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I think it's just like you said. They can work, but ONLY in the right hands, and even then, some offroad tracks will be strictly off-limits to these bikes. I watched some dirt bike contents recently and saw things I wouldn't want my Tiger 1200 to ever see.
They are definitely far too heavy for off road use even if I am a tall and rather big guy. I only use mine for road travel and maybe a bit of gravel every now and then. It is fantastic however for long travel!
I recently got a lowered version and feel like it rides great off-road but don’t have sand here. It’s not good going down hill in any conditions with all that weight otherwise feels surprisingly good. Is that suit hot? I’m looking to get one but it’s hot as hell where I live in the south.
This guy dropped his personal motorcycle for your education people. TWICE!! No one else would do that. Even the ones that get FREE motorcycles on their channel. they treat them like a baby and garage them. It's a motorcycle meant to be used for or its intended purpose. You're the real deal man and we appreciate your efforts!
I'm still riding my r1150GS from 2002. Actually I'm in Alaska having rode it from los Angeles last week. I can't believe how comfortable I've been, even over the roughest roads. It's an incredible bike. I've been contemplating upgrading to a newer bike like the 1250, but can't seem to let this old beaten GS go! I'll be at 80k miles when I get back to California. It's been such a pleasure and every morning I can't wait to get on it
Keep the 1150. 80k miles is only half broken in. You won’t get enough money for it to put toward a worthy replacement or “upgrade”. This is coming from someone who just bought a Brand Spankin 1250 GSA. I just wanted something from new that I can put 200k on with minor maintenance and actually easy to work on myself. If they still offered something as simple as the 1150, I would have bought that instead.
I totally agree. I have a 2007 GS and while the new bikes are awesome, you can do the same things on a way more simple and possibly reliable air cooled older model.
Ian, dropping the bike not once but twice on purpose, holy buckets! Your reviews are the most complete and comprehensive on the web. Thank you for all you do!
Okay, I'll come clean...I'm a "Starbucks" GS owner. Never take mine off-road. Love the looks, highway cruising manners, top loading luggage, crash protection and ability to go down a country gravel road without damaging the pretty plastic bodywork on an RT. I've owned several GS/GSA's, in addition to a 2017 R1200RT. Much prefer the GS as a touring motorcycle, compared to my R1200RT. Couldn't wait to get rid of the RT, and go back to a GS. I realize the GSA is simply a GS with a big gas tank and OEM crash bars, but I never cared for my 2019 R1250GSA. It just felt too big to me. I'm back on a '23 R1250GS and couldn't be happier! Also have a fantastic '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro. Great bike, and indeed a bit lighter, but it just "ain't" a GS. Something about the way the Germans have refined the GS that's hard to describe. Similar to how Porsche has refined the Porsche 911 over the years. As always, great review Ian. Keep up the good work young man. At just shy of 72 years old, is it okay to call you "young man?" :) :) :)
Hi Ian, I think you captured perfectly the nature of GS1250. I have a 2021 R1250GS Adventure, and I totally agree that it's too big and heavy for serious off road use. Even with 52 years of riding experience, and background racing motocross, and riding single-track trails, etc., I find the big GSA scary as h*ll to ride in deep sand or gravel, as the front end has a mind of its own and can quickly get away from you and throw you on the ground. I'm 5'9" in height and that's just barely tall enough to get both feet on the ground, and that's on the balls of my feet, not flat footed, which makes it dicey when trying to dab a foot down off road. Not confidence inspiring when going through tricky off-road sections. It always surprises me that the GSA does as well as it does off-road, just as long as the conditions aren't too challenging. When it comes to road touring, with occasional forays onto hard packed dirt or gravel roads, the big GSA is hard to beat. The extra gas tank capacity is really handy for being able to get into some truly remote locations without having to worry about the next fuel stop. Heated seat and grips are great for cold weather, and I love the various riding modes, traction control, anti-lock braking, and all the other cool features of the BMW. I've found my GSA to be reliable and a ton of fun to ride. I'm really curious about the 2024 BMW R1300GS, and knowing BMW it'll be even better than the R1250GS. Tempting. Cheers, Jeff
GS if you want to go off-road, lighter and lower. GSA for the ultimate comfort, wind protection and road presence. I just completed a 1500mile round solo ride and the GSA was a champ.
This 2020 model is one of the best looking of all the GS and GSA machines you've shown us. Your earlier history video with comparisons of all modern GSs is the bible for GS fans! I'm personally looking forward to the release of the 1300 model because (I hope) some great buys on used 2020+ 1250s will come on the market. Thanks for another inspiring "ride along" on a GS.
Personally, I love the thing. It really does everything well, for me anyway, except technical and single track terrain for which I have a 350 Husky. I’m always amazed how it simply plows through rocky washes that would have my DS deflecting and bouncing. The biggest PITA is changing tires back and forth from street to knobs. Mine is a std GS btw & I have a 30” inseam.
I had a 1100 GS, I just never fell in love with it. It just felt way too heavy. I went to a Super Tenere 1200, and for some reason it just feels better. I'm not sure if its the suspension, the engine or seat height. It feels a lot more stable. Boring as hell, but just stable. I can ride it a lot harder off road than I could the BMW. I've dropped both bikes a couple times. The Super Tenere is easier for me to pick up. It might be that I decided to start working out more after getting into heavier bikes though. Or I learned a better technique for picking them up. The GS does have an advantage with the boxer engine sticking out on each side with the crash bars. I have crash bars on my Super Tenere, so it doesn't go over as far as it could without them. Good review. LIke your channel a lot.
I owned 2 BMs before and one thing that stands out is their Dealer Support although pricey. It was the nicest when I got stranded in the Karoo desert with a failed battery and I could call a recovery team who raced out to meet me in under 3 hours. I'm not a fan of the big GS machines though. They are too big, but nice to look at. I miss the F650GS Dakar. I really enjoyed touring with it.
I agree, for me the dealer support network worldwide is an important factor when choosing a bike. BMW’s is not cheap but its reach and service quality is second to none.
Great channel but I disagree with your opinion about bar risers and off-road. 1st you have your bars rotated way back towards you and the bars are low, look at the kink at the wrist when you’re standing, when off road you can’t run your bars in the same position as you do while sitting for on road use. i have a 22 gsa with 1 inch up and 3/4 inch back, when I’m doing off-road i rotate the bars up so while standing you have a nice straight line from the Elbow to the hand, Also standing and gripping the bike with the knees make a 100% improvement, i Never sit off-road. Sand, no issues, lean back and rpm is your friend, you’re having issue because your loading the front of the bike because of body position and your not using your Kees to grip the bike
Great points but I still have PTSD from all the sand I rode my 2017GS on in the Utah BDR. Many painful falls. When you're far away from help, it's tough to just open the throttle, lean back, and hope the elephant stays upright but, I guess, that's the best way.
@@gmoneymac23 ..true, it’s not a true off road bike and wasn’t designed to be, anytime you ride a “dual” sport or adv bike you have to compromise something but with some adjustments and proper body position, it can be made to work a lot better, his bar position/height etc is not conducive for the conditions he’s riding and like most, I don’t think he’s informed by his comments. Not bashing him at all, I do enjoy his channel
Holy shit you have some serious skills. I was already on the edge of my seat when you were going 60mph over a sand path, but then the sand... Very impressive riding. Good review as always and nice to learn a thing or two about off road riding during it
I had a K1300S Motorsports when I bought the 2022 R1250 GSA to do longer trips. The K bike is a soul stirring missile good for maybe 2 days of riding for me at 6’3”. The GSA is a better traveling companion in every way. Surprisingly powerful, great suspension and electronic aids, lots of room and storage. I only ride on paved roads and fire roads……so I can’t comment on single track or sand etc…. The weight disappears after two mph but if you drop it you are going to feel it. The K is the single best bike I have owned if I am riding relatively close to home. Anything longer than that……the GSA is King.
Hey Ian, like you, I've had the range of GS offerings. I currently have a '22 GS that I have completed about 8k miles of off-road riding on (CO, UT, WY, NM, OAT, Baja and AR backroads TAT). I have to agree with you completely. The bike is capable and great in 80% of the situations I have taken it through.... Sand being its biggest achenes heal. My most challenging accomplishment on the GS was taking it up and over Black Bear Pass in CO, although doable, it was so heavy on that loose rocky shale. I am going to keep the GS for my Adv touring, but as you know, I picked up a Tuareg 660 for my more dedicated off road ADV riding adventures (BDRs, round 2 of Baja, etc).
I've had several GS's over the years and really thought I'd get another one but ended up going with a Suzuki GSX-S100GT for more on-road performance AND the new V-Strom 800DE for a little more off-road performance. Both bikes new together are still a little less $$ than a loaded GSA. If I had to have one bike its the GS.....
