Who were The Covenanters?
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- The Covenanters and the Jacobites were two opposites in Scottish history, but they depended on each other and were inextricably linked. Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey takes you to St Giles Cathedral and Greyfriars Cemetery to give you a glimpse of the story.
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If you ever do another video about the Covenanters you should come to Ayrshire as it was a hotbed for them. Covenanters stones and statues abound down here. Great video as ever Bruce thanks for sharing the knowledge.
If I may clarify a matter Bruce. Both the English monarchy and the Scottish monarchy when it comes to the Church. Jesus Christ the "King of All Kings" is head of the Church which is the body, So therefore His annointed human representative ie the king or Queen is the head of the church in situ as well as the head of governance, as the personal representative of Jesus Christ. On lighter note next you will be telling us how Robert the Bruce put his Agent Robin the hood to rob from the English to shaft John.
A great read on the battle of Drumclog (my birthplace), Bothwell Brig and the subsequent persecution of the Covenanters can be read in Sir Walter Scott’s novel Old Mortality.
Reading his preface is an eye opener regarding Victorians back to front thinking. Up to the point he wrote the book, he despised the Whigs (if I have it right, the parliamentary arm of the Covenanters).
However his demeanour changed when he heard of an old Covenanter who had devoted his life to maintaining the gravestones of martyred Covenanters, the man known as Old Mortality.
To Scott this was the pinnacle of noble endeavours.
What he seems to ignore is the fact that Old Mortality abandoned his family to pursue his mission!!! This was in a time when there was no social service!
Old Mortality is packed with footnotes and loaded with typical Scott verbosity, but it makes for very racy reading, IMO.
There are many interesting stories regarding the conventicles, many involving the minister, Alexander Peden also known as Prophet Peden (at farmer John Brown’s wedding he said to John’s wife, “keep the winding sheets handy. Your husband is a good man, but he is not long for this world “. John was shot out of hand by Claverhouse, who is supposed to have said to her, “what do you think of your husband now!”)
At one of the conventicles, sentries spotted dragoons in the vicinity. All the able bodied people disappeared, but Peden was afraid the old folk and children would be caught by the dragoons, so he asked God to keep them out of sight. As he prayed, a mist fell over them and blocked them from sight.
Another time a teenage girl was on her way to a conventicle, when she was stopped by dragoons who asked her where she was going. Not wanting to lie, she was inspired to say, “to hear the last Will & Testament of my Older Brother being read out!”
I still maintain this man needs his own TV show.
Absolutely!
Me too!
Tv as we knew it is gone. I like this show just fine the way it is.
@@thomassmith7374 what I'm saying is he deserves a bigger audience.
@@thomassmith7374 True,Bruce gives both sides as best he can,which may not suit msm,agenda today.
I'm a a 7th generation grandson of the Covenanter Rev. John "Hugh" McMillan who fled first to Ireland, then to America. He died in 1780 and is buried in South Carolina.
By any chance do you of Rev. William Turner who went to N. Ireland then Snow hill,Maryland in 1780? He is my husband's ancestor.
The thing about Americans of Scottish descent is that a lot depends on WHEN in history your own Scottish ancestors arrived here. I happen to have a family tree that looks a good bit like a Glasgow phone book, mostly from Argyle and the Lower Hebrides (Jura in particular). Some of them came directly to America from Scotland, some came by way of Ireland. My own family tree has incorporated new arrivals from Scotland since the originals landed here in the early 1600's. At this point I don't really know what brought them each here; I just know that the name James is quite prevalent, and your videos are helping to provide context. So, you see, the attitude of one American of Scottish descent might be very unlike the understanding of another one, depending on when and why their own ancestors arrived. Add in certain unfortunate anomalies of our educational system (including a real neglect of the study of history), and you can see why you might get such a diverse set of opinions from us. Keep on teaching; you're telling me stuff that I wasn't taught in school at all. Thank you.
Ours came as guests of His Majesty's Prisons...
