Scottish Blockade Runners in the American Civil War
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- The American Civil War doesn't sound like something that would involve home grown Scots sailors, yet it did. Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey tells you about Scottish blockade runners, Clydebuilt Gunrunning ships and the base of Confederate operations in Bridge of Allan.
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More Scots in the American Civil War th-cam.com/video/h0KRTtanfXE/w-d-xo.html
The engineering officer was a Scotsman? Who'd a thunk it.
@@shoutyman9922 us Scottish engineers get everywhere 🏴
"...camaraderie, community spirit and cohesion...civic duty..."
Bruce takes alliteration to the next level.
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One thing that makes me proud of where I'm from (they saw it as a war to end slavery) is that it was a cotton town in the England, who's supply came from America and even though it would cause massive economic downturn etc, the town rallied together and no cotton was bought from the USA until after the war. They also had former slaves do lectures in the town, teaching people about the horrors of slavery.
I'm with you Mr We Say No To Pay To Win. People to be proud of
Now you're just being silly
@@ducthman4737 How to tell an extremist? Everything black or white, no shades of grey. Direct Taxation = Slavery? Hahahahahahahaaa.... :)
@@RobinFaichney It would be laughable if there wasn`t an ever growing army of these nuts out there
@@ducthman4737 A: I'm not American and don't fetishize freedom; fraternity and equality are equally important to me. B: the obvious fact that the state can and will use coercion on uncooperative citizens does not make us slaves, unless you're an extremist, which you obviously are.
There is a unionist soldier buried at Dunblane catherdral. Always wondered what his story was 🏴
You should be on national television fella ,make these other historians look shite , regards Richard London UK 🇬🇧
I'm Canadian with a Scottish Grandfather (Lanarkshire) I'm always fascinated by these early Scottish to North American connections. Another great one Bruce!
You should study Southern Appalachia 95% of the bloodline is Scots. My own family came over to North Carolina in the 1740s from Scotland
@@Warcrimeenthusiast When the Scots moved there they brought with them their folk music and it evolved into what the world knows as country music. All the famous and none famous country singers can trace their roots back to Scotland (including the most famous country singer of all...Johnny Cash)
@@garymcatear822 I'm a Glenn Campbell guy ,but I am a cousin of his
"No monopoly in hypocrisy"
*im going to use that*
Aye but there is a monopoly on my quips😜
Tour guide from Savannah here 🙂 interesting video! I admit I didn’t know the details of this delivery, but we usually covered it from the other end when talking about the Andrew Low mansion on Lafayette Sq. (Andrew Low was a rich Scottish cotton factor who was reputed to have helped negotiate these arms deals and in fact was jailed for it for a time in Boston during the War). [Actually, most famously for us Andrew Low is mostly remembered as father-in-law to Juliet Gordon Low, founder of the American Girl Scouts; but that’s what’s great about history, one interesting story always leads to a dozen others!]
Old 1998 video about Andrew Low, doesn’t cover the arms stuff but a tiny bit at 13:00 but an ok start on Andrew if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/Nk6DhQFzxnw/w-d-xo.html
"Let me tell you a story". Heck yeah!
I've known about the clyde built clipper ships evading the blockades for decades. They were so successful because they were the fastest ships on the seas.
"...where he seamlessly blended in with the cigar smoking, Stetson-wearing locals..." 😁😁😁
As a southerner and a professional historian (with Scottish ancestry!) I must say you nailed the intro, Bruce!! Well done indeed. The states rights vs slavery argument can be summed up thusly: it was not either or.... it was about BOTH lol! History should be viewed in many shades of grey, as something complicated and human, and as something never really black and white.
@@johnfife3062 he wasn't making a moral equivalency.
I agree, but i highly doubt the southern hillbillies from the mountains who had no slaves were fighting for the same reasons the rich southerners from the lowland arable lands filled with slaves. They wanted the yankee off their back and saw the war as a way to do that with other southerners who desired the same.
Yes, slavery was terrible and should never be condoned. Was it a part of the cause and effect for the Civil War? Yes but not as much as currently touted. The North enacted tariffs against European finished goods which caused retaliation against raw materials from the South.
