Lately i have been getting flashes of my mistakes in meditation. I have made it a practice to forgive myself for my actions and offer them to divine Mother. Thank you. I was raised in an african derived tradition where trance states are key to the apiritual experience of the religion. It has been great aid as i am able to get into trance before i even start the techniques. Now i have been having very slow breath and when i look at people and things i see them as made of light even with eyes closed sometimes.
Yes, I'm fairly new to spiritual exploration (about 4 yrs) and very new to this wonderful channel but I've always felt that purposely trying to kill off or suppress a part of yourself...your humanness is not the way to go, not for me.
Refreshing right! Vedanta, Sankhya and true Yogic teachers who deleniate these teachings into experience do not believe in ego death. They teach that using the proper techniques with surrender you can surmount the sense of self in deep states after long immersive concentration, which happens spontanseously. Ego death and killing the ego is a non-sense New Age practice that is quite destructive and dangerous. Great comment!
@@blueclarity No it's not the way period. the ego is our capacity to reflect, be aware, be the observant of this life experience. It's a tool, a very useful performant tool.
Perfect, Anne! Wonderfully said! Yes, I'm a big believer in it. This is actually the deeper road of spirituality. ... Perfect, Blue Clarity! ... So perfect as usual, Joshua!
Just wanted to drop a thank you for this particular topic, of which I was completely unaware. I had never heard this phrase before, but it was a perfect description for one of my personal stumbling blocks. 2023 was quite a year, and I am grateful to have read your book and watched your videos. Incorporating (or perhaps observing) the proofs/essentials brought great richness to my practice, and indeed helped with consistency of outcomes. The idea of training yogic skill (and the milestones on that path) has really resonated. 🔔🌟 Your Friday vids have been an extra bonus going into the weekend. Thank you for the abundance of weekly work you do, your diligence and patience in finishing this book for us, and very happy new year man.
Excellent advice. I sometimes wondered if I was falling asleep or just going into deep meditation. When you hit that "jerk awake" moment, you know it was falling asleep. Now I know that's not a good road to go down. Thanks!
Wow a big thumb up and exactly what I needed to hear, I especially appriciated the part of the subconsious, not shy away...but to embrace...sounds so easy when you say it...great points...thank you.
Yes!!! Very resonating 🙌 To be a whole human being, I believe there needs to be a continuous dance between our ego-less self and the ego part of us. In fact, I believe the dance in between the ego and the ego-less creates our flow! 🙌 I totally agree that meditation shouldn't be done to induced sleep. Meditation is coming home to yourself, that's the beauty 🙌 I’m guilty of meditating in the wee hours of the morning because I might feel wide awake and I love meditating. I'm excited to meditate with every opportunity I get 😆 it’s like exploring. Your videos speak truths!!!🙏🙌
When I run after what I think I want, my days are a furnace of stress and anxiety; if I sit in my own place of patience, what I need flows to me, and without pain. From this I understand that what I want also wants me, is looking for me and attracting me. There is a great secret here for anyone who can grasp it. Rumi
You make all this feel very relatable and . possible . Yes I loved the part , you make it home and are able to say, it was all part of me and I still made it. Absolutely beautiful.
Thank you for the information and guidance. I experience stone samadi most of the time. I thought I have to be in that kind of state but thankfully I now know that is not the case. I don't have a guru to guide me because of my situation and place so I just watch TH-cam video and try to learn. Thank you for your guidance 🙂.
Thank you for this. I experienced this today after reaching the pratyahara state, my body had a tingling vibration, and I noticed that it would cut out just for a split second and I would lose consciousness, then regain it (along with the vibration), this would repeat every 10 seconds or so.
Thankyou so much for this - i needed to hear these things right now, - and thanks for the note about no mediation before sleep - - -i'm still trying to get 'time' for myself in the house - but meditation outdoors is wonderful- good thing i'm a winter girl 🙂
Wow and wow sir..no words to express my gratitude i am speechless to watch this video..i am sooo blessed to have this amazing and so deep teachings about stone samadi..and how one has to be so aware while meditation...at the same time mindfulness and focusing on the meditation. Thank you so much God bless much love always sir.🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤
Great timing! This morning I was going deeper into meditation and I lost my count at times. I became aware of not knowing the count and refocused my attention on the count. I got 6:5 hours of sleep last night, so that may be the cause. Thank you so very much for all the information you provide us and thank you for letting us know about Stone Samadhi.
That's great Victor. There is this great place where we are in a trance like state where we space out. In that it's easy to lose the count, or lose words. So, the idea is to dance on the edge of sleep without ever falling asleep.
Fascinating.. loved the storytelling. I agree with your point that we end up whitewashing the lives of gurus, saints and prophets so much so that we can't relate or learn from them.
This is truly the helpful teaching, i learnt this in hard way. hope this will help many new yogies. Thank you for sharing🙏. When we are in this state, i have noticed, we can sleep, and be concious.
What's difference between Nirvikalpa samadhi and stone samadhi? Both seem to have no objects/qualities, but the former is considered a good/important and a later stage of Savikalpa samadhi.
This happened to me. I've been meditating a long time but I didn't have guidance st first. I would take the small amount of meditation I would get between falling asleep, but sometimes your brain tells you you have nothing to figure out it just wants to sleep
@@ForrestKnutson thank you for the confirmation. It gives me so much bliss that i dont even want to open my eyes anymore😊everytime i do meditation and when i had my BQH
I love ❤️ your content! Question 🙋🏻♀️ where would you suggest one start if they’re just beginning their journey and wanting to put a Sadhana routine in place. I looked through your videos/playlists and have no clue where to start but would love to start with YOUR information/meditations because they’re so well articulated.
