This is one of the biggest scandals in modern Sweden. They wanted a Swedish serial killer so they came up with one, not only destroying Thomas’ life but also helping the real killers get away. Thank you for this video! 🇸🇪
- it is a fascinating story, not because of Quick - because he was an asshole, but because of all the authorities (Remember we are talking about a lot of people with authority, perhaps hundreds.) - from judges, lawyers, police investigators , psychiatry, witness experts to journalists and the Public Opinion who were convinced he was a genuine serial killer. We are talking about a mass groupe thinking (remember almost the entire population of Sweden 10 million, not to mention the neighboring countries) and the clearest example of how confirmation bias works. All of the authorities - wanted - him to be a serial killer, when anyone disagreed they were labeled stupid, ill informed or they just haven't read (the confirmation bias) the things the authorities had read. The biggest crook is obviously psychiatry with all its woo woo, also supported by police investigators, "witness experts" and eventually by Judges. A few brave souls like Hannes Råstam and Leif GW Persson said all along this is a case of a mythoman, a Pathological liar. Now what is really needed is for someone to put subtitles on Hannes Råstam`s documentary "Thomas Quick". The biggest problem however is that no one with authority - as far as i know - has ever been held accountable. One of them are still teaching his students Quick is a serial killer and everyone else is wrong. As your neighbor to the west, we have also had several cases of wrongful convictions, nothing as big as Quick - yet - but we are still waiting for the outcome of a terrible case of child rape and killings (Baneheia drapene) - two small girls where raped and killed - where one accused person may have spend 21 years in prison for something he did not do. The mechanisms seems chillingly similar to that of the Quick case.
Thomas probably never killed anyone, but he still molested a bunch of little boys, so he should still be locked up, in my opinion, as he ruined the life of the boys. Still agree with you on that it was awfull that the real killers got away though.
It definitely helps to be financially motivated and I sincerely hope that the checks are in the category of incentives for sure by now that is one of the best side effects of all the time invested 👍 😀 enjoy every benefit good sir. Side note, Dr Grande, thank you. You're what I binged to during some of my hardest times to educate myself about mental illness and get some understanding about what I was experiencing at the time. I am a fan for life.
@@T.d0T. I am a graduate student, obtaining my degree in clinical mental health, @ Oklahoma University in December. My professor's use Dr. Grande videos for instructive purposes.
I remember when he was claiming that he had killed a Norwegian girl called Therese, who disappeared in 1988. She's never been found. He was found guilty of killing her, something that really upset Therese's mom, seeing as she never believed he had anything to do with her daughter's disappearance.
@@caninecurry5823 He died many years ago. The murders he confessed to were cold cases, so the killers had basically gotten away with it already. He's the Scandinavian version of Ottis Tool and Henry Lee Lucas in the US: Having a ball and getting attention while they "confessed" to just about every unsolved murder of women in the country. The police ate it all up, even confessions to murders that they knew that the two could not possibly have committed. Lots of investigations of murder cases were halted because of people like Quick, Tool and Lucas and many others then, and police forces desperate to get closure on their cold cases - all over the world. All these cold cases have been reopened, and most of them are just as cold as they were before these confessions. It has happened since then too, albeit to a lesser extent, and it will happen again in the future. Repressed memory was a psychologist fad all over the world back then. I actually think it started in the US. Or at least it was enormously popular there. It's easy to pass judgment after the fact, because as we know: Hindsight is always 20/20.
The system took advantage of him? Totally disagree! He got his own office and computer and restaurant meals and furlough days in leave while confessing to being a serial murderer! HE took advantage of the system! He made fools of everyone!
@@christinabernat6709 There are lunatics who will do anything in this world. So we ought to have a system that can withstand that. But somehow these clowns, in powerful positions, played along with this frivolous case. Makes me wonder who the real lunatics are that should be locked inside a psych ward.
The system took advantage of him, and he took advantage of the system. The police wanted to close cases, and he wanted attention. The real victims are the families of the dead or presumed so.
All of the red flags...guessing at weapons, no specific preferences, and the cherry on top: mental health professionals using the old "repressed memories" line. This was a very interesting case, Dr Grande! One I've never heard of before now.
Yes! I grew up thinking he was the number one Swedish serial killer. He was guilty of it all. Everybody knew about him. It was shocking when the truth came out. There's another somewhat similar case in Sweden where two boys were coached to "remember" killing a 4-year-old in their neighbourhood. They never really remembered but had to accept that they had suppressed it. They were completely innocent.
@@thatsalt1560 This is a very strange case. Since his many convictions were overturned, did the authorities ever find out who really murdered these people? So sad for the families, thinking their loved one's case was solved, only to find out they weren't.
@@thatsalt1560 I have an off topic question, with the lockdown I’ve been cooking a lot. I made Swedish cardamon buns, super tasty. Are cinnamon buns the same?
@@seferinorino6951 I am not the person you asked the question to but I am Swedish. Maybe I can help! The buns are exactly the same except you change the cinnamon to cardamon when ever you like. One or the other.
@@LDiamondz All the cases remain unsolved that Bergwall confessed to, as far as I know. As soon as he "woke up" from his benzodiazepine "haze" he realized that he'll be in jail for ever and began challenging the rulings and from there it took like 7 years until he war aquitted anyway.
It's powerful when you provide statements about competence, such as when you explained that allowing for other opinions helps prevent bias and is a sign of professionalism, rather than a weakness.
This guy is good. He's a good example of careful, well-considered thought, his critical thinking skills are a good example for any viewer and especially for a society that is in desperate need of just such skills. Scott Baxter, M.D.
Thank you for going in to different cases around the world. Another one from Sweden is a case simply known as "the case Kevin" (fallet Kevin). It's where a 4 year old boy got killed in Arvika. Two brothers who were 5 and 7 at the time got accused of the murder from the police. But in later years video has shown how badly the investigation was in this case. It would be interesting to see your analysis of the investigation and how it can effect a person mentaly, when society thinks they have committed a murder.
Or the case of Christine Schürrer, the crazy German woman who out of jealousy bludgeoned two innocent toddlers to death with a hammer and nearly killed the mother (who would survive and would later be able to point her out as the murder). This heinous act, that was committed in Sweden, was perpertuated solely out of spite as Schürrer had previously been involved with the mother's boyfriend, who had later rejected her. Schürrer laughed during the police interrogations and made jokes completely inappropriate considering the gravity of the matter. (She was convicted despite the lack of physical evidence connecting her to the scene, thanks to an abundance of circumstantial evidence.) If you could provide an analysis of this case, of this chilling female psychopath and childkiller, Dr Grande, I would be forever grateful.
