I’ve (we’ve) been riding our 2010 GSA here in Western Australia for almost all of its lifetime . I want to commend you for an accurate, realistic and comprehensive review. As I’m sure you appreciate, what makes your reviews substantial is the commentary....not just mildly interesting video. The concepts you focussed on in the review were entirely appropriate.....but I’d like to add a word that I think is key to the review....VERSATILITY. We use our bike on tarmac highway, paved backroads, gravel roads, easy dirt roads. We’ve done camping trips towing a trailer, long highway trips and everything in between..... but we don’t do ‘technical’. This is without doubt the most versatile motorcycle I have ever ridden. Love that BMW!
Have to agree. I own this exact bike and after having garages full of Harleys, crotch rockets, dirt bikes and ATVs…she does it all. Bikes are like boats…not one will do everything but if you find one that does a little of everything is priceless
I have a 2010 too. I have ridden it for three years now. Of course there are improvements on later models but the fact is that you get an awful lot for your money if you buy a second hand 1200 GS in good shape. It is an amazingly good bike!
Absolutely spot on. This is by far the most versatile bike I have ever owned. Yes it is big and heavy and yes, I don’t due super technical on it, but other than that, it can do just about everything I need. Well balanced review!!
Took my GS loaded with luggage down the Pinkham Jeep trail in Joshua Tree yesterday. Worked great until I hit the foot deep sandy gravel. There was no way to go fast enough to float the front & if you did it would try to climb out of the tire ruts & tip over. Finally I got it stuck to the center stand. Luckily for me 2 dirt bikers came along and helped me push it out & turn the big girl around. Who ever you guys are, thanks a million. I at least owe you a dinner & beer. Suffice to say I found the bikes & my limits. Open sand with room for speed would work, but add wheel ruts & no way. I did at least 6 GS dead lifts. Sadly the showroom shine is no more.
This is without a doubt the BEST R1250GSA review I have seen to date! I pickup my 2022 R1250GSA on Wednesday and have been looking for a video just like this to enjoy as I impatiently wait. I’ve watched many of your other videos and appreciate you putting so much time and energy in to each and every one. This video though is just perfect!
I had a 1100GS back in 97 and loved it. The telelever suspension gave me a lot more confidence for higher speed twisty riding with its ability to alow you to brake hard in a corner if needed. That had no ajustable ride modes, so there was less to go wrong electronically. After 100 thousand miles the only problem was I had to replace the front main seal after it started weeping. I no longer ride as I had my left leg amputated, but if I did I would choose another GS. GREAT BIKE
If I were you James, I’d check out one of those Can-Am Spiders. You can get them used for a pretty decent price now that they’ve been out for a good while. It’s a reverse trike design, so you get the motorcycle feel, but don’t have to worry about tipping over.
Hey James, my uncle lost his left leg and now rides a 300 vespa with the changes in the handle. Also Honda has DTS. I hope you get back in the saddle one of this days.
Ian, I have watched you for some time now and have really come to appreciate your ability to give honest reviews and other info that riders need to know about.
Out of all 13000 GS videos on TH-cam you’re the only one to say so succinctly “ Enduro mode is for street tires and Enduro Pro is for dirt tires”. Thank you.
This was the exact review I was looking for, so thank you! It's taken me owning 4 Adventure touring bikes to realize I really need an adventure Touring bike. 500miles a day on a drz400 is possible, but not easy to do back to back to back. I'm going to go pick up some aluminum cans every weekend for the next 5 years until I can afford this bike.
Seeing a review after long term use makes all the difference. I really appreciated your honest advice about the technical off-road use of this, or any, heavy bike. I tend to go off by myself a lot and that's important caution for me. Sounds to me like you'll always have at least one Beemer in your stable!
What about the seat height, the skinny foot pegs, and missing sound system? Touring requires better amenities in all these areas and more. I like the GS but I can only afford one bike so I need a tourer.
@@charleschilders6388 Easy fixes - get a pair (out of bazillions of choices) of wider foot pegs to your liking (me, I'm a fan and lover of the Pivot Pegz MK4's - nice and wide AND pivot foot position when needed) and even better choices for in-helmet sound systems without all of the extra road/bike/traffic noise! Go Cardo Edge!
This is a terrific style of review or a bike like this. Relevant narration while executing various tracks and in detail on the go. I have been a GSA rider since I got on my first early 90’s airhead 100GS. Snapped that thing up quick, lol. After a run of Harley’s, in 2003 I jumped onto an 1150GSA and love was born, lol. I put 135,000 on that bike (I think it was like 134,500) and it was still running great when I sold it. A little worn out, but still running perfectly. The most important thing to point out for touring folks, I feel, is this. I’ve had a Harley Ultra Classic and Road Glides and can say definitively that the GSA is THE bike for repetitive really long hauls. The Harley touring bikes have a feeling all of their own that simply cannot be replicated and I will never have just one bike in the garage. There will ALWAYS be a Harley ground pounder in the mix. A few actually, lol. But the ergonomics and ride quality soaking up a bazillion bumps perfectly all day long, day after day, make the BMW GS Adventure bikes the king of the road for constant along haul riding. I’m a pretty big dude at 6’2” and 250lbs. I’ve done this sort of riding on my Goldwing, my Ultra Classic, and my BM’dub and the GSA left me generously willing and able to enjoy an evening out after the days ride more often than not. Although ripping the fire roads is just a liberating feeling of freedom, even if the off-road capabilities weren’t ever going to be a reality for someone looking for a touring bike, I would STILL pick the BMW GSA as the best long haul touring bike for me if it was a solo arrangement. No doubt. Yes, the Ultra and the Road Glide are terrific when it comes to roominess when hauling another rider with gear and having that mountain of torque to pull you along like you were connected to a Peterbuilt 379 tractor, lol. But if you are going the along hauls solo, do yourself a favor and grab that GS Adventure as your touring horse buddy. Seriously. Excellent review of the bike my friend!! 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Your review and comments are spot on! I have a 1200GSA and love the bike. The longest trip I’ve taken in the bike was 7,500 miles up into Canada. However due to my age of 64 and not going off road anymore, I just put a deposit on a new 1250 RT. I just hope I don’t regret giving up the versatility of the GSA. I enjoy watching your videos!
How did you do this summer with your RT? I purchased my ‘22 RT last Spring and enjoyed it all Summer. The ONLY issue I have with it is the rather cramped leg position. Every 2.5 hours I need to get off and stretch my legs. I am thinking of a ‘23 1300 GS when they come out, but will have to determine if the GS is worth it when it is released.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 I went from a GS to an RT and I found the seating position cramped, too. The fix for me was Illium bar risers and peg lowering. I also ordered a seat from Sargent that was 1” taller than stock. Problem solved.
Fantastic review and I really appreciate it. The GSA is hands down my favorite motorcycle out there. Nothing compares to the all around capability of the motorcycle. The biggest issue is the price tag and it's the only reason that would prevent me from getting too aggressive on off road because who wants to risk dropping such an expensive bike? Just love the bike.
Excellent review. I have a 2018 GSA (and several other motorcycles). It is pretty difficult to find a better all-rounder. My other bikes all have something they do better but none are as versatile. So many short term reviews concentrate on things that really don't matter too much after you ride one for a while and then ignore the things that start to become a bigger issue (or not) with long-term ownership. Press reviews, even long-term ones, are never the same as owner reviews so thank you for being different.
The more gadgets you get with a bike ,the more you lose your piece of mind,happiness through simplicity, I'm not against technology and evolution, I'm against the marketing wars forced on us!keep on riding!!!(your reviews are getting better &better)
I used to also think that. But with a GS you can have music and commands in your helmet. And it connects to my phone…love that feature. In 98 I got my first BMW with ABS, saved my life on a wet day… So…maybe tech isn’t that bad 😁
I have a 2008 GSA. Bought it new. My 3rd BMW (2 air heads prior). The air heads were the most reliable bikes I have ever owned. The GSA is the least. Constant fiddly problems - mainly with fuel system. I bought a T7.
Well done Ian! Another detailed, thorough and honest review. I’m on my 4th generation GS and they keep getting better. It’s the perfect bike for me as 80% of my riding is on the street/sport touring and the rest light off road. Long live the OG Adventure bike. #BMW #GSA
Easily one of the best reviews I've seen for this bike, and as we all know, there have been a LOT over the years. Great 'real world' information. Thanks, Ian. 👍
Great review and spot on in relation to the off road limitations (for most riders). Another point when comparing it to road tourers is that it has longer leg room plus the ability to stand and stretch out! A major plus - particularly in hot riding conditions 2 up.
After watching this very through review, a light illuminated in my cranium! I just completed the CDR on a Kawasaki KLR 650. I encountered several GS1200's and typically the riders were older than me. I'm 59. On one particular occasion I was following two late model GS1200's on a very long stretch of Wyoming dual-track desert type terrain and these guys were "getting after it!" I kept up for about 30 miles but continued to fall- back heading into the small desert town of Atlantic City Wyoming. To my surprise both men were waiting for me with bikes parked and helmets off. When I arrived they were amazed at my ability to "keep-up?" After a few conciliatory pats on the back they departed and I was left to lick my wounds of defeat by two older men, (late 60's) and wonder why my skill set was so lacking? Besides the simple engine displacement disparity the technology on those bikes, for that particular scenario was superior! I was envious! However, in a later section of the CDR, Idaho, one of these guys was down on the side of the road with a broken collar bone. Just as you described the fellow washed out the front end on what I'd describe as an innocuous rut. What you described as a lack of positive feedback through the front end was EXACTLY what he said he encountered! Your reviews are exceptional! Thanks Ian! By the way your review on the 2022 KLR convinced me to purchase one. 5600 miles of on road, off road, all weather and the motorcycle was bullet proof. You helped me realize a dream I've had for 40 years! Salute!😊
Honestly. I see all these driver modes as a crotch. If you remove all the driving modes, those old guys wouldn’t drive as fast. Take all the driver modes of and they will drive with a 1/3 off the speed they are usual running. Remove all the driver modes and learn with out.
Ian, great review and you sum up a lot of my feelings and issues. I have a 2014 GSA that suffered a rusty frame and subframe at 3 1/2 years and barely 4,000 miles. Eventually they were replaced under “goodwill” but not before a dreadful bodge job and a bike returned in a dangerous condition (3 of 4 engine bolts loose) and other parts damaged of badly installed. They refused to consider the poor paint on the rear drive making excuses about water based paint. I would sum up as great sales experience, poor at dealing with quality issues, the head office here in the UK promises plenty and delivers nothing. I like the GSA but not the build quality or BMW’s response to it. Last but not least is the exhaust flap valve, a known weak point on the pre LC bikes. On that series at least easily replaced. On then LC bikes all part of the header and cat assembly. I was quoted £1,800 ($2,500)! I bought a second hand on on ebay for £200 and fitted it myself. Despite my extended warranty it’s not covered. Surprise. I’m going for an Africa Twin 1100 DCT ES after a long time away from Honda. As the song goes, things can only get better…… Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
I’m in love with my 2021 GSA, and ride it daily here around Paris, no matter the weather, even freezing days. You’re right about the weight, but it just the results off all the features that makes this bike so amazing.
