7 Women Who Escaped Marrying Henry VIII
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Henry VIII is famous for marrying 6 wives, abandoning 2 of them and beheading another 2. Some might say he ruined their lives! And though they may have briefly been Queens, they also likely cursed they met the royal tyrant. In his Majesty’s search for new brides there were a handful of ladies whom he considered, but either turned down, or rejected him. Let’s meet the 8 lucky ladies who managed to avoid a fateful walk down the aisle with the murderous monarch. And consider how their lives, and history might have been different if they had married Henry VIII.
Potential 1st Wives:
Marguerite de Angoulême, Queen of Navarre
Eleanor of Austria, Queen of Portugal & France
Potential 4th Wives:
Mary of Guise, Queen of Scotland
Maria of Portugal, Duchess of Viseu
Christina of Denmark
Amelia of Cleves
Potential 7th Wife:
Katherine Willoughby (Catherine Brandon), Duchess of Suffolk
Real Wives:
Catherine of Aragon
Anne Boleyn
Jane Seymour
Anne of Cleves
Catherine Howard
Catherine Parr
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Out of all his wives I’d say Anne of Cleves’ life wasn’t ruined by her marriage to Henry. She made no objection to the divorce and in return Henry gave her a great estate and the status of the king’s sister, which allowed her to live the rest of her life as a rich and independent woman. She was the longest living of all Henry’s queens.
Historical records indicate the realities of single women at this point in time isn't as good as it seems. The musical "Six" doesn't reflect this reality either. This was a world society that was quite harsh on single women. Anne wasn't particularly educated as a Royal Bride should be. She knew how to run a household, but she wasn't aware of how babies were actually made. She had no idea how to act in England for it wasn't her culture either. Her family all but abandoned her when she was divorced because a rejected bride is a shame to royal families.
Still to her credit, she adapted to her circumstances, found peace with it. She was smart enough to take advantage as "King's Sister" to keep herself fed but wasn't really "rich." She still had to ask for financial support from those in her family still talking to her.
So...yeah, they're not completely wrong in saying Anne of Cleves' life was ruined, it was just ruined more quietly compared to the others. It doesn't negate the fact however that she's still a very strong woman in her own right. She may have been ignorant, but she wasn't stupid.
She wasn't independent financially. She had to ask for money from Edward/ Elizabeth/ etc to support her houses. At one point she was selling her items to support her staff
Henry also genuinely liked Anne, even though they weren't a good match. They got along extremely well and he invited her to all the events at court.
@@LauraFromMarkerQuest he 'liked' her because she was the one wife who didn't fight him over his request for divorce. The rest did,other than his widow.
Teeny correction, Anne of Cleves outlived Henry by the longest. Catherine of Aragon was the one who had the longest life since she was the only one of the six to make it to her 50s.
The lady who said she would marry him if she 2 heads cracked me up.
That line is almost certainly apocryphal. Christina was far too smart to say something so stupid, given at the time she was a 19 year old widow with very little to her name.
In any case, it was the decision of Christina’s aunt Mary on whether the marriage happened or not, since Christina was still below the age of majority and under Mary’s wardship
The depiction of the scene in
The Tudors was epic
As a Dane it sounds like something that one of our princesses would say just not at that time
That lady was princess christina of denmark
😅😅😅😅😅😅 I know right I laughed as well
i like that you colored the time lines for each of his actual wives the same colors as they have in six the musical
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Please do a series on French kings. The history of Europe is incomplete without France.
Yesssssss
Yes yes!
Right I've been wanting one for yearss
Yes! I’d love this!
or Scottish Kings/Queens
Divorced, beheaded and died
Divorced, beheaded, survived
I'm Henry the eighth, I had six sorry wives
Some might say I ruined their lives
What melody matches up to this?
@@Minnapu oh sweet, I've been using the rhyme to teach people about his wives and it'll be fun to add melody for seemingly no reason 😋
Catherine of Aragon was one
She failed to give me a son
I had to ask her for a **divorce**
That broke her poor heart, of course
@@SEGASisterYoung Anne Boleyn, she was two
Had a daughter, the best she could do. *I* said she flirted with some other man, then off to the chop went dear Anne
I love the comment the duchess of Milan said about marry henry.
