absolutely fascinating sir. You are a very rare man to come by.. Please tell me, have you ever heard of the Shalom project?? It took place in Guyana and was a training camp for mercenaries going to fight in Angola. The crazy part is it was on exactly the same plot of land bought by Jim Jones and the peoples temple where the "mass suicide" took place. Please let me know if you have heard anything at all about it or anything like it. Have a wonderful day and thank you for letting us know of your experience in Angola whatever it may have involved.
Ahhh, so this is where you guys are....Hello Katyusha and tomaluta!! Hope you enjoyed your winter break and that the first days of New Years ahve been treating you all well....
So easy to criticize, and insult each other. But you are entitled to your opinions. Just thank God you were not there. I was born in Luanda in 1975 and experiencedd first hand the horrors of the war. Im glad tthe subject is of interest to many. Hopefully what happened in Angola will never be repeated.
@UnbekannterSoldat: The MPLA still rules Angola, and they are by no means Communist or Socialist. But the USSR and Cuba were the only two that could keep Angolans from being raped and tortured by the racists of the SADF. Look, I'm not going to shed tears for Rhodie farmers who served in Ian Smith's army or ex-SADF. True not all of them are, but most of them yes.
Despite international forces fueling the conflict, the fact is that THREE Angolan "leaders" wanted to rule by themselves, they've never been wise enough to deny foreign support to kill their own brother. Neto, Roberto and Savimbi had the chance to solve their problems around a table.
The way I see it, the USA and the USSR used Angola as a proxy. It was the cold war and I think both nations were afraid to fight the Cold War amongst themselves.
Hi Katyusha! I''ve been pretty sick these last couple of days, so you can say that I have the holiday hangover...hahahaha! How are you doing?? How's Namibia this time of year??
Cuba was only there because of cabinda province not communism ideology. All these documentaries on angola war leaves out cabinda exclave the real reason different groups were fighting, 80% of angola oil is there & who ever won to establish government controlled it. Unita had seized the diamond producing areas in south. South africa got involved because of their fear of another communist state at their border. Cabinda was left out of alvor agreement, because the MPLA,FNLA, UNITA agreed they didn't want cabinda going to becoming independent country because cabinda never was a part of portuguese angola colonialism under the treaty of simulambuco. Portugal included cabinda into angola as portuguese army was evacuating & portugal was loosing its last africa colonies.Castro was being paid $1000 per cuban soldier per month ( $ 55 million estimate of 30,000- 50,000 cubans) plus free oil. Che Guevara had started the cuban presence in africa in 1965/66 & as we know he was killed in bolivia before he could witness full impact. Che had told castro that a good portion cuban soldiers or atleast the commanders had to be afro cuban or else cuba would look like no different European colonizer or the portuguese with nothing but white cubans sent.Cuba was already in mozambique & guinea Bissau but angola had oil that was needed so most of those soldiers were just sent to angola. mozambique & guinea Bissau were pretty much abandoned to fight their independence movement without cuban soldiers. The soviets like said in film didn't want to be involved but castro going it alone caused them to .castro dismissed his own generals chief of military because they to didn't feel cuba should put its soldiers in that war. How ironic 2,000 cuban soldiers sent by castro brother Raul castro to protect American oil installations in cabinda. Ronald reagan was staunchly anti communist but with cabinda the U.S. secretly worked with cuba to keep the oil flowing...some my info source Wikipedia "angola- cuba relations",..." cuba intervention in angola". History of cabinda province. History of C.I.A in angola, cabinda independence movement
We must thank Angola for the determinations and vision to invite cubans to help, we must thank Che Guevara the man who made possible the link between Cuba and MPLA in the 60's, we must thank the MPLA members for the vision to approach Che Guevara and ask him for help, when he travelled to Congo (Former Zaíre).
No probs Katyusha. I'm actually almost back to my healthy state. :) Interesting about the rains in Namibia, seeing as to how it's mostly desert. Are these monsoons?? We have something similar in the Southwest part of the US.
He was kicked out of the Paras for robbing a bank in Belfast while on duty. In Angola he murdered 13 other British mercs for whatever reason...who knows how many Angolans? The CIA agent was right to call him a raging psychopath! To this day the US still employs these types of people and even glamourizes them in film! Sick!
At that time, a reporter close to the SA military, told me the reason for the withdrawal of the SA forces was that the Russians were threatening to invade Namibia if the SA forces did not withdraw from Angola.
