Another wonderful, thoughtful explanation of the intricacies of the coronation rite. It'll be great to have this knowledge filed away while watching next month. For me, the most fortunate person in that procession may be the one carrying the coronation spoon in the pouch against his chest. He's entrusted with the vital task of keeping that ancient gem warm so that the King will not be startled by cold metal during his anointing (a much more glamorous version of a doctor warming the stethoscope 😃). I must also note that no one tops 17th century men for their impressive hairstyles and hats. They make fascinators look drab. 😄
Yes! I am getting very excited, Allan. The videos you continue to share only increase my hope that we will see many, if not all, the coronation customs and rituals restained by King Charles III. Thank you, once again, for shedding light on these wonderful and thoroughly English traditions.
@@allanbarton Hey Allan, new subscriber here! Wonderful video, is there anyway you could do an Old Mother Shipton video in future? I am a little obsessed with her. Thank you for sharing your talents here on youtube.
Charles is a huge fan of Sir Hubert Parry, so I suspect that his setting of Psalm 122 will be played (as it has at every coronation since 1902), which definitely includes the Vivats. There has been a lot of speculation in the choral music world about how they'll fit in the syllables, being so used to the most-recently-published scores with "Regina Elizabetha" ingrained in everyone's rhythmic minds!
It's majestic and fantastic. I feel the weight of history. It will be a wonderful coronation. King Charles is an exemplary monarch. I look forward to the coronation. The Japanese people hope that His Majesty the Emperor and Empress will attend the coronation ceremony, but unfortunately,the Japanese media is reporting that Prince and Princess Akishino will attend.
Thank you for this detailed and fascinating insight into the coronation of British sovereigns Allan. Certainly nothing comes close to the pomp and ceremony of a British coronation! It will be fascinating to see what happens at the coronation of Charles III. I wonder what historical traditions will be woven into a 2023 coronation. Not long to go!
Completely down graded. A farce. Hardly any celebrations in my area that weekend. Too much red tape to go through with our awful council to be bothered.
Thanks for explaining the Westminster scholar salute. I watched Elizabeth II’s coronation about a month ago to know what to expect and loved the salute. It was so unexpected but came just at the right moment as she lifted her skirt to mount the dais. Perfect timing. But it was hard to make out what they were shouting. The Latin isn’t that hard to understand even without subtitles. But as is frequently the case with multiple voices in a large space, articulation is undercut by acoustics. They’ll have to fiddle with the meter for Vivat Rex, Vivat Rex Carollus. Not so much with Vivat Regina Camilla. I regret to say that there will be unkind misinterpretations of that. (In fact, if I were Charles, I’d just omit the salute for Camilla altogether. It’s too prone to farcification) I’m glad I’m not British so I have to pretend she’s an example of virtuous womanhood. Somehow, the two of them triumphing in the Abbey after their years of intrigue just feels icky to some of us. Well, anyway, thanks for the overview. Nicely done.
The date is fast approaching! Has the construction begun yet of any annexe in front of the West Door of the Abbey? If not they seem to be cutting things fine!
These talks of yours are so well informed and enjoyable to listen to. As history is gradually being re-written by the woke generation and neglected in schools, the treasures of our past seem left to one’s such as you to keep alive for as long as possible. More power to your elbow.
Lovely video. I have been reading about the role of the Prince of Wales in the coronation and did read Edward VIII took his Prince of Wales coronet? With him but it is now back. Any ideas of Williams role and attire? The walking procession would have been a sight to see
I was hoping for all the pomp and pageantry this coming coronation. Considering nobody has seen it happen in many decades. But it sounds like quite a bit of it has been "slimmed down". That's unfortunate in my opinion.
I am pretty sure the representatives from Normandy and Aquitaine represent when those Duchies were shared in title with the King of England, 1066 and 1204 respectively. The claim on the Kingdom of France as a whole would come later, beginning in ~1340.
Thank you for another very informative video. I will have to watch all the coronation focused videos again, and take notes, a couple of days prior to the event...my memory being too weak to remember all this info with enough precision. Especially the recent rituals, I am much better at 16th century history than at recent history
I'm glad no one processes barefoot these days!! It wouldn't be good if someone cuts their foot!! Thanks again, Allan, for another VERY INTERESTING history lesson!! XXXX 💗👍❤🤴👸
The intro and outro music is a superb choice. It compliments the fantastic content you provide, Allan. Sometimes after a video finishes, I repeat the outro. I'd love to know the name of the piece of music!
Dear Allan: Just discovered your site and glad I did. Can you tell me the pictures at 18:51 and 19:20 are from George V coronation or George VI. Closer look at the Queen Consorts crown looks an awful like Queen Mary's. Secondly, where can we find the actual overview map of the actual route for 2023. Thanks. Greetings Canada.
