Is It Possible to Beat Sonic Adventure with Only Big the Cat? (PART 1)
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Omg 4 player co-op of SA would be diggity dope
TetraBitGaming looking forward to that collab 😏
Minus World collab? 🤔
Charriii5 do it
same reaction
Can I join!?? Haha as if I had a chance haha. If you guys do I can't wait for it.
When you switch the characters I can't help but hear stuff like "My turn!" "Here we go" "Got it!" "Leave it to me!"
I could literally hear that, as I was reading it
Lol I always heard Knuckles saying, "Shit rocks! Yeah!"
😂
HWHEEE!
@@sawaii8979 MY HEAD'S SPINNING
WHAT I WILD RIDE
PIECE OF CAKE
The only Sonic stage that you can legitimately beat as Big only...
...And it's *_Speed Highway._*
How ironic😂
EPG is crying
But..
But it's *Speed Highway*
Big the Cat: *runs as fast as the speed of light or even faster*
Now it's just "Highway" though, lol.
2 statements that were never said till today:
"I wish Big's story wasn't so short"
"I wish Big had more levels"
I wish Big had a platforming fangame. Also, big fun.
@@tricmagic I wouldn't mind that either. Maybe with the fishing gameplay still included, albeit definitely altered to actually make sense and be fun.
When I heard that I had to check to make sure it wasn't April 1st.
Taz_ It already makes sense and is fun. You’re supposed to hold the stick up when Froggy is faux-biting
@@greenD7244 It's pretty clunky and fails as a game mode because it never once teaches the player how to do it properly.
It's pretty much ripped from other fishing games of the time, but that shouldn't be a reason not to teach the player properly.
That being said though, having to play a Fishing Minigame as part of SA1's main story (when in reality it has almost nothing to do with the story and it's basically chasing a frog around on repeat,) is an issue in and of itself.
big's center of gravity was so large that he fell DOWN A TORNADO
He too fat
@@Overlord_Henry Big got dat chunk
I've gone through and tried to figure out how this game's physics work in detail in the past, so I think I might be able to explain a few things about Big's strange interactions with springs, ramps, and dash panels. It might be a little long-winded, though...
The reason springs don't send Big very far is that he has the highest gravity of any character, and the springs in every level are given launch speeds with the character playing that level in mind. This is also why springs launch Amy so much farther, her gravity is half of Sonic's and less than a third of Big's.
Dash panels set your speed to a value that's set for every dash panel, as well as lock your ability to control your movment for a certain number of frames. It's as if you're not using the control stick at all, you're just at the mercy of your character's deceleration. Big loses speed significantly faster than any other character, which is a problem with dash panels, but not the main problem.
The main problem with dash panels is the same as the problem with the ramps. Horizontal speed and vertical speed are both capped in Sonic Adventure. For all characters except Big, these caps are much faster than any character can naturally move. Big's horizontal speed cap is only slightly faster than Sonic can run on his own, less than a third of any other character's, which means he goes basically nowhere when launched by a dash panel or ramp. His vertical speed cap is also half of everyone else's, which means that springs that are supposed to send you really far really fast don't. That's probably what happened in the sky section of windy valley, Big's speed was capped at a lower speed than what the spring sends you at.
On top of all this... While running on flat ground, Big is slightly faster than Amy. Big, however, appears to be somewhat aggressively designed to be anti-momentum, and he's the only outlier in that regard. Everyone else can gain extra speed and keeps that speed so much better. Even something as simple as jumping gives Amy the edge over Big, since she has more time to build a bit of extra speed in the air and keeps that speed so much better than him. Big's physics are so weird in this game compared to everyone else.
I'm not sure exactly what's going on with the springs and how you're affecting them with your controls. I didn't look into that much. That's very strange... I know spring launches affect your gravity direction, but I honestly don't know how that works.
