Present scenario in India is most dangerous than in Pakistan.God forbid India is advancing in the direction of fascism.I m from Ladakh.C what happened to our genuine demand despite of being promised by the ruling party itself.
*Muslims especially Jinnah did not do any struggle for the independence of India from the British. All he did was to create mayhem in India like the Direct Action in Calcutta in 1946 in which more than 10,000 Hindus got killed, to pressurize Hindus and British for the partition of India. Jinnah or any of his colleagues in Muslim League never had to go to jail unlike Gandhi, Nehru, Subhash Chanda and Lala Lajpat Rai or Master Tara Singh. Jinnah in fact was an agent of British who wanted to see a weaker India once they give independence to the British India. Muslims do not have democracy in their DNA as Islam can not coexist with democracy*
*Are you claiming that Jinnah and his gang of Nawabs in Muslim League all had worked under Hindus? If this is the case the entire USA, UAE and Europe must have thrown all Indians who mostly work on high and managerial post under or with whom hundreds of Christians Jews and even Muslims feel proud to work Microsoft and Google has almost 50% professionals who are Hindus and the CEO of TH-cam and Windows are also Indians. coming back to India, Muslims ruled at least north India for almost 700 years then British for another 200 years or so. Hindus never ruled Muslims in the Hintory and even today it is democracy based on majority rule with equal rights to its Muslim citizens. Jinnh-ah took away most of the fasadi, Jehadi aur auladi Muslims from India in 1947. We are thankful to Jinn-ah and Ghandi for their farsightedness in giving a fresh life to Hindus. Get it*@@asadraza1666
Not entirely true. Lot of the fasadi Muslims who voted for Jinnahs party stayed back in UP, Bihar, Maharashtra, Kerala and south. Most of these places had voted for Jinnahs party in 1946. But they prbly expected their areas to also be part of Pakistan. And didn’t realize the implications of having to leave their property and leave. You had so many fasadi Muslims rioting and then later doing bomb blasts and crime after 1947. You should know that Jinnah won his seat from what is not Byculla area in Mumbai and it is still a Muslim dominated area.
Dr Anjuman Invaders muslims ruled the India not Indian Muslims. Indian muslims were converted by these invaders muslims those became ruler of India by sword.
I am surprised by someone with his stature (chkout his bio) also keeps repeating the stock line, " Muslims ruled India for 1000 years". Not exactly. There were bandits who invaded and who happen to be Muslims. Their numbers were very small. The rest were converted Hindus who adopted Islam largely to get obvious benefits by adopted religion of the rulers. This conversion happened gradually, over the centuries. Then there always were Hindu Kingdoms throughout the years in various parts of India.
This was an erudite discussion. As an Indian I get a clear picture that Pakistan was created on the principle of DOMINATION. Stark opposite India was created on the idea of EQUALITY among citizens. That has created the dichotomy where we presently are. In India say an cyclone hits Orissa. The response of all Indians is that a cyclone has hit India and every state and centre allocates resources to rescue. Unlike Pakistan where when cyclone hit east Bengal, no help came. We Indians know that every state has a different culture, language, economy etc. But there seems to be no animosity, rather people seem to be attracted to each others culture. This is because the baseline is that we are all equal Indian's. Moreover, whichever state within India started the culture of segregation and domination got itself ruined. Example JK, some states of North-East and Himachal. The reason being people from other states stopped investing in these states leading their slow decline. Whereas open to all states like Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, West bengal, entire South Indian states has seen their economies booming albeit being at different pace. It also ensures that all states act as insurance for other states in trouble. The aim is the poorer states be helped to get richer, since that is the easiest maths to achieve.
If you are happy with that you are not here to.comment. In every Pakistani youtube posts Indians came like hundreds in number if not thousands. It clearly depicts how Indians feel pain when they heard word Pakistan.
Hindus are not free even in India. The concept of nation state that was implemented by UK educated Indians without understanding that it was not possible in india without massive bloodshed because we were diverse country with 1000s of kingdoms with mixed race population. Due to diversity even Islam, Christianity and communism failed to takeover India quickly. Hindus had ceded the political space to Islam Christianity and Communists. We need to see if hindutva could provide confidence in Hindus to enter the political space and defend itself.
@syedbakeruddinbekar9433De diya dan me muslim buffer state me rahe india, iran aur afghanistan Ke bich aur alag kar diya bangladesh ki 3 different territory me rahe. Humse alag rahe, khush rahe.
Thanks Britishers and their faithful ghulam Mr Zinnha. Muslims of West Pakistan and East Pakistan are sinking and they will sink day by day. Hindus of India are rising and will rise day by day.
It baffles me that even intellectual professor of Pakistan also have very narrow perspective in Historical studies. They start their talk with congres, Nehru, Gandhi's perspective but never acknowledged the dharmic essence of the Indian subcontinent, diversity, pluralism, and tolerent essence of Dharnic faith that is the basic of domecratic society. I hope professor will give light on pluralistic nature of Dharmic society.
He is an engineer not a historian. And if you expect him to acknowledge the "dharmic essence" which many people in India themselves didn't acknowledge and the India Public was largely unaware of such a perspective as recent 10 years back, then you are delusional.
Muslim in the 18 th Century itself felt in Sub Continent that Islam rule has come to an end ,and India was free Country and Muslim can never ever get hold of India.Aurangzeb was so Secure that Delhi won't be again attacked by any Muslim Invader.or the Mongols ,that he moved permanently to Deccan for last 27 years ,Nizam of Hydeabad paid large revenue to maratha till year 1808 and Bahadur Shah Zafar Empire from Delhi to palam paid revenue to Marathas till 1818 .Nawab of Awadh an ally of British .a revolt of Indian Soldiers and all region of Awadh ,Shook British Empire as Indian Soldiers and rich Zamindar revolted against British ,British were friends of Zamindars of Awadh Hindu population ,but they too revolted against British and Sacrificed there lifes in lacs to free India from British invaders in 1857.British than Exiled Nawab of Awadh to Kolkata and Bahadur Shah Zafar to Burma in garage of British Viceroy .it was rule of 90 years that Created false hope on Muslim of India that India can be ruled by Islam once again .if British had not ruled India Muslim and Hindus had lived peacefully reconciled to there faith .Islam and Muslim rule came to an end in 1680 only Nadir Sharma Invaded India ,Delhi in 1761 and again entire Pakistan and Kashmir and Punjab and Himachal Pradesh was under Sikh Empire from 1767 .
