Great job George, Thank you it's a little past 2:00am and just finished boring the hole in the truck frame took maybe 30 mins. Tomorrow I try to remove the flyweight from the rumble motor!👍🤞🤞🤞🤞🙏🙏🙏 Will be back let you know honit turned out! Thank you again tryit to get my burned out Golden Eagle back on the tracks!
@@TheShadeTreeFixitMan thank you so much again Sir! Completed yesterday and works ferfect👍👍 and at only $9.00 and change from Amazon and got 3 motors. Good deal!👍
Nice work, Thank you for making this video, I just did this today to one of my power Torque blocks, and works great. After grinding off a bit of the shaft and sanding the edge of the top mounting plate it moves perfectly.
Hi George Thanks for your response, I greatly appreciate it. hope you do make a video from start to finish, the next time you rebuild a Tyco power torque drive truck, would love to see it, once again, thanks Mark
It depends on your source of the motors. You can also find similar motors in the DVD players that will work. Unfortunately, when I moved, I gave all this stuff away so I can't measure for you anymore. Thanks for stopping by
I have a huge box of those controllers that are ripe for the picking! Thanks for the tips! Been wondering what I could do with these broken controllers.
Now you know. I learned about it here: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome and thought I would try it with the PS2 motors since I already had them. Thanks for taking a look. I wonder what else I can use them for? I am thinking...
Excuse me what drill bits do you use between the time frame 2:00, 2:03, and 2:23 with the silver gear because I wanna try to work on a project on a tyco powertourque emd gp20 in Burlington northern paint scheme?
I don't remember now, since this was a number of years ago, but all I did was measure the shank of the motor with an electronic caliper and then found the matching drill bit, but you can essentially do the same thing just by putting the but end of your drill bit against the shaft under a magnifying glass and determine if they are the same diameter. Sorry I aren't much help at this point. I don't even have a layout anymore, since we sold our home and moved and I haven't found a place to make another one here in our new place. Thanks for stopping by.
A firm called Modeltorque in Melbourne provided a similar upgrade for Lima locomotives a few years back. I tried a few. Definitely ran smoother than original, albeit much faster than before and way faster than scale. Problem is the plastic gear provided splits and slips on the motor shaft after a while. Drilling out the original Tyco motor gear and reusing it is a better solution.
JBofBrisbane I have finally had to superglue the gear to the shaft on this one too, since the fit wasn't quite tight enough, but it is still running well and much more smoothly than the old power torque. Thanks for stopping by JBB.
That is SERIOUSLY cool, George!! I have an old Bicentennial ALCo by Tyco... And the loco from my first train set... a *tender drive* Chattanooga Choo-Choo steamer! I'd try this! :)
Me neither, some one else did it with a CD motor, I had the PS2 motors and figured they would be about the same and they are. Thanks for watching. Here is where I got my info from: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
Another chap I sometimes watch showed that the motors out of old (broken) mobile phones, with the 'bob weights' removed can do all sorts of 'good work'
Good question, I know it is more powerful and smoother than before. Because of my particular layout I can't pull exceptionally long trains anyway. A dozen is about my limit. Thanks for stopping by.
Just hook up the 2 wires from the motor to the original wires in the train itself. I soldered the connections. Pretty straight forward. Thanks for stopping by.
Has anyone ever tried converting one of these to all wheel drive, by fitting a second drive truck to the engine? I always wondered if that was possible.
Wow. How did you know about these two? That was very nice to watch. I had no idea that Tyco had Locomotive motors like this years ago. Thanks for sharing this..Jimmy
I had to do some investigation and research online for my Tyco engines and came across a video showing how to do this conversion and figured I would do if for myself. It works great and I have another conversion to do that I haven't seen anywhere before. BTW, I came up with the idea of the PS controller because all the CD players I had, had too big of a motor. I gutted about 4 of them looking for the right sized motor and then thought of the controllers, of which I had a couple of broken ones "in stock". Thanks for stopping by and commenting and thanks again for the sub.
Did you try looking in later generation (1990s) cassette players for a motor? Those look about the right size (maybe a little too thick?) but something like a CYRF-400C motor seems about the right size? Actually, this hack may work well for a turn table and other mobile items as well.... something to think about. I may just buy a few cheap motors off ebay
I ordered a couple of these motors after watching your video and seeing them mentioned on a couple of forums, and I have a couple of questions. 1. How did you go about removing the counterweights from the motors? 2. Did you use a resistor? I can't seem to find any specs on the motors and am wondering what the voltage rating is for them. Thanks.
