its the audio engineer :[ his taste and mixing preferences are no where near as good as the guy who recorded and mixed systematic chaos or black clouds; i think his name is paul northfield
Stev3n C the audio engineer is only executing what the Artist/producer wants Sound wise , i think MP knew what type of Drum sound he wanted and i think that all Pre-ADTOE prove that , i think it is about time for an outside producer in DT ( Steven Wilson ) ,
That is actually a pretty good point HOLLOWOXDT1. Besides Mangini's kit has a whole different kind of tone to it. I do agree the new self-titled album is engineered pretty well just lacks the punch from Portnoy's kit :P
I agree with him. Each company has their own ways. Portnoy used Tama drums, Sabian cymbals, LP Percussion and some other stuff I don't know about where Mangini uses Pearl drums and percussion, Zildjian cymbals and other stuff I don't know about. Each company has their own way, and to be honest, Zildjian and Sabian are basically the same thing, but Sabian formed after someone in the Zildjian left.
Tama or pearl has nothing to do with it. Wood is wood. maybe there's a small difference in the bearing edge but that's about it. It's just the way it'srecorded. Bad producing in myopinion.Listen to the new Haken EP. The drums on the songs really breath and feel alive. if you listen the new dream theater album, the drums dont cut and just sound like a bunch of samples.
Mangini and Portnoy...both by far the best drummers of the modern age when it comes to creativity (Portnoy) and technicality (Mangini) wise....Complete gods of drumming.
what about the other candidates at the time, any long and music only jam session video as well, eh Marc? i'd (and maybe the rest of youtubers) like to see it if you have it, please :)
TBH this specific example is not the greatest jam in the history of jams... lol. John Myung is just kinda going in auto pilot while john petrucci plays some not particularly incredbly pleasing melodies while everybody is basically just here to look at Mike and see if he can be esoterically gifted enough to not rush into whatever minefield of a drum piece this is that they wrote to test him with lol. :P
The reason Mangini won is because he was like a piano player on the drums. He listened to everyone as much as he pushed for himself. He did more research, and knew exactly how the other members thought and played. He showed his licks and ambidexterity, but listened as well instead of trying to lead the original guys. He showed respect.
Its crazy, Mangini is watching like a hawk for any hints where its going, none of the guys are giving him anything because they are so used to playing with each other but still Mike sticks the landing, brilliant to watch and hear.
I saw an interview with Magini and he said when Dream Theater emailed him and asked him to audition, he was able to see all the other drummers they had sent an invite to, so he practised hard all the stuff the other drummers were specialists at before he went to the audition. Genius!
Both drummers are freaking good, it's ridiculous people are fighting over this when there are other things to worry about...like One Direction or shit like that.
Russell Alen should be the lead singer, I hope someday before a tour Labrie falls sick as Annette was in Nightwish, and they call Alen for a "temporary" replacement rsrs
If you know the nightwish history, you will ser that the sickness was juck a Flu ... Nothing to worry, but just a thing that impeds him to sing for a few concerts
Jordan Rudess hasn't aged, either! The dude was 55 at the time, and you couldn't tell he's a decade older than the other guys in the group! He'll be 58 this year, and I'm not even sure if I think he looks 40 yet!
My respects to mangini, audition my ass, its seem more like test your might" hahah these dudes are just trying to make him fail like crazy but he smashed it!
I stopped listening anything new DT made when Octavarium came out. Just saw them the other day in Prague. Good as always, but.... Portnoy was better fit.
well I think that it's just a different point of view. We're used to listen their "intellectual" work in the albums, and this is their spontaneous music level, in a jam session. It's another way to approach music. I find both of them great.
Wow, it must be fun trying to follow jordan while jamming. The wizard plays exactly what's on his mind, so, you would never know what is he going to play. Such great musicians :')
Gurra B Another person who did not understand anything of progressive metal. Progressive means innovation... Mike portnoy lost his innovation long time ago at train of thought... and labrie too... Even before. End of story
***** standart beats with some twists and turns isn't innovation, Mike's capabilities are moderate at best i know much better drummers personally and sorry for the butthurt /watch?v=DrhpqOx371M /watch?v=ywlWkkNl19U if you're looking for innovation
@@erakattack Yeah after minute like... 10 of a jam I'm like ok guys I think we're about stretching out the audience's ability to enjoy this key and this scale. Lets at least switch keys.