The Cleves sisters received a different education than English noble women, but not a poor one. While the education of noble girls in England focused on music (playing instruments & dancing), court manners, how to dress to impress, probably foreign languages etc, German noble women back then were taught to run an estate, financial matters, cooking & sewing to gain knowledge and control of expenses and thus to have a better control of servants. Anne of Cleces was famous for her cooking skills which the English nobility found quite an odd skill for a woman of high society.
English Nobles: Why are you cooking?!
Anne: Because I'm hungry?
Nobles: *flabbergasted*
Anne: let me make you a stew.
Her guests: 😮...yes please.
Anne of Cleves did pretty well. She ended up with a couple of palaces and money. She was considered Henry's "sister" and had a high standing at court, only behind his two daughters and his wife.
Yep correct and survived and also fun fact Anne of Cleves supported Elizabeth and Mary and treated them both kindly and equally
Poor Eleanor. Seperated from her daughter, only to be rebuffed when she finally met her 28 years later.
Sorry im late, i was trying to draft a death warrant for Henry Tudor
Please do a video on the Queen Consorts of France + princesses/dauphines who didn’t make it to be Queen. I would love to know more about Queen Marie Leszczyńska!
Same!!!
If Marguerite had married Henry their son would not have been King of France as Salic law would not allow inheritance through female line. Henry of Navarre became King of France through his father not his mother.
True but that would not have stopped Henry from trying to push the claim. Edward III also pushed his claim on the French throne, claiming descent from his mother. He also started the 100 years war over it. 🤷🏾♀️
Yes,Henry Of Navarre Was A Direct Male Line Descendant Of Hugh Capet,King Of The Franks,Through Robert Of Clairmount,The 7th Son Of Louis The IX,Saint Louis Of France,I'm Not Sure Of His Birth Order,But He Was A Younger Son Of Louis IX Of The Direct Capetian Line.
@@MissRyukkie I had a history teacher who summed it up. Referring to the fact that, in England they had no problem letting rulers inherit through a female line, and that they started in 1066 as Noeman Dukes bound to homage to the French throne, she used to say mist of the problems were because "By English law English kings are the boss of France, and by French law French kings are the boss of England."
@@MissRyukkieHenry would've most definitely pushed his son's claim to the french throne
All the queen hunting and divorcing was illegal according to the Catholic church, and look how well that worked to stop him.
Every time you say the name 'Hans Holbien', the song from the musical starts playing in my head.
HANS HOLBEIN GOES AROUND THE WORLD 🎶
Painting all of ze BEAUTIFUL girls! 🎶
@@SEGASister From Spain to France und Germany
ze king chooses one, but which one will it be?
In the House of Holbein! YA! Das is gud!!
the girls slayed when they made jokes about being beheaded, i really appreciate the sense of humor
"I may be a big woman (5'11"), but I have a very little neck." Ha, ha.
It's highly likely Henry's distaste for Anne was all show to create a public history of inability to consumate in order to annul the marriage later. When he contracted to marry her, neither Henry nor Cromwell had any idea her brother the Duke was deeply involved in a territory dispute with Emperor Charles: he actively hid it from them because he wanted to count on Henry's support if it came to war (which it did, a big one) By the time they found out, Anne was in England. It would have been disastrous for England to have gone into that war on the side of Cleves. Henry probably set up the whole "I like her not" thing to enable him to get out of a very bad alliance. Cromwell was probably executed not because he brought the king an ugly wife, but because he had blindly led him into a dangerous alliance that could have destroyed the fragile but profitable peace made between Charles and Henry after Katharine's death.
This is the best explanation I have heard. And that she went along with whatever he asked of her, meant that he could be beneficent and set her up in style. And, yes, I think he didn’t dislike her, she just wasn’t a bright Catherine Howard. They probably got along a lot better after Catherine’s execution, and there was even talk of them remarrying - something which I think Henry didn’t dare to do as it would have made all of the previous pretences, a mockery.
@@annwilliams6438 Maybe, but also that territorial war between the Emperor and the Duke of Cleves was in full swing in 1542-3, so it would have been even more of a disaster to marry her after Catherine Howard than before.
