What Is Better: Toyota Crawl Control OR Differential Lock? TFLslip Test
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What Is Better: Toyota Tacoma Crawl Control of Differential Lock? TFLslip Test
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A single piece of tape on each tire in a high contrast color would go a long way to show movement at each wheel. The rollers are a neat and simple way to show off these traction aids. Keep up the good work.
And then they could measure how many revolutions it takes to get out of the rollers.
That's why Ken Block's crew (RIP) started painting a single wheel spoke in a different color. It helped the slow-mo cameras pick up the rotations.
@@number1yotaHad no idea Ken Block had died. RIP sir.
Great video, LOVE the slip tests on the different vehicles for comparisons. Would Love to see this test redone with different MTS modes to see if they work like A-Trac
Best part was when Blaze wanted a cuddle. Tommy, your dog 🐕 loves you. Merry Cbristmas to ALL of the TFL crew. I love your channels.
I have the TRD off-road double cab 6' bed and I love it. I really don't go off-road but I do a lot of fishing and camping and sometimes need the crawl or locker and it is nice insurance to get you there and home. Thank you 👍 Fun test 😎
This was the best review of the Tacoma system I have ever seen. Thank you!!! 10/10 quality!!
Probably the best showcase of this Toyota tech. Nicely done!
Nice test Tommy.. TRD off road is the sweet-spot.. change out the shocks and done. Your real world tests show a lot.
Awesome looking truck!
That colour is beautiful, with the black accents
I like this. Would be cool to include the articulation test I believe you used to have. Keep track of all the cars/trucks that go on it.
great video, love your back seat driver!
Would love to see you guys test a G80 on the rollers
now I'm waiting for my trd pro for next month I'm excited the solar octane looks awesome I can't wait
Having both of them is best.
Agreed.2021 TRD OFF ROAD is a blast!!!Dreaming about front locked (electric one)
It's High kick Tommy 👏... HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
Thank you. Been wanting this test to check out the effectiveness of crawl control with no rear locker.
So idea,y you want crawl control and rear locker for ultimate grip.
Beautiful truck. 😍
no on at the dealer could explain the differences for me lol... thanks for the vid!!
These roller tests need to be on an incline!
Would then LOVE to see a roller test shootout between a Toyota, Ford, Land Rover and Jeep to see which system is actually best (plus more? Rivian? Honda? Chevy?)
Nice to know my ‘99 tacoma with a rear locker would cruise right through there. Only ever been stuck once in the mountains with worn toyo mt’s in deep wet snow trying to u-turn on a trail. 4 low, rear locked… I could step out and watch everything working. Was airing down when an old Chevy came up and tugged me out. Momentum is key in snow.
Low tire presure (6psi)..and using gas super carefully without allowing wheels spin. This is the key to snow driving, not momentum. Momentum will only get you stuck more in deep snow.
I would love if you guys compared the entry level 4x4 Tacoma, Colorado, Frontier, and Ranger on the same test. No lockers, just their ALBS.
I dont think entry-level tacoma has crawl control. I could be wrong though
This would be awesome! or even a more loaded model, but not use the lockers? That'd be fine with me too
@@garettjohnson2234 Then that should be a good test.. none of them will have it.. just driver skill..
Bought the 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD 4x4 premium model.
The premium give leather seats but most importantly the 360 camera with MTS and Crawl Control . Did an level 5 off road trail, 40 miles took us 16 hours to complete. The rear locker saved me that day till 4am in the morning.
The truck got a 2 inch lift and added rear AAL .
Never off road alone with the trails are very difficult.
I love these tests. Let’s see that new Prius awd.
I agree locking the rear is very annoying with my Tacoma and only works 50% of the time. I rely on crawl control because it works when I need it and it activates/deactivates instantly. The other thing I do is ride the brake a little if I have two wheels spinning. A lot of times that's enough to push the power to the other wheels and that's even faster. It's great to see and have an example to show of in these situations 4 wheel drive is better than AWD.
A great video! With these roles it's a great thing and absolutely understandable. That's how you understand it. Really well explained. One question. What is the difference between ELSD & LSD? Drive a Grand Cherokee WH, 2008, Quattra Drive II. Thank you.
I think I speak for all of us when I say, we want to see more of the dog included in more of the videos. When I go off roading I try and bring my dog as much as I can. TFL could use a mascot and your dog seems fit to the task lol
Great test! Like a couple other commenters, I use multi -terrain select (MTS) instead of crawl control. In my experience, it has the same effect but you're able to control the speed and thereby make it smoother and it also seems to be quieter. Maybe worth a try on a test sometime. Thanks!
