Link trash piles in Yugioh.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
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Every yugioh deck is the same now, konami quit being lazy and make better more interesting archetypes, were tired of piles being the only way to play. im tired of decks like snake eye, dragon link, mathmech, rikka and others
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Links were cool during the vrains erra where almost every link monster’s effect had to do with something involving arrows, co-link, u-link, main monster zone vs extra monster zone, shit like that. Knightmares were all co link effects, sky striker cards only worked if the main monster zones were empty, code talkers were all about the arrows. Remember the card Voltester? What a cool effect based on the arrows. When was the last time the word “co-link” even appeared in a card text? 2020? Now that the TV show is over, all that spice and flavor links had is gone and it’s basically just synchro monsters but levels and tuners don’t matter.
Spot on bro. Like legit, agree with every word. No creative left. So here’s a deck that has unique gimmicks and ends on baronne, apo, savage. Yay
There are still some instances of that, like zealanthys having a bonus effect for co-linked monsters, or charmers having to summon to their arrow. But overall yes, I wish they kept this design type more for links
Snake eyes gotta be one of the most soulless decks of all time. They’re just link material into generic boss monsters
Hundred percent, deck was made by an AI
@@TheDuelingBeard The sad thing is that deck is genuinely fun if you play it linkless. Terrible, but fun. It is hilarious to totally screw up a pend player's day by using the snake eyes trap to block off their pend zones
@@TheDuelingBeard LITERALLY THIS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH BRO LOOK AT POPLAR SPDOAPDOASPODASODAOP I SWEAR IT ***MUST*** HAVE BEEN MADE BY AI
I think the problem isn't just Link monsters but whoever is designing cards at Konami they don't balance there's newer sets cards because they only think on selling broken cards so people have to buy to play and keep up.
look at Snake Eye or Kashtira or even the Ishizu cards they don't have slightest restrictions on them, just sell products and ban or nerf them later, so pay now and lose profit later
Exactly
For sure, the problem is that they kinda stopped the nerfing, they lightly tap all these decks and then the moment new generic stuff comes out that deck goes crazy and starts making the yoinky sploinky and goes off.
Dragon link gets hit 37 times and then they release bystial and boom the deck is insane again and hast to be hit AGAIN.
Same for plants, same for fiends with the yubel support.
Konami could fix this game just by locking deck builds to their archetype. No more "engine" splashing. There are plenty of generic type/attribute search cards and generic negate cards in the card pool that you dont need a secondary archetype engine to extend your plays. Id also lock up the extra deck to the archtype / one type only. It'll make people commit to a playstyle and diversify end boards.
They obviously dont play test jack shit anymore. They clearly design archetypes to be played in a pure form and dont ever think about engine spam. Id be nice if they finally committed to the bit or made some new rules . Id take anything at this point, im so bored with this game. Its been the same rules for years now.
Yes sadly, the mismanagement of the game is glaring. They’re going to push the player base away and that game will die sadly
Or just more restrictions. I don't see any reason why Poplar doesn't lock you into fire monsters. It has 3 beneficial effects. It should at least come with a small drawback.
@@kurosan0079 Thats what it should have did. but now its too late. cards like that made me want an archetype lock. Its easier to implement and not have to errata a ton of cards. then poplar can do what ever it wants because you cant go crazy with it.
Konami found the magic formula : make an overpowered deck , people buy it , ban half its cards , drop a new deck , people buy the new deck because the old deck can't be used now . Rinse and repeat . Every year a new tier 0 deck so people always buy new decks
Exactly, I just want to know why Yugioh players hate their money 😂
@@TheDuelingBeard with all due respect , playing a children's cards game , doesn't exude a high level of intelligence . Most of us are just losers and the only way we can feel good is to obliterate a cyber dragon child deck user with our last of the line tier 0 baronne generator
I think links break fundamentally the game. For every other mechanic you need certain specific thing. Fusion? Fusion spell
Synchro? Tuners
XYZ? 2 monsters of the same level
Pendulum? ... Are pendulums...
But there's almost nothing to restrict link monsters other than their own requirements and lately they've been 2+ effect monsters / monsters with different names
Exactly, like bro the two different names one is hilarious, it almost never comes up that you want to use two of the same monster to make those and if it did, it def isn’t the problem here
Pendulums had the single most dominant format of all the eras of Yugioh. Monkeyboard FTK had statistically no dead hands whatsoever for a reliable FTK. The game certainly wasn't healthy then.
The difference with Links is that they're just another form of summoning that has a resource cost, while Pends are a form of summoning in itself. Set scales and dump your hand was the norm just before MR4, until other decks could compete with the sheer card advantage that Pendulums offered innately.
Generic Link cards aren't bad inherently, but when they dominate a deck with generic boss monsters like Apollusa and Accesscode, and other pieces like I:P and Promethean Princess, it's negative for the game.