That;s the only downfall of "Dream Theater" the album. The videos put up from the tour so far sound better, despite the quality of some of the videos, so i think. It would make sense, and plus I love the snare drum sound in this video
miguel lopez More real is always better, i never understood why all these studios are constantly doing these awful mastering with the volume of everything turned at max and why all the instruments are always overcompressed, this why some of the latest album sounds like shit (typical Roadrunner mixing/mastering with half digitaly triggered drumkits, fake sound and shit), cause the volume is so loud that if you don't have some decent speakers it will
the sampler era, unrealistic sounds with more attack, the first albums were a very tasteable warm sound insteed of this new clean vibe, like on the Mike Portnoy s snare.. that was so perfect
Always wondered if they already knew who they wanted to replace Portnoy. Mangini certainly displays a lot of the same showmanship. Of course he's a world class drummer as well.
Fuck my tits man.. from 10:00 and out they sounded more like Dream Theater than they have sounded in years and years!! At 11:40 and out.. mind blown that this was a fuckin JAM. Dream Theater; THAT is how your next album need to sound!
Felipe Machado . He was totally qualified. And was a true pro. The audition must have been before he got with Govan . In the bio , Aristocrats wasn't listed .
Regarding the fact that DT can simply play to every single person's taste (all genres, styles etc), I think you CAN state that they are the very best of the world.
I went to a drum festival at Berklee College of Music back in the day when Mangini was teaching, what an awesome hyper dude! He was telling us he helped Portnoy get his double bass faster amongst other different techniques. Crazy watching him audition for them.
I love it how Petrucci lets go of the pressure of being the interviewer towards the end of the video and concentrates on the playing and jamming. This whole session could have been a mix of new album songs of DT and LTE. I also have to agree with the commenter who is amazed at the tune after 8:30. Simply amazing.
It's really funny, as a musician for the last 30 years or so, I never really liked DT. I just "Didnt Get it". Since they got Mangini, and I have gotten to be older and hopefully wiser, Suddenly it all makes sense to me now, but only after laboring thru listening to them for countless hours just admiring the musicianship. They are a very deep technical band, and definitely not for everyone. Yes they are a bit over indulgent at times, but hey, when your some of the best musicians in the world, why the hell not. I would rather hear them riff for hours than any musicians I know personally. Now I have been going back thru the catalog, and im really digging alot of their earlier stuff as well. It just takes a while to get to like them, but once you understand where they are going musically, its easy to like.
+Jim Owens I feel similarly. I was exposed to them ages ago, but only in the last 6 years or so have I been digging into their discography and discovering all the hidden gems on each album. It's interesting how some albums didn't stand out much at first and took longer to grow on me than others, but the more I listened, the more I heard the details and the better it gets! Weird because a lot of other bands I like it's the opposite; they have songs that stand out and seem like instant classics, but the more you listen, the more boring and repetitive it gets. lol But yeah, I'm, not knocking other bands or DT, everything has it's place but I have grown to enjoy most of the styles that DT offer, but it wasn't instant. ;)
I can understand that Jim. I was introduced to them about 20 years ago by my bass player at the time.. he played me puppies on Acid from once in a live time (later learned it was an excerpt from the Mirror). after the first 10 seconds of hearing that groove, I fell in love with DT. I literally went out the next day and bought scenes from a memory.. to this day it remains one of my all time fav albums along with 6 degrees of inner turbulence. not only was it fated for me to experience this band but there progressive style carved its way into my own song writing and pushed me to develop on a more advanced level.. Its funny how things turn out. :)
A lot of their songs are very difficult for me to follow, not being a musician myself. But the ones I can, I absolutely adore. Their songs are what I call 'Sonic Experiences', something most mainstream music lacks, in my opinion
This is the DT I want to hear: loose, but tight, experimental, with a discernable groove, and relaxed. Imho, I feel like this is DT at their best, not overblown complexity for its own sake.
I will confess before I make my comment I am not a huge DT fan but I can certainly appreciate the musicianship. Those that know my comments know I am a fan of 3 min punk rock but with regards to the drum battle going on below I can say from a drummers point of view when it gets to this level it is irrelevant who is better than whom as the quality being played is something one should just sit back listen and appreciate. These chaps certainly expect a lot from their drummer. One almighty audition and this chap does not disappoint. To those that have been knocking Mike Portnoy please re-listen as throughout all those awkward time signatures Mike Portnoy is phenomenal. From a drummers point of view I try not to listen too much as makes me realise the gap between the semi pros and the top of the pro tree and it is absolutely huge. Mike Mangini steps into Mike Portnoys shoes and I would say even having the ability to attempt that shows that this chap will very soon become a household name as to play in those complex patterns in those time signatures is worthy of admiration.