Agreed!! Seems like a "paid" video for crawl control. They don't even mention MTS lol
Agree, I think MTS is a better option than CRAWL. But I guess CRAWL is cool to have just in case
Yup. Thanks for mentioning this. Would have been nice to see how the different MTS settings effect how the truck pulls itself off three rollers.
It looks like ATRAC with variations
Crawl control is cool although I've never "needed" it. Between the locker and A-Trac I've never had a problem. Crawl control works in reverse too.
My main complaint with crawl control -- coming from an '11 FJ that didn't have it to an '18 4Runner that does -- is that the truck sounds like it's tearing itself apart when using it. Where just some throttle application and ATRAC/MTS turned on does the same thing, without all the noise.
Awesome video series. My 4Runner TRD OR has all this but I never really understood it all. Only time I have been stuck is deep sand (dunes). Would love to see some sand tests!
Air down those tires
@@trp2413what is recommended for psi on 33s 35 tires for highway use or city use on trucks
Tommy, I'm curious: with all of the off road systems you've tested (and thoroughly!) which would you spend your hard-earned money on? I know you have your Jeep, but which truck would you prefer (or recommend)?
I would love to see the same tests with GX460's - one with Crawl Control & one without. since neither have locking rear diff but do (if I understand correctly) have ATRAC automatically engaged and have locking center torsion diff I suppose it would be similar to the 4 runner with ATRAC on & Tacoma with Crawl Control on, but would still love to see if there is any difference.
Love to see this test on the rapper with the Torsen front diff
The front MANUAL locking hubs on my 1st gen ( 2000 ) Tacoma 4x4 ( with 3RZ engine ) are worth their weight in gold.
I love my 21 Trd Pro 6 speed manual once OV turned. Redline is set at 7,250 rpm vs 6,300 which really wakes it up. Running Toyota C/T 285/75/16 slight rub need upper control arms. But a very fun truck
Didn’t know the OV tune upped the redline so much. I have a 6MT 22 TRD Pro Tacoma. Has the increased redline effected reliability for you?
I have this exact truck, color & everything. I only have 700 miles on it so I need way more seat time. I'm coming from a 19" Jeep JL Rubicon on 35's and knew exactly what that was capable with the front & rear lockers. Knowing I only have a rear locker on this new truck I am more excited now to learn the MTS. I don't expect to put this truck through what I did my Jeep, mostly because of tire size, but it appears the MTS will be more handy than I expected. Time will tell
MTS is great. I just turn it on whenever I hit the trail. No real reason not to use it. I’ve never needed my rear diff lock, MTS has pulled me up and over everything. Crawl control was used to get me unstuck out of deep sand and deep snow. That’s the best purpose for crawl control.
U can use the rear locker and crawl control together so it pretty much doesnt stop on rocks or rutted inclines but atrac is extremely versatile and is needed for higher reeving or engine tire speed like deep mud and if ur going through deep water with sand or mud underneath crawl only goes slowly and a diff lock doesnt send power around to every wheel x times per second trust me the atrac system is incredible cuz itll figure shit out for u better then just mts and x choice will atrac with a bootfull tries to keep u moving regardless
Great test! Can rav4 hybrid perform similar?
Would love to see this same test with the manual version using A-Trac! Great job as always!
Tommy, great video! I love the slip test with rollers. But, question: does this truck have KDSS? I would love to see KDSS put to the test on some of your high articulation areas on your off road course. But, if it is on this truck, maybe I did see it and just didn't know it?
I dont believe any tacoma has KDSS.
Agreed. But it would have to be a 4Runner. Would love to see a KDSS vs non KDSS video
Multi-Terrain Select has 5 different settings for terrain on the Offroad and Pro in 4lo and can be activated with the rear locker. Way better than Crawl Control. The 3rd gen has been out awhile and it amazes me some don't know how to drive them.
Good video bud. Next time show us some 2wd LSD mode. My 19 TRD OR has gone above and beyond aired down and in LSD mode! Im sure most people dont know about it!
This one was awesome guys! I know you didn't use MTS and just crawl control, but that standardizes everything across attempts at least, and I'm sure videos get too long very quickly. Especially with a toyota that has a million mode combinations. I would love to see a deep dive into the different traction systems between trucks in this format but with just rollers. Anyways, great job on this one.
It’s MTS or crawl control, they can’t activate at the same time.
Sorry if I gave the impression one could use both together, that’s not what I was trying to say. I meant that I understand they didn’t use both in one video, but I would have appreciated seeing MTS instead of/in addition to crawl control. I realize my comment looked silly since MTS is differing degrees of wheel slip while crawl control is just… crawl control, but I was trying to prevent my comment from being too dry. You are correct of course that crawl control is just the speed where as MTS is the degree of slip allowed before “lockup”. If I could get a video of each MTS setting vs ATRAC I would be super happy, but most people would be bored to tears.