The Charmers are a great example of links being designed well to be generic without breaking the game, as are Cross-sheep, Geonator Transverser, Avramax and Underworld Goddess. Every deck can play them, but their effect isn't an immediate +1 or more in advantage like Isolde, Verte Anaconda, Knightmare Goblin, and so on. Having meaningful restrictions and resource investment is good, crap like Baronne and Chaos Angel isn't.
Realistically a lot of these boss monsters and generic pieces need to have more Xeno-locks involved and summoning conditions that are actually worthwhile instead of '2+ effect monsters'.
A lot of the complaints about modern links can also apply to modern synchros: too many generic summoning conditions without meaningful restrictions so they can't just be splashed into any deck. Look at Baronne, a card that SHOULD require Fleur Synchron like it's predecessor, Chevalier De Fleur, but instead is a generic level 10 in a format where an entire archetype exists to spam out level 6 monsters as graveyard hate. Chengying, Chaos Angel, Borreload Savage Dragon, Chaos Ruler are all cards that have been dominant in synchro-heavy formats while being extreme generic and powerful boss monsters.
It's not a problem with Links, but the overwhelmingly generic card design that offers extenders and boss monsters that are often better than what can be done natively in an Archetype or strategy.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but Konami has been busting Fusion summons over the years since ARC-V, and Synchros are in my opinion the second most splashable summon mechanic, they're still "fairer" than links but after Pendulum nerf them quickly They are the second most annoying summons in this game purely because of their spam, sometimes I find myself wondering if synchros would be as strong today as if they had the XYZ monsters restriction of not using Tokens.
Couldn't agree more. However, remember that Komoney makes tier 0 shit bcs people keep buying so if we need someone to blame - blame the meta sheeple who keep throwing money at them.
Agreed 100 percent. I have the capacity to buy this deck easily, I just don’t want to on principle. If I play someone and my deck is miles better, it doesn’t even feel fun.
Rise up, no more buying cars over 20 bucks! 😂
Let’s be honest here. If the snake eyes cards locked you into only being able to special summon fire monsters for the rest of the turn, they wouldn’t be nearly as annoying as they wouldn’t have access to the most powerful generic boss monsters like barrone, apo, savage etc.
100 percent. That’s why I made this video, and previous videos like the genericness in Yugioh. These limitations being removed are insane. And they do it for money.
I watched a Yubel deck building video and got mad when most of the Extra Deck were Link Monsters. Hardly any of them really fit the theme of the archetype and I’d rather Yubel herself to serve as the strongest boss monster in the deck.
Same bro, like I don’t mind a little splash but when yubel is just an engine then it’s stupid, the game has lost its way
Link monsters are Synchros without the level requirement, XYZs without material, or a ritual with no spell requirement. It's the summon mechanic with the least restrictions. Links could be balanced out if they stopped making them one card starters and generic boss monsters. Most link decks just spam card advantage anyway. The link monsters are just the strongest option once you fill your board because most of them are generic.
Bro was spitting until he brought up dragon link and plants.
The rokket engine and the sunavalon engine are specifically meant to link summon. They are link archetypes. And anime decks at that.
Plus they dont fit his point anyway because those decks DO lock you. Thats why dragon link only plays dragons, and the deck even locks itself sometimes because its a chaos deck that can lock itself into only darks.
Your point is fair but the problem with the rokket and sunavalon engines is that they are like 6-7 cards each in a deck composed of other mish mash. Also getting locked into dragons is hardly a restriction, most OP type of all time. But hey we can agree to disagree, I’m glad you like the rest of the video 😎
@@TheDuelingBeard you say that, but with savage dragon banned (because of snake eye btw not dragon link) the deck is pretty much dead. And savage dragon is an IN archetype boss for rokkets.
Also you say its a “mash” but the heart of dragonlink has always been the rokket monsters and chaos monsters. Of you consider chaos to be an archetype, then the deck is comprised primarily of two archetypes, and in reality its mostly a chaos deck fully because the Rokkets are darks.
Yes in the past different small suppliments have been tried like dragonmaid cards, red eyes cards, etc. but it always mostly been chaos rokkets.
1 Normal summon per turn. 5 SS's per turn. Then increase special summon limit by 1 per turn. Master Rule 69
Konami will just make a tier zero deck that summons with one card two big insane monsters that can’t be interacted with that can each negate 3 times a turn.
I love the name though 😂
Special summon should be name extra summon
Why do I absolutely love this. Especially because it isn't a hard cap. Increasing by one each turn, I'd assume for both players, not only incentivises more turns, but the fact that it isn't a hard cap for the entire game seems fun, and it would help improve going Second since they'd then get 6 special Summons. It might have to like not include tokens tho cause Dual Avatsr wouldn't work with this rule change.
Every other summoning mechanic had some restriction(s), fusions had you (for the most part) use a fusion spell, meaning that you needed to risk it being negated or ashed, synchros needed yoy to have 2+ monster on the board (1 or more needing to be a tuner) with levels that added exactly to to the monster you want to bring out, and xyz needing 2 monsters with the same level (in most cases) to xyz into, both xyz and synchro were susceptible to things, plus you needed to run some sort of theme, if it be levels, fusion materials, or tuners and non tuners. Links font need any of that, with most being relatively generic.
