DIY Container Bunker Design: Construction Tips w/
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- Have you ever wanted to SAFELY bury a shipping container to create a underground survival shelter or bunker?
So have we, but we don't want to end up in a metal coffin! Today, we'll give you a sneak peak at the techniques we'll use when we bury one into a hillside next spring.
Join Ron from @AtlasSurvivalShelters and I as we DIG into the dangerous process of burying shipping containers. In this video, we debunk common misconceptions and present insights on some proper techniques for embedding containers into hillsides. Let us know your thoughts in the video comments. Your input will impact our final design!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:48 Exterior & Interior Framing Systems
3:00 Ron's Expert Advice
4:50 Waterproofing Your Container
5:50 Industry Regulations
7:30 Underground Bunker Pricing
8:00 Engineering Disclaimer
8:35 Burying A Container Concept
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The guy from atlas rocks :) good to see him helping others :)
Ron is a great guy!
@@TheContainerGuyTV Yes he is, watched many videos of his ❤️
For the right price, he'd be helpful to you as well...
Designed a nice tomb / casket... and mother nature or the enemy locks you inside it... Any shelter design without at least two places for egress is a casket. If a tree fell against it, rocks rolled against the doors, someone locks you in, you're screwed. The design must be lockable from the inside when occupied, and should not be lockable on at least one exit from the outside. Then of course, there was no design for airflow in this case. It's a casket. Moral of the story is, you cannot do these things quickly or without thought, or inexpensively... Re. I don't want anyone to get hurt. You need to think these things through and have a check list...
If it is truly apocalyptic prepping, you need more protections from looter who wants to kill you to take your resources. Bullet proof, torch proof, back up egress and primary and hidden secondary air vent with protection from poison gas attacks.
It should not be on municipal building permit record either.
I buried my container upside down because the flooring is the strongest part now having it as a ceiling. Sat down on two foot of gravel for water drainage and poured concrete slab floor inside over horizontal rebar and vertical rebar hammered into the ground 6’. I ran 4” I beams every two foot apart down the sides and sealed everything up with sealant and more gravel to fill in the sides and top with a layer of dirt over that.
I have an underground home. I'm the second owner. Had to excavate the wingwalls at the entrance and put in drainage tile also used allthread and 12 inch steel plates to prevent them ever coming back into a bulging state. Backfilled with river rock.
After all the work needed to safely bury a container, I think it would be easier just to use ICF, CMU, or formed concrete.
But do you trust the cracks?
This guy has his business model and he's not going to appreciate stuff that doesn't fit it...
Exactly
It was a valid question. I love ICF. My cabin basement is ICF.
I DONT trust the cracks
I personally think ICF, assembling precast Square pipe sections together or forming the desired shape using pressure treated plywood and pouring concrete would be easier than skinning inside and out of shipping containers. Perhaps using the end wall with the door/s end wall of the shipping container and casting into position with the angled retaining walls would make sence. lots of ways to do things but seems like a lot of layers inside and out to make a shipping container work. would be a good business model to have a set of casting/forming mould sections that can be assembled on site and removed to take to the next jobsite. a curved roof is stronger tham a flat roof so make some curved room mould sections and a one with a tunnel access so have multiple exits.
Completely agree. I'm not sure why people would even want to use a shipping container to begin with. It doesn't give structural support, it doesn't provide insulation, it doesn't provide an air or moisture barrier, and it forces you into a specific shape and size.
Cool idea but it just doesn't seem practical.
shipping containers are DIY friendly and cheaper to free to get started with... ICF is good for people with a big budget and a lot of time and requires hiring a lot of professionals... shipping containers can also be done more secretly and quickly. concrete blocks are the cheapest but require more skill and knowledge and the ceiling/floor is difficult and requires skill/knowledge/training or hiring a professional...
@@VenturaIT a blanket over chairs is also very DIY friendly and easy, etc. You didn't say anything to address all of the downsides to shipping containers. They are a huge waste of time and money unless you're getting them from a junk yard.
ICF can be stacked and filled by one man with a hand mixer and a pickup truck for small projects.
The hydrostatic pressure joke got me!!😂 great video!
