Thanks so much!! I told my students today I did a new video on bussing, and they just thought ‘bussing’ was funny (because of the slang implication) I told them my video was bussing literally and figuratively….
This is the one I've been waiting for George, very comprehensive and so cool. You dial in the mix great! got my Auto load set up and ready to work , All the power to you George.
Hey George, loving the videos. I'm learning so much! I do have a question though. I'm using EZ Drummer 3 for my drums, and I'm not sure how to set them up in the autoload. I want to separate the different parts of the kit onto separate tracks and or buses for mixing, but I can't seem to get it to work. I've followed some videos I found on sending the parts to different outs in the EZD3 mixer, but they are still all coming through one track. Would EZD3 need to be one of the multi instruments that we set up in the autoload? Hopefully it's just something simple that I've missed. Any suggestions?
I don't personally have EZ Drummer but I did download the free trial to answer your question. So here it goes: You don't need a multi-timbral instrument UNLESS you for some reason want to play the individual drums on separate midi channels, but I can't see why you'd want to do that. SO: (1) Pull up an instance of EZ drummer and make sure you choose the Multi-Output 16x Stereo option (not the stereo option) (2) on that instrument track, right above the 'M' & 'S" (mute and solo) you'll see -+ button (3) click the + button for as many outputs you want (4) In the Mixer of EZ drummer, chose the outputs you want the individual drums to be routed to (5) When you play them, you'll now see they will go where you want them to go based upon the Mixer assignments in EZ Drummer's Mixer window (6) Those additional tracks you created using the - + button can be routed to separate busses. That should do it! Let me know if that works! It did for me.
@@GGabrielMusic Thank you so much for the effort you've put into answering my question. I didn't expect you to go that far. Much appreciated! It has seemed to work, but the extra tracks that were created are Aux tracks, is that correct? The + button I used to create them was in the Logic mixer, not the environment? If so, how does that fit in with your TABS mixing workflow in as far as sending them to a drum verb in the auxillarys if they are already an aux?
Yes - The extra tracks are Aux tracks and the reason why is: that Aux tracks have an assignable input and output where busses are basically audio pathways (this is why you have to use a bus to send effects to aux's). Busses don't have assignable inputs as they are just raw audio pathways, at the end of the bus pathway is an assignable output (as they need to end up somewhere). Correct, the + sign is in the Logic mixer but it DOES create those Aux's in the Environment as well. These are pre-routed in Logic when you use a multi-output instrument - that is the only way they work. You can still use the send on the multi-output auxiliary to the FX auxiliary as the FX aux's are outputted to the FX return bus - then routed to the stereo out. Your multi-output auxiliaries should be outputted to your drum bus. You can effect each of the multi-output auxiliaries whichever way you'd like (using compression and EQ as audio FX on the auxiliary AND sending them to your effects auxiliaries for reverb and delay) - then the routed audio effected drums would be collected on the drum bus where you can apply additional compression and EQ to glue together the entire drum kit and fine tune the EQ, while the drums you sent to the FX busses will return the 100% wet signal from the effects to the effects return bus. The biggest downside to all of this, is using multi-outputs creates extra auxiliaries and those auxiliaries clutter up the nicely designed Aux/Out/Master Out mixer window and force you to scroll to get to the Stereo Out in which there are only 2 solutions; (1) In the Key Commands, there is a key command to Hide Aux Channel Strips, so you could create a key command that hides ALL of the Aux's when you just want to see the Stereo Out for mastering OR (2) (This is what I do if I want to single out individual drums for effecting and/or audio fx) Play the drums as you see fit. Then duplicate the drum track (Command-D) and then move the midi of each drum you want to effect to only have the midi of that instrument on that track (so kick midi on the first track, snare midi on the next track, so on and so forth). Then add audio FX and sends to the FX bus on THOSE individual midi tracks (while still outputting those tracks to the drum bus). This achieves the same thing as a multi-outputted instrument without all the extra auxiliaries. Unfortunately, there is no way to hide individual aux's. Hope this all makes sense and it is helpful. Thanks for reaching out - let me know which way you go on this. Cheers!!
There are several differences between what I am presenting as bussing and track summing stacks. (1)Summing activates all the tracks in the stack - some of which may have different mappings, which will force you to open that stack to perform on the individual tracks thus slowing down the writing process (2) track sums are AUX’s not busses - therefore they show up with the AUXs not with the busses (3) if you predetermine your busses in an autoload (like the session in the video, you can separate them out from your auxs (which should be reserved for FX) (4) It mimics a studio mixing environment (when using the Autoload format) - what this video aimed to show was how to collect like-kind instruments and add compression/eq to gel the like-kind instruments together and then have them output to the stereo out - this was not necessarily how you want to put your busses together, it’s how bussing and effecting like-kind instruments together improves the clarity of your mix. Hope this all makes sense. Thanks for your comment!!