Love my GSA as a primarily road touring bike, with the ability to go slightly off road, but that's it for me. I like this drivetrain so much (except for the quick shifter - I use the clutch) that I'd like to add an RT before they switch over to the 1300. Great balanced review 👍
I have a well used 1200 GS. It fit my budget. Works for me. Got it serviced. Changed the tires. Rode till the road ended. Turned round and came back. 3 weeks later. Due another service. Its mostly a road bike, I still got it pretty dirty. Yup if I really wanted to do a lot of off road its to big and heavy.
Feel the same way about the sand on my 1250. I dread it and mud. Have literally no confidence in it and try to avoid it all costs, which you shouldn't have to do on an adventure bike, however, while it's a huge PITA, i just adore my 1250gs. Every bike lacks somewhere. You did really well through the sand though! Lets not kid ourselves either Ian, if you sell this bike you know you'll just get another GS later. :) Love the content!
For the average adventure rider, the big GS has the perfect balance of attributes in every conceivable way. Many find this level of perfection a little boring, which is completely understandable, and thus they’ll get a second bike that specialises in whatever the one thing is they do most, whether commuting, dirt or track days… But for everything else, you simply can’t beat a big GS if you have the money and willing to spend it on a motorbike, the physical stature and the experience in my opinion based on my experience.
Many GS buyers would be really happy on an RT. But, just like there are mall-crawling Jeep Wranglers.. there are GS's on the road when an RT would be superior.
Okay, I'll come clean...I'm a "Starbucks" GS owner. Never take mine off-road. Love the looks, highway cruising manners, top loading luggage, crash protection and ability to go down a country gravel road without damaging the pretty plastic bodywork on an RT. I've owned several GS/GSA's, in addition to a 2017 R1200RT. Much prefer the GS as a touring motorcycle, compared to my R1200RT. Couldn't wait to get rid of the RT, and go back to a GS. I realize the GSA is simply a GS with a big gas tank and OEM crash bars, but I never cared for my 2019 R1250GSA. It just felt too big to me. I'm back on a '23 R1250GS and couldn't be happier! Also have a fantastic '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro. Great bike, and indeed a bit lighter, bit it just "ain't" a GS. Something about the way the Germans have refined the GS that's hard to describe. Similar to how Porsche has refined the Porsche 911 over the years. As always, great review Ian. Keep up the good work young man. At just shy of 72 years old, is it okay to call you "young man?" :) :) :)
Another awesome review!! I think if I was going to have two bikes in my stable I would definitely have that bike and a lightweight dual sport. That way you are covered for every situation. ✌️
The GS is a touring bike with a little offroad, but the thing is that it shields you from elements. Nothing like going in a cold, humid day. Its terrible in any bike, not in the 1200. Its like being in a car, but you are in a bike. Last month in a trip to the mountains I was almost 4000m high and just 2C temperature, and it was great. Just a little cold (and I had a summer jacket!)
I love your giddy laugh when you crank it, that is what motorcycle riding is about! The only thing that worries me about the GS is the cost of servicing it. Our dealer closed up shop and left so maybe that is a good thing for the independent shops. Great overall review.
I just spent the month of July on a 2017 Africa Twin. A hair under 10k miles from NH to Nashville then up to SD, Yellowstone Idaho Washington and back. Saw 3 other AT's. A bazillion Harleys and GS bikes of various years and models. Lots of Triumphs. I sold my 2012 GS before I left. Wanted to stop at the SD Rally on way back but no option for 1 day ticket. Buying another GS.
I am grateful that I can watch this kind of contents free of cost, so happy that u r going to purchase r 1300. You are the best motorcycle auto journalist in my knowledge and u r much better than famous auto journal magazine. Highly appreciate your effort and PASSION for this. You are so good on what you are doing. I am waiting for the v Strom off road review - u know why, for everyone one else it is a gravel bike and I don't think so. The transalp also, I am curious about your off road review about it.
Ian, one of your best overall reviews. I cringed a bit when you dropped the bike intentionally. A reaction that comes naturally whenever a bike lays down. I've dropped a few over the last forty years and have had to pick them up and the easiest was the BMW Boxer due to it not lying flat on the ground.
Personally, I would be very impressed if that new bike you said you were buying was the V-Strom 800DE. I was thinking of returning to the KLR 650 and then you described that Suzuki as being like the KLR but with more power. I would like to hear more on that!
I've owned every motorcycle in 61 yrs and the BMW GS Adventure is my choice and I agree it's more road oriented but none of the other brands even come close to the GS imo.
After a while of test riding and throwing my leg over 10's of bikes, I ended on a '16 r1200GSA, which I actively avoided because just looking at it I thought I wouldn't fit (5'9) and it seems like everyone just eventually ends up owning a GS. I wanted to be different. Toureg,Tiger,multistrada,Norden, all too tall. Surprisingly I fit the GS great, and got even better dialed after the addition to a Corbin and bar risers that pulled back a bit. I've logged an IronButt Saddlesore and will continue to put tons of miles on this thing. I love it! Also one of the easiest bikes I've ever worked on. Sometimes theres a reason why things are popular...
'Serious off-road use' means 4 wheel or track drive (not one-wheel drive), such as on a Honda 520 Rubicon or Fort Mac Mudd-Ox. For bike conditions, this BMW is great.
Great final thoughts! Totally agree with you 100%. I have a F850 which, for me is the right balance. Cheers. Enjoy riding out there and love your channel!
I rode the Alpine Loop in Colorado with my dad and uncle. My dad and I were on XR650Ls and my uncle was on a R1200GS and he was in his mid fifties I think. I watched him pick that big bike up more than a few times, on the side of a mountain around timberline elevation. Either this bike is not as bad to pick up as it seems, or he's a badass lol!
I think that the wonder-wheel and screen are outdated. I canceled a reservation on a GS and went for a full option Africa Twin AS with 5 years warranty, dct, Apple CarPlay. A true gs-competitor… 💪
Love your reviews Ian. I have a 2021 GS Rallye. I agree with all of your assessments and my only complaint is the quick shifter. I would simply like a switch to turn it off. I find it even gets in the way when I’m not using it. I often end up with rough shifts that I would like. The engine is fabulous. Stability and comfort fantastic and it is so easy to ride. Thanks for this one.
Very good review and great highlights of the GS. Have a 2018 GSA, and it is amazing how much this bike offers. Have had the original Anakee IIIs, to Trail Max Mission tires (great tire on road and dirt, mud not so much) switched to Anakee Wilds, totally transformed the bike off road. Yes it is heavy, but once moving it is light on its feet! When slow speeds adjust the suspension to MIN, great for city stop and go or parking lot speeds. When I drop it so much easier to pick up vs the lay flat of its competitors, so many times pu’d myself and other riders seem surprised how easily it gets back on her feet. I got the GSA mainly for on road protection…have ridden many different bikes, nothing out there offers the balance the GS boxer does. If was riding mainly off road, yes a Tenere or 701 Husqvarna …thank you for the “real” reviews!
Ian, another excellent video. Before I purchased my GSA (new) in March '23 I'd watched all of your videos and pretty much decided it would never go off road due to its size. Now some would say what did you buy it for then? Simple - I just love its looks and engineering. In June, did a round trip of 4000miles from Yorkshire (UK) to Tetouan (Morroco). The bike was truly amazing and its purchase justified to family and friends. Keep the videos coming on any and all topics - bikes, gear and whatever. Many Thanks for advice and objective opinions. Regards, Martin
Big adv bikes are too heavy for serious off road, otherwise we need to be Chris birch. In my experience, well I am not that experienced - big bikes drain our energy pretty quickly while doing serious off road like a path filled with a lot of big stones. It is extremely difficult and u need to have incredible physique to do so
6:28 true it’s an advantage but also a disadvantage. I’ve seen more than a few bmw bikes like this crack the cylinder head when they hit a rock falling over like this. Not every time it will be a flat surface. If the rock gets through the engine guard just in the right spot, the cylinder head will need a new cover. Regardless to this day the GS is my fav bike ever
I love your videos. I believe I’m wanting the 1250gs adventure for sure. I reallly want a long range king on road. I love the bells and whistles and love a good fit and finish anything really. Every now and then I’ll take the bike off-road but not too much. I’d say mostly gravel and hard pack sand and road. I want mostly a refined comfy long road bike.
I'm not looking at buying this bike but I love your fair dinkum reviews really really easy to follow along without a vested interest to skew your opinion. On a different topic can you create a vid of places you would love to ride around the world. Get down here to Oz some great adventures here waiting for ya.