Atlas’ owner is a “mensch”. Collaborates with another great guy so everybody wins -specially consumers👏🏻
One way in/out is a tomb, exposed front doors. Tunnel down at an angle with steps diwn to buner and a rear escape vertical tunnel.
It's a great Idea. I think an ICF system would be a good cost effective solution with fiberglass rebar as a mono pour.
If you do all that with engineering approval then why would you need shipping containers? Especially when you have 8’ narrow interiors.
Exactly. Even a CMU block with rebar and poured cells will do the trick at less cost..
@user-mm6xi3er5u At the end of the day, he does offer a unique service and product. Honestly, for his age, he seems to be doing well from a business perspective. The other thing is container builds have been trending this past decade because of the save the earth movement. The reality it that you can build in a different way for less resources than a container. I'm sure he is aware of his market. I think the largest competitor in North America is probably mobile storage. They are many in the commercial realm of job site conversions. I could also see this valuable to ship gear and supplies to a remote area to set up a home base. Nonetheless, he is diversifying his service portfolio, which is good even if it's a small market.
Happy New Year
traditional methods are not as DIY friendly, the guy from Atlas said there are no building codes or permits for bunkers, traditional methods are also not as cheap (or even free) to get started and require hiring multiple professionals who will all know your business and location, the ceilings/roof of ICF and concrete block is much more difficult to impossible for the average DIYer, with the shipping container they can get a small bunker in the side of hill for the cost of the minor things like rocks, drains, sealers, insulation, wood... shipping containers can be found for free.
Since Ron is pushing for and said he would be a member of a code and regulations organization, he didn't look all that pleased when you said "it would suck if we were just coded right out of our industry". Maybe I read too much into his body language and facial expression. 🤷🏼♂️ You guys are doing great. Keep it up!
yep, fire and electrical resistance is the main thing for safety of a dwelling. I couldnt have it on my conscience building a death trap.
If Ron is the only one one the committee then he's the only one able to sell the containers.
Yes!! Been waiting for this vid for a year, ever since I thought of doing this! Well done you two pros!!
I guess you’re a person that cannot think for themselves. Please government give it to me harder. These guys are no different.
When Ron say you did a good job, I never see something like this … well it’s said a LOTS! Congrats
I thought that was a compliment, coming from him ❤️
My best friend buried his container in the sand in Florida, the walls collapsed when he backfilled and he never used his shelter, so here is what we what we did, we buried three 40 foot hi cube shipping containers side by side, we started with a base 12" of 1-1/2" clear washed stone, then set and leveled the containers, then set 12" (cement core) ICF (insulated concrete forms) around the two sides and the back, installed rebar, then poured the walls with cement, then set metal deck panels crossways across all 3 containers, and setting on the outside ICF cement walls, we over lapped the panels at the container seems for extra strength, then poured 8" of cement on the lid over the metal panels, Then installed 2 layers of 2" extruded polystyrene, then installed rubber roofing EDM over the entire lid over lapping the sides about 12" over drainage, we also waterproofed the ICF walls with Total Wall's waterproof cement base coat. then we poured wing walls like in your video on each side of the doors, then back filled and also covered the lid with about 12" dirt, 10 years later it is still solid as a rock and no leaks whatsoever. we left the wood floors as is and cut walk through doors between each container so they are all connected and accessible once you are inside. The ICF's create a super strong insulated shelter.
the guy who poured your cement knows where to bring his family if the SHTF
It’s very important to use perforated drain tile around the perimeter of the container and don’t forget the slope along the back and towards the front to properly drain the buried container so to avoid water pooling around the unit. It is also wise to add a bit of slope not only to the prepared bed of an in hill installation but to the container as well in case Murphy sticks his finger into the build.
If your doing a bitumen seal around the container, use extreme care in backfilling the instal, it can scratch and allow water in that will attack the steel over time.
Good stuff I will be at this stage when the snow melts in northern Quebec. We have an off-grid cabin at the moment.
Friendly warning about regulations:
Whilst well intended, you don't want them. Regulations kill industries, small businesses, innovation and improvements. As can be seen looking at the over regulated hellhole that is Australia, everything MUST be done by a licenced professional TO the standard. That means absolutely NO deviating from the standard. Sure you might be a qualified engineer who can prove its safer to go beyond the standard - but you can't! The law sets the standards as the only way it can be done, not the minimum. Standards tighten annually for minor things, but, for any major changes - that's a once a decade review that NEVER happens early.