Edit: The problem with marrying Protestant princesses is that it binds you to Protestant rulers swamped between the Holy Roman Empire and France. Conflicts you will be expected to participate in are inevitable. But marrying a Catholic puts the new religious path of England at risk. Add to that a picky king who rejects the idea of a purely political marriage, who always has and expects to always be "in love" with his wife. I don't think, at that point, he really could have married anyone but a subject. There were just too many potential disasters behind every door.
@@danaglabeman6919He also liked to feel that his wives couldn’t refuse him, stand up to him or outshine him, so it was less likely that he would have been happy with a woman who came from a family that could back her up against him. Much of his difficulty in disposing of Katherine of Aragon came from the fact that her male relatives were Kings and Emperors.
@@gabrielamora6265 I totally see that. "Hmmm, the LAST time I had to get rid of a wife with powerful relatives...."
There's a facial reconstruction channel (whose name escapes me atm..Royalty Now 🤷) who did an episode on Anne, and based on their results she was actually quite attractive.
His overexertions in the bedroom likely killed him.😂 I don't know why, but that is so funny.😂
Holy jumping spiders there were 7 women who escaped king Henry wow they must have been pretty smart i can already think of a musical for them.
I have to admit a couple of them are not my idea of a beauty.
Six part 2: Seven!
@@lenabluejay1166 the wives who survived
There was another one! Mary Howard, cousin of Katheryn Howard.
These ladies dodged a very large bullet.
Idk if this is meant to be a normal metaphor or a metaphor with a small pun about his size help
Nah, it was tactical nuke(literally)
I love these historical “what if” videos you do Lindsay! Please keep them coming. 😌
Had things been just a little different, Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots might've been half-sisters...
I must stop at 7:50: I enjoy listening to your videos, but please, please, please read the more recent research on Juana done by Bethany Aram and Gillian Fleming, and even the older biography, "Castles and the Crown", by Townsend Miller: Juana was NOT drowning in sorrow at Philip's death, and more than likely was NOT suffering from mental instability. She was not shut away by Fernando because of concern for her sanity but because she was the queen regnant in Castile and Fernando needed the power and authority of Castile to continue his own influence. Before that, Philip was doing the same. After Fernando, Charles would double the efforts, because as long as she was alive, he could not legally be king. And, bitter joke on him, she lived until 1555, the year Charles abdicated.
We need more history but like smaller kingdoms that barely anyone knew existed would be nice
I absolutely agree with you.
Lindsay! Please do a series on the Habsburg rulers. Love your content! You deserve your ascent to 1 M. Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤
I think she already did a series in the Hapaburgs, though
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7:26 That's impossible. France followed Salic law, which completely barred women & their descendants from claiming the throne. After the 3 sons of Henry III of France died, Philip II of Spain claimed the Frence throne for his daughter, since his mother was Henry's sister, but a significant amount of French nobility refused, invoking the Salic law. Henry IV was chosen because he was a 9th male-line descendant of Louis IX of France.
Yes, but although your general Idea is correct, there are two mistakes that confused me: 1) You should write after the 3 sons of Henry II of died. The last of his sons who became king was Henry III but he did not have any legitime children. 2) Philippe II claimed the throne not through his mother who was Isabel of Portugal but through his third wife Elisabeth de Valois who was the mother of his daughter and at the same time king Henry III of France's sister. Maybe you meant "since her mother was ..." instead of his mother.
I feel like we should get a video on the Kings and Queens of Portugal.
And France.
And Spain.
Marguerites son would not inherit France because women are excluded in French succession. but maybe another hundred years war.
There's two ways the rhyme could have went with seven wives: Divorced, beheaded, the one who died, divorce, beheaded, beheaded, survived. But personally, I think it woul be better the original one with an s on the second "beheadeds".
nine wives: divorced beheaded died divorced beheaded died divorced beheaded survived
Lindsay, I just wanted to say thank you so much for your videos! I am a leather-carver working from home all day, everyday and your videos are my favorites to listen to while I'm tooling. It is always just a great joy when I get to learn more history while I'm working on my projects. Hopefully someday I'll get to join you on one of your trips!
Thank you! What a cool job!