This is a lie. Hindus became peaceful due to budhism. To counter budhism popularity, bhakti yog was introduced. Before that all the tapasya was to gain shakti n shiddhi so that you can grow wealth and kingdom. Ashwamegh yagya (our version of expansionism), rajsuya yagya (our version of imperialism). Sanatan is all about monarchy and brahmanwad. Sanatan became weak because down the line its custodian and intellectuals modified/misinterpreted the original and some created derivative literature with different ideology altogether that lead to its destruction.
Casteism too is a form of violence that is unique to Hinduism. No other Religion in history of Mankind ever oppressed a large part of fellow believers. That aside, the presence of a large Muslim population will have its own challenges for peace.
Also Congress didnt inherit conenctions with people. They built connections with people over deacdes and gained trust of people by spending time in jail getting beaten up by British. Jinnah on the other hand did not even try to build connections, He was an elitist. He is so shameless to omit all this, He is so small to not give credit to Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar, Patel etc.
Kya violence ??? In India Stop talking rubbish You have no idea about what is happening India so stop talking about us More Hindus and Sikhs died in partition than Muslims All you guys can say is Muslim Muslim
Sir,this problem of islamic state vs republic state is not unique to pakistan.This is a serious problem of all OIC member countries except GCC. And this problem is embedded in the history of islam and is not going to go away.
Mr Anjum Altaf probably is the only intellectual I may have witnessed in Pakistan. His analysis is so stark and thought provoking. He’s much better than others from Pakistan.
This guy is a genius. I listen to a lot of Pakistani podcasts even though I am from India but this guy is the best clarity of thought and so intelligent. I hope he goes a long way in life as we need people like him
The problem is not democracy in Pakistan. It is Pakistani sense of Islam. Islaam and democracy can not co-exist. None of the Islamic countries have democracy. Their religion teaches jihad and jihad only. They will keep killing each other. Afghans will kill Punjabi Muslims and punjabis will kill Balochs. Then they will justify by saying that the whole world is conspiring against them. Pakistan ka matlab kya - kashkol utha aur mang ke khaa.
At present there is approximate more then 10crors of Muslims r in the Bharat .If there two nation theory was right why the Bharatiya Muslims should not go to Pakistan ?Still they r here n they should go to Pakistan according two nation theory .
Now Pakistan became a truly truly Islamic country . Earlier it was in 50s 60s 70s mindset was of hindu culture but there religion was Islam where hindu culture was more dominant than Islam but now there mindest is Islamic and there religion is also islamic
When muslim league leaders were thinking on dividing Hindustan , One man , Mohammed Iqbal the Poet thought along the lines of Hindu leaders and had proposed a muslim dominated areas ie east bengal and west punjab to be two territories ruled by muslims but under indian union dominion , where finance , defence and foreign relations would be under indian union. After his death hard core islamists went for total independent nations. Jinnah who was with Congress jumped the ship and joined the idea of muslim league. On other hand the British who had won the war and in their first cabinet meet in London PM Churchill raised a question - How to stop the Soviets reach warm waters of Indian Ocean ! Answer , create a buffer ie muslim Pakistan. That is where Jinnah the lawyer won the game to be founder , Governor General of Islamic Jamhooriya e Pakistan at a cost of 5 million lives.After his death confusion - Keisa honga Pakistan ? That is where rich zamindaar politicians , mullahs and hungry punjabi generals made a cocktail of governance lasting to date !!!
Independent india did not have 20 provinces. Nehru n team took concious attempt. Made laws. Also the army was made weaker in india. So dont blame on luck n chance.
Pakistan asking itself whether it is a better democracy than India!! This is like Afghanistan asking whether it has better governance than USA. Question doesn't even makes sense because answer is most obvious
26 states were created by Congress. Army reforms and Land reforms were done by Congress. This "expert" is talking as if India got lucky with good inheritance. Please give credit where its due.
We do give that to congress but in democracy you will always have to choose more better options after every 5 years even if you don't like the politics of other party@@junaid_2107
Do you know the history of state reorganization? If not it is better keep your....shut. Congress did not make states..it was forced by many agitations..do you know what Potti Shriramulu? Maharashtra reorganisation? Why Kanya Kumari was taken away from Travancore and given to Madras State. What are parts of Mysore State made off? Do you know Madras Presidency was covering till South Kanara..Your love for achievements of Congress is understandable... Muslim Personal law...
great to hear Dr Anjum, and thanks for having him in your show. We need more talks experts like him to discuss untold parts or intentionally hidden by Pak rulers. Regards
There is no concept of democracy in islaam .Still the army is ruling+I S I +Aatankwadi +politicians .In total Pakistan is a confused region . Politicians can't do any thing without army permission .When Bharat can do this in such a huge country why not in Pakistan .In total Pakistan should surrender n Pakistan govt should govern by the Delhi .When 10crores Muslims r living in the car better position than Pakistan why 25crores people of Pakistan .
I commend Dr. Anjum Altaf on his honesty and forthrightness about the true situation in your country. It is indeed unfortunate that the entire population is under the rule of a corrupt elite/military which has captured all your resources and has no interest in your people’s welfare.
Sir, i feel you have struck right cord, better than all other pakistani writers thinkers, authors, speakers... You have spoken right words on indo-pak issues, your analysis are very apt, precise, correct,... My salute to you 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This is all conspiracy theory 😂 First of all Jinnah ka koi vision nahi tha.. second Paxtan power hunger ki vajah se vajood mey Aaya 😂 bhale 4 state ki jagah 40 state bi hote toh bi Punjabis hi ruled karte 😂😅
A country occupied by Landlords,Tribel chiefs and Punjabi commission agents families can never be ruled in true spirit of law However ,under these circumstances the Courts and other state institutions are weapons to FUCK WHOLE NATION TO PROTECT THEIR STATUS.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Some may argue that Islam shares values of equality and justice with modern democracy, likening it to a form of democracy without the nudity. However, it is difficult to find individuals who truly embody the principles of Islam in practice. It is believed by some that Islam began to decline as a true representation of its values around 50 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
@@4SevenSeas Muhammad represents the True Islam. Doesn't he? Marryied about a dozen women besides a lot of laundiyaa, divorced eleven, forcibly had sex with the women of the defeated enemy and when he was fed up with them, sold them for money, married a six year old child when he was old enough to be her grand father, declared women as half of men in intelligence, saw most of them in Zahannam because of the menstruation, practised all inhuman behaviour towards the Kafirs (Best example of democracy?), took the path of deception to kill the Kafirs and etc. etc. etc. Islam is best represented by Muhammad.
violence is not due to the nation-state. It is resource distribution by political powers. Resources are controlled by one group and other ethnic group wants more. Fighting is in the culture and religion education of Abrahamic religions. India is very unique nation due to its heritage and religion. All this propaganda against India is from Western countries, leftist and Islamic societies because they don't have the same well-run elections and transfer of power. India was left as a dead and dirt-poor country. But people have been enterprising. SINCE 2014 Business is growing and competing in the world. India was the richest country before the British robbery. It will be the richest country again in 30 years.
