A kind thing to do, Kyle. I can't image that most of us who own EV's are even remotely impacted financially by giving someone $10 worth of electricity. But it certainly was a positive impact for the woman driving the Leaf. So, way to go. A little kindness goes a long way, and one never knows when "the shoe might be on the other foot."
I work in retail & it’s not uncommon to encounter people who freaked out about technology & money. First of, hat off for the kindness he showed, no doubt about it. But people complaint they had no money, but qualified with a bank to buy a car & owned a credit card, raised some concerns about how they lived…
Yep glad he could help her. I only wonder how much more prevalent this is going to become as the masses start to adopt more and more EVs. I don’t remember who it was, though I think it was Engineering Explained who brought up a “grandma test” or if you would feel comfortable sticking your grandma into a car and trusting her to get from point A to point B. How many EVs would that apply to right now? At this point the majority of EV owners are still “early adopters” and are much more knowledgeable about EVs and charging stations, but as more people start to adopt them the more average joes you’ll get having these problems. Everything from different apps and cards to malfunctioning chargers and levels of EV charging, I just wonder how many EVs would pass the grandma test. And at this point it’s really just the supercharger network that I could feel comfortable putting my parents or grandparents into and trusting they’ll arrive at their destination right now. Companies need to stop requiring different apps to use their chargers. They need to invest more upkeep in existing chargers. They need to make it more readily apparent what speed/level a charger charges at. I’m a huge proponent of EVs but rushing into it without having the existing infrastructure is just a recipe for disaster
@@philorgneopolotin8762 I think Tesla supercharging would pass the grandma test. There's literally nothing to do except to plug it in. A lot of older folks don't even know what apps to launch, what to do if apps don't work, or ask you to log in, or if the cell signal is spotty. This is one of the biggest selling point of Teslas. It just works.
Good timing on being there to help her out! I had a similar experience on my first Tesla road trip a couple months ago- I was at the Grove City PA SC at around midnight, and saw a white Model Y circling around the stores adjacent. I went in to use the rest room and only needed about 5 min of charge to get to my destination. When I came back out, the Y was parked next to me, and there was an older lady standing by my car and she asked if it was mine- I figured she had backed into my car or something- but it turned out her and her husband had been stranded there for about 4 hours. They were driving from Toronto, Canada to Miami, FL to help out her daughter with the delivery of the new-to-them Model Y- unfortunately it had been under free supercharging so they assumed it always charged for free- they had one free stop after they entered the US, but when they got to Grove City it was back to paid charging. However they couldn't figure out how to activate the SC charging. Thankfully they had dealer paperwork and temporary tags that I was able to help them set up a new Tesla account and get into the automated account switching system and Tesla's systems approved the car for their account and they were then able to charge- but they were in a really tough spot. It was a cold night, they had about 3% left, and all the hotels were now out of their range. I was glad to be able to get them up and running- I'm glad to not have to deal with the card dip/swipe/scan of CCS/Chademo chargers, but in that moment, not being able to add a CC to the Tesla car system itself was a huge issue. I left at around 2:30am by the time I got them charging.
I have 110,000 miles on my 2018 Long Range RWD and my 70mph power usage is around 250-260 WH/mile at 70 degrees outside, around 240-250 miles in total highway range. i estimate i have around 68KwH of usable capacity left (down from 75). still very usable range for my needs
You are seriously one of the kindest people I've seen! I'm glad you were able to help that woman and how friendly you are with people you meet at chargers.
I’m glad you helped that lady, and I imagine that’s the right thing to do if you have to sit there with them and charge… but I run into this CONSTANTLY at gas stations. People beg. I hope that doesn’t come to EVs too.
Ah yeah, the famed gas grifters. Pretty weird encounter, I had it figured we'd just wind up with more who just get by via plugging into random unguarded wall outlets to get free electricity. At least the story is more believable with an old generation leaf, they are cheap and some of them have suffered pretty bad battery degradation so it's not inconceivable that she actually just bought what she could afford and had a run of bad luck.
I really wish telsa would go back to making rwd long range versions of their cars. Some of us would gladly take that extra efficiency & big boost in range and give up that .5 seconds or so of 0-60 speed.
@@williamofarrell6641 Drove my 2018 LR RWD Model 3 (rare Silver Metallic) for almost 4-years before selling earlier this year and as long as the tire tread was decent there were no issues with light snow and ice here in NJ. Ran the OEM MXM4's, then some X-ICE- winters for a bit, and ended with some my current favs, the CrossClimate 2's which are a true all-weather tire. Honestly how much snow can you drive in with a car with low ground clearance anyways, plus and mine was an extra inch lower on Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Anyways, traded my 18' in for a local 19' Stealth Performance 3 and man I didn't know I was missing haha Loving the extra dual-motor grip when pushing it hard around turns and the straight line performance was really shocking the first few times from a dead stop compared to my LR RWD... 3.1s vs. 4.8ish is HUGE! You don't really feel it in normal round town driving, but when you get on to pass or and onramp you KNOW that Performance juice is there!
I started to watch your video during the start of COVID and I really love the way you always willing to share information about tesla during your road-trips or range test trips. I have a 2020 model 3 and I wish I had waited a year for the bigger battery😩It’s indeed a huge upgrade.