Love your work brother. I got home from work and dozed off in my chair. I was dreaming then woke up sorta I my place . I could see all around me but my eye were shut.. My cat was crying and didn't wake my body. Used to be a dark shadow holding me down many years ago. Se
Oh yeah.... love thee ego. I love this video. Lately I've integrated my ego into my life in a very healthy way. Even when a negative talk or loop is arising, we manage to laugh it off instead of getting angry, or shut it down. It's there to protect and help in my physical manifestation, so I've learnt to pay special attention to it. Hahah referring falling asleep... I ALWAYS DO IT haha I'm guilty of it. And once I caught myself right in the spot: I was turning my eyes to the inner self, and just as I was experiencing some unsettling sensations because of what I was observing in my uncounscious mind, I fell asleep hahah I really want to be a good company for myself though. I wonder if I'm praciticing in a too monotonous fashion or something... but I guess I have to just keep practicing and enjoying haha Thanks Forrest! Amazing content
In sorcery there was an idea that if you stay long in theta waves you reach teta gamma synch which leads to trance and visions. Whats your take on that.
A lesson I could have learned long before, my stubborn mind wouldn't turn away from purifying it until almost nothing is left, then only did I realized it was unnecessary. oh well life unfolds as it does, there is nothing needed but there's also nothing wrong with having lighter baggages despite becoming irrelevant when we transform and exist as enlightenment ☺️🦄💐🌞
I think when my subconscious material pops up is when I'm feeling all this tension. And I mean I let it do its thing but it's a pretty intense and weird feeling. Literally feels like something is pulling my muscles apart. I would actually refer somebody to one of Alex Gray's paintings to see what I'm talking about, and now that I said that that's probably what the painting is actually about. Never would have even thought that before but a lot of his artwork is about awakening. But he has one that has all the anatomy of the human body and it's exploding basically and rearranging
The problem with enlightenment / Nirvana is, too many unenlightened people become t teacher's. The blind lead the blind and true seekers eventually have to discard all they learned.
So I am curious as to what is happening in are brain when you are accomplish mind over matter and once I become aware of it I lose it and can't get it back
Hi and thanks for this very interesting videos, I saw that you never talk about the topic of nutrition related to a spiritual practice, I would like to know your opinion on that.
I’ve meditated before sleep but I always make the decision to turn over and go to sleep. I haven’t went to sleep while meditating. I hope that’s ok to do. I mostly meditate in the mornings now due to being too tired at night and I find it is better easy to get the freeze and tranquil breath thus that peaceful quiet state
So I think I figured it out so I am able to hold a delta brainwave and keep my eyes open and use my phone and make a few small moments but the moment I trigger a thought about what I am doing my eyes react and I am getting thrown out of the delta and back to alpha but I am not sure how to keep my eyes asleep while open I'm pretty sure that you pick a point of focus and become aware of your peripheral vision but how do you do that while moving around and function because are intelligence and LOTS OF other things are capable if you can find a way to make it work
Love your observation about jesus he suddenly became more real for me. And less meditations before sleeping. And I'm going to have nice discussions with my friends about the ego. Again lots of homework for me. Love tjitze.
In some yogic traditions they are calling this state mūrchā which basically means "He slipped into unconsciousness." I guess that´s why is always recommended to go meditate while we are not too tired of before sleep to avoid slipping into that state...
You are a great teacher, thanks to you, I see meditation accessible for everyday person like me. Ps. After a few sessions of heart rate variability breath, I woke up at 5am with my heart pounding like crazy, is this normal?
Blessed evening! You’re my spiritual teacher. So I bow to the divine in you. During stone Samadhi, which Brian wave consciousness are we in? Thank you for your wisdom Love & light ❤️🙏🏼
I haven't seen it on a monitor but I would guess that it would have the slower brain waves and some of the gamma brain waves at the same time but the beta brain wave would be almost non-existent because you have fallen into an unconscious state. And that's the thing that you're not getting the benefit by being awake. Great question! 🙏🙏
you know I would have assumed that it would have kind of blazed the pathways regardless, but without the further experience into it, I guess it wouldn't transform you that well
Hi Forrest , thank for this video , nice as always. I just wanted to add that it's not true that you are completely unaware while in stone samadhi , at the initial stages at least you are not , it is actually a golden chance to project your energetic body outside your physical one and astral project. But yes , if one doesnt even choose to do that but simply let the sleepiness take control then one is unaware and uncoscious as you said. Have you ever had an experience with astral projection? would love to hear that
Thank you, that's a great addition. You're talking about the moment before the loss of consciousness happens, when you're able to still make a conscious decision. It is a great place so long as you keep the awareness. ;) Yes, I've actually taught it to one of my students going into samadhi. In that state we lose both perceptions of the body, so it's an interesting step back to add the astral form.
@@ForrestKnutson hey could you elaborate on this or point to a book/source that points in this general direction? I find it so much easier to induce Stone Samadhi as compared to the regular Kundalini; this might be away to circumvent this draw back. I've read through the AP books and watched the videos on YT recommended by the AP subreddit/Facebook group and all of them point to AP using sleep deprivation/REM sleep (not healthy IMHO). Any recommendations on AP using breath technique?
