8:30. just turn on Atrac, you have to turn it on for it to work. Seriously, it's right next to the rear locker for a reason. Seems like reviewers all do the same basic thing - turn on crawl control, or use the locker only. The best solution is locker + ATRAC.
You’re right! Lock the rear, push a-trac button and use your foot on the gas pedal. These guys have done so many videos on these vehicles with a-trac and have never utilized it properly without jumping to crawl control.
Exactly. I've come across a few "stuck" Toyotas (I have one) and I have pressed the button (ATRAC/MTS) for them so they can get out on their own. It could be easier to understand the traction systems but reviewers fail to use that button.
Nathan, at 8:19 you had no torque going to the front passenger. You need to have A-trac on to solve that problem. Basically, lock the rear diff and push the A-trac. That should pretty much do it all.
@@samevans4525 I’m curious, How did you come up with that? Active Traction Control or A-Trac only works in 4Lo. I use it all the time when I go wheeling on my FJ. Ref. 2013 FJ Cruiser Owners Manual page. 182.
He didn't turn on Atrac so one wheel wasn't spinning. They all suck at off roading Toyotas. They don't do their homework and just asume they are the best at off roading.
Agree 100%, Have wondered why we seem to see less and less of him. Always appreciated his content over the years and, to me, he is part of the crucial bedrock that makes TFL so special.
Nathan you gotta read the book on the traction control systems, ATRAC works with the rear locker, the multi terrain select is a selectable ATRAC. I see you pull up on hills and the front end isn’t doing anything.
A manual 4 runner would be amazing and I would buy it. I want a stripped down 4 runner with a 6 speed, locking rear diff, and possible at least a limited slip up front.
You can get the FJ Cruiser in a manual, that's about as close as you're to get. And the nice thing is that it's full-time 4H, so you don't have to switch 2H/4H when the weather gets bad.
Yup. They have no idea what they are doing. They’ve done this so many times and have absolutely learned nothing. They should seek training. They also have zero understanding on the systems they drive work. I guess it caters tot he lowest intelligence person that would not purchase these and go to these places anyway. They are stumbling fools.
They used to air down, and no longer do for some reason, but if neither vehicles air down it’s still a fair comparison. I would t say they don’t know what they are doing since they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers watching lol
@@johnmadsen37 it just seems like they test it based on people who have never gone offroad before but it does a disservice by failing to show the true capabilities of the cars/trucks they test. Like in one comparing a bone stock outback to a tacoma trd offroad in a snow driving test without evening the field with the LP Adventure package available for subies. Instead testing A/T tires on the tacoma to freeway tires on the outback. I have an 18 crosstrek that can do everything they did with these trucks and more.
@@danieljackson-woods6225maybe it's a time/money issue. Waiting to get the perfect trim with best/comparable tires could take a while when they really want to crank out videos.
Can we get some KO2's up in here? Also, we need to see how 4runner Off-road with KDSS compares to TRD Pro, especially articulation. TRD Pro is not really available to most people, especially when they are marked up 10k.
Stock tires on both, blame Toyota. I had Duratracs on my 4Runner at 400 miles. Also, please avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason. www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html As for the TRD Pro, the only reason to buy it is the unique color. You can build a TRD Off Road into something better than a Pro for less money. Dealers don't give good deals on the TRD Pro, but you can get the Off Road's for cheap. That's what I did. OME BP-51's, BudBuilt skids / sliders, Expedition One bumper / winch. I'm into my truck for about what I would have paid in Denver for a TRD Pro and I have a better truck.
@@jimmy-buffett yup, that's why I opted out on kdss when I got my 2021 4runner trd off road premium the past weekend. And are considering upgrading the suspension lift and tires. Maybe wheels as well.
@@timmyadam3542 K02s are pretty much AMAZING in rocky desert terrain and unbelievably quiet on road. Those tires fully deserve their hard earned reputation. I am running the STT Pro's on my TJ because I didn't want quite as stiff a sidewall on that vehicle. Louder tire but really comfortable ride. So far so good offroad but I've found the traction a little less predictable under certain circumstances. Both offer great bang for the buck imho, just think the K02 probably has an edge in a lot of applications. ***disclaimer- I have basically no real experience in snow with either set of tires...so no idea how they compare in that respect.
My jeep made 250,000km with ZERO issues! and I traded it in for 25,000$ it was a 2015 and bought a new gladiator. No issues yet! You Toyota boys always so quick to judge the reliability of a vehicle you DONT have
Love seeing the Tacoma in the wild, I'm waiting on my Tacoma Off Road to be built starting February 1st. I appreciate all the videos you guys have done on the different Tacoma models. I was actually going to get a Tacoma Pro, but watching you guys and some of your suggestions steered me toward the Off Road. Good videos. Thanks!
@@samsoniteman24 Yeah! It's been a great truck. Great info by the way on the 32inch KO2s. I was contemplating getting the factory lift from Toyota, but really wasn't sure if I wanted a lift...worries about handling etc... So, just trim the mud flaps and your good on clearance with the 32s?
Love the content! But would like to point out that Nathan had problems on the off camber rock climb because he didn’t use Atrac. When using slowly apply throttle probably (2000-2500rpm)and hold steady and the system kicks in and transfers power to the other front tire. You can see the driver right tire not even moving when he was attempting to go up-Atrac not on. ATRAC only works in 4low
Yeah, they really don’t know what they’re doing offroad, despite all the vids they make about it. I have an LR4 with rear locker but similar to atrac for front (although I don’t have to manually turn it on) and its the same thing- slow steady throttle so the system will sense the slip, apply the brake and transfer the power. Most people do the worst thing for these systems- they let off the throttle when they feel slip. Or they give too much throttle and wind up bouncing all over hitting the underside or losing control of their line. Smh. Man there is more to offroading than just jumping in a truck and driving. Learn what you’re doing and how your rig works.
@@alexanderblackburn4520 those stock factory air pressure recommendations is why Firestone has so much trouble with people having blowouts ... they put in the minimum pressure a tire can operate with and expect people to top off everyday... use the full pressure for street and 15 to 25 for off road, depending on the tire
@@philtripe TFL has gone over this a ton of times. For these test they test in stock configuration. On some trails they do air down, and they are fully aware of how much it can help.