Kyle, you're a champ for helping the lady out. I had a similar experience a few years ago turning up to a motorway services one evening. In those days there was only one charger. A lady was already parked in a LEAF but on the phone, obviously in distress and desperately trying to get help. Long story short, I tapped my RFID card to start her charge. Then she offered to buy me coffee in the services and talked about how she was on her way to visit family and the LEAF was a loaner car for a few days from the dealer to see how she liked it. They hadn't given her any advice about how to charge on the road or the RFID cards she'd need. She was thinking of calling for a flatbed. When we finished chatting she was back up to 90% and grateful but I really don't think it was the introduction to EVs she expected, and there's so much more help she could have been given by the dealer to educate and prepare her for charging on longer journeys. These days thankfully most places accept contactless bank cards, but still after a few failed chargers it's easy to max out on pre-authorization fees and the card gets refused. I've had that happen to me and it's only because I had my phone with my card registered in Google Pay that I could start the charge using effectively a different card number. Also we now have some 24 hour helplines and they can usually start a charge remotely. However, these assume you can talk and listen, so for deaf and/or dumb EV drivers they still don't have a way to call for help unless they find another human.
What happened with that lady reminds me of the videos and stories on reddit and elsewhere where the charger or app mess up and won't accept your card, etc. Your dad had problems with chargers down in Florida IIRC. You're a good man.
34:52 Great that you helped this EV user! EVs could be confusing for new drivers, we really need to help each other like you did if we want everyone being moving forward with electrification! We are all in this together! 🔌⚡🚘
@@rimtasvilnietis2991 I’m a big BMW fan, I have a 2010 E60 550i passed down to me from my dad and have a Model X 100D. I appreciate the best of both cars, the headlights on my E60 are amazing. Really glad Tesla finally improving these things.
Good on you for helping that LEAF owner, Kyle. It's a sad reminder of challenges faced by many EV owners with a complicated and insufficient charging infrastructure in some regions. Hopefully Tesla will open its network to other brands soon, and adaptors are available for EV owners that really need additional reliable stations to travel safely.
Thank you for helping that LEAF owner. I feel bad for her, because it's not the car, but the unreliability of so many CCS/CHAdeMO stations and providers. Hopefully this will improve over the next few years.
My model S has the energy graph in the tool box with the latest software update. I set it to be one of the 4 icons at the bottom. It used to be in the settings
Would love to see a 2022 RWD tested, it’s the one I ordered and I’m really interested on the real world range, from what I’ve seen though, it’s insanely efficient.
I feel the lady is just one of many new ev owners that are going to go through this. Huge Kudos to you Kyle as that move speaks volumes about the Tesla community and our willingness to help other new ev owners, even if it’s not a Tesla.
Since he was operating a Tesla and she had no history on out of spec I was inclined to suggest she felt he was a Tesla owner(Tesla community). It could however be viewed as Ev community.
Could you do this same test but plug your destination in as a SuperCharger for the entire trip. I would love to see how much power you lose if the car preconditions while you are driving. I have seen "Preconditioning" pull as much as 11KW while I am in park in my 2022 Model 3 Performance.
I love these reviews and you Range test are 100% on point. Keep up the great work. It would be great if you had a location to save all your results so that we could quickly look at them without going through all the videos.
280 miles is wild! I have a 2019 TM3LR and I feel like I'm at 5%-10% after 200 miles. Not sure if it's my battery being terrible already or what but I can't imagine getting anywhere close to that.
I've also got a 2019 model 3 LR awd, and I get about the same range as you. 54k miles on mine. I also have the 18" wheels, no aero caps, with crossclimate 2 tires (which definitely impact range)
20:31 My 21' Model 3 SR+ had the same issue with Autopilot . it happened when I tried to engage too fast. i.e. it didn't detect the lanes fast enough and I pressed the stalk down to many times. i have to pull over, park get out shut door and then opened door got back in and worked fine afterwards. lmao 22:00 AP is working now. 22:40 High BEams are now required for AP siince they switched to Vision Cars(Cars without Radar- May 21' and newer)
I just got a 2020 Model 3 in Europe and it comes with a CCS connector on the car, much easier than the Tesla-specific connector in the US! Maybe you can buy the part that sits behind the charge port cover separately and retrofit on your car...
I have been following you for a long time and sub'd... but not sure how you only have 75k subs. Great content and so knowledgable. Excited for you to hit 100k
I'm planning on doing a long USA tour with my new 22 Model S Plaid. I'd like to see that test. Also did you ever test the Tesla cars in Chill Mode instead of the standard or performance modes? My Plaid seems to get better mileage stretch in Chill but I'm not sure.
I appreciate these range tests that give more realistic numbers than EPA. Having moved from California to Colorado myself I’ve noticed 15% better fuel economy from my ICE vehicles likely from the decreased air resistance, improved volumetric efficiency and decreased power output at altitude. I would think EV vehicles would benefit to some degree from the decreased air resistance. Have you noticed improved EV range at this altitude compared to sea level?
So the stated range on a 2022 model 3 performance is supposed to be around 315 miles and you got 280 miles out of the ful charge charge. Is the drop off mainly from going the constant 70mph? What circumstance gets you the full 315 miles. Thanks, great video!
Right there is loss at highway speeds due to wind resistance. I remember hearing that while combustion cars are most efficient around 55 mph, EV’s get the most range around 22-25 mph due to much less wind resistance and the electric motor not having multiple gears.
Also, the 315 stated range is based on a mix of highway driving and city driving. So its gives more range. Also, radio, phone charging, A/C...etc all eats at the battery.