Is it possible to get your body trained to permanently exhale longer than inhale and it make you extremely lethargic like you are constantly just half asleep in your body
I guess stone samadhi is a state where the body is in sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is horrifying😣. However breathing very slow with many pauses helps keep me self aware(it happens naturally 30 seconds after I begin meditating). Now I'm just enjoying this breathing in each meditation, it keeps me awake. I noticed a different breathing pattern when falling asleep too. So I'm vigilant with my breathing. I also noticed that I'm becoming more aware of inner sounds. When it's quiet, I always hear a deep vibration from within. I hope I get a samadhi experience this year. I pray it's not stone samadhi though 😅 Thanks for the heads-up Mr. Forrest, I really appreciate it 🙏
That's fantastic! Yes, that's the OM, wonderful. As you hear it, listen to it as if it is inside, then outside, then inside, then outside. Lahiri Mahasaya said this was the easiest path to samadhi.
@@kantamasters you can hear the vibration or you can feel it. In either case by perceiving it first in the body then outside the body you begin to erase the lines of your form. Then you become formless.
Hey Forrest. I just recently started doing Kriya Yoga and would appreciate some insight. Coincidentally, after having a few 'energetic experiences' while doing ujayii pranayama, om japa, and kriya pranayama, my mind has been stilled quite significantly, especially when I am around other people. Usually I would experience low to mid feelings of anxiety/panic, compulsive judgement, etc but since Kriya my mind has stilled 90%. I also feel my spine a lot more than usual. It almost feels like I am a puppet on strings, where my spine has been concreted into the present moment. Suffice to say, it has had an amazing effect on me so far. But why is this? Were my chakras which correspond to relationships blocked or something? Is there anything I should pay particular attention to e.g. a certain chakra while doing om japa? I am very grateful for this experience and at the same time I am rather cautious in becoming attached because I know it's very possibly this "stilling" of the mind is temporary. Any insight about this would be greatly appreciated.
That's wonderful, Tom. Yes, you cleared some of your psyche, and now you're feeling the shift in your personality. Beautiful! OM in the six chakras that I mention is the way to go. Coccyx to medulla and back again. The lower 3, and the 3rd in particular are especially important.
Yes it's kind of what I run into. They say they know and it's very clear. They don't pretty quickly. And then it's a big secret of the ones that do them. I got to be honest I don't really look favorably on that. But I guess that's the decision and I do understand what the some extent. Some of these practices can be very serious. But I can't even explain to you how POD I'd be if I was about 70 and I had been at an ashram meditating for the past 40 years. Unable to really do what I wanted to. And then somebody like you comes along and tells me just to drop my breath rate. And then all sorts of things start happening. Yeah Id be a little pissed and a little gyped. And I say this because I see that that's happened to quite a few people. I run into this the most talking about Cumbria you need though. The response I normally get as basically that of yeah right it couldn't be happening to you, especially without even practicing it beforehand. Beforehand. That's normally my Indian brothers that have the whole practice on a pedestal. And I usually tell them that well, if you have it on a pedestal then it's probably going to be harder to achieve. And I do not have it on a pedestal . But if you believe it's going to take your lifetime to achieve some of these things then it's very likely it will. And then the other one I run into is somebody who is equating their experiences to it yet really aren't necessarily that. Maybe they are and I'm not really in the place to say but so far off from my experience that I guess it just doesn't seem like it. But I'm very wary about that because there's a lot of let's choose our own fantasy and follow something and conform. And then there's a lot of praying on people going through spiritual awakenings because they've never been more vulnerable in their lifetime. Which is a pretty low blow for sure, but I see that it's extremely common
Is one “conscious“ in all samadhi? All different samadhi states? All advanced states? I ask because a guru has said that he is unaware when he goes into a deep absorption state, and it is only when he returns he knows he was in advanced samadhi because the people around him tell him of the happenings that occurred. (Edited to correct spelling.)
In Absorption, we loose words, and time, sense of the body, and sense of the breath. The body will go into a Freeze Response, which is very akin to sleep paralysis. However, we shouldn't lose awareness. That awareness will shift focus, and gain a Oneness with certain deep things. However, it shouldn't go to sleep.
@@ForrestKnutson it happened in 1992 a week or two after i had learned TM. i felt like i was a universe. i saw it, felt it and their was a hum. I was that not a body, I was that.why is it good? it felt powerful. should i be striving for that?
Hey Forrest, always good to see you :) Turning us into meditation monsters! Couple days ago, following primarily your teachings here, I think I unlocked a new level, experienced an overwhelming sense of bliss/ecstasy radiating from all over my spine. Had to hold on to something so I don't fall over my face lol Lasted super long too, like 6 hours or something! What the... Anyways, just have a question, do you think is there a junkie aspect to this blissful feeling, that it could get detrimental and should be limited to some extent? Is there a set limit to do HRV/Meditation throughout the day? I mean I enjoy it a lot, and do it almost all the time. Overall though, every day I feel more centered and grounded, but also enthusiastic about life at the same time. Love you, you lovely man!
That's really fantastic, Kerem! So long as you can function well in your day to day life, work, family, school, career, then it's fine. You don't want it to interfere with those. If it does, put your mind on your whole body at once, and hold that perception. ... Generally, it is super beneficial for us, as it completely wipes the psyche clear, and makes Absorption easier and easier to attain. The personality transformation is tremendous. Just give yourself time to integrate it.