It's interesting to see that the scoop things in Speed Highway are actually based on your movement speed when you enter them. Because of dash panels, that's not normally something I'd consider or think about, but Big's speed cap and deceleration means you have to find another way. His horizontal movement in the air is thankfully the same as everyone else's apart from his low speed cap. That was pretty cool! That was not the stage I was expecting to be totally possible with Big.
The thing with the wall panels in Lost World is interesting. My guess is that the panels work based on the character's position, a single point in 3D space, and Big's hitbox is just too big and pushes him far enough away from the wall that they don't work.
You can see a LOT of interesting things about how the game works here. Very cool! I'm excited for part 2!
Very Interesting!
All I knew about SA's physics before this comment was "Sonic fast, Big slow"
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Man, kinda crazy how much effort they put into it. Just imagining the difficulties of programming the details of gravity back in 1998, even after looking at games like Mario 64 had to be INSANELY difficult. The long gap between Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure is almost warranted when you consider all that.
Is this also tied to kart speed ? I remember karts being different for everyone and switching to tikal/eggman would blow them up
“Sees and spring or dash panel”
Big: Ahh shit here we go again
Is it bad i read that in big's voice XD
@@arcana7421 no.
But here’s the most important question:
“CAN BIG BEAT BIG’S STORY?”
Lol, Press F for Everybody's Sanity!!!!
Dude, don’t recommend challenges that are 100% impossible
@@TonyExists It's actually shockingly easy when you learn how it works. I went from not being able to pass the first level in 9 years to completing it Big's story around 15 - 20 minutes later.
no.
Hmmm thats a very hard challenge
Chaos 4 is the most appropriate "normal" boss for Big since it's basically a monster fish in a lake.
Seeing Big just standing on that police car, giving both Chaos and _the player_ a soulless stare is what this whole challenge is about.
"Big is the opposite of speed."
The entire Video and every one afterwards in a nutshell.
WC3fanatic997 except for speed themed stages
Big after Speed Highway: Damn, I’m good.
Big in all boss battles except Egg Viper: Yeah, piece of cake.
Big everywhere else: This really pisses me off.
My fav thing about this series and the Gamma series is that you actually go through the entire game, you don't just stop at a road block. I find the answers to how MUCH of the game Big can beat wildly more fascinating than just stopping when he can't progress
The reason Big doesn't appear during all of the cutscene shots is because different models of the characters are used during cutscenes.
Answer: No it’s not because you will run out of sanity before you reach the end of the game
[SLIIIIIIIDE GUITAR]
well to be fair, it's a reference to Sega Bass Fishing lol
"I know what you're thinking. I wish Big's story wasn't so short. I wish it had more levels"
Unironically, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
When he said we couldn't beat sonic adventure big only I could hear the screems of several dying stars.
No.
Just no.
As well as the shattering of millions of hearts.
no words can describe this tragedy brought to me today.
It's a big let down
@@BlueflagAlphaa **big** let down.
Big is another kind of being from everyone. He went everywhere in Sonic Adventure 2 before you even got there. Isolated prison Islands, meteorites created from the broken moon, pyramids, a space station, nothing is beyond his capability.
We are unworthy of playing Big in other levels because he does not wish to go and we are of no great stature to countermand his will.
“See, I TOLD you Big The Cat’s Roller Coaster Action Fishing would become a thing! A Kickstarter was made by none other than my best friend Froggy! I had to break the game and everything to catch him this time! BUY MY BOOK!”
Josh Twomey It’s even funnier when you realise that Big’s Big Fishing Adventure 3 was supposed to be real completed fan game but we’ve never heard from it again since the demo years ago.
XenoCrossette I hate how some vocal fans ruined the Big voice for Jon. That was the best part of that LP!
Speaking of unused voice lines. Does anyone remember how in the dreamcast version, whenever you went in the sewer elevator, Big's tail wouldn't fit so he would say ow when the elevator closed on it? It doesnt happen in the DX version
Lol what? I know exactly what you’re talking about- but I haven’t played the original Adventure 1 in like 17 years now, so I don’t remember ever hearing that line, but if it’s true, why the hell would they remove that in DX? They made some truly baffling decisions in that release.