I'm always worried I might be framed for something I didn't do but here is the complete opposite! Thanks as always for the fascinating cases and breakdowns Dr. Grande!
Great video! This was a huge scandal here in Sweden. So many crazy things in this scandal, but the worst thing could be that those involved in getting Quick convicted (prosecutor, health care experts, a police officer), have kept on arguing that the conviction was correct. In Sweden the scandal is often described as the result of a combination of “group think” and pseudoscience.
It's rare that someone such as Thomas Quick, would want to be arrested as a serial killer. That was a dangerous game he played. Strange guy! Another excellent video! Thanks, Dr. Grande!
Watch the movie Quick that came out in 2019 i believe it was.. I highly recomend it if you want to know how it went down with the whole confessions and the journalist who blew the story about it
He also got medication prescribed. And promised more Benzo if he kept making confessions. The justice system was not interested in solving the murders. Just getting a conviction.
Not really. If you are going to be locked up for probably the rest of your life, you may as well go hard, be the biggest you can, be famous. People do lie, and he got great treatment, one thing led to another
I am currently in the middle of watching your upload from yesterday and I just a notification that you uploaded this. More to watch after I finished yesterday's video :-) You're such prolific uploader - thanks for all your work in recording and editing these videos, Dr. Grande!
This entire video was just incredible, but the closing was absolutely brilliant! As I've said before, your work ethic and the level of insightful and intelligent content you provide us with is incomparable, and incredibly appreciated! ♡♡ When and if you do take a very over due vacation, we'll all cheer for you!🍹🌞
Thank you for this video. It shows that Thomas Quick was mistreated in many ways by many "profesionals". As a swede that have heard a lot about him, it feels good to know that the truth was revealed at last.
Did they ever find out who really murdered all those people? So sad for the families, believing their loved one's murder was solved. The police did a terrible injustice to the victims.
@@LDiamondz No. In all but two cases that led to conviction, the statute of limitations has expired. Nowadays, there's no statute of limitations on murder in Sweden. This new law only applies to those two cases. So unfortunately, most of the families will never have that closure.
@@Flygsand Oh, how terrible that must be for the families, and the entire country, as well. They might have solved all the murders, had they not concentrated on this one man. Very sad. I'm glad there's no statute of limitations for murder, now. So, this doesn't happen again. Thanks for letting me know.
This was such a scandal. Imagine the families of the victims and then all the actual murderers who were never caught because Quick was assumed to have done it.
This was an interesting case. It's a bit disheartening to know that the criminal justice system/police can be as incompetent in other countries, as our own. The mental health professionals, in this case, were even worse. I'm glad you talked about that, as well. Bias is definitely not something a mental health professional should have. Thank you for another great video, Dr.Grande. Appreciate all the effort you put in for us. Is that another new cactus on the floor? And the lamp is back, too. 🤗 Love what you've done to the place. Again! Keep up the great work, you're becoming a legend all over the world. You deserve it... ❤❤
"The police consider confessions the best evidence" Yes, but not for finding the guilty. It's the best "evidence" to convince a jury to convict. That's part of the problem. Like Dr. Grande points out, multiple sources of evidence should be correlated to find the truth if one is seeking truth rather than just a conviction of a particular individual.
We dont have jurys in Sweden,and what people seem to forget he raped a young boy! He was not just accused he was convicted for molesting a young child.. The murders he was not guilty of though..
Dr Grande, your storytelling is excellent and I really look forward to hearing you not diagnosing anyone every day! I also get a kick out of your plants. I've got a whole dramatic storyline going on with them moving all around.
Thank you Dr. Grande! Long time viewer, first time commenter. Just want to thank you for the consistently amazing content. It’s hard to find nowadays. Always look forward to your videos ✌🏼
just rewatching videos from my favorite TH-cam creator. THANK YOU for discussing repressed memories and how they are not reliable or even real. I did a paper on the topic of repressed memories in a psych class in my junior year in college and since then, I have had many debates with people who think that they have uncovered repressed memories. I also have far too many debates with people I meet who believe "lie detector tests" exist.
Being Norwegian, I remember seeing the Thomas Quick-case on the news as a child in relation to a kid that disappeared in Drammen. It was the first time i realized some people out there was evil and wanted to hurt others and i was terrified. Ironic that it turned out he never did any of it.
He is an interesting and a very sick) person and all that happened alone him. This is a very short time to dig in to Thomas Quick and the crames he confessed.
What a sad case. Thomas confessed to these murders because he was then treated as someone “special” in the mental health facility. How desperate he must have been for falsely confessing to murder to be a good thing to his way of thinking. I feel so bad for those families who thought that they had closure at last for their loved ones death only to have that closure ripped away. So very very sad.
On the other hand, if it helps; Thomas' admissions where so weak that they shouldnt have ever been believed as long as they where. Nobody really challenged them until he changed his own mind years later. He was heavily benzo'd up, however.
I didn't think it would be possible to make a good summary of this case in such a short video, but you nailed it. Very impressive. It's such a bonkers case that it should be more well known outside the swedish and norwegian borders.
It is sad, but the public - or within their professional circle - attention they get raises their STATUS as a result - gets their name into history books, into case studies, into media coverage, into a movie if one is made about the serial killer (hmmm, what actor will play me? Maybe I can play me!), etc. Sad though - for them to think like that!
I never heard of this person. But I always learn something new on this channel. Watching your channel Dr. Grande is always so enlightening. I enjoy it so much. As an added bonus your humor that you sneak in is fabulous. I'm so happy your channel was recommended to me. I'm so greatful for your content. ❤❤❤❤❤
Hey Dr! I was hoping you would clarify something you alluded to in this video. Do you view all or most repressed memories as ‘inaccurate’? I was a bit confused if you were referring to this case specifically, or if you had a broader sentiment regarding repressed memories and their validity in general? I appreciate your viewpoint on these issues and wanted to ask, in a larger sense, how much weight you put on these memories when they come up? Of course, I’m not assuming you are diagnosing any particular person and was only hoping to generate an interesting discussion here in the comment section! 😉 Edit: Oh boy, I just read some comments, and I totally understand if you don’t want to get involved in this quagmire! At any rate, I Highly enjoy your videos Dr. Grande. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication ❤️
Many books has been written about this interesting case. I've read The Stange Case of Thomas Quick by Dan Josefsson, which I really recommend. There is also a Swedish feature film called Quick from 2019 by the director Mikael Håfström.
