I've realised that how I explained melodies wasn't great, and could've been done much better. Simpler, less complex melodies are often more memorable because they use familiar rhythms. That's why a lot of catchy melodies are usually quite simple. But my explanation implies that they are better than complex melodies. That's not true. There's no objective "good" or "bad" melody. Complex melodies can be very creative and exciting, but they might take more time to stick with the listener because they're less familiar. Simpler melodies tend to be more popular because they're easier to digest and recall. Complex melodies can sound amazing, but may require more focus to stick with the listener. There are no rules that say one is better than the other, and I apologise if I implied otherwise.
First question: Do you need a MIDI keyboard to make video game music/does it make it easier? Second question: What the heck exactly isssss a midi keyboard??
@@tinypeople3940 You definitely don't need a MIDI keyboard to make video game music. It can make it easier, but only if you're willing to put some time into learning it. A MIDI keyboard is just a piano-style digital keyboard that can be plugged into your computer.
Hi Zectro - that jam you linked by Lone Rabbit I happened to win in the category of "Correlation to Theme." :) I posted my song on a Valheim build I did on this channel. I've started hosting my own jam series as well called Impressions. I need to link it to my channel. I am hosting a jam every month to keep it on a cadence, like actual training, expanding on different skills each month, but where the skills are top level and a lot of fun. The compositions I've had for the jam I'm hosting are incredible. I'd love to see you pop around! :)
I've been making music for a few months now. I also have 50+ songs. I've uploaded a few. I don't have any fancy musical experience, I just mess around with notes until I find a good rhythm and melody.
"hopefully you chose melody A" My brain cause ive learned music for 10+ years: sings melody B more than A cause it's more interesting LOL joking aside though, melody A def is the way to go for someone starting out. Simple, memorable, and can be easily sung by anybody hearing it for the first time. As someone still getting into composing, thank you so much for this video. Very helpful stuff here for getting started.
As the current owner of the Toby Fox sheet this was an incredibly informative video!! Composing is so much fun and I’m glad to see more guides on making tracks.
I clicked on the video bc I like to have tutorial videos and tips play in the background while I draw, and then I rewatch them when I want to extra learn, then the information is properly digested, I have so many sub conscious skills bc of this multi tasking style learning system lmao
Finally someone how doesn't overcomplicate the subject with difficult words and provides a simple roadmap to get started for anyone who would mant to! I've been trying to learn how to make music many times and always failed but I have a strong feeling that just following your video WILL make me complete my first song. Thanks so much, I'll start first thing toworrow❤
Really cool video! One thing that I wanted to point out is how you explained melody using ABAC as an example of how to structure it could be confusing down the line for new composers. From my understanding, using A, B etc is usually used to categorize sections of a song, and not parts of a melody, so an A section is an 8 bar Melody that has your main melody, the B section is a different but complementary 8 bar melody etc! While your explanation is great for a beginner, it could lead to confusion down the line if they want to learn more from other composers! What you ended up describing is usually called the Period form, Ryan Leach has a fantastic video explaining melodies using the period form! :)
Honestly the only thing different between videogame music and regular music (especially electronic music) is that it usually needs to loop seamlessly from the end of the tracks back to the beginning. The rest isn't exclusive to videogame music, such as using soundfonts and scene context
hmmm I'd say that it's a lot like film music, where music isn't created to fit a genre but to fit a certain feeling that corresponds to a scene/character
I think CDDA music in games that came out at its infancy (i.e. Sonic CD) might not have looped seamlessly (it's very audible in Sonic CD, in fact, and even worse in the Yuusei build).
Wow this is an incredibly informative video. I've been wanting to make music for video games for a long time now and I didn't really know where to start. This video has helped me link a lot of things together now, thank you so much. I had no idea about the gamejams but they seem really fun!
Im new to making video game music, so this video was a very good recommendation. I already knew most of the stuff since i kind of play the piano, but one thing that really helped me out was to start with the base line and then add chords! Very good vid, keep it up!
If you want a more advanced synth for a variety of genres, Vital is an industry-grade software synth that can create basically any synth sound you can think of. It does have a learning curve, though, but I've made entire songs exclusively with vital, including drums and every possible synth.