For a first time jam with dream theater, you gotta give mangini a break! he has done such a phenomenal job with the band in picking up so much musical traction. it took many years and hours with portnoy to make the dream theater you see now, and mangini pretty much picked it up over night. props mangini! :)
Although Mike is not my favorite drummer, I admit that this improvisation session is beyond mindblowing. Being able to express those ideas proves that he is one of a kind drummer.
"The Show" has nothing to do with the personalities behind the curtain. I watched all the auditions and saw their "vibe". They're ego's are huge. I would never work for or with those guys ... and it is not because I don't have the creative talent or chops.
@@johndoe-rp3hz third comment of yours bashing on dt with probably 2% skill or creativity(whatever instrument you play) compared to these geniuses, jealous much?
@@iamtheone5049 Many more than 3 comments were made, however I do give credit where credit is due. Read my posts. 2% of Magini's skill set is definitely on the low side for a direct comparison and ones creative reality cannot be measured, only appreciated.So what is your point? Jealousy. Does he possess something that I must have? No. And while bandying about the qualifier "genius" that you have bestowed upon these boys, remember that not one of them made it into any of the top music conservatories of the world today.
The problem when people talk about Portnoy is that they think of him as a drummer when in reality he was one of the main songwriters. He was starting to repeat himself to the point there was nothing to repeat, but some of the best DT songs came from his ideas. THAT'S the part thats irreplaceable.
Tecnicly gifted , but left M. PORTNOY 's heart , the first time did i see the audition Mangoni is awesome but the time make me esr better and DT whitout Portniy its like The Rolling Stones without Richard , left the heart and folks in music the hearts plyer makes the diference , i love DT but I start follow Portnoy's job whitout DT abd he never stop too surprise me , I MISS YOU MIKE P
+Chris Thomas If you want to spend a lot of money on overpriced isolated tracks, you can get instrumentals of most of their songs on jammit. Otherwise, Black Clouds and Silver Linings + A Dramatic Turn of Events are the only 2 albums that had a second disc of instrumental versions. There's a few other isolated tracks around about like The Enemy Inside bonus track and various stems ripped from the songs on Guitar Hero/Rock Band games.
Yes, basically DT thought the same way, so they sneaked behind LaBrie and would meet often in an underground set to record new stuff, and thus Liquid Tension Experiment was formed. They also invited other famous musicians to help them along the way. They made two great albums with no vocals because who needs vocals, least of all LaBrie's vocals. Every part of this comment is true.
I think he is perfect fit for DT and I just love the drums in distance over time (especially pale blue dot). Don't know if he had more freedom now than before.
I can't stand this band, but Mangini is an innovator and a unique talent. Portnoy obviously has chops, but there is absolutely nothing unique about anything he does. That's not meant to bad mouth the man as he's built an impressive career. But Mangini is simply in another class in terms of technique and creativity.
Well, there are few that can compare in pure speed to him.But hey, when the speed limit is 55 ya gotta come up with swagger! I think that is where a lot of the monster chop players fail these days. They are so busy working on playing fast, that when a slow section comes up to lay it down straight they all just kinda gloss over it like it isn't that important. But we all know THAT is where it's at !!! Just an observation.
That's how you weed out the good from the great. Timing, change ups etc. a real audition basically bc anybody can show up & throw out some fancy pants beats but the real is just what u see in this vid.
They should really approach music the same way gavin harrison does. DT latealy are now just a band that tries to sound cocky that they have the ability to play in odd time sigs, gavin said its cool to play in odd time sigs but you have to be able to groove/dance or relate to it in any way . and lately the msuics just bland as hell
TheeOneUp Oh, well if Gavin said so..........please. And Portnoy says this, and Weckl says that, and Greb said this and Colaiuta says that...............who cares.
![Dream Theater - The Dance Of Eternity [Breaking The Fourth Wall]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8Ik9qECIWgc/mqdefault.jpg)
dream theater audition = "we are going to check if you are god enough to join us"
well, that's basically the context of every possible audition. That's the definition of an audition :D
"we are going to check if you are *_god_* enough to join us"
hardcoregirl 96 oooooohh, my bad, missed that :D
Jefferson Sales their not god. They just pussy
Rockmaraton yeh that’s an audition
Its not just about being technically the best. Its about being being able to play with other people.
why is the drum sound on this 10 times better then on the last two albums?