@@ForrestKnutson Functioning way better, family, friends, overall life is much better! Now that feeling is always there in the background now, radiating from the lower back all the time. I guess it's easy for people to believe in chronic pain but not the other way around for some reason lol But I see it's like magic, but kudos my friend, showing people I guess what reality could be like.
Forrest, how would stone samadhi relate to sabikalpa samadhi? I recall you lose your sense of self and all conscious of the outer world in sabikalpa (also spelled savikalpa).
That's the misnomer. So, you lose the words, you lose the sense of the body, you lose the sense of time, you lose the body image of yourself, but you don't lose your awareness. ... In sabikalpa you still have reasoning and reflection, and so you ask yourself, "is this the samadhi I've been searching for, for so long?" and then that line of questioning dumps you out of the experience, lol! ... In nirvikalpa you lose reasoning and reflection, as well. BUT YOUR AWARENESS REMAINS. So, that's the big point. Awareness remains, or there would be no experience.
I would agree that loosing your sense ( awareness) of your own identity during deep meditation is not good. But I wouldn’t identify my self as ego, because you are not your ego. You have an ego but that’s not your essence. Teachers, such as Eckhart Tolle, point out that letting your ego run the real you about isn’t desirable, isn’t true. So while I do agree to not loose ones sense of identity during meditation, I wouldn’t misunderstand that to mean that the ego is me and that it should be allowed to go on with its undesirable unconscious harmful behavior. I feel my expression of this idea is incomplete, but I can’t put my finger on why. ( IMHO, from someone who knows so littke that it is immeasurable 🙂 )
Yes, it is the awareness that survives. The words, and the sense of body, the sense of breath, time, all disappear. So, what we may have thought we are drops away in samadhi.
xDDDDDDD jesus being white washed thats SO TRUE well i mean true teachings always get distorted with time :C its a tragedy but gives others the opportunity to re learn and experience :D
Das ist nichts gut. Haha. Why should we let the ego continue learning. Curious ego wants to know. Thinks it's getting saved. Thought forms love their relatives
Lately i have been getting flashes of my mistakes in meditation. I have made it a practice to forgive myself for my actions and offer them to divine Mother. Thank you. I was raised in an african derived tradition where trance states are key to the apiritual experience of the religion. It has been great aid as i am able to get into trance before i even start the techniques. Now i have been having very slow breath and when i look at people and things i see them as made of light even with eyes closed sometimes.
Finally a meditation guidance that does not obsesses over the negation of the ego but takes an integrative perspective. Thanks.
Yes, I'm fairly new to spiritual exploration (about 4 yrs) and very new to this wonderful channel but I've always felt that purposely trying to kill off or suppress a part of yourself...your humanness is not the way to go, not for me.
Refreshing right! Vedanta, Sankhya and true Yogic teachers who deleniate these teachings into experience do not believe in ego death. They teach that using the proper techniques with surrender you can surmount the sense of self in deep states after long immersive concentration, which happens spontanseously. Ego death and killing the ego is a non-sense New Age practice that is quite destructive and dangerous. Great comment!
@@blueclarity No it's not the way period. the ego is our capacity to reflect, be aware, be the observant of this life experience. It's a tool, a very useful performant tool.
Perfect, Anne! Wonderfully said! Yes, I'm a big believer in it. This is actually the deeper road of spirituality. ... Perfect, Blue Clarity! ... So perfect as usual, Joshua!
@@joshuamiller5701 great explanation Joshua, finally I am not alone in thinking ego death is a made up thing with no roots.
Superb! Thank you, Forrest.
Just wanted to drop a thank you for this particular topic, of which I was completely unaware. I had never heard this phrase before, but it was a perfect description for one of my personal stumbling blocks.
2023 was quite a year, and I am grateful to have read your book and watched your videos. Incorporating (or perhaps observing) the proofs/essentials brought great richness to my practice, and indeed helped with consistency of outcomes. The idea of training yogic skill (and the milestones on that path) has really resonated. 🔔🌟
Your Friday vids have been an extra bonus going into the weekend. Thank you for the abundance of weekly work you do, your diligence and patience in finishing this book for us, and very happy new year man.
This is such an important video.
Thank you- so important!!
Thank you, this is such an important topic! So glad you're here sharing this with the world :)
Thank you, Philip! So glad this one is useful!
There is so much spoken and written about these topics but rarely its so important. Thank you for sharing and making this channel at all:)
Thank you, Ni!
Forrest , i appreciate more and more your Lessons...tank you!
Wonderful, Enrico!
Thank you so much! This helped me alot!
Very interesting Forrest! Thank you again!
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent advice. I sometimes wondered if I was falling asleep or just going into deep meditation. When you hit that "jerk awake" moment, you know it was falling asleep. Now I know that's not a good road to go down. Thanks!
That's exactly right! The edge of sleepiness is great! It's just actually nodding or losing the conscious mind that's not.
Wow a big thumb up and exactly what I needed to hear, I especially appriciated the part of the subconsious, not shy away...but to embrace...sounds so easy when you say it...great points...thank you.
Fantastic! I'm so glad it was helpful!
Thank you Forrest for your grounded and practical advise. Thank you so much for sharing
Thank you Fiona!
I love this video, i love your funny and nice way to explain. i said, you are Huge!
Thank you Forrest🙏✨ for these teachings and your positive delivery..so interesting, so important!! 💫 NAMASTE 🌺
Thank you Poppy! 🙏
Wonderful talk. Thanks so much for this.
Thank you Michael!