You could also use OpenMPT as a DAW, its a free sample-based tracker player with the ability to use soundfonts as well. and you can also use it to make songs that range from house, jungle, breakcore, or old amiga music. It's a bit unconventional, but it's free and powerful with the ability to use a bunch of neat effects that are hard to replicate in typical DAWs like FL Studio and Ableton.
Crazy how I was just thinking about where to start with making vg music and then your video gets recommended to me. Loved it, I watched your video on making lofi a while back and that was super helpful!
Dude I can not tell you the jumpscare I got seeing the thumbnail. I worked on the game you used for Ludum Dare a while ago with some other Game Dev youtubers but it went so poorly and was pretty much unfinished. I didn't even think anyone had access to the game so seeing it in ur thumbnail was so jarring lmao
oh my god it's you! yeah me, you and barji worked on it. i was trying to figure out what to use for the thumbnail and i remember i had an old test video from when we were working on it, so i threw it in the thumbnail haha. it's so cool to see you here though!
I don't even necessarily want to make music to be used in actual video games. I'm more the type of person to hear a cool video game soundtrack and wish to emulate its vibe, or perhaps hear a particularly good song and imagine remixing it into something even better. Although, I guess that is closer to video game music than regular music. huh.
Yeah, that's really cool! A good idea would be to try and recreate songs that you like. That way you learn how the song is structured so that you can apply it yourself
i checked the crunchtime 03 results page and saw that your submission was one place above my own hahahah great and informative video, imma keep an eye on what you do next. good luck with ost composing jam 7!
Hoping this video will motivate me to get back into this stuff, as I have way more knowledge I've accumulated. I used to make terrible songs on the regular but life kinda gets in the way and I lost all motivation. Also I'll say I've sat through 100s of tutorials and this is by far one of the best, it's nice to see someone cover a lot of elements simply and succinctly in a way that's applicable. Now if only I could figure out how to properly mix and master
I clicked on this video because I love creating digital music and am looking for tips on how to finally create an original song that sounds good and memorable. There were really good tips in this video, thank you!
Nice! I thought i was coming here for a “how to build your music to fit a game setting” so more on the technical side, like how to make a song knowing its going to be looped in some kind of way and how to adapt to many different types of implementation, but that was insightful as well. (For those who needed such advice) I stayed for the great editing and for how this approach makes me remember how simple music can be at its core! Lovely video! Glad i stayed around and learned about some music jams
Im primarily an artist but also extremely interested in making music too Thus video was the best guide I've seen for a non musician like me Much appreciated
I didn't know that sound fonts were a thing I could do, Thank you :) I've honestly been looking for that, because my favorite artists use memorable sounds and I'd like to experiment with it.
I love listening the ost in video games but I wanted to know how they are made. I love condensed lessons and you give me answer to both of my demands. Thanks
I’ve been writing music for a relatively short time, but I also just graduated with an associate’s in Music. My very first piece I wrote was performed by one of our student ensembles and I wrote my first big personal piece as a boss theme for a friend of mine. Making music is a ton of fun and I’ve started learning to use FL Studio on top of MuseScore to make more complete pieces. I def wanna make writing for games and such my career and any tips, like the ones in this video, are helpful along the way!
So, to answer that question in the description- I would absolutely love to see the process of how its done while making a song. This is definitely very helpful for anyone who wants to dip their toes into music, but I'd personally love to see what i'm setting myself up for through someone as skilled as you :)
i have been making vgm style music for over a year bow and its really fun!! i have a lot of songs made and quite a bit of my music is basic but i have also been remaking old songs
I can approve on what he said about learning chords, It is definitely worth it If you only know the basic Majors and Minors it would be pretty hard for you to make variatons and different / specific feelings for you song
I actually watched this Video because I joined the same jam. I have always had a problem with coming up with melodies and this video did help with that. Thanks
love your way of teaching and editing. I knew most of this, but your examples of leitmotif really opened up new possibilites for me. Who knew I could use the same melody for 4 different versions ~ Thats such a brilliant way of allowing more creativity when the melodies are not coming to me :3
I don't speak English very well, but having used FL STUDIO for so long and analyzing Toby Fox's music... YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE [ABAC] OF THE MELODIES!! (I had never noticed that before) Greetings from Argentina 🙋♂
I'm interested on this because i play the piano which is yamaha piano and writing my new ideas for the songs has been refreshing ever since, so i'm glad that i was able to watch this
Thanks to your video I learned about this composer jam and will participate in it with my music band!:) Band consists of three participants, so we pass by the terms of the jam :)
I'm none of those music guy or game dev. This video just appeared to me after i watched too many toby music work. Anyway, very great video even i know and learn almost NOTHING because i'm dumb. (It's weird when i learned nothing but this video still entertain me.)