I'm a new subscriber and I wanted to say that I really appreciate your down-to-earth, concise and no-nonsense reviewing style in contrast to some other channels which seem to value high-strung testosterone-infused A.D.D. friendly production pieces sponsered by Monster energy drinks full of rock music and quick cuts all while lacking any actual good useful information. Thanks for not giving me a headache.
Agree and the point he made that 2% of riders are truly skilled enough to take it on technical trails makes total sense to me. Kudos for those who can do it but that's not most of us. Let's keep it real.
This was amazing review. I learned more about the modes than i ever have watching your video (and I own a 2019) i also loved that I am not the only one that tenses up when going on heavy sand or narly off road conditions. That was a great moment when you showed even the great riders have to know their limitations especially when riding alone. Thanks!
The most elaborate overview on the GS. All BMW dealership should direct potential buyers to this video so they can reinforce or dispel customer’s perceptions. This is a 30K purchase, You really need to understand what you are buying than have future buyer remorse. You don’t need to spend a lot of time to realize the benefits and weakness. I spend a day at the BMW’s Performance Center in SC and was able to attest the facts presented in this video. But with great success comes serious competition. HD has shown great work for a first attempt. I am looking forward how BMW will respond to the GS’s closest competition, new Tiger. If the 60K sales numbers for the GS is any indication, the upcoming 1300 will still remain king.
Finally a review that points out the real advantages and disadvantages of a GS. I have seen many reviews and they are talking about the GS like it is a Tenere T7 and a Goldwing all together. Let's tell people the truth. The off road driving skills of videos we see on TH-cam is from drivers they can do things with heavy motorcycle like the GS and the Africa Twin we can only dream of. Great Review. Thanks!
I, like you had felt the same discomfort when taking DL1000 on technical trails. It could do it, but you can get yourself into a situation where your alone, and it would be very difficult to pick the bike up if you're in an awkward position. Other than that, it was an excellent touring bike. I'm with you, get on a lighter bike for more difficult off road trails. The KTM 890R comes to mind.
sadly people are falling for the "scam" of adventure bikes......Too damn heavy to go beyond dirt trails. It's incredibly easy to hit the limit of these bikes off-road, Drop it......now you're fucked.....because you never end up dropping a bike on a flat surface, it's always at a bad Angle....incredibly hard to pick up, even with crash bars.
I picked up my bike two days ago. After going thru two bikes in six months, I test rode this. I bought it. Tenere - gearbox drove me nuts, VStrom 1050XT - ergos cramped my long legs. If I rode this first, I wouldn’t have touched the other two.. not doing enduro tracks, and here in Australia we have lots of really long highways and big, wide open outback roads. It’s perfect for my use.
Nice review. Side point: Here in my state it is a big fine to camp in the fast lane unless it is marked as HOV. The far left lane is used for passing only similar to like the autobahn in Germany.
Heh. I wanted to shout at him to move over. It's one thing to not go over the limit yourself, but you don't need to act as a pace vehicle for everyone else. If they want to speed and get a ticket, that's on them. Stay out of the passing lane. :)
It's not a compelling package if there are no dealers within 200 miles. However, having said that your videos are getting better and better. Thank you for your excellent efforts.
Excellent hands-on review, with all the pros and contras well taken. I did buy the triple black GS last year, though I am a short 5ˋ7 rider. After having dropped the bike my first day out ,i decided to do an Enduro Training session, which immensely boosted my confidence and showed me my limits . There too, i dropped the bike in deep sand but was able to lift it. By the way, the 🆘 did to my embarrassment work. Forgot to shut it. I do love it for touring and country roads and the bike is amazingly nimble once it gains momentum. . Unfortunately, here in Berlin, Germany, there are limited possibilities to go off-road. By the way , i live a few kilometers from the factory where these bikes are put together. Doesn’t make it any cheaper . Thank you for the professional content and presentation. Very fair… Greetings,Jim
I love, how simply everything in your videos is calm and chilled, beginning with this beautiful non-hyperactive, non-orchestral, non-epic lowfi intromusic
This has to be one of the most comprehensive and best reviews I have seen to date of the GS and I’ve watched a lot, thank you so much for your time and effort I’ve subscribed immediately, Grtz from Tokyo, Japan !!
I bought a 1250 GSA on January 17, and now have over 4k miles on it. While most of the miles have been street miles, I’m making it a point to ride trails and dirt as much as possible. Because this bike is so capable as a tourer, I’m selling my Goldwing DCT. Because this bike is so much fun, I leave my 911 Targa 4S in the garage more than I want. My only complaint is the switch gear. The buttons are cramped, and the wheel on the left handlebar requires too much attention to use while riding. When turning off the cruise control at highway speed (75+mph) the bike’s compression slows the bike as if you have the brake on. There are other bikes that I’ve ridden and liked, but I have no regrets about buying this bike, and I look forward to riding it more.
Great conclusion. I had an 800GS and I got rid of it because I got tired of paying crazy money for servicing. I'd love to have a 1200GS, but only for road touring!
Good Video. While you touched on the subject of reliability what I find astonishing is how unreliable premium bikes are as compared with the cheaper Japanese bikes. In any comparison I've read Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki occupy to top four slots for reliability while BMW, KTM and Ducati come way down the list so essentially you are paying a lot more money for a less reliable bike that you have to pay a lot more money to repair more often. I think that the mad dash to bolt more and more electronics onto a bike has now passed the the point where it contributed to reliability and safely, and now has got to a point where it's just more to go wrong especially on an adventure bike.
a XR650L could do the job too....but why wear a Casio when you can wear a Rolex? And I don't mean to show off...Rolex/BMW needs more maintenance but it gives back so much more than a Casio. I hope one day you will get it.
I had a R1200R and at 58.000km the fuel pump fell apart. The same problem was already seen in 1990 BMW. models. So think the unreliability is built in. I went back to Yamaha....
@@happyswissjoe funny. I appreciate a Rolex but sending it to Switzerland every few years for an expensive service, not so much. My day to day watch is a Casio. Guess that’s why Im riding a Honda Africa Twin and not a Ducati Multistrada V4s with radar.
@@happyswissjoe It comes down to personal choice at the end of the day, there's no right or wrong answer. Personally I value reliability, and having the bike available when I want to use it rather than in a garage being fixed or stranded at the side of a road. Plus of course nobody will mug you for a Casio.
Currently I ride a Kawasaki concourse 1400. I had a GS . The Japanese bikes are just easy, peasy lemon sqeezy. Just maintain & enjoy. My next bike would be the AT DCT, hopefully it will be a 1250 engine with at least 125 bhp.
About the most sensible, honest and thorough review of the GS Adventure I've seen to date. I've been considering the new Triumph Tiger 1200 but the GS is still right up there.
Hey, thanks for a wonderful evaluation of the BMW 1250 GS. I couldn't have asked for more. Your evaluation was perfect. The pros and cons were on point . Yes, this is a magnificant mortorcycle all around , but it has it''s limitations. You pointed out it's strengths and weaknesses in an exacting manor. Perfect and clearly understood. The GS is a wonderful motorcycle , but not perfect. It does do everything it's designed for in an excellent manor, but it does have it's limitations. All in all a fantastic motorcycle that performs the duties of a few bikes rolled into one. It cannot be smaller or lighter and be a GS. Those are the facts, but if you were to buy a smaller lighter bike than the GS with it's numerous attributes, you would be loosing out in many areas that the GS covers nicely. All in all, one bike cannot do it all, but, the closest thing to that is a BMW, GS , in my humble opinion.
This has to be one of the best, honest, most spot on, GSA (and big adventure bike segment) reviews I have ever watched on youtube. I've been riding for decades, have owned big 1200size adv bikes, cruisers, sport tourers, super-bikes, mid size adv bikes, all the way down to the small dual-sports. I agree that these big adv bikes (for the vast majority of riders out there, including myself) are exactly as described in this review, adv-TOURERS, and for real rough terrain riding you want as small as possible as light as possible (ie little crf300 type bike) to be comfortable/confident on (confident that you'll get out there, crash, pickup the bike and get home). You have to be honest with yourself as to your capabilities, the time you're willing to put in to learn new skills and practice (do you actually have the time to do this?) Extreme examples are out there, people riding the Tenere 700 like a dirt bike (Paul Torres), people riding the CRF300L Rally across South and North america (ItchyBoots). Anyway, I don't usually post online comments, but I'd like to thank Big Rock Moto for this in my opinion spot-on review of the GSA and big adv bike segment in general.
To me, the most remarkable thing about my 1250 gs is how light it feels. I've owned quite a few bikes. Everything from old standard bikes from the 80s, cruisers, hyper naked, true sports bikes, and a lot of others. Before buying the GS I owned a Versys 1,000 (and a cbr 1,000) The difference in the feel is night and day. The GS is almost the exact same weight as the versys was. With all the protection and bags I've added, it's probably 50lb heavier. However, the GS feels like it's a 500cc bike ONCE ITS MOVING. If anything, I almost feel like it's too easy to change directions. It feels a bit nervous in the corners. The Versys was FAR from ideal, but it did feel very planted in a corner. The GS doesn't like to hold a line. It wants to go in too much, then you need to pull in back out a hair. That's my experience anyways. Though I do not own the GS adventure, just the standard model.
For the price the bike sells it sure it has everything. There are cars in 2022 that dont have this technology in them. The GS is another prime example of finest German engineering. Too heavy for hard off-roading, but for the road it sure its king.
Great review! The take away is very simple for myself with my GSA, respect your limits and think before you go! Just walk the trail before going in and assess, that's not a competition there's no rush! Never do it alone, which is true for any bike IMO. the whole purpose of owning a bike like this one is to escape life for a couple of hours or days and for this, it's an amazing versatile machine!!
A pretty accurate summation Ian from my experience. I have a few sportbike riding friends that went to a GS for its comfort and road handling with some occational forest and country dirt roads for variety. They love them.
I’ve had many bikes but ever since ‘09 only a GSA (first an ‘09 and now on a ‘15). Best bike for everything, except, as you say, harder trails especially if alone. But this, and some steering feel, are well worth the sacrifice for everything else that comes with it.
Ian, you always do a great job with your videos and reviews, but you have outdone yourself with this comprehensive review of your GS. I had a 1995 R1100GS, it was truly a jack of all trades. That GS was a phenomenal “sport touring” bike. I wish I still had that GS. I just can’t afford a new GS anymore. I’ll keep buying lottery tickets and get a new GS if I win. Thanks again for sharing with us.
30:30 Most important part of video. Jeeze, I can relate to that feeling. I don't think many people have considered the conundrum of getting the bike stuck on the trail. That feeling of being trapped is a horrible feeling, and to know that you have 600 pounds that can't be turned around on the small trail, is really scary! Your advice has made me reconsider the idea of purchasing one of the big bore ADV bikes.