It also depends on how the ruling dispensation deals with issues, what its vision and blueprint for progress are and on what path it takes the nation. India dealt with the language issue, much before Pakistan did, in a progressive way by creating states in linguistic basis. In Pakistan, it resulted in the break-up of the country. India passed laws on land ceiling and implemented these. Pakistan didn't. General Ayyub Khan went to the US President and asked for arms and ammunition; Nehru went and asked for science and technology. When there were law and order problems, Indian political leaders dealt with the problems themselves and tried to find a solution; in Pakistan, political leaders, when riots broke out, handed over the issue to the army to deal with it. India always has had a blueprint for industrialization; I think Pakistan never had it. General Ayyub Khan
Hindus are naturally democratic.Phanchayti Raj been indigenous in Indian subcontinent.Kindness is the root of a religion.We are kind to even animals.If one doesn’t understand this !
Anjum Altaf sahib- a very good talk on this topic. I have one question for you- what do oyu think of the views of Dr. ishtiaq who was also I understnd at LUMs and is a Poofessor at Stolkholm university. He is very critiacl of Mr.Jinnah and iagaint the urdu speaking peopl who were at th forefront of the Pakistan movement. gratfeul for your views. You may recall we worked together firt at the National Bank of Pakistan and hten later at the World Bank. best wishes. ali hashim
Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmad is a fake Al- Taqiya practicing pseudo secular so called liberal Muslim who is peddling lies & doing propoganda against Indian Nationalist Leaders like Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel,RSS & Hinduism.He criticizes Hinduism at the drop of hat but never criticizes Islam which endorses Racism, Slavery,Firqaparasti & denies equal rights to women.Now a days he is advocating people to people contact, trade relations & allowing easy movement of people but easily forgets to highlight the point that what India would gain by doing so.I think that by doing so Pakistan will be winner & gain everything whereas India will be looser & terrorist activities of Pakistani based organisation will rise so India should not fall prey to such tactics by Pakistan.Dr.Iahtiaq Ahmad is always full of praise for Nehru,Azad & Congress who were nothing but Hindu haters & wanted to keep Hindus suppressed/ subjugated as such they made Muslims stay back in India after partition by appeasing them.Maulana Azad was not even born in India,never had any formal education was made first education minister of independent India & he glorified all Muslim rulers who carried out systematic genocide of Hindus,carried out forced conversions of Hindus & whitewashed Indian History.The list is long but make the story short Ishtiaq Ahmad & all other so called Pakistani intellectuals are nothing but Hindu haters & love only those Indian leaders who appease Muslims & keep Hindus suppressed/subjugated & are soft towards Pakistan.
Islam is ruling over AfPak & BD - What do you see? Till 2014 foreign 1 Book AbraHaramisms (Christianity, Islam & Marxism) ruled over India/Hindustan - Bharat's economic rate of growth was on an average 3%. Since native roots nurturing Hindutva is ruling Bharat, Bharat became 0 riots, 0 terror nation which uplifted 200 Million out of poverty in last 10 years.
Once POK is back in control of India, it will be AKHAND BHARAT and later the internet will open the eyes of this ewho got converted in the last 1000 years or so after living in the RAM RAJYA which would be opposite to the Sharia rule in Fakistan, they will start what we call "ghar-vapisi" of all Muslim brothers whose roots are and were in India. gah Vapid does not necessarily mean being Hindu, any one who decides to live in peace and harmony with Kaffirs and Jews would be a son or daughter of Bharatmata or AKHAND bHARAT. We do not want an inch of Fakistan or Lungidesh with or without Jehadi Muslim upbringing*@@muhammadrehanmubashir1363
I believe that no Hindu dynasty in the Indian subcontinent ever ruled over a significant amount of land like the Mughal Empire and the British Raj did.
British created Pakistan for their geopolitical interests. British were allmost banrupt after 2nd WW. Aerica emerged as the leader of Western Civilization, which was also colonized by British . USA dictated all European countries to free all the countries that Europe had colonized and were ruling at the time of 2nd WW. Under American presuure so many countries became free. Jinnah, Gandhi and Nehru had no impact in US decision. Their struggle was genine. But we did not get freedom because of their independence struggle.
Discussion is not fair. Infact Pakistan was created for west with nexus of Ashrafia and west to continue Pakistan as west colony for Ashrafia and west .Indian masses made India for masses and indian voters.
I am glad you dealt with the subjects frankly. You did not hide behind euphemisms and oblique references and called a spade a spade. However, I am concerned about your safety.
No dear, violence was there during a weak in mind Congress time. After Modi ji has come to power there has been 80 to 90% decrease in violence in India. Pakistan sponsored terrorism has been eradicated in Jammu and Kashmir.
It is highly laudable that Pakistanis with foreign degrees, such as Professor Altaf who has degrees from Stanford, are entirely at home expressing themselves in Urdu. I don't know of many foreign educated Indians who can express themselves in any language other than English.
This is a good discussion and your guest is obviously asking people to think critically about issues fundamental to your country. But at 52:47, he, like a lot of people from your country starts saying India is becoming a “Hindu Rashtra”. At least your educated class needs to understand that this is an impossibility, both constitutionally and physically, due to the sheer diversity and size of India. Falling for propaganda is easy, but since you seem to be an informed host, you need to get the real facts, and challenge your guests when they parrot the same old tired lines about “Hindu Rashtra”. Peace ✌🏼
Amazing how a religion started by a businessman 1400 years back could completely divide humanity and change a section of humans into sub humans. It was as if the world was waiting for this in the 7th century. Probably Islam had such a powerful message that it attracted some types of people . This so called religion would be the main event in earth’s millions of years of history .