5:23 I like them both immensely. The first is like a somber but hopeful melody, and the second is as if at the climax of an emotionally intense adventure, where the outcome was positive!
I've realised that how I explained melodies wasn't great, and could've been done much better.
Simpler, less complex melodies are often more memorable because they use familiar rhythms. That's why a lot of catchy melodies are usually quite simple. But my explanation implies that they are better than complex melodies. That's not true. There's no objective "good" or "bad" melody.
Complex melodies can be very creative and exciting, but they might take more time to stick with the listener because they're less familiar.
Simpler melodies tend to be more popular because they're easier to digest and recall. Complex melodies can sound amazing, but may require more focus to stick with the listener. There are no rules that say one is better than the other, and I apologise if I implied otherwise.
Nuh uh, music is objective!
@@Woog_Lord "tend to"
First question: Do you need a MIDI keyboard to make video game music/does it make it easier?
Second question: What the heck exactly isssss a midi keyboard??
@@tinypeople3940 You definitely don't need a MIDI keyboard to make video game music. It can make it easier, but only if you're willing to put some time into learning it.
A MIDI keyboard is just a piano-style digital keyboard that can be plugged into your computer.
Hi Zectro - that jam you linked by Lone Rabbit I happened to win in the category of "Correlation to Theme." :) I posted my song on a Valheim build I did on this channel.
I've started hosting my own jam series as well called Impressions. I need to link it to my channel. I am hosting a jam every month to keep it on a cadence, like actual training, expanding on different skills each month, but where the skills are top level and a lot of fun.
The compositions I've had for the jam I'm hosting are incredible. I'd love to see you pop around! :)
Making original music is the most fun hobby I've ever had. I've started 8 months ago and already made over 50 songs
That's great! I've started a lot of songs but have hardly finished any haha
definitely man I feel more free doing this rather than when I was doing performing arts
Remember, QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. Don't just bang em out,, take your time and make them shine.
@@growingoaks Spending the entire day or sometimes 2 for one song seems to be enough to make a decent one
I've been making music for a few months now.
I also have 50+ songs.
I've uploaded a few.
I don't have any fancy musical experience, I just mess around with notes until I find a good rhythm and melody.
personally i clicked on this video because i really fancy the creator
oh my gosh. we should like, stare into each others eyes
@@JustZectro😂
@@JustZectro 👀
everyone needs a motivation
Back off buckaroo, he's MINE!! 😡
5:00 bro said: „lemme show you an example“ and cooked up a whole new zelda song
lmaoo thank you! it's called "When The Beasts Meet" and it's out pretty much everywhere
"hopefully you chose melody A"
My brain cause ive learned music for 10+ years: sings melody B more than A cause it's more interesting LOL
joking aside though, melody A def is the way to go for someone starting out. Simple, memorable, and can be easily sung by anybody hearing it for the first time.
As someone still getting into composing, thank you so much for this video. Very helpful stuff here for getting started.
As the current owner of the Toby Fox sheet this was an incredibly informative video!! Composing is so much fun and I’m glad to see more guides on making tracks.
Oh that's so cool! I can't explain how useful the sheet has been haha. Thank you so much for the support!
4:57 i'm crying bro this is beautiful
Thank you! It’s on my music channel in the description if you want to listen to it. It’s called When The Beats Meet :)
I'm none of those people, I'm just interested in music
That’s great!
I clicked on the video bc I like to have tutorial videos and tips play in the background while I draw, and then I rewatch them when I want to extra learn, then the information is properly digested, I have so many sub conscious skills bc of this multi tasking style learning system lmao
i play ultrakill while listening to commentary video essays, so i learn a lot of random things subconsciously and remember some
Body doubling for the ADHD win!