I agree. I have tried to like this latest RGS platform, having had an ‘07 many years ago when it was a much more lithe bike, in my opinion. But I never gelled with the ‘07, for whatever reasons. Knowing that it is an amazing package, I test rode a ‘22 RGS but wanted off very soon, after having recently tested a Versys 1000. I won’t take a full-size bike off pavement again on anything other than short stretches of graded gravel, so I went with the big Versys, which is better in every way for me on pavement. I use a Himalayan for rough/slow roads. I’ve tried to like the full-size 19-inch front bikes, but I just can’t. Midsize 21-inch front platforms (inc. the AT) with conventional fork suspension would likely be where I’d look if I were getting another “big” ADV. 21s are just too good in the rougher situations.
You do some good reviews, I like watching them all even if I don't intend to buy any of the bikes. However I am considering a 1250GSA or GS, I find going from a bigger engine to a smaller engine (to a Tenere in this case) I really miss the power of the bigger engine. However I'm gonna do a little soapbox here on the quickshifter. Most people complain at it being clunky and choppy and that's because it was never intended to be used at low RPMs. The QS in all bikes is just a very clever "cut the ignition / gas for X/ms so we relieve the pressure currently on the gears so we can shift gears"-electroics thing. So it's really intended for fast acceleration and upshifts meaning you should be relatively high in the rev-range for it to work smoothly. As for the downshifts, or blipper, you want to be lower in the RPMs for it be smooth. Having owned a couple of bikes, both the MT09 and MT10 SP models as well as some bikes without QS I learned about the clutchless shifting and while I'm no master I can certainly figure out from riding a bike when I can upshift or downshift without using the clutch. Same principle applies only with the QS you can just nail the gas and go up. I never ever used it for 1-2 shifting because you have the dead-space of Neutral in between. For true seamless up and down shifts you probably need a "seamless gearbox" but afaik that's only available at the highest racing level, like MotoGP. I could be wrong there though - and my point really is: don't treat the QS as a ticket to shift up and/or down (if you have a blipper) whenever you feel like it, because that's not really what it's good at. And I'm sure BMWs auto-shift-assist thing is not a regular QS that most other bikes have, but it sure sounds like it should be treated as one. :) You can all disagree with me that's fine, but if you have clunky upshifts you're simply too low in the rev range. would you go 2-3-4-5 if you where doing it manually and still keeping it under 4k rpm? If not then don't do it with a QS. :) Again great video, thanks for putting so much time in to them.
When you're hard on the gas is really the best time to use them anyway, way faster than pulling the clutch in to shift, and manually shifting can occasionally upset the bike if you mess it up, or miss a gear, or dump the clutch too soon, etc. Using the clutch is a perfectly normal part of riding a motorcycle, makes sense to be very proficient at it. Up and down quickshifters are still so fun though.
i agree, in the hands of all but the most pro level riders, cough Brett Tkacs cough, the gs and especially the gsa is just too big for serious off road. For me personally, i don't have the skill or the wallet to be taking my gs very far off pavement. I'm completely fine with that, it still gets me everywhere i want to go in comfort, has never let me on the side of the road, and frankly i find the diy maintenance ease of the gs to be a bonus that's rarely talked about.
There are several reasons why the middle weight ADV market is exploding while the over 1000cc ADV segment is dying…….first and foremost $30k+ for a 1250 is obscene…second is the weight @600lbs….as for options, good luck finding a “stripper” because 99.9999% of dealer inventory has every factory bell and whistle as standard…..and even “loaded” the GS/GSA do not include aluminum hard cases…that’s and extra @$2500+ A more accurate ‘test’ of a ADV bike is how well it handles single track….since that’s how the majority, regardless of brand, are marketed…The reality is they are meant for highway droning more than anything else…like a Goldwing After a extended demo test of the ,cough cough , CFMOTO Ibex 800T….. I was completely impressed… loaded for under $13k ..and for perspective my current stable consists of : 2013 GSA, 2014 R9T, 1994 Ducati 888SPO LTD, 2016 Aprilia RSV4(race) 2015 KTM 300XCW(race) and a 2023 KTM 300XC(race)… As usual Ian, your evals are spot on, honest and well informed…
Hi Ian, great spot on review. I am on my second GS, I had a 2017 R1200GS Rallye which was fantastic and I now have a GSA Rallye which is awesome. The way I would describe the GS is it does everything well but nothing brilliantly. Actually it is brilliant at being an all rounder. I quite often use it just as a quick personal transporter to get through heavy traffic and I quite often take my wife as a pillion with all the luggage on for anything between a day and a week on tour. I have been tempted on several occasions by the new Honda Goldwing (2019 onwards) which I think would be the ultimate 2 up luxury tourer. The GS is not the most relaxing ride. I am not in the luxury position of being able to keep the GS and buy a Goldwing as well. My question is, do you think I would miss the GS and it’s convenience as an all rounder?
GW does one thing very good, but personally I would be missing the lower weight, the low speed maneuverability, the capability of dropping from a curb, the light off road attitude. I don’t see the GW as a city commuter, the GS also isn’t but it’s more at ease in the city than the GW If the main thing you’re doing is long distance road touring the GW should be better even than the K1600, but as you said it’s not an all rounder
Quickshifter is ok until 4k revs max. And then clunky and sometimes failing when attacking too hard. It works but is made for easy cruising. Down from 6 to 3 it works good.
AGREED, it’s the best bike in it’s class and the world probably. I can put a finger on the reason for this fact. The specific Boxer twin and Cardan shaft combo, weight low down in a beautifully designed frame make it the best overall setup 😊. Now some bikes have gotten really close, like the KTM Adv and Husky Norden 901, especially Expedition model. Those tanks slang low down hugging the great compact KTM LC8c twin make for a very similar setup. Low centre of gravity is everything on motorbikes. This is exactly why no other bikes, no matter how good don’t really come close to this perfect balance. Like the Multistrada V4 s or the Desert X, Triumph Tiger, Honda AT. All very good adv bikes but the balance can’t be beat without the weight low down, plus drive shaft combo on the BMW is superior to everything else. I didn’t find the quick shift clunky at all, just how BMW makes its gearboxes. Maybe a bit more feel to klick in to gear than the QS on something like the Husky Norden or KTM Adv . Which have the best QS on the market. But it’s still very precise and positive also quick enough. This is just always been the BMW way of making gearboxes, but it never misses a gear or has false neutrals like Ducati.
@@steelrolex actually my brother in law just bought a NCX 750 with dct so I will test very soon. However I am not a fan of automatic or semiautomatic motorbikes. Even though a QS can be considered a semiautomatic. But I need to shift with my foot. Just the feeling it gives me. But even geared adv bikes today have up hill assist. Also I always prefer German or Austrian bikes. I will buy the Husky Norden 901 Exp next spring most likely. Cars as well always buy German exclusively, just how I am.
Yes, I agree from the beginning I couldn’t understand the point with DCT, but nowadays a think it is like a have automatic gearboxes in my cars for many years. The Goldwings have if you want it ,a foot shifter 🤔
I am going to buy a ADV soon. Please do a comparison between the KTM 1290 SAS and the BMW R 1250 GSA. I don't trust any other bike review out there as much as I do of yours!
Here where I live, the Tiger Rally Pro 1200 is by far the least expensive bike of your list. Does this mean it is the best choice for us here? Great video as always, Ian.
Thumps up for the just the double drop 😊. I have 2021 gs1250 adv and I love it for every penny i paid. I mainly ride on long distances, paved roads with a very very light off road situations, like good proper dirt roads. So why i do not get a big sport touring bike like RT or RS 1250 ? There are certain reasons; 1- The balance of the riding comfort and handling is unique. There are of course better handling adv bikes, but with a little trade off from the dynamic handling, i think gs adv provides utmost suspension comfort for a motorcycle even comparing to RT1250 or bigger touring bikes (becouse of longer susp travel). Some situations, its suspension is even comfortable than a luxury SUV. Yet it still handles the cury road with very very respectable handling performance, especially with more tarmac oriented tyres. And also powerful brake performance adds additiona dynamism as well. 2- As you showed, it is a very rugged bike. And also there are some many aftermarket protection parts available for every inch of the bike, you definitly escape from most of the drops with no or very little damage, considering the size and weight of the bike. You cannot say this for other heavy sport touring bikes. They are not designed that way and protection wise you have very limited after market options. And let’s face it, it is going to drop :-) sooner or later. 3- Although it’s a very tall bike, it has advantages of very good leg room with very comfortable seating position which is some thing you cannot get with lower sports touring bikes. 4-I am do not ride offroad with GS. For me it is too heavy and expensive to ride offroad. I know lot of people who has experience, talent and courage could ride it amazingly, I would not try. Yet GS gives you ease of mind when you are traveling long distances with unknown roads that would get little rough or unpaved. For those reasons above i will not go for a sports touring bike instead of GSA and I am waiting eagerly for next GSA. If they would add little more performance, top speed, bring radar and better connectivity options and allow more suspension adjustments on esa, i think it will be perfect.