That's why the Egyptian cotton and Turkish tobacco came to the fore. Check the Nullification Crisis of 1832.
You can argue the semantics and additional reasons all you want, they still fought for and in an Army trying to continue slavery. They were traitors, and the ONLY reason they were not charged as such after the war was because before his death, Lincoln knew he would have to pardon the leaders and the troops to allow the country to heal. But they were still traitors....PERIOD.
@Graf von Losinj I will not address your global banking conspiracy analogy except to say that you are comparing apples with a fruit that most people don’t believe exists. Now to deal with your view on whether the troops were guilty or not. As far as the average troops being traitors. Yes they were. They took up arms against the United States, they were citizens that rose in Arms in support of an economic industry that was the basis of their states rights issues and that was slavery. Now should there actually have been punishments, should theirs been the same as their leaders, no. Just like in any war crimes trial the leadership is held to a higher standard and higher level of responsibility. Unless the soldier commits horrible acts of murder etc….As a retired senior NCO, Holder of degrees in US History with secondary education and a degree in politics and governance specializing in international law, and a former member of the diplomatic corps..my second career, I understand the rules and law of war. These men had an obligation to their country, the United States, and turned their back on it to fight for the illegally formed Confederacy. It was NEVER recognized by any other nation as a legitimate country or government! They were traitors to the US. There is no candy coating it. In war a soldier must follow orders unless….unless it is illegal (murder, rape, crime against humanity and treason) or immoral(see previous list). Bearing the same title of traitor does not equate the same level of responsibility. I was in a situation were I defied and order in combat and my soldiers agreed and followed, and I had to defend myself and was exonerated. They were US citizens, the argument that they were state citizens and not US citizens has been disproven by Legal and constitutional historians. The fact that from 1778-1864 there were over a dozen treason trials and convictions of people from various states gave the legal precedent alone that people in the US territory were citizens of the United States. There is historical evidence that there were initial intentions to label them all traitors and hold the leadership accountable in trial, Lincoln even had a list of the leaders that should be placed in prison. The decision to not label them ALL as traitors was made for one simple reason, to allow reunification a chance. Had they be given that label and their leaders place in prison it is likely they would have revolted again. Additionally they also knew imprisoning the majority of the educated and elite that remained would have also been detrimental to reformation. So yes their acts WERE treason and they were traitors in deed and act, they don’t bare the official label today only because wise men realized the country could not heal if a third of its population was branded as traitors..
I'm a mountain southerner, and half of my civil war ancestors were Unionists. I'm proud to have ancestors who signed up to fight the oligarchy.
It is so beautiful explained by mister Fumey, that the whole story is fit to been shown to small children. I remember when I was a kid and met my first black person. It was at Oostende in Belgium. He had a drink with my folks and told about the strife for Afro Americans in the USA. I didn’t knew it at the time, but this man was none other than Marvin Gay. He loved it how in Belgium he was able to have a drink with white folks at a terrace of a pub, without segregation.
Not trying to say Belgium is a saint, far from with the congo and all. But I was unfamiliar with that history, until my uncle married my African aunt.
I love when YT recommends these older videos. Truly a fantastic episode, well told as only Bruce can do. I occasionally do a deep dive to catch up on videos I've not seen yet while waiting for new offerings...but when TH-cam recommends Bruce Fummey as a companion to my breakfast, I know I am in for a good meal! Ty Bruce, for all that you do!
Yaaaay
Thanks Bruce, being a American with Scottish desent and 9 family members who fought for the south. Slavery should have never been. Enough said. Thanks for the video, enjoyed it very much. Old Hickory, Tn. 🇺🇸🏴
Should've been Scots on the Union side. My great great great (might be another great) grandfather fought for Michigan, got injured. Michigan wouldn't let him enlist again, so he moved to Wisconsin and enlisted there. That's why our family is now in that state. I don't remember if he was in Gettysburg under Michigan or Wisconsin. IIRC he was injured in Gettysburg, sent home, then went to Wisconsin.
