YF-23 The World's Only INVISIBLE airplane
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Its beautiful. its awesome. And it has an RCS about the size and shape of a spider. The documentary WEB OF SECRECY looks at the men who made it. At last we know the truth about why the Air Force trashed it!
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Northrop got robbed. This aircraft is one of the most beautiful planes ever produced. It’s a shame that this aircraft never got put into service.
GUYS, long band radar can detect stealth craft, but it can also detect every tiny particle of matter in the sky until your radar screen is covered with static.
It is very hard to use.
A quick glance at the parallelogram wings and ruddervators, the highly canted ruddervators, combined with the sleek, smooth, streamlined fuselage will tell anyone that , even without adding RAM, this plane's fundamental shape beats the F-22 ''Craptor'' hands down in terms of RCS, supercruise and acceleration.
Yay the F-23 returns :D. I always loved the F-22 and F-23, but was always sad that the F-23 never saw the spotlight like the 22. But now it has returned seemingly better than ever. XD
This plane appears to have gone away. But i'm sure the air force had better plans for this "loser" jet. A plane this good just simply doesn't go away.
+Miguel Rodriguez If it's too expensive and not adapted to the needs (like the F22) it goes away.
Cocandre yes, it goes away from the general public. But this plane was too good to just throw away. I'm sure many of the new technologies incorpotated were not discarded, specially if the system was considered revolutionary. A similar case: the f18 lost to the f16 in their contest for the USAF's light fighter, in the 70s. But the loser became the navy's premier fighter. Also, when a weapon is too expensive, the brass at the Pentagon will not necessarily discard it ALL the time, just like the f35.
+Miguel Rodriguez Actually a YF-17 lost to the F-16, the loser became the F-18, which is actually a heavier and slightly larger jet.
+mapanggulo Yeah, after reading up on the contest between yf-22 and yf-23 it seems the testing criteria we're getting weighted for jobs that neither of the planes ultimately ended up being built for ( navy pulled out of the program ). I've heard this plane might have overall, been less expensive and just as capable ( if not more so due to the criteria ). Strange how these were evaluated.
True. It's in the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force.
A Thing of true Beauty!
Narrator:"Beyond sound barrier"
Me:"Beyond budget"
Anyone who hates America should get off this American website.
***** Haha! Your funny. I am not Israeli.
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+Elijah920 build by indians and chinese from silicon valley
+harris3693 Actually, the term is, "For all intents and purposes," NOT, "In all intensive purposes." The correct phrasing is clear and sensible, your version is neither.
+Paul Erricson
Yeah, and facebook is Irish. Americans just love Europe if it’s about grabbing more money and evading taxes in the US ;)
The Northrop/McDonnell Douglas YF-23 was an American single-seat, twin-engine fighter aircraft designed for the United States Air Force (USAF). The design was a finalist in the USAF's Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) competition, battling the Lockheed YF-22 for a production contract. Two YF-23 prototypes were built with the nicknames "Black Widow II" and "Gray Ghost".
In the 1980s, the USAF began looking for a replacement for its fighter aircraft, especially to counter the USSR's advanced Sukhoi Su-27 and Mikoyan MiG-29. Several companies submitted design proposals; the USAF selected proposals from Northrop and Lockheed. Northrop teamed with McDonnell Douglas to develop the YF-23, while Lockheed, Boeing and General Dynamics developed the YF-22.
The YF-23 was stealthier and faster, but less agile than its competitor. After a four-year development and evaluation process, the YF-22 was announced the winner in 1991 and entered production as the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. The U.S. Navy considered using the production version of the ATF as the basis for a replacement to the F-14, but these plans were later canceled. The two YF-23 prototypes were museum exhibits as of 2009
Huh
Thank God no one figured out all they had to do was copy this to have a gen-6 world-beater. The performance was stunning. Lockheed went back to the drawing board twice just to pretend to compete.
the F-22 instead of this? got to be a low bid, if any, to give LM the contract
+Wind Squid when was this revealed?
+Kentos Freshmaker Can ye read?
www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/12/1464322/-Cutting-ONE-Pentagon-Boondoggle-Would-Allow-Everyone-To-Go-To-College-for-Free-Thru-2040?detail=facebook
I read it from somewhere but the us chose the f22 over the 23 was due to f22 more 'conventional' design as the 23's was very different than the planes the air force had
+Wind Squid Yeah, can you cite your sources?
