You just showed me why I will not by an EV. I couldn't imagine driving a 100 miles and being concerned about filling up. EV's have a long way to go in this country. Thanks for the video.
Just wondering but did you tell the car you would be cold weather charging by using the charging pre-conditioning option in the cars display? Reason i ask is it would explain why the first set of chargers did not work. When it is super cold it damages the battery but also causes lithium plating to build up inside the cells which is very dangerous and will eventually cause a battery fire and so the BMS will block charging to protect the battery, when you select the pre conditioning it tells the BMS that you intend to charge when it is cold and so it starts to basically warm up the battery pack in preparation. Why does this matter well older chargers while they can communicate with the cars BMS they can't tell the car to do anything and all they can do is read the ready state data of the battery BMS , and so if you roll up to one of these chargers without pre conditioning all it will do is read that the cars BMS is blocking charging ( due to the cold ) and it will give you the orange light, newer chargers have the ability to read more BMS data and can instruct the car to automatically turn on preconditioning when it is detected it is cold and so on the newer ones when you plug it it will communicate realize it is to cold but it will give you the ( i am working correctly light ) it will automatically turn on pre-conditioning warming up the battery using ether battery or charger power for a few min and then it starts charging.
I'm the video I mention the car used 4% of the battery preconditioning for the charger while the charger was still 100 miles away. It wasn't the car because I talked to 2 of the other drivers there that day and one told me the chargers had been broken all day. It was unusual but it happened. Still love my Model Y.
So what about the cold weather causes the chargers not to work? I would have thought the batteries would be the issue. They could build service stations for people to hang out at while their car charges. Sell food and drinks etc.
I'm not sure what the issue was with these. They are more complex than just a plug in as a few of my friends have suggested though due to all the two way communication that takes place with the car. Could be They got some moisture down in the connection points that froze and prevented the plug from talking to the car? I've seen a video with Out of Spec Motors that there was a big issue in Chicago with many of the charges not working, Tesla and other brands as well. About the service station idea, I'm with you there. I'd like to see charges go in at all the convenience stores where you normally buy gas.
We have an AWD Honda CRV we routinely get between 37 and 40 mpg. It's a nice car with all the options but not nearly as much fun to drive as the Tesla. We mostly use the Honda as my wife's commuter and take the Tesla everywhere else.
i like my EV a lot more for winter. getting in to a warm and defrosted car is SUCH a big plus compared to drive for 20 minutes to get the cab up to temp and paying out the nose for fuel makes no sense for me.
I appreciate these videos as they are a window into EV ownership. The primary advantage of an EV is the lack of tailpipe emissions. If you are lucky enough to live in an area with the required charging and cellular infrastructure an EV might be a great choice depending on your life situation. I can’t imagine owning an EV when I was working like a dog and raising children. I can imagine owning an EV now that I have fewer obligations and more discretionary time.
huh. I am up in Canada and I get why people complain about their EV's with our winters being near 6 month and colder. I guess those work better in southern states?
Cold weather definitely impacts the range but there are a lot of offsetting benefits. I love charging at home. Can preheat my car on schedule inside my garage, little to no general maintenance to pay for. I'm sold on electric cars and expect my next car will be electric as well.
I've owned electric since 2018 and the charging infrastructure has improved dramatically in that time. Definitely still have a ways to go but I'm sure my next car will be electric as well.
@@Coffee_Cars_and_Adventures when I was young, I had no money, so I drove cheap unreliable cars. I tried EV and had the same feeling and experience, I’ll never go back to that, now expensive and unreliable.
so how exactly did something "went wrong"? being slightly inconvenienced by driving 2 miles to another charger does not qualify for that clickbait title. and the reason why the car was more efficient is simply because the HVAC uses the heat from the battery (generated by the supercharger) to keep the cab warm wich you also had to heat up during the first leg. it had nothing to do with the wind.
@@Coffee_Cars_and_Adventures and the car has never been right since that option was implemented. the big discrepancy comes from the heat in the battery. use scanmytesla and you can see it.
It gives you the total number of charger and the number available. But I don't believe it specifies which may be disabled. I've had this car 3 years now and nearly 51k miles. Prior to this last trip, I think I've seen two prior superchargers that weren't working. It's just not that common.
still too expensive to go Electric, my car gives me 450 miles range with a 25 -30 bucks of gas on summer as well as winter, and its an 11 years old car. still running strong for a ford focus, only have to change the TCM every 100k miles an everything else its prefect.