Hello, TY for the content. What was the weather conditions like temperature wise and was it a flat road? I found on my M3P that topography and temperature has a big difference. I also noticed that going 75 mph from 70 mph makes a big difference. One final thing I noticed is that driving with one other person in the car, reduces the range quite a bit.
I drove my 2018 LR RWD about 5+ miles BELOW 0% SOC in 20-degree weather a few years ago trying to stretch to the next Supercharger in NH. Not recommended or fun, turned off all heat and audio, crawling in to charge as my car constantly told me to stop...so yeah been there done that. haha That was also my single longest stretch, 246ish miles, at obviously not ideal temps well below zero.
Great video man! The lady in the Leaf is an example of the masses getting into EVs. Sign of the times.. some people have no clue what they are getting into and shouldnt own an EV.
Great test... Wow those headlights are amazing. A little concerning about the lane departure not working.. and the AP / Cruise quitting. But looks like an amazing improvement in the car. Love the content... Keep up the great work.
Departing at 100%, you're right that LFP will do well. But when you're on a road trip subsequent charges will be ~80% for both LFP RWD and AWD. So there's still an advantage for longer trips for the LR models.
We should be beyond the days of paper/PDF manuals--new EVs should come with 20-30 minutes of short videos made by passionate people like you who can just advise people on all the quirks of owning an EV. Make the transition easier for people who are leaving their gas cars behind.
Great content as always. It is amazing how speed affects range and efficiency. I was able to get 171 Wh/mi for 12 miles at an average speed of 60 mph by using the S3XY buttons to disable regen completely and coast in my 2022 Model 3 Performance. This wasn’t downhill either. The start elevation was equal to the finish elevation. However, it did have a significant downhill section that allowed me to increase speed while coasting. Hypermiling can be extremely affective in increasing range. It would be great to see a test like this at a slower speed to see how it compares.
@@TechAndHobby the full response would take a video to explain fully. However, it all boils down to maintaining a constant speed is the most efficient way to drive for a given average speed. If the downhill portion is the right angle and your speed is low enough you can maintain that average speed while coasting on those downhill parts while expending almost zero energy. According to my testing disabling regen completely with the S3XY buttons appears to not only allow the front axle to “coast” freely but it also appears to allow the rear axle to do something similar. The lack of friction when coasting with regen disabled is uncanny. You can’t coast behind ICE cars like this because you will always need to overtake them. My hope is that other people will test this method and see if they can determine what exactly the motors do while truly coasting. In all of my testing there has been a significant difference in efficiency between coasting with regen turned off completely as opposed to trying to balance in coasting while regen is active. Those two things do not appear to be equal. I hope others will help confirm that.
@@justinstewart3248 the newer cars do not allow you to disable regen. The Performance model 3 cars have “Track” mode that does allow you to control regen but that mode is less efficient. Instead I bought some aftermarket OB2 buttons called “S3XY buttons”. Just look those up. They allow you to control the car in ways you can’t by default.
@@LearningFast thank you so much. I thought maybe you had put the car into DFU mode or something and modded the regen characteristics. I have the exact same car as you, so I assume this will work? And you’re noticing a real world increase in range?
I really like the model 3 and want to buy one, but the road trip logistics have me thinking twice. Filling up with gas is so much more convenient than waiting hours for a battery to charge.
Honestly, it’s a paradigm shift. I used to think the same thing. But now, I would never willingly go back to gasoline. I have done long multi-state road trips, long daily commutes of 97 miles, as well as regular daily driver type 15 to 20 miles to stores etc. I have never had to wait even one hour for a charge. Most of my charging is at home overnight, so less than 10 seconds to plug and unplug on days that I charge the car. But on long road trips using the superchargers, I usually get a meal or bathroom break while it charges, which takes at or under 30 minutes. The great bonus no one seems to talk about is that there are a ton of FREE destination chargers at places like restaurants, hotels, even Whole Foods where you can charge while you shop, or eat or overnight at the hotel. These are pretty much the same as my wall connector at home, and I try to use them whenever available.
How were you able to get autopilot to work again? Mine, ironically is doing the exact same thing rn and won’t fix itself even after hard resets and so forth..
Do you miss North Carolina? Traffic sucks.... This drive looks so good. You can't find highways and pleasant drives like this in NC anymore. Too many people....
1:11 Porsche Cayman owner doing it right. Love to see that. The double pane glass started with the '21 I believe - I have that in my M3P - I do like those new door cards which I didn't get in my early 2021 model (purchased last April).
Useful range, but 280 miles on 79kw is average for ev. From other tests the Tesla displayed energy used is upto 10% error, how much energy used to recharge battery?
you wrong. lithium batteries don't like to be neider high or low. 50% is storage voltage (3.65v per cell for li-ion and 3.8v for lipo). you should charge it to 70 or 80% and try not to go down below 40 or 50% on the daily bases.
Great video, the EPA estimate is prob inflated on most vehicles, this reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the car dealer rep drive the car until the last drop of gas haha. Really thinking of a M3 performance as a car and goal.
according to many owners on other platforms, might be similar. Many have stated when they go 75-80mph they are lucky to get mid 250 and above range. especially if you factor in ACTUAL real world range where I believe you arent supposed to full charge or fully deplete the battery and given the battery degradation, the calculation going 75-80mph on a LR M3 is 220-240 at best if you factor those in. I almost feel bamboozled as I was about to buy a M3 LR excited about the 340+ range, then realize that was based on going 50mph in perfect conditions.
