Well, yeah. But I'm talking about movie wise, or what the style the techniques might have represented, or something of the sort.. But, you do have a point there, and I should thank you for pointing that out
For the people who are saying how Jet Li isn't using Jeet Kune Do, you clearly don't know anything about this movie. This movie, "Fist of Legend" is a loosely based remake of Bruce Lee's "Fists of Fury", in which Jet Li is playing Lee's character. In Lee's movie, Jeet Kune Do is used, and so Jet Li felt he should, as well. Jet Li has done research on other styles, not just Wu Shu.
He's in fact using all of unarmed Budo, not just the ones you listed. Aikido is an evolved form of the more brutal Aikijutsu which is very closely related to most Japanes martial arts. Many of the wrist, throw and lock techniques used in Aikido today can also be found commonly in Jui-Jutsu but also in high level Karate. Go high enough within any budo and you will find the common ground.
@Dobbersky I know, but Bruce Lee used very little special effects. The only thing he used (not counting fake blood and props) was slow motion (to see his moves better) and whatever he used to make it look like he did a really high kick in that one movie.
Yes it is. Although Ninjtsu is a subculture within the japanese martial arts, it does have quite a few common points. Also, look at the blindfold footwork, the stone trick and the standing foot on foot lock. These are typical Ninjutsu techniques. This fight, this entire movie "Fist of Legend" is one of the greatest, perhap even the greatest martial arts movie ever made because of how they include parts of every martial art known to man. Or almost. You just need to know how to look for it.
All this time I thought Jeet Kune Do was simply a style that is derived from all other styles. Like Jeet Kune Do is inspired from the other styles you learned. Like, how Jet Li's is inspired by Wushu.
The first of legend...a remake of bruce lee's Fist of fury i think. This is my all time favourite film. i watched it like over 50 times already and still love it.
I never was much for karate, but I've always admired this fight scene. The japanese guy really portrays what karate (or any martial art) is supposed to be. fast and agile. I would say karate in this case is pretty comparable to chinese wing chun gong fu! Which I am partial to.
@Supes9780 Chinese Connection was originally called Fists of Fury when it was released in China. It is kinda funny that this movie takes place before Karate came to Japan, and obviously before the creation of jeet Kune Do. Jet Li is using is Wushu training and the other gentleman is using some interesting techniques, some of which are actually karate.
The guy in green is a karate and jujutsu black belt whose name escapes me atm. He was in a billion kung fu movies as the bad guy in the 70s/80s. However, it's a -movie- and most of this stuff is being made up by a fight choreographer, who is slinging together anything that looks cool regardless of style, so you really can't point to movies usually and say, "Oh that's X not Y."
@YajimaKenji I'd say he means the "karate" master is using Koryu. as in the Koryu arts of Ju jitsu and okinawa te. which was Karate as it was trained and used pre 1920.
the fight is realy cool and the badage they wear is an exercise used in varios styles like Wing Chun as well in Jeet kune Do i karate in Wu Shu styles ect. so this fight is not about "if someone is pointing a gun at your face you should put your bandage right now and start fighting" . It is all about the sense if touching hearing and reacting to your oponent(pretty much like the Jedi in Star Wars :) ).
Yes they are in fact using Karate. In fact they are using a great many various facets of Budo and Kung-Fu. Also, see the boxer stance Jet takes, the "What style is that?". My guess since it's placed in 1930s is it's Savate or an adaption of classic Europeean boxing.
I agree with wayoftheforesthand, this movie shows that all arts are the same, just simply an "expression of the human body"; and therefore, no art is better than the other, its dependant on the practitioner: wheter you are MMA, Kung Fu Traditionalist, Wushu,Karate, Taekwondo. If you don't practice correctly and diligently, ur gonna get ur ass whoop in the streets or anywhere.
The master *usually* retains something extra and that is really part of the human condition. When teaching martial arts becomes a business transaction it is not reasonable to expect the same bond of trust, so martial arts taught in schools around the world will not really give you the true art. Some individuals can transcend ethnic boundaries through their character but I truly believe that some secrets are still rarely, if at all, passed on outside the native land of the art in question.