Congress was stupid in making a half partition in collusion with Jinnah's ML. They did a blunder and should have gone for a full partition. Muslims 100 % Pakistan and Hindus 100 %, Bharat. Now after some time there is a strong possibility of a second partition, Pakistan 2.
The finest and most intellectual discussion ever heard from Pakistan. Although I think for a healthy and happy Pakistan but sorry to say, it's too late.
If at all Pakistan has to progress it has to admit all it’s past mistakes and the atrocities committed against India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and more importantly admit it’s Indian identity where all their ancestors were Hindus.
"Is India better democracy than pakistan" . Really Really. Does pakistan had or have democracy with not a single govt completed it's tenure in last 75 years. A country whose constitution bars non muslims to occupy high posts calls itself democracy. Even democracy will be laughing.
Thank you sir, for an enlightening talk. As with Hindu rashtra. Rashtra is a socio cultural concept . A political state is called a rajya in sanskrit. As long as they say hindu rashtra all is well, but the day they start calling for a Hindu Rajyam, then muslims need to be worried.
Jinha said to gandhi ji we were the rular of india before Britishers took over India, that's why after they leave India they should hand over the power to muslims. When British said rular will be elected, then jinha said reserved fifty percent of parliament seats, 50% beaurocracy, and judiciary to muslims. Gandhi ji was ready but nehru did not agree, there fore division became inevitable. Even after division of india Congress run the country by sharia law.
جناح صاحب ایک صاف اور کھڑے آدمی تھے انہوں نے جگہ جگہ دھوکا کھایا۔ پہلے گانگرس نے، پھر انگریزوں نے، اور اس کے بعد تقسیم کے بعد اپنے ہی لوگوں نے ان کے ساتھ بے وفائی کی۔ قائداعظم محمد علی جناح رح زندہ آباد۔ پاکستان زندہ آباد
What democracy in Pakistan? The world is fully aware of what happens in Pakistan in the name of democracy. And comparing a genuine democracy like India with the comedy in the name of democracy in Pakistan is a joke.
1000 years of Muslims rule? It's 300(saltnate)+300(Mughal) and also during sultanate rule South India was under hindu rule for most of times and after 1720 most of North India was under maratha,jat and Sikhs!! Now I can understand the syllabus of your Pakistan studies 😂😂😂
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When a pakistani discuss about democracy in any programme, it becomes a comedy show 😂😂
Listien Godi Media the you find where real comedy is going on in which democracy.
Present scenario in India is most dangerous than in Pakistan.God forbid India is advancing in the direction of fascism.I m from Ladakh.C what happened to our genuine demand despite of being promised by the ruling party itself.
@@ErHajiHussain you guys will keep crying
There is no concept of democracy in Islam and also there is no concept of peaceful coexistence with others in Islam.
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*Muslims especially Jinnah did not do any struggle for the independence of India from the British. All he did was to create mayhem in India like the Direct Action in Calcutta in 1946 in which more than 10,000 Hindus got killed, to pressurize Hindus and British for the partition of India. Jinnah or any of his colleagues in Muslim League never had to go to jail unlike Gandhi, Nehru, Subhash Chanda and Lala Lajpat Rai or Master Tara Singh. Jinnah in fact was an agent of British who wanted to see a weaker India once they give independence to the British India. Muslims do not have democracy in their DNA as Islam can not coexist with democracy*
Very well said!
اگر آپ سمجھنا چاھتے ھیں کہ مسلمانوں نے علیحدگی کیوں مانگی تو کسی بحث سے نہیں سمجھ سکتے ۔ آپ دو سال کسی ھندو کے ماتحت کام کریں ۔ سمجھ میں آجائگا
*Are you claiming that Jinnah and his gang of Nawabs in Muslim League all had worked under Hindus? If this is the case the entire USA, UAE and Europe must have thrown all Indians who mostly work on high and managerial post under or with whom hundreds of Christians Jews and even Muslims feel proud to work Microsoft and Google has almost 50% professionals who are Hindus and the CEO of TH-cam and Windows are also Indians. coming back to India, Muslims ruled at least north India for almost 700 years then British for another 200 years or so. Hindus never ruled Muslims in the Hintory and even today it is democracy based on majority rule with equal rights to its Muslim citizens. Jinnh-ah took away most of the fasadi, Jehadi aur auladi Muslims from India in 1947. We are thankful to Jinn-ah and Ghandi for their farsightedness in giving a fresh life to Hindus. Get it*@@asadraza1666
Not entirely true. Lot of the fasadi Muslims who voted for Jinnahs party stayed back in UP, Bihar, Maharashtra, Kerala and south. Most of these places had voted for Jinnahs party in 1946. But they prbly expected their areas to also be part of Pakistan. And didn’t realize the implications of having to leave their property and leave. You had so many fasadi Muslims rioting and then later doing bomb blasts and crime after 1947. You should know that Jinnah won his seat from what is not Byculla area in Mumbai and it is still a Muslim dominated area.
@@naysayer7540the most unfortunate part is those who demanded Pakistan, their descendants still carry that mindset and are nuisance for Bharat.
Dr Anjuman
Invaders muslims ruled the India not Indian Muslims.
Indian muslims were converted by these invaders muslims those became ruler of India by sword.
I am surprised by someone with his stature (chkout his bio) also keeps repeating the stock line, " Muslims ruled India for 1000 years". Not exactly. There were bandits who invaded and who happen to be Muslims. Their numbers were very small. The rest were converted Hindus who adopted Islam largely to get obvious benefits by adopted religion of the rulers. This conversion happened gradually, over the centuries. Then there always were Hindu Kingdoms throughout the years in various parts of India.
thank you for being a true Muslim.@@tariqsaeed9774
@@tariqsaeed9774 Accurate. If India and Pakistan understand this and agree to this narrative most of the problems will be solved.
@arunsar7893 If Pakistan accepts the historic truth, its rason d'etre vanishes.
@@tariqsaeed9774 Theoretically true. But 70 years of sovereignty is enough to maintain that existence by coming up with a different narrative.