Anne's son died before she was executed. If Henry wasn't such a monster perhaps they would have eventually had another son that survived maybe more than one.
0:18 the thumbnail you used is my favourite song! ❤
Damn, there's an alternate History, what if Henry was allied to France
Henry IV didn't inherite the throne because of his mother and grandmother due to salic law. He was in line to the throne because HIS FATHER, Anthoine belonged to the house of Bourbon, descended from Robert, son of King Louis IX. Henry viii didn't. If Marguerite had married Henry, Antoine's legitimate offspring (with whatever woman he would have got married) would have inherited the throne after Henry III.
This made no sense
Could you please do a series of videos on Russian history? I love it so much but it’s so confusing especially with all the usurping that was going on during the 18th century😭
Pls do a video on the descendants of those women whom avoided being married to king Henry the 8th
LOVE your English history videos Lindsay! English history is my favorite subject and you're my favorite teacher! Than for all your hardwork ❤❤❤❤
She does have a good history narrator voice.
Marguerite didn't convert to Protestanism. She was born and died as a Catholic. She just was open to reforming the Church, while condemning Protestanism.
I wonder if any of them who were passed over just felt relieved any time news of another wife’s fate reached them.
As you make more videos of Henry VIII, the more shade is thrown 😂 I live for the Henry VIII reading session.
So is it insinuated that Maria of Portugal blamed her mom Eleanor for the lack of marriage prospects? Did she really resent her mom for looking like a Hapsburg? That's really sad if that's true. I feel bad for Eleanor
Can you please do a series on French palaces and castle like how you did with England 😅😊LOVE YOUR VIDEOS ❤
"If I had two heads, then one will be at His Majesty's disposal. Alas, I have only this one."
Christina of Denmark was only 16 when she turned down Henry VIII
It's horrible how all these women were essentially considered as pawns in marriage, as far as the men in their lives were concerned. At least they didn't end up divorced or beheaded.
No wonder seven women don't even know about Henry the eight at all, glad neither of them didn't get a chance with him.
Oh they knew. Most were just lucky to not meet the man in person.
Make more videos on the Stuart era queens and consorts... and french kings... please, I love your videos
Maria and her mother too me did not look that Ugly, they look Pretty in their own way to me.
"And the rhyme just wouldn't have worked."
Hell, even with four wives, it would've worked better. "Divorced, Beheaded, Died, Survived." Could be used as a jump-roping song.
Henry VIII did not instigate the war that killed James IV of Scotland. James took advantage of Henry being out of his kingdom at war with France and chose to invade England with a vast army. However, Henry's faithful and capable queen, Katherine of Aragon raised an army led by the powerful Howard's, and slaughtered James IV and the Scots nobility at the battle of Flodden Field on 9th September 1513. Basically therefore, James IV tried his luck but failed. Also, Mary of Guise died of dropsy so please don't even mention the silly claim in the historically inaccurate film ELIZABETH that she was poisoned by the agents of Queen Elizabeth I.
Please could you do a series on French palaces and castles because they outshine other 😊
Even if he was told that it has been proven scientifically that the man decides the sex and the womens genetics decide the quantity of babies he still would blame the women for not giving him a male heir. Love that Queen Elizabeth I outlived them all and had a very long reign
No disrespect to Jane Seymour, but I don’t put stock in the notion that she was “the love of [Henry VIII’s] life” (15:15). His “favorite”, yes - she birthed the son he wanted above all things and died before he became disenchanted with her. But you get the sense he’d lost the capacity to love disinterestedly by the time he met Jane.
::shrugging:: It doesn’t really matter. I just get peeved that Henry’s PR attempt to erase his love story with Catherine of Aragon actually gained traction!
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"Henry the 8th wanted to wed the baby queen..."(me snapping my head)"... to his 5 year old son" me oh okay
7:20 France might not have been ruled by a descendant of Henry VIII and Marguerite because of the Salic Law of Succession!
Love! Please come to Jamaica, I plan and guide historical trips too!