Standards also automatically prohibit any and all DIY as the profession and work becomes legally "regulated".
Regulations / Standards also create a boutique industry of "inspection" at every stage of the process. Not all, but many inspectors will leak details from one business to another so kiss any permissible IP goodbye (methods, layouts, etc.).
Regulations / standards also are by design used to keep small businesses out of the industries:
* The cost to buy the standard is usually $8000+ for anything major
* The costs to be approved to build/design to the standard (i.e. compliance licencing) start around $25,000 per employee per year
* Each inspection can cost up to $10,000 because you can't do anything without the inspections, nor can you have an "in-house" inspector
* Annual re-training/update/refresher courses 3-5 days every year cost ~$5000 per employee per year - becomes mandatory to remain qualified
And all that's on top of any existing professional licencing and update/refresher courses and continuing professional development (CPD) which are required to remain qualified as a licenced engineer.
Put this all together and you get a situation where one or two idiots who don't care about quality and safety ruin it for everyone and only the existing big names can continue. That's how it all plays out, that's why is damn near impossible to do much of anything in Australia without the direct assistance/involvement of a giant multi-national corporation who's permitted to do it.
The best solution is to make it easy to hold the company / individual 100% liable if what they did fails or has issues. American's love to sue, that process needs to be made easy in such cases where the product failed or had issues. When I say liable, I don't just mean the business, I mean someone who's liable for signing off unacceptable/insufficient work.
But then snake oil sellers like Rising S still thrive. I guess, though, peer accountability matters. Some companies could even band together as an association and set standards that allow a bunker to receive an "Association Certified" badge that guarantees quality.
@@harrymu148 Snake oil sellers will ALWAYS thrive. They'll lie, promise the world and always be cheaper.
The only way to get rid of them is to share proof of just how bad their products are as much as possible (Atlas / Ron has plenty of videos showing just how bad, dangerous and falling apart Rising S products are), to use word of mouth and for the big names to offer an equivalent price point product that's actually safe - Atlas are currently doing this.
There is no other way.
What your suggesting is still only going to result in government regulation and total government control of the industry and the effective prohibition of improvements as ALL government regulation starts as "association standards".
As I said in my main comment, the best solution is to make it easy to sue the bad companies and the owners of said companies. When they're legally personally liable and unable to avoid jail time for gross negligence, they'll either quit producing rubbish or they'll improve their product. Simply put, most people value their freedom and want to avoid jail - the legal threat of jail is the only proven deterrent when it comes to business.
Freedom and life are dangerous, its not possible to change that. If you try to make everything "safe" you end up with hellholes like Australia and New Zealand where everything is so over regulated that only giant multi-nationals can do anything, most people have pointless govt jobs or are unemployed and 99% of outdoor activities are illegal for "safety".
Lastly, look at the costs I've mentioned in my main comment - how many companies can actually afford those? There's plenty of good small companies who make small versions products very close to Atlas', many do exactly as he does in terms of build, materials and quality but they service the smaller end of the market. Those companies would be out of business in an instant which would mean more business for the likes of Rising S.
Glad to see this video series. Thanks for doing it!
Another question would be, what if you wanted humidity inside, like for a root cellar? Much more niche, but I'm wondering if you could skip the spray foam, keep the bottom open, and just use pond liner around the outside/up top.
I hope this all works out! I can see you and the Team are working hard to make this happen! Good luck with it. And Happy New Year, Channing!!
Another idea is to use ICF blocks along the sides of the container, but then why even buy the container?
That's a really good idea. The seam welded steel structure of a container plus waterproofing has some benefit.
Steel reinforced rebar construction with engineering approval from municipality is way to go. I have built 16x32 bunker with 92 curd of concrete to withstand nuclear blast on one side. ICF construction allows wider interior and nearly all municipalities require structural engineering approval anyways. Shipping container bunkers are needed for initial cheap storage shed/bunker.