Best I can make out, the in the Hamaka is using a hard style of Aikido, a striking-based style of Jujutsu(Jujutsu has over 750 different styles) or ninjutsu(which is Chinese based)
@fishertg Funny you say that, because karate has its roots in Southern kung fu. But to clarify, speed and agility are really aspects of Japanese style of karate. Okinawan karate emphasis more in-fighting, grappling, pressure point/joint manipulation. Mind you, all these aspects are in all karate, it's just Japanese and Okinawans styles emphasize different things.
i hate those titles like "Kung fu vs. Karate". In this case it should be "Two good fighters testing their abilities" instead. As any good master says, everything depends on the fighter, not on the art. Some people seriously should learn that.
This is everything martial arts all in one - not just Wushu. And Wushu is in fact an art form derived from several Kung-Fu schools under chinese communist government restrictions. For a great Wushu movie, see Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon or Flying Daggers. You don't see all that much of it in Fist of Legend.
@rinwhr You don't understand. I wish the owner of this video would of have shown most of the parts after the fight when Jet Li's opponent told him ''if you learn to be fluid, to adapt, you would be unbeatable'' what he means is that the more styles you adapt into your fighting system, than you'll become a much stronger opponent. And as you see in this scene, the karate dude was adapting Jet li's techniques, which was very smart of him because he must of knew that one style wasn't enough for li
taekwondo came around the earlier than the 50s because it was used in the time of samurai went they would force the farmers into labor. they invented taekwondo do they could defend themselves even at intolerable odds. that's the reason for the high kicks, to kick samurai off their horses. that's also the reason they used kicks because of the armor samurais had because in reality a punch isn't going to do much against solid metal.
@Atya Jet Li is using the traditional art. Not the style of Bruce Lee. Though I do think that if there are any videos with Jet Li wielding Nunchuku, that would be awesome.
I understand all that. And also, Wushu has been around long before the government put restrictions on it. Better yet, if you want to find the true Wushu, you should learn in tradtional schools outside of China
well, maybe we should look at the fight again, because the guy in the green looked like he was using a form similar to Wushu, and considerin his ethnicity, it may have been one of the forms I mentioned
The result is that those black belts probably actually don't know much about the inner workings of the system and won't put up much of a fight in real combat situations. There are Karate masters with the real knowledge who know how to move and use energy very effectively, but don't expect that knowledge to be shared amongst the masses. These secrets are really only passed on in small circles and like it or not, often withheld from Westerners. It's not cool to say it but it's a reality.
Well some master martials artists can dodge bullets from a gun cause they can imagine the trajectory of the bullet based on where nozzle of the gun is pointed so it isn't impossible if thats what your asking. If u wanna kill a true martial artist I think you'll need a automatic gun of a sort like a machine gun
@kokulink Not really, although there is some incorporation of Shaolin Kempo and White Crane Kung-fu in many styles of Karate. Calling it a copy is a bit much.
@DragonAge2k It was a draw, actually. The point wasn't to win, but to help prepare Chen Zen for the kind of fight he'd be facing against the japanese general.
Haha.. that left one was with gray was Japanese martial artist.. probably Aikido, Hapkido or Karate. Jet Li was using Kung Fu, a mix of some martial arts, that is why they say Jeet Kune Do. Indeed Jeet Kune Do was created by Bruce Lee. But the idea is the same in the movie. In the movie Jet Li mixed the sidekick from the Japanese martial arts and some boxing movements.
Notice how there were also some elements of Muay Thai in this fight with elbows and, knees. However it ended up turning into Kung-fu Versus Kung-Fu because, the karate man adapted to Jet-li's style, hence forth mocking him.
karate is japanese, kung fu is chinese, and tae kwon-do is originaly corean. TKD mainly uses feet, as they are longer and more powerfull, and in karate and kung fu there are many styles wich will focus on hand or leg training or both depending on theyr theories. (hands are faster and are less risqué)
@MrHoppers002 Regular Black Belts? Of what style of karate? Every karate style is completely different, with it's own set of fighting principles. For instance, a blue belt in Kyokushin is about the same level of training as a black belt in Shotokan.
@thegamerman7 to be honest bruce lee was probably the best actor aswell i mean im a huge jackie chan fan but he plays the same character in almost all of his movies
Why can't martial arts movies like this be this awesome...........