I've been trying to remember this case and ask you about it. The book is very interesting it lays the blame on one of the hospitals doctor who was having therapy with another doctor who was tell her about the forgotten memorys and wanted to write a paper about it.
Funny how people do what works for them, then find out later it didn't work at all. Sad that so many are lonely in a world of 331 million! I'm very much appreciative of you and what you do Doctor Grande. Thank you for helping us! 💛🌵🌻
Dr. Grande, I really enjoy your posts. I appreciate your objective tone and dry humor. These videos are educational as well, particularly your break down of mental health issues in layman's term. This is very important for a stigmatized field. Could you please cover Christopher Duntsch, aka Dr Death, when you're ready?
Is Duntch the neurosurgeon who killed some patients and paralyzed others during surgery? I get these medical monsters confused, as they always label them all 'Dr. Death.'
How does Dr. Grande make such amazing videos every day!?!? One might say that if I had a nickel for every interesting video makes, I would have a sufficient quantity of nickels.
I agree with Dr. Grande that repressed memories are not an issue. As a long time meditator I have trained my mind not to think of the past or create mental scenes about an imagined future. It is extremely benefical to leave past memories unveiwed. There is no need to go to a therapist and rehash all that crapola. Everyone needs to practice inner body awareness to heal old emotion as it comes to the surface and learn calming technics so that highly charged emotion is not created, in ones present life situation. The key to feelings of peace and happyness is to heal repressed emotion, which allows an internal natural joy to arise from within. The issue is not memories but repression of the emotions associated with past life scenes. We all have alot of repressed emotions because when they were generated, we buried them. This is why it's best to feel your inner body so emotion can't be hidden within. Putting attention on your inner emotional body so one is always concious of any emotions being generated, or arising from already stored emotion. All emotions are actually subtle electromagnetic wavelengths that when observed by an inner feeling, are transmuted into feelings of joy. Transmutation is a tuning of unpleasent reactive emotion into feelings of joy and peace. When we place concious feeling in our bodies we align with the awareness field which is non-physical and in turn change the frequency of any emotion, that happens to arise from our shadow tanks or new emotion that is being created. 🙏🧘♂️🧘♀️🌌🌠♾
@@erikparent8176 And good morning to you. You know, I always love your comments like this one. Gives me something to think about, or makes me smile. 😉😘😗👍❤
Could you please cover the genocide in Rwanda? In one case a teacher & soccer coach killed children he had taught & coached. How do people justify such actions?
I'm thinking this was a combination of a few people building their careers on this case (encouraging people down the line not to question anything too much) and Thomas got the attention he was craving for. One of several legal scandals in Sweden and yes - it sure helped undermine ones faith in the system.
Who considers Thomas a victim? He gained notoriety and privileges from his lies. He started the ball rolling for a bunch of closeted and ambitious clinicians with those lies. He was prepared to enjoy those lies benefits for a number of years and his final admission of falsehood appears to have cost him nothing as far as punishment goes.
EDIT: I’m editing this because I want to clarify what I wrote. I believe people can have repressed memories. What I know now is nonsense is Recovered Memory Therapy. Many people were essentially “forced” to remember things that never happened. Remember the satanic panic of the 80s? I’m glad that the whole repressed memory nonsense was debunked and put to rest. So many lives were harmed by it. Years ago, I was working with a psychologist who had jumped on the repressed memory train. I felt like he really wanted me to “remember” being sexually abused at preschool age. In thinking about it between appointments, I got to thinking about the stories my parents told of me having to get my stomach pumped a few times because I got into stuff that was harmful. While I don’t have any memory of it, I would imagine, as a 2-3 year old, it would have been very traumatic to have my stomach pumped and could explain a choking sensation I would feel during my sessions with the Psychologist. So, I asked him if getting my stomach pumped would cause that feeling. All he said was “It could” then went back to trying to get me to remember being sexually abused. I was sexually abused when I was 10 and I definitely never forgot anything about what happened so if I had been abused at a younger age, I would probably have some memory of it. I have an excellent memory with I several memories from when I was 3 years old and even I’ve ir two from when I was 2.
@larry lawrence - I’m really talking about the therapist who basically forced people to have a “repressed experience”. But, I’ll say this - I had a lot of trauma in my childhood and once I reached about age four, I never forgot any of it.
This is a really interesting topic I started looking into a few years ago. Christine Blasey Ford was apparently involved in hypno therapy involving repressed memories (I'm politically independent for the record - not trying to make a statement. It's one possible explanation for those events). Also the Netflix show 'the keepers' about the murdered nun had repressed memories at the center of the series where an abused girl started remembering past situations - some of which were fairly stunning and difficult to comprehend as actual events. I know there was a well known case about a father who was (apparently falsely) accused by his daughter. There are people who go through hypnotherapy and 'remember' events that they couldn't possibly have known about first hand. It's definitely a controversial topic.
How do they know that after he was released, he wouldn't actually go out and start murdering people to get the REAL attention he wants? He has a violent past and is obviously mentally unstable. I hope they kept their eye on him.
There are Keystone cops in every country. A similar case is the one of Keith Jseperson (Happyface Killer) and Laverne Pavlinac in Portland, OR. Please do a video.
Thanks Dr. Grande for making a video about something that happened here in Sweden. You should also make a video about 8-year-old Gabriel Fernandez who was torture-murdered by his own mother and her boyfriend in 2013, or better yet a video about those who abused/murdered him. I couldn't possibly analyse them like you could, and I tried.
Dr. Grande, would you consider doing a review on the Hulu/FX Show "The Patient" with Steve Carrell? It brings up interesting points to consider. Most importantly, if a serial killer (or potential serial killer, or mass murderer, etc) would come to a therapist for help to stop their crimes or prevent them from giving in to the urge to kill, how would a therapist handle that? Many people see these awful stories in the news and we say to each other "There were so many red flags, if only something was done sooner" ... What is that "something?" The show is not over yet but maybe when it is it would be great if you could consider it as a potential topic. Thanks for your amazing work!