Mine too.
Mine come from Scotland to northern Ireland became Catholic,left Ireland in the 2000s. Funny thing family history and we all have one .
@@Ammo08 if you are saying his majesty …which one? It may offend …however the time period may cast light.
Much of our history is shrouded in myths and legends and yes propaganda too ( yes actual propaganda that was placed for a reason…again depending on the time period…and a heck of a lot has seeped in and been taken as fact, when it is not.) Scotland’s history esp the time periods around the risings is very nuanced and complicated, it isn’t straightforward, nor is it (like Bruce explains well) just one side against the other, it far more complex, in truth many actual Scots don’t fully understand the Jacobite risings and what they were and what they were most certainly not lol.
There are indeed differing views in Scotland depending where you come from and also just how well you understand the times. South of the border the Jacobite cause was even different in aims and wants.
Anyway not my intention to offend just don’t fully believe that people were forceable transported via the penal system, some were but many were not, however saying they were does add flavour to a story.
@@silverbullet6436 that certainly is a new one on me the change in religion esp in the north ….but I guess the 21rst cent has its own story so to speak
One side of my moms family were covenanters and the other side were Jacobites. My dads family was fiercely loyal to the king. Deported by the Parliamentarians in another earlier war, and sold as a slave in the new world at 12 years old. His father died in battle. His mother didn't make it to the colonies. I was born in a village that has the only lord in the America's and who till his death maintained that title with England. We lived a very different kind of life. My great grandfather was a tenant farmer for the lord and his family. It was a very different way of life there. We have all mostly been chased out though. Uncle Bennet and uncle King I think are the only ones still there but they are in their 90s now. They were too old to leave. The rest of us had no choice as our jobs were outlawed and our houses bulldozed to put up ocean side resorts. I feel like a fossil and im only 40! I've watched an entire history and culture that had continued much the way it had been from 1642 completely disapear and be forgotten in just 20 years! The few who do remember us,because they worked tirelessly to get rid of us, only bring the name of our community up as a form of mockery. Like when you want to say someone is stupid or backwards. We were farmers and fisherman. We loved our Island. We cared for the land and the sea. And now its all gone. I can't ever go home. And I miss it more that I can say. Don't ever lose your history or identity. Don't ever forget your origins and the people who gave everything so you can be here today. Its a terrible thing when a whole way of life is forgotten and a people burried. These videos are so important to keep these stories and people alive.
We are seeing this come to Canada and certainly swiftly now.
And we do not have the cohesive history of the old world. But mad dark minded men with their institutions are for taking the sunshine and song from our land and people.
They have divided us for decades, east against west, French against English, immigrant against home born, light against dark. All so they can lead all around by the nose and enjoy power, influence, money.
Totally not even one good sane reason to do so.
The Presbyterian church where I live have a service one Sunday a year to celebrate the Covenanters they go up the hills to where they used to meet for this , many things here,streets or businesses are called covenantor
Great to see this story being told. History is a complex multicoloured tapestry and your tales bring it to life.
I recently found your channel. Love it! I’m a huge fan of Church History, and the Reformation. I just recently found out that I’m directly related to Rev. John Welsh and John Knox. I was already a huge fan of John Knox. I’m now earnestly trying to find out everything possible about my family.
Wow directly related,your not far from being Scottish royalty my brother,outwith our lord and saviour Jesus Christ,John Knox isn’t far below him,he’s an absolute hero of mine
My 9th great grandfather John McQueen was a covenanter that was held at Donnotar Castle and then shipped to America in 1685! They say he carved his name into the wall of the dungeon, i would love to visit one day and see!
Stool thrown, shit hit the fan. Threw her stool, couldn't hold it in any longer, two crappy jokes in a row... love it. The parts detailing how people were heavily persecuted was sobering. Great video, thank you.
She had the guts to stand, whereas the Gentry and commoner, bow their heads to the Bishop tail.........>>.