One of the best fight scenes from any Jet Li movie. Too bad he lost. LOL!!!!
hey, my kung fu master just taught me the proper way of that kneeing strike this morning!
go bruce lee!
This was not Kung fu vs. Karate, this was Kung-fu vs Kung-fu.
Well, yeah. But I'm talking about movie wise, or what the style the techniques might have represented, or something of the sort.. But, you do have a point there, and I should thank you for pointing that out
thank u! best style is no style. style is a set of binding rules. u can work out the rest ur selves
For the people who are saying how Jet Li isn't using Jeet Kune Do, you clearly don't know anything about this movie. This movie, "Fist of Legend" is a loosely based remake of Bruce Lee's "Fists of Fury", in which Jet Li is playing Lee's character. In Lee's movie, Jeet Kune Do is used, and so Jet Li felt he should, as well. Jet Li has done research on other styles, not just Wu Shu.
@seod I totally agree with your comment. Still, I find it ironic that earlier in this movie, Chen Zhen (Jet Li) did exactly that...TWICE!
He's in fact using all of unarmed Budo, not just the ones you listed.
Aikido is an evolved form of the more brutal Aikijutsu which is very closely related to most Japanes martial arts. Many of the wrist, throw and lock techniques used in Aikido today can also be found commonly in Jui-Jutsu but also in high level Karate.
Go high enough within any budo and you will find the common ground.
It is from the "Fist of legend" feature. It is a tremendous good coreagrahpy!!!:)
Cool, the Karate dude was pretty good.
@Dobbersky I know, but Bruce Lee used very little special effects. The only thing he used (not counting fake blood and props) was slow motion (to see his moves better) and whatever he used to make it look like he did a really high kick in that one movie.
Yes it is. Although Ninjtsu is a subculture within the japanese martial arts, it does have quite a few common points.
Also, look at the blindfold footwork, the stone trick and the standing foot on foot lock. These are typical Ninjutsu techniques.
This fight, this entire movie "Fist of Legend" is one of the greatest, perhap even the greatest martial arts movie ever made because of how they include parts of every martial art known to man. Or almost. You just need to know how to look for it.
They part where he says "What style is that" He's doing Muay Thai
pretty good scenes xD
omg Jet LEE : D
All this time I thought Jeet Kune Do was simply a style that is derived from all other styles. Like Jeet Kune Do is inspired from the other styles you learned. Like, how Jet Li's is inspired by Wushu.
The first of legend...a remake of bruce lee's Fist of fury i think. This is my all time favourite film. i watched it like over 50 times already and still love it.
I never was much for karate, but I've always admired this fight scene. The japanese guy really portrays what karate (or any martial art) is supposed to be. fast and agile. I would say karate in this case is pretty comparable to chinese wing chun gong fu! Which I am partial to.
@Supes9780 Chinese Connection was originally called Fists of Fury when it was released in China. It is kinda funny that this movie takes place before Karate came to Japan, and obviously before the creation of jeet Kune Do. Jet Li is using is Wushu training and the other gentleman is using some interesting techniques, some of which are actually karate.
The guy in green is a karate and jujutsu black belt whose name escapes me atm. He was in a billion kung fu movies as the bad guy in the 70s/80s. However, it's a -movie- and most of this stuff is being made up by a fight choreographer, who is slinging together anything that looks cool regardless of style, so you really can't point to movies usually and say, "Oh that's X not Y."
This is my favorite fight scene of all time!!!
Yeah he did. When the old man grabbed his throat. But then again, Jet might have ended the fight earlier when the leaves blew in the old guy's face.
Now I remember: Yasuki Kurata, that's the guy in green.
@YajimaKenji
I'd say he means the "karate" master is using Koryu. as in the Koryu arts of Ju jitsu and okinawa te. which was Karate as it was trained and used pre 1920.
the fight is realy cool and the badage they wear is an exercise used in varios styles like Wing Chun as well in Jeet kune Do i karate in Wu Shu styles ect. so this fight is not about "if someone is pointing a gun at your face you should put your bandage right now and start fighting" . It is all about the sense if touching hearing and reacting to your oponent(pretty much like the Jedi in Star Wars :) ).
Yes they are in fact using Karate. In fact they are using a great many various facets of Budo and Kung-Fu. Also, see the boxer stance Jet takes, the "What style is that?". My guess since it's placed in 1930s is it's Savate or an adaption of classic Europeean boxing.