Exactly, links you just plop whatever together and keep it moving
I do think synchros are becoming very link like now too, little commitment fir crazy power
Ie baronne
@@TheDuelingBeard synchros to me have always been a bit odd, they are essentially fusions but with little to no consequence/risk, I wish for stuff like barrone or savage dragon they were required to use in archtype tuners/non-tuners as material, I feel if barrone got that errata to use a fleur tuner or non tuner as material it would be a little less busted with how generic it is.
The link mechanic proves that cards don't have to have a bunch of negates or floodgate the opponent to be a problem. As far as negates go, the only generic one is Apollousa (Pitknight Earlie too I guess but that one is a bit of a stretch, no one uses Tri-Gate Wizard). The only floodgate I can think of is Knightmare Gryphon too and that one is not a huge deal right now. It really is just the insane amount of extension that's the issue because they'll get you into the stuff that actually has the broken effects more easily.
Exactly, and another thing, them just allowing you to proc so many “if this card is sent to grave” effects causes so many issues along with all their other crap
every new archetype feels like a reskin of the main deck, they don't even bother giving them extra deck anymore. but imagine copying a deck for 1000k and still lose.
Facts! & haha that’s a fair point, Yugioh tier zero formats are definition pay to win, even more so than normal
@@TheDuelingBeard I played some MD yesterday, and I decided to quit yugioh ... again lol, I'm probably just taking a long break. {my opponent was playing punk but guess what they can also start a gold pride combo, but then they decide to summon a new xyz from my favorite archetype Sharks, guess what: new support was generic}, but that's just a rogue deck. I just feel numb about games now, even when you go first winning doesn't feel good anymore cause I understand that I only won cause my opponent could not play a thing, not because of a strategy, but because I negated all his cards. (some duels still feel good, but just cause we both don't be playing some over-try-hard stuff). even rogue decks can summon 4 negates and a pop these days, they just need to go first, everything being generic contributes to this build a board factor. I found out that going first or second in many other card games does not influence the result dramatically. this is a just pet peeve of mine but S:P little knight should have been an s-force only card, I guess they have decided to make it generic, then they just owned up to it and didn't make it s-force support just by name thing, guess that's the future of yugioh
and that is why i levitate towards deck that don't rely on their extra deck. like Eldlich, Altergeist, Labrynith, ect. yes all of those deck have one very annoying thing in common though. they are mostly piling floodgates and hand traps if not being Extra deck happy.
sucks that synchros will almost always be relegated to link spam just because of how they work
100 percent!
This is one of the best yugioh takes I've seen in a longgggg time.
Appreciate that! 😎💪🏻
It's clear that Pile decks are the future.
The Raika archetype supports Insect, Plant and Reptile. Psychic Processor does the same but with Cyberse, Machine and Psychic.
Fiendsmith can play Light/Fiends like Fabled and Magical Musket.
And Hell will freeze over before Konami changes.
Sadly you’re right, it is what it is, the raika/tribrigade style isn’t the worst as long as they can’t make every generic under the sun, as long as they’re locked to their three native types then it’s fine, tri brigade never felt broken
yugioh has become a sandbox combo game, and it's so fucking fun. it makes labbing so fun in this game
Bro and I don’t even hate this, I just don’t want to stare down an ftk every time. There’s a place for this but what they’re doing is cursed
I've always thought that if a link monster was going to be a piece of an end board, it should be for a specific archetype. generic link utility? Maybe, depends on how powerful, I think cross sheep should be about as strong as a generic link 2 can be (not the link 1 that searches the field spell that adds the normal summon), and should make some sense (not promethian princess), and if it is going to be strong, it should be xenophobic to a specific archetype.
If we took all the generic link monsters away from snake eyes and every other deck, I firmly beleive that snake eyes wouldn't be that good, you could maybe make 2 synchro's with jet and set 1-2 monsters as spell and traps, but having a bunch of random dudes on the board that you can't just turn into 4 negates/accesscode would slow down the deck significantly.
And looking at the new(er) cards konami has released, like fiendsmith for example, it doesn't look like they're slowing down any time soon. Even the main deck cards are starting to get generic with what they can search. The best card in the deck is undoubtedly fiendsmith engraver, the second best? Requiem or moon of the closed sky, in my opinion. Why? Well it's because it allows any 2 idiots to get you to full fiendsmith combo. Uhm, hello konami? Did we not learn this lesson already? This is just knightmare mermaid 2.0. practically the same card that is banned. My problem with the fiendsmith cards isn't really the fiendsmith cards, most pro's don't have a problem with them in how they interract with your opponent. Its the broken ass extra deck monsters surrounding them that do everything in the universe for the deck and that komoney refuses to take behind the shed, which they should've done YEARS AGO or should've never made in the first place. I'm talking beatrice, promethian, apollousa, accesscode, SP little knight.