Thank you for posting this video. Years ago in a walking trip, via West Linton in the Pentlands Hills, with my dad and uncle, we encountered a grave to a covenanter. A blog post* by someone else, which I found online a few minutes ago, describes the story behind the grave: -
"In 1666, a small Covenanter army had risen in south-west Scotland and then advanced towards Edinburgh in an attempt to win support. On 28 November 1666 at the eastern end of the Pentland Hills, they clashed with a superior Government army in the Battle of Rullion Green. The Covenanters were defeated and those caught, were hanged. One Covenanter, his name unknown, escaped despite being mortally wounded. He headed westwards to try to make his way home to Ayrshire. He was suffering badly from his wounds when he knocked on the door of a shepherd called Adam Sanderson who lived near Black Law. At risk to his own life, the shepherd let him rest in his barn. Knowing he was seriously ill, the Covenanter asked that if the shepherd should find him dead in the morning, would he bury him in sight of the Ayrshire hills, the land of his childhood. Sure enough, the next morning, Adam Sanderson found him dead. The shepherd carried his body up Black Law and buried him on its western slope. Almost 400 years later, we stood by the grave that summer’s evening and looked west. We could indeed make out the Ayrshire hills in the distance...The inscription on the stone reads: "To the memory of a Covenanter who fought and was wounded at Rullion Green, 28 November 1666, and who died at Oaken Bush the day after the battle and was buried here by Adam Sanderson of Blackhill". The gravestone in place today on Black Law was erected in 1841. The original stone that marked the grave is now held in Dolphinton Parish Church, a few miles to the south."
*theoutdoordiaries.blogspot.com/2020/08/western-pentlands-covenanters-grave.html
This other source gives more detailed information on the covenanter's grave: -
ancestorville.com/products/covenanters-grave-pentland-hills-scotland
Great story, I loved walking in the Pentlands and your story gives all the details of the famous Covenanter’s grave that I never heard before.
@@elizabethghent194 Other than the first paragraph of my post, I can't take the credit, but the blog writer wrote a fascinating post.
Back again to thank you Danny Quail. That was a lovely Blog with great photos.
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Good timing. I was feeling very down and melancholy about today. Twenty years ago thousands of my fellow Americans died and this lead to hundreds of thousands to die in the Middle East and countries were destroyed based on lies.
Really appreciate your hard work and talent. I needed a pleasant break from such a sad day. Thank you.
Greetings from Greece. This channel is absolutely brilliant, educational and fun.
Thank you very much!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Thank you sir!
Good Morning, Bruce.
I’m grabbing my morning coffee, sitting down and listening to, “Let me tell you a story!”
Edinburgh is my favorite city. We stayed at Three Sisters while there. The people were so friendly.
My kids have a bunch of friends in Edinburgh via the internet. They are always laughing and carrying on. There is an entire ocean between them but these kids can get together online and still have fun.
Always felt so disconnected from my own history, this channel is ace!
Good one, Bruce. Although my SCE Grade History in Secondary school started with the Restoration (1660), and so I was aware of the religious persecution that occurred during the reign of Charles II, I never fully grasped how the world turned upside down for the Covenanters until your concise explanation today.
James I that followed on at the behind...... (Bright idea from the man of blood, the bedpan twist ) ;(
But afore should have held young 'Charles II' nose much longer at that grindstone before releasing him South.
Burce once more you expose us to history that while not lost was misplaced along the way. Keep up the good work.
Another great story, well told. Reminds me of the mass rocks in Ireland where illegal Catholic masses were held. In one tale the British army is spotted approaching. An old man says he is at the end of his life and swaps clothes with the young priest. The old man is duly shot in the priestly garb.
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Sadly to many of them stories on this island...these is an old mine in my home town that has tale that the English ran civilians into it an then blew up the way out (probably a bitter un true story but most likely did take place at some point somewhere on the island) it's hard tell the difference between local folklore and local historical fact
@@niallkelly2990 read up about the irish running about scotland on the orders of the king killin people practising there religon
My family is Scots Irish Presbyterian traced back to the beginning. I am 69 years old and still discovering the so much history.