The weights are just press fitted to the shaft so you just pry them off. Be careful not to bend the shaft. I didn't use any resistors and just hooked directly to the existing wiring in the train engine. Your transformer is essentially just a resistor inline to the motor. Have fun and thanks for stopping by.
George, you are truly an all-round fix-it man! Excellent job. I saw the motor laying there, but didn't know what it was or where it came from. Good video mystery story! :-)
Hi George, I would really like to know, if you have a video of step by step procedures of replacing the motor in the Tyco power torque drive trucks. from start to finish with the PS controller motor, and what tools you used to do the work with, I would really like to see and learn how you do it. I have 2) Tyco GP-20 Penn Central, C624, C430 engines I would like to get up and running. Thank You Mark
Hi Mark, this is the closest thing to a step by step that I have for this conversion. You might find this video of interest in your modification: th-cam.com/video/nyMUd1gN43U/w-d-xo.html I may do another with my next modification just to make it step by step. You really do need a Dremel of some sort for grinding out the housing for added clearance on the "can" motor. Hope this helps.
That was part of my problem... I didn't use a drill press, but I also wasn't sure how I would anchor it to the press table. It works fine as is. Thanks for stopping by Scott.
Here is a link to the site I found it on originally. They used a CD player motor, I adapted it to the Sony PS2, which is basically the same thing: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
Hi George • It works, great news for the rest of the story. Tyco - are they still around? The Shade Tree Railroad Man, can make anything work. • Cheers from Michigan
Tyco went through several owners and ultimately were bought by Model Power company who continued to produce the Mantua Classics line until this year, so it is officially gone now, though as Tyco it officially ceased in 1998. Thanks for the kind words and for taking a look.
I don't know that anyone makes repair parts for these old engines. Your best option is to look on eBay for another engine to use for parts or do what I have done here and upgrade the engine. Sorry I can't be of more help.
I would like to know where i can find these power torque motors at? and rebuild them like you did, I have 2 tyco spirit of 76, 1 penn central c430, 1 gp-20 penn central engine need to be fixed. i would greatly appreicate it Mark
Hi Mark. I use motors from either a CD player (they aren't all the same however) or from Sony Playstation controllers. You can pick them up at thrift stores pretty cheap anymore. If you have a hard time finding some let me know through pm.
+Mark Crum Just hook the two wires from the can motor to the two wires that originally went to the power torque motor and you are good to go! Very simple. The only thing that would be affected is the direction of travel and you just switch that on your transformer anyway, no problems. Mine is still running well. Thanks for stopping by and checking out my channel.
I just pulled it off with a pair of pliers as I recall. You can also pry them off carefully with a screwdriver, but you are more apt to bend the shaft. Thanks for stopping by Adam.
Oh my, that was several years ago now, but it would depend on the size of the shaft on the particular motor that you use. They are not all the same, depending on where you source your replacement from. I also have used ones from cassette decks. Thanks for taking a look.
The noise is from the gears in the chassis already, so unless your gear set is quieter, it is what it is. It is still a lot quieter than the original motor for sure and runs much smoother too. Thanks for stopping by. Straight cut gears are always noisy, which is why some of the newer trains have helical cut gears for the drive units.
The PS2 controllers were already "junk". As you know, it is usually the paddles that go bad, long before the "rumble" quits. Thanks for stopping in Reuben.
After watching your builds, I am sure there is lots I don't know about model building. I wish you would do a tutorial on how to drill holes in the right place... Thanks for the kind words Butch.
In no way were the latter-day Power Torque motors superior to the old (1950+) bullet-proof Tyco motors, which were five-pole and extremely well balanced. Power Torques are crappy three-poles with poor starting and worse reliability.
Great job George, Thank you it's a little past 2:00am and just finished boring the hole in the truck frame took maybe 30 mins. Tomorrow I try to remove the flyweight from the rumble motor!👍🤞🤞🤞🤞🙏🙏🙏
Will be back let you know honit turned out! Thank you again tryit to get my burned out Golden Eagle back on the tracks!
Glad it helped, and thanks for stopping by. I'll look forward to hearing of your success!