Yes!!! Very resonating 🙌 To be a whole human being, I believe there needs to be a continuous dance between our ego-less self and the ego part of us. In fact, I believe the dance in between the ego and the ego-less creates our flow! 🙌
I totally agree that meditation shouldn't be done to induced sleep. Meditation is coming home to yourself, that's the beauty 🙌
I’m guilty of meditating in the wee hours of the morning because I might feel wide awake and I love meditating. I'm excited to meditate with every opportunity I get 😆 it’s like exploring.
Your videos speak truths!!!🙏🙌
Really helpful...our Guru has told us to go into samadhi with Khechari.so that when the time comes consciousness will develop naturally...
When I run after what I think I want, my days are a furnace of stress and anxiety; if I sit in my own place of patience, what I need flows to me, and without pain. From this I understand that what I want also wants me, is looking for me and attracting me. There is a great secret here for anyone who can grasp it.
Rumi
Thank you Marc!
nice
You make all this feel very relatable and . possible . Yes I loved the part , you make it home and are able to say, it was all part of me and I still made it. Absolutely beautiful.
Thank you, Bonny! I love that!
Thank you for the information and guidance. I experience stone samadi most of the time. I thought I have to be in that kind of state but thankfully I now know that is not the case. I don't have a guru to guide me because of my situation and place so I just watch TH-cam video and try to learn. Thank you for your guidance 🙂.
Thank you for this. I experienced this today after reaching the pratyahara state, my body had a tingling vibration, and I noticed that it would cut out just for a split second and I would lose consciousness, then regain it (along with the vibration), this would repeat every 10 seconds or so.
My first time hearing the term as well
Thankyou so much for this - i needed to hear these things right now, - and thanks for the note about no mediation before sleep - - -i'm still trying to get 'time' for myself in the house - but meditation outdoors is wonderful- good thing i'm a winter girl 🙂
Wow and wow sir..no words to express my gratitude i am speechless to watch this video..i am sooo blessed to have this amazing and so deep teachings about stone samadi..and how one has to be so aware while meditation...at the same time mindfulness and focusing on the meditation. Thank you so much God bless much love always sir.🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤
Thank you, Vimala! I'm so glad you loved it! 🙏🙏 God bless you!
@@ForrestKnutson Thank you so much for your kind reply sir..God bless much love 🙏❤🙏❤🙏❤
@@vimaladominic 🤗🤗🤩🤩
Thank you 🙏
Thank you Dr!
Great timing! This morning I was going deeper into meditation and I lost my count at times. I became aware of not knowing the count and refocused my attention on the count. I got 6:5 hours of sleep last night, so that may be the cause. Thank you so very much for all the information you provide us and thank you for letting us know about Stone Samadhi.
That's great Victor. There is this great place where we are in a trance like state where we space out. In that it's easy to lose the count, or lose words. So, the idea is to dance on the edge of sleep without ever falling asleep.
Fascinating.. loved the storytelling. I agree with your point that we end up whitewashing the lives of gurus, saints and prophets so much so that we can't relate or learn from them.
That's right! We end up stripping all the wonderful lessons of overcoming.
Thank you, I have been trying to comprehend experiences in meditation and dreams and your video helps connects the dots with Yoga, Buddhism and Jung.
Awe, you're speaking my language!
R J exactly, Forrest you are integrating it all so well. :D
Thanks Forest this is a bit far from where I am but still taken on board my friend,
Nuff luv n respect
Thank you Nick! Have a great weekend!
This is truly the helpful teaching, i learnt this in hard way. hope this will help many new yogies. Thank you for sharing🙏.
When we are in this state, i have noticed, we can sleep, and be concious.
Exactly right! The conscious awareness stays as the body "sleeps" and we get all of the benefit. Perfect!
@@ForrestKnutson Is it related to conscious lucid dreaming? hmmm
@@CarolBlaneyPhD there are some similarities in that the beta brain wave is active for both the yogi and the lucid dreamer.
And the white rabbit hole keeps getting weirder and weirder! Very useful tools, Forrest. Thanks for sharing!
Haha! "Follow the white rabbit, Neo!"
@@ForrestKnutson hahaha you got it, man!
@@HMALDANA 😂😂🤩🤩
What's difference between Nirvikalpa samadhi and stone samadhi? Both seem to have no objects/qualities, but the former is considered a good/important and a later stage of Savikalpa samadhi.
This happened to me. I've been meditating a long time but I didn't have guidance st first. I would take the small amount of meditation I would get between falling asleep, but sometimes your brain tells you you have nothing to figure out it just wants to sleep
Great video! ... helps put the Ego into perspective thanks!.. is it normal to see a purplish flame looking image when in a blissful state?
Yes
Yes..always for me😊
Absolutely! That's the center of the spiritual eye. It's significant that you're seeing that, and feeling bliss. This is very good.
@@ForrestKnutson thank you for the confirmation. It gives me so much bliss that i dont even want to open my eyes anymore😊everytime i do meditation and when i had my BQH
I love ❤️ your content! Question 🙋🏻♀️ where would you suggest one start if they’re just beginning their journey and wanting to put a Sadhana routine in place. I looked through your videos/playlists and have no clue where to start but would love to start with YOUR information/meditations because they’re so well articulated.
Thank you, Millissa! I would start with the Playlists. HRV-Resonate Breathing, and the 7 Steps to Deep Meditation.
Great! Thank you 😊
Thank you Michelle!
I trust you, FOREST...
Awe, thank you Joseph!