You know, what you're doing is what the printers did back in the day who made all those diagrams with people in them and letters next to their heads and a legend/key in the corner to tell the reader who's who: you're describing and explaining everything that's going on. You're the modern engraver making those little pamphlets to be given out to people as their guide to everything that will be happening on the day. And you know what that means -- in 300 years time, there's a chance that someone else will be doing the same thing in some other unimagined medium when the coronation of Edward the 19th or Elizabeth the 8th is being planned, and they will be walking their audience through your ancient explainer videos.
if i was a king long ago would it be strange for me to not ride a horse but ride a litter like queen elizabeth? or would they wonder what was wrong with me? 😀(i've been on a horse before and it was terrifying) [oh! it looks like sometimes the king can just walk...whew!]
Thanks a lot for this video. This is really interesting for a foreigner like me. I hope to hear the salute of the Westminster scholars, but i also hope that they know how to pronounce their latin. Unfortunately you butchered the latin quite totally. ;)
Thank you, but I really didn't. I pronounced it as it is traditionally pronounced in England and just as it will be pronounced, not in Italianate fashion. Latin pronunciation has always differed from country to country. The way liturgical Latin was pronounced in England also altered over time, credo, for example, was produced with a long rather than a short e before the Reformation.
Please don't say that Richard III "usurped" the throne. It is simply not true. He was offered the crown by the Three Estates of the Realm, and that act was later confirmed by parliament.
That is one view he usurped the throne through his own political machinations - the offer by the three estates was the conclusion of a carefully orchestrated campaign that began as soon as his brother died. This whole year is hotly debated by medieval scholars and I come down on the side of usurpation.
I have to object to what you say about Richard III. There is much evidence as to how Richard's reputation was systematically ripped apart by his usurper and left to be repeated year on year. All done to strengthen the weak claim of Henry Tudor to get anywhere near the throne!
I went through a Ricardian phase, I was even a member of the Richard the Third society - then I came to a different view based on the evidence. Yes his reputation was trashed by the Tudors, but not wholly without justification. Yes Henry VII was also a usurper and not a pleasant figure and with the flimsiest of claims to the throne, but his action did stop civil war continuing. You can't make a saint out of either of them!
@@allanbarton Indeed. We do like to present both sides so people can make up their own minds, whenever possible. Opinions differ throughout time and history, as they say, is written by the victor. Thanks for responding.😄
Magnificent. Thank you Allan. I love the idea of the herb woman. 😊 😊😊
Thanks Chris, I think that's a role to revive.
@@allanbarton I definitely agree!! :D 🌿
The world is in for REAL ROYAL treat on the Coronation on that great day. I'm excited & can't wait for that Glorious day
Excellent, as usual, thank you.🏴🇬🇧
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it!
Yes! Excited! Can’t wait for the thick and fast videos lol!!😊
Another wonderful, thoughtful explanation of the intricacies of the coronation rite. It'll be great to have this knowledge filed away while watching next month.
For me, the most fortunate person in that procession may be the one carrying the coronation spoon in the pouch against his chest. He's entrusted with the vital task of keeping that ancient gem warm so that the King will not be startled by cold metal during his anointing (a much more glamorous version of a doctor warming the stethoscope 😃). I must also note that no one tops 17th century men for their impressive hairstyles and hats. They make fascinators look drab. 😄
I'm fascinated by the Herb Girls. Never heard about that and wonder if this is how "flower girls" came to develop for weddings?
It is the same sort of thing; I can't say which came first.
I think young girls have been petal strewing for VIPs since Ancient Egypt
Yes! I am getting very excited, Allan. The videos you continue to share only increase my hope that we will see many, if not all, the coronation customs and rituals restained by King Charles III. Thank you, once again, for shedding light on these wonderful and thoroughly English traditions.
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Infinitely fascinating, no matter how complicated it is (or perhaps because it is bafflingly complicated). Thank you!
A pleasure Cathy, it is all so wonderfully multi-layered - the effect of something building up over so many centuries.
@@allanbarton Hey Allan, new subscriber here! Wonderful video, is there anyway you could do an Old Mother Shipton video in future? I am a little obsessed with her. Thank you for sharing your talents here on youtube.
I am from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷
And waiting every day to watch king's coronation
Not long now.
Thank you. In the world we live in, this Coronation will add sparkle and dynamics ❤
Charles is a huge fan of Sir Hubert Parry, so I suspect that his setting of Psalm 122 will be played (as it has at every coronation since 1902), which definitely includes the Vivats. There has been a lot of speculation in the choral music world about how they'll fit in the syllables, being so used to the most-recently-published scores with "Regina Elizabetha" ingrained in everyone's rhythmic minds!
God bless the King and Queen from Memphis Tennessee USA 🐈🐾
Allan, your channel is brilliant. this is amazing work; really enjoying going through your catalogue! wishing you all the best
Thanks very much, glad you're enjoying my videos!