You guys rock, I'm telling you, you got to make that manual vs. CVT Subaru buddy challenge happen. The two of you are some of the very few shedding light on the fact that you can still buy some manual transmission vehicles, and why you should. I really think Toyota missed a trick not putting the manual transmission in the 4Runner, and the gear knob actuated transfer case in the Tacoma.
Cool video. My ex had a 4runner and it was bullet-proof on reliability. Great SUV. I have a Tacoma and love it. You really can't go wrong with either, especially if you're the kind of person who keeps their vehicles forever.
You missed an opportunity to used atrac at the razer rocks in the 4runner, would have been a good test of it. i get you dont like the sound of it and i am with you but atrac is a great tool and it would have been nice to see it used since just using the rear locker did not work.
Unfortunately it seems to be a Theme that Nathan believes that ATRAC is part of MTS and Crawl Control system. Tommy and Andre seem to understand ATRAC better.
ATRAC rules! Use it!! It’s a software based locking diff, if you will. It always surprises me when I use it, in the worst case, lock the rear differential.
@@jenniferspencer3095 Thanks for clearing that up for me Jennifer. Actually, I used it on the same obstacle in the same vehicle in another video. I simply prefer a traction control system that gives me more control. Sorry you’re dissatisfied.
I have a 2019 Tacoma Trd Off-road manual. I love it. Sticker was 37. Spent 6 for lift, wheels, tires,etc. Needs to be regeared with 33’s. But put it in low, she goes everywhere. Rubicon, desert, dirt trail. She’s a keeper. Good Job Toyota. I do have to say cool to see Andre and Nathan on the trail.
Great demonstration of how incredible these trucks are from the factory. Even the lower trim models are super capable for the type of off road driving that most people do.
Great content, I’ve owned both and the quality of the 4Runner is head and shoulders above the Tacoma. I will be buying another 4Runner as I miss it, hopefully Toyota doesn’t ruin it in the 6th Gen.
I did the taco to 4Runner switch. It’s a big difference, a lot of little things that add up. The 4Runner is made to last longer when you look around at mechanical differences.
Can you please elaborate on what you like about the 4runner? I am in the market for a 4x4 and after test driving both automatic and manual Tacoma’s, I was a little disappointed. I still need to check out the 4Runner.
I just love the look of both of those Toyotas. I wish we had them here in Aus to instead of the Hilux and Fortuner. Stick a diesel in 'em and a whole bunch of Aussie offroading add-ons and they would be world-beaters. So much more room in the wheel arches for bigger tyres. You even get overhead consuls with switches and knobs...sooo cool!
@@mokseee definitely in the chassis platform. The Lexus GX460 is a Prado. The Hilux and Fortuner sit on a smaller chassis, but the Prado has the same engine and transmission, making it a bit under done for its size. A V6 diesel or petrol hybrid will fix that problem. The point is, the platform for the Taco and 4Runner is much better than the hilux/fortuner.
@@garrygraham7901 yea, the prado really lacks a little power and/or efficiency. Doing alot of highway driving in my j12 and that 3 liter diesel is definitely jugging more than I'd like. Since we can not get the 4runner in germany either my only other option would be the gx470, but that isn't really fuel efficient either. Looking forward to the upcoming prado series, since I heard it might get that new turbo diesel from the 300
@@mokseee I think the V6 would be great, but might hurt 300 series sales, at least here in Aus. Emission control restrictions are literally killing diesels so the future, like it or not, is in petrol hybrid engines which have good power and efficiency outputs. I reckon it is worth waiting a few years to see what Toyota do.
I wish Nathan would have tried crawl control on the razor rocks. Would be interesting to see if it would have sent power to that passenger-side front tire.
I gotta say... I always wanted a Tacoma and when I got mine, I LOVED IT!! However, I think I prefer my 4Runner over my Tacoma- Hands down, 100%. If I could afford it, I would have both
Great comparison! The 4Runner TRD Off-Road with KDSS , the articulation would have dominated both these vehicles. The fact the Tacoma does NOT have CC is a loss of capability. Was not aware the Tacoma did not have it until now. When used properly, all those aids make that terrain a walk in the park. Don't fear that which works. If you have it, use it. I have lived with old school 4WD most of my life and it trains you to negotiate and pick proper lines, etc. However, todays off road tech. aids are awesome!
Avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason. www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html
Jerry W. Great realistic comparison between 2 Toyota icons; but from personal experience commuting in Sierra Mountain snow(Lake Tahoe) and multiple Tacomas & 4Runners; the 'old guard' 4Runner is the far better vehicle and investment, hands down!
8:17 Nathan, don't stop right at the obstacle and then try to go. Back up 30 ft. Get in 4 low, 1st or maybe 2nd ⚙, lock the rear-end and go without stopping. Andre knew how @ 8:41
Freaking Nathan...I got style...no one else would say something that cheesy and manage to make it sound both cheesy and cool at the same time. Love you, man
Great video. You would think these vehicles would act almost identical. How interesting to see the differences. The 4runner is more sure-footed in a straight line in slippery conditions but when articulation is required, the Tacoma did better.
Nathan: All I need is a locking diff - crawl control is unneccesary, in my opinion. Proceeds to have difficulty getting up the razor rocks with his diff locked, the exact kind of situation crawl control was invented for. Facepalm! Talk about not using all the tools in the toolbox!
Damn you guys need some Falken Wildpeak at3w, or Toyo Open Country at3w. Wheeling like two pavement princesses that just went to an off road park for the first time. Keep up the good work!
Great video guys. I would love to have both. I haven’t always been a Toyota fan-boy but in the past couple of years I have grown to appreciate them more. We have a 3rd gen and 5th gen and they’re both great vehicles.
I just wish toyota would make an actual ZR2 competitor. At least a limited slip up front would be nice. The difference is amazing in really tough situations.