I gotten into playing orcust, a link deck, because it has a fairly tight resource loop, works well with the bystial cards (another archetype I like) and is what a good graveyard machine deck looks like (I'm looking at you earth machines). I had 2 version of the deck, one I'd like to call "pre SP and accescode" and another I'd call "Is this even orcust anymore?". The long and the short of it, after jamming in the broken link monsters (and borreload furious dragon) the deck that I thought "had some cool unique interraction points with boss monsters that were unique and strong in someways but weren't completely overwhelming" turned into the same link slop with the same interraction points every other deck is using. What's the game plan? "Oh I'm going to make dingirsu, then make IP, then I'm going to summon him back on my opponent's turn and make SP!" or "Set up negate city with borreload and dis pater!" and if I'm going second? "Summon Longirsu/SP into accesscode and OTK them!" wow, what cool orcust cards I used to win the game there.
XYZ was the peak of Yugioh extra deck design. Fusion really only works with massive support, synchro is overly spammy. Pendulums has always been cancer and Link is obnoxiously generic.
Agree 100% I always like xyz the most, fusions were cool because of nostalgia, didn’t even like them much until branded (and that’s less to do with the fusions and more to do with it being locked to fusions making the deck fair)
& agree with everything you said
Y'all thoughts on Pure Fur Hire (including Helmer) and their boss Folgo and, by some extent, Donner.
Overall I like them, they’re just a victim of being a worse archetype on release so they would give it periodic support until it was good, and since the levels are all over the place the support has to either be link or fusion. That being said I don’t hate all links, some are very nice in their archetypes, I just wish that spright wasn’t a thing so that fur hire, spright, Runick wasn’t a thing since that deck is kinda gross. Great question btw
@@TheDuelingBeard Thx 👍. You honestly did nail how it feels to be a fan of this since release 🥲.
This is why i like decks like Stardust Synchro, HERO, Sky Striker, raidraptor, and Red Dragon Archfiend. They all support an all in archetype strategy that sometimes could use generic links but would rather stick to in archetype boss monsters.
Exactly, I want the game to be about themes not generic piles that all look alike
As a forever hater of links, I honestly love the snake eyes cards. It upsets me when a cool deck like this that poses a cool main deck boss just spits out generic extra deck monster after generic extra deck monster. If they banned every link in the game and every Savage/barron esque synchro that may as well be a link i wouldn't be too upset
The unintended side effect of this crazy genericness, good point!
Raidraptors have been sneaking into the top cut of events because of their inherent abiliy to now put two massive towers monsters on board with multiple negates, boardwipes, and lockouts depending on the strategy. Making an endboard that is entirely Raidraptor names is possible, even if Phantom Knights, XYZ Dragon and Kali Yuga make guest appearances.
As much as I like to say links are the biggest part of the generic pile problem, Synchros don't get off scot-free. Both have the same issue of generic materials with little to no summoning restrictions, and Snake-eyes is an engine so strong that it can be played as a main deck with impunity.
If you errata every Archetype-named link monster to either lock you to the attribute or type of their archetype, or require monsters of their Archetype, type or attribute for their link materials... Well, the game would suddenly become a lot healthier.
100%
The fact that a deck can do all that and isn’t the best deck shows how crazy the game has gotten.
I really like that last point
Firstly yeah, I'm going to say full power tear or even kash is stronger then snake-eyes when it comes to full power, Snake-eyes problem is how generic it is, you can technically mash it with any deck and links only add to that generisim (did I just invent a word lol), the game feels like it is becoming more generic. I have no problem with links being generic extenders but their has to be a cost to it, even cards like S:P for example are way too overtuned and are basically forced into decks along with big finishers like Accesscode. It felt like when links were originally made they had some of this, low attack values with no option for defense, generic effects or effects with some type of cost like discarding, or a very specific effect that was ether had a strong lock or had a crazy setup or cost requirement.
Yea links originally weren’t too bad, like you said low attack and no option for defense but crap like SP and princess are horrible, absolute overturned money grabs
I like that you mentioned decks like Swordsoul and Branded feel closer to toolboxes and i really do miss that with decks. In defense of links though, i will say that it's been great for legacy support. Instead of having to retool and entire archetype or print 10 new cards, a few main deck ones and a new link elevate the power level in a way that might be harder for the specifics of a synchro, xyz or fusion😊
Good point! I have a love hate with links, there’s the point you made and then there’s the other links that Konami makes that break the game. They can never chill out, for every Yama we get, we get a princess/sp/apo etc..
The generic link cards get worst when the Fiend smith cards comes in July with infinite forbidden.