@@kevinlabanca5199 nah, I actually think that would be helpful for most people to see and understand how the system works. The dial on the roof changes the speed at which the system locks up. MTS is a great system and all the TH-camrs miss that dial and instead talk about crawl control.
I would honestly love to see where my ATRAC falls in the MTS spectrum. Maybe some day they’ll make a video so we can see.
@@kevinlabanca5199 I had Atrac on my manual FJ cruiser I owned before my Auto Tacoma OR. It worked well, and my guess is it would just be the middle setting on the MTS. But a real test would be nice.
Been wanting this for a while. In 2wd on a minor incline if one wheel was on ice I wasn't able to go anywhere. It required pushing the vcs button and HOLDING it to get it unstuck (in 2wd) This all occured in my driveway so was just experimenting. Bring back the mechanical LSD.
would like to see the slip test on a trd sport 4x4 tacoma. in 4x4 high, it has traction control and in 2x4 it has limited slip differential - how do these work in these tests? Not off road worthy but definalty slick city driving and getting out of slippery situations!
I find myself using the rear locker over the crawl control function pretty much 9 outta 10 times in a sticky situation… with some careful (and thoughtful) planning ahead of the trail, usually can get myself outta the situation with a little throttle management…
Can you use the rear locker and the crawl control at the same time? If so, wouldn’t that “almost” mimic having a front locker as well?
@@DUNEATV honestly… can’t say I’ve ever tried using the two combined… but I can say it wouldn’t exactly “mimic” a front locker, a proper front locker from like ARB or YUKON gears is a night & day difference in any 4x4… especially when traversing up-hill off-road
Would have like to see the MTS system tested also.
The activation delay is really unnerving with this electronic 4WD selectors. On my 2021 Mitsubishi L200 (called the Triton in the US) sometimes it can take up to 30 seconds.
Never found my crawl control to work better than an experienced driver in snow or mud. A vehicle with front lockers was still head and shoulders better.
Does this truck have front lockers?
@@patw9175 No just rear.
Snow and mud is momentum. Crawl control/mts shines on terrain where you have to go slow to avoid damage. Next best thing to a locker.
Yeah because an experienced driver can apply brakes to a single none spinning wheel 🤦♂️
LOL,
Crawl control works great in slow situations & better than any human.
You can’t brake one wheel & you can’t modulate your foot a couple hundred times a second.
I hardly every use my crawl control except for as a DAC. MTS rock and diff lock. Good to see the slip test on the Tacoma! Mine shifts a little better now that it’s broken in. But this truck was always a bit better than the previous one I had. It’s definitely annoying though because one has to anticipate when one will need the diff lock ie before getting stuck. Ideally it would be best to engage the diff locker after becoming stuck.
You could also use MTS. Ryan Douhit said it well. MTS is the next generation of ATRAC.
All the electronics are a massive waste off road when you have lockers. The only electricity you need is the connections between your brain and your feet and hands.
@@phild9813 is that so?? I have a Tacoma and it doesn’t have a front locker and the MTS is pretty good at simulating one. Not everyone has one or wants to get one smart guy.
A front locker would be cool but being an IFS I would worry about breaking stuff more than a solid axle. Kind of dont mind not having one really. MTS does very well on its own.
MTS is awesome and super underrated. I just turn it on before I even get to any tough obstacles. Completely minimizes the drama and climbs like a goat over anything I’ve encountered.
Would like to see this done with the 4runner tRD offroad with KDSS. The rut test that is.
It would be good to test the ability of Multi-Terrain select. Still have to be in 4Lo but not limited to driving speeds.
Tommy has gotten pretty smooth and seems to be a lil more chill on camera these days lol
Did you upgrade the rollers since restarting this series? The old ones were SO loud no matter how much you greased
4wd high has Trac. Works like the lowest setting of MTS. It is likely to be enough to succeed on the rollers and mogul obstacles with light / steady throttle input.
In diagonal test you can use the traction control button to enable auto LSD, it will recognize the one the the 2 rear wheels is slipping and send power to the other rear wheel by braking the slipping rear tire all while staying in 2 wheel drive.
Another thing is the rear locker, it's 100% normal for a rear locker not wanting to engage just sitting still. If you are on a slippery surface do figure 8's to engage the rear locker, if you are already on a hill in a bad spot keep giving small amounts of gas to cause one of the wheels to slip and it will engage with a clank (that's normal).