This was an erudite discussion. As an Indian I get a clear picture that Pakistan was created on the principle of DOMINATION. Stark opposite India was created on the idea of EQUALITY among citizens. That has created the dichotomy where we presently are. In India say an cyclone hits Orissa. The response of all Indians is that a cyclone has hit India and every state and centre allocates resources to rescue. Unlike Pakistan where when cyclone hit east Bengal, no help came. We Indians know that every state has a different culture, language, economy etc. But there seems to be no animosity, rather people seem to be attracted to each others culture. This is because the baseline is that we are all equal Indian's. Moreover, whichever state within India started the culture of segregation and domination got itself ruined. Example JK, some states of North-East and Himachal. The reason being people from other states stopped investing in these states leading their slow decline. Whereas open to all states like Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, West bengal, entire South Indian states has seen their economies booming albeit being at different pace. It also ensures that all states act as insurance for other states in trouble. The aim is the poorer states be helped to get richer, since that is the easiest maths to achieve.
Heartiest thanks to Jinnah for creating Pakistan.....we Hindu's are free.
If you are happy with that you are not here to.comment. In every Pakistani youtube posts Indians came like hundreds in number if not thousands. It clearly depicts how Indians feel pain when they heard word Pakistan.
Hindus are not free even in India. The concept of nation state that was implemented by UK educated Indians without understanding that it was not possible in india without massive bloodshed because we were diverse country with 1000s of kingdoms with mixed race population. Due to diversity even Islam, Christianity and communism failed to takeover India quickly. Hindus had ceded the political space to Islam Christianity and Communists. We need to see if hindutva could provide confidence in Hindus to enter the political space and defend itself.
@@meharshah7276 forget what is pain for some tell us are you guys even living as a human being in Pakistan alias Jihadistan
@syedbakeruddinbekar9433De diya dan me muslim buffer state me rahe india, iran aur afghanistan
Ke bich aur alag kar diya bangladesh ki 3 different territory me rahe. Humse alag rahe, khush rahe.
Thanks Britishers and their faithful ghulam Mr Zinnha. Muslims of West Pakistan and East Pakistan are sinking and they will sink day by day. Hindus of India are rising and will rise day by day.
It baffles me that even intellectual professor of Pakistan also have very narrow perspective in Historical studies. They start their talk with congres, Nehru, Gandhi's perspective but never acknowledged the dharmic essence of the Indian subcontinent, diversity, pluralism, and tolerent essence of Dharnic faith that is the basic of domecratic society. I hope professor will give light on pluralistic nature of Dharmic society.
Unrealistic expectations.
bhai pakistanis are hybrid children's of turk, arab mongol they are supeieor 😊😂
He is an engineer not a historian. And if you expect him to acknowledge the "dharmic essence" which many people in India themselves didn't acknowledge and the India Public was largely unaware of such a perspective as recent 10 years back, then you are delusional.
Education blinds us and make us more biased
@@ameethksharma8293 Deep insight.
Muslim in the 18 th Century itself felt in Sub Continent that Islam rule has come to an end ,and India was free Country and Muslim can never ever get hold of India.Aurangzeb was so Secure that Delhi won't be again attacked by any Muslim Invader.or the Mongols ,that he moved permanently to Deccan for last 27 years ,Nizam of Hydeabad paid large revenue to maratha till year 1808 and Bahadur Shah Zafar Empire from Delhi to palam paid revenue to Marathas till 1818 .Nawab of Awadh an ally of British .a revolt of Indian Soldiers and all region of Awadh ,Shook British Empire as Indian Soldiers and rich Zamindar revolted against British ,British were friends of Zamindars of Awadh Hindu population ,but they too revolted against British and Sacrificed there lifes in lacs to free India from British invaders in 1857.British than Exiled Nawab of Awadh to Kolkata and Bahadur Shah Zafar to Burma in garage of British Viceroy .it was rule of 90 years that Created false hope on Muslim of India that India can be ruled by Islam once again .if British had not ruled India Muslim and Hindus had lived peacefully reconciled to there faith .Islam and Muslim rule came to an end in 1680 only Nadir Sharma Invaded India ,Delhi in 1761 and again entire Pakistan and Kashmir and Punjab and Himachal Pradesh was under Sikh Empire from 1767 .
Even if Bharat was not a democratic country but still Bharat would be a peaceful nation because of culture of Sanatan
This is a lie. Hindus became peaceful due to budhism. To counter budhism popularity, bhakti yog was introduced. Before that all the tapasya was to gain shakti n shiddhi so that you can grow wealth and kingdom. Ashwamegh yagya (our version of expansionism), rajsuya yagya (our version of imperialism). Sanatan is all about monarchy and brahmanwad. Sanatan became weak because down the line its custodian and intellectuals modified/misinterpreted the original and some created derivative literature with different ideology altogether that lead to its destruction.
Jaise bollywood wale ved, puran, ramayan aur mahabharat ki meben ker rahe h.
Casteism too is a form of violence that is unique to Hinduism. No other Religion in history of Mankind ever oppressed a large part of fellow believers.
That aside, the presence of a large Muslim population will have its own challenges for peace.
@@skagraw2ghanta ashoka khud jaino ke mandir toda thaan.
Hindu by culture hin peacefull hain.
Abhi extremist ban rahe hain ye baat such hain.
@@skagraw2 wrong history mat padha karo yr
It was created to safeguard the interests of nawabs and feudal lords
And well 77 years later they are thriving
The Mughal Empire ended around 1780s and became part if the Maratha Empire.
Read history again.
Pak school education is tailored to instill islam in Children's mind, but not insaniyat.
You are wrong...Insaniyat is Not found among Hindu students. Most are Radicals
Insanityat is an Arabic word. 😂😂😂😂
Not Islam but extremism
The brains of our schoolchildren are being programmed for a world other than the one they live in. DAWN
Also Congress didnt inherit conenctions with people. They built connections with people over deacdes and gained trust of people by spending time in jail getting beaten up by British. Jinnah on the other hand did not even try to build connections, He was an elitist.
He is so shameless to omit all this, He is so small to not give credit to Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar, Patel etc.
At 53:00 mins the momin in the scholar came out. Hindu hatred is hiding in plain sight!
Listen again.
Not sure how can someone reach that conclusion. What I heard is exactly the opposite.
Just as Beauty lies in the eye of Beholder its audio analogue too can be arguably true.