I’m making a video next week where I mention those. If there’s no banlist before Info, we’re screwed 😂
The last pile deck that was kinda cool (besides winda) imo was the invoked eldlich dogmatika shaddoll type beat that was around couple years ago. The whole argument is completely put into perspective when you consider that it would still be playable at full power but people just dont, i wonder why. Possibly because the new stuff is just *that* powercrept
Agreed, I have the deck and it’s quite fun outside the winda lock but no one plays it since every deck now runs 15 hand traps and that deck only has 2-3 plays in a turn so it’s easy to stop
On the subject of BA. They work really well with goblins when you use Cherub and stuff. Its great
and where does the problem come from? Cherubini, the link. Of course. *No limitations*
can be splashed into ANY deck that makes level 3s for a free foolish which is simply dumb. It enables stuff that shouldn't work normally, but it does because Cherubini is there and easy to make and so on...
@elite_m97 oh I agree. It's kind of insane when it dawned on me I made a level/rank 3 trash pile since you can end on Cherub. I:p. Goblin Rank 3 and a armored xyz with the goblin negate trap and the Armor trap in grave. Both allow you to eat monster guards. I:P can lead to Apo and Underworld goddess.
I just hope they made a less generic support (or at least make a generic support that NOT to be a part of endboard pieces) so they can't really do a things like spamming apo + baronne + IP AND hopefully they just banned all of those card (i know it's almost impossible but yeah). By doing that, i think we will see less pile decks being played and more on archtype-based deck likes branded for example. Anyways good video, Trif XD
Agree with all your points & hahaha that’s my cousin 🤣🤣
The problem with links is that they basically lack any gimmick because a good chunk of them don't even use the arrows (also they basically killed pends).
Because you really only have 3 types of links:
- Weak generics that you will ever slot in only if you try a U-Link
- Archetype links that usually aren't boss monsters
- Generic links with actually good effects.
At lest you need a deck with the right Monsters to summon a Baronne or ending your board with a XYZ like Gallant Granite. With generic links you just need you just need something that vomits a board.
And for a conclusion, decks with limitations like flower cardians would go nuts if they could have generic links
Agreed
& bro exactly, I forgot about them, with the way they spam they would be crazy, but I like them the way they are, they’re cool, have their own gimmick and Konami can at any time just release a circular type support card for them and make them competitive, you don’t need every deck to be a pile for it to be good
The lack of true limitation on modern decks scares me.
Me too, this is going to get wild soon if they continue like this
If we trace a genealogy probably the first modern deck to establish the extra deck link pile was Adamancipator alongside Phantom Knights. They both made the question: what if instead of making a boss monster of my archetype I just use the materials for something else? I have no real restriction and all my cards grant me more bodies on the field.
As soon as Halqifibrax came out people realized you don't need an specific archetype to make link spam decks and the any body + a tuna meme became a thing.
All the synchro enablers from before became just link pieces, the best way to play the old synchro decks became judt link spam and thats what gave birth to Manadium.
Great points 👏🏻 that’s why I have so much disdain for link vrains, and Konami knew those cards were problematic, that’s why they took so long to release in tcg
I think its safe to say that regardless of player consensus konami wants to print generic cards so every player could buy into them. The more generic the utility/boss card is, the wider the net of players will buy the single or box. Personally, if you looks at the super early days of links there were supposed reports from OTS stores losing out on large swathes of players because it nerfed their decks too much. This put konami in an awkward situatuon to print op links out the wazoo (golbli tn, sorceress, union carrier, link cross etc.), and i think this creates a strong reluctance for konami to slow the game down cuz they dont want to repeat another mr4 event, but also realising that because they know practically every deck that doesnt have the harshest xenphobia wants to tap into a generic pool, means that they want to make overtuned "generic pool support" because those kinds of cards would almost always make more sales than a deck that wont be as capable in tapping into that.
Exactly their problem is that they fix their problems by making stuff that creates tension new problems. Like bro just do a big banlist, reset the game and then we restart. Everyone would want that, and if not make a second format and keep advanced where people can ftk each other every game
Marincess is a Link Pile deck, but it's a cool Link Pile deck because it locks itself into water and mostly link climbs through it's own in archetype monsters. I am Blue Tang's strongest soldier 👌 Though I do have to dock it a few points for being a waifu archetype.
Haha fair enough, yea marinecess is fine, since it was made in the link era and designed to work with link and doesn’t use generics from what I know which is the biggest problem
I feel like Links need to be toned down significantly, primarily generic links, most strong links that only help an archetype are fine and should be locked into thier respective archetype or monster type (i.e. Double Dragon Lords, Shuraig, Unchained Yema, etc.)
Agreed, either tone down the effects or make the materials specific, like Yama should have an unchained monster required for his summon
Madolche Fresh Sistart is one of the few fair links
Madolche overall is one of the best designed decks of all time.
@@TheDuelingBeard The way everything works proofs that there are people who know good game design working at Konami
Is a pure simorgh with a few generic lockdown and protection cards with 3 of the same link monster a trash pile?
The monster is a link 3 that gains 2400atk if your opponent has no monsters in the grave.