@@TheShadeTreeFixitMan thank you so much again Sir! Completed yesterday and works ferfect👍👍 and at only $9.00 and change from Amazon and got 3 motors. Good deal!👍
Who would have thought, Your are truly the Fix it man George, Later, Tom
Thank you Tom.
Shazam! Back on the track with a slick fix from a PlayStation controller. I think I am gonna start calling you the Shade Tree Macgyver!
Thanks Rich.
I am not a power torque fan but I like this video. Pretty creative.
I wasn't either, but thought it would be interesting to see if I could make this work and it did quite well. Thanks for stopping by.
Nice work, Thank you for making this video, I just did this today to one of my power Torque blocks, and works great.
After grinding off a bit of the shaft and sanding the edge of the top mounting plate it moves perfectly.
Glad it was helpful to you. Thanks for stopping by.
thanks a lot George!
I'm glad if it helps revive a few old Tycos to keep them running. Thanks for stopping by.
Happy holidays!
Interesting stuff....nice work George
Thanks Jeff.
Hi George
Thanks for your response, I greatly appreciate it. hope you do make a video from start to finish, the next time you rebuild a Tyco power torque drive truck, would love to see it, once again, thanks
Mark
I will see what I can do over the next couple of weeks Mark. Thanks for your interest.
Do you recall what the outside diameter of these ps2 contoller motors?
It depends on your source of the motors. You can also find similar motors in the DVD players that will work. Unfortunately, when I moved, I gave all this stuff away so I can't measure for you anymore. Thanks for stopping by
Very cool
Thank you MrHevyshevy
George from Mountaineer to Engineer i'm impressed cheers Robert
Oh yeah! Thanks Robert
You could of shown us in more detail how to do it!!!!
Sorry about that. Unfortunately I can't update it anymore since I dismantled my layout and gave away most of my trains when I moved.
I have a huge box of those controllers that are ripe for the picking! Thanks for the tips! Been wondering what I could do with these broken controllers.
Now you know. I learned about it here: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome and thought I would try it with the PS2 motors since I already had them. Thanks for taking a look.
I wonder what else I can use them for? I am thinking...
Excuse me what drill bits do you use between the time frame 2:00, 2:03, and 2:23 with the silver gear because I wanna try to work on a project on a tyco powertourque emd gp20 in Burlington northern paint scheme?
I don't remember now, since this was a number of years ago, but all I did was measure the shank of the motor with an electronic caliper and then found the matching drill bit, but you can essentially do the same thing just by putting the but end of your drill bit against the shaft under a magnifying glass and determine if they are the same diameter. Sorry I aren't much help at this point. I don't even have a layout anymore, since we sold our home and moved and I haven't found a place to make another one here in our new place. Thanks for stopping by.
The Shade Tree Fix-it Man oh that’s okay anyways, I’ll try to figure something out but thanks again.
How do you drill out the pivot gear?
Very carefully with a pin vise or slow speed electric drill. I prefer to use the pin vise for more control. Thanks for stopping by.
A firm called Modeltorque in Melbourne provided a similar upgrade for Lima locomotives a few years back. I tried a few. Definitely ran smoother than original, albeit much faster than before and way faster than scale. Problem is the plastic gear provided splits and slips on the motor shaft after a while. Drilling out the original Tyco motor gear and reusing it is a better solution.
JBofBrisbane I have finally had to superglue the gear to the shaft on this one too, since the fit wasn't quite tight enough, but it is still running well and much more smoothly than the old power torque. Thanks for stopping by JBB.
That is SERIOUSLY cool, George!!
I have an old Bicentennial ALCo by Tyco...
And the loco from my first train set... a *tender drive* Chattanooga Choo-Choo steamer!
I'd try this! :)
Go for it! I have a couple of other older engines that I intend to modify this way too. Thanks for stopping by.
Great fix, they also have a lot of fun in common, Thanks for letting me have fun watching.
Thank you for checking it out Steve!
I wouldn't have thought of that...Good stuff George.
Me neither, some one else did it with a CD motor, I had the PS2 motors and figured they would be about the same and they are. Thanks for watching. Here is where I got my info from:
Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
All across America, children are crying that 'Grandpa has stolen my playstation!'
Not in this case. These were broken already...