This is clearly showing that charge network companies really need to get things together. Just that simple fact that you can not see if the charger is off without getting out and connecting. Green/red light on top of it would solve A LOT of this. Red = out of order. Green = Working. And they also needs to make chargers that can handle the weather. The weather you had was not bad at all. Almost warm =) (i'm from Sweden - in northern parts we hade -44,6C a week ago and this morning we had -18C here in southern part) Remember the first chargers here from Tesla - the cable was stiff as a stick in the cold. They obviously have NEVER tested the stuff in a climate chamber and in cold climate before launching. The same with their cars - all kinds of problems that occur in the cold humid weather we have here.
I agree there are opportunities for improvement. I have electric cars now since 2018 and the charging infrastructure is miles ahead of where it was a few years ago. So I'm optimistic.
Canada, January 2024. -45C air temperature, without wind factor. 7 days wait for a frozen car battery jump boost start. At xmas, it was above 0C and no snow. Sweden people will be fine to visit here LOL. Stay gold.
@@dnlmachine4287 Interesting that you talk about wind factor. I have noticed that a lot of the reports from USA always shows the temperature including wind factor. That is not a thing here. Under rare cases you can hear meteorologists and other talk about the wind factor, but the norm is to always tell the air temperature.
Lies, I track my mileage and range. I get better range in the winter than the summer in my full size Range Rover with a V8. ICE vehicles run more efficiently in cold weather. My Porsche Taycan (electric car) gets 40% less range in the winter and it gets even worse if you crank up the heat and use all the options. I would never take my family out in an electric car during a deep freeze. I don't trust them enough, especially the sorry ass charging network in this country. (USA)
What a flippin' PAIN IN THE A$$!!!! We live in Fargo, ND, & it obviously can get damn cold here!! There is NO WAY IN HELL I would get a freakin' EV!! I'll be the last Man on Earth to get one. I'm 62 now, & grew up farming. Nobody cared about gas-mileage then, & I could care less now. I have checked my 2015 Impala LTZ (3.6L V-6) occasionally at 75-80 mph speeds, & usually get 27mpg from Fargo to Mpls.
You just showed me why I will not by an EV. I couldn't imagine driving a 100 miles and being concerned about filling up. EV's have a long way to go in this country. Thanks for the video.
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Just wondering but did you tell the car you would be cold weather charging by using the charging pre-conditioning option in the cars display? Reason i ask is it would explain why the first set of chargers did not work. When it is super cold it damages the battery but also causes lithium plating to build up inside the cells which is very dangerous and will eventually cause a battery fire and so the BMS will block charging to protect the battery, when you select the pre conditioning it tells the BMS that you intend to charge when it is cold and so it starts to basically warm up the battery pack in preparation. Why does this matter well older chargers while they can communicate with the cars BMS they can't tell the car to do anything and all they can do is read the ready state data of the battery BMS , and so if you roll up to one of these chargers without pre conditioning all it will do is read that the cars BMS is blocking charging ( due to the cold ) and it will give you the orange light, newer chargers have the ability to read more BMS data and can instruct the car to automatically turn on preconditioning when it is detected it is cold and so on the newer ones when you plug it it will communicate realize it is to cold but it will give you the ( i am working correctly light ) it will automatically turn on pre-conditioning warming up the battery using ether battery or charger power for a few min and then it starts charging.
I'm the video I mention the car used 4% of the battery preconditioning for the charger while the charger was still 100 miles away. It wasn't the car because I talked to 2 of the other drivers there that day and one told me the chargers had been broken all day. It was unusual but it happened. Still love my Model Y.
I love a good story particularly when it's non-fiction unlike the "Tesla/ Musk bad" crowd.
So what about the cold weather causes the chargers not to work? I would have thought the batteries would be the issue.
They could build service stations for people to hang out at while their car charges. Sell food and drinks etc.
I'm not sure what the issue was with these. They are more complex than just a plug in as a few of my friends have suggested though due to all the two way communication that takes place with the car. Could be They got some moisture down in the connection points that froze and prevented the plug from talking to the car? I've seen a video with Out of Spec Motors that there was a big issue in Chicago with many of the charges not working, Tesla and other brands as well. About the service station idea, I'm with you there. I'd like to see charges go in at all the convenience stores where you normally buy gas.
That’s why I still have my Ford F150 for winter driving. I drive my Tesla Model 3 in Spring, summer and autumn.
We have an AWD Honda CRV we routinely get between 37 and 40 mpg. It's a nice car with all the options but not nearly as much fun to drive as the Tesla. We mostly use the Honda as my wife's commuter and take the Tesla everywhere else.
i like my EV a lot more for winter. getting in to a warm and defrosted car is SUCH a big plus compared to drive for 20 minutes to get the cab up to temp and paying out the nose for fuel makes no sense for me.