@@ducthman4737 lmao not quite equivalent. I'd argue identity politics and Critical Race Theory are closer to slavery than taxation. Assuming taxes go to proper social programs that benefit the populace and not line the pockets of the elite. Unfortunately we have the latter right now.
@@jeremiahkivi4256 They weren't Scots, they were American Yanks against the Confederate Americans, though the latter did have distant Reiver ancestors but they didn't exist anymore in Scotland by that point and they weren't even considered Scots either or even English, they were outlaws of both the kingdoms of Scotland and England who lived along the border parallel to a lawless place known as 'The Debatable lands', they played by their own rules and like their Yankee descendants, they also warred against both the Scots and the English which finally ended when they invaded the USA, burnt down the original White House and conquered Capitel Hill, which resulted in the 'Treaty of Ghent' - before the Scots, English and Welsh left their occupation of the USA, the USA was already its own people and nation by that point.
@@PredatorUpHill Man you must be high af. What you smoking?
@@jeremiahkivi4256 What are you smoking, some Americanish class A substance?
Just look at what you've said and compare to what I have said, did you seriously just try to claim that the actual Scots should have been on the Union side? That was an American Yankee war, not a Scottish war, it's called the 'civil war' for a reason, do you know what 'civil war' actually even means?
The Scots were a seperate faction entirely by that point from the British army along with the Welsh and the English, so they wouldn't be Scots on any side obviously, unless you're talking about the Scots who invaded America and burnt the white House down, which was after the USA constitution was formed but before the treaty of Ghent.
The news is just so dire and depressing these days it's such a comfort to be able to sit and time travel with you. I just wish every time your videos were longer. Yeah I know, as if you could cram in anymore information, but still...
Aye, I think we'd loose some folk if we went longer
@@ScotlandHistoryTours add some pictures of the subject matter and you could string us along for a bit longer
you have such an easy and natural style with the subject that really works well.. love your content. outside of the south sea trade bubble and Culloden i've not really sunk into Scottish history.. you're changing that.
Yay! I can't think of a better thing to happen
I'm from Alabama, and the pub analogy is the best one I've heard. Love it.
So much to discover! I commute past Pine Street in New York City regularly where New York tried to secede from the union and join the Confederacy. Slavery ended in New York in 1827 with gradual manumission over 20 years and they are really not trying to talk about it. All the banking and insurance co's were founded on and dependent upon slavery. NYC is more eager to speak of the Irish but the Scottish links are mindblowing.
Now I did not know that New York fact
Not only that, NYC hosted the corporate headquarters of slave shipping companies and equipped ships for the slave trade later than that. It took spies paid for by the British to alert the American public.
@@melissamybubbles6139New York had its own slave ships and same when it was Neuw Amsterdam. There is a hidden power structure that does not want this info told. They shut it down. The British spies you mention were probably trying to spread propagqnda and weaken the new union, perhaps sore at losing the war of 1812. Hidden part of the Civil War was the Brits trying to use intermarriage, dangling aristocratic title, with soufhern plantation owners enamored with these titlles. The Wall Street crew wasn't having it. Enter a war to break the south and then reconstruct it. Most northerners were quite aware because cotton was king on Wall St and New York had an anti fugitive slave act to return runaways. There was a Black gang that would grab runaways and sell them back. In 1851 there was one found and the Blacks of that time bought hin his freedom. One of the leaders who lead the charge was rumored to be Alexander Hamilton's Black son. Yes, Hamilton had slaves according to one of his descendants. They do so much hollering about freedom but the slavery legacy affects daily life. The suppression of the Scottish had a direct effect on stolen Africans in terms of not only violence but how to suppress identity. Scots couldn't wear tartan, bear arms, language suppressed, so on. So much is erased here.
Fascinating. One of those things in history that you’re never taught, no one talks about or is relegated to only the deep dive of searches and research. Thanks for this.
Yes Bruce, do a blockade runner episode...please.
Your my favourite guy on youtube that I've discovered about Scottish history. I love your point of view and as a Highland descendent here on Vancouver Island, I feel like I have a historical link to Scotland and learning more from a fine story teller like yourself. Keep up the great work! Thanks.