@@alyx2yonde301 Yep, leave the customers hanging and wanting for more while the competition passes them by. But hey, Toyota still sells more units because of perceived resale and reliability. People are suckers. The ZR2 is a better off-roader for your money
@@shiftmotorsports9803 absolutely. Just watch this video th-cam.com/video/RcxW_S07Be4/w-d-xo.html No stock Tacoma is climbing that without ripping the entire front fascia off.
Awesome video and review of 2 very good vehicles for off roading. I think for me the Tacoma would be my off roader. Once you add a rack with a tent system and put your camping equipment and some off roading equipment you'll have more than enough weight to make it work like the 4Runner.
7:55 Mm-hmm. I'm cheap, so I won't replace the Terra Grapplers that came with my 4R TRD Pro immediately, but I can't wait to throw on some BFG KO2's. The Terras suck in the rain and obviously they underperform in the snow too.
You’ll be very happy w the KO2s! I’ve put over 54k miles on mine, including lots of off-roading in CO, UT and CA, and still have about 10k miles left on them. No issues whatsoever!
This is the perfect example of how not to use atrac, if you floor the gas like the video atrac will never work. You need to keep the gas pressed but barely enough to send power to the wheels so the tires start spinning and you let the systems do its thing. My 4runner takes around 30 secs or so for atrac to register the tires that need to be stopped and it works like magic after it kicks in. Just because you hear the system kick it when you turn atrac on it doesn't mean you can just go and not get stuck, you will need to wait for a few secs everytime you get stuck so atrac can do its math and witchcraft to figure out what the tires are doing and it will get you over almost anything you can thing of. I've found myself in some scary situations in the woods roading by myself and atrac rescued my ass so many times if you have a yota with atrac you need to do your research and practice how to use all the goodies it has so you don't struggle in trails that your yota can easily handle if you know how to drive it.
Really...I must have imagined being stuck in Dallas for two days because of an ice / snow storm. Or in Alpine, TX during a snow storm, or the week I spent in Amarillo when it snowed every day. Maybe you live in Huston or Galveston, but I can tell you that Texas gets snow.
The videos are great but you guys made this trail look difficult. I didn’t bypass a single obstacle in a Lexus es300. I went up the ledge and both up and down that “razor rocks” section. If you guys ever go up near by I’d be up for a run. I still have my 87 Toyota that’s modded
I had rear lockers in an FJ60, a rear locker and ATRAC in FJC, and a center locking diff with ATRAC in 100 series....and now in Tundra ATRAC only with no locker at all. I felt the ATRAC was a great system if you used it properly....keeping steady throttle and let the system work out the traction itself...dont keep letting off and punching it...steady with driver input for steering. Sometimes maybe light brake pressure...but worked outstanding.
I will admit,... .I sucked air through clenched teeth again, as Nathan used momentum to get over those steps on the trail. The 'Hitch Camera' did take a little hit there too. Nice video, nice vehicles too. Thanks Gentlemen!
Yeah, they really missed an opportunity to showcase how it could have cleared an obstacle under control instead of letting momentum do it. Frustrating to watch over and over.
Of all the vehicles you have driven in the last 6 months is there one vehicle that impresses you the most, ie when you sit in it you automatically think "this is nice" and when you drive it you are equaly impressed.
Yup, those Goodyear Wrangler aren't very good. I just got rid of them and upgraded to Cooper Discover At3 4s 245/75/16 and they are severe snow flake rated and regardless I also own Bridgestone blizzaks also 245/75 on my 19 Tacoma trd 4x4. I have yet to try out my Coopers in the snow and unfortunately with all the snow falling I can't even try them out since I just had double hernia surgery 😤. But thanks for the great video to pass the time with 😊.
@@nebulosity1 nice, good to know they handle snow well. I am not a rock crawler so I also felt the Cooper was a better choice for what I do. My mpg has improved as well since I chose the 245 skinnier tire they are 37 pounds each versus the Wrangler 44 pounds. So I am finding myself averaging 19.5-20 mpg versus 17.5-19 mpg. I do drive like a grandpa now that I own a Tacoma lol.
absolutely. if you're over 6' (especially with a longer torso) you're going to have a tough time in a 3rd gen tacoma (especially when equipped with a sunroof).
It's funny to me to hear people say that about the tacoma. I have a 20 OR with a sun roof. I'm 6'4 260lbs and really like the seating position. My head doesn't touch the roof even with a hat on. I find the seating position to be very similar to my 04 WJ.
If I did a LOT of off roading, in questionable terrain, and a LOT of camping inside the vehicle, the 4 runner might be the way to go, BUT..for 90% paved roads, and 10% off road, I think the every day versatility, of the double cab TRD OR 4x4 automatic, especially with a removable shell on the bed, suits me better, for my personal Al situation and needs.
There’s some stuff nearby! NH has some decent roads (nothing compared to out west, but might satisfy the itch). There’s some stuff in NY and NJ too if you look.
@@nebulosity1 nice! I have a 16' SR5 and looking into buying an RV that is 3513 lbs dry weight, which is very close to the 5000 lbs max tow rating. So wanting to see how it does, would be nice @tfl will take it up the IKE Gauntlet
60k+ vehicles and they come with the cheapest garbage tires they can find. Just bought a 2021 TRD off road pro 4 runner and the first place i went was to the tire shop. Id rather have 2 wheel drive with great tires then all the bells and whistle's on shit tires.
Yes Carrying extra fuel is almost always a requirement, but that 1 mpg can mean carry 25 extra gals or 30 extra gals. Read about people doing the Arizona strip or watch a couple of videos of the Pony Express trail, Tacomabeast That 4Runner will be more limited on how much extra fuel it can carry
The Kevlar on the Tacoma is actually a higher grade tire than what is on the 4runner. The Kevlar is supposed to compete with the KO2, so it does not surprise me that you struggled in the snow on those Nittos.
Love both of these vehicles. people will nitpick and complain about things but whatever. There's issues with every make. At the end of the day I trust Toyota more than I do other manufacturers. If you want to trade in your truck every couple of years then go with another make I guess. These trucks aren't really meant for trading in every couple of years, this time around I actually want to have a paid off vehicle, and it be a reliable after that.