@@frostthegrey ADHD TIMES 10
Finally someone how doesn't overcomplicate the subject with difficult words and provides a simple roadmap to get started for anyone who would mant to!
I've been trying to learn how to make music many times and always failed but I have a strong feeling that just following your video WILL make me complete my first song.
Thanks so much, I'll start first thing toworrow❤
Thank you so much! I like to try and keep things simple so that it's accessible to many people! I wish you best on making your song :)
Really cool video! One thing that I wanted to point out is how you explained melody using ABAC as an example of how to structure it could be confusing down the line for new composers. From my understanding, using A, B etc is usually used to categorize sections of a song, and not parts of a melody, so an A section is an 8 bar Melody that has your main melody, the B section is a different but complementary 8 bar melody etc!
While your explanation is great for a beginner, it could lead to confusion down the line if they want to learn more from other composers! What you ended up describing is usually called the Period form, Ryan Leach has a fantastic video explaining melodies using the period form! :)
Honestly the only thing different between videogame music and regular music (especially electronic music) is that it usually needs to loop seamlessly from the end of the tracks back to the beginning. The rest isn't exclusive to videogame music, such as using soundfonts and scene context
hmmm I'd say that it's a lot like film music, where music isn't created to fit a genre but to fit a certain feeling that corresponds to a scene/character
I think CDDA music in games that came out at its infancy (i.e. Sonic CD) might not have looped seamlessly (it's very audible in Sonic CD, in fact, and even worse in the Yuusei build).
What's funny is that most of this video is just music theory without the fancy terminology
The Undertale music made me feel so nostalgic
its only been 9 years
@@s1s1l1skofuck it’s been 9 years… am I old now
@@s1s1l1sko ITS BEEN 9 YEARS?
@@PearlescentMusic risk if rain 2 good game
@@s1s1l1sko yes
Wow this is an incredibly informative video. I've been wanting to make music for video games for a long time now and I didn't really know where to start. This video has helped me link a lot of things together now, thank you so much. I had no idea about the gamejams but they seem really fun!
That’s great to hear! I wish you the best
6:02 Toby Fox joined the chat
I appreciate a youtuber who responds to most of their comments.
Thank you! I try my best to respond to everyone
@@JustZectro You're welcome.
Thanks for all the information of where to find digital music creating tools.
never touched sound design and music compositing but this stuff is so interesting to watch
Im new to making video game music, so this video was a very good recommendation. I already knew most of the stuff since i kind of play the piano, but one thing that really helped me out was to start with the base line and then add chords! Very good vid, keep it up!
a fellow vsauce subscriber
8:42 Thank you for this! You just saved me countless of hours trying to make chords (i suck at doing chords) and this will come in handy so much! 🙏
Glad I could help!
I've been making music for a while now and this still help me.
I’m trying to make a game, all it need is music. This was really helpful, thanks bro.
Absolutely fantastic video! Great structure and explanations. Keep it up man :)
@@Tarro57 Thank you! I appreciate it
If you want a more advanced synth for a variety of genres, Vital is an industry-grade software synth that can create basically any synth sound you can think of. It does have a learning curve, though, but I've made entire songs exclusively with vital, including drums and every possible synth.
You could also use OpenMPT as a DAW, its a free sample-based tracker player with the ability to use soundfonts as well. and you can also use it to make songs that range from house, jungle, breakcore, or old amiga music. It's a bit unconventional, but it's free and powerful with the ability to use a bunch of neat effects that are hard to replicate in typical DAWs like FL Studio and Ableton.
I love the intro. Rules in music only matter if they fit with what’s in your head.
Crazy how I was just thinking about where to start with making vg music and then your video gets recommended to me. Loved it, I watched your video on making lofi a while back and that was super helpful!
I’m really trying to get into the creative process of music for video games and can’t wait for the songs to start flowing
First time I've heard about ABAC for video game melodies, this was very informative, thank you
I'm extremely grateful for videos like this, thank you so much!
"When the beasts meets" is a so a beautiful track (4:57)
Thank you!
Dude I can not tell you the jumpscare I got seeing the thumbnail. I worked on the game you used for Ludum Dare a while ago with some other Game Dev youtubers but it went so poorly and was pretty much unfinished. I didn't even think anyone had access to the game so seeing it in ur thumbnail was so jarring lmao
oh my god it's you! yeah me, you and barji worked on it. i was trying to figure out what to use for the thumbnail and i remember i had an old test video from when we were working on it, so i threw it in the thumbnail haha. it's so cool to see you here though!