As a Swede I'm impressed by your knowledge in this case, but at the same time you fail to see some main points. 1. There was a crew of people around him - police, judges, lawyers, journalists - who made their careers on this case, and encouraged him to confess more and more murders! They didn't care that it was all a lie 2. Thomas Quick was a drug addict, and by confessing to new murders, he was regulary "rewarded" more drugs by the medicial staff that took care of him. So he keeped confessing to get his drugs.
He had also tried to rape and murder a student in Uppsala. People seem to forget that this is still a man guilty of a serious crime. It is not black or white.
Dr. Grande can you consider doing any TH-cam follow up content videos? I am curious as in this case if any cases where actually able to be solved? Unfortunately the time and resources that law enforcement and the mental health community spent on this individual may have taken opportunities to apprehend the perpetrator of these crimes. Thank you 🤔
This case has always befuddled me. Thanks for your analysis. Dr. Grande can you analyze the case of Heidi Broussard"s murder in Austin Tx. Thanks for your consideration.
Alibi means specifically that one is saying - or has evidence - that they were not at a place when an event occurred. So in a sense, yeah, if the cops ask me "Where were you june 3rd at 8pm" and I say I was at Denny's eating a Grand Slam, then it's an "alibi" even though I have zero interest in proving I wasn't complicit simply because I don't know that I need to or what for. But if the cops asking me where I was, and I say "Oh I was in the room with the victim" then that's not an alibi whether or not I care because the premise of an alibi is that I wasn't at the place where an event occurred.
Have you ever been fooled by a patient? Has anyone ever come in with the story that seems so real that you just believed it immediately or were you able to pick up on their BS? Or at least question it
What a crazy story! For the price of a roast beef sandwich the police had their own John Edward. I'm seeing a hammer...Anyone? Uh, um, I'm seeing a gun.. Um, the letter P is coming through..was it a pipe cleaner?
Oh, I asked about this one back then and somehow missed it when you actually did this! A late thanks anyway! There is a swedish documentary on this that goes into a truly weird side of this case - the leader of the mental health-fascility Margit Norell was big into pushing the belief in repressed memories, and some of the people involved in his treatment and the case were deeply influenced by her. One of the guys supposed to investigate and guarantee the neutrality of the treatment turned out to go to her to replace a mother-figure for him since she had talked him into believing he needed that in his life. There was so much insanity revealed that went on that I am sure it could fill a few books!
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This is one of the biggest scandals in modern Sweden. They wanted a Swedish serial killer so they came up with one, not only destroying Thomas’ life but also helping the real killers get away. Thank you for this video! 🇸🇪
- it is a fascinating story, not because of Quick - because he was an asshole, but because of all the authorities (Remember we are talking about a lot of people with authority, perhaps hundreds.) - from judges, lawyers, police investigators , psychiatry, witness experts to journalists and the Public Opinion who were convinced he was a genuine serial killer. We are talking about a mass groupe thinking (remember almost the entire population of Sweden 10 million, not to mention the neighboring countries) and the clearest example of how confirmation bias works. All of the authorities - wanted - him to be a serial killer, when anyone disagreed they were labeled stupid, ill informed or they just haven't read (the confirmation bias) the things the authorities had read.
The biggest crook is obviously psychiatry with all its woo woo, also supported by police investigators, "witness experts" and eventually by Judges.
A few brave souls like Hannes Råstam and Leif GW Persson said all along this is a case of a mythoman, a Pathological liar.
Now what is really needed is for someone to put subtitles on Hannes Råstam`s documentary "Thomas Quick".
The biggest problem however is that no one with authority - as far as i know - has ever been held accountable. One of them are still teaching his students Quick is a serial killer and everyone else is wrong.
As your neighbor to the west, we have also had several cases of wrongful convictions, nothing as big as Quick - yet - but we are still waiting for the outcome of a terrible case of child rape and killings (Baneheia drapene) - two small girls where raped and killed - where one accused person may have spend 21 years in prison for something he did not do. The mechanisms seems chillingly similar to that of the Quick case.
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Right or left - Do you have any further comments..sunshine..
Thomas probably never killed anyone, but he still molested a bunch of little boys, so he should still be locked up, in my opinion, as he ruined the life of the boys. Still agree with you on that it was awfull that the real killers got away though.
Do you ever sleep DR. Grande? You're a very hard working person. I really admire this about you. :)
He has videos telling us how his days are good video u should watch . He s definitely my favorite 🙂
It definitely helps to be financially motivated and I sincerely hope that the checks are in the category of incentives for sure by now that is one of the best side effects of all the time invested 👍 😀 enjoy every benefit good sir.
Side note, Dr Grande, thank you. You're what I binged to during some of my hardest times to educate myself about mental illness and get some understanding about what I was experiencing at the time. I am a fan for life.
@@T.d0T. I am a graduate student, obtaining my degree in clinical mental health, @ Oklahoma University in December. My professor's use Dr. Grande videos for instructive purposes.
Boy! Both healing and education (as well as remuneration!) This channel is the bomb!👩🎓👩🔬🤑
@@bthomson Agreed. Well seconded, I seconded this.
I remember when he was claiming that he had killed a Norwegian girl called Therese, who disappeared in 1988. She's never been found. He was found guilty of killing her, something that really upset Therese's mom, seeing as she never believed he had anything to do with her daughter's disappearance.
Knowing that child killers were ignored so this nutcase could get some attention, is the worst part... He outta be put down just for that.
Yes I was pretty sure it was the Therese case, at least I remembered that right. I watched this on the news back when it all happened as a kid.
@@tove236 So sorry.
@@caninecurry5823 He died many years ago. The murders he confessed to were cold cases, so the killers had basically gotten away with it already. He's the Scandinavian version of Ottis Tool and Henry Lee Lucas in the US: Having a ball and getting attention while they "confessed" to just about every unsolved murder of women in the country. The police ate it all up, even confessions to murders that they knew that the two could not possibly have committed. Lots of investigations of murder cases were halted because of people like Quick, Tool and Lucas and many others then, and police forces desperate to get closure on their cold cases - all over the world. All these cold cases have been reopened, and most of them are just as cold as they were before these confessions. It has happened since then too, albeit to a lesser extent, and it will happen again in the future. Repressed memory was a psychologist fad all over the world back then. I actually think it started in the US. Or at least it was enormously popular there. It's easy to pass judgment after the fact, because as we know: Hindsight is always 20/20.