its the audio engineer :[ his taste and mixing preferences are no where near as good as the guy who recorded and mixed systematic chaos or black clouds; i think his name is paul northfield
Stev3n C the audio engineer is only executing what the Artist/producer wants Sound wise , i think MP knew what type of Drum sound he wanted and i think that all Pre-ADTOE prove that , i think it is about time for an outside producer in DT ( Steven Wilson ) ,
That is actually a pretty good point HOLLOWOXDT1. Besides Mangini's kit has a whole different kind of tone to it. I do agree the new self-titled album is engineered pretty well just lacks the punch from Portnoy's kit :P
I agree with him. Each company has their own ways. Portnoy used Tama drums, Sabian cymbals, LP Percussion and some other stuff I don't know about where Mangini uses Pearl drums and percussion, Zildjian cymbals and other stuff I don't know about. Each company has their own way, and to be honest, Zildjian and Sabian are basically the same thing, but Sabian formed after someone in the Zildjian left.
Tama or pearl has nothing to do with it. Wood is wood. maybe there's a small difference in the bearing edge but that's about it. It's just the way it'srecorded. Bad producing in myopinion.Listen to the new Haken EP. The drums on the songs really breath and feel alive. if you listen the new dream theater album, the drums dont cut and just sound like a bunch of samples.
This dude is awesome. Dead-on with timing and great feeling!
One of the few drummers I like!
Dang they were really testing Mangini's skill around 3:00
yeah they were lmao
They are really screwing with him lol
You might as well say Mangani was testing their skill.
The wtf test
The hardest audition and test for any drummer or musician 👌
Mangini and Portnoy...both by far the best drummers of the modern age when it comes to creativity (Portnoy) and technicality (Mangini) wise....Complete gods of drumming.
I enjoyed this jam session more than their last album.
I love Mangini so much!
what about the other candidates at the time, any long and music only jam session video as well, eh Marc?
i'd (and maybe the rest of youtubers) like to see it if you have it, please :)
Mangini is a Beast!!!
MIKE PORTNOY IS THE BEST OF METAL PROGRESSIVE AND DREAM THEATER WITHOUT PORTNOY IS NOT EQUAL!!!...... BACK MIKE PORTNOY!!!!
truly masterpiece sound
They knew it was Mangini after his first audition.
Portnoy vs Mike Mangini-як на мене-самі КРУТІ друммери!!! Респект і уважуха!!!
I want to watch Virgil donati audition!
This was really cool ! :)
Love how they get going at 3:05
DT checking whether he is god enough to be a part of the band
NOW I wanna hear DT, because of Mangini. Neil Peart's substitute...
Nice video, i ask permission to download your video..
of course man! do whatever you want haha
It must feel fucking good to play an instrument and jam at this level
Absolutely true!
From experience it can give you a his complex.
TBH this specific example is not the greatest jam in the history of jams... lol. John Myung is just kinda going in auto pilot while john petrucci plays some not particularly incredbly pleasing melodies while everybody is basically just here to look at Mike and see if he can be esoterically gifted enough to not rush into whatever minefield of a drum piece this is that they wrote to test him with lol. :P
THE greatest job interview, EVER!
*hardest
Stick talk to much
Is he a man? Is he a genie? He's Mangini!
Emanresuadeen Mangenius
Man-genie
That's preeeetttty good.
Hey! Someone give this guy a fucking medal!
This comment wins
The reason Mangini won is because he was like a piano player on the drums. He listened to everyone as much as he pushed for himself. He did more research, and knew exactly how the other members thought and played. He showed his licks and ambidexterity, but listened as well instead of trying to lead the original guys. He showed respect.
Totally agree
I agree exactly...see my comments re Portnoy.
That is a fantastic statement , totally agree !
Randy .Trent well said
Totally agreed..I can feel it man
Its crazy, Mangini is watching like a hawk for any hints where its going, none of the guys are giving him anything because they are so used to playing with each other but still Mike sticks the landing, brilliant to watch and hear.
Hi mike
The guitar volume is much louder than the bass, that's racist.
Kevinacho Murillo No sir, that’s bassist
@@istolethisaccount Have a thumbs up, you magnificent bastard.
@@alicec1533 Why make such a bassless accusation?
Kevinacho Murillo they have bassist?
Kevinacho Murillo JP : well since im the producer, so ...
Mangini mind was like "must do odd time as many as possible."
That's the mindset! haha
i like how mike just looks around to make eye contact ,yknow for connection, and the rest of the band is just staring at their instruments hah
... with personalities like a chair.
Looking for connection, but even more so at hints to see where they would take the music. He is one of the best drummers in the world.
@@PieterDaniell Yep. He was doing detective work.
@@DekkarJrhi mike
Mangini's drums sound like... drums!! I wish they sounded like this on the DT albums.