Nice collaboration! I follow Atlas too. 😃👍🏻
Ron's a good 💩
My Brother's Basement, is backed into a Bank. The Front Wall (Sun Face & Door) is 4" Thick Poured Concrete. The Side Walls are 6" Poured Concrete. The Back wall is 8" Thick Poured Concrete!
It is on a 24' x 24' layout, and the Back Wall, has a Sloped "Corbel" included Mid Point of the Wall!
Hard to believe that was done when I was a Young Boy, over 50 Years Ago!! Its still holding up well!
Not sure what I heard here will hold up to Sloped Earth Pressure, & Hydrostatic Pressure, but, time will tell!
GREAT VIDEO, I ENJOY SEEING PEOPLE WITH NEW IDEA'S, AND RON WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS AS WELL SMALL COMPANIES BECAUSE RON HAS AN IDEA SELLING PARTS AND THAT IS A GREAT MOTIVATION 👍
You guys rule!! I love your videos. Containers are so handy.
I'm appreciating the computer graphics!
Lots of work!
I appreciate it, thanks for the effort!@@TheContainerGuyTV
When researching to do an underground bunker myself I came up with a method ive not seen anyone else do before that I wouod like to try. Essentially dig a straight hole a couple of feet wider than the shipping container and weld a top hatch on the container. Waterproof the heck out of it with dpm/ tar paint/ etc and prep the base of the hole in the same way as this video.
Now the different approach: using pond liner create an inner shell liner INSIDE the container. As you pour the concrete along the exterior of the shipping container(between container and earth side), fill the lined inside of the container with water, balancing the pressures as the concrete cures. After a week pump out the water inside, remove the liner and you have a concrete bunker without the need for retaining fom walls. Now the density of water and cobcrete isn't the same, so worse case you have to fill the water to concrete in a ratio of 2:1 and do the concrete pour in two goes
Hope someone sees this comment and can provide any insight into my idea.
You are essentially reinventing the wheel with your method and adding an unnecessary shipping container to the mix. If you Google how concrete dome homes are made, you will find that they use a bladder. They inflate the bladder with air, then spray a sticky cement mixture over it. After deflating the bladder, you are left with a concrete dome. This method can be applied to any shape, and the thickness of the dome or whatever shape would depend on the required strength to withstand the dirt load. I'm not sure about the exact calculations, but I believe fiber-reinforced concrete could potentially eliminate the need for rebar or a steel structure if it is made thick enough. Then you would cover it in plastic liner and spray foam and you would have a watertight insulated underground structure.
if you are filling the outside with a concrete shell, you probably don't need the wood framing, just the standard requirements for concrete (rebar, etc.) the shipping container is probably strong enough to hold the concrete while it sets since it's not the entire weight of the hill like with dirt fill... but you need to know what you are doing with concrete forms because they can fail and kill and hurt people... so talk to a professional first. the framing on the outside is more there to hold as a form... which it would be required since concrete is heavy... a lot of concrete forms are made with plywood on both sides.
You can almost see Ron coming up with new ideas as he walks around
AKA learning from my ideas 💡
Noticed that too 😂
You should recommend pressure treated 2x4s for the outside framing as well and plywood also comes in pressure treated as well.
It would almost make more sense to flip it over and seal off the cracks in the floor and just pour concrete for the roof and install a new floor on what used to be the top of the container. Also the floor and the four corners are the ones rated for holding the load kinda like a pole barn
*The Container Guy* New Sub, enjoying your content, thank-you for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.
Can't wait to see this installed. Excellent !!!
Steel Quonset hut covered in spray foam and helix shot create over that is more economical with it's naturally strong arch shape.
I watched a couple videos on those. They look cool. Ton of work though
Looking forward to seeing how ya do this! Blessings and Happy New Year ❤
Happy new year!
Very Informative by the both of you and having Ron on here is also a major bonus, Happy New Year guys.
Good job and keep up the great work. Also, burry it ABOVE ground and you eliminate many of your problems and still get a tornado shelter, nuclear blast shelter (if 5+ miles away from blast) and radiation shelter. Why burry if you don't have to?
Very nice...I like the fancy animations. You guys are killing it.