@@Kari.F. he's not dead
Such a sad case for Thomas. You did a compelling and intelligent analysis here Doc. The system took advantage of him. Your channel is my favorite!
The system took advantage of him? Totally disagree! He got his own office and computer and restaurant meals and furlough days in leave while confessing to being a serial murderer! HE took advantage of the system! He made fools of everyone!
@@christinabernat6709 There are lunatics who will do anything in this world. So we ought to have a system that can withstand that. But somehow these clowns, in powerful positions, played along with this frivolous case. Makes me wonder who the real lunatics are that should be locked inside a psych ward.
The system took advantage of him, and he took advantage of the system. The police wanted to close cases, and he wanted attention. The real victims are the families of the dead or presumed so.
@@Flygsand Right. I get it.
@@Flygsand The real victims are people who got preyed upon because police didn't catch the real killers.
All of the red flags...guessing at weapons, no specific preferences, and the cherry on top: mental health professionals using the old "repressed memories" line.
This was a very interesting case, Dr Grande! One I've never heard of before now.
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Imagine the excitement of the policemen when they thought they could solve every single murder since the 60s right there 😂
Yes! I grew up thinking he was the number one Swedish serial killer. He was guilty of it all. Everybody knew about him. It was shocking when the truth came out. There's another somewhat similar case in Sweden where two boys were coached to "remember" killing a 4-year-old in their neighbourhood. They never really remembered but had to accept that they had suppressed it. They were completely innocent.
@@thatsalt1560 This is a very strange case. Since his many convictions were overturned, did the authorities ever find out who really murdered these people? So sad for the families, thinking their loved one's case was solved, only to find out they weren't.
@@thatsalt1560 I have an off topic question, with the lockdown I’ve been cooking a lot. I made Swedish cardamon buns, super tasty. Are cinnamon buns the same?
@@seferinorino6951 I am not the person you asked the question to but I am Swedish. Maybe I can help! The buns are exactly the same except you change the cinnamon to cardamon when ever you like. One or the other.
@@LDiamondz All the cases remain unsolved that Bergwall confessed to, as far as I know. As soon as he "woke up" from his benzodiazepine "haze" he realized that he'll be in jail for ever and began challenging the rulings and from there it took like 7 years until he war aquitted anyway.
It's powerful when you provide statements about competence, such as when you explained that allowing for other opinions helps prevent bias and is a sign of professionalism, rather than a weakness.
True. Isn't it strange how social media decides who's opinions are allowed a voice. One wonders why. Could it be they are afraid of opposing views.
Dr. Grande, I have spent time in therapy for PTSD and autism spectrum disorder. So I find your work fascinating!
This guy is good. He's a good example of careful, well-considered thought, his critical thinking skills are a good example for any viewer and especially for a society that is in desperate need of just such skills. Scott Baxter, M.D.
who are you talking about? grande or quick?
Thank you for going in to different cases around the world. Another one from Sweden is a case simply known as "the case Kevin" (fallet Kevin). It's where a 4 year old boy got killed in Arvika. Two brothers who were 5 and 7 at the time got accused of the murder from the police. But in later years video has shown how badly the investigation was in this case. It would be interesting to see your analysis of the investigation and how it can effect a person mentaly, when society thinks they have committed a murder.
Or the case of Christine Schürrer, the crazy German woman who out of jealousy bludgeoned two innocent toddlers to death with a hammer and nearly killed the mother (who would survive and would later be able to point her out as the murder). This heinous act, that was committed in Sweden, was perpertuated solely out of spite as Schürrer had previously been involved with the mother's boyfriend, who had later rejected her. Schürrer laughed during the police interrogations and made jokes completely inappropriate considering the gravity of the matter. (She was convicted despite the lack of physical evidence connecting her to the scene, thanks to an abundance of circumstantial evidence.) If you could provide an analysis of this case, of this chilling female psychopath and childkiller, Dr Grande, I would be forever grateful.
@@MissWhiskers agree. That case is horrible. It gave me nightmares at the time.
I'm always worried I might be framed for something I didn't do but here is the complete opposite! Thanks as always for the fascinating cases and breakdowns Dr. Grande!
Great video! This was a huge scandal here in Sweden. So many crazy things in this scandal, but the worst thing could be that those involved in getting Quick convicted (prosecutor, health care experts, a police officer), have kept on arguing that the conviction was correct. In Sweden the scandal is often described as the result of a combination of “group think” and pseudoscience.
It's rare that someone such as Thomas Quick, would want to be arrested as a serial killer. That was a dangerous game he played. Strange guy!
Another excellent video! Thanks, Dr. Grande!
Watch the movie Quick that came out in 2019 i believe it was..
I highly recomend it if you want to know how it went down with the whole confessions and the journalist who blew the story about it
@@ss-leifbarsark7767, thanks for this tip. I will look this video up.
He is just a very sick individual.
He also got medication prescribed. And promised more Benzo if he kept making confessions. The justice system was not interested in solving the murders. Just getting a conviction.
Not really. If you are going to be locked up for probably the rest of your life, you may as well go hard, be the biggest you can, be famous. People do lie, and he got great treatment, one thing led to another
The cops are just as nuts as he is.
Lol, you'll run right to 911 if shit hits the fan.
I think that's a fools assessment. They might be desperate to impress their higher-ups but to say they are as nuts as he was is just a bit stupid.
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You must be fun to be around.
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What a stupid rebuttal.
@@brucekiki6764 Yeah, I'm a handful. LOL.
Dr. Grande, you're putting out so much good content! Are you taking enough time for self care? I miss your funny bloopers and jokes ❤️
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds! Dr. Grande has a very large intelligence and therefore we can always expect something new and different!
Thomas: “ I may have stabbed/strangled/shot/ran over/poisoned that missing man or woman you have been looking for…
Cops: *Go on*
It DID sound almost exactly like that. Too bad they never believe innocent people when they say they didn't do it. These cops were duped by a nutjob.
I am currently in the middle of watching your upload from yesterday and I just a notification that you uploaded this. More to watch after I finished yesterday's video :-)
You're such prolific uploader - thanks for all your work in recording and editing these videos, Dr. Grande!
This entire video was just incredible, but the closing was absolutely brilliant!