Great review and it's why I bought a used one. It's perfect for my intended use of putting on miles, good road handling and some gravel / easy fire road riding thrown in occasionally.
Yes! I switched from an RT to a GSA because I have lots of friends who live on ranches and I wanted the somewhat longer legs...if I'd known how good the GS was at touring in the first place I would have had the RT, great bike though it was. For me the GS is a true do everything (that I do) bike, if you have the means I highly recommend it.
I have to admit, this bike is my DREAM bike. I have the 2019 BMW K1600B and if the GS is anything close, it’s heaven. Thank you for the video in that you now have me wanting one even more 😆
Great review Ian...this is my 2nd GSA...I have the 2021 Rallye and am 15lbs lighter after cancer which is making challenging offroad really uncomfortable being very fit prior...I too have reserved myself to service roads.I find after a few adventure riding courses...getting your weight forward and knees hugging the tank will keep you from pulling on the handlebars offroad.On point the comment about the handlebar switches at night. Best review yet...good work Ian.
BMW GS and GSA, three main reasons to own and I own 4: 1) long distance per day comfort, 2) range because I hate stopping for gas and my GSA is good for 350 miles, 3) shaft drive. Plus the other extras such as attention to detail & quality. I use it as a standard motorcycle because if you have been in the dirt with a 250 pound bike, anything heavier is frustrating. I also hate tons of bodywork.
Hey Ian, as usual excellent review, still would like a review of a Super Tenere and compared with a bmw the price is the deciding factor for me. I ride a fjr a d love it but i am planning a long adventure ride in 2023 and would like to buy a super tenere since i trust Yamaha explicitly.... looking forward to that one...
Being mostly a street rider, I've always thought "bigger is better," until I started riding trails. I recently upgraded from Yamaha 250XT to BMW F800GS, and I kind of regret it. Don't get me wrong, F800GS is an amazing bike and does great on highways and light dirt, but just like you described it - you naturally tense up, both mentally and physically, when the trail becomes a bit more challenging, and you don't know what's ahead. For years I always dreamed about having a 1200GS, but now that I experienced F800, I think even F650 is plenty when it comes to trail riding. I still might get 1250GS one day, but it will likely be for street touring. Being 6'1, I love the more upright seating position compared my K1600GT.
I would encourage you to think about a 1250gs or KTM 890 ADV R. Those mid weights you mentioned carry the weight much higher. The main appeal with the GS is the super low center of gravity along with the 890S/R. This low center of gravity makes the GS and KTM 890 stand out as really damn capable off road machines. I would argue the 1250gs is better off road than an 850.
You are very fair in your reviews and do them from a very objective point of view. Knowing the suspension short comings of the BMW r nineT Urban GS, I would love to see your review on it and adding your opinion on how much better you think it could be with a suspension upgrade.
Really nice work and a very comprehensive honest description of the bike. I have a 2021 40-year GSA and have had a couple GS bikes in the past. For those wondering how accurate this video is, believe it. This video covers it very well. A couple minor points: 1. Not all dealers are the same. Some, especially dealers that sell multiple brands, don’t treat customers with the same premier level of service. If you have choices, do some research and pick the better options. 2. The final drive issues are based in reality. These systems had issues in the past that were far more common than they are today. The current design is extremely reliable. This doesn’t mean they are perfect, but keep in mind that stigma with the older designs still lingers. Hint. Watch this channel’s video on cleaning and living the final drive spline. It has good detail, isn’t hard to do and the result is worth the effort. 3. This item is my opinion. I grew up racing MX and riding 250cc and 500cc dirt bikes every weekend. Due to experience, I’m not fooled into believing a 600lb bike is an appropriate off-road motorcycle. It isn’t. As this video accurately states, it is capable to and extent, but far from the best tool for the job. Unfortunately, media these days is flooded with people riding these and other heavy ADV bikes as if they are dirt bikes. I enjoy watching, but I don’t like the idea of thrashing a $25-30k motorcycle just to prove that I can ride it in extreme conditions. Know what you are getting in to. This bike is not a good choice for someone that wants to do a lot of off road riding on rough terrain. Note that someone will chime in and comment that they ride their GS off road. This doesn’t make the bike the right tool
Would love to hear some discussion on the Super Tenere from you. Not sure the price difference in the two, but I understand it to be a more reliable, simpler, and significantly more affordable alternative to the 1250. Theres no doubt that the BMW is an engineering marvel, but heavy on the electronics and software side. If the Super Ten is thousands less and will last significantly longer ( a la longhaulpaul), would be nice to see if it’s almost as good from a riding perspective. Or, if the value proposition for both are roughly equivalent. Brilliant work Ian
Ian nailed it on the review. I have a Super Tenere and bought that over the BMW for a number of reasons...I found the boxer engine shaky, like it was uneven firing on the cylinders, I couldn't get comfortable with the engine sticking out as my feet were either stuck down or above the heads like I was giving birth. It is literally twice the price of the S10 and same with the accessories. The shaft drive had me worried, a warrantee does you no good when you are in the middle of the mountains with nothing around and it breaks down, plus the cost for regular maintenance was extremely high. That being said the Super Tenere comes up short of the BMW in a number of areas, it is very much an older style with no updates for quite some time, not a lot of electronics on it, suspension is average at best, wind protection is less than the BMW. With all that in mind I am glad that I went with the Super Tenere, reliability was very important to me, I knew I would be dropping the bike a number of times and did not want expensive repair bills and for about $1500 more than the original price I had a dam fine bike that fits me well.
Absolutely fantastic review 👏❤. Best detailed review on TH-cam I am from India. My height is 6.4 , I own ktm adventure 390 got one due to the budget constraints. It costs only 4863 US dollars here in India. Did lot of mods to make this bike more versatile offroad & on road. Practically I feel more confident taking my bike off road due to the light weight of adventure 390. I am happy with my purchase 😊👍
I was going ask the same question. The new Tiger looks very competitive against the GS/GSA bikes. Not sure how Triumph stacks up as far as dealer experience or community that BMW seems to have developed.
Greetings from Australia, and thanks for an excellent review. Towards the end i noticed you carefully kept the KTM 1290 SAR out of the conversation. It's probably one of the most relevant competitors. I am 72 and previously rode a KTM 640 Adventure for 40000kms. I had such a good run and adventures with it. I also have a 08 Honda Fireblade 1000rr which I love for road. With the country's deteriorating roads i wanted something that would fit multiple requirements so i chose to go the KTM 1290 sar and love its all-around capabilities. My younger brother is a die-hard BMW devotee with a 07 GS and a boxer cup 1100. I have lost count of the time the words " Tele lever".are used in conversation. we have some interesting debates, he is a bigger daredevil and faster rider than me. I say he is a bigger risk taker. When we ride together, there is always a bit of upping the ante. Lots of fun. But it's whatever floats your boat. As long as it has two wheels. Cheers.
To me, Adv Touring bikes are what the GS is: Good for touring on paved and dirt/gravel roads. It's not a trail bike. I use my R1200GS with 90/10 tires (conti trail attack 3s) to mainly tour on pavement with some easy gravel roads thrown in. If I'm thinking of less touring and more dirt, I have a 790 adv R for that. For the really rougher stuff I have a WR250R that I'll trailer and ride as a day rider. I'm leaving for Florida this week and I'll be on the GS. There for no doubt in my mind on which bike I was planning to take on this trip. This is my 4th GS.
On my 06' R1200GS I put 18,000 miles, 07' RT 12,000 miles, 11" R 27,000 miles, and now my 20' R1250R with 10,000 miles since December and not one final drive issue, or ANY OTHER issue with any of these bikes. They have simply been flawless.
Another really good, fair and thorough review. As interesting as this bike is, I prefer the known reliability and huge cost savings I enjoy with my used 27,000 mile 2015 Super Tenere ES. I paid less than $9k with crash bars, tail case, etc. I have ridden it 13,000 miles in 9 months and have enjoyed doing basic maintenance myself. I feel I made the right choice for me. I am curious what tires you have on this bike?
@@happyswissjoe I have had the opportunity to ride a friend's GSA Rallye a couple times, it's a great bike. With the ongoing costs and reliability issues I have witnessed I prefer my Yamaha. To each their own~
Yeah I was on the same boat before pulling the plug on the Super Tenere (I have the 2012 model). My mechanic told "if you wanna visit me regularly go for the GS...if you get the Tenere I will miss you a lot"...I think F9 reviewed it in a very fair way: it does everything you are expecting it to do with ease and lowest maintenance cost yet very boring...I wish Yamaha could invest more in integrated solutions such as a comprehensive dashboard that can be linked to a dedicated gps controllable from the handlebar switches...pretty much the same way BMW does...otherwise when I ask an old rider who did 4 continents on his 250cc bike...he responded saying that today riders are so spoiled that they spend less time riding and more time arguing on brands, accessories, etc...
Hi Todd ,hope you well.I am new rider and plan on purchasing a bike for myself.I am looking at a long distance sports tourer and commuter.Any recommendations (fjr1300 etc). I last rode 12 years ago ,a ZZR 400.Thnx. Gents please feel free to comment and guide.
@@kidronreddy1671 I can only speak from my experience as a really tall guy with very few realistic motorcycle options. My KLR650 was good to find out that I needed a V-strom650 for 2up riding that led me to my present bike, the Super Tenere. The Yamaha best suits my needs, anybody else would have a different experience, I loved all three bikes. The best bike for you is the one you can't stop looking at, riding, and lovingly wrenching on. Not a great answer, but that was my journey. Best wishes, ride safe!
Very honest appraisal of the gs. Good advice for all of us who might think we can go anywhere and do anything on a big adventure bike. Still I think it’s king of the bike world.
Outstanding review.Just a note on the Drive Shaft.On the 1K 1st service make the guys open the Drive Shaft and make sure it is greased properly and thereafter every 10k service.You will find it will last a life time unless you do a lot of water crossngs then check it more often.Thanks.
@@Hogdriver88 Check front and back to start off so you know your starting point is good.Then you will get a sence of its state when you open it next.The shaft is not greased well from the factory in my experience.
Well, after watching all your videos. I just bought a 2015 1200gsa and I love it. I have a few different bikes. But, I just love getting on the GS it’s so comfortable for me as a taller rider.
Great review. I liked the explanation of the riding modes and the emphasis on “little ‘a’, big ‘T’” - that is how I would be using it. Look forward to the accessories video. Do you have the dealer do the scheduled major maintenance intervals with your own extra oil changes thrown in - do they do it all - do you do it all? Without the GS-911 tool it seems that service reminder on the TFT would be annoying.
Thank you, a perfect review that has re-confirmed this IS the bike for me. I'm planning a lot of tours across Europe culminating with the big one (Canada to Argentina). So over the next 4-5 years this bike and I are going to get to know each other well. Two things i am going to do now is 1) a course on bike mechanics 2) advanced of road use course. Thanks again, a really clear, well put together review, delivered at the perfect level. Cheers. Angus (UK)
For those of you who like wrenching on your bikes, this might not the bike for you. I remember reading that BMW does not sell shop manuals for the new(er) models anymore. This is a complex bike and you will not be able to perform repairs w/o proper information. Unfortunately BMW seems to have turned against the right to repair. But chances are that, if you have the money for such an expensive bike, you won't mind their overpriced repair/accessory bills.