For my purposes I want the big heavy bikes as I will mostly be doing road touring with only light to moderate off road. So I am trying to decide between the GSA, The multistrada V4, the desertX, the 1290 Super Adventure, the Triumph Tiger 1200, Africa Twin, and the Pan America. Well for ADV's anyways, also looking a touring bikes from BMW, Honda, HD, & Indian and sport touring from BMW, KTM, Motoguzi too. And I am also looking maybe at some of the midrange adv too. I am spoiled for choice really, but I can only have one.
Only thing I can say to you: You only come so far reading about bikes and watching reviews... The real answers comes when you test ride a bike. So from dealer network, your own preferences, price and costs, seat height and so on - you can maybe narrow down to three or four bikes. Then try them out and feel for yourself. To your list I can add Suzuki V-strom 1050 if it is available in your country. I haven't tried out this bike myself yet, but it falls into your frame of bikes to choose between.....
Drove one for a few minutes. Its handling reminded me a bit of the V85TT but the quickshifter is years behind those from Triumph and most likely KTM. Speaking of KTM, did you have the chance to try a SAR?
I understand Ian have tried to get his hands om a KTM 1290 SA R/S but KTM hasn't so far responded to him?! Hopefully KTM dealer close enough to him will come around and make it possible... Cant imagine why KTM still doesn't take the chance of this free exposure, considering the quality Ian has of the reviews.
My experience with the 2023 GS 3 year vs 1 year warranty $5K more than AT, but almost the same price with options: Factory 2" Lower option, suspension raises and lowers w/button press, Steering damper, Heated Seats, Pannier racks, Quick shifter, Heated grips, tpm, cruise control Lower center of gravity Boxer engines are bulletproof - 150K miles BMW prices will increase 10% in 2024 This is the last model year for the 1250, i.e. most reliable Shaft drive = no oil mess Same weight as AT DCT 33 more hp, 29 more ftlb No brake dive Torx fasteners Panels remove easily, unlike AT Beautiful titanium engine guards available! Goodness! The mechanical engineering is artwork Higher quality materials GS issues: Needs premium fuel Sounds like a tractor Wheel spoke maintenance every oil change Annoying display Grip/seat heater button hard to reach Hand guards weak, direct flow in my face Kickstand awkward Keyless gas cap finicky Standard headlight not LED GPS mount blocks the display and is complicated
I sold mine after a few months, at a loss, just not my kind of bike, after the RT1150, and then the RT1200, then the GT1600, I got what I rate as the best bike suited for me of-course the RT1250, not better than the GT1600 but lighter, easier to handle in the garage, but I am sure it is horses for courses.
I bought a 2023 GSA model, same color. I sold it in 2 months. GSA is a horror. In addition to its height and weight, every movement or stop is a stress test, it will not fall. The weight distribution is medium, not the bottom, the boxer motor is high, the 30l tank is even higher and half the weight of the car is ears. ESA is like swimming at sea, you never know what's under the wheel, it hides all the information....Mostly 3/10. It's an engine for the neighborhood for the neighbors to see, everything else is torture. With equipment and a passenger, it is as heavy as a car and drives like that
Had the same model but a 2019 and now I have a Trophy GSA 2023 model. Their totally different in my opinion. The GS you can throw it like a rag doll in every road you ride it on have you got the skill. The GSA is a Caddy to do everything as the GS but at a very slower pace. I bought it cause mostly of the range and because of the 1300 coming with the stupid Adaptive cruise control bs that no one really needs out in the nature unless you’re chasing a wild horse or a deer🤣🤣🤣 Beautiful bikes nonetheless and can see myself buying anything else on this segment
@@MRGS48 I live near Germany, I have years and experience. What the Germans have been doing for the last 20 years is selling accessories, not vehicles. The vehicles are by the way because the technology is from the 90s, but they put screens, a mountain of unnecessary functions that can only break and leave you on the road. A motorcycle must be simple, practical and reliable, that's why I think that the German industry will have to learn from the Japanese for a long time. Nobody serious will take an engine like the BMW GSA on parve adventure routes, because any failure of related accessories means the end of the adventure
@@LG-th8xt ohh I hear ya 100% on that one and agree. I think the best bike right now in the market one can buy is the Vstrom 800 DE but the KLR can do the same. Some people do the same stuff pros do on a Vespa 200 cc🤣🤣
Interesting that turn signals were incandecent on US models (not sure if this is by choice), but in Costa Rica all BMWs I've seen came standard with LEDs since about 2010 (both my 2011 F800GS and 2016 R1200GS have LEDs from factory). Always found that strange. As always great video Ian, I love that color scheme and I hope I can upgrade to one of those HP models.
yeh, it is odd. In the UK, the indicators have been led for many years, including on the 1200. Also, to be strict (possibly pedantic), the adaptive light cam on in model year 21, which means that there are 2020 bikes out there with adaptive lights, heat seating etc.
Great video. Always honest. One question. Why did you get the bike set up so high you can’t put both your feet down ? Seems difficult to handle. Just curious !
Hello may I congratulate you on yet another excellent informative video I really like watching your shows, however one thing puzzles me and that is that you never mention Harley-Davidsons RA Pan America 1250 Special is there a reason for this glaring and obvious exclusion?
The 12xxGS is a good example of how good the BMW marketing is are compared to the buyers ability to find a bike that fits their needs and technical skill set😂😂
While most owners will agree the GS is AMAZING on the road, do you agree with me that these full-size ADV bikes are just too heavy for serious off road use? Sound off below. Stay tuned for my accessories and mods video coming this Thursday.
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Are the Motoz worth putting on the GSA? Thoughts? Thanks for another great video Ian
I think it's just like you said. They can work, but ONLY in the right hands, and even then, some offroad tracks will be strictly off-limits to these bikes. I watched some dirt bike contents recently and saw things I wouldn't want my Tiger 1200 to ever see.
They are definitely far too heavy for off road use even if I am a tall and rather big guy. I only use mine for road travel and maybe a bit of gravel every now and then. It is fantastic however for long travel!
@@arnarne it’s the Harley of Off road and touring combined for sure hahah
I recently got a lowered version and feel like it rides great off-road but don’t have sand here. It’s not good going down hill in any conditions with all that weight otherwise feels surprisingly good. Is that suit hot? I’m looking to get one but it’s hot as hell where I live in the south.
This guy dropped his personal motorcycle for your education people. TWICE!! No one else would do that. Even the ones that get FREE motorcycles on their channel. they treat them like a baby and garage them. It's a motorcycle meant to be used for or its intended purpose.
You're the real deal man and we appreciate your efforts!
Agree I would say a Africa twin is the limit,GSA for good sand roads etc yes
There is nothing wrong with looking after somthing you have worked hard for and saved your money for ,
@@bertyboy7126 I agree fully. That's why it's amazing he dropped his personal for us. Ian clearly works hard and cares about his bikes.
I'm still riding my r1150GS from 2002. Actually I'm in Alaska having rode it from los Angeles last week. I can't believe how comfortable I've been, even over the roughest roads. It's an incredible bike. I've been contemplating upgrading to a newer bike like the 1250, but can't seem to let this old beaten GS go! I'll be at 80k miles when I get back to California. It's been such a pleasure and every morning I can't wait to get on it
You Sir are the legend, not the bike.
You are doing this right.
Keep the 1150. 80k miles is only half broken in. You won’t get enough money for it to put toward a worthy replacement or “upgrade”. This is coming from someone who just bought a Brand Spankin 1250 GSA. I just wanted something from new that I can put 200k on with minor maintenance and actually easy to work on myself. If they still offered something as simple as the 1150, I would have bought that instead.
I totally agree. I have a 2007 GS and while the new bikes are awesome, you can do the same things on a way more simple and possibly reliable air cooled older model.
I have 2 R1150 RS both great bikes
Ian, dropping the bike not once but twice on purpose, holy buckets! Your reviews are the most complete and comprehensive on the web. Thank you for all you do!