Nathan dogging the traction aids is so annoying. I had a 78 CJ-5 and now I have a 2020 4Runner Trd. There is zero question which vehicle is better off road. The traction aids enhance driver skill. So a skilled off road driver will go much better using the technology than not. It's not a macho thing. It's understanding and leveraging the technology to your advantage
@@ripfletching No it wouldn't. If you wanna see a build, then go watch a build series. If they do all that shit to it, then they can't compare it to the TRX, because it's not fair.
On Snow Chains are the Bee's Knees. I want to have a 4Runner bad but last fall I have my Sierra 1500 6.5ft box full to almost the top of the topper with hunting gear for a Week for 3 guys. If it was not for my annual hunting trip out west I would have a 4Runner
Exceptional video! Nathan & Andre talk about chemistry 🌹
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8:30. just turn on Atrac, you have to turn it on for it to work. Seriously, it's right next to the rear locker for a reason. Seems like reviewers all do the same basic thing - turn on crawl control, or use the locker only. The best solution is locker + ATRAC.
You’re right! Lock the rear, push a-trac button and use your foot on the gas pedal. These guys have done so many videos on these vehicles with a-trac and have never utilized it properly without jumping to crawl control.
Exactly. I've come across a few "stuck" Toyotas (I have one) and I have pressed the button (ATRAC/MTS) for them so they can get out on their own. It could be easier to understand the traction systems but reviewers fail to use that button.
yeah, I don't understand why he talks about the tools available just prior to the scene, and then doesn't use them.
They seem clueless
Thank You. You think they would get a clue. Please do your homework.
As a 2020 trdpro owner I am amazed how you still insist not to use that machine’s capabilities properly.
Yeah these dudes don't really know what they're doing off road, and its pretty embarrassing.
What else would you expect from “Automotive journalists”? 😅
4Runner would’ve walked right up that razor rock part lol
They get paid to do this too 😅
Loved seeing the 4th gen randomly strut by
It was me in the 4th gen. Was truly awesome and random to run into Andre and Nathan. They are cool dudes to chat with and meet irl.
@@Mallrunner Hey that’s awesome! Love your rig, I’m a fellow 4th gen owner 😎 but yeah they seem like chill guys
Yeah...nothing quite like vehicles that come with a "strut" mode...
Toyota REALLY needs to put a v8 back in a 4Runner. But then instead of being $53k they’ll be $73k because Toyota.
Doubt toyota will ever put v8 back into the 4runner due to fuel economy and emissions. Probably will be a turbo 4cyl soon
C’mon Nathan! Even in an auto transmission you can select 1st gear, I put it manual mode when I go wheelin. Works good!
@@Word-Life whatever do you mean?
Nathan, at 8:19 you had no torque going to the front passenger. You need to have A-trac on to solve that problem. Basically, lock the rear diff and push the A-trac. That should pretty much do it all.
Yes!
Ah, but according to Nathan, all he needs is a rear locker. A-Trac and Crawl Control are useless, in his opinion.
Exactly!!! A-TRAC is the right tool for that job. Especially if you don’t want to use crawl control. Love my TRD Off Road!
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I’m curious, How did you come up with that?
Active Traction Control or A-Trac only works in 4Lo. I use it all the time when I go wheeling on my FJ.
Ref. 2013 FJ Cruiser Owners Manual page. 182.
@@tirsorosario5940 they were in 4 lo..
We have a 2019 4Runner and love it.
Got the SR5 and upgrading it as we go.
Great and you can easily add lockers front and rear if you chose.
Nathan: This locker is all I need
Nathan: (gets stuck on obstacle)
He didn't turn on Atrac so one wheel wasn't spinning. They all suck at off roading Toyotas. They don't do their homework and just asume they are the best at off roading.
This killed me. “All that other stuff is unnecessary” *proceeds to have issues due to not using A-Trac*
@@Austin-iq7ds I mean he then proceeded to use a little bit of momentum and then make it up no problem
Thats because no one on this channel knows how to offroad worth a damn
this would have been a great time to do an airing down test as well.
Good to see Nathan. We don't see enough of him these days.
Agreed. Need more Nathan.
Yep. Nathan adds a funny, and little sarcasm twist to the videos. POWERWAGON DONT CARE!!!
We've been saying that for a week and I THINK THEY'RE FINALLY LISTENING TO US haha.
Agree 100%, Have wondered why we seem to see less and less of him. Always appreciated his content over the years and, to me, he is part of the crucial bedrock that makes TFL so special.
He used to have a only fans set up but I think he deleted it
Nathan you gotta read the book on the traction control systems, ATRAC works with the rear locker, the multi terrain select is a selectable ATRAC. I see you pull up on hills and the front end isn’t doing anything.
You don’t need to engage the locker in order for A-TRAC to work. You just have to be in 4lo
@@ZacTexC Ya because if I'm not mistaken that is Toyota's front locker.
@@neilmurphy845 center diff lock
No center diff lock
I own a 16 trail premium and yes crawl control has its own way of controlling spin
I don’t know if you guys do this, but airing down makes a very noticeable difference in traction on low traction surfaces (snow, ice).
Depends on the type of snow
@@Pneuma3301 I’m personally not sure I can think of a snow scenario where airing down would be worse than staying at highway pressures.
A manual 4 runner would be amazing and I would buy it. I want a stripped down 4 runner with a 6 speed, locking rear diff, and possible at least a limited slip up front.
You can get the FJ Cruiser in a manual, that's about as close as you're to get. And the nice thing is that it's full-time 4H, so you don't have to switch 2H/4H when the weather gets bad.
@@jimmy-buffett yeah in regular driving it’s a 40/60 split. Have the option to switch to 4high or 4low giving 50/50
Auto lokka at the front, no compromise. They're not expensive and DIY if mechanically minded
Same but toyota never gives us Americans what we want and it sucjs
In the 70,s the 4 runner was stick
Probably should mention that 16” wheels won’t fit on a 5th Gen 4Runner because of the brakes.
Just seems you guys never air down for offroading 10-15 psi lower can make a world of difference
Yup. They have no idea what they are doing. They’ve done this so many times and have absolutely learned nothing. They should seek training. They also have zero understanding on the systems they drive work. I guess it caters tot he lowest intelligence person that would not purchase these and go to these places anyway. They are stumbling fools.