Another chap I sometimes watch showed that the motors out of old (broken) mobile phones, with the 'bob weights' removed can do all sorts of 'good work'
harryfaber
Really old mobile phones, not cell phone, right?
any that 'vibrate' when getting a call.
how mini cars can you pulled with that setup .
Good question, I know it is more powerful and smoother than before. Because of my particular layout I can't pull exceptionally long trains anyway. A dozen is about my limit. Thanks for stopping by.
How did you wire it up
Just hook up the 2 wires from the motor to the original wires in the train itself. I soldered the connections. Pretty straight forward. Thanks for stopping by.
Hi good news I just got my grandpa’s tyco ConRail locomotive back up and running using your method thanks for the tips.
Has anyone ever tried converting one of these to all wheel drive, by fitting a second drive truck to the engine? I always wondered if that was possible.
Not sure, I haven't. Time for you to step up and lead the way? Thanks for stopping by.
Wow. How did you know about these two? That was very nice to watch. I had no idea that Tyco had Locomotive motors like this years ago. Thanks for sharing this..Jimmy
I had to do some investigation and research online for my Tyco engines and came across a video showing how to do this conversion and figured I would do if for myself. It works great and I have another conversion to do that I haven't seen anywhere before. BTW, I came up with the idea of the PS controller because all the CD players I had, had too big of a motor. I gutted about 4 of them looking for the right sized motor and then thought of the controllers, of which I had a couple of broken ones "in stock". Thanks for stopping by and commenting and thanks again for the sub.
Did you try looking in later generation (1990s) cassette players for a motor? Those look about the right size (maybe a little too thick?) but something like a CYRF-400C motor seems about the right size?
Actually, this hack may work well for a turn table and other mobile items as well.... something to think about. I may just buy a few cheap motors off ebay
Good fix ..!!
Thank you Shawn.
I ordered a couple of these motors after watching your video and seeing them mentioned on a couple of forums, and I have a couple of questions.
1. How did you go about removing the counterweights from the motors?
2. Did you use a resistor? I can't seem to find any specs on the motors and am wondering what the voltage rating is for them.
Thanks.
The weights are just press fitted to the shaft so you just pry them off. Be careful not to bend the shaft. I didn't use any resistors and just hooked directly to the existing wiring in the train engine. Your transformer is essentially just a resistor inline to the motor. Have fun and thanks for stopping by.
George, you are truly an all-round fix-it man! Excellent job. I saw the motor laying there, but didn't know what it was or where it came from. Good video mystery story! :-)
Thank you for following along Bruce.
do you do commissions? I got a lot of Tyco locos needing upgrading
Sorry I don't and right now after having moved, I don't currently have a place to setup my own layout...yet. Thanks for stopping by.
Hi George,
I would really like to know, if you have a video of step by step procedures of replacing the motor in the Tyco power torque drive trucks. from start to finish with the PS controller motor, and what tools you used to do the work with, I would really like to see and learn how you do it. I have 2) Tyco GP-20 Penn Central, C624, C430 engines I would like to get up and running.
Thank You
Mark
Hi Mark, this is the closest thing to a step by step that I have for this conversion. You might find this video of interest in your modification: th-cam.com/video/nyMUd1gN43U/w-d-xo.html
I may do another with my next modification just to make it step by step. You really do need a Dremel of some sort for grinding out the housing for added clearance on the "can" motor. Hope this helps.
I will have to give that a try. I may need a drill press to drill the gear out, since I couldn't drill straight if my depended on it.
Scott
That was part of my problem... I didn't use a drill press, but I also wasn't sure how I would anchor it to the press table. It works fine as is. Thanks for stopping by Scott.
You could hold it in place with hot glue.
Scott
Scott Downey
The friction fit is working just fine so far. Thanks for the suggestion.
The Shade Tree Fix-it Man .....so you did not epoxy into place?
that pretty cool how did you learn that just curious later
I found a brief video essay online that used a motor from a CD player. I adapted the theory to use what I had available. It works!
Here is a link to the site I found it on originally. They used a CD player motor, I adapted it to the Sony PS2, which is basically the same thing:
Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
Good, good thinkin'..
It's not all original to me, unfortunately, but thank you for taking a look.
See here: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
what kind of tool did you use to carve out the motor
I used a Dremel tool. Thanks for stopping by.