Okay, I'll come clean...I'm a "Starbucks" GS owner. Never take mine off-road. Love the looks, highway cruising manners, top loading luggage, crash protection and ability to go down a country gravel road without damaging the pretty plastic bodywork on an RT. I've owned several GS/GSA's, in addition to a 2017 R1200RT. Much prefer the GS as a touring motorcycle, compared to my R1200RT. Couldn't wait to get rid of the RT, and go back to a GS. I realize the GSA is simply a GS with a big gas tank and OEM crash bars, but I never cared for my 2019 R1250GSA. It just felt too big to me. I'm back on a '23 R1250GS and couldn't be happier! Also have a fantastic '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro. Great bike, and indeed a bit lighter, but it just "ain't" a GS. Something about the way the Germans have refined the GS that's hard to describe. Similar to how Porsche has refined the Porsche 911 over the years. As always, great review Ian. Keep up the good work young man. At just shy of 72 years old, is it okay to call you "young man?" :) :) :)
Just the kind of seller of a GS that I'm looking for.
Nothing wrong with that
Hi Ian, I think you captured perfectly the nature of GS1250.
I have a 2021 R1250GS Adventure, and I totally agree that it's too big and heavy for serious off road use. Even with 52 years of riding experience, and background racing motocross, and riding single-track trails, etc., I find the big GSA scary as h*ll to ride in deep sand or gravel, as the front end has a mind of its own and can quickly get away from you and throw you on the ground. I'm 5'9" in height and that's just barely tall enough to get both feet on the ground, and that's on the balls of my feet, not flat footed, which makes it dicey when trying to dab a foot down off road. Not confidence inspiring when going through tricky off-road sections. It always surprises me that the GSA does as well as it does off-road, just as long as the conditions aren't too challenging.
When it comes to road touring, with occasional forays onto hard packed dirt or gravel roads, the big GSA is hard to beat. The extra gas tank capacity is really handy for being able to get into some truly remote locations without having to worry about the next fuel stop. Heated seat and grips are great for cold weather, and I love the various riding modes, traction control, anti-lock braking, and all the other cool features of the BMW.
I've found my GSA to be reliable and a ton of fun to ride. I'm really curious about the 2024 BMW R1300GS, and knowing BMW it'll be even better than the R1250GS. Tempting.
Cheers,
Jeff
I and, I'm sure others as well, do appreciate the effort you put into those videos. It is by far the best channel focused on testing motorcycles.
Wow, thank you!
Can’t believe the amount of work you put into your vids Ian.Impressive and thank you.
Great vid, looking forward to that Vstrom800 review!
Yeah , me too . Just came here to tell him the same thing . Man it’s awesome the new suzuki . Checked it out yesterday .
After watching each and every video from Ian, I brought a 23 GSA last week. The GS vs GSA was very useful and helped me make the decision.
Which one is better bro?
GS if you want to go off-road, lighter and lower. GSA for the ultimate comfort, wind protection and road presence. I just completed a 1500mile round solo ride and the GSA was a champ.
This 2020 model is one of the best looking of all the GS and GSA machines you've shown us. Your earlier history video with comparisons of all modern GSs is the bible for GS fans! I'm personally looking forward to the release of the 1300 model because (I hope) some great buys on used 2020+ 1250s will come on the market. Thanks for another inspiring "ride along" on a GS.
I referenced Ian’s GS model comparison video to narrow down my search. I found a perfect condition 2013 GS last year with
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@BigRockMotohi there, great review, where did you get the windscreen extension you have on your bike?
Personally, I love the thing. It really does everything well, for me anyway, except technical and single track terrain for which I have a 350 Husky. I’m always amazed how it simply plows through rocky washes that would have my DS deflecting and bouncing. The biggest PITA is changing tires back and forth from street to knobs. Mine is a std GS btw & I have a 30” inseam.
I had a 1100 GS, I just never fell in love with it. It just felt way too heavy. I went to a Super Tenere 1200, and for some reason it just feels better. I'm not sure if its the suspension, the engine or seat height. It feels a lot more stable. Boring as hell, but just stable. I can ride it a lot harder off road than I could the BMW.
I've dropped both bikes a couple times. The Super Tenere is easier for me to pick up. It might be that I decided to start working out more after getting into heavier bikes though. Or I learned a better technique for picking them up. The GS does have an advantage with the boxer engine sticking out on each side with the crash bars. I have crash bars on my Super Tenere, so it doesn't go over as far as it could without them.
Good review. LIke your channel a lot.
In all fairness you're comparing a bike that came out in 1994 to one that came out in 2010
Gday Ian, Steve from Stand up Moto in Aus. Having owned a GS and ridden many you’ve nailed this review of the GS, well done. Cheers
Thank you kindly
I owned 2 BMs before and one thing that stands out is their Dealer Support although pricey. It was the nicest when I got stranded in the Karoo desert with a failed battery and I could call a recovery team who raced out to meet me in under 3 hours. I'm not a fan of the big GS machines though. They are too big, but nice to look at. I miss the F650GS Dakar. I really enjoyed touring with it.
I agree, for me the dealer support network worldwide is an important factor when choosing a bike. BMW’s is not cheap but its reach and service quality is second to none.
Nice review. Im checking everyday for that 800de review!
Great channel but I disagree with your opinion about bar risers and off-road.
1st you have your bars rotated way back towards you and the bars are low, look at the kink at the wrist when you’re standing, when off road you can’t run your bars in the same position as you do while sitting for on road use.
i have a 22 gsa with 1 inch up and 3/4 inch back, when I’m doing off-road i rotate the bars up so while standing you have a nice straight line from the Elbow to the hand, Also standing and gripping the bike with the knees make a 100% improvement, i
Never sit off-road.
Sand, no issues, lean back and rpm is your friend, you’re having issue because your loading the front of the bike because of body position and your not using your Kees to grip the bike
Great points but I still have PTSD from all the sand I rode my 2017GS on in the Utah BDR. Many painful falls. When you're far away from help, it's tough to just open the throttle, lean back, and hope the elephant stays upright but, I guess, that's the best way.
@@gmoneymac23 ..true, it’s not a true off road bike and wasn’t designed to be, anytime you ride a “dual” sport or adv bike you have to compromise something but with some adjustments and proper body position, it can be made to work a lot better, his bar position/height etc is not conducive for the conditions he’s riding and like most, I don’t think he’s informed by his comments.
Not bashing him at all, I do enjoy his channel
Holy shit you have some serious skills. I was already on the edge of my seat when you were going 60mph over a sand path, but then the sand... Very impressive riding. Good review as always and nice to learn a thing or two about off road riding during it
100% agree with all of this, had 4 x R1200/1250 GS/GSA and i am done with taking them in sand or tricky offroad, no enjoyment, just stress.
I had a K1300S Motorsports when I bought the 2022 R1250 GSA to do longer trips. The K bike is a soul stirring missile good for maybe 2 days of riding for me at 6’3”. The GSA is a better traveling companion in every way. Surprisingly powerful, great suspension and electronic aids, lots of room and storage. I only ride on paved roads and fire roads……so I can’t comment on single track or sand etc….
The weight disappears after two mph but if you drop it you are going to feel it. The K is the single best bike I have owned if I am riding relatively close to home. Anything longer than that……the GSA is King.
You should do a breakdown of the costs of ownership long term and difficulty of diy maintenance
Hey Ian, like you, I've had the range of GS offerings. I currently have a '22 GS that I have completed about 8k miles of off-road riding on (CO, UT, WY, NM, OAT, Baja and AR backroads TAT). I have to agree with you completely. The bike is capable and great in 80% of the situations I have taken it through.... Sand being its biggest achenes heal. My most challenging accomplishment on the GS was taking it up and over Black Bear Pass in CO, although doable, it was so heavy on that loose rocky shale. I am going to keep the GS for my Adv touring, but as you know, I picked up a Tuareg 660 for my more dedicated off road ADV riding adventures (BDRs, round 2 of Baja, etc).
I miss that Tuareg already...
I've had several GS's over the years and really thought I'd get another one but ended up going with a Suzuki GSX-S100GT for more on-road performance AND the new V-Strom 800DE for a little more off-road performance. Both bikes new together are still a little less $$ than a loaded GSA. If I had to have one bike its the GS.....
Love my GSA as a primarily road touring bike, with the ability to go slightly off road, but that's it for me. I like this drivetrain so much (except for the quick shifter - I use the clutch) that I'd like to add an RT before they switch over to the 1300. Great balanced review 👍
I have a well used 1200 GS. It fit my budget. Works for me. Got it serviced. Changed the tires. Rode till the road ended. Turned round and came back. 3 weeks later. Due another service. Its mostly a road bike, I still got it pretty dirty. Yup if I really wanted to do a lot of off road its to big and heavy.