I guess this plane is truly invisible, since its visible only inside the museum.
Not sure if you're video title is correct, the F22 Raptor is a 5th gen stealth fighter jet. It has that shape which makes it invisible to radar, not to mention that they fly really high and speeds up to Mach 2 with afterburners.
"and all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of invisible jets will be crushed by a disapointing reality"
Igor Konashenkov.
This did everything better than the F-22. Lockheed just knows it’s market and cut corners.
Yes, you have the best airplane. Absolutely. But where do you get the money to support the production of all these 'super' machines? It's the economic strength that supports the national strength of a country, not military strength.
You Just tell that to China when they are Flying over your house at will and we can not stop them!
Rohan vescovinator
boast all you want but labor without God and we labor in vain, a night watchman guarding the walls without god guards in vain. fact this country can now be defeated in war because we have lost the blessings of the mighty God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
God raised this country up from nothing against all odds, building a country like this was remarkable and being born here was like winning the lottery because most of the humans on this planet but not all struggle day to day just finding food.
YOU godless and worshipers of false gods you have doomed this country. Your blindness will not allow you to see how good we had it before you all abandoned Jesus and embraced doctrines of death.
Enjoy your hell hole you made for us all.
lol
They go hand in hand. A strong economy will not stop an advancing army, another army will. And that army is maintained and supplied with... a strong economy.
very true also allies are very important too that is why the Soviet Union collapsed because it only force and military control not a true alliance like the west did this is why in the end putin will fail his power is base on the same structure of the past
I loved this plane, because of all the Video games it's actually in. It's freaking a BEAST!
TH-cam commenters. In a real/mock battle, who do you think would win? The Black Widow VS F-22 Raptor?
I'm voting for the Black Widow.
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I find the design of the YF-23 to be beautiful and stunning.
the B2 Stealth bomber and the F-117 Nighthawk are also invisible to radar..guess they dont count hm?
There are several different kinds of radar. One of which is the radar signal that is generated by the aircraft to detect adversaries. B2 and F117 can be detected by tracing their radar transmissions. The YF23 had stealth radar transmissions. It was totally silent. And it had far superior engine cooling so its heat signature was minimal compared to the other two.
+JEnkins91589 Your comparing apples to oranges. The F-117A has been retired for a few years now, although people still claim they see them from time to time. The F-117A was also one of the worlds first stealth aircraft (circa 1981), but from what I've gathered it was actually quite unstable in flight. The B-2 strategic bomber, is just that a bomber and is part of the U.S nuclear delivery system, it's made to stay in the air for quite literally days at a time.
If you want actual stealth fighters then you have this as well as the F-22 and now the F-35. I also heard that the F-117A was more of a bomber in a sense, not really the kind of plane you'd want to be in during a dog fight. The F-117A/B-2 were designed to infiltrate enemy airspace, inflict maximum damage by hitting specific targets and then GTFO.
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I wasnt exactly comparing them for their jobs, I was comparing because the title is invisible airplane, in which they all fit.
+XyroNO stealth has been proven to have been common knowledge as far back as ww2,..it just took the good ol..u.s..with her deep pockets to develop Hav-blue..then the F-1''17...nighthawk wich came in a fighter version an a bomber version...the thinking was even though it was sub sonic if u loaded it with aim 9's..an sidewinders....u had a very effected stand off target engaigment capaility...but the concept of a fighter/bomber that could not manuver bothered military pentagon officials so much...we developed some that could
Psygnosis DD yea...lol..war is practical,,U.S....military is not...an we all watch to many movies....in Russia they look ,shoot,,an you die..lol...agreed,,stealth is BULLSHIT.
It looks like "invisible condom" advertising. You can't see it but you can feel it )))))
Just watched this documentary, and I've got to say that I expected more...
No question it was more advanced than the F-22 but more complex to build in mass numbers!
A simple look at stealth is camo. (1) It works best for those who are not looking for it. (2) If its technology is leaps and bounds over its opponents. (3) A tool that is wielded by a master. (who is better trained at it and its use). But no matter how you look at it, it still is a big advantage to those who have it.
P.S. Everybody catches up sooner or later. What is a trap if someone knows its there. Also, this is a very big game of cat and mouse easier said than done.