And did You believe Him? Did You check how long the white apartheid army was fighting and destroying Angola and occupied Namibia? Did You know why at the end Namibia got independent and the South Africa freedom of the South African people started? ...
In fact in 1975, the South Africans getting experience in guerilla warfare were the SAP and the Recce that were sent into Rhodesia. Remember also that the man who formed Koevoet has gone upto Rhodesia and gained field expereience with the BSAP.
Why thanks, you old commie....hahahaha! I missed you too, big guy!!! I think this movie is pretty cool, hope we can continue to have our debates/discussions here, now.... I hope your New Year's resolutions come through...
Believe it or not, I was able to keep up with all of the youtube stuff over in India. I for one was surprised when the origional Cuito page just disappeared one day.... But you'll find some of my comments in some of the other pages that I made during that time... Anyway, it's good to be back....
Yes flatline!! They got their battles mixed up. SA's early involvement in Angola was disasterous, and you are right, they learned their lessons, and then came back. You have men like Breytenbach who learned from this expereince and created the mighty 32 Btn.
Katyusha...I read Sun Tzu and 36 strategies myself. "Commit your men completely. Without being posted, they will be on guard. Without being asked, they will get what is needed. Without being forced, they will be dedicated. Without being given orders, they can be trusted. A small number of Koevoet officers in 1989 held out against a nmerically superior force of SWAPO and held their ground, without backup from the SA. Remember??
@BlackCountryPuddler I was friends with a guy some years back who served in Ulster with Costas and he said he was one of the most fearless guys he'd ever met but also a seriously dangerous operator !
I'm one of those completely fed up with the antics of our politicians. Did you that Congress commissioned the Defense Department to procure more private jets for their travel?? Apparently first class is not good enough.
all this happened before elections,Comrade Nujoma made those remarks in 1988 at the end,we held elections in September 1989 we won 80% and we had to give away some vote to the opposition to mantain democracy.
Toma,I am back so that we can roast this type of flaseblackmama so called.this time I came firing like I am really at cuito cuanavale pullings the boys into the really live batlle lol.
Tomaluta,Sun Tzu said, Appear weak when you are strong, and ,strong when you are weak. we faced the with D-30 maximum range 25 km against modernized G-6 maximum range 50 km. we faced them with T-55 (1942)(35(tons) main battle tank against the modernized (1980) Olifant Mk I A( 58tons) .we hit them captured them.
FMCLAW777, I've heard about all of these issues. And these actions by the govenrment and the ANC is tearing the population apart for political gain. But this is a dangerous game to be playing. It's not that old wounds are being repopened, I fear that fresh ones are being inflicted.
@businesseast Just another proxy war in the greater Cold War. The USA and Soviet Union both wanted influence in the region. It was never about freedom or saving lives or some shit like that. They wanted influence/power in what was thought to be an important strategic objective. Basically they had natural resources.
LOL. So the apartheid regime fled the battlefield leaving their dead and wounded and equipment behind. I guess they were used to facing unarmed women and children.
What a load of crap. The SADF never fled the battlefield, in fact they won almost every military encounter with the MPLA, SWAPO and Cuba. The SADF was one of the best armies in the world. They clearly demonstrated that when they kicked the teeth in of MPLA, SWAPO and Cuba.
GREAT RECOMMENDATION!! I got "in search of enemies" in the 70's. I also used it as a sign of best of Americana 'speaking truth to power' because NO bwitish, French etc have written books like this. My colleagues say it's because US mindset is constitutions base as opposed to born to rule royalty... and KNOW THEY PLACE is still very bwitish,
@RebelSonBand Because the Portuguese Fucking Admiral Coutinho, who was in charge of all Portuguese forces in Angola at the time, admitted to have to conspire with the Cuban, Soviets and MPLA months before independence
They have in back stage the same way as Russia in Angola side. Angola ,Russia and Russia contributed directly for the end of the apartheid and the independence of Namibia. British mercenaries captured and judges in Angola , youtube source.
I like how the CIA keeps saying “we” and he was in Washington not in the battle 😂
Also calling out there own guys as psychopaths and its like yall hired em wtf u expect
Is there a Part 3?
What is the original name of this documentary? Who made it and is it possible to buy on DVD?
awsome footage and interviews
Good upload, but I'd like to see rest of it.
I was there. Basically the report is correct.