Zaista? ..bmw gs padaju na ravnoj podlozi ..idealno! Kad padne niz brdo četvorica ga neće pomaknuti😊
Feel the same way about the sand on my 1250. I dread it and mud. Have literally no confidence in it and try to avoid it all costs, which you shouldn't have to do on an adventure bike, however, while it's a huge PITA, i just adore my 1250gs. Every bike lacks somewhere. You did really well through the sand though! Lets not kid ourselves either Ian, if you sell this bike you know you'll just get another GS later. :) Love the content!
Very true!
You did an awesome job in that sand Iain, that's not easy
I for one really appreciate the commitment needed in order to do the drop test.
Man this guy goes thru bikes. To be honest based on his personal experience I’m left completely confused. Great content but still scratching my head
For the average adventure rider, the big GS has the perfect balance of attributes in every conceivable way. Many find this level of perfection a little boring, which is completely understandable, and thus they’ll get a second bike that specialises in whatever the one thing is they do most, whether commuting, dirt or track days… But for everything else, you simply can’t beat a big GS if you have the money and willing to spend it on a motorbike, the physical stature and the experience in my opinion based on my experience.
Many GS buyers would be really happy on an RT. But, just like there are mall-crawling Jeep Wranglers.. there are GS's on the road when an RT would be superior.
The RT cannot go to gravel roads (thats 90% of roads) but the GS can.
Okay, I'll come clean...I'm a "Starbucks" GS owner. Never take mine off-road. Love the looks, highway cruising manners, top loading luggage, crash protection and ability to go down a country gravel road without damaging the pretty plastic bodywork on an RT. I've owned several GS/GSA's, in addition to a 2017 R1200RT. Much prefer the GS as a touring motorcycle, compared to my R1200RT. Couldn't wait to get rid of the RT, and go back to a GS. I realize the GSA is simply a GS with a big gas tank and OEM crash bars, but I never cared for my 2019 R1250GSA. It just felt too big to me. I'm back on a '23 R1250GS and couldn't be happier! Also have a fantastic '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro. Great bike, and indeed a bit lighter, bit it just "ain't" a GS. Something about the way the Germans have refined the GS that's hard to describe. Similar to how Porsche has refined the Porsche 911 over the years. As always, great review Ian. Keep up the good work young man. At just shy of 72 years old, is it okay to call you "young man?" :) :) :)
Another awesome review!! I think if I was going to have two bikes in my stable I would definitely have that bike and a lightweight dual sport. That way you are covered for every situation. ✌️
Right on!
The GS is a touring bike with a little offroad, but the thing is that it shields you from elements. Nothing like going in a cold, humid day. Its terrible in any bike, not in the 1200. Its like being in a car, but you are in a bike. Last month in a trip to the mountains I was almost 4000m high and just 2C temperature, and it was great. Just a little cold (and I had a summer jacket!)
I love your giddy laugh when you crank it, that is what motorcycle riding is about! The only thing that worries me about the GS is the cost of servicing it. Our dealer closed up shop and left so maybe that is a good thing for the independent shops. Great overall review.
Good point!
The GS is such a good all rounder, it's not good at any particular thing just a very good all rounder. That's why I have one
I think he gets the Vstrom 800, although I'd love to see him reviewing the V85TT, that would be a suprise :)
Would love a Guzzi review, too.
I just spent the month of July on a 2017 Africa Twin. A hair under 10k miles from NH to Nashville then up to SD, Yellowstone Idaho Washington and back. Saw 3 other AT's. A bazillion Harleys and GS bikes of various years and models. Lots of Triumphs. I sold my 2012 GS before I left. Wanted to stop at the SD Rally on way back but no option for 1 day ticket. Buying another GS.
Out of the million GS/A made I would say maybe a thousand have been truly off-road.
Just two.
Demo models I guess@@northerniltree
I am grateful that I can watch this kind of contents free of cost, so happy that u r going to purchase r 1300. You are the best motorcycle auto journalist in my knowledge and u r much better than famous auto journal magazine. Highly appreciate your effort and PASSION for this. You are so good on what you are doing. I am waiting for the v Strom off road review - u know why, for everyone one else it is a gravel bike and I don't think so. The transalp also, I am curious about your off road review about it.
So nice of you
Ian, one of your best overall reviews. I cringed a bit when you dropped the bike intentionally. A reaction that comes naturally whenever a bike lays down. I've dropped a few over the last forty years and have had to pick them up and the easiest was the BMW Boxer due to it not lying flat on the ground.
Personally, I would be very impressed if that new bike you said you were buying was the V-Strom 800DE. I was thinking of returning to the KLR 650 and then you described that Suzuki as being like the KLR but with more power. I would like to hear more on that!
I've owned every motorcycle in 61 yrs and the BMW GS Adventure is my choice and I agree it's more road oriented but none of the other brands even come close to the GS imo.
Many thanks for your walk round all the best from Scotland
After a while of test riding and throwing my leg over 10's of bikes, I ended on a '16 r1200GSA, which I actively avoided because just looking at it I thought I wouldn't fit (5'9) and it seems like everyone just eventually ends up owning a GS. I wanted to be different. Toureg,Tiger,multistrada,Norden, all too tall. Surprisingly I fit the GS great, and got even better dialed after the addition to a Corbin and bar risers that pulled back a bit. I've logged an IronButt Saddlesore and will continue to put tons of miles on this thing. I love it! Also one of the easiest bikes I've ever worked on. Sometimes theres a reason why things are popular...
The GS seat can be adapted much lower than other bikes, even the BMW oficial site offers the BMW to riders of 5'7
'Serious off-road use' means 4 wheel or track drive (not one-wheel drive), such as on a Honda 520 Rubicon or Fort Mac Mudd-Ox. For bike conditions, this BMW is great.
Great final thoughts! Totally agree with you 100%. I have a F850 which, for me is the right balance. Cheers. Enjoy riding out there and love your channel!
I rode the Alpine Loop in Colorado with my dad and uncle. My dad and I were on XR650Ls and my uncle was on a R1200GS and he was in his mid fifties I think. I watched him pick that big bike up more than a few times, on the side of a mountain around timberline elevation. Either this bike is not as bad to pick up as it seems, or he's a badass lol!
I think that the wonder-wheel and screen are outdated. I canceled a reservation on a GS and went for a full option Africa Twin AS with 5 years warranty, dct, Apple CarPlay. A true gs-competitor… 💪
Love your reviews Ian. I have a 2021 GS Rallye. I agree with all of your assessments and my only complaint is the quick shifter. I would simply like a switch to turn it off. I find it even gets in the way when I’m not using it. I often end up with rough shifts that I would like. The engine is fabulous. Stability and comfort fantastic and it is so easy to ride. Thanks for this one.
Totally agree
Great reviews you do here. Im Contemplating a 1250 and finds your reviews on these great. Keep it up👍
Very good review and great highlights of the GS. Have a 2018 GSA, and it is amazing how much this bike offers. Have had the original Anakee IIIs, to Trail Max Mission tires (great tire on road and dirt, mud not so much) switched to Anakee Wilds, totally transformed the bike off road. Yes it is heavy, but once moving it is light on its feet! When slow speeds adjust the suspension to MIN, great for city stop and go or parking lot speeds. When I drop it so much easier to pick up vs the lay flat of its competitors, so many times pu’d myself and other riders seem surprised how easily it gets back on her feet. I got the GSA mainly for on road protection…have ridden many different bikes, nothing out there offers the balance the GS boxer does. If was riding mainly off road, yes a Tenere or 701 Husqvarna …thank you for the “real” reviews!
As always, thank you Ian! For sharing valuable knowledge and information.
My pleasure!
Ian, another excellent video. Before I purchased my GSA (new) in March '23 I'd watched all of your videos and pretty much decided it would never go off road due to its size. Now some would say what did you buy it for then? Simple - I just love its looks and engineering. In June, did a round trip of 4000miles from Yorkshire (UK) to Tetouan (Morroco). The bike was truly amazing and its purchase justified to family and friends. Keep the videos coming on any and all topics - bikes, gear and whatever. Many Thanks for advice and objective opinions.
Regards, Martin
Man i can't wait for your transalp review!
Big adv bikes are too heavy for serious off road, otherwise we need to be Chris birch. In my experience, well I am not that experienced - big bikes drain our energy pretty quickly while doing serious off road like a path filled with a lot of big stones. It is extremely difficult and u need to have incredible physique to do so
Totally agree
Would love to see you test an R1250RT one day. i would be very interested on your thoughts. Great review as always.
6:28 true it’s an advantage but also a disadvantage. I’ve seen more than a few bmw bikes like this crack the cylinder head when they hit a rock falling over like this. Not every time it will be a flat surface. If the rock gets through the engine guard just in the right spot, the cylinder head will need a new cover. Regardless to this day the GS is my fav bike ever
Good video. Thanks. In your mention of the main competitors for the GS is the Honda Africa Twin manual or DCT.