Thank you again Dr. Allan ❤🎉😊
My pleasure, thanks for watching 😊
Thank you so much! This background will surely prove useful for the Coronation next month.
I hope so! Glad you found it interesting.
C-Day is fast approaching!
Thank you for an excellent presentation.
Thank you Neil.
It's majestic and fantastic. I feel the weight of history. It will be a wonderful coronation.
King Charles is an exemplary monarch.
I look forward to the coronation.
The Japanese people hope that His Majesty the Emperor and Empress will attend the coronation ceremony, but unfortunately,the Japanese media is reporting that Prince and Princess Akishino will attend.
Very nicely done!
Thank you very much!
"... coming thick and fast..." 💪
Thank you for this detailed and fascinating insight into the coronation of British sovereigns Allan. Certainly nothing comes close to the pomp and ceremony of a British coronation! It will be fascinating to see what happens at the coronation of Charles III. I wonder what historical traditions will be woven into a 2023 coronation. Not long to go!
How you post a comment 8hrs before the video was posted ....I'm confused
@@oneileo66 I have a paid subscription to Allan’s channel and we see his videos before they are released to the general public.
@@annettewillis2797 that's so Kool, TNX
Long live elaborate Medieval Flummery!!
We need more of it.
@@allanbarton I do think traditions and ritual has meaning and magic . I am very Book of Common Prayer & Hymns A&M me
Such opulence such grandeur my goodness can't wait to see how it's going to turn out for Charles III!
Completely down graded. A farce. Hardly any celebrations in my area that weekend. Too much red tape to go through with our awful council to be bothered.
I adore you!💕 This is terrific 😍
Thank you so much!!
Thanks so much Allan! I will enjoy the coming coronation with all of its pomp and pageantry (diluted a bit). Y’all do tradition really well. 😉
Superb and informative. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Thanks for explaining the Westminster scholar salute. I watched Elizabeth II’s coronation about a month ago to know what to expect and loved the salute. It was so unexpected but came just at the right moment as she lifted her skirt to mount the dais. Perfect timing. But it was hard to make out what they were shouting. The Latin isn’t that hard to understand even without subtitles. But as is frequently the case with multiple voices in a large space, articulation is undercut by acoustics. They’ll have to fiddle with the meter for Vivat Rex, Vivat Rex Carollus. Not so much with Vivat Regina Camilla. I regret to say that there will be unkind misinterpretations of that. (In fact, if I were Charles, I’d just omit the salute for Camilla altogether. It’s too prone to farcification) I’m glad I’m not British so I have to pretend she’s an example of virtuous womanhood. Somehow, the two of them triumphing in the Abbey after their years of intrigue just feels icky to some of us. Well, anyway, thanks for the overview. Nicely done.
The date is fast approaching! Has the construction begun yet of any annexe in front of the West Door of the Abbey? If not they seem to be cutting things fine!
They can put things together much more quickly these days.
Not yet it seems, I'm wondering if they might put up a big marquee. Wouldn't surprise me. The Abbey is going to be closed for barely two weeks.
These talks of yours are so well informed and enjoyable to listen to. As history is gradually being re-written by the woke generation and neglected in schools, the treasures of our past seem left to one’s such as you to keep alive for as long as possible. More power to your elbow.
Lovely video. I have been reading about the role of the Prince of Wales in the coronation and did read Edward VIII took his Prince of Wales coronet? With him but it is now back. Any ideas of Williams role and attire? The walking procession would have been a sight to see
I was hoping for all the pomp and pageantry this coming coronation. Considering nobody has seen it happen in many decades. But it sounds like quite a bit of it has been "slimmed down". That's unfortunate in my opinion.
superb as ever
Thanks Scott.
Great job, Allan
Thanks very much!
Thank you, Allan.
My pleasure Terry, I hope you are well.
Very interesting as always. Has it been announced yet what changes have been made according to King Charles wish to modernize the Coronation?
Let’s go!
I am pretty sure the representatives from Normandy and Aquitaine represent when those Duchies were shared in title with the King of England, 1066 and 1204 respectively. The claim on the Kingdom of France as a whole would come later, beginning in ~1340.
Thank you for another very informative video. I will have to watch all the coronation focused videos again, and take notes, a couple of days prior to the event...my memory being too weak to remember all this info with enough precision. Especially the recent rituals, I am much better at 16th century history than at recent history
I'm glad no one processes barefoot these days!! It wouldn't be good if someone cuts their foot!!
Thanks again, Allan, for another VERY INTERESTING history lesson!! XXXX 💗👍❤🤴👸
Glad you enjoyed it!
i do think George IV looks rather fetching with his long, long, long train 😮
Doesn't he, his state robe was unlike any other as he'd based it on Napoleon's.