VIVA MPLA-FAPLA
absolutely fascinating sir. You are a very rare man to come by.. Please tell me, have you ever heard of the Shalom project?? It took place in Guyana and was a training camp for mercenaries going to fight in Angola. The crazy part is it was on exactly the same plot of land bought by Jim Jones and the peoples temple where the "mass suicide" took place. Please let me know if you have heard anything at all about it or anything like it. Have a wonderful day and thank you for letting us know of your experience in Angola whatever it may have involved.
I took a brief look at your page and I find you to be more and more interesting. Please message me back good sir!
Ahhh, so this is where you guys are....Hello Katyusha and tomaluta!! Hope you enjoyed your winter break and that the first days of New Years ahve been treating you all well....
I really missed the discussion,you guys.
Hi Steve!! How are you, it's been a long time!!! Regarding languages, that's still a pretty awesome accomplishment, though!!!
Sunclief, you're asking me to think!!! LOLOL!
answering that question requires some serious soul searching.
So easy to criticize, and insult each other. But you are entitled to your opinions. Just thank God you were not there. I was born in Luanda in 1975 and experiencedd first hand the horrors of the war. Im glad tthe subject is of interest to many. Hopefully what happened in Angola will never be repeated.
Congratulations tomaluta!!
I'm doing pretty good today, thanks for asking.
whats the name of this documentary? Where can i find a source for this?
is there a part 3? It seems to end abruptly..
Hi Steve...that's exactly what I'm wondering!
wow. steve, both you and Katyusha are the master linguists around here!!!!
How did you guys learn that many languages???
No part 3? Sad.
Part 2 appears to be exactly like part 1...?
Does anyone know the source of this video, or the name of this documentary?
Hello Sunclief!!! Long time, my friend. Your last sentence is interesting. May I ask you to elaborate on that?
@UnbekannterSoldat: The MPLA still rules Angola, and they are by no means Communist or Socialist. But the USSR and Cuba were the only two that could keep Angolans from being raped and tortured by the racists of the SADF. Look, I'm not going to shed tears for Rhodie farmers who served in Ian Smith's army or ex-SADF. True not all of them are, but most of them yes.
Russian is usely propogands as so USSR propogands
Ok, so where is part 3, 4, and 5???
Despite international forces fueling the conflict, the fact is that THREE Angolan "leaders" wanted to rule by themselves, they've never been wise enough to deny foreign support to kill their own brother. Neto, Roberto and Savimbi had the chance to solve their problems around a table.
hahahaha! Like a Merry-go-Round or a Ferris Wheel.
For that comment. I am going to sub.
I'll check it out tomaluta. How are you doing??
The way I see it, the USA and the USSR used Angola as a proxy. It was the cold war and I think both nations were afraid to fight the Cold War amongst themselves.
That's one way of looking at it...LOL!
You are 110% right...:)
Hi Katyusha! I''ve been pretty sick these last couple of days, so you can say that I have the holiday hangover...hahahaha!
How are you doing?? How's Namibia this time of year??
Hi Katyusha. how are you?? What makes you think BlackMamba is fake??
As a pan-African, I thank the Cubans from the bottom of my heart.
Don't forget to thank the Soviet union also
Russians supplied the hardware and military consultants. Thank the Soviets
@@vitalygolubchik1535 they do thank the Russian too it’s just the Cubans put their lives on the line and physically came
Cuba was only there because of cabinda province not communism ideology. All these documentaries on angola war leaves out cabinda exclave the real reason different groups were fighting, 80% of angola oil is there & who ever won to establish government controlled it. Unita had seized the diamond producing areas in south. South africa got involved because of their fear of another communist state at their border. Cabinda was left out of alvor agreement, because the MPLA,FNLA, UNITA agreed they didn't want cabinda going to becoming independent country because cabinda never was a part of portuguese angola colonialism under the treaty of simulambuco. Portugal included cabinda into angola as portuguese army was evacuating & portugal was loosing its last africa colonies.Castro was being paid $1000 per cuban soldier per month ( $ 55 million estimate of 30,000- 50,000 cubans) plus free oil. Che Guevara had started the cuban presence in africa in 1965/66 & as we know he was killed in bolivia before he could witness full impact. Che had told castro that a good portion cuban soldiers or atleast the commanders had to be afro cuban or else cuba would look like no different European colonizer or the portuguese with nothing but white cubans sent.Cuba was already in mozambique & guinea Bissau but angola had oil that was needed so most of those soldiers were just sent to angola. mozambique & guinea Bissau were pretty much abandoned to fight their independence movement without cuban soldiers. The soviets like said in film didn't want to be involved but castro going it alone caused them to .castro dismissed his own generals chief of military because they to didn't feel cuba should put its soldiers in that war. How ironic 2,000 cuban soldiers sent by castro brother Raul castro to protect American oil installations in cabinda. Ronald reagan was staunchly anti communist but with cabinda the U.S. secretly worked with cuba to keep the oil flowing...some my info source Wikipedia "angola- cuba relations",..." cuba intervention in angola". History of cabinda province. History of C.I.A in angola, cabinda independence movement
We must thank Angola for the determinations and vision to invite cubans to help, we must thank Che Guevara the man who made possible the link between Cuba and MPLA in the 60's, we must thank the MPLA members for the vision to approach Che Guevara and ask him for help, when he travelled to Congo (Former Zaíre).