It's because he really is hitting them harder. He plays with a LOT of attack. Nice!
I saw an interview with Magini and he said when Dream Theater emailed him and asked him to audition, he was able to see all the other drummers they had sent an invite to, so he practised hard all the stuff the other drummers were specialists at before he went to the audition. Genius!
Outwork everyone mentality
I don't think so, he don't play more faster than aquiles priester, but is more technical.
@@malgdrummer he is faster. He is fucking Guinness faster than all of the other drummers.
Daniel Arteta you clearly don't listen to death or black metal
@@ekthorvd6739 what does those genres have to do with the other drummers involved in the audition for Dream Theater? 🙄
SPOILER ALERT:
Mangini now plays in Dream Theater
I DON'T CARE IF MANGINI IS THE BEST DRUMMER IN THE WORLD... I WILL ALWAYS MISS MIKE PORTNOY WITH DREAM THEATER... but... Mangini is fuckin amazing..
Both drummers are freaking good, it's ridiculous people are fighting over this when there are other things to worry about...like One Direction or shit like that.
I'm not "fighting" I'm just expressing my opinion about that... MM in amazing but for so many reasons I will always Miss MP with DT
Dayana Delgadillo Never said you were, I was speaking about everyone else on these comments :P
Why are DT jams better than DT ?
+Koala Mexicain hahahahahhah
No James LaBrie.
@ L Horgan LOL
I'd upvote you 100 times if I could.
why are mike better than mike?
Labrie sounds good here.
Russell Alen should be the lead singer, I hope someday before a tour Labrie falls sick as Annette was in Nightwish, and they call Alen for a "temporary" replacement rsrs
Druyan we might hate his voice but dude. Dont ever curse someone just like that.
If you know the nightwish history, you will ser that the sickness was juck a Flu ... Nothing to worry, but just a thing that impeds him to sing for a few concerts
Aleks would be a better singer
Why does JM never gets aged?
I don't see any differences between 1999 Scenes From A Memory and now.
Because he's asian. Some may say "black don't crack," but I'm saying that "asian don't raisin."
Jordan Rudess hasn't aged, either! The dude was 55 at the time, and you couldn't tell he's a decade older than the other guys in the group! He'll be 58 this year, and I'm not even sure if I think he looks 40 yet!
@Rod OB fuck off is he 63...
8:20 - is where the musical gold starts
absolutely right
Musical gold doesn't even begin to describe it. Wish they would turn this into a song.
The section at 8:20 reminds me of the feel of the guitar solo in the latter part of A Change of Seasons.
Sounds like porcupine tree
Song's name?
My respects to mangini, audition my ass, its seem more like test your might" hahah these dudes are just trying to make him fail like crazy but he smashed it!
Are they actually humans?
+Davide Fiore good question
+Davide Fiore They're wizards
+Davide Fiore Absolutely NOT humans. I am convinced these are the aliens from outer space represented in the scientology cult belief system.
+Davide Fiore Its not proven .... and i have some serious doubts ...
+munchkin2405 at 3.50 its experimental fusion jazz .
This is much better than the last two albums combined together imo
i agree! even the drums sound better in this! :D hahaha
And even Mangini's hair was better LOL
I stopped listening anything new DT made when Octavarium came out. Just saw them the other day in Prague. Good as always, but.... Portnoy was better fit.
I want to watch Marco Edition.
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I think Mangini creamed his pants at some point here. He's a pleasure to watch. Dream Theater made the right choice.
Yep ... he's needy (since he has a family) and would never tell them to fuck off.Even though he should.
They should be called drum theatre
Always been a Portnoy fan... But after seeing this... I get it!! That was incredible!!!
this is much better than their last two albums imo
well I think that it's just a different point of view. We're used to listen their "intellectual" work in the albums, and this is their spontaneous music level, in a jam session. It's another way to approach music. I find both of them great.
Wow, it must be fun trying to follow jordan while jamming. The wizard plays exactly what's on his mind, so, you would never know what is he going to play.
Such great musicians :')
Mangini! The best choice for Dream Theater! Stop!
Mike Portnoy, the best choice for Dream Theater! End of story!
Gurra B Another person who did not understand anything of progressive metal. Progressive means innovation... Mike portnoy lost his innovation long time ago at train of thought... and labrie too... Even before. End of story
Gurra B Mike Portnoy quit which negates him from being any kind of choice for DT.
