used by my opponents for preventing me to hear the contact sound, ie, the type of shots they are performing. And for psychological reasons of looking strength in some particular point.
9:05 Wow, that was savage.
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Fed's cheerleaders gonna be butthurt.
@@krafthund Federer is worst case scenario the third best overall player in history (and it's far more likely that he's the second). So I think Federer fans will be alright haha.
Still, what a savage joke!
@@krafthund nah. For one of the mentally weakest players in history that can only tell how good of a player he actually is. Consistency and ability is unmatched by him. The fact that nole will overtake him just now is a testament to his never give up attitude. To put it simply when novak plays poorly roger destroys him. When roger plays poorly novak barely beats him and usually by federer choking. I'm just amazed that with a the luck novak has had with injuries and opponents choking that he hasn't won at least 50 slams. Frankly that's embarrassing in my opinion.
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I’m 31, I started playing tennis 3 months ago but had boxed my entire life. The grunt sound to me is a thing of comfort. Letting out jabs and power punches just feels better. I feel the same way about tennis.
I played for a small club in Sweden, and we were thought how to grunt in order to control breathing and generate more power....but also as a distraction/a way to get into your opponents head and make yourself more intimidating
They do it also to distract the opponent. Sharapova rarely grunted during practice, but would kill her vocal cords screaming. Same with Azarenka, and more than half of the Spaniard players (both men and women), as well as the South Americans. If it's not prohibited, then players will do it.
Right-o. "What the law permits, it encourages."
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My guy, this is an amazing video. I found you today due to an unexpected set of events. Where I work there are many sports teams. As I was leaving and headed to my car I walked past the tennis team warming up. I asked myself, "why are they grunting in such a fashion?" Here we are. You answered so many questions and I hope that people watch this video in its entirety. However, I still feel some of the way the grunt is formulated is completely excessive. I would rather hear true primal screams rather than those accentuated full inhale and exhale grunts, i.e. turbo spool and blow off valve with turbo flutter 😜
Excellent research
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Funny I deliberately kept myself from making noise on hits and in my early 20s a coach noticed I was seriously hindering myself by breathing less and tensed me up. So I greatly improved my results by having that exhale and my noise level did depend on how much power I'd put in a shot. Men's game definitely has waaaaay less dubious grunting beyond exhale.
poor girl
Why don't golfers do it??
Great video, thanks!
excessive noise hides the power of the hit, how it was hit, and the direction. Definitely a tactical distraction, and that coach knew what he was doing.
I am just so glad that the new girls like Emma and Laylah are not grunters. They did take out many loud grunters on their way to the final.
your videos are of such a high standard, it's incredible! Very analytical and well designed, interesting animations and cuts.
Keep up the great work :)
The problem is, there's a difference between grunting and the screeching we hear in women's tennis. At some point it's just simply unreasonable.
as a young tennis player on the rise i grunt with every stroke personally it helps me focus even more its my way of telling myself "c'mon keep it in" without actually saying it grunting has become a part of my game now
and then there's Sonego
This channels quality in editing and overall watchability is excellent. Top notch and very impressive.
I remember watching an Azarenka-Sharapova tournament final on tv. I had to turn off the volume early game 1 for the rest of the match.
I started watching tennis when my mother introduced us kids to Billy Jean King, Chris Everet, Martina, in the middle and late 1960s. I took a clinic with Stan Smith and Rod Laver in the late 60s and watched tennis up until the grunting became prevalent, and I don't watch much anymore. Even with the sound down.
Two other things I think are worth noting:
1) Some players say they grunt because, as kids, their coaches said they weren't hitting the ball as hard as they could. So they effectively trained themselves to grunt loudly at a young age to show they're hitting as hard as they can. I think it was Sharapova who said this once.
2) The advantage of exhaling sharply to tighten muscles isn't a strong argument in favor of grunting. You can achieve the same effect at a much quieter level. Anyone who has done Taekwondo knows this - you're taught to exhale sharply making a kind of "huttt" breath sound. It's not loud at all but is just as effective as audible grunting.
damn this editing is spectacular! really appreciating the time you take with motion graphics and thoughtful scripting
My two cents: I think it is also good for dealing with fatigue, stress and pain in long rallies and games. There was a study done about pain, seeing how long people could hold their hand in ice water. The group that continuously cursed and shouted, was able to bare the pain the longest.
I know what video you're talking about but it was actually a study on whether the effect was greater if you just made a noise or said "ouch" versus swearing in pain and the swearing beat the ouchies
I didn't know i needed a grunt video until this.
Great vids. Love your channel. As a tennis player, I find your vids very informative and detailed. Keep up the good work!
Bear in mind that deciBels are a logarithmic scale, where an increase of 10dB is roughly equivalent to double the perceived loudness of a sound.
That means Larcher de Brito is around FOUR times louder than Seles.
'Gut-grunting' vs 'shrieking'.
The Fletcher-Munson effect also scales; i.e. meaning that perceived loudness varies based on frequency content as well as dB level.
For example, an increase of 10dB in only low bass frequencies of 20-60 Hz won't bear anywhere the dramatic change in perceived loudness that +10dB@2kHz-5kHz will. (+10dB is usually going to sound a lot more than 2x louder, btw. Mid-to-high frequency sounds can seem to be at least 5x louder when raised 10dB)
The avg adult homo sapien's ear is most sensitive in this 2kHz-5KHz range because it is right where the most discernment and definition between vocal consonants occurs.
In Thailand here, many coaches taught their kids to grunt. My son happens to play some of them, sometimes they grunt when my son is hitting the ball. So much for increasing performance :D
Grunting really hard as I completely miss the ball with my swing