Oooh! My teen was waiting for this video😍 Time to go down another Tudor rabbit hole fueled by autism, this should be a fun time, thanks Lindsay!👌💐❤
I was wondering if you could please do a series on French kings? I would loveee that
Another tuesday another amazing video by the Queen of History! Your voice is so soothing and amazing to listen to Lindsay! Could hear you for hours talking about painting and never get bored! Always look forward to your content, all those AI history documentaries out there have NOTHING on you! Huge fan! Can you please consider a video on Blessed Karl?
Lindsay, please do one about the monarchs of Sweden, Scotland, or Ireland.....or Greece.....or Norway.....or Iceland lol ❤
Please do french kings history, love your videos very informative.
Please please please do a series on French monarchs I beg you
hi linsday. im a fan of your videos. can you do the marcos family of the philipines plz
My name is *Catherine of Aragon* was married 24 years I am a paragon of Royalty my loyalty is to the veteran so if you try to dump me you won’t try that again
(Continue in the comments!)
(Beheaded)
I’m that Boelyn girl yeah i’m up next. See I broke England from the church. Yeah i’m that sexy why did I lose my head? Well my sleeves may be green but my lipstick red.
Lindsay you are amazing and I love your videos 😊
Marie de Guise is Mary Queen of Scots mother.
Love this!! Please can you do a video about Philip Sidney and his daughter Elizabeth? They both have incredible stories and I don’t know how Elizabeth hasn’t had her own tv show yet. Her story is crazy!!!
🎶Don't worry, don't lose your head 🎶
I love your videos. Please make a video about Grand Duchy of Lithuania nobility. ❤
I have always wanted to know about these women.
Should note that Marguerite's line that technically inherited the throne of France but because her daughter married Antoine who was a direct male line descendant of Louis IX. Had she married Henry and Francis' line still gone extinct it would have still passed to the Bourbons, just possible a different branch of them. I think the whole Hundred Years War thing showed England they had no business trying to rule France.
Hiii im really huge fan of yours. Your the reason why im so much interested in history, and why im continuing to study it. But I have a request, could you do a video about the history of king Baldwin the lV please 💛💛💛
Thank God!, Those women escaped from being married to King Henry VIII🌺
Christina of Milan was a savage 😂❤
the house of windsor is not descended from the stuarts, they are from germany
The house of Windsor is a direct descendant of James VI/I Stuart and therefore the house of Stuart
Henry VIII wanted to marry the baby queen-"🫨"-to his son"😌😮💨
eh, yep after the death of his third wife...he needed to try for baby number 4 pronto. By number 4, he was never going to make a baby.
I’m loving the Queens but I will love to see some video about Kings because I will love to get to know more about them
Can you do more history on asia specifically the Philippines
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Its gross how back then royals were forced to be married young to preserve peace between countries (Even if the bride and groom probably did not like each other of course most did)
Or older kings marrying younger people (Such as Katherine Howard who was only 19 she was young and nieve) I'm only 20 and would not consider getting married for at least another 10 years.
This is one of my favorite videos on this channel! Such a creative premise!!!
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Anne of Cleves was smarter than people gave her credit for. She gave Henry what he wanted right away. She was smart. An got to live her life pretty much how she wanted. The key with Henry was to give up.
7:31 = Well, I ran thru the calculation. It's almost exactly the same thing in OTL! Only 2 successful pregnancies, 1 son & 1 daughter in that order. But Baby Henry dies after a year, while Mary/Jeanne (whatever her name would be) would've been born a year or 2 later. She would actually live longer tho, by another 25 years. & She would've been more Protestant in nature, & wouldn't be Queen of England.... due to her mother accepting the annulment deal. Thus making Anne Bolynn her step-mom, with the same events playing out (just 7 years sooner). But this causes a bit of difference tho, as Henry wouldn't be as impatient with Anne. This is because the 7 year legal nightmare never happened, meaning Anne has more time to provide a son. If she fails the hypothetical 3rd time, then she dies & everything remains the same!! If she succeeds, then she would remain Queen of England for the rest of Henry's life!!! No Queen Jane, No Queen Anne, & No Queen Catherines. Everything works out better here for decades to come!!!!