As I've said before, your work ethic and the level of insightful and intelligent content you provide us with is incomparable, and incredibly appreciated! ♡♡
When and if you do take a very over due vacation, we'll all cheer for you!🍹🌞
Thank you for this video. It shows that Thomas Quick was mistreated in many ways by many "profesionals". As a swede that have heard a lot about him, it feels good to know that the truth was revealed at last.
Did they ever find out who really murdered all those people? So sad for the families, believing their loved one's murder was solved. The police did a terrible injustice to the victims.
@@LDiamondz No. In all but two cases that led to conviction, the statute of limitations has expired. Nowadays, there's no statute of limitations on murder in Sweden. This new law only applies to those two cases. So unfortunately, most of the families will never have that closure.
@@Flygsand Oh, how terrible that must be for the families, and the entire country, as well. They might have solved all the murders, had they not concentrated on this one man. Very sad. I'm glad there's no statute of limitations for murder, now. So, this doesn't happen again. Thanks for letting me know.
Oh my, you made my day Todd‼️
This should be sooo interesting to watch and hear your thoughts on.
Hugs from Sweden ❤️ 🇸🇪 ❤️ 🇸🇪❤️
Agree 🇳🇴 this case was all over the news, especially when he confessed to killing that Norwegian girl.
This was such a scandal. Imagine the families of the victims and then all the actual murderers who were never caught because Quick was assumed to have done it.
@@JS-uw1pr Nä, det är du inte! 🙂
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This was an interesting case. It's a bit disheartening to know that the criminal justice system/police can be as incompetent in other countries, as our own. The mental health professionals, in this case, were even worse. I'm glad you talked about that, as well. Bias is definitely not something a mental health professional should have. Thank you for another great video, Dr.Grande. Appreciate all the effort you put in for us.
Is that another new cactus on the floor? And the lamp is back, too. 🤗 Love what you've done to the place. Again! Keep up the great work, you're becoming a legend all over the world. You deserve it... ❤❤
This is the strangest case; thanks for covering it. I believe the clinical diagnosis for this man would be nutbag.
"The police consider confessions the best evidence" Yes, but not for finding the guilty. It's the best "evidence" to convince a jury to convict. That's part of the problem. Like Dr. Grande points out, multiple sources of evidence should be correlated to find the truth if one is seeking truth rather than just a conviction of a particular individual.
Spot on.
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Yes, perfectly stated.
Did you ever see the Frontline documentary The Confessions? Must-see.
We dont have jurys in Sweden,and what people seem to forget he raped a young boy! He was not just accused he was convicted for molesting a young child..
The murders he was not guilty of though..
Thank you for covering this /Swedish viewer.
I found it more engaging then a confession great job doctor
Dr Grande, your storytelling is excellent and I really look forward to hearing you not diagnosing anyone every day!
I also get a kick out of your plants.
I've got a whole dramatic storyline going on with them moving all around.
He's not telling stories, He's speculating, remember? :)
Once upon a time long, long ago in a forest of cacti...
@@bthomson ....and they all lived happily ever after. : )
Semi-famous in Norway. Suspected of one or two murders. Same story and result as you mentioned.
Try Sturé or even Sturë. We respect our E's :)
I love the ë especially! É should be wearing a beret.
Thank you Dr. Grande! Long time viewer, first time commenter. Just want to thank you for the consistently amazing content. It’s hard to find nowadays. Always look forward to your videos ✌🏼
To my recolection, he even "recaled" seeing his mother giving birth to a baby that both parents muerderd it in front of him.
just rewatching videos from my favorite TH-cam creator. THANK YOU for discussing repressed memories and how they are not reliable or even real. I did a paper on the topic of repressed memories in a psych class in my junior year in college and since then, I have had many debates with people who think that they have uncovered repressed memories. I also have far too many debates with people I meet who believe "lie detector tests" exist.
Yes!!! Been asking for this one for a while, thanks for looking into it. :-)
False confessions are remarkably common, and this fact is highly counterintuitive. This is one of the first things criminal lawyers learn.
Thank you for covering a case from my country Sweden! 💝
Great insightful analysis of this case. 👍👍👍👍👍
Being Norwegian, I remember seeing the Thomas Quick-case on the news as a child in relation to a kid that disappeared in Drammen. It was the first time i realized some people out there was evil and wanted to hurt others and i was terrified. Ironic that it turned out he never did any of it.
This sounds as if it should be very interesting.
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@@blueeyes6852 fine.
He is an interesting and a very sick) person and all that happened alone him. This is a very short time to dig in to Thomas Quick and the crames he confessed.
The lamp is back! Whew...carry on
Really good to see this channel diving back more deeply into mental health
This could be filed under "What happens when absolutely everybody screws up" except that Quick literally couldn't screw up his confession enough.
What a sad case. Thomas confessed to these murders because he was then treated as someone “special” in the mental health facility. How desperate he must have been for falsely confessing to murder to be a good thing to his way of thinking. I feel so bad for those families who thought that they had closure at last for their loved ones death only to have that closure ripped away. So very very sad.
On the other hand, if it helps; Thomas' admissions where so weak that they shouldnt have ever been believed as long as they where. Nobody really challenged them until he changed his own mind years later. He was heavily benzo'd up, however.
Please do the kevin Brothers bit on your podd and wilma andersson
Yes this was an engaging conversation!!!
Hope you had a great weekend Dr Grande!!!
This was easily one of the most funniest of all Dr Grandes analysis's
I would like it explained why there is "no such thing as repressed memories". What's the reasoning behind that statement?
Yeah same here.
Dr Grande made a video about it in 2018 already.
I didn't think it would be possible to make a good summary of this case in such a short video, but you nailed it. Very impressive. It's such a bonkers case that it should be more well known outside the swedish and norwegian borders.
Why would anyone *want* to to treat a serial killer? The clinicians sound bizarre. "I'm lucky to have a serial killer as a patient." What the heck?
It is sad, but the public - or within their professional circle - attention they get raises their STATUS as a result - gets their name into history books, into case studies, into media coverage, into a movie if one is made about the serial killer (hmmm, what actor will play me? Maybe I can play me!), etc. Sad though - for them to think like that!