The American “Hillbillies “were Covenanting Protestants who ended up in the colonies. Good banjo players,though.
They do have good music and always have a story to tell.
Something that was a mystery to me has now been eruditely demystified Cheers.
I learned quite a bit in this one. I also drew some parallels. Here in Texas our governor just made a law that contravened a national law and in doing so offered a bounty to report violators to authorities. Sounds very 17th century to me.
As a fellow Texan of Scottish decent I agree with you.
I just found your channel because I have been learning about my covenanter ancestors (James Warren, George Grey, Daniel Dill and others--I'm starting to lose track as there are so many) who were all marched to Durham and shipped off to New England (I live in Maine). I absolutely loved this video and am about to watch many more. Thank you for this material!
Welcome on board
Such interesting stories. It helps to learn more about Scotland.
Yay
Another excellent video, Bruce! Your comment about “yon Oliver” made me chuckle; as I have alluded to before, your delivery knocks spots off his offerings.
I also like your walking style- it’s a laid- back vibe, but has a “Ah’ll toe your ba*s!” quality. I was brought up a schemie, so I speak with some authority on the matter……😉🏴
Excellent piece. I'm an American descended from jacobites and covenanters and other losers in battle before that. Keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for this. My mother was descended from a Covenanter, Nathaniel Wilson. Thanks to his common surname and living in upstate New York I don't know if I'll ever know more. Ancestor Sander Millison was transported to New England and another may have been to.
Wow, so so much of which I knew nothing. The grim parallels of history, in Elizabethan England, those who denounced Catholics for sheltering priests got a bounty too. One of the biggest advances in human history was the toleration of alternative religious expression, still to be universal. 12,000 dead - that's an awful percentage of Scotland's then population. Thanks Bruce, another excellent video!
Thanks again Bruce. I’m just back in Yorkshire after a fortnight in that lovely land, again!. I recommend a wonderful old novel about Covenanters in Dumfries and Galloway (including a reverse Outlanders romance) R. W. MacKenna. Flower Of The Heather.
The area that I live in was terrorised by a Covenanter unit of Frasers during the War of Three Kingdoms. The easiest comparison would be to watch the opening scenes of the Magnificent Seven. Just replace Mexican bandits with grey clad, blue bonnet wearing Scots, led by Eli McWallach.
That is one excellent analogy!. I love all the old Westerns.
Here in Lanarkshire , Marquis of Dundee hunted down our people,we knew him as Bluidy Clavers!
We beat him at Drumclog and at Louden Hill ..
Fought him at Killiecrankie where he died!
The Orange Order must be proud of you.
Might I recommend the book For king and conscience, I really does argue against ‘the bliudy clavers’ label. By using the mans own letters and correspondence. It’s certainly worth a read. On another note the American actor Johnathan Cryer, found one of his ancestor s arrived in America as a prisoner after the battle of Dunbar.
Bruce, sir, you need to see about doing a show on the history channel as well, you are so engaging, informative and i love your accent too! plz keep up the great work you do. The community is WELDED to your show!
Wow, thanks
Excellent production from an American who's ancestors were Covenantors. Thanks James Craig Galloway
Glad you enjoyed it
Very well explained Bruce. The tangled web of the Covenant War is difficult to pull apart, and you've done a masterful job.
You're too kind
I wish we in England have someone of your skill and passion to tell the English story.
There must be somebody somewhere
I don't mind Mr. Starkey!
Awey hem Bruce.
You said what needed to be said.
Your delivery is amazing. So entertaining .
Oh thank you!
Thank you, Bruce. I often have to view the videos a few times to wrap my head around what REALLY happened: what with the crossing and double crossing. 🥴
Aye, that's folk for ye
Another great program well done bruce
Thanks Bruce, great story. Whole Covenanter story is tough to get a handle on
Great history lesson Bruce....! I never really knew the history of the Covenanters and how they were related or stacked up with the Jacobites. Keep up the good work. 👍
Well done, you tell the history in a way that really keeps me captivated.