@@Samaritan16 yeah they even changed the voices around for some actions, for example: in the original Tails would say Yeah! but in dx he's like EYAH! Happy and then serious or something. I think the dx ones are from the E3 beta
@@Samaritan16 17 YEARS?!
You’re making me want to play through the Dreamcast version again just to find all these little secrets
@@Zonefire15 apparently that's the Japanese voice
I wonder if Heroes Big could beat the game. Maybe using level mods to play Adventure levels in Heroes in order to even try.
There is a physics mod that has Heroes Big physics in it,but I haven't tried it so,maybe...
I feel the umbrella physics alone would be a godsend in a run like this
heroes big is best big and i want him back
hoshihearts omochaooo wdym adventure big is superior to heroes big
He’s an amazing fisher and that itself beats anything any character could ever do
Heroes Big would breeze through this game
I find it kinda strange that Big doesn't have his own version of Lost World. Not only is a stage with lots of water that could have potential fishing spots, but the temple is like, right by his house, so it'd make sense for Froggy to run their first. He could fish in a modified version of that small pool just after the water slide and before the "cheese puff" boulder. Also, Lost world is the only Action Stage to be visited by only 2 characters, every other stage is visited by 3 characters. I also wonder if big can swim in the part with the stone snake using the Life Belt (though, if Gamma is any indication, it likely wouldn't work, but he might be able to swim past the mirror section).
Seeing Big slowly walking in the scripted events was hilarious. Also the softlock at 33:43 happened to me in a normal playthrough somehow, so RIP Big
it's honestly a little sad that Big got shoehorned as a Fishing minigame in a platformer. honestly would have been interesting if Big's Gameplay was more precision based than momentum based than the other charaters. with keep the fishing aspect for stuff like pulling out of reach objects, swining like a grappling hook and hitting foes but beyond that bigs could have easily been an interesting Precsion Based platforming charater where everything is about using the correct abilities at the right time. to offset big's large size and weight.
I really love how switching to big in the kart section blows it the FUCK UP. That's absurdly hilarious.
He's so fat, that a sudden change of mass, just DESTROYS the Kart to smithereens.
I wonder if giving Big his flotation belt would function normally in other character's stages. Something like Emerald Coast might even be fully possible with Big, since you could presumably float around most of the stage. Might be something neat to try out in time trials, at least.
I doubt Emerald Coast has functional, normal water.
I admit, the "Thumbnail implies pain" route is really good when it's not just someone posing looking annoyed
Big: I must find Froggy.
Spring: Loose some weight, fatso
Booster: Not enough speed, slow poke.
Random slope: Git Gud Scrub.
Casino: OHSH*TOHSHI*TOHSH*TOHSHI*TOHSHI*T
Big the Cat: Can outrun an orca
Also Big: Can't go up ramps
30:30 Best guess is that the game is checking the character's position to make sure you're "in" the roller coaster car, but because Big's model is bigger, he doesn't get low enough. So basically, it's like...
"Is he in the car yet?"
"No, he's just barely above it."
"Alright, I'll wait."
*Switches to Sonic*
"OK, he fell those last few units."
"Start roller coaster sequence!"
Big just falling through that whole section in Speed Highway feels so in character for him.
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Just so you know, certain character-swap mods sometimes cause crashes. It may not be Big himself causing the crash, but the action button being used during the swap. Check different mods for comparison, just to be sure. Hope this helps.
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9:20 btw, that pulling force only happens on DX. It's probably a glitch, cuz it happens to Sonic as well - but you're usually so fast that you're not affected as much by it. But you can see a ton of first-timers playing Emerald Coast and dying on that same spot because of the pull.