It also shuffles a monster in their grave to the deck
It's hraesvelgr the desperate doom eagle
I would say no, simporgh is fine without barrier statue.
Desperately doom eagle is very well designed imo
@@TheDuelingBeardngl I'm pissed that those ugly ass floow players abused our link monster and got it banned.
Floow players kill everything they touch because they don't know how to act
Shit like this is why I prefer to call modern Mathmech what it actually is, Cyberse-pile. It's not like they're ending on final sigma, just the generic Cyberse bosses, terrahertz, accesscode, etc.
Exactly!
i think a distinction should be made for engine pieces that are links, and bosses that are links , i think links doing their job of being modular tools accessible to most decks is fine
I agree for the most part, genuinely, if we removed the degen three in apo, sp and ip and then baronne then we’re balling
@TheDuelingBeard i agree mostly except for IP, she gives flexibility and turn 2 interactions where there could be none, sure going into unicorn (assuming S:P is out of the picture) is the best target but i think 1 targetting removal is fine for what it can give
I for one use it to pivot through different game plans in my toolbox deck and dodge some removal
I dont play anything meta and i find that ip served me and my casual playstyle a lot more than it served meta decks (hence it's not really abused)
It's a useful tool snd will be used but i dont think it's terribly overpowered or toxic
S:P on the other hand has 1 function, she allows no diversity. All she does is the banish hanky panky and gets mad advantage by negging the opponent so i can agree with you there but you can see how they're different
I feel like harping on Rikka, Unchained, Plants, and Dragonlink is a bit unfair since they actually lock you into your type. Links themselves arent a problem, it's when they're generic and don't lock. Also, another non-linkspam good deck: Raidraptor!
Fair, I think that all the good ones are pretty generic though. Also links break the game in ways you couldn’t before! Just try playing any modern deck with no links, it’s night and day
@@TheDuelingBeard
Oh absolutely, links are strong. I just wish they actually considered co-links and arrows again, since they basically don't matter when most decks only have 1, maybe 2 links on board at any given time.
Your admiration of XYZ is appreciated, as I also love XYZ and think it's by far the most interesting and fair summoning type out of the ED. Thinking about it in the way of "Baronne, one of the best extra deck bosses of all time, needs 10 levels worth of monsters, split any way as long as one of them is a tuner" meanwhile, a XYZ 10 like the new rank 10 wyrm omni is "20 levels worth of monsters, split EXACTLY 10/10, and my effect doesn't work if I don't have materials. And I'm still a worse monster because my pops aren't free." Not to mention that Savage Dragon exists, for the low low cost of using the best ED summon in the game (a link) before you make him. In reward for the incredibly hard task of getting one tuner 4 and one non-tuner 4, you get multiple omni negates plus a bigger than 3k monster. What do you get if you overlay those 4s? Oh, most of the time just a searcher. Granted, there are good 4s like Exciton Knight or Abyss Dweller, but let's be real, if you had your endboard choice between one Abyss Dweller or one Borreload Savage, I know what you're picking.
@josefl.2053 bro I agree one hundred percent, and that’s a really good way of looking at it. The new card needs more “stuff” and it’s still worse..
The only thing I'll say is that Chaos Angel is not generic. It requires a light and/or dark (you really want a light and a dark for the full power), so not every deck can run it. Only decks using chaos concepts can really make the most out of Chaos Angel.
I run Snake Eye Fire King with Hope Harbinger and Apollousa lines, so there's definitely a lot of truth to what you're saying.
Appreciate the nuanced comment. Yea chaos angel is interesting and feels like a link because it doesn’t need a tuner but yea using a light and dark is nice nice.
In our discord format, we removed the insane negate monsters from the game, and decks become a lot more reasonable, they have resources and can play through a lot but the end boards are meager. I genuinely think the generic extra deck monsters (especially links) are the reason we’re in this mess.
These are the reasons for why I have switched back to MTG. Less convoluted less complicated and honestly way Māori fun
Fair enough, always nice to have a different game to fall back on
It's so cursed seeing a Mannadium list with no Synchros except the ones for the one card lol. They would need to fundamentally change their design philosophy to get rid of links, and I don't know if I hate them as much as you do. If snake eyes couldn't grab jet to make Baronne/Savage, I don't think their end board is all that scary. Apollousa ban and an errata to original to make it only grab snake eyes level 1s I think solves the issue with their end board. Without jet synchron, the ceiling of the deck is just so much lower. There was once a time where just punching over Apollousa was actually a way to out her, but with the layered protection an engine like snake eyes can put up you'll never be able to do that, so you basically lose 3-4 monster effects unless you drew a breaker you can resolve like TTT or droplet. Ultimately, my issue with "piles", is the ceiling of a modern deck's end board is so high if you drew all engine you are 100% dead. I couldn't care less if bro made 10 links in a turn, it's the fact that I have to leave games where my opponent has combo and I drew no non-engine that is the issue to me.