Hi Katyusha!! Nope, I've been back for a week....
Big Black Mamba, that's like the pot calling the kettle black. LOL!
Where is part 3?
Where is part 3??
tomaluta, did you fight in the war? What was it like for you??
Tomaluta how are you brother?
Right here flatline!! LOL! sorr about that...must have dosed off at my computer there...
No probs Katyusha. I'm actually almost back to my healthy state. :)
Interesting about the rains in Namibia, seeing as to how it's mostly desert. Are these monsoons?? We have something similar in the Southwest part of the US.
Right here....LOL!
Hi Katyusha. How are you doing??
hi tomaluta! I am back my bro
sorry to hear you are sick ,Namibia is fine raining too much.
tomaluta,where the hell is sura on this blog?
Hi suri!
ok ek verstaan my maat,stevitjie
I was told that Callan was one of the Para's that patrolled the Bloody Sunday incident, I'm not sure how true that is !
He was kicked out of the Paras for robbing a bank in Belfast while on duty. In Angola he murdered 13 other British mercs for whatever reason...who knows how many Angolans? The CIA agent was right to call him a raging psychopath! To this day the US still employs these types of people and even glamourizes them in film! Sick!
oooooh....score!!! You like that Black Mamba or are you hungry for more??
Katyusha, just watch out that the "sand" you've stuck your feet in isn't quicksand! Muaahahahahahahaha!
Hi surayavajra,where is Flatie these days.Hi Tomaluta,are yoou guys fine or still have holidays hangover?
stevie ,how man language do you speak?
stevie,so you`re a tallented man,do you speak any namibian language/dialects?
1:02, my favourite moment!
6:29 - When not touring with the Rolling Stones, Keith Richards enjoys work as a mercenary soldier.
At that time, a reporter close to the SA military, told me the reason for the withdrawal of the SA forces was that the Russians were threatening to invade Namibia if the SA forces did not withdraw from Angola.
And did You believe Him? Did You check how long the white apartheid army was fighting and destroying Angola and occupied Namibia? Did You know why at the end Namibia got independent and the South Africa freedom of the South African people started? ...
Bullshit they got their ass kicked by the Cubans plain n simple
RIP part3
@gabiru939 Where abouts were you?
Hi Katyusha...the stinger was sent to UNITA...
THEY USES TO BE A PART 3 STRANGE
WHERE IS PART 3? PLZ someone help
+ultimatelazyviewer There is no part 3, what you see is all there is.
Do you know the name of this documentary? Perhaps we can dig it up somewhere?
Elaborate! I was shown picture's that were taken of Cuban vehicles taken out and captured when I was in the SADF.
In fact in 1975, the South Africans getting experience in guerilla warfare were the SAP and the Recce that were sent into Rhodesia.
Remember also that the man who formed Koevoet has gone upto Rhodesia and gained field expereience with the BSAP.
So what does it say in the Angolan bible???
hi surie,still on leave? Happy new lol>
Why thanks, you old commie....hahahaha! I missed you too, big guy!!!
I think this movie is pretty cool, hope we can continue to have our debates/discussions here, now....
I hope your New Year's resolutions come through...
My group alone knocked of 7 ratels in April 4,forget about the Casper,did Koeveoet used Ratels? what a small number of Koevoet?
Believe it or not, I was able to keep up with all of the youtube stuff over in India. I for one was surprised when the origional Cuito page just disappeared one day....
But you'll find some of my comments in some of the other pages that I made during that time...
Anyway, it's good to be back....
please put subtitles in portuguese.
So who was Neville Wood??
Good comment :)
Yes flatline!! They got their battles mixed up. SA's early involvement in Angola was disasterous, and you are right, they learned their lessons, and then came back.
You have men like Breytenbach who learned from this expereince and created the mighty 32 Btn.