4:57 lovely melody
i never knew about the world of music making for video games
thanks for showing me
That was a really, really good tip right at the end. Great video, I feel much more confident in how to go about this whole thing now
I don't even necessarily want to make music to be used in actual video games. I'm more the type of person to hear a cool video game soundtrack and wish to emulate its vibe, or perhaps hear a particularly good song and imagine remixing it into something even better. Although, I guess that is closer to video game music than regular music. huh.
Yeah, that's really cool! A good idea would be to try and recreate songs that you like. That way you learn how the song is structured so that you can apply it yourself
Learned a lot, and wow this video is nicely edited
Thank you!
i checked the crunchtime 03 results page and saw that your submission was one place above my own hahahah
great and informative video, imma keep an eye on what you do next. good luck with ost composing jam 7!
Oh that's so cool!
I remember I really loved your stuff from that jam. 'A Sterling Job!' and 'Hallowed Silver' were my favourites. easy 5 stars
Thank you for this video, I have added it to my “Very Good Stuff” playlist which is were I keep videos that I can learn from/study in the future
Thank you! I'm happy I could help :)
was looking forward to this video v v good job brother
thank you my goat 🐐
Thanks for the description of a Letmotif,I've been wanting to know what that was
Hoping this video will motivate me to get back into this stuff, as I have way more knowledge I've accumulated. I used to make terrible songs on the regular but life kinda gets in the way and I lost all motivation. Also I'll say I've sat through 100s of tutorials and this is by far one of the best, it's nice to see someone cover a lot of elements simply and succinctly in a way that's applicable. Now if only I could figure out how to properly mix and master
Man this video was so useful thanks a lot for all the explanations and links!!
I clicked on this video because I love creating digital music and am looking for tips on how to finally create an original song that sounds good and memorable. There were really good tips in this video, thank you!
very impressive. much better than every other version I found
Once again another amazing tutorial :). I’m planning to purchase audio cart in the coming days and I’m even more excited that it has your approval ^^
Thank you! You will also need Kontakt for super audio cart, but it's free don't worry :)
really solid vid! great tips :) definitely gonna look around for some game soundfonts to use
probably one of the best guides i have seen. thank you, it helped a lot!
Nice! I thought i was coming here for a “how to build your music to fit a game setting” so more on the technical side, like how to make a song knowing its going to be looped in some kind of way and how to adapt to many different types of implementation, but that was insightful as well. (For those who needed such advice) I stayed for the great editing and for how this approach makes me remember how simple music can be at its core! Lovely video! Glad i stayed around and learned about some music jams
I love BBC Symnphony Orchestra
Im primarily an artist but also extremely interested in making music too
Thus video was the best guide I've seen for a non musician like me
Much appreciated
DANKE SCHOONNNNNNNNN :D HELPED SO MUCH (also took a little inspo from melody a), and i use musecore instead of tools like fl studio, find it more fun
TH-cam recommended this video at the right time. I learned making house music and I am transitioning to making game music. Thank you Zetro!
I didn't know that sound fonts were a thing I could do, Thank you :)
I've honestly been looking for that, because my favorite artists use memorable sounds and I'd like to experiment with it.
I’ve been working on a game as a personal project. Since coding is all I’m good at, this helps a lot getting an idea what to focus on (like leitmotif)
The best ultimate introduction to game music. Thx.
I love listening the ost in video games but I wanted to know how they are made. I love condensed lessons and you give me answer to both of my demands. Thanks
I found the part about bass notes and emotions especially useful not only for video game music but music in general
As someone who already knows how to write music, I clicked this video because the idea of doing so was funny to me
extremely helpful vid, cheers. i'm surprised more people haven't seen this before
I’ve been writing music for a relatively short time, but I also just graduated with an associate’s in Music. My very first piece I wrote was performed by one of our student ensembles and I wrote my first big personal piece as a boss theme for a friend of mine.
Making music is a ton of fun and I’ve started learning to use FL Studio on top of MuseScore to make more complete pieces. I def wanna make writing for games and such my career and any tips, like the ones in this video, are helpful along the way!