They do actually have different physics and speed caps in the carts in Twinkle Park. If my memory is correct, the speed from best to worst is
Knux > Sonic > Big > Tails > Gamma > Amy
honestly I didn't even know you could do twinkle circuit with gamma since you never go there as gamma but I guess looking back it makes sense
Really? Knux is faster in the cart?
Sounds accurate.
oh cool its justlemres
Eggman: "Well, if it isn't my pal Sonic! I'm surprised you made it this f--OW! What the--what is that?!"
Big the cat, whacking Eggman with a fishing rod: "IT'S NOT NICE TO TEASE MY FRIENDS"
I don't know why, but the fact that as Big you get to beat the living shit out of Chaos with a fishing rod makes me laugh hysterically :'D
The TH-camr Dreed also tried this challenge, and he seemed to be able to do the very last jump in Casinopolis. That makes it two Action Stages you can beat in Sonic's story with Big.
22:55 everybody gangster until big starts walking on air
_ Dyldo _ 17:45 too
Pause at 20:50
Those two objects in the lobby are why Big and some of the other cast can't open the door to the pool. It's part of an unused "puzzle" where specifically Big places both objects/keys into the little slots near the pool doorway to unlock it.
th-cam.com/video/xxKAGn6uVng/w-d-xo.html gives some background first, then at 15:35 the puzzle is explained.
You can actually do the Orca section of Emerald Coast as Amy but it requires hammer jumping over certain parts to avoid triggering it. It's very tricky to do but can be done. The Orca you see only spawns when you run over a certain trigger. There's more than one on the bridge. It's the second trigger that's tricky with Amy.
27:20 Amy can clear that, it's just pretty difficult. You have to hold a certain Down-Right direction, it's more right than down (unsure if it can be done with just a keyboard). I find it easy to aim down-right when I hit the spring then readjust while I'm stuck. You want to aim for the small island with grass on top of it, you can see it from that POV bottom left of where you're supposed to land, and with good angles, you can get there just fine. I've managed to get there 6 times, 3 times in a row so far
you actually can get past the orca section with amy! it’s just SUPER difficult and requires precise movement. i died like a million times trying to get her past that section haha
This is literally a canon adventure because big cameos in all the stages. This is how big actually went through each stage within universe.
Big: speed is not my strong point
Speed highway: suffer
Big: not today old friend
You know, I love how the title asks if it’s possible, and the thumbnail just straight up answers it no
Someone needs to make a Mario like Spinoff where Instead of Mario's Missing We Got Froggy is Missing
CCF3 Stories “Learn about completely useless and most likely false facts about historical sites as you try and rescue FWOGGY” 10-10 IGN
@@antonmcCl 10/10 Not enough water
*Mario Is Missing score*
Presentation: ⭐️⭐️
Story: ⭐️
Gameplay: ⭐️
⭐️/⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (the only Mario game that could possibly be worse isn’t Hotel Mario since at least it’s hilariously bad, but Mario’s Early Years for having an “It’s for kids” attitude that makes it ahead of its time)
*Big Adventure (DC) score*
Presentation: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Story: ⭐️
Gameplay: ⭐️
⭐️⭐️⭐️/⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (Sonic Adventure is a good-to-great game - the DreamCast version at least. But had the Big the Cat section felt more like any other portion of the game, it could’ve been one of the greatest Sonic games up to the ranks of Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing duology, Sonic Triple Trouble, Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic Advance 3)
*Sonic Adventure (original) score*
Presentation: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Story: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Gameplay: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Overall: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️/⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
*Froggy is Missing results*
Oh wait...
I love how Tails Is big's Buddy now
Big needs his own game. *Change my mind.*
Why change your mind when it's just a stupid idea that will never happen change my mind
I think he actually needs one
He needs his own book.
@@mikewastelandleader /whooosh
M E M E R I O I won’t change your mind
*Because you’re right*
Huh, Big doesn't have a ball animation in the pinball...