Great test other than the AP glitch. Did Nissan provide an EVSE with the leaf❓Could lend piece of mind when cash flow is interrupted or slow; which ever the case was. Thanks for the video and helping hand. 👍🏼
We have a Fall of 2021 DMLR Tesla Model 3 and have the same issues with the cruise control/ autopilot intermittently working. It's a pain, especially on a long trip! The auto high beams are a part of the 'vision only' auto pilot system as well....not fun in traffic as people flash you constantly. I'm not sure 'vision only' is ready for prime time IMHO.
If we do multiple short trips and look at the “trips” tab to see how much kwh has been used. Divide it by the percentage battery consumed since last charge to get the battery capacity. Is that a right way ? Cause I’m getting 60-65kwh using the above technique for my m3p 2600 miles (3 months old). How is it different than 100-0 trip ?
32:20, better turning radius? Can you test this, it is my biggest negative on the Model 3. Here in Europe you need better turning radius than the old Model 3 gives you.
19:25 That may be due to when autopilot says to touch the wheel and "apply force". After 3 separate audible warnings, it locks autopilot for the remainder of the drive. Happened to me once when I was driving from LA to Vegas, and I'll admit I wasn't paying attention and after 3 audible chimes, it locked autopilot. It's a safety feature to ensure drivers are attentive. Not sure if that's what happened here but it could be.
A kind thing to do, Kyle. I can't image that most of us who own EV's are even remotely impacted financially by giving someone $10 worth of electricity. But it certainly was a positive impact for the woman driving the Leaf. So, way to go. A little kindness goes a long way, and one never knows when "the shoe might be on the other foot."
I work in retail & it’s not uncommon to encounter people who freaked out about technology & money. First of, hat off for the kindness he showed, no doubt about it. But people complaint they had no money, but qualified with a bank to buy a car & owned a credit card, raised some concerns about how they lived…
LOL wastes money on an EV then cant afford to charge it .
really shows how dumb these idiots are
Really great you were able to be there and help that lady out at the end, never know what other people are dealing with 🙏
Was it Amber Heard???
@@alexnutcasio936 noooo 😭😭😂😂
That could never happen with a Tesla Supercharger
@@teslasnek Plug n Play??? Yeah, it is really simple....
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The more I watch your videos on range, the less range anxiety I have. Thanks for the vids.
Awesome of you to help that poor lady out at the end Kyle. Good things come to good people.
Yep glad he could help her. I only wonder how much more prevalent this is going to become as the masses start to adopt more and more EVs. I don’t remember who it was, though I think it was Engineering Explained who brought up a “grandma test” or if you would feel comfortable sticking your grandma into a car and trusting her to get from point A to point B. How many EVs would that apply to right now?
At this point the majority of EV owners are still “early adopters” and are much more knowledgeable about EVs and charging stations, but as more people start to adopt them the more average joes you’ll get having these problems. Everything from different apps and cards to malfunctioning chargers and levels of EV charging, I just wonder how many EVs would pass the grandma test.
And at this point it’s really just the supercharger network that I could feel comfortable putting my parents or grandparents into and trusting they’ll arrive at their destination right now. Companies need to stop requiring different apps to use their chargers. They need to invest more upkeep in existing chargers. They need to make it more readily apparent what speed/level a charger charges at. I’m a huge proponent of EVs but rushing into it without having the existing infrastructure is just a recipe for disaster
@@philorgneopolotin8762 I think Tesla supercharging would pass the grandma test. There's literally nothing to do except to plug it in. A lot of older folks don't even know what apps to launch, what to do if apps don't work, or ask you to log in, or if the cell signal is spotty. This is one of the biggest selling point of Teslas. It just works.
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Good timing on being there to help her out! I had a similar experience on my first Tesla road trip a couple months ago- I was at the Grove City PA SC at around midnight, and saw a white Model Y circling around the stores adjacent. I went in to use the rest room and only needed about 5 min of charge to get to my destination. When I came back out, the Y was parked next to me, and there was an older lady standing by my car and she asked if it was mine- I figured she had backed into my car or something- but it turned out her and her husband had been stranded there for about 4 hours. They were driving from Toronto, Canada to Miami, FL to help out her daughter with the delivery of the new-to-them Model Y- unfortunately it had been under free supercharging so they assumed it always charged for free- they had one free stop after they entered the US, but when they got to Grove City it was back to paid charging. However they couldn't figure out how to activate the SC charging. Thankfully they had dealer paperwork and temporary tags that I was able to help them set up a new Tesla account and get into the automated account switching system and Tesla's systems approved the car for their account and they were then able to charge- but they were in a really tough spot. It was a cold night, they had about 3% left, and all the hotels were now out of their range. I was glad to be able to get them up and running- I'm glad to not have to deal with the card dip/swipe/scan of CCS/Chademo chargers, but in that moment, not being able to add a CC to the Tesla car system itself was a huge issue. I left at around 2:30am by the time I got them charging.
What a story, thank you for sharing. Just know, helping one person at a time comes back around.
I have 110,000 miles on my 2018 Long Range RWD and my 70mph power usage is around 250-260 WH/mile at 70 degrees outside, around 240-250 miles in total highway range. i estimate i have around 68KwH of usable capacity left (down from 75). still very usable range for my needs
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Are you going to need a battery replacement?