So, to answer that question in the description-
I would absolutely love to see the process of how its done while making a song. This is definitely very helpful for anyone who wants to dip their toes into music, but I'd personally love to see what i'm setting myself up for through someone as skilled as you :)
I've learned quite some stuff from this video and actually feel like making music. I'll see where that takes me later on.
I wanted to know what all goes into a track. The only thing I know for sure is drums, bass, and like. Frontground music lmao
I love video game music so much! ❤
Aa summary at the end would be nice, so we could write it down or screenshot it
as a music producer, pretty interesting, well done
I remember when i saw your how to make lofi video a year ago. I named the song i made after you and i’ve been making music since.
That’s so cool thank you! I’m glad you’re still doing music
Marvelous! Very valuable tips !
i have been making vgm style music for over a year bow and its really fun!! i have a lot of songs made and quite a bit of my music is basic but i have also been remaking old songs
I can approve on what he said about learning chords, It is definitely worth it
If you only know the basic Majors and Minors it would be pretty hard for you to make variatons and different / specific feelings for you song
I found this video a day before the OST Composing Jam ends. Hopefully I can come up with something in that time.
5:33 I like melody b because i think it would be in a rpg horror game
i clicked on this video because tutorials like these are entertaining and i feel somehow productive while doing nothing
I actually watched this Video because I joined the same jam. I have always had a problem with coming up with melodies and this video did help with that. Thanks
Now this is a wonderful tutorial. As a music producer I can't appreciate enough the amount of stuff put into this video
Amazing video once again🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much!
both reasons don't fit me. I clicked on it because your videos are amazing and I have no doubt this will be helpful and awesome!
I hope you still manage to learn something. Thank you for the support!
Thx for opening up my scope for music makeing. If this video didnt exist i would not tryed the ostcomp 7 Jam
very useful video
Thank you!
Saw that jam a while ago, excited to participate!
Can’t wait to see you there!
How this video doesn't have a mil views yet. It has everything! 💜💜💜
love your way of teaching and editing. I knew most of this, but your examples of leitmotif really opened up new possibilites for me. Who knew I could use the same melody for 4 different versions ~ Thats such a brilliant way of allowing more creativity when the melodies are not coming to me :3
Thank you so much! Leitmotifs are very cool. You can use them in as many songs as you want, and it will always sound great!
Ugh I dread this but I'm needing at least some basic rhythm and sound effects for my game. You are absolutely saving my hide with this video btw.
I don't speak English very well, but having used FL STUDIO for so long and analyzing Toby Fox's music... YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE [ABAC] OF THE MELODIES!! (I had never noticed that before)
Greetings from Argentina 🙋♂
that chord player is op, i made an entire main menu loop out of it.
Please do make a full song walkthrough/tutorial! Amazing content!
I'm interested on this because i play the piano which is yamaha piano and writing my new ideas for the songs has been refreshing ever since, so i'm glad that i was able to watch this
Thanks to your video I learned about this composer jam and will participate in it with my music band!:)
Band consists of three participants, so we pass by the terms of the jam :)
Oh that's very cool! Can't wait to see you in the jam!
@@JustZectro By the way, I think we`ll be submiting under our band`s name Milestone Seven)
See you in the jam)
I actually clicked on this video without thinking about it, but I'll come back later when I'm not hungry and about to pass out cause that sounds fun
I'm none of those music guy or game dev.
This video just appeared to me after i watched too many toby music work.
Anyway, very great video even i know and learn almost NOTHING because i'm dumb.
(It's weird when i learned nothing but this video still entertain me.)
Very good video! It was amazing :)
Thank you!
5:23 I like them both immensely.
The first is like a somber but hopeful melody, and the second is as if at the climax of an emotionally intense adventure, where the outcome was positive!
Love your videos, some good tips in here.
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it
Just saw you on my fyp, very very underrated
1:30 i'd also recommend getting a tracker like furnace tracker
Thanks so much! Lots of useful information and resources. Good luck on the soundtrack jam! (Assuming it didn't happen yet lol)
huge resource. bookmarked thanks
0:50 i somehow noticed that there was no kerning between the "A" and the "W," i cant unsee it now 😭🙏
At 04:58, I got chills down my spine...