Love your work brother. I got home from work and dozed off in my chair. I was dreaming then woke up sorta I my place . I could see all around me but my eye were shut.. My cat was crying and didn't wake my body.
Used to be a dark shadow holding me down many years ago. Se
Awesome, Alan, that's an OBE, or part of the right brain perspective.
Is this similar to "clicking out" that occurs occasionally for people following Monroe institute material?
Oh yeah.... love thee ego.
I love this video.
Lately I've integrated my ego into my life in a very healthy way. Even when a negative talk or loop is arising, we manage to laugh it off instead of getting angry, or shut it down.
It's there to protect and help in my physical manifestation, so I've learnt to pay special attention to it.
Hahah referring falling asleep... I ALWAYS DO IT haha I'm guilty of it.
And once I caught myself right in the spot: I was turning my eyes to the inner self, and just as I was experiencing some unsettling sensations because of what I was observing in my uncounscious mind, I fell asleep hahah I really want to be a good company for myself though. I wonder if I'm praciticing in a too monotonous fashion or something... but I guess I have to just keep practicing and enjoying haha
Thanks Forrest! Amazing content
Excellent! Thank you! :)
Thank you Pavneet!
In sorcery there was an idea that if you stay long in theta waves you reach teta gamma synch which leads to trance and visions. Whats your take on that.
This is SO FASCINATING. So informative- I'm glad I will be able to avoid this trap!!
Thank you Amy! I'm so glad to hear that! 🤩🙏
A lovely video, Forrest. Your being shines through.
Awe, thank you!
A lesson I could have learned long before, my stubborn mind wouldn't turn away from purifying it until almost nothing is left, then only did I realized it was unnecessary. oh well life unfolds as it does, there is nothing needed but there's also nothing wrong with having lighter baggages despite becoming irrelevant when we transform and exist as enlightenment ☺️🦄💐🌞
Very true!
I think when my subconscious material pops up is when I'm feeling all this tension. And I mean I let it do its thing but it's a pretty intense and weird feeling. Literally feels like something is pulling my muscles apart. I would actually refer somebody to one of Alex Gray's paintings to see what I'm talking about, and now that I said that that's probably what the painting is actually about. Never would have even thought that before but a lot of his artwork is about awakening.
But he has one that has all the anatomy of the human body and it's exploding basically and rearranging
The problem with enlightenment / Nirvana is, too many unenlightened people become t teacher's. The blind lead the blind and true seekers eventually have to discard all they learned.
So I am curious as to what is happening in are brain when you are accomplish mind over matter and once I become aware of it I lose it and can't get it back
Hi and thanks for this very interesting videos, I saw that you never talk about the topic of nutrition related to a spiritual practice, I would like to know your opinion on that.
Hi Gabriele, I used to work with a Naturopathic nutritionist for 6 years or so. I love nutrition. I should make a video on it.
Ananda Mayi Ma and other yogis have referred to this as jada-samadhi, an unconscious samadhi.
I’ve meditated before sleep but I always make the decision to turn over and go to sleep. I haven’t went to sleep while meditating. I hope that’s ok to do. I mostly meditate in the mornings now due to being too tired at night and I find it is better easy to get the freeze and tranquil breath thus that peaceful quiet state
That's so perfect! Freeze and Tranquil Breath! What an amazing way to start the day!
love
Thank you, April!
So I think I figured it out so I am able to hold a delta brainwave and keep my eyes open and use my phone and make a few small moments but the moment I trigger a thought about what I am doing my eyes react and I am getting thrown out of the delta and back to alpha but I am not sure how to keep my eyes asleep while open I'm pretty sure that you pick a point of focus and become aware of your peripheral vision but how do you do that while moving around and function because are intelligence and LOTS OF other things are capable if you can find a way to make it work
Love your observation about jesus he suddenly became more real for me. And less meditations before sleeping. And I'm going to have nice discussions with my friends about the ego. Again lots of homework for me. Love tjitze.
That's so fantastic!
What about devotional practices going into sleep...sometimes at heart or other center...or it that too close to meditation?
Oh no that's just fine. 🙏
Can u give a daily routine of practices for progress?
That's the HRV-Resonance and the 4 Proofs. Check out the 7 Steps to Deep Meditation Playlist.
I am doing meditation before go to sleep but I don’t mix sleep and meditation is that ok?
Forrest knutson do we use techniques such as looking up or hakalau for death or corpse meditation or do u use a different technique?
???? What does that have to do with kechari?
It's part of his khechari path. To understand to keep awareness.
In some yogic traditions they are calling this state mūrchā which basically means "He slipped into unconsciousness." I guess that´s why is always recommended to go meditate while we are not too tired of before sleep to avoid slipping into that state...
You are a great teacher, thanks to you, I see meditation accessible for everyday person like me. Ps. After a few sessions of heart rate variability breath, I woke up at 5am with my heart pounding like crazy, is this normal?
Wonderful! ... Your body is still getting used to a lowered rate, so maybe it freaked out, or you had a bad dream. It will come together easily.
Blessed evening!
You’re my spiritual teacher. So I bow to the divine in you.
During stone Samadhi, which Brian wave consciousness are we in?
Thank you for your wisdom
Love & light
❤️🙏🏼
I haven't seen it on a monitor but I would guess that it would have the slower brain waves and some of the gamma brain waves at the same time but the beta brain wave would be almost non-existent because you have fallen into an unconscious state. And that's the thing that you're not getting the benefit by being awake. Great question! 🙏🙏
Is Meditation; conscious sleep and the Sleep unconscious meditation?