Gobsmacked 😶 I had no idea about our gun running past. What an amazing story !
I thought so too June
Howdy Bruce, another great video. Being a Texan of mostly Scottish extraction, I’d love to see you do a video on Scottish connections to Texas. If I remember correctly there was a MacGregor playing the pipes at the Alamo. Plus names like Austin and Houston. Keep up the great work, Slàinte Mhath
Dallas is a scots name also, Texas is a scots colony,
Yessir, and Jesse Chisholm of the Chisholm Trail fame, Scots & Cherokee
Austin is an old German Latin name. Was also the name of a car manufacturer in the Midlands in England for generations.
Uncle Sam was Scottish
My stepdaughter,s name is Austin and one of her ancestors named Austin Texas💪
My 7th great grandfather was captain on the Confederate Army. And my 7th great grandfather on the other side was Sergeant in the Union Army. I am extremely proud of both of them but it was a bit difficult to come to terms with whole slavery thing, but I think about the times those men lived in. Slavery was the way of the land for almost all of human history. It still is in many parts of the world. The locomotive is an older concept than universal freedom. All that said, I absolutely love your and your wife's pub breakdown.
History is more important now than ever. Thank you for sharing your passion with us all.
You bet
More Bridge of Allan history! You walked by the entrance to the old copper mine shafts!
Doh!
A good story made a great story by how well it was told!
This guy is worth hearing.
i am scots-irish descent from the mts of west virginia and i enjoy your history videos.
Delighted to have you on board
There is a good book called When Liverpool was Dixie that is about the UKs Involvment in the war between the states
Never heard of this before. Learned something new today. Awesome thank you.
I have been to Savannah many times. There is quite a bit of history there as well as many ghosts from the past. Great video. Had no idea!
What a story. You kept me on the edge of my seat
Brilliant
Because you're a great historian and a top guy who will give anyone the time of day, it's a pleasure to watch your vlogs, keep up the good work Bruce.
I'm not an historian though. they've got qualifications and stuff. I'm the bloke down the pub that bangs on about stuff😂
Another great video. Great analogy about the pub! ♥️🇺🇲🏴
Lovin this stuff, absolutely. Best time spent. Those shades man.
Awesome video and was wondering when Bermuda 🇧🇲 was getting mentioned 😂. We have 3 Confederate blockade runners sunk here in Bermuda, all built back home in Glasgow. The Mary Celeste, Montana & Roanoke. The Mary Celeste still has it’s paddlewheel attached to the wreck standing upright. In today’s money one ship cost $200k but if made through to the confederate states would make $1m each run.
Keep up the amazing videos from a Glaswegian in Bermuda 🏴
You've just re-affirmed a phrase told to me many years ago -'there are 3 things you'll get anywhere in the world-'a scotsman,a prostitute and a Singer sewing machine'
The Scotch Irish were some of the toughest SOB's in America!!!👍👍👍
That was an amazing anology about the causus belli of the south in the civil war. Well done!
Thank you Mark
Love that you used 'causus belli' 😃
@@Mark-co8gt Appreciate it, brother
Mr. Fummey: Great story, well told! Sincerely
Thanks Bill
Another great story, Bruce. I have read quite a bit about the civil war but missed the Scottish involvement.
I once again really enjoyed the video. When are you going to get around to the Highland Scots of Darien Ga. Possibly the only highland charge in north America, fighting with Oglethorpe.
Hello Bruce. I love your channel and honestly was completely ignorant about this event in my own American history. Thank You! My name is Bruce as well by the way. :)
Great to have you on board Bruce
I like a new perspective of a small part of American history! Showing a wonderful and colorful information about this war !
Thanks for another wonderful story!
Excellent story. Another triumph.
From Boston, MA in America. Dude your story telling is amazing, please keep the awesome videos coming!
Thanks ma man! Will do!
Again a good one, learn something new every day!
that pub analogy was a fantastic rebuttal toward the conservatives down here in the south across the pond!