I love your videos. I believe I’m wanting the 1250gs adventure for sure. I reallly want a long range king on road. I love the bells and whistles and love a good fit and finish anything really. Every now and then I’ll take the bike off-road but not too much. I’d say mostly gravel and hard pack sand and road. I want mostly a refined comfy long road bike.
Nice one Ian. Informative as ever - and entertaining too.
I'm not looking at buying this bike but I love your fair dinkum reviews really really easy to follow along without a vested interest to skew your opinion. On a different topic can you create a vid of places you would love to ride around the world. Get down here to Oz some great adventures here waiting for ya.
+1 from a GS owner in Oz
Man, I honestly hope that you don’t get bored with it and make another review whenever new bikes come out 😅 - Just hold on man , hold on
I agree. I have tried to like this latest RGS platform, having had an ‘07 many years ago when it was a much more lithe bike, in my opinion. But I never gelled with the ‘07, for whatever reasons. Knowing that it is an amazing package, I test rode a ‘22 RGS but wanted off very soon, after having recently tested a Versys 1000. I won’t take a full-size bike off pavement again on anything other than short stretches of graded gravel, so I went with the big Versys, which is better in every way for me on pavement. I use a Himalayan for rough/slow roads. I’ve tried to like the full-size 19-inch front bikes, but I just can’t. Midsize 21-inch front platforms (inc. the AT) with conventional fork suspension would likely be where I’d look if I were getting another “big” ADV. 21s are just too good in the rougher situations.
I'd love a GS one day. If i could afford it i would have multiple bikes with a variety of styles.
You do some good reviews, I like watching them all even if I don't intend to buy any of the bikes. However I am considering a 1250GSA or GS, I find going from a bigger engine to a smaller engine (to a Tenere in this case) I really miss the power of the bigger engine.
However I'm gonna do a little soapbox here on the quickshifter. Most people complain at it being clunky and choppy and that's because it was never intended to be used at low RPMs. The QS in all bikes is just a very clever "cut the ignition / gas for X/ms so we relieve the pressure currently on the gears so we can shift gears"-electroics thing. So it's really intended for fast acceleration and upshifts meaning you should be relatively high in the rev-range for it to work smoothly. As for the downshifts, or blipper, you want to be lower in the RPMs for it be smooth. Having owned a couple of bikes, both the MT09 and MT10 SP models as well as some bikes without QS I learned about the clutchless shifting and while I'm no master I can certainly figure out from riding a bike when I can upshift or downshift without using the clutch. Same principle applies only with the QS you can just nail the gas and go up. I never ever used it for 1-2 shifting because you have the dead-space of Neutral in between. For true seamless up and down shifts you probably need a "seamless gearbox" but afaik that's only available at the highest racing level, like MotoGP. I could be wrong there though - and my point really is: don't treat the QS as a ticket to shift up and/or down (if you have a blipper) whenever you feel like it, because that's not really what it's good at. And I'm sure BMWs auto-shift-assist thing is not a regular QS that most other bikes have, but it sure sounds like it should be treated as one. :)
You can all disagree with me that's fine, but if you have clunky upshifts you're simply too low in the rev range. would you go 2-3-4-5 if you where doing it manually and still keeping it under 4k rpm? If not then don't do it with a QS. :)
Again great video, thanks for putting so much time in to them.
When you're hard on the gas is really the best time to use them anyway, way faster than pulling the clutch in to shift, and manually shifting can occasionally upset the bike if you mess it up, or miss a gear, or dump the clutch too soon, etc. Using the clutch is a perfectly normal part of riding a motorcycle, makes sense to be very proficient at it. Up and down quickshifters are still so fun though.
I'd love to hear BDR-able added to your reviews. Also when are you riding another route? Your Colorado BDR videos were amazing.
Hi Ian, can you please do a review or give us your opinions on Cfmoto 800mt 😊
Great review, sir !
I think the front brake rotors are 305mm dia and not 320mm as started 😉
i agree, in the hands of all but the most pro level riders, cough Brett Tkacs cough, the gs and especially the gsa is just too big for serious off road. For me personally, i don't have the skill or the wallet to be taking my gs very far off pavement. I'm completely fine with that, it still gets me everywhere i want to go in comfort, has never let me on the side of the road, and frankly i find the diy maintenance ease of the gs to be a bonus that's rarely talked about.
great video, can't wait for the 1300 revew
Very enjoyable review. It would be great to get your thoughts on the KTM 1290 SAR if you can ever get your hands on one!
I’ve been asking him to review the new SAR for months and it seems he can find every bike except the 1290😢
Maybe one day you can test a 1290R that would be very interesting
There are several reasons why the middle weight ADV market is exploding while the over 1000cc ADV segment is dying…….first and foremost $30k+ for a 1250 is obscene…second is the weight @600lbs….as for options, good luck finding a “stripper” because 99.9999% of dealer inventory has every factory bell and whistle as standard…..and even “loaded” the GS/GSA do not include aluminum hard cases…that’s and extra @$2500+
A more accurate ‘test’ of a ADV bike is how well it handles single track….since that’s how the majority, regardless of brand, are marketed…The reality is they are meant for highway droning more than anything else…like a Goldwing
After a extended demo test of the ,cough cough , CFMOTO Ibex 800T….. I was completely impressed… loaded for under $13k
..and for perspective my current stable consists of : 2013 GSA, 2014 R9T, 1994 Ducati 888SPO LTD, 2016 Aprilia RSV4(race) 2015 KTM 300XCW(race) and a 2023 KTM 300XC(race)…
As usual Ian, your evals are spot on, honest and well informed…
Hi Ian, great spot on review. I am on my second GS, I had a 2017 R1200GS Rallye which was fantastic and I now have a GSA Rallye which is awesome. The way I would describe the GS is it does everything well but nothing brilliantly. Actually it is brilliant at being an all rounder. I quite often use it just as a quick personal transporter to get through heavy traffic and I quite often take my wife as a pillion with all the luggage on for anything between a day and a week on tour. I have been tempted on several occasions by the new Honda Goldwing (2019 onwards) which I think would be the ultimate 2 up luxury tourer. The GS is not the most relaxing ride. I am not in the luxury position of being able to keep the GS and buy a Goldwing as well. My question is, do you think I would miss the GS and it’s convenience as an all rounder?
GW does one thing very good, but personally I would be missing the lower weight, the low speed maneuverability, the capability of dropping from a curb, the light off road attitude. I don’t see the GW as a city commuter, the GS also isn’t but it’s more at ease in the city than the GW
If the main thing you’re doing is long distance road touring the GW should be better even than the K1600, but as you said it’s not an all rounder
Quickshifter is ok until 4k revs max. And then clunky and sometimes failing when attacking too hard. It works but is made for easy cruising. Down from 6 to 3 it works good.
Great review but man, may I suggest some aerobic training ? like running thirty minutes 3x/week. Cheers
Riding a motorcycle in sand is like aerobic training
I have the exact same bike, which i use for touring. Best bike i ever had.
Nice 👍
AGREED, it’s the best bike in it’s class and the world probably. I can put a finger on the reason for this fact. The specific Boxer twin and Cardan shaft combo, weight low down in a beautifully designed frame make it the best overall setup 😊. Now some bikes have gotten really close, like the KTM Adv and Husky Norden 901, especially Expedition model. Those tanks slang low down hugging the great compact KTM LC8c twin make for a very similar setup. Low centre of gravity is everything on motorbikes. This is exactly why no other bikes, no matter how good don’t really come close to this perfect balance. Like the Multistrada V4 s or the Desert X, Triumph Tiger, Honda AT. All very good adv bikes but the balance can’t be beat without the weight low down, plus drive shaft combo on the BMW is superior to everything else. I didn’t find the quick shift clunky at all, just how BMW makes its gearboxes. Maybe a bit more feel to klick in to gear than the QS on something like the Husky Norden or KTM Adv . Which have the best QS on the market. But it’s still very precise and positive also quick enough. This is just always been the BMW way of making gearboxes, but it never misses a gear or has false neutrals like Ducati.
Have you tested Hondas manually-automatic gearboxes?
If you drive in terrain up or downhill they are really helpfully
@@steelrolex actually my brother in law just bought a NCX 750 with dct so I will test very soon. However I am not a fan of automatic or semiautomatic motorbikes. Even though a QS can be considered a semiautomatic. But I need to shift with my foot. Just the feeling it gives me. But even geared adv bikes today have up hill assist. Also I always prefer German or Austrian bikes. I will buy the Husky Norden 901 Exp next spring most likely. Cars as well always buy German exclusively, just how I am.