They used to air down, and no longer do for some reason, but if neither vehicles air down it’s still a fair comparison. I would t say they don’t know what they are doing since they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers watching lol
@@joshc606 but kind of does a disservice to the vehicles by not showing their true capabilities
@@johnmadsen37 it just seems like they test it based on people who have never gone offroad before but it does a disservice by failing to show the true capabilities of the cars/trucks they test. Like in one comparing a bone stock outback to a tacoma trd offroad in a snow driving test without evening the field with the LP Adventure package available for subies. Instead testing A/T tires on the tacoma to freeway tires on the outback. I have an 18 crosstrek that can do everything they did with these trucks and more.
@@danieljackson-woods6225maybe it's a time/money issue. Waiting to get the perfect trim with best/comparable tires could take a while when they really want to crank out videos.
Can we get some KO2's up in here? Also, we need to see how 4runner Off-road with KDSS compares to TRD Pro, especially articulation. TRD Pro is not really available to most people, especially when they are marked up 10k.
Stock tires on both, blame Toyota. I had Duratracs on my 4Runner at 400 miles.
Also, please avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason.
www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html
As for the TRD Pro, the only reason to buy it is the unique color. You can build a TRD Off Road into something better than a Pro for less money. Dealers don't give good deals on the TRD Pro, but you can get the Off Road's for cheap. That's what I did. OME BP-51's, BudBuilt skids / sliders, Expedition One bumper / winch. I'm into my truck for about what I would have paid in Denver for a TRD Pro and I have a better truck.
@@jimmy-buffett yup, that's why I opted out on kdss when I got my 2021 4runner trd off road premium the past weekend. And are considering upgrading the suspension lift and tires. Maybe wheels as well.
Ko2s are ok, but there's for sure better. Depends on what terrain and weather u need tires for. For this application, id rather have st maxx
@@timmyadam3542 K02s are pretty much AMAZING in rocky desert terrain and unbelievably quiet on road. Those tires fully deserve their hard earned reputation. I am running the STT Pro's on my TJ because I didn't want quite as stiff a sidewall on that vehicle. Louder tire but really comfortable ride. So far so good offroad but I've found the traction a little less predictable under certain circumstances. Both offer great bang for the buck imho, just think the K02 probably has an edge in a lot of applications.
***disclaimer- I have basically no real experience in snow with either set of tires...so no idea how they compare in that respect.
Get some Toyo R/Ts or Nitto Ridgegrapplers. Those are the 2 best tires out right now for on/off road driving mix.
I have a 2019 4 runner TRD Off road.
I put KO2s on and love the vehicle. I like the Tacoma also. But made the choice on the 4 Runner. I love it.
Two of the most off road capable vehicles made today. Reliable as a stone as well. Can't say that about any Jeep!
Cj7...
@@PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath Made today. Jeeps were reliable before Chrysler bought out AMC but they still were never as reliable as Toyotas.
I agree. Actively in the process of getting rid of the jeep and grabbing a 4runner.
Agreed. I traded in my 08 JKU for a 21 Taco TRD Offroad. Extremely happy!
My jeep made 250,000km with ZERO issues! and I traded it in for 25,000$ it was a 2015 and bought a new gladiator. No issues yet! You Toyota boys always so quick to judge the reliability of a vehicle you DONT have
Love seeing the Tacoma in the wild, I'm waiting on my Tacoma Off Road to be built starting February 1st.
I appreciate all the videos you guys have done on the different Tacoma models. I was actually going to get a Tacoma Pro, but watching you guys and some of your suggestions steered me toward the Off Road. Good videos. Thanks!
I’ve got the trd off road 21 model I love it I put a leer camper and 32in ko2 all you need don’t lift the truck just cut and take off the mud flaps
@@samsoniteman24 Yeah! It's been a great truck. Great info by the way on the 32inch KO2s. I was contemplating getting the factory lift from Toyota, but really wasn't sure if I wanted a lift...worries about handling etc...
So, just trim the mud flaps and your good on clearance with the 32s?
Love the content! But would like to point out that Nathan had problems on the off camber rock climb because he didn’t use Atrac. When using slowly apply throttle probably (2000-2500rpm)and hold steady and the system kicks in and transfers power to the other front tire. You can see the driver right tire not even moving when he was attempting to go up-Atrac not on. ATRAC only works in 4low
Yeah, they really don’t know what they’re doing offroad, despite all the vids they make about it. I have an LR4 with rear locker but similar to atrac for front (although I don’t have to manually turn it on) and its the same thing- slow steady throttle so the system will sense the slip, apply the brake and transfer the power. Most people do the worst thing for these systems- they let off the throttle when they feel slip. Or they give too much throttle and wind up bouncing all over hitting the underside or losing control of their line. Smh. Man there is more to offroading than just jumping in a truck and driving. Learn what you’re doing and how your rig works.
Air your tires down next time? They always look rock hard, no wonder you need more momentum.
They are comparing stock i do believe. Essentially as it is from the factory.
@@alexanderblackburn4520 those stock factory air pressure recommendations is why Firestone has so much trouble with people having blowouts ... they put in the minimum pressure a tire can operate with and expect people to top off everyday... use the full pressure for street and 15 to 25 for off road, depending on the tire
@@philtripe TFL has gone over this a ton of times. For these test they test in stock configuration. On some trails they do air down, and they are fully aware of how much it can help.
You're right. Doesn't matter what car or tire you use if you drive at 35psi. They should be around 18psi right now.
Actually over ice you should not air down, you want high pressure per square inch
You guys rock, I'm telling you, you got to make that manual vs. CVT Subaru buddy challenge happen.
The two of you are some of the very few shedding light on the fact that you can still buy some manual transmission vehicles, and why you should.
I really think Toyota missed a trick not putting the manual transmission in the 4Runner, and the gear knob actuated transfer case in the Tacoma.
Cool video. My ex had a 4runner and it was bullet-proof on reliability. Great SUV. I have a Tacoma and love it. You really can't go wrong with either, especially if you're the kind of person who keeps their vehicles forever.