Really? Where did you get that idea? I heard the opposite.
i guess you didn't understand at all
Kya violence ??? In India
Stop talking rubbish
You have no idea about what is happening India so stop talking about us
More Hindus and Sikhs died in partition than Muslims
All you guys can say is Muslim Muslim
Sir,this problem of islamic state vs republic state is not unique to pakistan.This is a serious problem of all OIC member countries except GCC. And this problem is embedded in the history of islam and is not going to go away.
Mr Anjum Altaf probably is the only intellectual I may have witnessed in Pakistan. His analysis is so stark and thought provoking. He’s much better than others from Pakistan.
This guy is a genius. I listen to a lot of Pakistani podcasts even though I am from India but this guy is the best clarity of thought and so intelligent. I hope he goes a long way in life as we need people like him
The problem is not democracy in Pakistan. It is Pakistani sense of Islam. Islaam and democracy can not co-exist. None of the Islamic countries have democracy. Their religion teaches jihad and jihad only. They will keep killing each other. Afghans will kill Punjabi Muslims and punjabis will kill Balochs. Then they will justify by saying that the whole world is conspiring against them.
Pakistan ka matlab kya - kashkol utha aur mang ke khaa.
At present there is approximate more then 10crors of Muslims r in the Bharat .If there two nation theory was right why the Bharatiya Muslims should not go to Pakistan ?Still they r here n they should go to Pakistan according two nation theory .
Amazing man Pakistan needs more scholars like him . He has knowledge and wisdom , more importantly he seems to be unbiased.
The punch line is the last sentence.
Zardari has called to congratulate Putin. Response "Just like how Zardari has been elected, likewise Putin".
Pakistan ka matlab hai Ghazwa e hind. Pakistan ka matlab "free from kafirs".
Pakistan was created with this intention and objective.
And in return Pakistan became a graveyard of innocent people
Thanks JINNAH SAAB THANKS A LOT tah e dil se 😊😊😊aapki wajah se hum progress kur rahe hai😊😊
Jinnah should be the father of Indian nation. We cannot thank him enough.
😂😂😂atankstan
Jinah insecurity had reason of established Pakistan… still pakistan insecure. Jinah liyakat were not leader or freedom fighters
Appreciate your intellectual effort to wake up the people of this country. Civil discourse is the need of time.
Now Pakistan became a truly truly Islamic country . Earlier it was in 50s 60s 70s mindset was of hindu culture but there religion was Islam where hindu culture was more dominant than Islam but now there mindest is Islamic and there religion is also islamic
Good
Lol in 2024 is this even a question..Just accept India National Congress believed in Democracy and Muslim League did not.
Pakistanis just talk. Podcaster wants to make dollars, have only india watchers. NO outcome.
When muslim league leaders were thinking on dividing Hindustan , One man , Mohammed Iqbal the Poet thought along the lines of Hindu leaders and had proposed a muslim dominated areas ie east bengal and west punjab to be two territories ruled by muslims but under indian union dominion , where finance , defence and foreign relations would be under indian union. After his death hard core islamists went for total independent nations. Jinnah who was with Congress jumped the ship and joined the idea of muslim league. On other hand the British who had won the war and in their first cabinet meet in London PM Churchill raised a question - How to stop the Soviets reach warm waters of Indian Ocean ! Answer , create a buffer ie muslim Pakistan. That is where Jinnah the lawyer won the game to be founder , Governor General of Islamic Jamhooriya e Pakistan at a cost of 5 million lives.After his death confusion - Keisa honga Pakistan ? That is where rich zamindaar politicians , mullahs and hungry punjabi generals made a cocktail of governance lasting to date !!!
Iqbal categorically rejected and clearly dissociated from the idea of an independent Muslim country.
Independent india did not have 20 provinces. Nehru n team took concious attempt. Made laws. Also the army was made weaker in india. So dont blame on luck n chance.
Pakistan asking itself whether it is a better democracy than India!! This is like Afghanistan asking whether it has better governance than USA. Question doesn't even makes sense because answer is most obvious
26 states were created by Congress. Army reforms and Land reforms were done by Congress. This "expert" is talking as if India got lucky with good inheritance. Please give credit where its due.
This is the quality of Pakistani intellectual.. that's why Pakistan is in such a wretched state..
Exactly.
@@RavindraKamath55 Bro 37% of Indians also dont gove credit to Congress. India is where it is today due to Nehru and Congress's reforms
We do give that to congress but in democracy you will always have to choose more better options after every 5 years even if you don't like the politics of other party@@junaid_2107
Do you know the history of state reorganization? If not it is better keep your....shut. Congress did not make states..it was forced by many agitations..do you know what Potti Shriramulu? Maharashtra reorganisation? Why Kanya Kumari was taken away from Travancore and given to Madras State. What are parts of Mysore State made off? Do you know Madras Presidency was covering till South Kanara..Your love for achievements of Congress is understandable... Muslim Personal law...
great to hear Dr Anjum, and thanks for having him in your show. We need more talks experts like him to discuss untold parts or intentionally hidden by Pak rulers. Regards
There is no concept of democracy in islaam .Still the army is ruling+I S I +Aatankwadi +politicians .In total Pakistan is a confused region . Politicians can't do any thing without army permission .When Bharat can do this in such a huge country why not in Pakistan .In total Pakistan should surrender n Pakistan govt should govern by the Delhi .When 10crores Muslims r living in the car better position than Pakistan why 25crores people of Pakistan .
I commend Dr. Anjum Altaf on his honesty and forthrightness about the true situation in your country. It is indeed unfortunate that the entire population is under the rule of a corrupt elite/military which has captured all your resources and has no interest in your people’s welfare.
Sir, i feel you have struck right cord, better than all other pakistani writers thinkers, authors, speakers... You have spoken right words on indo-pak issues, your analysis are very apt, precise, correct,... My salute to you 🙏🙏🙏🙏
پاکستان میں کوئی سوال نہیں، پاکستان خود ایک سوال ھے۔
This is all conspiracy theory 😂
First of all Jinnah ka koi vision nahi tha.. second Paxtan power hunger ki vajah se vajood mey Aaya 😂 bhale 4 state ki jagah 40 state bi hote toh bi Punjabis hi ruled karte 😂😅
sir,भाषा,बोली के बारे में बच्चों को शिक्षा देने की बात कर रहे हैं ,सही कह रहे हैं ।
A country occupied by Landlords,Tribel chiefs and Punjabi commission agents families can never be ruled in true spirit of law However ,under these circumstances the Courts and other state institutions are weapons to FUCK WHOLE NATION TO PROTECT THEIR STATUS.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Pakistan is a democracy? Greatest joke of my life. I can't stop laughing at the mention of "Democracy in Islam".