@@mikelaary911 me? Nah I'm doing fine I'm at 140,000 miles now. Almost the same usable capacity as when I was at 110,000 from my testing.
@@ChrisandKnight wow that’s amazing , can’t wait to get a mode y next year
How was maintenance I kinda want one idk if it’s worth it
I have a 2023 Model 3 Performance that I bought back in Feb 2023 and I just love the car so much and I love watching all the videos on it lol
You are seriously one of the kindest people I've seen! I'm glad you were able to help that woman and how friendly you are with people you meet at chargers.
I’m glad you helped that lady, and I imagine that’s the right thing to do if you have to sit there with them and charge…
but I run into this CONSTANTLY at gas stations. People beg. I hope that doesn’t come to EVs too.
Ah yeah, the famed gas grifters. Pretty weird encounter, I had it figured we'd just wind up with more who just get by via plugging into random unguarded wall outlets to get free electricity. At least the story is more believable with an old generation leaf, they are cheap and some of them have suffered pretty bad battery degradation so it's not inconceivable that she actually just bought what she could afford and had a run of bad luck.
The gas station con is to ask for cash. Letting her charge doesn't sound like the same con. Plus, the charging session is like $10.
The people who beg at gas stations rarely are looking for gas money.
It will
Gas stations don't have problems reading cards or connecting to dumb apps. Charging stations do all the time. Also you can't charge with cash
I really wish telsa would go back to making rwd long range versions of their cars. Some of us would gladly take that extra efficiency & big boost in range and give up that .5 seconds or so of 0-60 speed.
Maybe an option, but the LR needs AWD or FWD. Rear wheel is a nightmare for people who live where it snows.
@@williamofarrell6641 Model 3 is rear wheel drive like the BMW 3 series... Just part of the goal of the car to drive like a small sporty car...
They've used rear wheel drive model s's in Norway for years in the snow, worked well out there for them with proper tires
@@williamofarrell6641
The LR IS a 2 motor car.
@@williamofarrell6641 Drove my 2018 LR RWD Model 3 (rare Silver Metallic) for almost 4-years before selling earlier this year and as long as the tire tread was decent there were no issues with light snow and ice here in NJ. Ran the OEM MXM4's, then some X-ICE- winters for a bit, and ended with some my current favs, the CrossClimate 2's which are a true all-weather tire. Honestly how much snow can you drive in with a car with low ground clearance anyways, plus and mine was an extra inch lower on Eibach Pro-Kit springs.
Anyways, traded my 18' in for a local 19' Stealth Performance 3 and man I didn't know I was missing haha Loving the extra dual-motor grip when pushing it hard around turns and the straight line performance was really shocking the first few times from a dead stop compared to my LR RWD... 3.1s vs. 4.8ish is HUGE! You don't really feel it in normal round town driving, but when you get on to pass or and onramp you KNOW that Performance juice is there!
I started to watch your video during the start of COVID and I really love the way you always willing to share information about tesla during your road-trips or range test trips. I have a 2020 model 3 and I wish I had waited a year for the bigger battery😩It’s indeed a huge upgrade.
Kyle, you're a champ for helping the lady out.
I had a similar experience a few years ago turning up to a motorway services one evening. In those days there was only one charger. A lady was already parked in a LEAF but on the phone, obviously in distress and desperately trying to get help. Long story short, I tapped my RFID card to start her charge. Then she offered to buy me coffee in the services and talked about how she was on her way to visit family and the LEAF was a loaner car for a few days from the dealer to see how she liked it. They hadn't given her any advice about how to charge on the road or the RFID cards she'd need. She was thinking of calling for a flatbed.
When we finished chatting she was back up to 90% and grateful but I really don't think it was the introduction to EVs she expected, and there's so much more help she could have been given by the dealer to educate and prepare her for charging on longer journeys.
These days thankfully most places accept contactless bank cards, but still after a few failed chargers it's easy to max out on pre-authorization fees and the card gets refused. I've had that happen to me and it's only because I had my phone with my card registered in Google Pay that I could start the charge using effectively a different card number.
Also we now have some 24 hour helplines and they can usually start a charge remotely. However, these assume you can talk and listen, so for deaf and/or dumb EV drivers they still don't have a way to call for help unless they find another human.
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What happened with that lady reminds me of the videos and stories on reddit and elsewhere where the charger or app mess up and won't accept your card, etc.
Your dad had problems with chargers down in Florida IIRC.
You're a good man.
would be interesting to see how the range for the 2022 Model 3 Performance does on 18" rims!
18" Martian Wheels with Pirelli P-Zero All Season Electric tires would be good.
34:52 Great that you helped this EV user!
EVs could be confusing for new drivers, we really need to help each other like you did if we want everyone being moving forward with electrification!
We are all in this together! 🔌⚡🚘
Those headlights seem like a massive improvement, I’m very jealous lol.
Headlights, heat pump, Ryzen, no light bleed in blinker camera etc.
All tech was long ago in bmw
BMW has introduced this technology in 1998 the 7 series.
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@@rimtasvilnietis2991 I’m a big BMW fan, I have a 2010 E60 550i passed down to me from my dad and have a Model X 100D. I appreciate the best of both cars, the headlights on my E60 are amazing. Really glad Tesla finally improving these things.