That's right! That's a great way to look at it.
you know I would have assumed that it would have kind of blazed the pathways regardless, but without the further experience into it, I guess it wouldn't transform you that well
Hi Forrest , thank for this video , nice as always. I just wanted to add that it's not true that you are completely unaware while in stone samadhi , at the initial stages at least you are not , it is actually a golden chance to project your energetic body outside your physical one and astral project. But yes , if one doesnt even choose to do that but simply let the sleepiness take control then one is unaware and uncoscious as you said. Have you ever had an experience with astral projection? would love to hear that
Thank you, that's a great addition. You're talking about the moment before the loss of consciousness happens, when you're able to still make a conscious decision. It is a great place so long as you keep the awareness. ;) Yes, I've actually taught it to one of my students going into samadhi. In that state we lose both perceptions of the body, so it's an interesting step back to add the astral form.
@@ForrestKnutson hey could you elaborate on this or point to a book/source that points in this general direction? I find it so much easier to induce Stone Samadhi as compared to the regular Kundalini; this might be away to circumvent this draw back. I've read through the AP books and watched the videos on YT recommended by the AP subreddit/Facebook group and all of them point to AP using sleep deprivation/REM sleep (not healthy IMHO). Any recommendations on AP using breath technique?
To often in life we can't see the Forrest for the trees.
:D
True
So like a yoga nidra?
Inspiring:)
Awesome Taylor!
Is it possible to get your body trained to permanently exhale longer than inhale and it make you extremely lethargic like you are constantly just half asleep in your body
What will happen automatically is that your body will more and more often enter into HRV Resonance automatically. You won't even think about it.
How do yogis suspend themselves for a long period of time?
It comes from the Freeze Response.
But isn't spiritual growth all about refining the ego so that higher consciousness takes precedence and we be under that guidance and bliss ?
Jung would approve.
Yes, he would! Jung was a genius!
I guess stone samadhi is a state where the body is in sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is horrifying😣. However breathing very slow with many pauses helps keep me self aware(it happens naturally 30 seconds after I begin meditating). Now I'm just enjoying this breathing in each meditation, it keeps me awake. I noticed a different breathing pattern when falling asleep too. So I'm vigilant with my breathing. I also noticed that I'm becoming more aware of inner sounds. When it's quiet, I always hear a deep vibration from within. I hope I get a samadhi experience this year. I pray it's not stone samadhi though 😅 Thanks for the heads-up Mr. Forrest, I really appreciate it 🙏
the deep sound vibration you are hearing is the OM sound. the seed vibration of this universe
That's fantastic! Yes, that's the OM, wonderful. As you hear it, listen to it as if it is inside, then outside, then inside, then outside. Lahiri Mahasaya said this was the easiest path to samadhi.
@@ForrestKnutson great! I'll do that, thanks 😊
@@ForrestKnutson Thanks so much for stating this Forrest. I did not know Lahiri said this.
@@kantamasters you can hear the vibration or you can feel it. In either case by perceiving it first in the body then outside the body you begin to erase the lines of your form. Then you become formless.
Hey Forrest. I just recently started doing Kriya Yoga and would appreciate some insight. Coincidentally, after having a few 'energetic experiences' while doing ujayii pranayama, om japa, and kriya pranayama, my mind has been stilled quite significantly, especially when I am around other people. Usually I would experience low to mid feelings of anxiety/panic, compulsive judgement, etc but since Kriya my mind has stilled 90%. I also feel my spine a lot more than usual. It almost feels like I am a puppet on strings, where my spine has been concreted into the present moment. Suffice to say, it has had an amazing effect on me so far. But why is this? Were my chakras which correspond to relationships blocked or something? Is there anything I should pay particular attention to e.g. a certain chakra while doing om japa? I am very grateful for this experience and at the same time I am rather cautious in becoming attached because I know it's very possibly this "stilling" of the mind is temporary. Any insight about this would be greatly appreciated.
That's wonderful, Tom. Yes, you cleared some of your psyche, and now you're feeling the shift in your personality. Beautiful! OM in the six chakras that I mention is the way to go. Coccyx to medulla and back again. The lower 3, and the 3rd in particular are especially important.
@@ForrestKnutson Thank you so much Forrest. I appreciate you responding and all the work you do! You are an absolute inspiration my friend.
Yes it's kind of what I run into. They say they know and it's very clear. They don't pretty quickly. And then it's a big secret of the ones that do them. I got to be honest I don't really look favorably on that. But I guess that's the decision and I do understand what the some extent. Some of these practices can be very serious. But I can't even explain to you how POD I'd be if I was about 70 and I had been at an ashram meditating for the past 40 years. Unable to really do what I wanted to. And then somebody like you comes along and tells me just to drop my breath rate. And then all sorts of things start happening. Yeah Id be a little pissed and a little gyped. And I say this because I see that that's happened to quite a few people.
I run into this the most talking about Cumbria you need though. The response I normally get as basically that of yeah right it couldn't be happening to you, especially without even practicing it beforehand. Beforehand. That's normally my Indian brothers that have the whole practice on a pedestal. And I usually tell them that well, if you have it on a pedestal then it's probably going to be harder to achieve. And I do not have it on a pedestal . But if you believe it's going to take your lifetime to achieve some of these things then it's very likely it will.