Some may argue that Islam shares values of equality and justice with modern democracy, likening it to a form of democracy without the nudity. However, it is difficult to find individuals who truly embody the principles of Islam in practice. It is believed by some that Islam began to decline as a true representation of its values around 50 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
@@4SevenSeas Muhammad represents the True Islam. Doesn't he? Marryied about a dozen women besides a lot of laundiyaa, divorced eleven, forcibly had sex with the women of the defeated enemy and when he was fed up with them, sold them for money, married a six year old child when he was old enough to be her grand father, declared women as half of men in intelligence, saw most of them in Zahannam because of the menstruation, practised all inhuman behaviour towards the Kafirs (Best example of democracy?), took the path of deception to kill the Kafirs and etc. etc. etc. Islam is best represented by Muhammad.
Sir
Muslims wanted to have a separate country.
violence is not due to the nation-state. It is resource distribution by political powers. Resources are controlled by one group and other ethnic group wants more. Fighting is in the culture and religion education of Abrahamic religions. India is very unique nation due to its heritage and religion. All this propaganda against India is from Western countries, leftist and Islamic societies because they don't have the same well-run elections and transfer of power.
India was left as a dead and dirt-poor country. But people have been enterprising. SINCE 2014 Business is growing and competing in the world. India was the richest country before the British robbery. It will be the richest country again in 30 years.
This uncle slightly resembles with Pt. Nehru 😂
When Muslims started to think they are from Arab, then the felt they are a different nation.
It also depends on how the ruling dispensation deals with issues, what its vision and blueprint for progress are and on what path it takes the nation.
India dealt with the language issue, much before Pakistan did, in a progressive way by creating states in linguistic basis. In Pakistan, it resulted in the break-up of the country.
India passed laws on land ceiling and implemented these. Pakistan didn't.
General Ayyub Khan went to the US President and asked for arms and ammunition; Nehru went and asked for science and technology.
When there were law and order problems, Indian political leaders dealt with the problems themselves and tried to find a solution; in Pakistan, political leaders, when riots broke out, handed over the issue to the army to deal with it.
India always has had a blueprint for industrialization; I think Pakistan never had it.
General Ayyub Khan
What one thousand years???explain
Hindus are naturally democratic.Phanchayti Raj been indigenous in Indian subcontinent.Kindness is the root of a religion.We are kind to even animals.If one doesn’t understand this !
Anjum Altaf sahib- a very good talk on this topic. I have one question for you- what do oyu think of the views of Dr. ishtiaq who was also I understnd at LUMs and is a Poofessor at Stolkholm university. He is very critiacl of Mr.Jinnah and iagaint the urdu speaking peopl who were at th forefront of the Pakistan movement. gratfeul for your views. You may recall we worked together firt at the National Bank of Pakistan and hten later at the World Bank. best wishes. ali hashim
Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmad is a fake Al- Taqiya practicing pseudo secular so called liberal Muslim who is peddling lies & doing propoganda against Indian Nationalist Leaders like Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel,RSS & Hinduism.He criticizes Hinduism at the drop of hat but never criticizes Islam which endorses Racism, Slavery,Firqaparasti & denies equal rights to women.Now a days he is advocating people to people contact, trade relations & allowing easy movement of people but easily forgets to highlight the point that what India would gain by doing so.I think that by doing so Pakistan will be winner & gain everything whereas India will be looser & terrorist activities of Pakistani based organisation will rise so India should not fall prey to such tactics by Pakistan.Dr.Iahtiaq Ahmad is always full of praise for Nehru,Azad & Congress who were nothing but Hindu haters & wanted to keep Hindus suppressed/ subjugated as such they made Muslims stay back in India after partition by appeasing them.Maulana Azad was not even born in India,never had any formal education was made first education minister of independent India & he glorified all Muslim rulers who carried out systematic genocide of Hindus,carried out forced conversions of Hindus & whitewashed Indian History.The list is long but make the story short Ishtiaq Ahmad & all other so called Pakistani intellectuals are nothing but Hindu haters & love only those Indian leaders who appease Muslims & keep Hindus suppressed/subjugated & are soft towards Pakistan.
Islam is ruling over AfPak & BD - What do you see? Till 2014 foreign 1 Book AbraHaramisms (Christianity, Islam & Marxism) ruled over India/Hindustan - Bharat's economic rate of growth was on an average 3%. Since native roots nurturing Hindutva is ruling Bharat, Bharat became 0 riots, 0 terror nation which uplifted 200 Million out of poverty in last 10 years.
Vah Vah 😂 why not find great great grand son of Bahadur shah Zafar and install hin in Islamabad!
Easy to find BSJ's descendant. He stays on the zhopda Patti in old Delhi.
Both the countries are failed democracies india moving towards dictatorship and pakistan towards anarchy. Sad story of two Asian countries
How india 🤔
A clear and concise opinion by a learned professor.
Wait....when Pakistan became democracy 🤣🤣
Akhand Bharat - Ghar Wapsi - Hindu Rashtra - all 3 will happen together - JAI SHRI RAM!
Once POK is back in control of India, it will be AKHAND BHARAT and later the internet will open the eyes of this ewho got converted in the last 1000 years or so after living in the RAM RAJYA which would be opposite to the Sharia rule in Fakistan, they will start what we call "ghar-vapisi" of all Muslim brothers whose roots are and were in India. gah Vapid does not necessarily mean being Hindu, any one who decides to live in peace and harmony with Kaffirs and Jews would be a son or daughter of Bharatmata or AKHAND bHARAT. We do not want an inch of Fakistan or Lungidesh with or without Jehadi Muslim upbringing*@@muhammadrehanmubashir1363
@@muhammadrehanmubashir1363 lawda it was all ours when Arabs didn't even existed
Democracy, Education(Not literacy) ,Progress, Scientific Thought, Peace and Prosperity are conspicuous by their absence in the DNA of Islam.
Please stop this 1000 years of Mughal rule
We had our own native kingdoms too
This mindset is what brings down your country
I believe that no Hindu dynasty in the Indian subcontinent ever ruled over a significant amount of land like the Mughal Empire and the British Raj did.
British created Pakistan for their geopolitical interests. British were allmost banrupt after 2nd WW. Aerica emerged as the leader of Western Civilization, which was also colonized by British .