The Shade Tree Fix-it Man np
Hi George • It works, great news for the rest of the story. Tyco - are they still around? The Shade Tree Railroad Man, can make anything work.
• Cheers from Michigan
Tyco went through several owners and ultimately were bought by Model Power company who continued to produce the Mantua Classics line until this year, so it is officially gone now, though as Tyco it officially ceased in 1998. Thanks for the kind words and for taking a look.
Tyco is dead, long live Model Power
Wear can I get a parts repair for tycoho gauge train a santa fe 2654 engine
I don't know that anyone makes repair parts for these old engines. Your best option is to look on eBay for another engine to use for parts or do what I have done here and upgrade the engine. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Great video George! Glad you fixed it! How did you come across the information about the motor compatibility? Thanks for sharing,
Ethan
Check out this link: Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
Thanks for stopping in Ethan.
Great job George.
Thanks Mike.
I would like to know where i can find these power torque motors at? and rebuild them like you did, I have 2 tyco spirit of 76, 1 penn central c430, 1 gp-20 penn central engine need to be fixed. i would greatly appreicate it
Mark
Hi Mark. I use motors from either a CD player (they aren't all the same however) or from Sony Playstation controllers. You can pick them up at thrift stores pretty cheap anymore. If you have a hard time finding some let me know through pm.
I use the tray motors out of ps2's. they are a seven pole motor and run great in the powertorque motors place.
I have some of those too. It is a good swap for sure. Thanks
This is awesome….. thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks for watching! I hope you found it informative. Alas, I miss my layout...
After you rebuild those power torques, how do you wire them up to run, do you have a wiring diagram for it?
Thank You
Mark
+Mark Crum Just hook the two wires from the can motor to the two wires that originally went to the power torque motor and you are good to go! Very simple. The only thing that would be affected is the direction of travel and you just switch that on your transformer anyway, no problems. Mine is still running well. Thanks for stopping by and checking out my channel.
cool, the old powertorques still have life in them :)
There is more than one way to keep these old diesels going. I am going to do it on some other engines in the future as well. Thanks for stopping by.
you should do it to one of the tyco steam engines
PopsProductions124
I do have one that I am contemplating modifying this way.
cool
How did you get your counterweight balancer off without damaging the motor
I just pulled it off with a pair of pliers as I recall. You can also pry them off carefully with a screwdriver, but you are more apt to bend the shaft. Thanks for stopping by Adam.
what size drill bit did you use to drill out the pinion gear
Oh my, that was several years ago now, but it would depend on the size of the shaft on the particular motor that you use. They are not all the same, depending on where you source your replacement from. I also have used ones from cassette decks. Thanks for taking a look.
Wow a play station Train, very cool, you are the Fix It Man!,,,,
Thanks man.
is there a way to make it quiet
The noise is from the gears in the chassis already, so unless your gear set is quieter, it is what it is. It is still a lot quieter than the original motor for sure and runs much smoother too. Thanks for stopping by. Straight cut gears are always noisy, which is why some of the newer trains have helical cut gears for the drive units.
I repaired my PS2 controller by tearing apart a vintage train... OK, no I didn't...
The PS2 controllers were already "junk". As you know, it is usually the paddles that go bad, long before the "rumble" quits. Thanks for stopping in Reuben.
you sound like Santa clause
Who is he? Thanks for taking a look.
Great idea!!
Thanks!
That's pretty cool. Is there anything you don't know? lol
Take care George
After watching your builds, I am sure there is lots I don't know about model building. I wish you would do a tutorial on how to drill holes in the right place...
Thanks for the kind words Butch.
nice mod! how do you come up with this stuff?
The answer to your question is found here:
Modified Tyco Powetorque Locomotive = Awesome
I stumbled upon it and thought I would try it and pass it on.
In no way were the latter-day Power Torque motors superior to the old (1950+) bullet-proof Tyco motors, which were five-pole and extremely well balanced. Power Torques are crappy three-poles with poor starting and worse reliability.
This is true and why I did this conversion. Thanks for stopping by.
clever!
Thank you sire.
T=up
Thanks man
THANKS!!!!! I just ruined the original motor and have extra ps3 controllers. this is sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bwahahahahaha
Glad that you will find this useful. It really does run much smoother and quieter as well as being more powerful. A real upgrade all around.
Pretty cool
Thanks Terry