You're welcome
Personal comment of Laura Botten: My husband's family were Presbyterians. Jock Maclean. I wish I'd known all of this before his daughter, Grandma Morag, passed away. My family came through Nova Scotia with the same values, but I only know of them being part of the United Church of Canada. That church has changed enough that my grandma, third generation in the church, left the local one because she couldn't communicate with the pastor about her concerns.
Hello Bruce. I have heard of carers needing to be quick on their feet to avoid stool throwing old women, but never was it quite as funny as how you told it. This was one bit of Scottish history I knew about from looking at background to my childhood favourite "Kidnapped" but you do fill in the details very well. Learning should be fun, but watch out, in these times the Puritans banned Christmas.
Does that mean we don't have to listen to those tunes in December?
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Now you sound like me. The Xmas TV channels start this month. I reckon they should wait until after Remembrance in November, like I heard US had to wait until after Thanksgiving.
Great video, as always, and good to see the other side of the coin. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for that. Grammar note - men are hanged, pictures are hung. English is curious.
Amazing what can be learned/learnt on TH-cam ... For instance brava/bravo ... My pet hate is 'hence why'... Excellent channel here 😊 never boring.
I've learned so much from these videos that I didn't get in college and I have a history degree
I’m reading an old history book that talks briefly about the Covenanters and the formation of the union. Written from the English side. It’s fascinating, and I’m glad you’re here making videos for further context =D
One of your best yet. I was waiting for your sensible take on the Covenanters. You captured the ambiguity of real history. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Very interesting, learned something new today from this, thanks.
Always enjoy your stories.
My Armstrong Great Grams wore her dour with pride. I'm fonder of manly calves, and the occasional flash of more northerly bits as well. Dour just isn't my thing.
Personally I practice older beliefs, that neither the Jacobites, nor the Covenanters tolerated. Yay team Pict!
And thats another story....!
Greetings from Pictland (Angus).
p#ictland ?@@francisstephen999
Thankyou so much, im glad to hear the stories that your bringing to us. I love listening them. You are a very knowledgable scottish gentleman, & quite the historian. You' ve got my attention, and i appreciate what your doing.
Ah thanks Chrisine
good educational stuff there Bruce McFummey
Excellent history video, Could be my imagination but you seem to just get better all the time and they have been great to start with! I will be watching this one again to really grasp the facts. Thank you for these brilliant videos.
I hope I do get better with time. That's the plan😁
Couple of my Scottish ancestors were Covenanters. Sir James Hume and Sir James Hoge of Paisley and Musselburgh, respectively. Hume died onboard the ship, The Caledonia, as he fled with his family to the new world. Believe his wife died onboard the ship, too. Their children survived the journey and made it to what's now the US. As I recall learning, I believe it was their daughter who married one of the Hoge men who was also a passenger onboard The Caledonia. The ship was transporting many political / religious dissidents, most Covenanters, to the new world where they could expect freedom to worship as they liked. I wonder what made them choose the US and not the Netherlands. That's a head-scratcher.
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Thank you for another interesting and informative video! Stays safe. ATB. Nigel
And on the anniversary of the battle of Stirling Bridge too.
I've got a video about that th-cam.com/video/c3TTnxZCv0I/w-d-xo.html
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Cheers Bruce.
Sir Alexander Henderson was a great great uncle of mine!
When looking into where my ancestor "John Mack" came from when he went to America in 1669 from Scotland, I first read about the Covenanters. We don't know exactly where he was born. Some think he was a MacGregor fleeing a bounty on his head, some say he was running due to religious persecutions. What we do know due to Y-DNA testing he was likely from the Glasgow area as he was a remote kin to Lennox. By that reasoning, I believe he was a Covenantor. John Mack is of interest as he was the Grandfather of Lucy Mack, who was the mother of Joseph Smith Jr. the Prophet of the Mormon Church. Personally, I believe he was of the Landed Gentry as he was not poor as he had a Great Sword, not a trifle thing to own. Someday I hope to visit Scotland and find out more, but, 350 years ago is a long time for information to get lost.