I appreciate these videos as they are a window into EV ownership. The primary advantage of an EV is the lack of tailpipe emissions. If you are lucky enough to live in an area with the required charging and cellular infrastructure an EV might be a great choice depending on your life situation.
I can’t imagine owning an EV when I was working like a dog and raising children.
I can imagine owning an EV now that I have fewer obligations and more discretionary time.
huh. I am up in Canada and I get why people complain about their EV's with our winters being near 6 month and colder. I guess those work better in southern states?
Cold weather definitely impacts the range but there are a lot of offsetting benefits. I love charging at home. Can preheat my car on schedule inside my garage, little to no general maintenance to pay for. I'm sold on electric cars and expect my next car will be electric as well.
Time is money, Electic cars are too expensive, not to mention to stressful.
I've owned electric since 2018 and the charging infrastructure has improved dramatically in that time. Definitely still have a ways to go but I'm sure my next car will be electric as well.
@@Coffee_Cars_and_Adventures when I was young, I had no money, so I drove cheap unreliable cars. I tried EV and had the same feeling and experience, I’ll never go back to that, now expensive and unreliable.
so how exactly did something "went wrong"? being slightly inconvenienced by driving 2 miles to another charger does not qualify for that clickbait title. and the reason why the car was more efficient is simply because the HVAC uses the heat from the battery (generated by the supercharger) to keep the cab warm wich you also had to heat up during the first leg. it had nothing to do with the wind.
Incorrect. The energy graph in the car specifically calls out the impact of the head wind or tail wind.
@@Coffee_Cars_and_Adventures and the car has never been right since that option was implemented. the big discrepancy comes from the heat in the battery. use scanmytesla and you can see it.
Does the app let you know to avoid non functioning chargers?
It gives you the total number of charger and the number available. But I don't believe it specifies which may be disabled. I've had this car 3 years now and nearly 51k miles. Prior to this last trip, I think I've seen two prior superchargers that weren't working. It's just not that common.
still too expensive to go Electric, my car gives me 450 miles range with a 25 -30 bucks of gas on summer as well as winter, and its an 11 years old car. still running strong for a ford focus, only have to change the TCM every 100k miles an everything else its prefect.
If you have an older car that's paid off you're happy with no need to spend money on a new one.
This is clearly showing that charge network companies really need to get things together.
Just that simple fact that you can not see if the charger is off without getting out and connecting.
Green/red light on top of it would solve A LOT of this. Red = out of order. Green = Working.
And they also needs to make chargers that can handle the weather. The weather you had was not bad at all. Almost warm =) (i'm from Sweden - in northern parts we hade -44,6C a week ago and this morning we had -18C here in southern part)
Remember the first chargers here from Tesla - the cable was stiff as a stick in the cold. They obviously have NEVER tested the stuff in a climate chamber and in cold climate before launching.
The same with their cars - all kinds of problems that occur in the cold humid weather we have here.
I agree there are opportunities for improvement. I have electric cars now since 2018 and the charging infrastructure is miles ahead of where it was a few years ago. So I'm optimistic.
Canada, January 2024. -45C air temperature, without wind factor. 7 days wait for a frozen car battery jump boost start. At xmas, it was above 0C and no snow. Sweden people will be fine to visit here LOL.
Stay gold.
@@dnlmachine4287 Interesting that you talk about wind factor. I have noticed that a lot of the reports from USA always shows the temperature including wind factor.
That is not a thing here. Under rare cases you can hear meteorologists and other talk about the wind factor, but the norm is to always tell the air temperature.
Some owners (you know who they are😊) didnt follow instructions.
I thought this was super informative! Thanks for the video!
Lies, I track my mileage and range. I get better range in the winter than the summer in my full size Range Rover with a V8. ICE vehicles run more efficiently in cold weather. My Porsche Taycan (electric car) gets 40% less range in the winter and it gets even worse if you crank up the heat and use all the options. I would never take my family out in an electric car during a deep freeze. I don't trust them enough, especially the sorry ass charging network in this country. (USA)
What a flippin' PAIN IN THE A$$!!!! We live in Fargo, ND, & it obviously can get damn cold here!! There is NO WAY IN HELL I would get a freakin' EV!! I'll be the last Man on Earth to get one. I'm 62 now, & grew up farming. Nobody cared about gas-mileage then, & I could care less now. I have checked my 2015 Impala LTZ (3.6L V-6) occasionally at 75-80 mph speeds, & usually get 27mpg from Fargo to Mpls.