I never heard of this person. But I always learn something new on this channel. Watching your channel Dr. Grande is always so enlightening. I enjoy it so much. As an added bonus your humor that you sneak in is fabulous. I'm so happy your channel was recommended to me. I'm so greatful for your content. ❤❤❤❤❤
Hey Dr! I was hoping you would clarify something you alluded to in this video. Do you view all or most repressed memories as ‘inaccurate’? I was a bit confused if you were referring to this case specifically, or if you had a broader sentiment regarding repressed memories and their validity in general? I appreciate your viewpoint on these issues and wanted to ask, in a larger sense, how much weight you put on these memories when they come up? Of course, I’m not assuming you are diagnosing any particular person and was only hoping to generate an interesting discussion here in the comment section! 😉
Edit: Oh boy, I just read some comments, and I totally understand if you don’t want to get involved in this quagmire! At any rate, I Highly enjoy your videos Dr. Grande. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication ❤️
You didn't pull any punches on this video, Dr. Grande. Respect.
Right before you said attention, I had the same thought. Sad & amazing what sick people will do & the counselors were just as bad. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟
Many books has been written about this interesting case. I've read The Stange Case of Thomas Quick by Dan Josefsson, which I really recommend. There is also a Swedish feature film called Quick from 2019 by the director Mikael Håfström.
I've been trying to remember this case and ask you about it. The book is very interesting it lays the blame on one of the hospitals doctor who was having therapy with another doctor who was tell her about the forgotten memorys and wanted to write a paper about it.
Funny how people do what works for them, then find out later it didn't work at all.
Sad that so many are lonely in a world of 331 million!
I'm very much appreciative of you and what you do Doctor Grande. Thank you for helping us!
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My so much needed dose of Dr. Grande’s wisdom. BTW, there’s a Swedish movie about Quick, highly recommend it.
Dr. Grande, I really enjoy your posts. I appreciate your objective tone and dry humor. These videos are educational as well, particularly your break down of mental health issues in layman's term. This is very important for a stigmatized field. Could you please cover Christopher Duntsch, aka Dr Death, when you're ready?
Is Duntch the neurosurgeon who killed some patients and paralyzed others during surgery? I get these medical monsters confused, as they always label them all 'Dr. Death.'
How does Dr. Grande make such amazing videos every day!?!? One might say that if I had a nickel for every interesting video makes, I would have a sufficient quantity of nickels.
We can speculate how in the comment section :D
He is part of the Grande, Please colab With Ariana next.
It’s pretty incredible. In addition to it, he also posts videos quite frequently on his Patreon and also on the Podcast.
That's a cool way to make money, Dylan. 🙂
I'm pretty sure he records several videos at a time and them posts one a day
Dr. Grande, thank you for your expertise. Enjoy your videos and your professional insights. Keep up the great work.
finally! I have been waiting for this one, thanx 4 doing this mr Toddman 😁
I found this analysis as engaging as a confession.
I agree with Dr. Grande that repressed memories are not an issue.
As a long time meditator I have trained my mind not to think of the past or create mental scenes about an imagined future.
It is extremely benefical to leave past memories unveiwed.
There is no need to go to a therapist and rehash all that crapola.
Everyone needs to practice inner body awareness to heal old emotion as it comes to the surface and learn calming technics so that highly charged emotion is not created, in ones present life situation.
The key to feelings of peace and happyness is to heal repressed emotion, which allows an internal natural joy to arise from within.
The issue is not memories but repression of the emotions associated with past life scenes.
We all have alot of repressed emotions because when they were generated, we buried them.
This is why it's best to feel your inner body so emotion can't be hidden within.
Putting attention on your inner emotional body so one is always concious of any emotions being generated, or arising from already stored emotion.
All emotions are actually subtle electromagnetic wavelengths that when observed by an inner feeling, are transmuted into feelings of joy.
Transmutation is a tuning of unpleasent reactive emotion into feelings of joy and peace.
When we place concious feeling in our bodies we align with the awareness field which is non-physical and in turn change the frequency of any emotion, that happens to arise from our shadow tanks or new emotion that is being created.
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Another uplifting comment. I enjoyed this one very much. 😘
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Goodmorning! 🌄
Thanks for the nice comment. 😘😉😊
@@erikparent8176 And good morning to you.
You know, I always love your comments like this one. Gives me something to think about, or makes me smile. 😉😘😗👍❤
Could you please cover the genocide in Rwanda? In one case a teacher & soccer coach killed children he had taught & coached. How do people justify such actions?
Oh, that is grizzly. I wish he would cover this.
Great video doc. Would like to see one on Markieth Llloyd
Would you ever consider doing a video on Todd Kendhammer? I’d love to hear your analysis of the case.
(Great video, as always)
The desire for excitement and to seem interesting seems to fuel a lot of criminals
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I'm thinking this was a combination of a few people building their careers on this case (encouraging people down the line not to question anything too much) and Thomas got the attention he was craving for. One of several legal scandals in Sweden and yes - it sure helped undermine ones faith in the system.
Dr. Grande: would you please take a look at the Garrett Phillips case?
Much needed "session", with the therapist today.
Who considers Thomas a victim? He gained notoriety and privileges from his lies. He started the ball rolling for a bunch of closeted and ambitious clinicians with those lies. He was prepared to enjoy those lies benefits for a number of years and his final admission of falsehood appears to have cost him nothing as far as punishment goes.
Thank you from Sweden! ❤ I have been interested in this case for a very long time! Such a tragedy!
I can't believe how many times I broke out into laughter over the sheer absurdity of this!
Well said! Same!
Incredibly engaging analysis Dr Grande!😉I just love your sense of humor doc!💖💖
You've been so early this week, I was beginning to worry. Thanks for the upload and you are always engaging Dr. Grande.
I am now speculating about death by pipe cleaner... You're hilarious doc.
Unusually delayed gratification on the "likes" today Dr. Was that an experiment? Lol
Amazing Video Dr. as Always!! Thank You Sooo Much!! Have a Lovely Evening!!!
I've heard this story before. You will give a great analysis, Dr. Grande.
EDIT: I’m editing this because I want to clarify what I wrote. I believe people can have repressed memories. What I know now is nonsense is Recovered Memory Therapy. Many people were essentially “forced” to remember things that never happened. Remember the satanic panic of the 80s?
I’m glad that the whole repressed memory nonsense was debunked and put to rest. So many lives were harmed by it.