Thanks!
A piece of Scottish history that I didn’t know. And the idea that the philosophy undergirding the American Revolution has Covenanter roots makes a great deal of sense. Thanks for another excellent video.
Thanks for watching
Just fantastic as always 👍🏴
Thank you! Cheers!
I knew of Covenanters when I was wee, their heads are buried in my town
There's an open air church in Plockton. There's photos of it still in use in the 1800's maybe early 1900's I believe.
Yet another important story! Thank you.
You have a cool way of looking at things.I really want to visit Eday in the Orkneys,one of the islands my ancestors came from,and the rest of the island group.
My understanding of my family comes from the Masons.They told me my entire family history,they had been watching me for years.
They came to me and now I am one of them.
I’m a descendant of Mures of Rowallan in Ayrshire who was a Covenanter
Very good
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, as I do all of your others. The Crumpton's of my family (we later married into several different Highland families moving north.) came to the Lowlands at Dumfries in the 1600's, and were Covenanters. When we were brought to the America's we were still Covenanters. The Catholic part of the family were Highland Jacobites. I wear the Robertson Kilt. So I guess I'm on both sides and proud to be so.
The SouthEast people were harried by an Ex or non-clan, like the 1991 Robin Hood movie.
@@johnpotter4750 We didn't harry anyone.
One issue with North Americans identifying as having Scotch Covenanter ancestry is there are a lot of the Northern Irish diaspora that probably could rightly be called both. My own maternal family is Scottish but by way of hundreds of years in Northern Ireland.
My Scot Covenanter ancestry went into Northern Ireland for maybe a generation or two and the emigrated to the US in late 1600’s until the mid 1800’s. I have been working on my family history for years but it wasn’t until recently that I found out about the history of the Scot Presbyterians being relocated to Northern Ireland. This is a period of history I really need to do some research on! The more I learn, the more I realize I don’t know.
Scotch?
My Scottish ancestry can be traced back to Covenanters at the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. I believe they were from Saltcoats. Either way, they (husband John and wife Agnes) were deported to the plantations of Jersey in 1685 after reportedly being branded (Agnes) and having ears docked (John). I'm glad to have found your channel and videos.
I recently found my so many greats grandfather's papers. He was "deported" for being a covenator. I didn't know what that was, so I came to this video. Wow.
It is very difficult to put reliable numbers of Covenanter deaths. Is the 18,000 figure on the Martyrs Memorial reliable or inflated to suit the purposes of later generations ? And the numbers associated with the Covenanters Prison also appear deliberately inflated. Of the 1,184 men imprisoned at Edinburgh after the Battle of Bothwell Brig only 338 were still there less than 2 weeks later. Only 2 of these men were executed at Edinburgh (as you say in the video) no others followed them to the Gallows in the Grassmarket. The rest had pledged to not take up arms against the King and were released. Of the remaining 338 men left in the “Prison” in mid July, more eventually signed the pledge, whilst the hardcore 247 who refused being shipped off to the American Colonies in November, but most drowned on route. It seems that non of those held in the “Prison” died of exposure or starvation at Greyfriars, but a few will have died of infected wounds or other illness, as was sadly the fate of many ordinary folk in those times. Stories of hundreds being executed and hundreds starving to death or dying of exposure at Greyfriars appears to be a resilient myth created many years after the event as propaganda.
I enjoy all your podcasts, thank you for them. I especially like how you here present the Covenanters and Jacobites as two sides of the same coin: I get tired of seeing these two causes and groups romanticized and put on pedestals. The Covenanters weren't opposing the existence of government religion, they wanted it to be their religion (Presbyterian) and no other. As for the Killing Times - let's hear about Philiphaugh. On the other side we see the Highland clans dishing out plenty of their own killing of those with opposing religious or political ideologies.