Does that mean there's a way for him to ignore the automatic section where you try to give the IDEYA to NiGHTS, and explore this part of the stage freely?
23:05 "springs behave differently depending on what you do" I learned that in the DX mission as sonic where it puts springs that bounce you around the snake room in lost world. if you touch the control stick while you're bouncing, you miss the goal.
Did anyone else notice at 35:30 that even though the in-game counter listed his rings as 999, the ring shaker counter showed 1009? I just thought it was neat that it still technically counted more than the counter showed
Other people: Can you beat Blank without jumping, getting points, collecting Coins/Rings, going left or right.
Charriii5: Can you beat Sonic Adventure as Big The Cat?
*ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS HERE!?*
_Also_
59:26: Pretty much this entire challenge in a nutshell for you.
"It's not that bad ... except for the few instances where you die"
That being in the same sentence made me smile XD
I’M GETTING EVERYTHING WRONG WITH UNDERTALE FLASHBACKS “TWO BIG THE CAT REFERENCES IN ONE GAME”
BIIIIIIIG THEEEEEEEE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Diego Cortes ... how to get away someone while being truthful... oh!! I LOVE ANIME!!! I’M NOT JOKING
This is a dream come true
Edit: Try swapping Big with Gamma for the tree glitch because he is the biggest character other than Big to see if it is size or character dependent
The thumbnail is like the inverse of click bait. I really appreciate that.
I'm sure I'm probably alone in this, but I'd be interested to see Tails because I always felt like the game babies Tails - especially since all he really does is get shorter Sonic stages - and I feel like he's a lot more capable than the game acts like he is. I'd be curious how flying around levels Tails was never meant to be in would work. But I understand its probably not what most people are into.
🤔
So, if we remade adventure, how would we tackle big?
Do we make him into a platforming character? Or try to make his fishing FUN?
All the cool mechanics and programming they did to make sure that each characters has their own physics, certain character's influencing different character's stories, how springs work, all of that is just pretty interesting to be honest.
I have watched these challenge videos a few times already, and I haven't ever played a Sonic game in my life. I am seriously tempted to play Sonic Adventure as my first Sonic game now.
Edit: OK, I bought this game, thanks to this video.
I'm just halfway through the video, so I might add on something, but I have two things to say atm.
First: I'm so not used to hearing your (I assume) unscripted thoughts, which is really nice, I like listening to you that way.
Second: Man, this video makes me realize, that SA probably has one of the best overworld designs for a 3D platformer. At least in how the levels are presented in the world map I really like it, it feels organic. It has a couple of issues here and there (like the entrances where you have to find stones, which makes like no sense) but man, it make me wish SA2 had had an overworld like that :/
I have enough trouble with Big's intended stages. What is this madness.
characters definitely have different weights and acceleration caps and whatnot, I think MainMemory has a series of videos replacing character's physics with those of other characters (and sometimes even from other games like SA2B and Heroes) and it actually really does futz with how the game works even though you're still playing as Sonic technically.
BIG DA CAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!
Man, wasn't it like 3 years since that collab?
30:30 never knew big had jiggly ear physics
21:00 actually, there is an unused key-thing similar to what happens twice in amys story. you have to place it and then big can go through. by the time in his story when he has access to the area, the story already set the flag. that is why sonic can go through, but big cannot. I did not know that the other characters cannot go through there either. Possibly, it works like that for them too.
"Tails would have an easier time with this stage (Sky Deck)"
He, actually visits act 1
We need big to get his own game
Best sonic character lmao
ah!, a true fan!
#BigTheCatGame2021
Imagine looking for the Master Emerald pieces as Big The F@cking Cat.
it's coming in part 2 so we don't have to imagine it~
I wanna see a mod for this game that gives Big the physics for the areas he cannot clear and then have a Big the Cat in Sonic's stages be a speedrun category for this game.
Please make more of these! This video kind of reminds me of what Nathaniel Bandy does
I legitimately want a mod of this game with platforming based levels for Big's story.