This is my fave movie of Jet Li.
I agree with wayoftheforesthand, this movie shows that all arts are the same, just simply an "expression of the human body"; and therefore, no art is better than the other, its dependant on the practitioner: wheter you are MMA, Kung Fu Traditionalist, Wushu,Karate, Taekwondo. If you don't practice correctly and diligently, ur gonna get ur ass whoop in the streets or anywhere.
Jet Lii is awesome, he make a great kung fu movies.
this is funny and Kool at the same time...
point taken, over gotten. Hey, i really enjoyed that movie.
dang ... love this one!
Wow, I didn't know either jeet kune do or karate included wirework techniques. >.>
The master *usually* retains something extra and that is really part of the human condition. When teaching martial arts becomes a business transaction it is not reasonable to expect the same bond of trust, so martial arts taught in schools around the world will not really give you the true art.
Some individuals can transcend ethnic boundaries through their character but I truly believe that some secrets are still rarely, if at all, passed on outside the native land of the art in question.
too bad that no one can react this fast so accurately... it would have been awesome if it were a REAL fight, and not just a movie one. ;)
man that was karate vs kung fu
Completely believable in every detail
You can see clearly that the other with gray is using a Japanese style, probably Aikido, Hapkido or Karate.
OMG they're powering up!!
I'm pretty sure this is a remake of that bruce lee movie where he fights the whole karate dojo
Bruce Lee = Best at Fighting
Jet Li = Best at choreography
Jackie Chan = Best at acting
@skateonsurf Ya Bruce was a pretty good actor too. I can watch his movies a thousand times and not get tired of teh dialogue.
that was fun^^ awesome fight!
Best I can make out, the in the Hamaka is using a hard style of Aikido, a striking-based style of Jujutsu(Jujutsu has over 750 different styles) or ninjutsu(which is Chinese based)
they both great and funny :D
@TheMartialartsJedi ...uh... Jet Li is an actor, an action movie actor, which means he knows how to act in every martial arts.
@fishertg Funny you say that, because karate has its roots in Southern kung fu. But to clarify, speed and agility are really aspects of Japanese style of karate. Okinawan karate emphasis more in-fighting, grappling, pressure point/joint manipulation. Mind you, all these aspects are in all karate, it's just Japanese and Okinawans styles emphasize different things.
if the old dude beat jet li, then that means he could have taken out the general guy at the end of the movie
LOL that dabing :D:D
Jeet Kune Do has what every you want it to have.
One of the best!
i hate those titles like "Kung fu vs. Karate". In this case it should be "Two good fighters testing their abilities" instead. As any good master says, everything depends on the fighter, not on the art. Some people seriously should learn that.
This is everything martial arts all in one - not just Wushu.
And Wushu is in fact an art form derived from several Kung-Fu schools under chinese communist government restrictions.
For a great Wushu movie, see Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon or Flying Daggers. You don't see all that much of it in Fist of Legend.
@rinwhr
You don't understand.
I wish the owner of this video would of have shown most of the parts after the fight when Jet Li's opponent told him ''if you learn to be fluid, to adapt, you would be unbeatable'' what he means is that the more styles you adapt into your fighting system, than you'll become a much stronger opponent. And as you see in this scene, the karate dude was adapting Jet li's techniques, which was very smart of him because he must of knew that one style wasn't enough for li
taekwondo came around the earlier than the 50s because it was used in the time of samurai went they would force the farmers into labor. they invented taekwondo do they could defend themselves even at intolerable odds. that's the reason for the high kicks, to kick samurai off their horses. that's also the reason they used kicks because of the armor samurais had because in reality a punch isn't going to do much against solid metal.
@CujoTutina500ftw Yes, jeet kune do IS a mix of martial arts! It is Wing Chun, boxing, European fencing, and Korean martial arts.
WOW!! O_O. How does it end? is it a draw?
@Atya Jet Li is using the traditional art. Not the style of Bruce Lee. Though I do think that if there are any videos with Jet Li wielding Nunchuku, that would be awesome.