Yes, I agree from the beginning I couldn’t understand the point with DCT, but nowadays a think it is like a have automatic gearboxes in my cars for many years. The Goldwings have if you want it ,a foot shifter 🤔
I am going to buy a ADV soon. Please do a comparison between the KTM 1290 SAS and the BMW R 1250 GSA. I don't trust any other bike review out there as much as I do of yours!
Here where I live, the Tiger Rally Pro 1200 is by far the least expensive bike of your list. Does this mean it is the best choice for us here? Great video as always, Ian.
Thumps up for the just the double drop 😊. I have 2021 gs1250 adv and I love it for every penny i paid. I mainly ride on long distances, paved roads with a very very light off road situations, like good proper dirt roads. So why i do not get a big sport touring bike like RT or RS 1250 ? There are certain reasons;
1- The balance of the riding comfort and handling is unique. There are of course better handling adv bikes, but with a little trade off from the dynamic handling, i think gs adv provides utmost suspension comfort for a motorcycle even comparing to RT1250 or bigger touring bikes (becouse of longer susp travel). Some situations, its suspension is even comfortable than a luxury SUV. Yet it still handles the cury road with very very respectable handling performance, especially with more tarmac oriented tyres. And also powerful brake performance adds additiona dynamism as well.
2- As you showed, it is a very rugged bike. And also there are some many aftermarket protection parts available for every inch of the bike, you definitly escape from most of the drops with no or very little damage, considering the size and weight of the bike. You cannot say this for other heavy sport touring bikes. They are not designed that way and protection wise you have very limited after market options. And let’s face it, it is going to drop :-) sooner or later.
3- Although it’s a very tall bike, it has advantages of very good leg room with very comfortable seating position which is some thing you cannot get with lower sports touring bikes.
4-I am do not ride offroad with GS. For me it is too heavy and expensive to ride offroad. I know lot of people who has experience, talent and courage could ride it amazingly, I would not try. Yet GS gives you ease of mind when you are traveling long distances with unknown roads that would get little rough or unpaved.
For those reasons above i will not go for a sports touring bike instead of GSA and I am waiting eagerly for next GSA. If they would add little more performance, top speed, bring radar and better connectivity options and allow more suspension adjustments on esa, i think it will be perfect.
I agree 100 %. I tested a R1250RT, but didn't like it.
For my purposes I want the big heavy bikes as I will mostly be doing road touring with only light to moderate off road. So I am trying to decide between the GSA, The multistrada V4, the desertX, the 1290 Super Adventure, the Triumph Tiger 1200, Africa Twin, and the Pan America. Well for ADV's anyways, also looking a touring bikes from BMW, Honda, HD, & Indian and sport touring from BMW, KTM, Motoguzi too. And I am also looking maybe at some of the midrange adv too. I am spoiled for choice really, but I can only have one.
Only thing I can say to you:
You only come so far reading about bikes and watching reviews... The real answers comes when you test ride a bike.
So from dealer network, your own preferences, price and costs, seat height and so on - you can maybe narrow down to three or four bikes. Then try them out and feel for yourself.
To your list I can add Suzuki V-strom 1050 if it is available in your country. I haven't tried out this bike myself yet, but it falls into your frame of bikes to choose between.....
Keep it up! Cheers from down under👍
Drove one for a few minutes. Its handling reminded me a bit of the V85TT but the quickshifter is years behind those from Triumph and most likely KTM. Speaking of KTM, did you have the chance to try a SAR?
I understand Ian have tried to get his hands om a KTM 1290 SA R/S but KTM hasn't so far responded to him?! Hopefully KTM dealer close enough to him will come around and make it possible...
Cant imagine why KTM still doesn't take the chance of this free exposure, considering the quality Ian has of the reviews.
My experience with the 2023 GS
3 year vs 1 year warranty
$5K more than AT, but almost the same price with options:
Factory 2" Lower option, suspension raises and lowers w/button press, Steering damper, Heated Seats, Pannier racks, Quick shifter, Heated grips, tpm, cruise control
Lower center of gravity
Boxer engines are bulletproof - 150K miles
BMW prices will increase 10% in 2024
This is the last model year for the 1250, i.e. most reliable
Shaft drive = no oil mess
Same weight as AT DCT
33 more hp, 29 more ftlb
No brake dive
Torx fasteners
Panels remove easily, unlike AT
Beautiful titanium engine guards available! Goodness!
The mechanical engineering is artwork
Higher quality materials
GS issues:
Needs premium fuel
Sounds like a tractor
Wheel spoke maintenance every oil change
Annoying display
Grip/seat heater button hard to reach
Hand guards weak, direct flow in my face
Kickstand awkward
Keyless gas cap finicky
Standard headlight not LED
GPS mount blocks the display and is complicated
I sold mine after a few months, at a loss, just not my kind of bike, after the RT1150, and then the RT1200, then the GT1600, I got what I rate as the best bike suited for me of-course the RT1250, not better than the GT1600 but lighter, easier to handle in the garage, but I am sure it is horses for courses.
Another great vid! Thanks. Why did you replace the GSA with this one?
My 2007 GS sounds like a bucket of bolts being shaken around, but it still runs great.
I have a 2017 also sounds like a bucket of bolts.😂
I have 22' crf1100 dct, but one day I would buy the GS. I wish they made automatic transmission in the future.
Brilliant review as normal.👌🏼
I bought a 2023 GSA model, same color. I sold it in 2 months. GSA is a horror. In addition to its height and weight, every movement or stop is a stress test, it will not fall. The weight distribution is medium, not the bottom, the boxer motor is high, the 30l tank is even higher and half the weight of the car is ears. ESA is like swimming at sea, you never know what's under the wheel, it hides all the information....Mostly 3/10. It's an engine for the neighborhood for the neighbors to see, everything else is torture. With equipment and a passenger, it is as heavy as a car and drives like that
So what have you bought instead?
I have the exact opposite opinion of my GSA. It’s a dream and I rip it off road all the time. Hope you find a style of bike you enjoy.
Had the same model but a 2019 and now I have a Trophy GSA 2023 model. Their totally different in my opinion. The GS you can throw it like a rag doll in every road you ride it on have you got the skill. The GSA is a Caddy to do everything as the GS but at a very slower pace. I bought it cause mostly of the range and because of the 1300 coming with the stupid Adaptive cruise control bs that no one really needs out in the nature unless you’re chasing a wild horse or a deer🤣🤣🤣 Beautiful bikes nonetheless and can see myself buying anything else on this segment
@@MRGS48 I live near Germany, I have years and experience. What the Germans have been doing for the last 20 years is selling accessories, not vehicles. The vehicles are by the way because the technology is from the 90s, but they put screens, a mountain of unnecessary functions that can only break and leave you on the road. A motorcycle must be simple, practical and reliable, that's why I think that the German industry will have to learn from the Japanese for a long time. Nobody serious will take an engine like the BMW GSA on parve adventure routes, because any failure of related accessories means the end of the adventure
@@LG-th8xt ohh I hear ya 100% on that one and agree. I think the best bike right now in the market one can buy is the Vstrom 800 DE but the KLR can do the same. Some people do the same stuff pros do on a Vespa 200 cc🤣🤣
Interesting that turn signals were incandecent on US models (not sure if this is by choice), but in Costa Rica all BMWs I've seen came standard with LEDs since about 2010 (both my 2011 F800GS and 2016 R1200GS have LEDs from factory). Always found that strange. As always great video Ian, I love that color scheme and I hope I can upgrade to one of those HP models.
yeh, it is odd. In the UK, the indicators have been led for many years, including on the 1200. Also, to be strict (possibly pedantic), the adaptive light cam on in model year 21, which means that there are 2020 bikes out there with adaptive lights, heat seating etc.
Great video. Always honest. One question. Why did you get the bike set up so high you can’t put both your feet down ? Seems difficult to handle. Just curious !
Where do you get the Double Take Adventure Mirrors? Do you get credit for it? Same as Machine Art Moto, but didn't see it listed in your accessories.
“Do not remove your hands from bars when riding”. “ Removes hands from bars”. Lmao !
Great video thanks….
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Hello may I congratulate you on yet another excellent informative video I really like watching your shows, however one thing puzzles me and that is that you never mention Harley-Davidsons RA Pan America 1250 Special is there a reason for this glaring and obvious exclusion?
The 12xxGS is a good example of how good the BMW marketing is are compared to the buyers ability to find a bike that fits their needs and technical skill set😂😂
Ian's hair be looking Glorious lately. Hopefully Pantene sponsors the channel soon. 😳
Wow very exhaustive in all aspects ! 🤙👍