***** standart beats with some twists and turns isn't innovation, Mike's capabilities are moderate at best
i know much better drummers personally and sorry for the butthurt
/watch?v=DrhpqOx371M
/watch?v=ywlWkkNl19U
if you're looking for innovation
zgabiz95 you personally know better drummers that Mangini? Let's see them?
Mike's a great fit for the band for sure.
I saw the Aristocrats earlier this year and that drummer came in second for DT which you probably know. Yeah, Mike Mangini is where he belongs.
I'm quite sure he's a great fit anywhere.
True....true
Myung is like: E E E E E E E E D E E E E E E E E E E E E G A E E E E E E E E E G F# E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E
lmao. That's honestly why I've never really liked jamming. It's just a lot of vague thoughts over one chord that drones on.
@@erakattack Yeah after minute like... 10 of a jam I'm like ok guys I think we're about stretching out the audience's ability to enjoy this key and this scale. Lets at least switch keys.
i wish the last album had this sound production !
That;s the only downfall of "Dream Theater" the album. The videos put up from the tour so far sound better, despite the quality of some of the videos, so i think. It would make sense, and plus I love the snare drum sound in this video
you mean that because of the organic natural sound right? less process and more real
Yeah, let's go with that
miguel lopez
More real is always better, i never understood why all these studios are constantly doing these awful mastering with the volume of everything turned at max and why all the instruments are always overcompressed, this why some of the latest album sounds like shit (typical Roadrunner mixing/mastering with half digitaly triggered drumkits, fake sound and shit), cause the volume is so loud that if you don't have some decent speakers it will
the sampler era, unrealistic sounds with more attack, the first albums were a very tasteable warm sound insteed of this new clean vibe, like on the Mike Portnoy s snare.. that was so perfect
is this a random jam? i mean is this the very first time mike played with them?
It's supposed it was their first time..
Sanju Rahman yes
Mangini played the drums on James LaBrie’s solo album Elements of Persuasion, and he was a teacher at Berklee music school where DT formed
Always wondered if they already knew who they wanted to replace Portnoy. Mangini certainly displays a lot of the same showmanship. Of course he's a world class drummer as well.
omg this melody. why cant they put this in their album?
There last album, lacked groove, this, is groove. They need to stuff like this!
Portnoy have moore groove than Mangini, but they are both great drummers :)
Well, it would help!
8:20 and forward is magic!
Indeed......:D
sounds like guitar center
Post of the century!
What guitar center do you go to? Mine just sounds like a bunch of punk kids playing bad versions of Enter Sandman.
Fuck my tits man.. from 10:00 and out they sounded more like Dream Theater than they have sounded in years and years!! At 11:40 and out.. mind blown that this was a fuckin JAM.
Dream Theater; THAT is how your next album need to sound!
Mike is way better than Mike. :P
Which mike?mike or mike?
obviously Mike.
RockandMetal645 Indeed, Mike is better than Mike.
way better.
i totally disagree to all of you! mike is still better than mike.
Gods among us
THANK YOU!
For this video material from HEAVEN. This is the greatest jam session in the history of mankind.
Then ya musta forgot about Cream's final concert at the Royal Albert Hall on 26 November 1968.
I would die to see Marco Minneman's jam session... I bet it was more interesting, even if less technical...
Yeah how can we see the others
All of the auditions are in youtube. In a "movie documentary" kind. in 3 parts.
Felipe Machado . He was totally qualified. And was a true pro. The audition must have been before he got with Govan . In the bio , Aristocrats wasn't listed .
Technical doesn't mean good, it just means you have spent way to much time with lube and tissues
This is why DT with mangini are the best they've ever been, and the best collaboration of musicians the world has ever seen.
Right behind linkin park...... Not! Dream theater is the best
Opeth is great too. But in a different style
What's the best? you can't argue in tastes 'n colours
OK. Sorry, I mean dream theater is one of my favorite bands.
Regarding the fact that DT can simply play to every single person's taste (all genres, styles etc), I think you CAN state that they are the very best of the world.
I went to a drum festival at Berklee College of Music back in the day when Mangini was teaching, what an awesome hyper dude! He was telling us he helped Portnoy get his double bass faster amongst other different techniques. Crazy watching him audition for them.
I love it how Petrucci lets go of the pressure of being the interviewer towards the end of the video and concentrates on the playing and jamming.
This whole session could have been a mix of new album songs of DT and LTE.
I also have to agree with the commenter who is amazed at the tune after 8:30. Simply amazing.
This jam session would be the perfect music for the level of a video game that's so hard it's almost unbeatable.
eldorado69 so is a peanut butter sandwich.