You missed an opportunity to used atrac at the razer rocks in the 4runner, would have been a good test of it. i get you dont like the sound of it and i am with you but atrac is a great tool and it would have been nice to see it used since just using the rear locker did not work.
Unfortunately it seems to be a Theme that Nathan believes that ATRAC is part of MTS and Crawl Control system. Tommy and Andre seem to understand ATRAC better.
ATRAC rules! Use it!! It’s a software based locking diff, if you will. It always surprises me when I use it, in the worst case, lock the rear differential.
@@jenniferspencer3095 Thanks for clearing that up for me Jennifer. Actually, I used it on the same obstacle in the same vehicle in another video. I simply prefer a traction control system that gives me more control. Sorry you’re dissatisfied.
I have a 2019 Tacoma Trd Off-road manual. I love it. Sticker was 37. Spent 6 for lift, wheels, tires,etc. Needs to be regeared with 33’s. But put it in low, she goes everywhere. Rubicon, desert, dirt trail. She’s a keeper. Good Job Toyota.
I do have to say cool to see Andre and Nathan on the trail.
Two awesome vehicles. I have a 2007 Toyota tacoma access cab trd sport 4x4 automatic with around 168,500. It's been a great, reliable, useful truck.
Great demonstration of how incredible these trucks are from the factory. Even the lower trim models are super capable for the type of off road driving that most people do.
I bought an SR5 base model. Just changed out the tires to Yokohama geolander AT's. snow rated and good 2 go😁
Great content, I’ve owned both and the quality of the 4Runner is head and shoulders above the Tacoma. I will be buying another 4Runner as I miss it, hopefully Toyota doesn’t ruin it in the 6th Gen.
I did the taco to 4Runner switch. It’s a big difference, a lot of little things that add up. The 4Runner is made to last longer when you look around at mechanical differences.
Can you please elaborate on what you like about the 4runner? I am in the market for a 4x4 and after test driving both automatic and manual Tacoma’s, I was a little disappointed. I still need to check out the 4Runner.
Last I recall, rumors of the next generation 4Runner sounded like they might turn it into a crossover. I really hope that is not the case.
@@AWDfreak that wouldn’t make any sense, they already have the highlander...
Well the 4Runner is made in Japan, that explains everything
Bought a new 2016 4 runner trd pro years ago and havent looked back. Hugely capable and comfy. It's a beast.
I vote Nathan and Andre to continue to do the offroad content. Great video.
Tommy too
4runner all day. Way more versatile and cooler looking. It's just the most bad ass old school truck with a modern touch. A total classic!
I just love the look of both of those Toyotas. I wish we had them here in Aus to instead of the Hilux and Fortuner. Stick a diesel in 'em and a whole bunch of Aussie offroading add-ons and they would be world-beaters. So much more room in the wheel arches for bigger tyres. You even get overhead consuls with switches and knobs...sooo cool!
Isn't the 4runner very similar to the prado?
@@mokseee definitely in the chassis platform. The Lexus GX460 is a Prado. The Hilux and Fortuner sit on a smaller chassis, but the Prado has the same engine and transmission, making it a bit under done for its size. A V6 diesel or petrol hybrid will fix that problem. The point is, the platform for the Taco and 4Runner is much better than the hilux/fortuner.
@@garrygraham7901 yea, the prado really lacks a little power and/or efficiency. Doing alot of highway driving in my j12 and that 3 liter diesel is definitely jugging more than I'd like. Since we can not get the 4runner in germany either my only other option would be the gx470, but that isn't really fuel efficient either. Looking forward to the upcoming prado series, since I heard it might get that new turbo diesel from the 300
@@mokseee I think the V6 would be great, but might hurt 300 series sales, at least here in Aus. Emission control restrictions are literally killing diesels so the future, like it or not, is in petrol hybrid engines which have good power and efficiency outputs. I reckon it is worth waiting a few years to see what Toyota do.
The 4Runner makes horrible sounds with the abs when using crawl control but at least you know it works.
Good video guys - best part , Gen 4 4Runner does just fine without the fancy buttons and for a lot less $$$’s
I wish Nathan would have tried crawl control on the razor rocks. Would be interesting to see if it would have sent power to that passenger-side front tire.
A-TRAC would have also solved that problem, but crawl control let’s you focus only on where you’re putting the truck
Please make a review of the V8 4runner, for me the best 4runner ever made.
I gotta say... I always wanted a Tacoma and when I got mine, I LOVED IT!! However, I think I prefer my 4Runner over my Tacoma- Hands down, 100%. If I could afford it, I would have both
Great comparison! The 4Runner TRD Off-Road with KDSS , the articulation would have dominated both these vehicles. The fact the Tacoma does NOT have CC is a loss of capability. Was not aware the Tacoma did not have it until now. When used properly, all those aids make that terrain a walk in the park. Don't fear that which works. If you have it, use it. I have lived with old school 4WD most of my life and it trains you to negotiate and pick proper lines, etc. However, todays off road tech. aids are awesome!
*Manual* Tacomas don't have CC. Auto OR and Pros do.
Avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason.
www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html
Jerry W. Great realistic comparison between 2 Toyota icons; but from personal experience commuting in Sierra Mountain snow(Lake Tahoe) and multiple Tacomas & 4Runners; the 'old guard' 4Runner is the far better vehicle and investment, hands down!
Nice great video. Wish they still offer the 4Runner in a manual transmission.
I like both vehicles The payload is not there.
I had a manual 4 runner in the 70’s had it for 12 years
I hate those stock tires on these things. I immediately switched to KO2s on our TRD-off road 4Runner.
That 4Runner in the lunar rock color looks outstanding.
8:17
Nathan, don't stop right at the obstacle and then try to go. Back up 30 ft. Get in 4 low, 1st or maybe 2nd ⚙, lock the rear-end and go without stopping.