This beautiful girl is the TSR-2 of stealth technology. Funny how ‘the other side’ always seems to win.😏
Hey look at all the American haters using American technology and websites to bash America LMAO!
sure we are hater, cause u country destroy other country, fking yankkk
wrong. most of the tech the Yanks claim they invented they stole from other countries. computors and internet was invented by allan turing a british scientists in the 1930,s. Out of all the major countries the USA was the last to get a jet plane. Britain had jet planes in the 1930,s. yanks didnt get them till the early 1950,s. Britain had jets flying by 1933. But due to budget cuts and lack of jet fuel they didnt enter service till 1944.
Recent figures show the USA is the most religios of all the NATO countries. they have the lowests education, highest crime rates, worst health care and lowest on tech. they r about 30 years behind on tech to all the other NATO countries and lowest morals.
Being x brit army we planned what would happen if the soviets attacked NATO. the result was USA would be wiped out in less than a week. Thats due to very poor training very poor equipment and poor disapline. The soviets alone without the other warsaw pact countries outnumbered NATO 100 planes to 1 500 -1 on tanks. the soviets tanks and planes were also far higher quality than the US ones. in tests we worked out only the british and german armies could stand up against the soviets. but even then we wouldnt of lasted more than a month.
The soviets made it clear they had no fear of the yanks. the only thing that held them back was fear of the british and german military.
In a war u need weapons that r cheap and fast to replace not very expensive weapons that r very hard to replace. Whats the point in spending millions on 1 plane that can get shot down by a very cheap anti air missle? The Iraqis shot down several stealth bombers using very cheap obsolete russian anti air missles. Whats the point in having a plane that has to spend 30 hrs in maintance between each mission before it can fly another mission? 1 EMP blast can take out every weapon the yanks have in seconds due to their reliance on computors to work. My unit had computerised systems but we rarely used them cause we knew the danger of EMP weapons taking them out. so we trained to use older systems that we can use without all the tech. Russia has EMP weapns that cant be detected or stopped once fired. They dont need to drop a nuke to get the EMP its just a radio wave they launch from satelites. no warning and no way to block it. USA has them as well. its what causes the power failures in the US as they r test firing them and it knocks out power lines and power stations.
Example from WWII spitfires were expensive to build and took a long time to repair them. 2k spits were built nearly all were shot down. hurricanes fast and cheap to build. 20k built 1k shot down. Spits could only operate in europe cause other places were not compatable with the design and the airfields had to be very flat and smooth. hurricanes could fly from just about any field and could operate in any climate. Development of the spit started in 1933 and was taken out of servuce in 1945. Hurricane development started in 1916 and r still in service to this day but under diff names. its currenty called the eurofighter. other names the hurricane used was hart, fury, typhoon and tempest. all the same plane just redesigned and upgraded. With the fury they just took off the top wing. lowerd the bottom wing made it bigger and altered the engine cowling to fit in the merlin engine.
When a spit got hit by bullets it took weeks to repair it and get it back in the sky. They would have to use a welding torch to cut out the damaged section them get another section sent over from the factory which usualy meant making it 1st. Hurricanes they just used a bit of wood glue and a wooden plug and filled the hole in then glued a bit of cloth over it. on avargae a hurricane only took about 30 mins to repair refuel and rearm before it could take off again. spit usualy took several hrs to rearm and refuel without doing repairs.
Even though the spit got all the glory from the battle of britain they were actualy very poor in dogfights against the ME109,s. the only advantage they had was they were 2 miles an hr faster and could climb faster. but the ME109 could dive faster and turn faster. Hurricanes were slow but could out turn the ME109 which is whats needed in a dog fight the ability to out manouver the other plane.
In a combat test done in asia a couple of years ago they put the F35, F22, F18 and F16 up against the russian migs and SU,s. no contest the russian planes won hands down. the yank planes were blown out of the sky before they even spotted the russian planes. So much for stealth lol. At least the F16 got a few shots off before they went down but failed to hit anything. the F35 and F22 didnt even know what hit them at close dog fighting range let alone BVR.
i actually thought the title said invincible before clicking in here boooo
they made it in just 44 months.. and i think world might not be able to make this after 44 year... waow.. amazing
There is no invisible airplanes for Russian air defence.