3:03 every DT album since Portnoy left
It's really funny, as a musician for the last 30 years or so, I never really liked DT. I just "Didnt Get it". Since they got Mangini, and I have gotten to be older and hopefully wiser, Suddenly it all makes sense to me now, but only after laboring thru listening to them for countless hours just admiring the musicianship. They are a very deep technical band, and definitely not for everyone. Yes they are a bit over indulgent at times, but hey, when your some of the best musicians in the world, why the hell not. I would rather hear them riff for hours than any musicians I know personally. Now I have been going back thru the catalog, and im really digging alot of their earlier stuff as well. It just takes a while to get to like them, but once you understand where they are going musically, its easy to like.
+Jim Owens I feel similarly. I was exposed to them ages ago, but only in the last 6 years or so have I been digging into their discography and discovering all the hidden gems on each album. It's interesting how some albums didn't stand out much at first and took longer to grow on me than others, but the more I listened, the more I heard the details and the better it gets! Weird because a lot of other bands I like it's the opposite; they have songs that stand out and seem like instant classics, but the more you listen, the more boring and repetitive it gets. lol
But yeah, I'm, not knocking other bands or DT, everything has it's place but I have grown to enjoy most of the styles that DT offer, but it wasn't instant. ;)
I wouldn't say it's easy.
I completely get that!
I can understand that Jim. I was introduced to them about 20 years ago by my bass player at the time.. he played me puppies on Acid from once in a live time (later learned it was an excerpt from the Mirror). after the first 10 seconds of hearing that groove, I fell in love with DT. I literally went out the next day and bought scenes from a memory.. to this day it remains one of my all time fav albums along with 6 degrees of inner turbulence. not only was it fated for me to experience this band but there progressive style carved its way into my own song writing and pushed me to develop on a more advanced level.. Its funny how things turn out. :)
A lot of their songs are very difficult for me to follow, not being a musician myself. But the ones I can, I absolutely adore. Their songs are what I call 'Sonic Experiences', something most mainstream music lacks, in my opinion
This is the DT I want to hear: loose, but tight, experimental, with a discernable groove, and relaxed. Imho, I feel like this is DT at their best, not overblown complexity for its own sake.
I will confess before I make my comment I am not a huge DT fan but I can certainly appreciate the musicianship. Those that know my comments know I am a fan of 3 min punk rock but with regards to the drum battle going on below I can say from a drummers point of view when it gets to this level it is irrelevant who is better than whom as the quality being played is something one should just sit back listen and appreciate. These chaps certainly expect a lot from their drummer. One almighty audition and this chap does not disappoint. To those that have been knocking Mike Portnoy please re-listen as throughout all those awkward time signatures Mike Portnoy is phenomenal. From a drummers point of view I try not to listen too much as makes me realise the gap between the semi pros and the top of the pro tree and it is absolutely huge. Mike Mangini steps into Mike Portnoys shoes and I would say even having the ability to attempt that shows that this chap will very soon become a household name as to play in those complex patterns in those time signatures is worthy of admiration.
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Arief Salim, Extreme, Waiting for the Punchline.
Arief Salim, Extreme, Waiting for the Punchline.
portnoy super saiyan mode hahaha
Mangini is from other planet!
This naturally sounds like a DT song!! Awesome!
But how does he play along to James’ tambourine? See I ask the real questions
Grub Band yg variasi musik'ny paling rumit d Garap, yg selow ajh sulit apa lg yg ngebit..!? 🤓👍👍
Wow, I have a lot of respect for Mangini for keeping up with these guys! A lot of people bash him, but in all actuality he's doing a helluva job.
For a first time jam with dream theater, you gotta give mangini a break! he has done such a phenomenal job with the band in picking up so much musical traction. it took many years and hours with portnoy to make the dream theater you see now, and mangini pretty much picked it up over night. props mangini! :)
8:22 ........ that's how you know when the band was meant to be. Best part of the session. Literally gave me chills
It's a cloudy day, I need to relax, and this helps.
Although Mike is not my favorite drummer, I admit that this improvisation session is beyond mindblowing. Being able to express those ideas proves that he is one of a kind drummer.
8:20 on is SOOO good.
Oh my god, now THAT'S the real DT
I could listen to these guys jam all day....their albums? Not so much....
So who came here because they like Distance Over Time?
In all honesty. Mangini played here far better than he's playing in current shows... With the aggressive feel that DT needs and always had...
Most likely they are burning him out. Fucked up personalities tend to do that.
No way bro. You haven’t been to a DT show lately
"The Show" has nothing to do with the personalities behind the curtain. I watched all the auditions and saw their "vibe". They're ego's are huge. I would never work for or with those guys ... and it is not because I don't have the creative talent or chops.