As someone from the south US and of scottish decent, Sad to learn some from scotland helped the south in the Civil War but I'm not surprised a lot of the south were scottish immigrants. Tuns of our towns and cities and street names are named after ones in Scotland.
Love your content such great videos and love hearing how passionate you are about history.
Thanks man
Great story Bruce , I could be wrong but I mind my uncle telling me about the Glasgow blitz, the forgotten blitz as he read about it in a book which I suspect was Clydebuilt he gave it to my grandfather once he’d read it as he spent his war years there doing “war work”building ships and dodging German bombs
The “recalcitrant cockerel”.. lol that was a perfect line. Great story again. Keep telling them. Many times the coincidence of history is stranger than fiction. Thanks
You're welcome
Great storytelling! Especially the hypocrisy on both sides…
Brilliant video Bruce - fascinating story well told. And great production etc especially with the sound - loved it 👍✨
Delighted! Thank you!
Once again, spot on Mate!
Wow! Didn’t know about the link of Civil War to Bridge of Allan (one of my favorite places). Can you do a video on Scottish influence on the Confederacy, including modeling the confederate flag after the Scottish flag? Thanks for sharing this.
Some 70% of the men who wore the grey were of Scottish descent, mostly Scot-Irish (Ulster Scots on the Brit side of the pond). The presence of the Cross of St. Andrew on the battle flag wasn't an accident.
ty so much bruce ... you made this one quick after asking your the man
Bruce, another great story from a presenter who has both my wife and I hooked where we watch you in our family room with our two pups. Not only increasing our knowledge but bringing back memories of my childhood. Port Glasgow High School was the last of the 9 schools I went to in Scotland before coming to the U.S.
One of those stories I would not be boasting about to folk, but great to learn about.
Cheers and be well...Freddie
We need to know the good and the bad Freddie
The British Navy was blockade running. That's how Sidney Lanier ended up sick with TB at Point Lookout. But they let him keep his flute.
Absolutely nailed the assessment of the war in the first 3 min
Not yet
Hey loving the channel.
Could you do one on the Black Douglas? It's hard to find any information on him.
fact ... more on blockades plz bro .. love the knowladge
Another brilliant Video mate . The South Will Rise Again. Make American Great (Britain ) Again !
Hmmmmmm 🙄
Best history channel I found great blend of humor and facts keep it up 👌
Thanks Calum
Thanks so much! I just found this great channel.
Welcome Lou!
Any more info on the shoot out in Bridge of Allan, mentioned at the start of the video?
Thanks for posting this video.
You're welcome
James Dunwoody Bulloch- Teddy Roosevelt’s Uncle.
Very informative . We,who know something about the war only know generalizations of the participation from the Britain.
When he says 'my southern friends' I keep thinking he means the English for a second.
Amazing stuff.
I've been following your pal Jason's video and I've just managed to work out your sign off. Cool! Tha dòchas ann!!
Yay!
Thank you
You're welcome
Shoutout from North Carolina. Love your channel and this vid especially. Big fan
Thanks
Very talented. I just found your videos. Thx
Glad you like them Paul!
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Great personality and story teller of history!
😂😂 Guid lad
You deserve it....
Best history teacher ive ever seen
😄I'm pretty sure actual history teachers might have an opinion on that
Starting with the Missouri Compromise of 1820, slave states would be added below the Mason-Dixon Line only if a comparable free state was also added at the same time to preserve the 50-50 split of the US Senate. This rule remained in effect until the 1854 Dred Scott case when the US Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional, leading to the Civil War. So, the war was about slavery. The reason why the northern states ended their slavery was the fact that the growing season was so short that slaves were prohibitively expensive. They preferred indentured servants who could pay for their own upkeep.
New Jersey in Bergen Country still had 160 slaves on the books in 1866
Where do you find all this information? You certainly have an interesting angle on Scottish history. Look forward to your next video Bruce.
In The most popular type of confederate flag known today, the stars n bars which wasn’t a national flag of the confederacy but just a battle flag, the red background is the blood of dead confederates the stars each representing a state, and the blue x cross- The cross of St Andrew.