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I think both aircraft are beautiful I like the design of the yf23 more never seen nothing like it just imagine what there building in secret for the future 👀
PFFFT ! INVISIBLE , I SAW IT THE HOLE TIME
The plane derived from different programs, all to stop Mig-25/31 and Sukhois s-27. F-22 is faf more maneuverable and had performed weapon testing during the programme. I agree that the -23 would maybe be a good bomber, for which she seems to be better fitted...ground IR , more bay cap.....
So where's the band? My friend told me to check out 23 airplanes but I can't seem to find them.
In WWii, the p40 I think was 12 months from drawing board to first one off the assembly line.
Awesome, beautiful and haunting aircraft.
This is the plane the USAF should be buying & flying instead of the POS Raptor.
jdj62464 The F-23 has less maneuvaribilty than the F-22Thats the official thing why they didnt choose to make it on full production,on the other hand the F-22 has a vectored thrust which is more maneuvarable than the F-23.
Feb Harry David The ONLY reason that is because the F-22 has thrust vectoring. And that is only good for doing stunts, which no real pilot would ever do in combat. So its a mute point.
it autoplays and i just start hearing "Where the Streets Have No Name".
Y2F [PAV1 + PAV2] respectively (take off) (land itself) pilot trained for that specific air force base the former dreamliner went into defense.
0:38.. swiping security card without the magnatic strip. 'Super Classified-Top Secret Project' haha
That's a security feature used in high end secure military and civilian installations and some important commercial buildings, such as banks. If anyone steals the keycard, they would logically assume, like you did, that they should scan it on the magnetic side, but actually that particular keycard, if swiped in the traditional manner, would not work and would alert security.
Looks awesome! I'm a fighter jet enthusiast and I must admit that I've never even heard a whiff of a whiff of a rumour about this baby! So, is it a specialised bomber or an air superiority fighter? It looks like it's got thrust vectoring, really nice. Looks like Lockheed are the only ones who know how to handle their business.
How did you managed to take this picture of the invisible man ?
The YF-23 was FAR MORE stealthier and
MUCH faster than the F-22 ''Craptor''.
The YF-23 on the F120 engines had breathtaking
acceleration and supercruised at no less than Mach 1.64
(some sources say above Mach 1.80), while the ''Craptor''
supercruised at a struggling Mach 1.43 on the F119 engines.
Common sense would tell anyone that, even without
RAM, the parallelogram wings and steeply canted ruddervators instantly conferred very small RCS to the YF-23.
And it doesn't take a stealth scientist to tell us that,
without RAM and other stealth enhancing features,
the basic conventional shape of the F-22 could not
possibly survive in the face of modern radar defences.
Northrop's Chief Scientist at that time, Yu Ping Liu
said - '' We knew their (the YF-22's) RCS. There was
no way we could have lost . ''
The selection of the F-22 has been called by some
as the ''biggest scam in US military history''.
Well I'll be the judge of this. Because I and at least two witnesses have witness a plane disappearing. I'll tell you if this is what we saw.
If the Raptor's been cancelled from being ordered now, can't the YF-23 chime in? Perhaps, it's cause the F-23 is more expensive, and if they took it first, the F-23 would have been gone from production in a year....
You can see it because you are not a radar screen. The point is - no one could see it at 25,000 feet. Especially radar.
unfortunately the F22 formerly known as the Raptor, renamed the Zombie, for the deal.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but I can see it.
They should of built atleast one hundred of these.
wow I can't see the plane, what are we talking about guys? oh wait maybe I'm blind.. let me get my glasses. .
So scary to see this was posted 6 days before 9/11
The F-23 was far superior to the F-22. But, P&W said if they didn’t win the contract they would shut down their military assembly plants and go strictly commercial. So the government saying they paid for the developed technology stole the engine plans from GE and gave it to P&W because the GE engine would super cruise. That is Mach 1.5 without afterburners. Plus the materials in the engine made for much less fuel consumption and much less heat. The 23 should have been selected. Politics played out on this one big time. Maybe GE’s kickbacks weren’t enough. I know this because I worked for one of these companies on the project.
Hey I thought this was "invisible". Funny story - last Fall in Duluth I got great video of the f-22 which had to fly super low because of clouds that nearly stopped the show. Next day I heard the loud bird go over on its way East - and behind it an even louder plane that was only a ripple in the sky and actually invisibe - probably my design for a super fighter usign HOPE tech with a magnetic field around ti that bends light, and mazer weapons, so it is nealry invisible. Videos to follow if I escape"them"!!!!