Modern 4x4s have come a long way and are super capable stock. If, however, your 4x4 is a 72 Jeep Commando, mods are required. That said, locker in rear and a e-locker in the front takes me places I really shouldn't go with the advantage of old school simplicity.
I love my Taco, TRD Sport, 6 Speed manual, limited edition white, leather, sunroof. Fits both my 450's all our camping gear, my two boys and are dog. She's tight,but we love it.
hey tommy, try a "manual crawl control" one of these times. use your left foot and apply about 50% brake and then feather the gas with your right foot. You should be able to simulate the system transferring power riding the brake through obstacles like that.
The nice thing about these systems is that they only brake the wheel that is slipping (via 4-channel ABS), rather than all the wheels when using the brake pedal. So it's a little less wear on the brakes than left foot braking.
In a Toyota that will just kill the throttle because of the way they programmed them after the unintended acceleration fiasco. But you can lightly apply the parking brake for similar results.
You can’t brake a single wheel
@@trp2413 no but you can mimic tractions control by force slowing all the wheels down. Works great.
Maybe there is a video of it I've missed, but I would like to see them test the BLD on the JL to compare.
Have you done the ranger with the terrain system yet
would like to see this same test with the ranger and nissan trucks too.
Fun fact: You can engage an Auto LSD function for the rear axle while still in 2WD by pressing the " Off" button according to the Taco owners manual. Y'all should test that.
Have you done this with AWD trucks, like the Honda
for the 23 Tacoma with this AT tire, do any ideas for the PIS of the tire when in the city and light off road?
Well done!
Now, let’s put all 4 on the rollers. 😂
Engaging the rear locker is not finnicky. You're just doing the sequence incorrectly
Nice! 100% perfectly done. No doubts whatsoever what is going on. Street oriented tires and the proper OR system can negotiate quite a bit. I am a little surprised the PRO does not have more aggressive tires. But perhaps it is a used model that someone swapped the tires out for something more pavement oriented. Which was great for this test. 👏
That looks like the stock tires on it which are a less aggressive all terrain.
no these are the tires that come on the truck
Good Year Wrangler Territory AT tires with Kevlar (265/70R16) on my stock PRO.
Hola puedes aser el mismo test con manual transmission thank you.
Can you try this test on the frontier?
I'll keep my ZR2. Got em in front and in back. The rear lockers will engage in 2H and 4H. If I remember right you need 4Lo to get any of that tech, crawl control and locker, to operate. No wonder the the Toyota guys had to carry gas with them when I went on a Padre Island NS run. (60mi of beach) I carried as a precaution, but 6spd in 4lo is alotta gas to drink.
When Tommy has enough time to say, "Come on, work it out" to a traction control system, it illustrates what, I think, is still a fundamental shortcoming for these systems for off-roading. They are not smarter than, and can restrict the control of, a decent driver.
You should try that test with the auto lsd on
I know last winter I was very impressed in the snow with my 4Runner TRD Pro vs the Pickup Truck I had before and I have had Ford Chevy and GMC with locking rear differential. The 4Runner TRD Pro is by far more capable
My 2022 trail boss is dam slow going to 4low. Heck sometimes I don’t think it’s ever gonna go in 4L.
Love the roller tests, Tommy
Dislike that you can't access MTS (multi terrain select) or lockers in 4 high or even 2wd
I have a 22 TRD Off-Road.
My 2020 4 runner Trd off road premium allows Mts in 4 high? I'd be surprised if the Tacoma cant. Just used it today
Mts mud option should work in 4 high with your tacoma. More wheel spin allowed. Rock, model won't. It'll still be limited at and 8mph
Great roller test demo, I was skeptical at first, but you taught me something about crawl control , Im an FJ guy with ATRAC and Locking rear Diff. Great run through all the modes. really helps. Have you tested the Off Road Taco Quad cab(4 full doors) with a 6 foot bed as far as departure angles?
Great video and an excellent example of how these off-road systems work. Does this Tacoma not have A-trac?
My 2021 TRD off road does!
It does, but MTS (multi-terrain select) is a better version of A-trac that allows you to set the amount of wheel spin based on the terrain. So in mud/sand where you need some wheel speed, it lets the tires spin more. But on rocks where you don't need any speed, it will kick in sooner.
A-trac is just a toggle, on/off.
@@jimmy-buffett thanks man.
@@abou824 yours does have a-trac? My 21 off road doesn't have it. Just locker and mts. Yet my 19 pro 4runner has mts, a-trac, and locker.