The sleeping potato was a great touch 😂
Great video guys. I'm looking forward to what you all come up with. I would love to see more collaboration in the future. Maybe you can put one of Ron's NBC filtration systems in your build, and an airtight door with a dirty room?
Geotextile pond underlayment over the container and down to the pea gravel under the subfloor level will help moisture mitigation. Place over your foam exolayer like a hood.
Air ventilation system might be good for a domicile or office
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Burying hollow objects requires "Buoyancy Calculations" if you anticipate any level of ground water interfacing....
Also (obvious) the deeper you got the more PSI against the wall and it goes up quick farther down you go.
I wasn't expecting Ron to be FOR regulations, glad he is though. Makes him seem more trustworthy for sure. The worst nightmare would be to be in one of these bunkers and have them cave in on you and bury you alive. Not many ways to die that are worse than that.
I really like your ideas. Since you have the platform to try things here are some comments.
My rules of thumb. Keep it simple and safe. DIY, positive ROI. Better.
Make hole 2 feet larger all around container.
Set container 1 foot off ground on temporary blocks on 4 corners. Remove wood floor.
Place first foot of closed cell polyurethane pour foam under container. Replace floor.
Pour foam is less expensive than spray foam, more diy, water barrier, insulation, no need for gravel base. Foam supports entire container.
Maybe add studs or rebar around container for reinforcement.
Continue adding lifts of foam between container and dirt wall which is the outer form.
Cover top of container with 2 feet of foam. Cover with 1+ feet of top soil.
The pour foam is the insulation, water/moisture barrier, and structural support.
Since the density of pour foam is much less, the force of the soil pushing against the container is balanced.
May need to put more soil on top to keep the container from " floating" out of the ground.
Adjust to fit.
Im glad im not the only one that geeks out about shipping containers! haha
Be careful codifying shipping container as structural building code. It is already difficult to compete with well designed steel framing and moment frames. Especially when project requires structures of wider than 8’ clearspan, shipping containers are claustrophobic. Most shipping container clients put up with 8’ restrictions for cost saving.
With the popularity of shipping container shops and reduced availability you will kill your own industry, and there won’t be no turning back. Less government regulation is good, find business differentiation with engineered solutions not squashing new businesses.
I am a retired Green Building contractor and clean tech entrepreneur. Let youngbloods flow into your industry. I remember when you were a young buck trying to sell shipping container ideas.
Good info…lots of the info will help me hopefully do my maintenance building.
It would be cool to see you guys build a staircase that replaces the doors do it could be buried and a plate to mount on the roof to run a ventilation pipe.
Metal fatigue is a thing, there will be constant force on your shelter eventually causing structural failure. Only metal is not a suitable material for underground shelters I think, though pillars to absorb shock is another case. I would rather make an artificial cave than stay in a metal box like canned food. Though if not underground it would work well enough. For underground, stonemasonry, cement, strong isolation chemicals, a thick coat of petrochemicals(even a thick layer of plastic for moisture isolation perhaps would be much more functional for long term.
So a stone structure with no sharp corners covered with thick plastic sheets welded to leave no point open.
Consider wrapping those containers in plastic when you are actually putting them underground, even a coat of recycled barrels would do wonders, for increasing product's durability to elements.
Can you just make a concrete room out of ICF for the shipping container to sit in? Then you don't have to worry about anything pressing up against the sides, you can control the moisture / humidity of the chamber, mount the shipping container on springs (like cheyenne mountain bunker), and you can make the room large enough to access in between the shipping container and concrete chamber to do inspections and maintenance for something that last generations.
Nice!!! Loved the biden dig lol
Awesome video looking forward to the end result 👍.
It looks awesome!.
One concern... Will TERMITES get into the plywood you are using in the ground?
It would be interesting to see how tank containers hold up underground.
I'm building one out of a rail car tanker. 5/8" thick steel.
Retaining walls higher than 4’ are required to be engineered according to North Carolina code. Doesn’t matter where it is or what it is for. Obviously out of sight out of mind, but it is still a thing here. Good job on the video. This project will still cost 10’s of thousands of dollars. Not a cheap build. I completed a 32’x48’ basement all in for $25,000 this year. Including waterproofing, slab, concrete rebar and excavation. Another $10,000 would get me a roof system if I choose to bury it. This is cheaper than a container build, IMO.