The Stars and Bars WAS the First National Flag of the CSA. It's the one that sorta looks like the national flag of the USA. That resemblance is why Gen. Beauregard requested a battle standard that didn't look at all like the flag of the US. The flag adopted was designed by Andrew Porcher Miles of SC. It was square. There were some rectangular flags in the Army of Tennessee, and a naval Jack or two with the same pattern, but the reason Confederate Battle Flags are generally rectangular today is because most other flags are, and it's easier to make them that way; a mix of historical confusion and ease of manufacture.
Jack that is so far off!!! Just don’t tell that lie please ,
That is a really great story. Yes that war was about much more than slavery. I had Scottish immigrant ancestors on both sides of that war but my heros are Robert E Lee and Thomas( Stonewall) Jackson.
Thanks!
Hey thanks Boyd
Once again really good video. I recently discovered your channel and have been lost in the rabbit hole every since :)
I love it😘
You asked, I'm answering. Love to hear about the differing domestic views of the "blockade economy."
Two of my direct ancestors served the Union Army, Sgt. Thomas Karrick and his Son Hugh, in the 24th Regiment of the Kentucky Infantry.
Each article of secession of each southern state included the declaration that they reserved the right to have slavery.
I'm shocked. I just don't know what to say
@@ScotlandHistoryTours LOL!
I honestly think, if one goes looking for man's inhumanity to man, it can be found everywhere in the world. The Scenery in the background is Beautiful ! thank you for your story .
Ah cannae believe it, lad! I was riveted to the screen, watchin' yuir vid! I love yuir work. Keep at it!
Are you a Geordie ? Lol😉
Love this channel!!
Yay!
Great video as always, should have waaaaaay more views!!!
Let's hope it takes off at some point
Some of my cheeroke ancestors caught for the CSA. But got on the steamboat the CSA shanondoga and sailed all the way to brittain. ironically the cheerokee were the last to surrender at both land and sea
We need you!
Love ya channel already big yin watching as much is a can on ma shift keep up the work
Legend!
Hellloooo from Australia! Randomly discovered your channel this weekend and absolutely loving it. Thanks mate!
Question though: the Gaelic sounding sign off at the end of each video... what are you saying there? Super curious!
You'll get the translation on the product pages for my mugs and T-shirts in the shop. Plus then you'll know where my shop is if you ever want to buy anything 😎 www.scotlandhistorytours.co.uk/shop
@@ScotlandHistoryTours thanks! I had noticed this just after I posted 😂
Great video
Brilliant video buddy
Thanks Kevin. Glad you enjoyed it
Fáilte Bruce, great vid as always but it's starting to get spooky again 😄 I was watching Ken Burns brilliant documentary about the civil war during the week
Please don't watch any films where fat Afro Celts in their 50s get killed by axe murderers
OH GREAT, Thanks alot Bruce.
I have been saying to all when asked about being white in America and slavery "hey I'm Scottish I was born in Scotland we had Nothing to do with the Civil War"
You HAVE DONE it AGAIN BRUCE! Taught me something NEW! Lol. Great video and well done showing me some history I did not know. I live in Connecticut in the North, once served in the Army 26th Infantry Division called the YANKEE DIVISION, YD patch on our uniform, try training down south in Georgia with that.
Lol fun times.
"are you some sort of a YANKEE?" More of a making fun of the nick name than a problem with Southern attitude towards the North. Over here it is not as bad as the media show you. In the Military we are all Green, we have your six (back) covered when fighting there is no room for stupidity. Moving about, College and the Army shows you different people and shows point of views which educate you.
Only through education can you become less prejudice, my Father was less prejudice than his Father, I am less prejudice than my father was and my son will be less prejudice than me. We are the great mixing pot, the land of opportunity. MLK was right, quality of character not color of skin is still the way it must be. A little long way of saying keep up the good work I owe you another coffee too. ☕Yours John Kelley
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Excellent video. In addition to gun-running to the South, I think British traders also sold 350,000 small arms to the North. There is a benefit in being neutral! If the "Trent Affair" had caused Britain to declare war on the Northern forces it would have been interesting to see what impact the four British iron-clads would have had - not to mention 150,000 British and Canadian troops invading Maine.