@@allanbarton A video on Napoleon's coronation perchance?
@@TT-zd6nr I think that might well be on the cards.
@@allanbarton well obviously they were very similar characters !
I was wondering about the Annexe. I hope they do build one, even if not as splendid as was the one built for Queen Elizabeth.
The intro and outro music is a superb choice. It compliments the fantastic content you provide, Allan. Sometimes after a video finishes, I repeat the outro. I'd love to know the name of the piece of music!
It's called "The Old Tower Inn". I love it too!
@@Wosiewose Thank you! :D
Thank you Dear Sir for Posting
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Love it
Thanks
Thank you.
These have been Amazing Allan when should we expect another one (no rush lol :) )
Later in the week, probably two by the weekend.
@@allanbarton I Cannot wait!
The mace as a "real weapon" is very interesting. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a clobbering. Lol
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I love your videos! What is the decoration the king wears about his neck in the last photo?
Dear Allan: Just discovered your site and glad I did. Can you tell me the pictures at 18:51 and 19:20 are from George V coronation or George VI. Closer look at the Queen Consorts crown looks an awful like Queen Mary's. Secondly, where can we find the actual overview map of the actual route for 2023. Thanks. Greetings Canada.
Hello Paul, they are from the coronation of George V - wonderful photos. Glad you've found the channel.
@@allanbarton Dear Allan: Thanks for your speedy reply. Has the press released a map of coronation route yet? Thanks.
OMG. How exhausting! All that processing dressed up to the nines. Who organized all this in those days.
unbelievable
Vivat Rex!
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You know, what you're doing is what the printers did back in the day who made all those diagrams with people in them and letters next to their heads and a legend/key in the corner to tell the reader who's who: you're describing and explaining everything that's going on. You're the modern engraver making those little pamphlets to be given out to people as their guide to everything that will be happening on the day.
And you know what that means -- in 300 years time, there's a chance that someone else will be doing the same thing in some other unimagined medium when the coronation of Edward the 19th or Elizabeth the 8th is being planned, and they will be walking their audience through your ancient explainer videos.
Is it true the coronation seating plan will be closer to that of a wedding instead of the traditional theatrical seating?
Did anyone know that, originally the king or queen in their own right would have stayed one night at the Tower of London before their coronation.
if i was a king long ago would it be strange for me to not ride a horse but ride a litter like queen elizabeth? or would they wonder what was wrong with me? 😀(i've been on a horse before and it was terrifying) [oh! it looks like sometimes the king can just walk...whew!]
Thanks a lot for this video. This is really interesting for a foreigner like me. I hope to hear the salute of the Westminster scholars, but i also hope that they know how to pronounce their latin. Unfortunately you butchered the latin quite totally. ;)
Thank you, but I really didn't. I pronounced it as it is traditionally pronounced in England and just as it will be pronounced, not in Italianate fashion. Latin pronunciation has always differed from country to country. The way liturgical Latin was pronounced in England also altered over time, credo, for example, was produced with a long rather than a short e before the Reformation.
The King never attended his Queen-consort's coronation, did he not?
Not if it were a separate event. They were usually crowned together.
@Bluebell Flora no she was crowned with her husband, she married James in 1673, twelve years before he came to the throne.
@Bluebell Flora I've got a video on the consorts coronation.
Please don't say that Richard III "usurped" the throne. It is simply not true. He was offered the crown by the Three Estates of the Realm, and that act was later confirmed by parliament.
That is one view he usurped the throne through his own political machinations - the offer by the three estates was the conclusion of a carefully orchestrated campaign that began as soon as his brother died. This whole year is hotly debated by medieval scholars and I come down on the side of usurpation.
@@allanbarton I'm sorry to heavily disagree with you on this subject.
@@dorisschneider-coutandin9965 yes, it is certainly greatly open to interpretation. That is the beauty of the discipline of history.
I have to object to what you say about Richard III. There is much evidence as to how Richard's reputation was systematically ripped apart by his usurper and left to be repeated year on year. All done to strengthen the weak claim of Henry Tudor to get anywhere near the throne!
I went through a Ricardian phase, I was even a member of the Richard the Third society - then I came to a different view based on the evidence. Yes his reputation was trashed by the Tudors, but not wholly without justification. Yes Henry VII was also a usurper and not a pleasant figure and with the flimsiest of claims to the throne, but his action did stop civil war continuing. You can't make a saint out of either of them!
@@allanbarton Indeed. We do like to present both sides so people can make up their own minds, whenever possible. Opinions differ throughout time and history, as they say, is written by the victor. Thanks for responding.😄
oooh cant wait to have a friend of savile on the throne
I'm sure the King knows the Earl of Mexborough and he may be at the coronation, but I'm not sure if they are friends.
@@allanbarton
Well done!
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