@@dustinbono Is yours an automatic? Mine is a 6MT, so it doesn't have multi terrain select. Just has the locking diff and A trac
My 2018 frontier just applies the brakes whichever wheel is slipping, even in 2wd. I make up our snowy, 50 yard, sloped driveway all the time just in 2wd.
Does it have to be in 4X4 to use the crawl control? I have one coming in August.😁
I personally would like you to compare this to you standard work truck Stubby!
Thanks Tommy. Can you do the same exact test with a Ford ranger fx4? Ford's traction control automatically engages without even hitting a button.
Traction control is disabled in 4L on any truck.
Have you thought about instead of removing the slip ramps… Creating a slip ramp that you can lock the cylinders to keep them from spinning? Then you only have to set them up once.
Until something goes horribly awry and your truck is stuck on there for all eternity 🤣
Seems too complicated. I like that they try it in stages.
@@garysarratt1 floor jack
i cant decide between the automatic or manual trans. only because the automatic has crawl control. would you (or anyone here) say that the crawl control (in automatic) is worth it and can possibly be better then just having rear lockers ? that test on the rollers where both rear wheels and one front wheel was on rollers was impressive using crawl control.. i cant make up my mind now, and looking forward to purchashing a new 23 trd pro soon !
What you demonstrated on the rollers is fine if you're gronking around in an off-road situation, but useless for normal driving on snow and/or ice. I suspect that nothing has changed on the 2023 models, but on my 2020, A-TRAK, diff lock and crawl control can only be used in 4wd-low range. I don't know about how you drive, but for 'normal' slippery on-road driving, I would only use 4wd High. I'm certainly not going to shift into 4-low to start out from a traffic light. In the new Bronco, the diff lock can be used in either 4-hi or 4-low.
My problem with crawl control is it requires a slushbox. My 2010 TRD Offroad 6 speed does just fine with A-Track and a locker.
ESP zafira can do that crawl stuff... Big surprise 😅
can you do this with the new frontier?
I would love to see the jeep gladiator or JL wrangler do these tests
Where does one get a set of rollers like those?
Pretty cool test. Id like to see the Jeep Gladiator do the same since they dont have any of those fancy crawl controls,
Mine does, called select speed. Never used it. 1st low and dual lockers with flex for days hasn’t failed me yet.
@@KTMcaptain I have a Rubicon as well but there's no sand, mud, etc controls that you can pick from. Our manual mode just controls the speeds at which we crawl. I believe they do have brake modulation in addition to our lockers that help pull it out of sticky situations but Im wondering how it works out the box in comparison to Toyota with their crawl modes.
Jeep's system for ABS-based slip control is called BLD / Brake Lock Differential.
Toyota's crawl control system is just a combination of that ABS-based slip control and a configurable level of throttle input. If you're steady on the throttle and turn on BLD it's the same thing.
@@jimmy-buffett How would I turn on BLD in my Jeep Gladiator Rubicon? There is no button or anything that you press that im aware of. Thats what I would like to see demonstrated here for comparison against these fancy selectable crawl control systems versus whats just built in to the Jeep already. In the example performed in this video I guess Im expecting the Jeep to pull off the ramps in 4hi or 4lo without having to turn on any crawl control system as in the Toyota.
@@mp9350 It’s the same thing, system engages brakes and controls speeds. Maybe the Toyota is more configurable, but doesn’t mean it performs better. Select speed with lockers is far superior to traction control.
I drive off road quite a bit so why is it so difficult to lock and unlock the rear differential; 2021 Tacoma Off-road. I'm I doing something wrong ?
i really wish more if these trucks came with manual transmission’s
Does the multi-terrain select have any affect on these tests?
If they used it it should have did similar to atrac in other tests.
Can you guys do some more reviews on the new frontier? Feels like you guys have been doing 3rd gen tacoma reviews since 2016….oh wait
Can we get the new Honda pilot on rollers test?
I’ve been looking for a rubicon slip test and can’t find it! Can you guys help me?
Braking is never good while trying to climb stuff, on soft surfaces . However i believe that using a Torsen type diff with computer and steering angle sensors . is the best for modern "offroaders" .
I’ve been off roading for 28 years very very experienced driver in all off road environments, and that crawl control has saved my butt 3X , I would not buy a Tacoma without it !
What types of terrain did it help in?
Steep 40 deg incline hills with basketball size boulders on them and sand
@@peterhoma6385 Nice, I can see that helping. The tacoma is not geared low enough for super slow controlled crawling over that kind of terrain. Crawl would for sure help with that.
It would be nice if you guys could maybe test more Toyota trucks other than the Pro . Not all of us can afford a pro so how about including more of the truck lineup.