The results of unintended consequences, over reach and incompetence that will stem from regulating a currently unregulated industry will far outweigh the mistakes and costs of people doing these themselves. At some point you have to be responsible for yourself and the decisions you make. Call it dangerous freedom or whatever you want. What you guys are doing here will have exponentially better benefits to people wanting to build a shelter than any regulation would hope to have. We began teaching children how to avoid structural problems by telling them the story of the 3 little pigs. How many people even know that story and understand the lesson. Thanks for the video.
Note: swiss bunker doors are essentially solid concrete slabs of several inches thick. that allows them to act as a shield when the bunker is sealed up.
Do you do plans for container homes . Using 5 for a 1 level , 3 bedroom and 2 bathroom with a laundry and pantry.
ya gotta modify the shiping container so much, wouldnt it be cheeper to just build from scratch?
That’s awesome and I agree with a lot of comments here about having a secondary exit point. Would it be possible to have a hatch on the roof, but having it stick up further out of ground disguised as a tree stump or something that looks like natural habitat? Then if something bad did happen and you got stuck you could cut that exit point with a grinder and get out. Great video looking forward to the real thing
My question has always been when you have a container like that how do you, or is it intended to stay inside, and lock the door? I would rather incorporate a exit door somewhere that can be locked from the inside. Correct me if I am wrong please.
This shits cool as fcuk glad to see a good ol boy from central canada doing it
One problem is the doors only open outward. Heavy snow, mud, or even intentional blocking could make your shelter into your tomb. Maybe offer a kit that allows an inward opening standard size door to be inserted into one of the container doors. An emergency exit could be put in the roof, pull some pins a trapdoor would swing down, it would dump a few feet of dirt into the shelter but you could get out.
Atlas shelters puts sand in their escape hatch. Open up the 2nd door and the sand comes in allowing you to exit.
Looking forward to the experiment. Sheet of plywood might buckle out and/or pull completely out from outside studs when pouring concrete.
I’m curious how you did the animations. Very cool. Please explain.
Thanks for the video and information, but how you make sure, if you use it as an shelter, you can lock it from the inside, without be able to lock you in, from the outside?? I think that's a big thing if you do not only use it as a storage. Any ideas for that?
What kind of strut system are you using, are you using unistrut, tele-strut or b-line
So utilizing that steel and concrete reinforcement technique would also be good for an above ground container home? Especially if it's in an area that is located in a hurricane or bad weather zone? Also, could you do that to 2 40' shipping containers that you put together?
Yup. Would work great. Would withstand an EF4 or EF5 Tornado if pinned to the ground.
As Eddy Arnold would say, “Make the world go away. And get it off my shoulders. Say the things you used to say. And make the world go away.”
Dang, and I have the perfect farm with a hill to drop that into. Barely an hour out of Saskatoon I'd love to volunteer space for them to experiment and install one he he he.😂❤
I would like to suggest that insulation layer may be redundant or preventing you from taking advantage of passive heat from buying underground
Since shipping containers have Basically a open bottom What'd it be possible to flip a shipping tuner over and just weld both Open bottoms together
awesome thanks!
What kind of spray foam do you use?
i have question how tight are they on this in ontario? im been considering building a container camp maybe bury one or 2 containers
I dreamed about bunkers 2 weeks ago
What about 'air flow'? I'm assuming this is for storage only and air flow is the rezult only when the doors are open or dis you have something else in mind?
Amazing!!!
You are clever 👍
What problems would I run into if I say, dig a giant hole. Drop some engineered rock in the very bottom. Dropped in a container with sealed doors, ventilation, interior supports built into it and tube with a ladder coming out the top to a hatch elevated to be above ground level.(obviously check for level and make sure it is fully supported before moving forward), drop in a some smaller rock and push it into the gaps under the container using air pressure or water. Place a water proof liner(like what is used on top of commercial roofs) over the top and all four sides of the box. And then fill it with concrete till I can’t see the container anymore. Once the concrete has cured I fill in the rest of the hole with soil.
Is the interior framing and concrete not enough strength?