Also, for Mannadium in particular, Konami just didn't design anything in the archetype to stay on board, and their heart boss monster is easily the worst of all the Visas lore decks by miles. Astraloud is a cool breaker, but other than that they made the deck an engine. Now, I like having generics (in theory), because it means less cards to buy/craft to play a new deck, and I personally like toolbox options for the extra deck. Having too many in archetype boss monsters (of which all the best ones will be URs) makes deck building loop back to being cookie cutter but for a totally different reason. I do think having more flavor extra deck boss monsters that you actually need X cards for should probably be made though, so that decks don't feel like advantage engines and actually have some different thing they do. I like PUNK with amazing dragon did a pretty good job of that. We should get more cards like that for sure so that it isn't always the usual suspects, but I think we should also get more generics so that it isn't just the same ones that people have to use to have a viable deck.
Spot on, great comment.
One thing I want to say is that, if the synchros weren’t available, they would pivot to fire king version which is like 10 interrupts when they full combo. But yea making oss just work for snake eye would be a great move
I never liked links. When I got back into the game and found out they locked extra deck behind links I hated it. At least they changed it. I still hate links
I still despise them
Of course there are way more links banned, they're the most recent mechanic. They're not out there keeping old ass fusions or synchros banned because the game has been powercrept. Recent garbage will be overall more powerful. Links do have the added issue of being more generic (fusions typically require archetype stuff, and xyz usually require specific enough materials that they won't be spammed). I'd argue synchros are just as bad, and that both mechanics have the same issue of "searching half the deck, vomiting it on field and making a huge obnoxious board". Though honestly links are way LESS obnoxious to deal with because at least they tend to have lower attack values and slightly weaker effects (because konami is under the impression that synchros are difficult to summon and therefore should be more powerful, while ignoring that they make synchro decks extremely consistent at comboing off).
Point is, the issue isn't necessarily links as a mechanic, but generic extra deck cards. The same way it's annoying to have to include 3 maxx c, 3 ash, 3 called by in master duel, it's also annoying to have to include a bunch of generic garbage on the extra deck. It also makes the game harder to balance, since if it's generic it's gonna have a broken interaction with something from 17 years ago that they could not see coming and balance properly.
Agreed! Synchros are just as bad.
And the hand trap issue is a whole nother problem, that’s just as severe. They literally made them because engine can’t break boards anymore and hasn’t been able to for years. Maxx c went from never being used on its release to being the definition of a god card
Dark magician benefits from chaos angel
It does, that’s one good byproduct of all of the garbage. Honestly I’m not against chaos angel, little overtuned but most decks can’t run it
i play links but yeah the last where arrows and positioning that make links complex is now thrown out of the window for the generic.
summon, special, special, special to a boss monster.
like the monsters who have special summon as an effect is an auto support card for the meta decks.
i never like playing meta coz im an addict to playing by archetype.
which konami should try to advertise coz atleast there wont be a tier zero when every archetype is counterable.
tho some are really op.
Agreed, playing rogue is much more interesting than meta tier zero trash, and the community agrees since attendance drops in tier zero formats
@@TheDuelingBeard link summoning had so much potential it broke the game and the anime they literally had to pull the reset switch on it and made a weird anime with their bootleg exodia cards.
its good tho but weird nonetheless.
links basically started a revolution on getting materials to the board along with other effects but they choose to go with "just focus on special summon"
it is more fun with rogue and even the masochist runs of players put a new enjoyment to the content.
the status of meta yugioh is fun anymore its just "cheese" and "sweat".
none of the players look like their having fun.
Bro, unchained is literally a link based strategy, of course they have more then 10 links.
Wait a sec, did I just see, that unchained does link summ using an opponent's monster as a LINK material?
They were and will remain a link strategy
Fun fact, altleast my unchained deck before DUNE was like 13 links+2 xyz monsters
For sure, unchained is reasonable my point was just that so many decks are now defaulting to all link lineups. Look at unchained yubel, you just use the yubel stuff to spam fiend links.
@@TheDuelingBeard it is what it is
generic link monsters and synchros are the biggest problem with yugioh. A lot of very powerful cards which would be fine if they were archetype or type specific. Branded was well designed because it had clear limits, you were locked into fusion monsters if you used branded fusion or branded opening. Snake eye cards specifically with three effects are also just too strong. I'm really against them being able to put their opponents monsters into their spell / trap zone as well. The deck can completely rebuild its entire board from the graveyard so you realistically have to be able to break their board twice in one turn which is absurd.
Spot on 👏🏻 couldn’t have said it better myself
I find it kind of funny how old school yugiboomers complain that the game "devolved" into archetypes and we can't make decks with random cards/themes yet the thing that they want, aka pile decks, are so spammable, generic, and stupid that the pendulum swung to the other side
Anyways in terms of the video ur completely right links have only become more and more busted as time went on and it's just......WTF?!?!
I hate that yugiboomer thought process. The more something is generic the more it’s a problem. Hence why links became a problem, because they’re too damn generic.