Bosses weren't hard originally apart from a couple.
Having the ability to challenge them with any character would have been neat in the original game.
Plus Big gets to fight Chaos 6, but the Sonic fight as Big looks a thousand times more interesting than 1 hit KOing him by snipig Froggy
36:10 Two Tails!
That's two capital T Tails, not to be confused with Tail's tails~
Been waiting 20 years for this
Obviously the most underrated character of all time
These things are interesting to watch as a dev doing a speed based game with different different incline thresholds and mass per character lol. For Big they likely had it so inclines above 45 degrees locked off momentum or otherwise unless it's a in root animation like a loopty loop or special box trigger zones(for loopty loops I increase the magnetism instead of an animation). Collision is the hardest to keep track off so leaving one ramp with the outer collision that normally is the trigger to speed up, to instead block one character could happen pretty easily.
This video is just a video I cant stop coming back to
24:10 That's actually E102's path through the stage. With Sonic there's a wall which you can clip through to get on that path. It wouldn't help Big much sadly.
Wild guess with zero knowledge of the game engine: Could it be that Big's action command looks for water flagged as 'fishable' and so wasn't meant to be used in stages without it, and then some part of the mod that was meant to rectify that got broken somehow?
...also Amy's version of Egg Viper kinda looks more fun than Sonic's, if it weren't so finicky.
This was the first video game I ever played, and these videos reminded me how much I love the game! You inspired me to try and go back to get all 130 emblems for the very first time (I’m at 117 emblems as of today!)
You ever get em all?
When you giggle it's honestly really wonderful
Maybe it'd be beneficial to have a tally on screen of how many times you absolutely cannot do something with Big, rather than just having the challenge be a yes/no thing?
I love how the thumbnail just straight up answers it
The Kart In Twinkle Park Explodes When You Change To Big Because He's To *BIG* For The Kart
38:38 It's not because Big can't get on the snowboard. Amy can't get on it either but the cutscene ended like normal. I guess it has something to do with Big's bigger collision box, so when he went onto the snowboard, the avalanche kicked him off before the game registered him on the snowboard
I like that I basically just did a challenge stream like this with Amy lol
WAIT so you're telling me, if they found a way to hit that big ass hit box for the inside of the tornado and died without doing the spinning animation, theres a potential timesave?
I really really really enjoyed this video, and the way you explained the different ways that the characters work within the game’s physics. I am psyched for part 2!!
I honestly really love this, I would adore getting more videos like this in the future.
the stories interacting is what I think as I also used an older version of the similar cheat and lets say I would be in Sonic's story as big it would load Big's Emerald Coast anyways..
I wonder if Amy was coded as being lighter then the other characters was due to her hammer jump move. Like, if it just didn't work properly with her having the same weight as Sonic, Tails, & Knuckles? IDK, just a random thought I had.
Suddenly MMM,BIG THE CAT!!!!
You talk as if Big is your favourite pet as you root for him to reach the end of the level. Adorable.
I’m gonna Guess what happened with the Tornado is while you hit the spawn point for Sonic, you also hit the death plane below which make the spawn point activate and kill you after.
I find it overly ironic that even BIG can clear something with a name such as "Speed Highway"
Wouldn't it be better to have all the upgrades for big for this? Like wouldn't you be able to just swim in the deep water with the life ring?
I love how this is like a hour long video answering a truly trivial question while also giving away the answer in the thumbnail
its like "well there you go, nobody needed to know but now you do!"
I went in just expecting a fun challenge but this video ended up being a really cool exploration of the game’s physics. Opened my eyes to a bunch of the inner workings of the game that I never would’ve learned about otherwise.
1:03:48 This is so wholesome.
Pink Hedgehog GF clearing her BF stage, so precious ;-;
Although a lot of it can't be done with big I really liked how you showed how it might work with other characters as well, very interesting! Love your videos 😁