Andre knew how @ 8:41
Awesome TFL classic review with Nathan and Andre. Always enjoy seeing Nathan and hearing his comments. Classic Duo. 🍻😎🍻
Freaking Nathan...I got style...no one else would say something that cheesy and manage to make it sound both cheesy and cool at the same time. Love you, man
Great video. You would think these vehicles would act almost identical. How interesting to see the differences. The 4runner is more sure-footed in a straight line in slippery conditions but when articulation is required, the Tacoma did better.
Without identical tires it's hard to say anything.
Nathan: All I need is a locking diff - crawl control is unneccesary, in my opinion. Proceeds to have difficulty getting up the razor rocks with his diff locked, the exact kind of situation crawl control was invented for. Facepalm! Talk about not using all the tools in the toolbox!
I love that tacoma but for my day to day life, I'll go with a 4Runner!
How about if u want to buy a couch or fridge? Still tacoma is universal use lol
@@alyx2yonde301 you can just have it or get it delivered no problem
Damn you guys need some Falken Wildpeak at3w, or Toyo Open Country at3w. Wheeling like two pavement princesses that just went to an off road park for the first time. Keep up the good work!
You completely missed the opportunity to show how good Crawl Control is on the Razor Rocks.
I had a 1991 4runner, V6 , 5 speed. She was a great machine. I sold her in 2005 with 297,000k miles. She was still going strong.
Love Andre! he's so chill and cool!
Great video guys. I would love to have both. I haven’t always been a Toyota fan-boy but in the past couple of years I have grown to appreciate them more. We have a 3rd gen and 5th gen and they’re both great vehicles.
Andre/Nathan, for my lack of experience, would it help to lower the air pressure? Is it okay to lower pressure in cold weather?
I just wish toyota would make an actual ZR2 competitor. At least a limited slip up front would be nice. The difference is amazing in really tough situations.
No need they’re still selling 4x the zr2
@@alyx2yonde301 Yep, leave the customers hanging and wanting for more while the competition passes them by. But hey, Toyota still sells more units because of perceived resale and reliability. People are suckers. The ZR2 is a better off-roader for your money
@@shiftmotorsports9803 absolutely. Just watch this video th-cam.com/video/RcxW_S07Be4/w-d-xo.html
No stock Tacoma is climbing that without ripping the entire front fascia off.
Awesome video and review of 2 very good vehicles for off roading. I think for me the Tacoma would be my off roader. Once you add a rack with a tent system and put your camping equipment and some off roading equipment you'll have more than enough weight to make it work like the 4Runner.
7:55 Mm-hmm. I'm cheap, so I won't replace the Terra Grapplers that came with my 4R TRD Pro immediately, but I can't wait to throw on some BFG KO2's. The Terras suck in the rain and obviously they underperform in the snow too.
You’ll be very happy w the KO2s! I’ve put over 54k miles on mine, including lots of off-roading in CO, UT and CA, and still have about 10k miles left on them. No issues whatsoever!
When Nathan was having problems on the razor rocks, he should of used the crawl control, to see if it makes a difference.
he should, rather than using “ momentum”. there is a user manual that comes with a runner.
This is the perfect example of how not to use atrac, if you floor the gas like the video atrac will never work. You need to keep the gas pressed but barely enough to send power to the wheels so the tires start spinning and you let the systems do its thing. My 4runner takes around 30 secs or so for atrac to register the tires that need to be stopped and it works like magic after it kicks in. Just because you hear the system kick it when you turn atrac on it doesn't mean you can just go and not get stuck, you will need to wait for a few secs everytime you get stuck so atrac can do its math and witchcraft to figure out what the tires are doing and it will get you over almost anything you can thing of. I've found myself in some scary situations in the woods roading by myself and atrac rescued my ass so many times if you have a yota with atrac you need to do your research and practice how to use all the goodies it has so you don't struggle in trails that your yota can easily handle if you know how to drive it.
This is awesome! maybe you can do it again in the summer without the snow. Half the country (texas for example) never has that problem.
Really...I must have imagined being stuck in Dallas for two days because of an ice / snow storm. Or in Alpine, TX during a snow storm, or the week I spent in Amarillo when it snowed every day. Maybe you live in Huston or Galveston, but I can tell you that Texas gets snow.
I have to say that they're both exceptionally awesome, I have the 2020 Tacoma TRD Pro and 2019 4Runner TRD off road.
I am deciding between the two. Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.
"...as soon as I lock my wheels up, I turn into a very expensive sled...."
I felt that.
I'd love to see some tire comparison videos someday on different surfaces (sand, rock, snow, ice, etc.)
Very good video I think I would probably take the 4Runner
We need more Nathan! He is so funny, lets see him in more offroad tests!
Great video! Would love to see you guys compare the off-road performance between the 4Runner TRD Off-Road and the TRD Pro.
12:00, front end slides about a foot and half.
“Woah, front end slid about 10’.”
The videos are great but you guys made this trail look difficult. I didn’t bypass a single obstacle in a Lexus es300. I went up the ledge and both up and down that “razor rocks” section. If you guys ever go up near by I’d be up for a run. I still have my 87 Toyota that’s modded
These guys never heard of lowering tire pressure? Jesus Christ.
Love em both but 4runner all day!
The 4Runner is still made in Japan. The fit,finish and quality is way better than the Taco.
I had rear lockers in an FJ60, a rear locker and ATRAC in FJC, and a center locking diff with ATRAC in 100 series....and now in Tundra ATRAC only with no locker at all. I felt the ATRAC was a great system if you used it properly....keeping steady throttle and let the system work out the traction itself...dont keep letting off and punching it...steady with driver input for steering. Sometimes maybe light brake pressure...but worked outstanding.
Did anyone else think that Nathan said "This vehicle has an 8 track system" at 7:06?
Yep. I went back to hear it again.
I will admit,... .I sucked air through clenched teeth again, as Nathan used momentum to get over those steps on the trail. The 'Hitch Camera' did take a little hit there too.
Nice video, nice vehicles too.
Thanks Gentlemen!
Why can’t anyone just use crawl control properly. It’s like they just dont wanna learn or if they did they just dont want you to see how it works
Right? They always Completely refuse to use it when stuck
Yeah, they really missed an opportunity to showcase how it could have cleared an obstacle under control instead of letting momentum do it. Frustrating to watch over and over.