Good on you for helping that LEAF owner, Kyle. It's a sad reminder of challenges faced by many EV owners with a complicated and insufficient charging infrastructure in some regions. Hopefully Tesla will open its network to other brands soon, and adaptors are available for EV owners that really need additional reliable stations to travel safely.
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wdym? electrify america is fine buddy, it's because she has a shitty nissan leaf and has no money
It's a nissan leaf. That's to be expected. Look what happened when Kyle bought one. He became that female.
Good news they opened them to everyone else.
Thank you for helping that LEAF owner. I feel bad for her, because it's not the car, but the unreliability of so many CCS/CHAdeMO stations and providers. Hopefully this will improve over the next few years.
My model S has the energy graph in the tool box with the latest software update. I set it to be one of the 4 icons at the bottom. It used to be in the settings
Would love to see a 2022 RWD tested, it’s the one I ordered and I’m really interested on the real world range, from what I’ve seen though, it’s insanely efficient.
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@@kristelarabit3511 how does this comment help
it's not bad, the RWD doesn't save much over AWD
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I feel the lady is just one of many new ev owners that are going to go through this. Huge Kudos to you Kyle as that move speaks volumes about the Tesla community and our willingness to help other new ev owners, even if it’s not a Tesla.
You mean EV community?
Since he was operating a Tesla and she had no history on out of spec I was inclined to suggest she felt he was a Tesla owner(Tesla community). It could however be viewed as Ev community.
Could you do this same test but plug your destination in as a SuperCharger for the entire trip. I would love to see how much power you lose if the car preconditions while you are driving. I have seen "Preconditioning" pull as much as 11KW while I am in park in my 2022 Model 3 Performance.
I noticed a HUGE difference between my 2020 M3P and my 22 MYP. DEF some build quality improvements
I love these reviews and you Range test are 100% on point. Keep up the great work. It would be great if you had a location to save all your results so that we could quickly look at them without going through all the videos.
You are a kind person helping others. The way I think about is what if that were me that was desperate for help. Be good to each other out there!
Way to be a good Samaritan.
Thank you for helping that lady at the charge station. You are a hero today!
280 miles is wild! I have a 2019 TM3LR and I feel like I'm at 5%-10% after 200 miles. Not sure if it's my battery being terrible already or what but I can't imagine getting anywhere close to that.
I've also got a 2019 model 3 LR awd, and I get about the same range as you. 54k miles on mine. I also have the 18" wheels, no aero caps, with crossclimate 2 tires (which definitely impact range)
What is you sped? I know 70 is slow compared to my normal speed 😂 I definitely won’t get 280 miles
Waiting on 2022 model Y LR performance testing
20:31 My 21' Model 3 SR+ had the same issue with Autopilot . it happened when I tried to engage too fast. i.e. it didn't detect the lanes fast enough and I pressed the stalk down to many times. i have to pull over, park get out shut door and then opened door got back in and worked fine afterwards. lmao 22:00 AP is working now. 22:40 High BEams are now required for AP siince they switched to Vision Cars(Cars without Radar- May 21' and newer)
Auto high beams are turned on when autopilot is engage but you can push the left stock forward to turn off high beams
@@priceburnett This is correct
I just got a 2020 Model 3 in Europe and it comes with a CCS connector on the car, much easier than the Tesla-specific connector in the US! Maybe you can buy the part that sits behind the charge port cover separately and retrofit on your car...
I have been following you for a long time and sub'd... but not sure how you only have 75k subs. Great content and so knowledgable. Excited for you to hit 100k
I'm planning on doing a long USA tour with my new 22 Model S Plaid. I'd like to see that test. Also did you ever test the Tesla cars in Chill Mode instead of the standard or performance modes? My Plaid seems to get better mileage stretch in Chill but I'm not sure.
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Love to see the Hummer EV range on this loop. That thing is a brick on wheels! Lol
People like bricks……
@@alexnutcasio936 until it cuts 60% of your range at highway speeds……
@@mt2nv1 most of them are driven in city/close suburban areas anyway. The guys who buy them love the front end brick.
@@alexnutcasio936 agreed. Just have to laugh at the off-road focus.
I appreciate these range tests that give more realistic numbers than EPA. Having moved from California to Colorado myself I’ve noticed 15% better fuel economy from my ICE vehicles likely from the decreased air resistance, improved volumetric efficiency and decreased power output at altitude. I would think EV vehicles would benefit to some degree from the decreased air resistance. Have you noticed improved EV range at this altitude compared to sea level?
Gasoline formulations are regional. California gas is the worst.
So the stated range on a 2022 model 3 performance is supposed to be around 315 miles and you got 280 miles out of the ful charge charge. Is the drop off mainly from going the constant 70mph? What circumstance gets you the full 315 miles. Thanks, great video!
Right there is loss at highway speeds due to wind resistance. I remember hearing that while combustion cars are most efficient around 55 mph, EV’s get the most range around 22-25 mph due to much less wind resistance and the electric motor not having multiple gears.
Also, the 315 stated range is based on a mix of highway driving and city driving. So its gives more range. Also, radio, phone charging, A/C...etc all eats at the battery.
How much was the rock gray wrap??
So how did you get the autopilot to work again
Glad you were there for the Leaf owner! Great video in general.
I love how the display shows the surrounding cars.
6:53 to skip the ad
Feature rich in commentary, loved it. Thanks.
Good for you! You were a hero for her. Commendable! ....subscribed!