Oh hey did anyone notice that Congress cancelled funds for Project Black Swift? By no coincidence at all my similar design was called The Swift, yet it exhausted pure water so no one can ever know.
That plane looks very visible to me...
this bird of pray cannot be sitting waiting to unleas it power, it was made for an eagle.
YF-23 's payload is what killed it .
No plane is truly invisible to radar. Stealth makes a plane HARDER TO DETECT NOT INVISABLE! If the YF-23 is really all that then how did the F-22 Raptor whoop its ass during the contest?
Absolutely beautiful. Such a shame, this is what might have been. Most contracts are decided on by accountants rather than military men.
Anyone think there still being built above top secret some where?Maybe im really uninformed except all the the negative press im getting on f-22 and f-35.I love this aircraft lets cut some losses and build more if possible?
looks like a great plane, it even looks meaner than the other stealth aircraft. Well sometimes politics effects mission readiness, efficiency and effectiveness mostly for the worst and thus the YF-23 will never see production in any real numbers.
Also we must always look at the logistics of fielding such craft. this seem to never enter the minds of the weapons manufactures and Generals as aircraft like this can spend as much as 10 hours in maintenance for every hour in flight.
God bless America and her allies.
I got a plane parked out on my back yard.... is invisible too!!!
It was too sexy for this un-deserving world...
The F22 has to be designed after the YF-23, similar in design..
Should've gone with this instead of the Raptor, even if just for looks.
This is one cool looking plane, this is the one that lost the contract against the F22 and F35 right? I think the Widow Maker is a better design as well as better looking, as far as the Stealth signature, I guess we will not have a side by side for a reason.
Hows it invisible? i see it right there
This would have been a great long range fighter bomber.
Northrop - Illuminati springs to mind.
+tomas marin look at the f-22 then at this one COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Why do I still see it?
Wonder Woman has the worlds only invisible aircraft!!!
dont talk about prototypes talk about mass production as MIG 31
It's invisible because you never see it used.
The best fighter jet ever made in the world👌
A black widow on the web..... are they talking about a spider or a damn plane
the position of the air intake and engine will expose part of the fan blade from the front
the weapons are stacked up in the internal bay, the outside ones have to be fired first
the fuselage is too long, not ideal for a fighter
so why is it not on the roster with f-22&f35? This plane is cool.
If you look at it this looks like the F-22. I'm guessing this was before the F-22 and they based it off of this except making the F-22 smaller and more maneuverable.
+Toastable Pie The time period of when this plane (the YF-23) was made, was in the early 1990's . It was also when the F-22 (or the YF-22 as it was called back then) was made as well. The two jets competed for the Air Force's ATF (Advanced Tactical Fighter) program and the YF-23 Black Widow II Lost the contest. The YF-22 won an continued to be researched and developed into the production version we have today, the F-22A Raptor.
+Rodrigs99 yeah that too
this thing is beautiful.
You are all incorrect. All stealth planes, including this one, are visible to the JORN radar system Australia uses.
I was in the air force when the competition between the YF-22 and the YF-23 where held and the YF-23 was a better airplane in all respects except one. The Name of the manufacturer was Northrop. They've been getting screwed by the government for a long long time. The decision was made to get the 22 because "they need the business more than Northrop". I read that as someone bribed the decision making people.
PS maybe Canada can build a plane for the US. There very capable up there i am finding out. I hear they built one in the 50s that has performance second to none
No tail makes a VLO fighter just like the B-2.
it's actually been told often
Ever since InvisibleTechTV told the story to the world, it has had Millions of fans and views
Is this a sixth generation fighter jet?
1:00 when does not a test pilot say that on television after testing a new plane?
For whatever reasons Congress chose YF22 over this plane is beyond logic, just saying..
Excuse me, did you say the same about the F-117?
No...the radar signature of this plane was way smaller than F117.
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i would take the yf-23 black widow over the f-22 raptor any day. the military screwed up picking the raptor.
two words:passive radars
HOLY SHIT, I CAN SEE AN "INVISIBLE" PLANE
bull shit.. i can see it
Not on a radar screen you can't. It shows up as a spider. Fact.
+InVisibleTechTV F22 is better
+J Y Probably you don't know that there was to prototipe of planes calle YF-22 and YF-23, YF-22 wins and become the actual F-22, YF-23 programm lose and was deleted, but they are two different planes.