Thanks, as always, for another great video. I traded-up from a GS Urban to a GSA and it was like going from a Suzuki Jeep to a Range Rover. Such a plush ride. But also I find I feel far more confident on the GSA. Super-smooth power delivery, a commanding riding position, and great handling. I'm sure the bike will do far more than I'll ever ask of it but even if I don't cross continents I will be enjoying every moment I'm on it. Cheers.
Really good review. I have done the demo and like the GS but after a lot of thought I'm on the fence with the asking price. I rode my 1000XT from South Florida to Tennessee last year and can't help but think $12K gave me the same experience $25K would. This Suzuki seems bulletproof for those that have traded is it really worth the extra cash?
I owned a 2016 V Strom 1000 and have ridden the 1200 and 1250 a fair bit. The V Strom is a good bike, and I imagine that the XT is even better. The GS is really, really good. The 1250 is a genuinely quick bike and the handling is superb. The V Strom was an easy bike to ride but the GS is absolutely effortless. It’s twice the price of the V Strom. It’s not twice the bike, but it isn’t far off.
I have a $10k used Africa Twin that I like alot, how much better would a $25k new GSA be? Maybe 10 or 15% better. But GSA would still take me to the same places. Sounds like your in the same place.
Still have my VSTROM 1000 2002 model. Have it 14 years. Total cost around 8 to 9 thousands. Never opened the motor still playing with BMW gs on the street.
I would suggest a used GS/GSA. You can get those for 15-20k depending on year, model, condition and mileage. Those are well worth the value and the owners have taken the light deprecation hit. GS bikes hold their value very well and for good reason. My 2018 GSA Rallye with 18k miles retails for about 18-18.5k in the used market currently. Most other bikes with that mileage and year age would depreciate much more, including that Suzuki you mentioned. If you can save a few extra grand more, get a used GS/GSA. You will not regret it for 85-90 percent of the riding you do. I do technical stuff so it’s a challenge, but that’s the one area it struggles. It does everything else VERY WELL. If I could only have one bike, it would be a GS/GSA.
Great video I have a 1250 GS as well, I’m not as skilled on dirt. But 100% agree I happily took the trade off over a luxury turning to have that off road capability. The GS was my seventh brand new bike I have bought and Here In Australia the experience with BMW was way better than all the rest of brands that I had.
Too many cars passing on the right...(unless you're recording in a UK territory) So - which is better? 1 BMW 1250GS ($26K) or 2 Husqvarna Norden 901s (@ $13K ea)?
Excellent review, I will say the best hones and comprehensive review in the net. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it. I used to have an R1150 GS and was very happy with it tou2 up. It seems to me that the 1200GS (2017/18) and this 1250 will be the best out there for those over 60 who would like to hit the roads and see the countries. Cheers from Tasmania
I'm sure after owning this beast for a few years and putting a few miles on it there will eventually be an electronics issue with it..because it's mostly electronically controlled and so complex and hence expensive to repair..Simpler is better for me..a machine I can fix myself.
@@gbner9991 I'm an Avionics Aeronautical Engineer..My work for the last 35 years involves MOSTLY economic replacement not repair of VERY EXPENSIVE Airplane instrumentation..so I know that in time with alot of use and high frequency harmonic vibration electronics WILL FAIL eventually...and a bike or car are prone to MORE vibration than any Commercial Airliner.
Fantastic review, as a GSA owner for the last 5 years all the points Ian talked about were spot on !!! And for some of us more into heavy off roading the GSA it’s completely capable but I highly recommend to take a class for off-roading designed for large bikes and most of all… don’t be afraid dropping the motorcycle - it will be ok, it’s amazing how much punishment they can endure just make sure you are a bit fit, as Ian mentioned the bike it’s heavy so be prepared and enjoy off-roading .
Super super video. We moved back from Germany recently and I miss my BMW. My off road days are pretty much over as I'm 62. I had a Multistrada and I got caught in a rut on a hill. It took me an hour to get the bike up. Now it's long highway rides, in and around town riding with our kids. I'm only 5'6" but I've had a 1200 and other big bikes, so it's all technique and balance maneuvering the bike. There are a few you tube videos for us vertically challenged people and riding big adventure bikes. Again, great video!
At 32:00 you just need to lean the bike over, then spin the wheel around until you do a 180 degree. Remember to look in the direction where you are going. I know the Big Rock guy can do this, but this is more for other viewers reading this and maybe thinking that the GS is hard to turn in situations like that.
I have now owned three GS’s in a row, and there’s a clear reason why that you mentioned. It’s a jack out all trades bike, it can be thrown around in the twisties and will show up a lot of sportier bikes, you can also fully luggage it up and go touring, with the ability to go down the odd dirt track in the process. I used to change my bikes almost every year to two years and I don’t feel the need to do that with the GS.
Undoubtedly an excellent machine, but too expensive for most and quickly becomes too heavy. Really an excellent paved road, forestry trunk road type bike. The drive shaft issue is disappointing for a bike this advanced.
Just read this review today. I have been in a winter GSA mood, but watching your video gave me pause. I still think someday I should own one, but the off road part of your video about getting in over your head while riding solo brought me back to reality:) Still think my 2022 KTM 890r is the perfect fit for me. Years ago I did an adventure bike ride in northern Baja over a weeks time. Quite a few BMW GS bikes and most of the riders struggled with the size and weight off and on during the week. I was on a KTM 690r which was like cheating. There was one rider who was fairly short and was on a big GS Adventure. Seemed like a huge mismatch but he road great with zero issues all week and then rode the bike back from the Mexico border to Canada. Very impressive rider and showed what the bike could do in the right hands.
never understood the big fear of simple chain maintenance ? its cheap to replace easy to change gearing and simple as heck to take care of whats the fear about ???? aside from being the most efficient way to transfer power by far
@@BigRockMoto i would wager big that the vast majority of motorcycle travelers (90%?) are like me in that they are not able to go for long enough to require much if any chain maintenance mid trip often if ever before having to go back to work or engage back in your normal life
Excellent review and is consistent with my own personal or observed experience. When one is touring from California to Colorado the big GS is the most popular bike by a wide margin among adventure tourers.
I noticed you camped in the left lane on the highway as others have to pass you on the right. Why do you do this?. I canl’t emphasize just how annoying this is when you and those like you do this. SLOWER TRAFFIC USE RIGHT LANE. I totally disagree with your reasoning being it was a filming technicality. All it does is make you look bad and if you’re in cruise control with all those lanes empty on your right your reasoning doesn’t stand up.
That is one sweet looking Klim Carlsbad kit. Excellent update Ian. Love that you mentioned the GSA as a great alternative to the RT and Gold Wing. Also known for their legendary mile munching comfort. The GSA brings with it the perfect all round, all roads motorcycle. The ADV market is quickly evolving with technology. As Ducati and Triumph have recently demonstrated with the push for adding dynamic cruise control and blind spot indicator mirrors. Also trimming weight from large displacement bikes. I have a feeling in 2023 BMW will be taking this already great bike to another level. Thanks for the time and work put into this review and all your videos. You definitely have found your niche. Ride safe and ride often.
If you're being passed on the right, (like you are numerous times) get the fuck over! As a So Cal bike rider you are the problem if you are going slower, no matter what the speed of traffic, in the fast lane (#1 lane).
Great video. IMO BMW has built a bike for the type of riding 99% of buyers will actually do with it. As for the Goldwing comparison. While I haven't rode a Goldwing I think a lot of people are buying them for passenger comfort. And while I'm sure a GS can handle a passenger just fine lets face it. Here in the US a LOT of those passengers will be, lets just say overweight. I can't imagine a overweight couple trying to board a big tall adv bike. Just walk threw Walmart and imagine the people your seeing trying to climb on the back of that GS. Easier to buy a large, low touring bike than put the wife on a diet!
I mean lets be honest. Do to age, physical fitness, etc a lot of passengers won't be joining their partners if they feel like they have to be a gymnast to get on the bike. And a lot more may do it once or twice then choose to opt out. Way different than your partner looking forward to hopping on a touring bike and spending a weekend in Tahoe or going to lunch in the mountains. And most people who have the financial means and freedom to buy a 25k bike and go touring aren't in their 20's and at peak fitness.
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I’ve (we’ve) been riding our 2010 GSA here in Western Australia for almost all of its lifetime . I want to commend you for an accurate, realistic and comprehensive review. As I’m sure you appreciate, what makes your reviews substantial is the commentary....not just mildly interesting video. The concepts you focussed on in the review were entirely appropriate.....but I’d like to add a word that I think is key to the review....VERSATILITY. We use our bike on tarmac highway, paved backroads, gravel roads, easy dirt roads. We’ve done camping trips towing a trailer, long highway trips and everything in between..... but we don’t do ‘technical’. This is without doubt the most versatile motorcycle I have ever ridden. Love that BMW!
well said!
Have to agree. I own this exact bike and after having garages full of Harleys, crotch rockets, dirt bikes and ATVs…she does it all. Bikes are like boats…not one will do everything but if you find one that does a little of everything is priceless
I have a 2010 too. I have ridden it for three years now. Of course there are improvements on later models but the fact is that you get an awful lot for your money if you buy a second hand 1200 GS in good shape. It is an amazingly good bike!
Absolutely spot on. This is by far the most versatile bike I have ever owned. Yes it is big and heavy and yes, I don’t due super technical on it, but other than that, it can do just about everything I need. Well balanced review!!
I'm riding GSA 1200 K25 and I am with you on this one. Owned many bike but he is the best for me. I'm also 6'5 and 106kg so it's a perfect bike for me
Took my GS loaded with luggage down the Pinkham Jeep trail in Joshua Tree yesterday. Worked great until I hit the foot deep sandy gravel. There was no way to go fast enough to float the front & if you did it would try to climb out of the tire ruts & tip over. Finally I got it stuck to the center stand. Luckily for me 2 dirt bikers came along and helped me push it out & turn the big girl around. Who ever you guys are, thanks a million. I at least owe you a dinner & beer. Suffice to say I found the bikes & my limits. Open sand with room for speed would work, but add wheel ruts & no way. I did at least 6 GS dead lifts. Sadly the showroom shine is no more.
wow, good story. i will avoid that trail!
@@BigRockMoto Bit of a lesson on riding alone. (That we all know of course.)
When people pass you on the right, your going too slow in the fast lane.
When the reviewer's damn honest and level-headed you want him to review everything in life for you!
This is without a doubt the BEST R1250GSA review I have seen to date! I pickup my 2022 R1250GSA on Wednesday and have been looking for a video just like this to enjoy as I impatiently wait. I’ve watched many of your other videos and appreciate you putting so much time and energy in to each and every one.