I understand all that. And also, Wushu has been around long before the government put restrictions on it. Better yet, if you want to find the true Wushu, you should learn in tradtional schools outside of China
your right because I'm learned karate now that guy uses some blocking positions and the offensive ones
well, maybe we should look at the fight again, because the guy in the green looked like he was using a form similar to Wushu, and considerin his ethnicity, it may have been one of the forms I mentioned
yep, that's jet alright.
The result is that those black belts probably actually don't know much about the inner workings of the system and won't put up much of a fight in real combat situations. There are Karate masters with the real knowledge who know how to move and use energy very effectively, but don't expect that knowledge to be shared amongst the masses. These secrets are really only passed on in small circles and like it or not, often withheld from Westerners. It's not cool to say it but it's a reality.
Fist of Legend.
@fishertg "Wing chun" and "Karate" live in COMPLETELY separate worlds.
Great Vidio dude!! thanks :))
Well some master martials artists can dodge bullets from a gun cause they can imagine the trajectory of the bullet based on where nozzle of the gun is pointed so it isn't impossible if thats what your asking. If u wanna kill a true martial artist I think you'll need a automatic gun of a sort like a machine gun
Jet li has studied many martiaAL ARTS AND I WOULDNT BE SURPISED IF HE STUDIED JEET KU DO even jackie chan has studied it
@kokulink Not really, although there is some incorporation of Shaolin Kempo and White Crane Kung-fu in many styles of Karate. Calling it a copy is a bit much.
too awsome just too awsome!!!
classic..got this on vhs!!
@DragonAge2k It was a draw, actually. The point wasn't to win, but to help prepare Chen Zen for the kind of fight he'd be facing against the japanese general.
That was an awesome fight scene, what movie is this from
lol 3:19 - 3:23 its like aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... wait calm down, calm down
@CujoTutina500ftw It is. If you have watched the documentary on Bruce Lee, you would have known.
Haha.. that left one was with gray was Japanese martial artist.. probably Aikido, Hapkido or Karate. Jet Li was using Kung Fu, a mix of some martial arts, that is why they say Jeet Kune Do. Indeed Jeet Kune Do was created by Bruce Lee. But the idea is the same in the movie. In the movie Jet Li mixed the sidekick from the Japanese martial arts and some boxing movements.
One of the best
Karate always wins just look at the fights or wushu fighters in competitions are really ridiculous compared with those of Karate.
Notice how there were also some elements of Muay Thai in this fight with elbows and, knees. However it ended up turning into Kung-fu Versus Kung-Fu because, the karate man adapted to Jet-li's style, hence forth mocking him.
BoyBlaze2002 lol you talk how if there were not elbows and knees in karate and some kung fu styles
karate is japanese, kung fu is chinese, and tae kwon-do is originaly corean. TKD mainly uses feet, as they are longer and more powerfull, and in karate and kung fu there are many styles wich will focus on hand or leg training or both depending on theyr theories. (hands are faster and are less risqué)
excellent!
dude, it is less deadlier. Its pretty obvious by the techniques in real life kung fu vs. taekwando
@MrHoppers002 Regular Black Belts? Of what style of karate? Every karate style is completely different, with it's own set of fighting principles. For instance, a blue belt in Kyokushin is about the same level of training as a black belt in Shotokan.
He doesnt. he's just emulating brucee lee. this is a remake of fists of fury.
yeah clash contradicts clash so martial arts of different type depends
Looks like a videogame
Fist of Legend
@jaylyn3 nope,I don't see it. Thai boxing uses different axis of movement for it's kicks.
Incrdible movie !!!
Jet Li was using jeet kune do and chinese boxing witch is kickboxing and part of jeet kune do.
is it even possible to fight that fast in that way in real life?
Kung fu owns karate because it was the firtst !!
Hehe...
Your right.
tae kwon do looks less deadlier to kung fu am i right or wrong? can you say your opinion please? and by the way i am hoping you will be objective...
@thegamerman7 to be honest bruce lee was probably the best actor aswell i mean im a huge jackie chan fan but he plays the same character in almost all of his movies
Very entertaining but no Karate at all in this vid.
this is the real fight of KUNG FU vs KARATE. :)
te apoyo hermano el karete es un estilo muy fuerte yo practico muay thai y mi mejor amigo es karateka y es muy fuerte
it means something like "bitch" in gangtas dialect.
erm. . . That'd be Wushu. . .
It sure as hell ain't JkD