Katyusha...I read Sun Tzu and 36 strategies myself.
"Commit your men completely. Without being posted, they will be on guard. Without being asked, they will get what is needed. Without being forced, they will be dedicated. Without being given orders, they can be trusted.
A small number of Koevoet officers in 1989 held out against a nmerically superior force of SWAPO and held their ground, without backup from the SA. Remember??
@BlackCountryPuddler I was friends with a guy some years back who served in Ulster with Costas and he said he was one of the most fearless guys he'd ever met but also a seriously dangerous operator !
So have I. Well I'm here Katyusha!!!
I'm one of those completely fed up with the antics of our politicians. Did you that Congress commissioned the Defense Department to procure more private jets for their travel?? Apparently first class is not good enough.
all this happened before elections,Comrade Nujoma made those remarks in 1988 at the end,we held elections in September 1989 we won 80% and we had to give away some vote to the opposition to mantain democracy.
I am fine flatie,what is up I am comming firing my rockets lol.
gotcha. Was he South African or Rhodesian??
full documentary
I think this callan thing would make great movie, lawless land filled mercs killing robbing
Toma,I am back so that we can roast this type of flaseblackmama so called.this time I came firing like I am really at cuito cuanavale pullings the boys into the really live batlle lol.
I don't know why...perhaps someone can hazard a guess??
Olha o Pancrácio mais o seu carro de combate,ahahahahahaha.
What did Jan Breytenbach sa??
Tomaluta,Sun Tzu said, Appear weak when you are strong, and ,strong when you are weak. we faced the with D-30 maximum range 25 km against modernized G-6 maximum range 50 km. we faced them with T-55 (1942)(35(tons) main battle tank against the modernized (1980) Olifant Mk I A( 58tons) .we hit them captured them.
FMCLAW777, I've heard about all of these issues. And these actions by the govenrment and the ANC is tearing the population apart for political gain. But this is a dangerous game to be playing. It's not that old wounds are being repopened, I fear that fresh ones are being inflicted.
Equality and franternity. Nice words...but it's all a pipe dream. Power is what makes the world go around....
@businesseast Just another proxy war in the greater Cold War. The USA and Soviet Union both wanted influence in the region. It was never about freedom or saving lives or some shit like that. They wanted influence/power in what was thought to be an important strategic objective. Basically they had natural resources.
LOL. So the apartheid regime fled the battlefield leaving their dead and wounded and equipment behind. I guess they were used to facing unarmed women and children.
What a load of crap. The SADF never fled the battlefield, in fact they won almost every military encounter with the MPLA, SWAPO and Cuba. The SADF was one of the best armies in the world. They clearly demonstrated that when they kicked the teeth in of MPLA, SWAPO and Cuba.
Idiot. Get your facts right. We kicked their asses and everyone else we fought.
well, the south africans were used to just poorly armed and trained local forces...add in real militaries and it's more of a fight...
Allon mielke my grandfather told me he killed to white bitches in this war and it was the greatest felling that he ever had😂✊🏿🇨🇻🇬🇼1975
@@jessicacontreras3207 that is sad,after a long life that was his greatest feeling ,what a empty existence.God have mercy on us all.
Koevoet was also born after that.
Inthaka faded away?? Then how come it says they are the third largest party in the National Assembly??
All nations act in their own interests regardless of what they claim they are doing it for.
Hello all, how are we doing today??
Hey, I did not know the Rolling Stones were working as mercanaries for the CIA! Check out the Mick and Keith look-a-likes at 6:25.
why is USA getting involved in Angola ?
Read "In Search of Enemies " by John Stockwell to understand this further. It changed my view of my world.
GREAT RECOMMENDATION!!
I got "in search of enemies" in the 70's.
I also used it as a sign of best of Americana 'speaking truth to power' because NO bwitish, French etc have written books like this. My colleagues say it's because US mindset is constitutions base as opposed to born to rule royalty... and KNOW THEY PLACE is still very bwitish,
@RebelSonBand
Because the Portuguese Fucking Admiral Coutinho, who was in charge of all Portuguese forces in Angola at the time, admitted to have to conspire with the Cuban, Soviets and MPLA months before independence
ahh yes, you are right, the Zulu exist as a majority in SA...
How many CIA Troops saw action in Angola?
They have in back stage the same way as Russia in Angola side.
Angola ,Russia and Russia contributed directly for the end of the apartheid and the independence of Namibia.
British mercenaries captured and judges in Angola , youtube source.