This video though is just perfect!
thanks
I had a 1100GS back in 97 and loved it. The telelever suspension gave me a lot more confidence for higher speed twisty riding with its ability to alow you to brake hard in a corner if needed. That had no ajustable ride modes, so there was less to go wrong electronically. After 100 thousand miles the only problem was I had to replace the front main seal after it started weeping. I no longer ride as I had my left leg amputated, but if I did I would choose another GS. GREAT BIKE
Wow -- that escalated quickly!
James, if you want to ride again, you might be able to ride a Honda Africa Twin with DCT, no gear changes with the left foot?
If I were you James, I’d check out one of those Can-Am Spiders. You can get them used for a pretty decent price now that they’ve been out for a good while. It’s a reverse trike design, so you get the motorcycle feel, but don’t have to worry about tipping over.
Damn sorry to read about your leg. You might like to get one of those three wheeled bikes to feed your passion. Take care.
Hey James, my uncle lost his left leg and now rides a 300 vespa with the changes in the handle. Also Honda has DTS. I hope you get back in the saddle one of this days.
Ian, I have watched you for some time now and have really come to appreciate your ability to give honest reviews and other info that riders need to know about.
thanks
Agreed Ian is the king of reviews .
Out of all 13000 GS videos on TH-cam you’re the only one to say so succinctly “ Enduro mode is for street tires and Enduro Pro is for dirt tires”. Thank you.
This was the exact review I was looking for, so thank you! It's taken me owning 4 Adventure touring bikes to realize I really need an adventure Touring bike. 500miles a day on a drz400 is possible, but not easy to do back to back to back.
I'm going to go pick up some aluminum cans every weekend for the next 5 years until I can afford this bike.
Where are you from? Seems like these motorcycles are expensive in the countries they are manufactured in..??
Seeing a review after long term use makes all the difference. I really appreciated your honest advice about the technical off-road use of this, or any, heavy bike. I tend to go off by myself a lot and that's important caution for me. Sounds to me like you'll always have at least one Beemer in your stable!
Stable? I keep my horse in a stable....
My pleasure!
What about the seat height, the skinny foot pegs, and missing sound system? Touring requires better amenities in all these areas and more. I like the GS but I can only afford one bike so I need a tourer.
Really good reviews.
Now I am really convince to trade my R18 to GS because of versatility. Well taught 👏.
Good job 👍🏻
@@charleschilders6388 Easy fixes - get a pair (out of bazillions of choices) of wider foot pegs to your liking (me, I'm a fan and lover of the Pivot Pegz MK4's - nice and wide AND pivot foot position when needed) and even better choices for in-helmet sound systems without all of the extra road/bike/traffic noise! Go Cardo Edge!
This is a terrific style of review or a bike like this. Relevant narration while executing various tracks and in detail on the go. I have been a GSA rider since I got on my first early 90’s airhead 100GS. Snapped that thing up quick, lol. After a run of Harley’s, in 2003 I jumped onto an 1150GSA and love was born, lol. I put 135,000 on that bike (I think it was like 134,500) and it was still running great when I sold it. A little worn out, but still running perfectly.
The most important thing to point out for touring folks, I feel, is this. I’ve had a Harley Ultra Classic and Road Glides and can say definitively that the GSA is THE bike for repetitive really long hauls. The Harley touring bikes have a feeling all of their own that simply cannot be replicated and I will never have just one bike in the garage. There will ALWAYS be a Harley ground pounder in the mix. A few actually, lol. But the ergonomics and ride quality soaking up a bazillion bumps perfectly all day long, day after day, make the BMW GS Adventure bikes the king of the road for constant along haul riding. I’m a pretty big dude at 6’2” and 250lbs. I’ve done this sort of riding on my Goldwing, my Ultra Classic, and my BM’dub and the GSA left me generously willing and able to enjoy an evening out after the days ride more often than not. Although ripping the fire roads is just a liberating feeling of freedom, even if the off-road capabilities weren’t ever going to be a reality for someone looking for a touring bike, I would STILL pick the BMW GSA as the best long haul touring bike for me if it was a solo arrangement. No doubt. Yes, the Ultra and the Road Glide are terrific when it comes to roominess when hauling another rider with gear and having that mountain of torque to pull you along like you were connected to a Peterbuilt 379 tractor, lol. But if you are going the along hauls solo, do yourself a favor and grab that GS Adventure as your touring horse buddy. Seriously.
Excellent review of the bike my friend!! 👍🏻😎👍🏻
You are seriously the best when it comes to reviews.
Your review and comments are spot on! I have a 1200GSA and love the bike. The longest trip I’ve taken in the bike was 7,500 miles up into Canada. However due to my age of 64 and not going off road anymore, I just put a deposit on a new 1250 RT. I just hope I don’t regret giving up the versatility of the GSA. I enjoy watching your videos!
How did you do this summer with your RT? I purchased my ‘22 RT last Spring and enjoyed it all Summer. The ONLY issue I have with it is the rather cramped leg position. Every 2.5 hours I need to get off and stretch my legs. I am thinking of a ‘23 1300 GS when they come out, but will have to determine if the GS is worth it when it is released.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 I went from a GS to an RT and I found the seating position cramped, too. The fix for me was Illium bar risers and peg lowering. I also ordered a seat from Sargent that was 1” taller than stock. Problem solved.
@@limadelta2 Thank you for the reply. I have the Weltmeister peg lowering kit and will install it soon. Hopefully that gives some relief. Ride safe.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 Sure will try to. Enjoy your RT
Fantastic review and I really appreciate it.
The GSA is hands down my favorite motorcycle out there. Nothing compares to the all around capability of the motorcycle.
The biggest issue is the price tag and it's the only reason that would prevent me from getting too aggressive on off road because who wants to risk dropping such an expensive bike?
Just love the bike.
Agree the price and main dealer servicing costs
KTM is close ?
@@AshHallsDepends on what you want. If you love torque in low rews, shaft drive and telelever, KTM is far away from being yours.
Excellent review. I have a 2018 GSA (and several other motorcycles). It is pretty difficult to find a better all-rounder. My other bikes all have something they do better but none are as versatile. So many short term reviews concentrate on things that really don't matter too much after you ride one for a while and then ignore the things that start to become a bigger issue (or not) with long-term ownership. Press reviews, even long-term ones, are never the same as owner reviews so thank you for being different.
The more gadgets you get with a bike ,the more you lose your piece of mind,happiness through simplicity, I'm not against technology and evolution, I'm against the marketing wars forced on us!keep on riding!!!(your reviews are getting better &better)
I used to also think that. But with a GS you can have music and commands in your helmet. And it connects to my phone…love that feature.
In 98 I got my first BMW with ABS, saved my life on a wet day…
So…maybe tech isn’t that bad 😁
I have a 2008 GSA. Bought it new. My 3rd BMW (2 air heads prior). The air heads were the most reliable bikes I have ever owned. The GSA is the least. Constant fiddly problems - mainly with fuel system. I bought a T7.
This is the best GS review I’ve seen yet. I’ve owned 2 and am looking at another. Thanks for the candid and experienced commentary.
Well done Ian! Another detailed, thorough and honest review. I’m on my 4th generation GS and they keep getting better. It’s the perfect bike for me as 80% of my riding is on the street/sport touring and the rest light off road. Long live the OG Adventure bike. #BMW #GSA
Thanks for sharing
Easily one of the best reviews I've seen for this bike, and as we all know, there have been a LOT over the years.
Great 'real world' information.
Thanks, Ian. 👍
Better than Missenden Flyer in the UK.
Great review and spot on in relation to the off road limitations (for most riders). Another point when comparing it to road tourers is that it has longer leg room plus the ability to stand and stretch out! A major plus - particularly in hot riding conditions 2 up.
After watching this very through review, a light illuminated in my cranium! I just completed the CDR on a Kawasaki KLR 650. I encountered several GS1200's and typically the riders were older than me. I'm 59. On one particular occasion I was following two late model GS1200's on a very long stretch of Wyoming dual-track desert type terrain and these guys were "getting after it!" I kept up for about 30 miles but continued to fall- back heading into the small desert town of Atlantic City Wyoming.
To my surprise both men were waiting for me with bikes parked and helmets off.
When I arrived they were amazed at my ability to "keep-up?"
After a few conciliatory pats on the back they departed and I was left to lick my wounds of defeat by two older men, (late 60's) and wonder why my skill set was so lacking?
Besides the simple engine displacement disparity the technology on those bikes, for that particular scenario was superior! I was envious!
However, in a later section of the CDR, Idaho, one of these guys was down on the side of the road with a broken collar bone.
Just as you described the fellow washed out the front end on what I'd describe as an innocuous rut. What you described as a lack of positive feedback through the front end was EXACTLY what he said he encountered!
Your reviews are exceptional! Thanks Ian!
By the way your review on the 2022 KLR convinced me to purchase one. 5600 miles of on road, off road, all weather and the motorcycle was bullet proof. You helped me realize a dream I've had for 40 years! Salute!😊
Honestly. I see all these driver modes as a crotch. If you remove all the driving modes, those old guys wouldn’t drive as fast. Take all the driver modes of and they will drive with a 1/3 off the speed they are usual running.
Remove all the driver modes and learn with out.
@@Mr450proYou mean crutch, not “Crotch”. Lol.
Ian, great review and you sum up a lot of my feelings and issues. I have a 2014 GSA that suffered a rusty frame and subframe at 3 1/2 years and barely 4,000 miles. Eventually they were replaced under “goodwill” but not before a dreadful bodge job and a bike returned in a dangerous condition (3 of 4 engine bolts loose) and other parts damaged of badly installed. They refused to consider the poor paint on the rear drive making excuses about water based paint. I would sum up as great sales experience, poor at dealing with quality issues, the head office here in the UK promises plenty and delivers nothing. I like the GSA but not the build quality or BMW’s response to it. Last but not least is the exhaust flap valve, a known weak point on the pre LC bikes. On that series at least easily replaced. On then LC bikes all part of the header and cat assembly. I was quoted £1,800 ($2,500)! I bought a second hand on on ebay for £200 and fitted it myself. Despite my extended warranty it’s not covered. Surprise. I’m going for an Africa Twin 1100 DCT ES after a long time away from Honda. As the song goes, things can only get better…… Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
the joke is that BMW actually means "Bring My Wallet".
You have put only 4k miles on a 2014 GSA?
Thanks for sharing, sorry about the issues. Honda, you won't regret it!
@@lovelessissimo that explains a lot
@@wrangler10 what does that explain? I guess I’m missing it
I’m in love with my 2021 GSA, and ride it daily here around Paris, no matter the weather, even freezing days. You’re right about the weight, but it just the results off all the features that makes this bike so amazing.
Does it do good with wind protection
I'm a new subscriber and I wanted to say that I really appreciate your down-to-earth, concise and no-nonsense reviewing style in contrast to some other channels which seem to value high-strung testosterone-infused A.D.D. friendly production pieces sponsered by Monster energy drinks full of rock music and quick cuts all while lacking any actual good useful information. Thanks for not giving me a headache.