USA dictated all European countries to free all the countries that Europe had colonized and were ruling at the time of 2nd WW.
Under American presuure so many countries became free. Jinnah, Gandhi and Nehru had no impact in US decision.
Their struggle was genine. But we did not get freedom because of their independence struggle.
Jazakallahu khaira for updating
आप लोगों को नहीं लगता कि अगर पाकिस्तान में forcefully conversion न हुआ होता तो पाकिस्तान में लोकतांत्रिक व्यवस्था बहुत बढ़िया चलती !!!!
بہت اعلی گفتگو
This is the best podcast I have seen about Pakistan
Two nations theory was miserably failed in 1971. MA Jinha should be held responsible for pathetic and horrible conditions of Pakistan.
Discussion is not fair. Infact Pakistan was created for west with nexus of Ashrafia and west to continue Pakistan as west colony for Ashrafia and west .Indian masses made India for masses and indian voters.
I am glad you dealt with the subjects frankly. You did not hide behind euphemisms and oblique references and called a spade a spade. However, I am concerned about your safety.
India has 30 states and union Territories with different language but no one has language problem in study
After all he proved his biased mind and kathmullapan ..he too is not different
No dear, violence was there during a weak in mind Congress time. After Modi ji has come to power there has been 80 to 90% decrease in violence in India. Pakistan sponsored terrorism has been eradicated in Jammu and Kashmir.
Bangaldesh 🇧🇩 Khalistan free trade agreement
Why Pakistan don't adopt Indian policy of education
Sir , you are wrong , Muslims always support fellow Muslims
Are you debating if Indian democracy is better than that of Pakistan?
It is highly laudable that Pakistanis with foreign degrees, such as Professor Altaf who has degrees from Stanford, are entirely at home expressing themselves in Urdu. I don't know of many foreign educated Indians who can express themselves in any language other than English.
This is a good discussion and your guest is obviously asking people to think critically about issues fundamental to your country. But at 52:47, he, like a lot of people from your country starts saying India is becoming a “Hindu Rashtra”. At least your educated class needs to understand that this is an impossibility, both constitutionally and physically, due to the sheer diversity and size of India. Falling for propaganda is easy, but since you seem to be an informed host, you need to get the real facts, and challenge your guests when they parrot the same old tired lines about “Hindu Rashtra”. Peace ✌🏼
Amazing how a religion started by a businessman 1400 years back could completely divide humanity and change a section of humans into sub humans. It was as if the world was waiting for this in the 7th century. Probably Islam had such a powerful message that it attracted some types of people . This so called religion would be the main event in earth’s millions of years of history .
The South is more developed than north india. South is more diverse and more educated
Congress was stupid in making a half partition in collusion with Jinnah's ML. They did a blunder and should have gone for a full partition. Muslims 100 % Pakistan and Hindus 100 %, Bharat. Now after some time there is a strong possibility of a second partition, Pakistan 2.
Professor saab is a good human being 🎉
The finest and most intellectual discussion ever heard from Pakistan. Although I think for a healthy and happy Pakistan but sorry to say, it's too late.
If at all Pakistan has to progress it has to admit all it’s past mistakes and the atrocities committed against India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and more importantly admit it’s Indian identity where all their ancestors were Hindus.
"Is India better democracy than pakistan" . Really Really.
Does pakistan had or have democracy with not a single govt completed it's tenure in last 75 years.
A country whose constitution bars non muslims to occupy high posts calls itself democracy. Even democracy will be laughing.
Pakistan only identity is being anti India. Any way pakistan has no worth in the world order.
The author believes that Pakistani Jhail of which has majority have decided Pakistan ka matlab Kya hay . The question is moot
Thanks Jinha ❤️ ❤
Thank you sir, for an enlightening talk.
As with Hindu rashtra.
Rashtra is a socio cultural concept .
A political state is called a rajya in sanskrit.
As long as they say hindu rashtra all is well, but the day they start calling for a Hindu Rajyam, then muslims need to be worried.
😂😂😂. Muslim league ka hold nahin tha😂😂😂
Ye dabaane wali soch he nahi hai hindustanio ki
Military & Public ....but now in Pakistan >>mulla Moulavi Quran, Islamic mentality ,
Jinha said to gandhi ji we were the rular of india before Britishers took over India, that's why after they leave India they should hand over the power to muslims. When British said rular will be elected, then jinha said reserved fifty percent of parliament seats, 50% beaurocracy, and judiciary to muslims. Gandhi ji was ready but nehru did not agree, there fore division became inevitable. Even after division of india Congress run the country by sharia law.
Very impressive debate.
جناح صاحب ایک صاف اور کھڑے آدمی تھے انہوں نے جگہ جگہ دھوکا کھایا۔ پہلے گانگرس نے، پھر انگریزوں نے، اور اس کے بعد تقسیم کے بعد اپنے ہی لوگوں نے ان کے ساتھ بے وفائی کی۔ قائداعظم محمد علی جناح رح زندہ آباد۔ پاکستان زندہ آباد
Bahut shukriya 🙏
AL-Hamdulillah !
What democracy in Pakistan? The world is fully aware of what happens in Pakistan in the name of democracy.
And comparing a genuine democracy like India with the comedy in the name of democracy in Pakistan is a joke.
Best explanation of Pakistan🇵🇰 problem ever heard. 👍
Mughal only in some parts not whole india
हीसा हला 😂 दला तला 😂 तलवार के दम पर सलवार पहने वाली कौन😂🕉️🚩🇮🇳❤️✌️
1000 years of Muslims rule?
It's 300(saltnate)+300(Mughal) and also during sultanate rule South India was under hindu rule for most of times and after 1720 most of North India was under maratha,jat and Sikhs!!
Now I can understand the syllabus of your Pakistan studies 😂😂😂
اعلیٰ تعلیمی مراکز ، بہترین مساجد ، شہرہ آفاق دینی مدارس ، عمدہ سڑکیں اور شاندار ائیر پورٹس تو بھارت میں بھی تھے تو پاکستان بنانے کا مقصد کیا تھا ؟؟
To fool the Muslims.😂
@@vineetdeorari8017 and Hindus by not doing population exchange
@@Dhhu333 true that..Ambedkar was right
Not huzarron, only hundreds
Campaign for india-pakistan federation
very right and true by pakistan