If she fails.... Henry might not have married Jane Seymour tho, due to her being Catholic (unless she converted sooner, due to the annulment being granted & 7 years early!). But then again, why would Henry seek an Annulment from the Pope.... if he broke with Rome much sooner?! 😂
Also, England being Protestant sooner.... would make the FWR different. For French Protestants would find it easier to escape to England, & thus building up a stronger campaign against Catholic France!! Their daughter could claim to be the Protestant Queen of France!!! 🇫🇷 (The Annulment only Barred her from England's Throne!) It's possible the FWR would end in a Stalemate, leading to 2 separate French Kingdoms. 1 Catholic, the other Protestant!! A succession crisis would occur within the Catholic half tho, If the King is still assassinated exactly the same way!!! England & Protestant France would be strong allies with each other, due to the Queens being sisters. Elizabeth would be under more pressure to marry tho, unless she doesn't mind a Protestant Nibling taking over England!!!!
Time-line #2: Even if we were generous enough, to say Baby Henry lived to adulthood. He would've only outlived his father & uncle by 7 years! Henry the 8th wouldn't bother to annul his marriage to Margaret, in this situation. Tho this would cause strife in the marriage (Ironically), for Henry wouldn't see the need to break with Rome!!😮 France & England would unite, upon Henry's the 8th "Male-line" grandson or Great-grandson taking the throne. Albeit, England 🏴 & France 🇫🇷 would both remain Catholic!!!😮😮
You have oversimplified the situation that went on in Denmark-Sweden-Norway.
Denmark lost Sweden in 1520, while Christine (Her Danish name) was still a child and living in the Netherlands with her aunt. Even if she did have a claim to the Danish-Swedish throne, she would have lost her claim to the Swedish throne before the Habsburgs started to put their support behind her.
Her father was arrested in 1523 and forced off the throne. No longer a King and he spent the rest of his life in prison. He was replaced with his uncle, King Frederik the I. Christian was however used as a political pawn in Denmark's Civil War of 1534-36, by the Hanseatic City of Lübeck, who in reality wanted to put their own candidate on the throne. But he never himself took any part in the war. He was first imprisoned at Sønderborg Castle and after King Christian the III had made peace with the Netherlands, he was moved to the no longer existing Kalundborg Castle, where he died in 1559.
Denmark was an Elective Monarchy at the time and therefore it wasn't agiven that Christian the II's children could have taken the throne. And as there had yet to have been an official female monarch on the Danish throne, it would have been doubtful the nobility would have elected her as Queen.
The Habsburgs refused to acknowledge King Frederik and later his son, King Christian the III as Kings of Denmark, and that is why they threw their support behind Christian the II's daughters already in 1523. NOT after Christian the II died. Because King Christian the III made peace with the Habsburgs and they acknowledged him before Christian the II's death. This we know because King Christian the III died a month before Christian the II.
good to think that more women escaped him than otherwise😭 I really wish little Henry duke of Cornwall had lived :/
Amazing video Lindsay!
sometimes history can be a tough one to find engaging for some people but your videos always make me on the edge of my seat, always making the people come to life. i love hearing the same human experiences being had through time, though it’s always sad when they didn’t have the clarity we do now whether medical or social taboos.
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Do you think the actual current royals have to learn about how they’re connected and related to these vast numbers of historical people. lol
like, the part where you said that the current royals are descendants of Mary of geese and not Henry the VIII
I’m sorry but that portrait of Francois at 1:40 is so funny 😭
27:08
I have never found this portrait of Catherine flattering. I know she is supposed to be young and beautiful, but Anne of Cleves in her portrait looks prettier than Catherine in this portrait.
For some reason in this one the narration seemed so fast. I had to rewind and rewatch multiple times because the pictures and narrative were flipping by and I couldn't grasp what was being said before it was on to the next...
I'M LEVITATING BRO THE SIX COLORS 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
“But the only offer came from an eleven year old boy, so she never married.”
Pfft. That’s hilarious.
Really interesting, thank youn🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
They still have heads in the palace with Henry 8. That's amazing (•‿•)
Lol thank god lol and the fact the princesses that made fun of him and knew that they said it was hilarious 😅😅😅
The rhyme really would've been a disaster
looks like you were in the fountain gardens in paisley where william wallace was born
Christina ..is basically Tudor era Millie Bobby Brown.