Agree and the point he made that 2% of riders are truly skilled enough to take it on technical trails makes total sense to me. Kudos for those who can do it but that's not most of us. Let's keep it real.
One of the best overall reviews of the GSA, covering all the important aspects of the bike. Thanks a lot & keep up the good work.
This was amazing review. I learned more about the modes than i ever have watching your video (and I own a 2019) i also loved that I am not the only one that tenses up when going on heavy sand or narly off road conditions. That was a great moment when you showed even the great riders have to know their limitations especially when riding alone. Thanks!
The most elaborate overview on the GS. All BMW dealership should direct potential buyers to this video so they can reinforce or dispel customer’s perceptions. This is a 30K purchase, You really need to understand what you are buying than have future buyer remorse.
You don’t need to spend a lot of time to realize the benefits and weakness. I spend a day at the BMW’s Performance Center in SC and was able to attest the facts presented in this video.
But with great success comes serious competition. HD has shown great work for a first attempt. I am looking forward how BMW will respond to the GS’s closest competition, new Tiger.
If the 60K sales numbers for the GS is any indication, the upcoming 1300 will still remain king.
*sees new Big Rock Moto upload*
*sees **44:30** length*
*happy ADV noises*
Stoked for this one, thanks for all your hard work man!
Finally a review that points out the real advantages and disadvantages of a GS. I have seen many reviews and they are talking about the GS like it is a Tenere T7 and a Goldwing all together. Let's tell people the truth. The off road driving skills of videos we see on TH-cam is from drivers they can do things with heavy motorcycle like the GS and the Africa Twin we can only dream of. Great Review. Thanks!
I, like you had felt the same discomfort when taking DL1000 on technical trails. It could do it, but you can get yourself into a situation where your alone, and it would be very difficult to pick the bike up if you're in an awkward position. Other than that, it was an excellent touring bike. I'm with you, get on a lighter bike for more difficult off road trails. The KTM 890R comes to mind.
sadly people are falling for the "scam" of adventure bikes......Too damn heavy to go beyond dirt trails. It's incredibly easy to hit the limit of these bikes off-road, Drop it......now you're fucked.....because you never end up dropping a bike on a flat surface, it's always at a bad Angle....incredibly hard to pick up, even with crash bars.
I picked up my bike two days ago. After going thru two bikes in six months, I test rode this. I bought it. Tenere - gearbox drove me nuts, VStrom 1050XT - ergos cramped my long legs. If I rode this first, I wouldn’t have touched the other two.. not doing enduro tracks, and here in Australia we have lots of really long highways and big, wide open outback roads. It’s perfect for my use.
Nice review. Side point: Here in my state it is a big fine to camp in the fast lane unless it is marked as HOV. The far left lane is used for passing only similar to like the autobahn in Germany.
Heh. I wanted to shout at him to move over. It's one thing to not go over the limit yourself, but you don't need to act as a pace vehicle for everyone else. If they want to speed and get a ticket, that's on them. Stay out of the passing lane. :)
It's not a compelling package if there are no dealers within 200 miles. However, having said that your videos are getting better and better. Thank you for your excellent efforts.
Excellent hands-on review, with all the pros and contras well taken. I did buy the triple black GS last year, though I am a short 5ˋ7 rider. After having dropped the bike my first day out ,i decided to do an Enduro Training session, which immensely boosted my confidence and showed me my limits . There too, i dropped the bike in deep sand but was able to lift it. By the way, the 🆘 did to my embarrassment work. Forgot to shut it. I do love it for touring and country roads and the bike is amazingly nimble once it gains momentum. . Unfortunately, here in Berlin, Germany, there are limited possibilities to go off-road. By the way , i live a few kilometers from the factory where these bikes are put together. Doesn’t make it any cheaper . Thank you for the professional content and presentation. Very fair…
Greetings,Jim
Moin Jim, schöne grüße aus Amerika
@@Beinhartwie1chopper viel Spaß!
I love, how simply everything in your videos is calm and chilled, beginning with this beautiful non-hyperactive, non-orchestral, non-epic lowfi intromusic
This has to be one of the most comprehensive and best reviews I have seen to date of the GS and I’ve watched a lot, thank you so much for your time and effort I’ve subscribed immediately, Grtz from Tokyo, Japan !!
I bought a 1250 GSA on January 17, and now have over 4k miles on it. While most of the miles have been street miles, I’m making it a point to ride trails and dirt as much as possible. Because this bike is so capable as a tourer, I’m selling my Goldwing DCT. Because this bike is so much fun, I leave my 911 Targa 4S in the garage more than I want.
My only complaint is the switch gear. The buttons are cramped, and the wheel on the left handlebar requires too much attention to use while riding. When turning off the cruise control at highway speed (75+mph) the bike’s compression slows the bike as if you have the brake on.
There are other bikes that I’ve ridden and liked, but I have no regrets about buying this bike, and I look forward to riding it more.
good points. I'll take that 911 off your hands if you want. :)
One of the honest review i had about the gs. Perfectly explained from a ordinary rider prespective...Thankyou
My pleasure!
Great conclusion. I had an 800GS and I got rid of it because I got tired of paying crazy money for servicing. I'd love to have a 1200GS, but only for road touring!
Mo, how about the 1250?
Good Video. While you touched on the subject of reliability what I find astonishing is how unreliable premium bikes are as compared with the cheaper Japanese bikes. In any comparison I've read Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki occupy to top four slots for reliability while BMW, KTM and Ducati come way down the list so essentially you are paying a lot more money for a less reliable bike that you have to pay a lot more money to repair more often. I think that the mad dash to bolt more and more electronics onto a bike has now passed the the point where it contributed to reliability and safely, and now has got to a point where it's just more to go wrong especially on an adventure bike.
a XR650L could do the job too....but why wear a Casio when you can wear a Rolex? And I don't mean to show off...Rolex/BMW needs more maintenance but it gives back so much more than a Casio. I hope one day you will get it.
I had a R1200R and at 58.000km the fuel pump fell apart. The same problem was already seen in 1990 BMW. models. So think the unreliability is built in. I went back to Yamaha....
@@happyswissjoe funny. I appreciate a Rolex but sending it to Switzerland every few years for an expensive service, not so much. My day to day watch is a Casio. Guess that’s why Im riding a Honda Africa Twin and not a Ducati Multistrada V4s with radar.
@@happyswissjoe It comes down to personal choice at the end of the day, there's no right or wrong answer. Personally I value reliability, and having the bike available when I want to use it rather than in a garage being fixed or stranded at the side of a road. Plus of course nobody will mug you for a Casio.
Currently I ride a Kawasaki concourse 1400. I had a GS . The Japanese bikes are just easy, peasy lemon sqeezy. Just maintain & enjoy. My next bike would be the AT DCT, hopefully it will be a 1250 engine with at least 125 bhp.
Very well said. I just went back to the GS after 3 years on the Goldwing. I LOVE the GS. It is so much fun.
The most comprehensive review I’ve seen yet on a bike, outstanding! Thank you! 🤙💯
About the most sensible, honest and thorough review of the GS Adventure I've seen to date. I've been considering the new Triumph Tiger 1200 but the GS is still right up there.
Hey, thanks for a wonderful evaluation of the BMW 1250 GS. I couldn't have asked for more. Your evaluation was perfect. The pros and cons were on point . Yes, this is a magnificant mortorcycle all around , but it has it''s limitations. You pointed out it's strengths and weaknesses in an exacting manor. Perfect and clearly understood. The GS is a wonderful motorcycle , but not perfect. It does do everything it's designed for in an excellent manor, but it does have it's limitations. All in all a fantastic motorcycle that performs the duties of a few bikes rolled into one. It cannot be smaller or lighter and be a GS. Those are the facts, but if you were to buy a smaller lighter bike than the GS with it's numerous attributes, you would be loosing out in many areas that the GS covers nicely. All in all, one bike cannot do it all, but, the closest thing to that is a BMW, GS , in my humble opinion.
This has to be one of the best, honest, most spot on, GSA (and big adventure bike segment) reviews I have ever watched on youtube.
I've been riding for decades, have owned big 1200size adv bikes, cruisers, sport tourers, super-bikes, mid size adv bikes, all the way down to the small dual-sports.
I agree that these big adv bikes (for the vast majority of riders out there, including myself) are exactly as described in this review, adv-TOURERS, and for real rough terrain riding you want as small as possible as light as possible (ie little crf300 type bike) to be comfortable/confident on (confident that you'll get out there, crash, pickup the bike and get home). You have to be honest with yourself as to your capabilities, the time you're willing to put in to learn new skills and practice (do you actually have the time to do this?)
Extreme examples are out there, people riding the Tenere 700 like a dirt bike (Paul Torres), people riding the CRF300L Rally across South and North america (ItchyBoots).
Anyway, I don't usually post online comments, but I'd like to thank Big Rock Moto for this in my opinion spot-on review of the GSA and big adv bike segment in general.
slower. traffic. keep. right.
To me, the most remarkable thing about my 1250 gs is how light it feels. I've owned quite a few bikes. Everything from old standard bikes from the 80s, cruisers, hyper naked, true sports bikes, and a lot of others. Before buying the GS I owned a Versys 1,000 (and a cbr 1,000) The difference in the feel is night and day. The GS is almost the exact same weight as the versys was. With all the protection and bags I've added, it's probably 50lb heavier. However, the GS feels like it's a 500cc bike ONCE ITS MOVING. If anything, I almost feel like it's too easy to change directions. It feels a bit nervous in the corners. The Versys was FAR from ideal, but it did feel very planted in a corner. The GS doesn't like to hold a line. It wants to go in too much, then you need to pull in back out a hair. That's my experience anyways. Though I do not own the GS adventure, just the standard model.
For the price the bike sells it sure it has everything. There are cars in 2022 that dont have this technology in them. The GS is another prime example of finest German engineering. Too heavy for hard off-roading, but for the road it sure its king.
Great review! The take away is very simple for myself with my GSA, respect your limits and think before you go! Just walk the trail before going in and assess, that's not a competition there's no rush! Never do it alone, which is true for any bike IMO. the whole purpose of owning a bike like this one is to escape life for a couple of hours or days and for this, it's an amazing versatile machine!!
A pretty accurate summation Ian from my experience. I have a few sportbike riding friends that went to a GS for its comfort and road handling with some occational forest and country dirt roads for variety. They love them.
UK BMW customer service is second to none. They always go above and beyond to help their customers.
Going on a Single track with this one is like shooting a sparrow with a cannon
I’ve had many bikes but ever since ‘09 only a GSA (first an ‘09 and now on a ‘15). Best bike for everything, except, as you say, harder trails especially if alone. But this, and some steering feel, are well worth the sacrifice for everything else that comes with it.
Ian, you always do a great job with your videos and reviews, but you have outdone yourself with this comprehensive review of your GS. I had a 1995 R1100GS, it was truly a jack of all trades. That GS was a phenomenal “sport touring” bike. I wish I still had that GS. I just can’t afford a new GS anymore. I’ll keep buying lottery tickets and get a new GS if I win. Thanks again for sharing with us.