I have the Trent Affair in my back pocket for another video
Wasn`t ever going to happen , no British Government was going to declare in favour of a Slave Nation when they had outright banned it 30 years previously.
Not only did they abolish it they spent big time on a Anti Slave ships to patrol the high seas .. not just empty words.
They also had 2 prior experiences of a long drawn out American Continental war and where they ended for the "Tiny Island" as General Burgoyne was used to calling it.
The South was never going to win that war as Shelby Foote said.
@@billycaspersghost7528 Reaserch is always good my friend. Not only the Government but the whole of the country was up for war after such an insult to Pax Britannia. In fact large parts of the army had already been sent to Canada (including the Brigade of Foot guards) and the Canadian Fencibles were being mobilised. If President Lincoln had not blinked, believe me, shit was about to get real.
@@Swindondruid2 Yet didn`t get real did it.
For the aforesaid reasons.
@@billycaspersghost7528 It didn't get real becuase the North Americans apologised and gave the Officers back. That is why it didn't happen - nothing whatsoever to do with slavery.
my home town ;) i did see a cuccumber once ,on a slice (square sausage) roll ;)
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First off thanks to Bruce for another wonderful story.
I’m reading many versions of the “Civil War wasn’t about slavery” argument in the comments. No, the common soldier in the Confederate Army wasn’t fighting to preserve slavery. He was fighting to preserve his homeland. However, the political clash leading up to the Civil War was almost entirely about slavery. The Missouri Compromise effectively permitted the abomination of slavery to continue south of the Mason-Dixon Line, but that wasn’t enough for the rich and powerful in the south. They insisted on expanding slavery into new territories to the west. Those territories were not states yet, so the states rights argument to extend slavery in time and territory loses coherency.
Were there greedy industrialists and bankers in the northern states? Of course there were. However, try to answer this question: How would ending the agricultural economy of the southern states, an economy entirely dependent on the institution of slavery, benefit the Boston and New York power elites of the mid-19th Century? It wouldn’t, but extending that slave based agricultural model westward into new territories *would* cost them opportunities to expand industrialization and make more money.
So like virtually every war ever, the politicians, diplomats, and wealth elites who maneuvered events to the point where war became inevitable had different motivations from the common soldiers who fought and died in the war(s). There is one big difference in the American Civil War. The abolitionist movement had been growing in America for decades. The United Kingdom had already outlawed slavery, and Americans still looked to Britain for cultural leadership in some ways. Many individuals in the Union Army *did* fight to end the institution of slavery. Not for economic benefit, but for moral principles. From President Lincoln down through the officer corps and through the enlisted men, many Union soldiers fought to end the institution of slavery, and that was a noble cause.
The story of Major General Benjamin Butler, commander of Fort Monroe in Virginia at the start of the war, is an interesting example. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, a professor of Romance languages at Bowdoin College, had been an ardent abolitionist for over a decade when he led the 20th Maine in the defense of Little Round Top at Gettysburg. The same is true of Robert Shaw who led the ill fated attack on Fort Wagner outside Charleston and many other officers and soldiers on the Union Army. Other soldiers were drafted or joined to fight for other reasons, but you cannot deny that there was a strong element of abolitionist motivation among both officers and enlisted men. They didn’t benefit economically from ending slavery any more than Confederate soldiers from Appalachia - arguably the backbone of the Confederate Army - benefitted from extending slavery or from slavery at all for that matter.
Epilogue: most of my ancestors were in North America by 1840. A great, great grandparent’s ancestors had been here far longer (1/32 Native American). Some fought for the North and some fought for the South. At least one family in Tennessee was torn apart as different brothers fought on both sides. I know that the causes of the American Civil War are nuanced and complex. The South was gradually losing political power to the North, and a state’s right to secede is an argument we could continue for hours. For that matter, I am not certain that I’d argue against a right to secede in today’s insane political landscape. But at the beginning and at the end of the day, that war was at the very least in part about maintaining or ending the institution of slavery.
Ending that abominable institution was a worthy cause.