Yair a wee bet awesome, Bruce (closest I could get to a Scots accent in characters)
It's funny you mention this. I just found out today that I had relatives held in the Whig's Vault. I guess that would make them Covenanters? It was around 1685.
Keep on keeping on. I wanted to let U know how much I appreciate your suggestions of Ur other posts that are similar because I have found myself listening to them for a second time because of something you said. Not sure if it makes sense so just keep doing what you’re doing. 😂
Brilliant
THIS GUY, TELLS IT WELL, GREAT WORK,, DES CREAN ,BELFAST,,IRELAND
great work as usual mate
Thank you! Cheers!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours your welcome
Come to Hamilton Bruce, Battle of Heiton plaque, Covenanters graves, marked and unmarked and also the Battle of Bothwell Bridge monument. Bring Bruce Begbie too!
My mothers Scottish family were probably Conventers. They were deported from Scotland and they aren’t religious. Which to me sounds like they were bitter about religion. They were cattle thieves, but the locals didn’t take them too seriously, they’d give the cattle back, if asked. They are a Sept of Sutherlands. My fathers Scottish family were different. They immigrated to the US and Canada as a large family group in the early 19th. They are more upland sorts
Bluidy Clavers or Bonnie Dundee......take yer pick!!! Looking forward to the sequels. Thanks for posting!
You're welcome
How are you doing master Bruce iam new subscriber Arabic lady citizen we are as foreigners subscribers as overseas students enjoy to explore places unknown to us learn new information to increase our cultural level improve our English language as well i gathered main information about topic you talked about briefly briefly here it’s convenanter. Any of Scottish Presbyterians who at various crises during 17 th century bonds or convenants notably to national convenant in 1638 to solemn league and convenant in 1643 in which pheypledged to maintain their chosen of church government and worship the origins of movement lay in dispute with james and his son Charles over church structure and doctrine in 1638 thousands of scots signed national covenant imposed Charles on Kirk following victory in years 1639 1640 bishops war convenant took control of Scotland Scottish convenant believe leaders in religious affairs
The National Covenant was read out from the pulpit of Old Greyfriars Church before being taken down to Tailors' Hall in the Cowgate to be signed. A copy of the document can be seen in the small exhibition inside the church. Admission is free
The Covenanter flag in Greyfriars is a facsimile of the original in Airdrie library,carried at Bothwell bridge by one John Main of Ballochnie Airdrie Lanarkshire!!
I’m so lost on where to begin tracking the WHY did they come part with my Scottish ancestors ending up in the United States. I’ve started with many genealogy tips, but I don’t have a confirmed documented link yet to someone born in Scotland. Robertson, Seaton, Maxwell, McLean. This is the first time I have ever considered that some may have come due to religion. All we’re living in the states before Culloden so I’m having to learn from stories like this. Thanks Bruce for the insight and possible lead.
Before Culloden you left for only two reasons, to make money off of the colonization of the new world or religious persecution. So the Grey and Byrd side of my mothers family had emigrated very early on. They had wealth and influence so they had a lot of financial interest in the colonies. That was their only reason for emigrated. It was just business. Looking out for their investment. Most of the family though came to escape or as indentured slaves.
You need to go to dalgarnock one day.... theres a monument for 57 covenanters there. James Harkness who was a relative of mine is buried there and led a raid to save a bunch of fellow covenantors from being sold into slavery to America....... many of my family is buried there.... spooky place
My Edinburgh-born mother admired both the Jacobites and the Covenanters. I sing "Hey Johnny Cope", because it's a great song about a victory of the wild highland Jacobites., but as a mathematician I'm a huge fan of Colin McLaurin, a child prodigy who was Professor of Mathematics at Edinburgh University, and failed to raise a militia to prevent the Jacobites from capturing the Castle. Just as well the folk were too canny to agree with him. General Cope's professionals were defeated at Preestonpans.