30:30 Most important part of video. Jeeze, I can relate to that feeling. I don't think many people have considered the conundrum of getting the bike stuck on the trail. That feeling of being trapped is a horrible feeling, and to know that you have 600 pounds that can't be turned around on the small trail, is really scary! Your advice has made me reconsider the idea of purchasing one of the big bore ADV bikes.
Great review and it's why I bought a used one. It's perfect for my intended use of putting on miles, good road handling and some gravel / easy fire road riding thrown in occasionally.
I used my friend's 1250GS to ride 7 days straight through Europe and I felt very confident on it. Handles great and pack a LOT of power.
Yes! I switched from an RT to a GSA because I have lots of friends who live on ranches and I wanted the somewhat longer legs...if I'd known how good the GS was at touring in the first place I would have had the RT, great bike though it was. For me the GS is a true do everything (that I do) bike, if you have the means I highly recommend it.
I have to admit, this bike is my DREAM bike. I have the 2019 BMW K1600B and if the GS is anything close, it’s heaven. Thank you for the video in that you now have me wanting one even more 😆
Great review Ian...this is my 2nd GSA...I have the 2021 Rallye and am 15lbs lighter after cancer which is making challenging offroad really uncomfortable being very fit prior...I too have reserved myself to service roads.I find after a few adventure riding courses...getting your weight forward and knees hugging the tank will keep you from pulling on the handlebars offroad.On point the comment about the handlebar switches at night. Best review yet...good work Ian.
Glad youre still here after beating Cancer!! the 2021 Rallye is beautiful!!
BMW GS and GSA, three main reasons to own and I own 4: 1) long distance per day comfort, 2) range because I hate stopping for gas and my GSA is good for 350 miles, 3) shaft drive. Plus the other extras such as attention to detail & quality. I use it as a standard motorcycle because if you have been in the dirt with a 250 pound bike, anything heavier is frustrating. I also hate tons of bodywork.
Hey Ian, as usual excellent review, still would like a review of a Super Tenere and compared with a bmw the price is the deciding factor for me. I ride a fjr a d love it but i am planning a long adventure ride in 2023 and would like to buy a super tenere since i trust Yamaha explicitly.... looking forward to that one...
Noted!
Being mostly a street rider, I've always thought "bigger is better," until I started riding trails. I recently upgraded from Yamaha 250XT to BMW F800GS, and I kind of regret it. Don't get me wrong, F800GS is an amazing bike and does great on highways and light dirt, but just like you described it - you naturally tense up, both mentally and physically, when the trail becomes a bit more challenging, and you don't know what's ahead. For years I always dreamed about having a 1200GS, but now that I experienced F800, I think even F650 is plenty when it comes to trail riding. I still might get 1250GS one day, but it will likely be for street touring. Being 6'1, I love the more upright seating position compared my K1600GT.
I would encourage you to think about a 1250gs or KTM 890 ADV R. Those mid weights you mentioned carry the weight much higher. The main appeal with the GS is the super low center of gravity along with the 890S/R. This low center of gravity makes the GS and KTM 890 stand out as really damn capable off road machines. I would argue the 1250gs is better off road than an 850.
You are very fair in your reviews and do them from a very objective point of view. Knowing the suspension short comings of the BMW r nineT Urban GS, I would love to see your review on it and adding your opinion on how much better you think it could be with a suspension upgrade.
Really nice work and a very comprehensive honest description of the bike. I have a 2021 40-year GSA and have had a couple GS bikes in the past. For those wondering how accurate this video is, believe it. This video covers it very well.
A couple minor points:
1. Not all dealers are the same. Some, especially dealers that sell multiple brands, don’t treat customers with the same premier level of service. If you have choices, do some research and pick the better options.
2. The final drive issues are based in reality. These systems had issues in the past that were far more common than they are today. The current design is extremely reliable. This doesn’t mean they are perfect, but keep in mind that stigma with the older designs still lingers. Hint. Watch this channel’s video on cleaning and living the final drive spline. It has good detail, isn’t hard to do and the result is worth the effort.
3. This item is my opinion. I grew up racing MX and riding 250cc and 500cc dirt bikes every weekend. Due to experience, I’m not fooled into believing a 600lb bike is an appropriate off-road motorcycle. It isn’t. As this video accurately states, it is capable to and extent, but far from the best tool for the job. Unfortunately, media these days is flooded with people riding these and other heavy ADV bikes as if they are dirt bikes. I enjoy watching, but I don’t like the idea of thrashing a $25-30k motorcycle just to prove that I can ride it in extreme conditions. Know what you are getting in to. This bike is not a good choice for someone that wants to do a lot of off road riding on rough terrain.
Note that someone will chime in and comment that they ride their GS off road. This doesn’t make the bike the right tool
Would love to hear some discussion on the Super Tenere from you. Not sure the price difference in the two, but I understand it to be a more reliable, simpler, and significantly more affordable alternative to the 1250. Theres no doubt that the BMW is an engineering marvel, but heavy on the electronics and software side. If the Super Ten is thousands less and will last significantly longer ( a la longhaulpaul), would be nice to see if it’s almost as good from a riding perspective. Or, if the value proposition for both are roughly equivalent. Brilliant work Ian
Ian nailed it on the review. I have a Super Tenere and bought that over the BMW for a number of reasons...I found the boxer engine shaky, like it was uneven firing on the cylinders, I couldn't get comfortable with the engine sticking out as my feet were either stuck down or above the heads like I was giving birth. It is literally twice the price of the S10 and same with the accessories. The shaft drive had me worried, a warrantee does you no good when you are in the middle of the mountains with nothing around and it breaks down, plus the cost for regular maintenance was extremely high. That being said the Super Tenere comes up short of the BMW in a number of areas, it is very much an older style with no updates for quite some time, not a lot of electronics on it, suspension is average at best, wind protection is less than the BMW. With all that in mind I am glad that I went with the Super Tenere, reliability was very important to me, I knew I would be dropping the bike a number of times and did not want expensive repair bills and for about $1500 more than the original price I had a dam fine bike that fits me well.
+1 for hearing more from Ian about he Super Tenere. Thanks for mentioning it.
Yamaha never writes me back. Have asked for an ST many times for review
Absolutely fantastic review 👏❤.
Best detailed review on TH-cam
I am from India. My height is 6.4 , I own ktm adventure 390 got one due to the budget constraints. It costs only 4863 US dollars here in India.
Did lot of mods to make this bike more versatile offroad & on road. Practically I feel more confident taking my bike off road due to the light weight of adventure 390. I am happy with my purchase 😊👍
Will you try the new Tiger 1200? Just to hear the differences with this One!
Agreed, and the ktm 1290s
I was going ask the same question. The new Tiger looks very competitive against the GS/GSA bikes. Not sure how Triumph stacks up as far as dealer experience or community that BMW seems to have developed.
yes
@@BigRockMoto I'm really curious how the new tiger 1200 rally explorer compares to this! I'm wanting to buy one this year... GSA or Tiger????
@@Christopher-yh5lh get the GS because how many Triumph dealers are available?
Greetings from Australia, and thanks for an excellent review. Towards the end i noticed you carefully kept the KTM 1290 SAR out of the conversation. It's probably one of the most relevant competitors.
I am 72 and previously rode a KTM 640 Adventure for 40000kms. I had such a good run and adventures with it. I also have a 08 Honda Fireblade 1000rr which I love for road.
With the country's deteriorating roads i wanted something that would fit multiple requirements so i chose to go the KTM 1290 sar and love its all-around capabilities.
My younger brother is a die-hard BMW devotee with a 07 GS and a boxer cup 1100. I have lost count of the time the words " Tele lever".are used in conversation. we have some interesting debates, he is a bigger daredevil and faster rider than me. I say he is a bigger risk taker.
When we ride together, there is always a bit of upping the ante. Lots of fun.
But it's whatever floats your boat. As long as it has two wheels. Cheers.
To me, Adv Touring bikes are what the GS is: Good for touring on paved and dirt/gravel roads. It's not a trail bike.
I use my R1200GS with 90/10 tires (conti trail attack 3s) to mainly tour on pavement with some easy gravel roads thrown in. If I'm thinking of less touring and more dirt, I have a 790 adv R for that. For the really rougher stuff I have a WR250R that I'll trailer and ride as a day rider. I'm leaving for Florida this week and I'll be on the GS. There for no doubt in my mind on which bike I was planning to take on this trip. This is my 4th GS.
1200, 790, 250. perfect combo
On my 06' R1200GS I put 18,000 miles, 07' RT 12,000 miles, 11" R 27,000 miles, and now my 20' R1250R with 10,000 miles since December and not one final drive issue, or ANY OTHER issue with any of these bikes. They have simply been flawless.
Another really good, fair and thorough review. As interesting as this bike is, I prefer the known reliability and huge cost savings I enjoy with my used 27,000 mile 2015 Super Tenere ES. I paid less than $9k with crash bars, tail case, etc. I have ridden it 13,000 miles in 9 months and have enjoyed doing basic maintenance myself. I feel I made the right choice for me.
I am curious what tires you have on this bike?
Dear sir, once you OWN a GS/A you will never go back to the Tenere or any other bikes. It's a curse. Good curse.
@@happyswissjoe I have had the opportunity to ride a friend's GSA Rallye a couple times, it's a great bike. With the ongoing costs and reliability issues I have witnessed I prefer my Yamaha. To each their own~
Yeah I was on the same boat before pulling the plug on the Super Tenere (I have the 2012 model). My mechanic told "if you wanna visit me regularly go for the GS...if you get the Tenere I will miss you a lot"...I think F9 reviewed it in a very fair way: it does everything you are expecting it to do with ease and lowest maintenance cost yet very boring...I wish Yamaha could invest more in integrated solutions such as a comprehensive dashboard that can be linked to a dedicated gps controllable from the handlebar switches...pretty much the same way BMW does...otherwise when I ask an old rider who did 4 continents on his 250cc bike...he responded saying that today riders are so spoiled that they spend less time riding and more time arguing on brands, accessories, etc...
Hi Todd ,hope you well.I am new rider and plan on purchasing a bike for myself.I am looking at a long distance sports tourer and commuter.Any recommendations (fjr1300 etc). I last rode 12 years ago ,a ZZR 400.Thnx. Gents please feel free to comment and guide.
@@kidronreddy1671 I can only speak from my experience as a really tall guy with very few realistic motorcycle options. My KLR650 was good to find out that I needed a V-strom650 for 2up riding that led me to my present bike, the Super Tenere. The Yamaha best suits my needs, anybody else would have a different experience, I loved all three bikes. The best bike for you is the one you can't stop looking at, riding, and lovingly wrenching on. Not a great answer, but that was my journey. Best wishes, ride safe!
Very honest appraisal of the gs. Good advice for all of us who might think we can go anywhere and do anything on a big adventure bike. Still I think it’s king of the bike world.