How important/helpful would it be to add a rebar cage around the top of the container?
In this video it seems like he is avoiding the use of concrete? Is there a reason for this? I don’t have a ton of experience in construction and none with concrete but from what I do know about it I would assume it would be the perfect material to surround the container.
Why are they using so much spray foam in this video? If the container is surrounded by dirt then you shouldn’t need any insulation, and I can’t think of any other possible reasoning for using it.
In most areas you need to be below 6ft to take advantage of the ground being 58*
Would have to find alternatives to the toxic spray foam and PVC, that's a no-go.
I forgot to mention we did have a 4" perforated drain tile running around the perimeter of the ICF wall and draining past the front of the containers, and we poured a sloping cement apron pad for ease of getting in and out of the containers
You could in case that hole container with spray creat witch is used for swimming pools that is very strong
Which software do you use for phasing animation?
Interesting in setting two 20 ft containers into the side of a hill setting side by side with an 8 inch gap. Then waterproofing the outsides and insulating foam on both, then enveloping them in concrete with steel reinforcement with about two foot of dirt overhead. Only the doors would be exposed with poured concrete wings.
what cad app , are you kids using , kinda looks like sketchup pro. though didn't know it could do animation. ty anyway nice job.
Q: Would it be better (and worth the extra expense) to go with a container meant for refrigeration?
Depends if you can maintain it. Otherwise they might be an issue because the cooling radiator has refrigerant lines that bridge between the inside and outside. Granted if you were only looking for the insulated box, a regular container and good practices while putting in spray foam will do you better.
would hope a fire doesnt start in one of those containers, that pvc and foam will go up so fast! - one thing many people don't think about is fire safety. houses built to code (at least in australia) need to have certain flammability requirements.
In the US, I believe we only really have fire suppression requirements in place.
@@harrymu148 awesome, make your walls out of diesel and just have co2 for supression I guess? :P anyway of course I'm being absurd, was just commenting on what I saw as a serious risk if it was a dwelling. sometimes the code isn't enough. there might be a gap in the market for something that meets higher standards. could be a real selling point even as a second 'premium' product line
@@benphilippi9325 I need to point out that i gave no argument, i simply gave a fact local to the video.
@@harrymu148 absolutely, sad we all have to automatically assume people are trying to argue rather than discuss (even then in text it may seem I'm sniping at you but definitely not) I understand your intent. I would ask your opinion on that fact. my personal opinion is that safety is a process, tragedies happen and a known evident risk should be eliminated where possible. Regulation is put in place to even the playing field so ALL companies must adhere to the same standards. In my opinion regardless of country, we should all strive to be the best we can.
in my country basements are illegal without being individually engineered because of safety regulations so I understand that pendulum can swing wayyy too far in the wrong direction but reasonable improvements should be welcomed in my opinion.
How about the doors? They are obviously extreme resilient. But only when closed from the outside. This means you will easily get locked in and would need another solution for the inside
That's very niiiiiiiice
Ron knows what he talks about and builds it's said he gets a lot of hate from people online that think they know better or have no idea how much steel costs, welding and other. Containers are never really any good for putting under ground for a lot of reasons. You end up spending so much your better off to use ICF or something other than a container.
Has bunker flood top we’re buried is there other ways have air in cause happens
The problem with use of steel is it can rust and that rust is consuming the oxygen. Major problem
Maybe look into spray foam the outside then shotcrete with helix steel before burying it.
how would you do a double wide container?
Do you sell insulated containers and ship to the US?
Hi, instead of concrete with sand mix , you stipulate concrete and stone dust and rebar your encasement will be stronger and waterproof as sand is porous and stone is not such as ferrocement boats.
Can you do this for me in Florida?
You are forgetting one thing. A sacrificial anode connected to the container.
Great idea
Wonder if it would be easier to just bury a monolithic concrete dome?
Way easier
I believe Atlas actually used to do a service like that. at least there's a little image at the bottom of their pdf dialogue labelled "monolithic" You'd probably have to contact and ask Mr. Hubbard or the Atlassurvivalshelters company about it.
What movie is that damn break clip from? 5:17
The joke about the potato and chief was hilarious, and i approve.