It's just the way they "carry" themselves, that's all.
@@johndoe-rp3hz nope. No egos in band except maybe for Jordan.
petrucci is a beast.
But that doesn't make him a great PLAYER.
@@johndoe-rp3hz third comment of yours bashing on dt with probably 2% skill or creativity(whatever instrument you play) compared to these geniuses, jealous much?
@@iamtheone5049 Many more than 3 comments were made, however I do give credit where credit is due. Read my posts. 2% of Magini's skill set is definitely on the low side for a direct comparison and ones creative reality cannot be measured, only appreciated.So what is your point? Jealousy. Does he possess something that I must have? No. And while bandying about the qualifier "genius" that you have bestowed upon these boys, remember that not one of them made it into any of the top music conservatories of the world today.
I’ve never seen a drummer more aware of himself and his surroundings. This is a little surreal.
That's what a professional musician should be, always!
Portnoy is unique in his way, but I have to say, I don't miss him at all. Mangini does a really good job.
The problem when people talk about Portnoy is that they think of him as a drummer when in reality he was one of the main songwriters. He was starting to repeat himself to the point there was nothing to repeat, but some of the best DT songs came from his ideas. THAT'S the part thats irreplaceable.
I miss his backup vocals. He was excellent at that.
Tecnicly gifted , but left M. PORTNOY 's heart , the first time did i see the audition Mangoni is awesome but the time make me esr better and DT whitout Portniy its like The Rolling Stones without Richard , left the heart and folks in music the hearts plyer makes the diference , i love DT but I start follow Portnoy's job whitout DT abd he never stop too surprise me , I MISS YOU MIKE P
I'm really enjoying this...
It's freaking awesome!
anyone know if its possible to get some DT albums without the vocal track.. ?
Chris Thomas Look for multitracks
+Chris Thomas It's called Liquid Tension Experiment.
+Nolan Pettersen yeh, and I love their stuff... there's just not enough of it
+Chris Thomas If you want to spend a lot of money on overpriced isolated tracks, you can get instrumentals of most of their songs on jammit. Otherwise, Black Clouds and Silver Linings + A Dramatic Turn of Events are the only 2 albums that had a second disc of instrumental versions. There's a few other isolated tracks around about like The Enemy Inside bonus track and various stems ripped from the songs on Guitar Hero/Rock Band games.
Yes, basically DT thought the same way, so they sneaked behind LaBrie and would meet often in an underground set to record new stuff, and thus Liquid Tension Experiment was formed. They also invited other famous musicians to help them along the way. They made two great albums with no vocals because who needs vocals, least of all LaBrie's vocals. Every part of this comment is true.
its weird to watch Mangini playing on such a small kit
I think he is perfect fit for DT and I just love the drums in distance over time (especially pale blue dot). Don't know if he had more freedom now than before.
I think he got the part because he didn’t play to them he played with them
Totally!
Petrucci is playing Carnatic music.
I can't stand this band, but Mangini is an innovator and a unique talent. Portnoy obviously has chops, but there is absolutely nothing unique about anything he does. That's not meant to bad mouth the man as he's built an impressive career. But Mangini is simply in another class in terms of technique and creativity.
Well, there are few that can compare in pure speed to him.But hey, when the speed limit is 55 ya gotta come up with swagger! I think that is where a lot of the monster chop players fail these days. They are so busy working on playing fast, that when a slow section comes up to lay it down straight they all just kinda gloss over it like it isn't that important. But we all know THAT is where it's at !!! Just an observation.
Amazing feeling to improvise! Can be not better timbre, but is very technical and smart, absolutely.
Very professional indeed.
DT is Men from another planet. Amazing! :)
I'd like to be the bass player in DT. Just play whatever since you can't be heard and collect the paycheck.
That's how you weed out the good from the great. Timing, change ups etc. a real audition basically bc anybody can show up & throw out some fancy pants beats but the real is just what u see in this vid.
They should really approach music the same way gavin harrison does. DT latealy are now just a band that tries to sound cocky that they have the ability to play in odd time sigs, gavin said its cool to play in odd time sigs but you have to be able to groove/dance or relate to it in any way . and lately the msuics just bland as hell
TheeOneUp Oh, well if Gavin said so..........please. And Portnoy says this, and Weckl says that, and Greb said this and Colaiuta says that...............who cares.
TheeOneUp Fully agreed, :)
TheeOneUp PT FTW!!!!!
Mangini is a Monster!!