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The Scots on my Dad's side were mainly Catholics, those on my Mom's were Protestant.
Descendant here of Covenanters on both sides of my family. They all came by way of Ulster around 1700-1750 or so. Mostly settling in the carolinas and central PA initially, but migrated to IN, IA and eventually KS. They were all interred in Covenanter cemeteries here in the US up until the late 19th century, when the term started to die out and most affiliated with Associate or Reformed Presbyterian congregations. I found a sermon from one preacher who came from Scotland discouraging them from using the term "Covenanter" as that related only to a specific time and place, which had no meaning or connection with their new life in America. Don't know if that explains why you don't hear about them as much in the US or not.
I most likely had distant relatives in the battle of Prestonpans and a distant great uncle plus some a covenant-er
The problem with us Americans is we don't want to look too deeply into our family trees. Of course it doesn't help that most Americans ancestors arrived here in the 19th century, and few of us can go that far back in history to see whether or not our ancestors (at least the Scots ones) were Covenanters or Jacobites. So we identify with the ones we like the most. And I find nothing wrong with that.
This is great I’ve only ever heard about the Covenanters in relational the war of the three kingdoms/English Civil Wars
Another good one, Bruce. You are not scared to take sides, are you?
Unfortunately, it can be very difficult if not impossible for many Americans like myself to know our Scottish ancestry, direct line or not, to a degree that would satisfy most professional genealogists, etc. In my case, the most I can say with confidence is that my last name is Scottish, and can be found, at the least, in Aberdeen. Beyond that, it's mostly conjecture. Records being destroyed as a result of fires caused by natural causes or conflicts is one of them. Were my ancestors Jacobites? No idea. Did my 5th great grandfather leave Scotland because he was pressured to? And was he actually born in Scotland or was it one of the Carolinas or Virginia, elsewhere? The answer to both questions is, I don't know. I'm not even sure who his parents actually were.
Of course none of those issues are unique to America and Americans. And regardless of how verifiable any of it is, the tendency is often going to be to latch onto the most, for lack of a better term, romantic theories about one's origins. At least until such time as it can be disproven, and perhaps not even then.
My situation is much the same. I know some my ancestors were in the Carolinas by 1750 but beyond that??At this point it pretty much doesn't matter but it is a curiosity. By the way, Gilbreath (with the R) is one of my family names from those early Carolina years.
Most of the Covenanter prisoners held in Greyfriars churchyard were sold as indentured slaves in the American colonies, many to the Carolinas ! That may interest you!!
@@climer588 Sorry for late response. I assume you mean with a B rather than with an R with regard to the Gilbreaths. Concerning the Gilbreaths, the name is very similar, but most Gilreaths, i think it's accurate to say, believe the two families are largely separate. By 'largely separate' I mean that there can be some Gilreaths related to Gilbreaths, and sometimes you'll come across records, etc., that have used the Gilbreath spelling concerning some Gilreath person(s); some Gilreaths may have even taken on the Gilbreath surname and vise verse. I don't know for sure. But whereas Gilbreath is a variation on Galbraith, Gilreath, and this being the more popular theory within the family, so far as I am aware, is thought to be a distortion of the name Gilruth. But it's very difficult to know any of this for certain.
One sticking point is that the first son known to be born to William Gilreath. f. 1725/1730 to 1795, John, is different from that of his inferred father George. To be in keeping with Scottish naming customs, either John should have been named George or George should have been named John. Of course not keeping with a custom doesn't automatically disprove George as William's father and John's grandfather, but if the general rule is that these customs were followed, than there should be more evidence to support that an exception took place. I'm also not sure of how much evidence, if any, George lived in the American Colonies. I would probably need to ask someone more knowledgeable about it.
What’s with the NZ placemakers t shirt🤣🏴
So When Did Bruce work for Placemakers Southland.
Do any of your productions include the covenanters who were banished to Bass Rock?