And then the other one I run into is somebody who is equating their experiences to it yet really aren't necessarily that. Maybe they are and I'm not really in the place to say but so far off from my experience that I guess it just doesn't seem like it. But I'm very wary about that because there's a lot of let's choose our own fantasy and follow something and conform. And then there's a lot of praying on people going through spiritual awakenings because they've never been more vulnerable in their lifetime. Which is a pretty low blow for sure, but I see that it's extremely common
Is one “conscious“ in all samadhi? All different samadhi states? All advanced states?
I ask because a guru has said that he is unaware when he goes into a deep absorption state, and it is only when he returns he knows he was in advanced samadhi because the people around him tell him of the happenings that occurred.
(Edited to correct spelling.)
That sounds like bhaav samadhi
In Absorption, we loose words, and time, sense of the body, and sense of the breath. The body will go into a Freeze Response, which is very akin to sleep paralysis. However, we shouldn't lose awareness. That awareness will shift focus, and gain a Oneness with certain deep things. However, it shouldn't go to sleep.
@@ForrestKnutson 🙏Thank you for responding.
what does it mean if I think i am a universe during meditation? is that dangerous or a good thing
That's a very good thing, Todd. Does your body perception disappear as you experience that? Or do you mean you are imagining it?
@@ForrestKnutson it happened in 1992 a week or two after i had learned TM. i felt like i was a universe. i saw it, felt it and their was a hum. I was that not a body, I was that.why is it good? it felt powerful. should i be striving for that?
it is named jada samadhi...
Exactly right!
@@ForrestKnutson well said! we seek CHAITANYA Samadhi...the Bliss OF Atman...
🙏
👍👍
Interesting because the Falun Dafa founder says the same thing about retaining your sense of self while in meditation.
Perfect, Peter! Another way to say it is the watcher must stay.
Hey Forrest, always good to see you :) Turning us into meditation monsters! Couple days ago, following primarily your teachings here, I think I unlocked a new level, experienced an overwhelming sense of bliss/ecstasy radiating from all over my spine. Had to hold on to something so I don't fall over my face lol Lasted super long too, like 6 hours or something! What the...
Anyways, just have a question, do you think is there a junkie aspect to this blissful feeling, that it could get detrimental and should be limited to some extent? Is there a set limit to do HRV/Meditation throughout the day? I mean I enjoy it a lot, and do it almost all the time. Overall though, every day I feel more centered and grounded, but also enthusiastic about life at the same time. Love you, you lovely man!
That's really fantastic, Kerem! So long as you can function well in your day to day life, work, family, school, career, then it's fine. You don't want it to interfere with those. If it does, put your mind on your whole body at once, and hold that perception. ... Generally, it is super beneficial for us, as it completely wipes the psyche clear, and makes Absorption easier and easier to attain. The personality transformation is tremendous. Just give yourself time to integrate it.
@@ForrestKnutson Functioning way better, family, friends, overall life is much better! Now that feeling is always there in the background now, radiating from the lower back all the time. I guess it's easy for people to believe in chronic pain but not the other way around for some reason lol But I see it's like magic, but kudos my friend, showing people I guess what reality could be like.
Omg im going to stop using techniques for sleep😶 thank u🙂
Good, Dakotah! It's possible you'd never have a problem with it, but it's much easier to avoid the problem entirely. ;)
Forrest, how would stone samadhi relate to sabikalpa samadhi? I recall you lose your sense of self and all conscious of the outer world in sabikalpa (also spelled savikalpa).
Kanta I think what you are describing might be nirvikalpa samadhi and I also have the same question.
That's the misnomer. So, you lose the words, you lose the sense of the body, you lose the sense of time, you lose the body image of yourself, but you don't lose your awareness. ... In sabikalpa you still have reasoning and reflection, and so you ask yourself, "is this the samadhi I've been searching for, for so long?" and then that line of questioning dumps you out of the experience, lol! ... In nirvikalpa you lose reasoning and reflection, as well. BUT YOUR AWARENESS REMAINS. So, that's the big point. Awareness remains, or there would be no experience.
I would agree that loosing your sense ( awareness) of your own identity during deep meditation is not good. But I wouldn’t identify my self as ego, because you are not your ego. You have an ego but that’s not your essence.
Teachers, such as Eckhart Tolle, point out that letting your ego run the real you about isn’t desirable, isn’t true.
So while I do agree to not loose ones sense of identity during meditation, I wouldn’t misunderstand that to mean that the ego is me and that it should be allowed to go on with its undesirable unconscious harmful behavior. I feel my expression of this idea is incomplete, but I can’t put my finger on why.
( IMHO, from someone who knows so littke that it is immeasurable 🙂 )
Yes, it is the awareness that survives. The words, and the sense of body, the sense of breath, time, all disappear. So, what we may have thought we are drops away in samadhi.
And I get the Jung quote (lol.)
Well forest, I would love for you to be my guru. In person that is. Because you really already are. Wether you like it or not.. lol😎😁
hi knutson. if you really need to know.. SADHGURU is the answer. look him up
Sadhguru is definitely the truth, but is not as available to answer the day to day questions about meditation that Mr. Knutson is openly answering.
xDDDDDDD jesus being white washed thats SO TRUE well i mean true teachings always get distorted with time :C its a tragedy but gives others the opportunity to re learn and experience :D
Das ist nichts gut. Haha. Why should we let the ego continue learning. Curious ego wants to know. Thinks it's getting saved. Thought forms love their relatives
You can clearly see that you use your left hemisphere for memories,, hahahahaha