Outstanding review.Just a note on the Drive Shaft.On the 1K 1st service make the guys open the Drive Shaft and make sure it is greased properly and thereafter every 10k service.You will find it will last a life time unless you do a lot of water crossngs then check it more often.Thanks.
Did you have them do both ends or just the back end?
@@Hogdriver88 Check front and back to start off so you know your starting point is good.Then you will get a sence of its state when you open it next.The shaft is not greased well from the factory in my experience.
@@brucekendall52 My thoughts as well… thanks 👍
Well, after watching all your videos. I just bought a 2015 1200gsa and I love it. I have a few different bikes. But, I just love getting on the GS it’s so comfortable for me as a taller rider.
Great review. I liked the explanation of the riding modes and the emphasis on “little ‘a’, big ‘T’” - that is how I would be using it. Look forward to the accessories video. Do you have the dealer do the scheduled major maintenance intervals with your own extra oil changes thrown in - do they do it all - do you do it all? Without the GS-911 tool it seems that service reminder on the TFT would be annoying.
Thank you, a perfect review that has re-confirmed this IS the bike for me. I'm planning a lot of tours across Europe culminating with the big one (Canada to Argentina). So over the next 4-5 years this bike and I are going to get to know each other well. Two things i am going to do now is 1) a course on bike mechanics 2) advanced of road use course. Thanks again, a really clear, well put together review, delivered at the perfect level. Cheers. Angus (UK)
For those of you who like wrenching on your bikes, this might not the bike for you. I remember reading that BMW does not sell shop manuals for the new(er) models anymore. This is a complex bike and you will not be able to perform repairs w/o proper information. Unfortunately BMW seems to have turned against the right to repair.
But chances are that, if you have the money for such an expensive bike, you won't mind their overpriced repair/accessory bills.
Thanks, as always, for another great video. I traded-up from a GS Urban to a GSA and it was like going from a Suzuki Jeep to a Range Rover. Such a plush ride. But also I find I feel far more confident on the GSA. Super-smooth power delivery, a commanding riding position, and great handling. I'm sure the bike will do far more than I'll ever ask of it but even if I don't cross continents I will be enjoying every moment I'm on it. Cheers.
Really good review.
I have done the demo and like the GS but after a lot of thought I'm on the fence with the asking price. I rode my 1000XT from South Florida to Tennessee last year and can't help but think $12K gave me the same experience $25K would. This Suzuki seems bulletproof for those that have traded is it really worth the extra cash?
I owned a 2016 V Strom 1000 and have ridden the 1200 and 1250 a fair bit. The V Strom is a good bike, and I imagine that the XT is even better.
The GS is really, really good. The 1250 is a genuinely quick bike and the handling is superb. The V Strom was an easy bike to ride but the GS is absolutely effortless. It’s twice the price of the V Strom. It’s not twice the bike, but it isn’t far off.
I have a $10k used Africa Twin that I like alot, how much better would a $25k new GSA be? Maybe 10 or 15% better. But GSA would still take me to the same places. Sounds like your in the same place.
Still have my VSTROM 1000 2002 model. Have it 14 years. Total cost around 8 to 9 thousands. Never opened the motor still playing with BMW gs on the street.
Used, low mile GSAs are available for $15k. That's the way to go. The GSA NOT worth $25-27k.
I would suggest a used GS/GSA. You can get those for 15-20k depending on year, model, condition and mileage. Those are well worth the value and the owners have taken the light deprecation hit. GS bikes hold their value very well and for good reason. My 2018 GSA Rallye with 18k miles retails for about 18-18.5k in the used market currently. Most other bikes with that mileage and year age would depreciate much more, including that Suzuki you mentioned. If you can save a few extra grand more, get a used GS/GSA. You will not regret it for 85-90 percent of the riding you do. I do technical stuff so it’s a challenge, but that’s the one area it struggles. It does everything else VERY WELL. If I could only have one bike, it would be a GS/GSA.
Great video
I have a 1250 GS as well, I’m not as skilled on dirt. But 100% agree I happily took the trade off over a luxury turning to have that off road capability. The GS was my seventh brand new bike I have bought and
Here In Australia the experience with BMW was way better than all the rest of brands that I had.
And also Australia IS an ADVs paradise!!😀😀
@@MRGS48 shame I’m terrible on dirt 🤣
@@nickfozouni8126 same here hated dirt bikes cause back then the were mostly two stroke which resulted in a very stinky ride!!🤣🤣
Too many cars passing on the right...(unless you're recording in a UK territory) So - which is better? 1 BMW 1250GS ($26K) or 2 Husqvarna Norden 901s (@ $13K ea)?
Hahah--exactly, my man! Or maybe a WRX car.
Excellent review, I will say the best hones and comprehensive review in the net. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it.
I used to have an R1150 GS and was very happy with it tou2 up.
It seems to me that the 1200GS (2017/18) and this 1250 will be the best out there for those over 60 who would like to hit the roads and see the countries.
Cheers from Tasmania
I'm sure after owning this beast for a few years and putting a few miles on it there will eventually be an electronics issue with it..because it's mostly electronically controlled and so complex and hence expensive to repair..Simpler is better for me..a machine I can fix myself.
Personally I like the electronic aids
@@gbner9991 I'm an Avionics Aeronautical Engineer..My work for the last 35 years involves MOSTLY economic replacement not repair of VERY EXPENSIVE Airplane instrumentation..so I know that in time with alot of use and high frequency harmonic vibration electronics WILL FAIL eventually...and a bike or car are prone to MORE vibration than any Commercial Airliner.
@@mikemerrill175 Until you have to pay to get them repaired or replaced because they stopped working.
The best Bike review I've ever come across online, unbiased review, clear visual and audio. Kudos you have done well!
Fantastic review, as a GSA owner for the last 5 years all the points Ian talked about were spot on !!! And for some of us more into heavy off roading the GSA it’s completely capable but I highly recommend to take a class for off-roading designed for large bikes and most of all… don’t be afraid dropping the motorcycle - it will be ok, it’s amazing how much punishment they can endure just make sure you are a bit fit, as Ian mentioned the bike it’s heavy so be prepared and enjoy off-roading .
Off roading is physical hard
any shaft drive issues as mentioned in this video?
Super super video. We moved back from Germany recently and I miss my BMW. My off road days are pretty much over as I'm 62. I had a Multistrada and I got caught in a rut on a hill. It took me an hour to get the bike up. Now it's long highway rides, in and around town riding with our kids. I'm only 5'6" but I've had a 1200 and other big bikes, so it's all technique and balance maneuvering the bike. There are a few you tube videos for us vertically challenged people and riding big adventure bikes. Again, great video!
At 32:00 you just need to lean the bike over, then spin the wheel around until you do a 180 degree. Remember to look in the direction where you are going. I know the Big Rock guy can do this, but this is more for other viewers reading this and maybe thinking that the GS is hard to turn in situations like that.
I have now owned three GS’s in a row, and there’s a clear reason why that you mentioned. It’s a jack out all trades bike, it can be thrown around in the twisties and will show up a lot of sportier bikes, you can also fully luggage it up and go touring, with the ability to go down the odd dirt track in the process. I used to change my bikes almost every year to two years and I don’t feel the need to do that with the GS.
Undoubtedly an excellent machine, but too expensive for most and quickly becomes too heavy. Really an excellent paved road, forestry trunk road type bike. The drive shaft issue is disappointing for a bike this advanced.
Just read this review today. I have been in a winter GSA mood, but watching your video gave me pause. I still think someday I should own one, but the off road part of your video about getting in over your head while riding solo brought me back to reality:) Still think my 2022 KTM 890r is the perfect fit for me. Years ago I did an adventure bike ride in northern Baja over a weeks time. Quite a few BMW GS bikes and most of the riders struggled with the size and weight off and on during the week. I was on a KTM 690r which was like cheating. There was one rider who was fairly short and was on a big GS Adventure. Seemed like a huge mismatch but he road great with zero issues all week and then rode the bike back from the Mexico border to Canada. Very impressive rider and showed what the bike could do in the right hands.
never understood the big fear of simple chain maintenance ? its cheap to replace easy to change gearing and simple as heck to take care of whats the fear about ???? aside from being the most efficient way to transfer power by far
people don't like adjusting cleaning and lubing while traveling
@@BigRockMoto i would wager big that the vast majority of motorcycle travelers (90%?) are like me in that they are not able to go for long enough to require much if any chain maintenance mid trip often if ever before having to go back to work or engage back in your normal life
@@BigRockMoto i understand the sentiment i suppose but dont see it being relevant in practical application
Excellent review and is consistent with my own personal or observed experience. When one is touring from California to Colorado the big GS is the most popular bike by a wide margin among adventure tourers.
I noticed you camped in the left lane on the highway as others have to pass you on the right. Why do you do this?. I canl’t emphasize just how annoying this is when you and those like you do this. SLOWER TRAFFIC USE RIGHT LANE. I totally disagree with your reasoning being it was a filming technicality. All it does is make you look bad and if you’re in cruise control with all those lanes empty on your right your reasoning doesn’t stand up.
True, he needs to leave the lane clear for aggressive speeding bullies.
That is one sweet looking Klim Carlsbad kit. Excellent update Ian. Love that you mentioned the GSA as a great alternative to the RT and Gold Wing. Also known for their legendary mile munching comfort. The GSA brings with it the perfect all round, all roads motorcycle. The ADV market is quickly evolving with technology. As Ducati and Triumph have recently demonstrated with the push for adding dynamic cruise control and blind spot indicator mirrors. Also trimming weight from large displacement bikes. I have a feeling in 2023 BMW will be taking this already great bike to another level. Thanks for the time and work put into this review and all your videos. You definitely have found your niche. Ride safe and ride often.
thanks!
If you're being passed on the right, (like you are numerous times) get the fuck over! As a So Cal bike rider you are the problem if you are going slower, no matter what the speed of traffic, in the fast lane (#1 lane).
Really appreciate your honesty..... great review and has helped me a lot as an old man trying to decide about trying BMW for the first time .
Glad to help
Great video. IMO BMW has built a bike for the type of riding 99% of buyers will actually do with it.
As for the Goldwing comparison. While I haven't rode a Goldwing I think a lot of people are buying them for passenger comfort. And while I'm sure a GS can handle a passenger just fine lets face it. Here in the US a LOT of those passengers will be, lets just say overweight. I can't imagine a overweight couple trying to board a big tall adv bike. Just walk threw Walmart and imagine the people your seeing trying to climb on the back of that GS. Easier to buy a large, low touring bike than put the wife on a diet!
I mean lets be honest. Do to age, physical fitness, etc a lot of passengers won't be joining their partners if they feel like they have to be a gymnast to get on the bike. And a lot more may do it once or twice then choose to opt out. Way different than your partner looking forward to hopping on a touring bike and spending a weekend in Tahoe or going to lunch in the mountains. And most people who have the financial means and freedom to buy a 25k bike and go touring aren't in their 20's and at peak fitness.
nice bike. if you want one get VFR1200X