Years ago, I was working with a psychologist who had jumped on the repressed memory train. I felt like he really wanted me to “remember” being sexually abused at preschool age. In thinking about it between appointments, I got to thinking about the stories my parents told of me having to get my stomach pumped a few times because I got into stuff that was harmful. While I don’t have any memory of it, I would imagine, as a 2-3 year old, it would have been very traumatic to have my stomach pumped and could explain a choking sensation I would feel during my sessions with the Psychologist. So, I asked him if getting my stomach pumped would cause that feeling. All he said was “It could” then went back to trying to get me to remember being sexually abused. I was sexually abused when I was 10 and I definitely never forgot anything about what happened so if I had been abused at a younger age, I would probably have some memory of it. I have an excellent memory with I several memories from when I was 3 years old and even I’ve ir two from when I was 2.
That’s insane. I’m sorry you went through that.
@larry lawrence - I’m really talking about the therapist who basically forced people to have a “repressed experience”. But, I’ll say this - I had a lot of trauma in my childhood and once I reached about age four, I never forgot any of it.
This is a really interesting topic I started looking into a few years ago. Christine Blasey Ford was apparently involved in hypno therapy involving repressed memories (I'm politically independent for the record - not trying to make a statement. It's one possible explanation for those events). Also the Netflix show 'the keepers' about the murdered nun had repressed memories at the center of the series where an abused girl started remembering past situations - some of which were fairly stunning and difficult to comprehend as actual events.
I know there was a well known case about a father who was (apparently falsely) accused by his daughter. There are people who go through hypnotherapy and 'remember' events that they couldn't possibly have known about first hand.
It's definitely a controversial topic.
Hello Dr. Grande💖 I hope you're having a great weekend! Thanks for the new video.
In some ways this is the most important case you’ve reviewed
How do they know that after he was released, he wouldn't actually go out and start murdering people to get the REAL attention he wants? He has a violent past and is obviously mentally unstable. I hope they kept their eye on him.
Yeah, and then they wouldn't believe him if he confessed! It seems cops are incompetent all over the world!
There are Keystone cops in every country. A similar case is the one of Keith Jseperson (Happyface Killer) and Laverne Pavlinac in Portland, OR. Please do a video.
Your awesome Dr.Grande .Thank u for your dual diligence!💋
Thanks Dr. Grande for making a video about something that happened here in Sweden. You should also make a video about 8-year-old Gabriel Fernandez who was torture-murdered by his own mother and her boyfriend in 2013, or better yet a video about those who abused/murdered him. I couldn't possibly analyse them like you could, and I tried.
Thanks, Doc.
Thanks for the video Dr. Grande
That was very interesting, I've never heard of a case like this before.
Well, now I’m going to be on the lookout for ‘murder by pipe cleaner’ thanks Dr. G! 🤣
Dr. Grande, would you consider doing a review on the Hulu/FX Show "The Patient" with Steve Carrell?
It brings up interesting points to consider. Most importantly, if a serial killer (or potential serial killer, or mass murderer, etc) would come to a therapist for help to stop their crimes or prevent them from giving in to the urge to kill, how would a therapist handle that? Many people see these awful stories in the news and we say to each other "There were so many red flags, if only something was done sooner" ... What is that "something?"
The show is not over yet but maybe when it is it would be great if you could consider it as a potential topic. Thanks for your amazing work!
He had very strange way to get pleasure by faking it all. Thank you so much Dr.Todd Grande 🫀🤍
The end of this video is just perfection 😂😂😂
As a Swede I'm impressed by your knowledge in this case, but at the same time you fail to see some main points. 1. There was a crew of people around him - police, judges, lawyers, journalists - who made their careers on this case, and encouraged him to confess more and more murders! They didn't care that it was all a lie 2. Thomas Quick was a drug addict, and by confessing to new murders, he was regulary "rewarded" more drugs by the medicial staff that took care of him. So he keeped confessing to get his drugs.
He had also tried to rape and murder a student in Uppsala. People seem to forget that this is still a man guilty of a serious crime. It is not black or white.
Has Dr. Grande done a video on Cannabilistic killers?
Convicting the wrong person creates two injustices.
Dr. Grande can you consider doing any TH-cam follow up content videos? I am curious as in this case if any cases where actually able to be solved? Unfortunately the time and resources that law enforcement and the mental health community spent on this individual may have taken opportunities to apprehend the perpetrator of these crimes. Thank you 🤔
This case has always befuddled me. Thanks for your analysis. Dr. Grande can you analyze the case of Heidi Broussard"s murder in Austin Tx. Thanks for your consideration.
Is it still considered an alibi when the person has zero interest in using it to prove they weren't complicit?
Alibi means specifically that one is saying - or has evidence - that they were not at a place when an event occurred. So in a sense, yeah, if the cops ask me "Where were you june 3rd at 8pm" and I say I was at Denny's eating a Grand Slam, then it's an "alibi" even though I have zero interest in proving I wasn't complicit simply because I don't know that I need to or what for.
But if the cops asking me where I was, and I say "Oh I was in the room with the victim" then that's not an alibi whether or not I care because the premise of an alibi is that I wasn't at the place where an event occurred.
PZ- good question!
Dear Dr Grande, are you considering doing a video on Rachel Dolezal case ? It could be most interesting. Many thanks.
I think he did that one a long time ago.
@@LDiamondz couldn't find it. Do you have the link to that video ?
@@flotreize3447 I looked and couldn't find it, either. It might have been on his Patreon.
Have you ever been fooled by a patient? Has anyone ever come in with the story that seems so real that you just believed it immediately or were you able to pick up on their BS? Or at least question it
He's fooled by a lot of the rona propaganda so it's likely he'd trust people with credentials even if the evidence isn't legit.
What a crazy story! For the price of a roast beef sandwich the police had their own John Edward. I'm seeing a hammer...Anyone? Uh, um, I'm seeing a gun.. Um, the letter P is coming through..was it a pipe cleaner?
Aren't fake serial killers the worst? Just the worst! except for the real serial killers, of course.
Oh, I asked about this one back then and somehow missed it when you actually did this! A late thanks anyway! There is a swedish documentary on this that goes into a truly weird side of this case - the leader of the mental health-fascility Margit Norell was big into pushing the belief in repressed memories, and some of the people involved in his treatment and the case were deeply influenced by her. One of the guys supposed to investigate and guarantee the neutrality of the treatment turned out to go to her to replace a mother-figure for him since she had talked him into believing he needed that in his life. There was so much insanity revealed that went on that I am sure it could fill a few books!