Of all the vehicles you have driven in the last 6 months is there one vehicle that impresses you the most, ie when you sit in it you automatically think "this is nice" and when you drive it you are equaly impressed.
00:35 Nathan "I've got style". Yeah, rockin' that 35 year old "biker" jacket is really stylin'!
Ahahaha. Total tool. He's got the beard dyed and everything. At least he didn't put the baseball cap on backwards. 🤣🤣😅
I can't wait to get a lift and tires for my 4runner. It just sucks that a lot of lift kits are sold out right now.
I think you were missing Tommy’s driving skills in this video..
Yup, those Goodyear Wrangler aren't very good. I just got rid of them and upgraded to Cooper Discover At3 4s 245/75/16 and they are severe snow flake rated and regardless I also own Bridgestone blizzaks also 245/75 on my 19 Tacoma trd 4x4. I have yet to try out my Coopers in the snow and unfortunately with all the snow falling I can't even try them out since I just had double hernia surgery 😤. But thanks for the great video to pass the time with 😊.
@@nebulosity1 nice, good to know they handle snow well. I am not a rock crawler so I also felt the Cooper was a better choice for what I do. My mpg has improved as well since I chose the 245 skinnier tire they are 37 pounds each versus the Wrangler 44 pounds. So I am finding myself averaging 19.5-20 mpg versus 17.5-19 mpg. I do drive like a grandpa now that I own a Tacoma lol.
Is it fair to say that the 4Runner is more comfortable to drive, seating position?
It is. I’m 6’3” and thats a huge reason I bought 4Runner over Tacoma
absolutely. if you're over 6' (especially with a longer torso) you're going to have a tough time in a 3rd gen tacoma (especially when equipped with a sunroof).
It's funny to me to hear people say that about the tacoma. I have a 20 OR with a sun roof. I'm 6'4 260lbs and really like the seating position. My head doesn't touch the roof even with a hat on. I find the seating position to be very similar to my 04 WJ.
If I did a LOT of off roading, in questionable terrain, and a LOT of camping inside the vehicle, the 4 runner might be the way to go, BUT..for 90% paved roads, and 10% off road, I think the every day versatility, of the double cab TRD OR 4x4 automatic, especially with a removable shell on the bed, suits me better, for my personal Al situation and needs.
4Runner for me please. Wish we had places to off-road here in dead Connecticut.
There’s some stuff nearby! NH has some decent roads (nothing compared to out west, but might satisfy the itch). There’s some stuff in NY and NJ too if you look.
8:35 you could tell Nathan was fuming inside lmao "i DoNt haVe The bEtTer VeHicLe"
@tfl love your videos, I would love to see how the 4Runner does towing a trailer at max capacity.
Yeah, maybe add a bunch of cargo too so it's real world!
@@nebulosity1 nice! I have a 16' SR5 and looking into buying an RV that is 3513 lbs dry weight, which is very close to the 5000 lbs max tow rating. So wanting to see how it does, would be nice @tfl will take it up the IKE Gauntlet
60k+ vehicles and they come with the cheapest garbage tires they can find. Just bought a 2021 TRD off road pro 4 runner and the first place i went was to the tire shop. Id rather have 2 wheel drive with great tires then all the bells and whistle's on shit tires.
1 mpg can make a difference if your doing some overlanding
To an extent, but if you are doing over landing, you are probably already packing extra fuel.
Yeah, I went with a stock size AT on my 4Runner, and lost 40 miles of range per tank.
Yes Carrying extra fuel is almost always a requirement, but that 1 mpg can mean carry 25 extra gals or 30 extra gals. Read about people doing the Arizona strip or watch a couple of videos of the Pony Express trail, Tacomabeast That 4Runner will be more limited on how much extra fuel it can carry
4runner driver around 7:00 talked a bout all the controls (ATRAC, crawl control) then proceeds to use none of them and gets frustrated
😂😂😂
I watch you guys do things with your trucks so I don't have to. Gonna do an update on my Taco soon.
The Kevlar on the Tacoma is actually a higher grade tire than what is on the 4runner. The Kevlar is supposed to compete with the KO2, so it does not surprise me that you struggled in the snow on those Nittos.
Andre is always out of breath when off-roading 😀
that's because he is the one pushing the truck, they just don't show you that part.☺
He's outta shape
Crawl control sounds like a$$ ... but its ability to dig a 4Runner out of some serious holes is pretty well documented.
I love the content u guys make 👍
Thank you so much!
Love both of these vehicles. people will nitpick and complain about things but whatever. There's issues with every make. At the end of the day I trust Toyota more than I do other manufacturers. If you want to trade in your truck every couple of years then go with another make I guess. These trucks aren't really meant for trading in every couple of years, this time around I actually want to have a paid off vehicle, and it be a reliable after that.
Andre and Nathan, If a #manual Tacoma makes sense, a manual 4Runner would make just as much sense.
Nathan dogging the traction aids is so annoying. I had a 78 CJ-5 and now I have a 2020 4Runner Trd. There is zero question which vehicle is better off road. The traction aids enhance driver skill. So a skilled off road driver will go much better using the technology than not. It's not a macho thing. It's understanding and leveraging the technology to your advantage
We would also like to see The raptor you purchased with a tune and possible upgrades to the turbo system or a 2 inch lift
Thanks for the suggestion.
No, it's a stock vs stock test. Nobody wants them to lift it, or tune it, or upgrade the turbos. That isn't a fair comparison.
@@gasolinediesel972 well I sure do. It would be great videos
@@ripfletching No it wouldn't. If you wanna see a build, then go watch a build series. If they do all that shit to it, then they can't compare it to the TRX, because it's not fair.
@@gasolinediesel972 no need for me to reply to you!!
On Snow Chains are the Bee's Knees. I want to have a 4Runner bad but last fall I have my Sierra 1500 6.5ft box full to almost the top of the topper with hunting gear for a Week for 3 guys. If it was not for my annual hunting trip out west I would have a 4Runner
Whoever is revisioning the editing. Give them my applause.
Glad to see Nathan In a video again. Been awhile on the Offroad channel