Hello, TY for the content. What was the weather conditions like temperature wise and was it a flat road? I found on my M3P that topography and temperature has a big difference. I also noticed that going 75 mph from 70 mph makes a big difference. One final thing I noticed is that driving with one other person in the car, reduces the range quite a bit.
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Please let me know the color of the wrap. Thank you
I drove my 2018 LR RWD about 5+ miles BELOW 0% SOC in 20-degree weather a few years ago trying to stretch to the next Supercharger in NH. Not recommended or fun, turned off all heat and audio, crawling in to charge as my car constantly told me to stop...so yeah been there done that. haha That was also my single longest stretch, 246ish miles, at obviously not ideal temps well below zero.
Glad you did it so I didn’t have to do it in my own.. thanks from fellow Tesla owners
Great video man! The lady in the Leaf is an example of the masses getting into EVs. Sign of the times.. some people have no clue what they are getting into and shouldnt own an EV.
Needs a reliable system and education.
I'm planning to put Martian MW03s on my M3P. I'm wanting to know the difference in distance.
Any phantom braking???
I wonder if my 2018 has some buffer. I rolled into a charger with "1 mile" left and I was surprised how much power it was still giving me
Great test... Wow those headlights are amazing. A little concerning about the lane departure not working.. and the AP / Cruise quitting. But looks like an amazing improvement in the car.
Love the content... Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the test, curious if this is a new or unique color for the M3P? I have not seen this color on their website. Thanks in advance.
I think that's the default Midnight Silver.
I’d be really curious to see how an LFP Model 3 does - I suspect 100% on LFP and 90% on LR AWD would be very close.
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Departing at 100%, you're right that LFP will do well. But when you're on a road trip subsequent charges will be ~80% for both LFP RWD and AWD. So there's still an advantage for longer trips for the LR models.
@@ByteSaidFred not if the curve is more aggressive on LFP
We should be beyond the days of paper/PDF manuals--new EVs should come with 20-30 minutes of short videos made by passionate people like you who can just advise people on all the quirks of owning an EV. Make the transition easier for people who are leaving their gas cars behind.
Those wheels really hurt range
At lower speeds they don’t hurt as much. However, at normal highway speeds like this they really do impede the car.
@@LearningFast lower speeds is also very noticeable. Around town on 18 inch wheels I see 120wh/km. On the 20 inch I see about 140-150
Great content as always. It is amazing how speed affects range and efficiency. I was able to get 171 Wh/mi for 12 miles at an average speed of 60 mph by using the S3XY buttons to disable regen completely and coast in my 2022 Model 3 Performance. This wasn’t downhill either. The start elevation was equal to the finish elevation. However, it did have a significant downhill section that allowed me to increase speed while coasting. Hypermiling can be extremely affective in increasing range. It would be great to see a test like this at a slower speed to see how it compares.
Can you explain why disabling regen will help in efficiency?
@@TechAndHobby the full response would take a video to explain fully. However, it all boils down to maintaining a constant speed is the most efficient way to drive for a given average speed. If the downhill portion is the right angle and your speed is low enough you can maintain that average speed while coasting on those downhill parts while expending almost zero energy. According to my testing disabling regen completely with the S3XY buttons appears to not only allow the front axle to “coast” freely but it also appears to allow the rear axle to do something similar. The lack of friction when coasting with regen disabled is uncanny. You can’t coast behind ICE cars like this because you will always need to overtake them.
My hope is that other people will test this method and see if they can determine what exactly the motors do while truly coasting. In all of my testing there has been a significant difference in efficiency between coasting with regen turned off completely as opposed to trying to balance in coasting while regen is active. Those two things do not appear to be equal. I hope others will help confirm that.
CAn you explain how to disable regen? I have your exact car and I there is obviously no menu option to do this. Didn’t know it was still possible
@@justinstewart3248 the newer cars do not allow you to disable regen. The Performance model 3 cars have “Track” mode that does allow you to control regen but that mode is less efficient. Instead I bought some aftermarket OB2 buttons called “S3XY buttons”. Just look those up. They allow you to control the car in ways you can’t by default.
@@LearningFast thank you so much. I thought maybe you had put the car into DFU mode or something and modded the regen characteristics. I have the exact same car as you, so I assume this will work? And you’re noticing a real world increase in range?
can you test model y perfromance
Where did you get this color?? Does Tesla offer it?
I really like the model 3 and want to buy one, but the road trip logistics have me thinking twice. Filling up with gas is so much more convenient than waiting hours for a battery to charge.
Honestly, it’s a paradigm shift. I used to think the same thing. But now, I would never willingly go back to gasoline. I have done long multi-state road trips, long daily commutes of 97 miles, as well as regular daily driver type 15 to 20 miles to stores etc. I have never had to wait even one hour for a charge. Most of my charging is at home overnight, so less than 10 seconds to plug and unplug on days that I charge the car. But on long road trips using the superchargers, I usually get a meal or bathroom break while it charges, which takes at or under 30 minutes. The great bonus no one seems to talk about is that there are a ton of FREE destination chargers at places like restaurants, hotels, even Whole Foods where you can charge while you shop, or eat or overnight at the hotel. These are pretty much the same as my wall connector at home, and I try to use them whenever available.
Did this new and improved performance model 3 started as 2022 model or 2021 is the same?
Super curious what the 22 long range does. Hopefully one of your viewers has one! My M3LR is a 2019 so not the bigger pack sadly
How were you able to get autopilot to work again? Mine, ironically is doing the exact same thing rn and won’t fix itself even after hard resets and so forth..