+InVisibleTechTV " Not on a radar screen you can't. It shows up as a spider. Fact. "
Is that fact huh, it will literally look like a spider on the radar screen? That's a HUGE blip compared to the little dots that usually show up then and whats more, everyone will know what plane it is because of its distinctive "spider" outline on the radar.
Isis and Taliban didn't see it,maybe you can help them .lmao
The YF-23 should've gotten the contract.
f-22's are less stealth than slower than the yf-23's, but more agile than the yf-23's
No shit
happiest mlg noob noscoper PAV 2 was the fastest with it's General Electric engines and could super cruise faster than mach 1.8
YF-23 is more like a little fast bomber than a fighter, is like the continuation of the family B-52, B1, B2 and this one.
The agility difference between the two was minimal the thrust vectoring didn't make much of a difference for the F22 they both achieved the same 70degree aoa. The difference was the Northrup team wasn't allowed to say the flight capabilities at the time because the numbers were so good the air force literally didn't believe them. The big difference was the huge canted vertical stabilizers don't have flaps they actually fully rotate
Funny, for an invisible plane I find it surprisingly easy to see.
Invisible means 'not visible to the eye.' The use of 'invisible' to say 'not detectable by radar' is hyperbole. Furthermore, it *is* detectable by radar. It is just less detectable. Between the two of us, I am clearly not the dumbass. You can keep your personal insults to yourself, along with the rest of your worthless, ignorant words. Thanks.
+Robert Miles
Actually "invisible" can mean very different things depending on context. Duke University researchers just invented an acoustic cloaking device that is "invisible to sonar". It isn't an impossible exaggeration, but rather an alternate definition, so the word hyperbole was inappropriate for your comment as well. Your first comment was clever and funny, but your second comment was neither. You're certainly not a dumbass, but that guy is indeed a prick.
+Robert Miles LOL Well I thought it was a funny comment.......
+Robert Miles yes, you maybe have an invisible brain due to it was covered by skull & skin but i can see clearly that your brain is empty but air on it.
Youre so stupid its not even near funny
It really depends upon what airspeed you're talking about.
The F-23 had superior maneuverability at higher airspeeds, and also had laminar flow over its wings through much greater angles of attack (because of the same wedge wing design that reduced viscous drag). The F-22 had superior handling at low airspeeds due to thrust vector control.
It basically boils down to whether you want to look good at airshows or kill things.
This plane is so stealthy it never seen in war
Wish the price tag was invisible.
That can be fixed, but the price itself remains the same unfortunately
I bet it would be same as the F 22 because it doesn't have horizontal stabilizers.
@@esdsohx1196 what are you talking about? Go warch something about the concept of V-tails
Oh no the Americans posted a video about their stuff, Quick dislike it and express your hatred in the comment section. And that pretty much sums up all videos about America. Yeah im off to play Murica field 4 now.
F u
Benjamin Sales eh why?
Still never gave me an answer Mr. Sales.
AMERICA IS THE SMARTEST IN THE WORLD FOR MAKING THE BEST,,EVERYONE TRIES TO COPY AMERICAN AND STEAL OUR TECHNOLOGY,,AND WHY THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IT
I can still see the plane.
I call bullshit! >:0
The cost of That prototype, that will never see production ,could have fed the eastern seaboards homeless and poverty level americans for 7 years and bought them all a house to live in. Russia is a democracy and rich,who are we fighting with machines like this,China is our largest trading partner,everyone just wants to make money and party,,,who's the kiljoy? the old german SS'ers? the royal families of europe?the white russians of texas?Cool as fighter jets are, I'd rather have world peace and my own lear jet and classic p-51 mustang to play with,,,,fuck war and national debt.
Russia's a democracy? When did that happen?
synapse131 since russia began voting for their leadership and became the most democratic country when the held national referendums on current political decisions to insure the russian people agreed with leadership policies,lets see obama or any other european country try that.
yankeephil1 You've got to be kidding right? Putin tells you'll who to vote for and you'll do it so that's democracy? LMAO. You'll have an Autocracy not a democracy. Please look them up.
Go to Russia and see for yourself. one picture is worth a thousand words.
Agreed. Seems a purportedly stealth fighter got shot down over Serbia. Anyone know if that is true.