Tellarknights are also link pile right now
😂 we have failed as a society
Generic Link is fair, IF, we still use Master Rule 4. Because it helps non-Link deck to access their Extra Deck. But, it is bad when they remove the MR4 but still create a link with that mentality. Do you know other funny things? There are ±400 Link monsters in the game, but only ±30 Link monster use their arrow. While we compare it with Xyz. There are ±520 Xyz monsters in the game, and ±490 of them still need to detach material to use the effect (and I'm afraid now because more Xyz now do not need to detach material to use their effect)
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I think Link-1 is okay for a deck. Because 1 card starter is something common in the current condition. The problem is another generic link in the game. So, because we still have a generic link. Instead of playing with their own archetype optimally, they will summon the "better generic" link monsters. If the generic cards don't exist in the game or the restriction is more meaningful. I think this is good to give easy access for every deck to make an optimal play with their own archetype.
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Semi-generic is okay. I mean you can fill a 40-card deck with only 1 arctype. So, make it semi-generic, this means, the cards should tied with a Type or attribute, and also need a specific archetype name for the material. Let's take Battlewasp Beetrooper as an example. You can link Armor Horn with a Battlewasp and Beetrooper because both are insects and one of them is a Bee monster. I think this still gives room for "creativity" in the game. Because you know, most people who defend the generic stuff, usually use "creativity" as their argument.
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My favorite decks mostly is link link-based, but not the heavy combo ones. I enjoy playing with Evil Eye, Traptrix, Ancient Warrior, and S-Force (OMG, I REALLY LIKE THIS POLICE). I feel the Link gives simplicity to their gameplay.
I agree with almost everything you said 👏🏻 great comment, especially about the links and their arrow use and the xyz and how they’re slowly phasing out the detach
Zombies, rock, and chaos decks use disgusting piles. I like links when they are locked into the archtype. S-force is cool but not annoying. The issue is when Konami japan wants to break their own rules and make combo turbo cards. Honestly the negate and no restriction extra deck monsters just muck up the game flow.
100 percent bro! Spot on.
Seems like Konami has run out of creativity so they make every deck turbo links and level ten synchro
ay, chill on zombies, the deck has lots of zombie lock restrictions and can barely go into the extra deck. It's not that good and i don't think applies here. Hell, the only reason it's a pile is because every zombie archetype has historically sucked
NOWAY, someone mentions S-Force in a comment. I hope Konami creates a low-power format to make decks like them playable. New support is nice, but if it makes the deck become another generic pile of tools, I hate that. We can see some older decks with new support just ended with Generic stuff now. I like Unchained because I want to play with Unchained, not with DDD, Knightmare, S:P, or the Fairy Link.
I was with the video until you started talking shit about link plant.
Its mostly just the sunavalon engine with like 2-3 other bits and bobs, I dont think you can rightfully call it a trash link pile. Especially the rikka stuff does something very specific
I get that, glad we mostly agree. The problem with the plant deck is that it uses those links to functionally ftk going first
If it’s combo resolved it’s over
Awesome take DW 💪
Appreciate that brother 🙏🏻😎
Give my girls exosister more support they are are the opposite of piles ❤
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I think earth machine could be a pile deck but a based pile deck.
Agreed, it’s the one like that’s reasonable, since the inherent restrictions stop it from being bonkers
this all could have been avoided if the link culprits weren't waifu bait. replace IP and Apo's artwork with slime toad and the meta will clean itself
Hahaha genius 😂
I have said it at rhe start of mr4 Link monsters will ruin the game.
Nostradamus prediction. Some are great but the mechanic is broken
At this point, yugioh should just go back to before links and restart the game lol.
That would be the ideal, just ban all links as an alt format
Whoa whoa whoa Traptrix did nothing wrong
That’s what you think…
Jk, I think traptrix are super well designed, I was just making a point
Galaxy is playable and based.
Galaxy is based, just needs a few more consistency cards
Please sync your video and audio properly. It is INCREDIBLY disorienting when they arent synced properly.
Or just remove the face cam and just have your voice so theres no need to sync with your mouth movements
This is my style though
cry about it
Lol
Ah here we go again.That is just I quit game.😢Good luck you folks wich stayed.HF.
😂 yea the decision now is quit or pick up a new game(ew no chance)
this whole thing was a prime example of why i hatttteeee snake eyes. its not even skill at this point its dead ass just apam linking and using mechanics no other mfing deck can do its stupid.
Exactly, linking doesn’t even feel like Yugioh
Link monsters are Synchros without the level requirement, XYZs without material, or a ritual with no spell requirement. It's the summon mechanic with the least restrictions. Links could be balanced out if they stopped making them one card starters and generic boss monsters. Most link decks just spam card advantage anyway. The link monsters are just the strongest option once you fill your board because most of them are generic.
Exactly. And with how every deck has pivoted to being an advantage engine, links have become a hand in glove fit.