Awesome content. Curious why you don’t pick a stretch with Tesla superchargers?
Prediction before watching the video: 282 miles
Turns out that was a pretty close guess!
Excellent video!
the wrap on that M3 is awesome!
We gon ignore the charging station named Kum & Go
What kind of wrap is that? Looks awesome
I am interested in the Lucid Air Pure version. Hopefully later this year you can get get one to test the range.
Do you miss North Carolina? Traffic sucks.... This drive looks so good. You can't find highways and pleasant drives like this in NC anymore. Too many people....
That efficiency is crazy. How is it rated for over 300 then?
Subbed because A.) I’m seriously considering this exact vehicle in red multi-coat, and 2.) content is good stuff!
1:11 Porsche Cayman owner doing it right. Love to see that.
The double pane glass started with the '21 I believe - I have that in my M3P - I do like those new door cards which I didn't get in my early 2021 model (purchased last April).
Useful range, but 280 miles on 79kw is average for ev. From other tests the Tesla displayed energy used is upto 10% error, how much energy used to recharge battery?
you wrong. lithium batteries don't like to be neider high or low. 50% is storage voltage (3.65v per cell for li-ion and 3.8v for lipo). you should charge it to 70 or 80% and try not to go down below 40 or 50% on the daily bases.
The manufacturers and lots of battery nerds seem to think 20-80 range is just fine
I feel bad for the lady needing a charge, but if she's broke then I'm guessing driving an EV isn't the problem.
She’s prob not broke, just a situation where your cards don’t work
I feel bad for that woman you met there. I’m glad you were able to help her out. It’s gotta be super stressful.
Great video, the EPA estimate is prob inflated on most vehicles, this reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer and the car dealer rep drive the car until the last drop of gas haha. Really thinking of a M3 performance as a car and goal.
Wouldn't the long range version have gotten 310 to 315 miles?
according to many owners on other platforms, might be similar. Many have stated when they go 75-80mph they are lucky to get mid 250 and above range. especially if you factor in ACTUAL real world range where I believe you arent supposed to full charge or fully deplete the battery and given the battery degradation, the calculation going 75-80mph on a LR M3 is 220-240 at best if you factor those in. I almost feel bamboozled as I was about to buy a M3 LR excited about the 340+ range, then realize that was based on going 50mph in perfect conditions.
Does the 2021 M3P come with the same battery pack as this 2022 M3P?
Do you know if the long range awd has the same pack as this car?
They have the same pack and the long range will easily do 40 more miles at that speed.
Should have the same pack now, but I don’t think the LR has the matrix headlights
I read somewhere that the long range actually has 82kwh pack
Nice information. Easy to jump to the conclusion. Next test, what is the 80 mph consumption?
Autopilot controls the headlights with a Tesla vision car if you’re using it
Yep. You can disable and they'll stay off for that drive, but will re-enable when you re-engage AP.
When it says you have used 70kwh…doesn’t that include energy regenerated from Regen? That would he on top of what you took out of the battery.
Great test other than the AP glitch. Did Nissan provide an EVSE with the leaf❓Could lend piece of mind when cash flow is interrupted or slow; which ever the case was. Thanks for the video and helping hand. 👍🏼
Destroyer Gray i believe. Very popular right now!
Love your generosity Kyle. the whole video is worth watching to see to the end where you helped another human being! #bekind
do you think the 2022 m3p is faster than the 2019 m3p?
So the EQE heavier with a 90kwh pack is more efficient @70mph
Great video! Any opportunity for range test with a MYP pls?? In particular how much impact on the range w huge 21” wheels 🤨
At this point, which would you pick: model 3 awd, ionic 5 awd, ev6 awd, or ID4 awd? (Yes I’m in the market, and have driven most.)
I’d be happy to let my December 2019 build SR+ be in a comparison to a brand new SR+ for you to compare the LFP tech to the older style.
We have a Fall of 2021 DMLR Tesla Model 3 and have the same issues with the cruise control/ autopilot intermittently working. It's a pain, especially on a long trip! The auto high beams are a part of the 'vision only' auto pilot system as well....not fun in traffic as people flash you constantly. I'm not sure 'vision only' is ready for prime time IMHO.
its mid July 2022. should i wait until 2023 to buy model 3 performance? is there a planned big hardware improvement coming?
There's always improvement in the pipeline in cars, phones, whatever. If you wait to get the next neat thing you'll never actually buy one.
If we do multiple short trips and look at the “trips” tab to see how much kwh has been used. Divide it by the percentage battery consumed since last charge to get the battery capacity.
Is that a right way ? Cause I’m getting 60-65kwh using the above technique for my m3p 2600 miles (3 months old). How is it different than 100-0 trip ?
Hey bud, where did you get that CCS1 adapter?
32:20, better turning radius? Can you test this, it is my biggest negative on the Model 3. Here in Europe you need better turning radius than the old Model 3 gives you.
Only if you can't drive.
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19:25 That may be due to when autopilot says to touch the wheel and "apply force". After 3 separate audible warnings, it locks autopilot for the remainder of the drive. Happened to me once when I was driving from LA to Vegas, and I'll admit I wasn't paying attention and after 3 audible chimes, it locked autopilot. It's a safety feature to ensure drivers are attentive. Not sure if that's what happened here but it could be.