Great question Dave. I was wondering the same myself. So @@GGabrielMusic , a lot of other You Tubers seem to bang on about how good track stacks are for organising and workflow, but I take it from your reply that you don't use then at all as your setup is mimicing a physical recording studio workflow as much as you can in a DAW?
@@moniquekenny6578 Correct - I barely use them at all - the only exception is when I am scoring a film and have 150 tracks and want to gain some space back. I want my mixer to be like a mixing board (analog mixing board) so I see the same thing every time I mix. I find it faster to mot use track stacks as I like to see everything and be able to have an overview of what is going on with everything. For that matter, I barely use Hide tracks too - the only time I hide tracks is when I have a vocal session and there are alternate takes I want to keep around just in case.
So tell me a bit more - Remixes / mashups of other peoples music? Your music? Is this for video, or audio, live entertainment? Personal or business? I have a lot of mixing / remixing tips and tricks, but it would be helpful to know what the bottom line would be in your outputs and their purposes. Hit me back!
I learned alot about bussing n mixing just from this video 🙏 so much free game apprecite you 💯💯
So happy to help!! Mix on!!
Great walkthrough, very helpful, thanks.
My pleasure - glad it was helpful! Lots more to come!
Well done...very thorough.
Thanks Peter!!
This is 100% true. Busses are the best way. If you’re trying to learn to mix, please take that advice.
YES! Thanks for weighing in!
Great channel George, will share with my students.
Thanks so much!! I told my students today I did a new video on bussing, and they just thought ‘bussing’ was funny (because of the slang implication) I told them my video was bussing literally and figuratively….
HA! yeah man. They would probably raise eyebrows at "Bias" like when we used to calibrate the 2" 24 tracks..@@GGabrielMusic
That’s hilarious!
This is the one I've been waiting for George, very comprehensive and so cool. You dial in the mix great! got my Auto load set up and ready to work , All the power to you George.
So happy this is helpful!! Much more to come!
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Thanks!
Hey George, loving the videos. I'm learning so much! I do have a question though. I'm using EZ Drummer 3 for my drums, and I'm not sure how to set them up in the autoload. I want to separate the different parts of the kit onto separate tracks and or buses for mixing, but I can't seem to get it to work. I've followed some videos I found on sending the parts to different outs in the EZD3 mixer, but they are still all coming through one track. Would EZD3 need to be one of the multi instruments that we set up in the autoload? Hopefully it's just something simple that I've missed. Any suggestions?
I don't personally have EZ Drummer but I did download the free trial to answer your question. So here it goes: You don't need a multi-timbral instrument UNLESS you for some reason want to play the individual drums on separate midi channels, but I can't see why you'd want to do that. SO: (1) Pull up an instance of EZ drummer and make sure you choose the Multi-Output 16x Stereo option (not the stereo option) (2) on that instrument track, right above the 'M' & 'S" (mute and solo) you'll see -+ button (3) click the + button for as many outputs you want (4) In the Mixer of EZ drummer, chose the outputs you want the individual drums to be routed to (5) When you play them, you'll now see they will go where you want them to go based upon the Mixer assignments in EZ Drummer's Mixer window (6) Those additional tracks you created using the - + button can be routed to separate busses.
That should do it! Let me know if that works! It did for me.
@@GGabrielMusic Thank you so much for the effort you've put into answering my question. I didn't expect you to go that far. Much appreciated!
It has seemed to work, but the extra tracks that were created are Aux tracks, is that correct? The + button I used to create them was in the Logic mixer, not the environment? If so, how does that fit in with your TABS mixing workflow in as far as sending them to a drum verb in the auxillarys if they are already an aux?
Yes - The extra tracks are Aux tracks and the reason why is: that Aux tracks have an assignable input and output where busses are basically audio pathways (this is why you have to use a bus to send effects to aux's). Busses don't have assignable inputs as they are just raw audio pathways, at the end of the bus pathway is an assignable output (as they need to end up somewhere).
Correct, the + sign is in the Logic mixer but it DOES create those Aux's in the Environment as well. These are pre-routed in Logic when you use a multi-output instrument - that is the only way they work.
You can still use the send on the multi-output auxiliary to the FX auxiliary as the FX aux's are outputted to the FX return bus - then routed to the stereo out. Your multi-output auxiliaries should be outputted to your drum bus. You can effect each of the multi-output auxiliaries whichever way you'd like (using compression and EQ as audio FX on the auxiliary AND sending them to your effects auxiliaries for reverb and delay) - then the routed audio effected drums would be collected on the drum bus where you can apply additional compression and EQ to glue together the entire drum kit and fine tune the EQ, while the drums you sent to the FX busses will return the 100% wet signal from the effects to the effects return bus.
The biggest downside to all of this, is using multi-outputs creates extra auxiliaries and those auxiliaries clutter up the nicely designed Aux/Out/Master Out mixer window and force you to scroll to get to the Stereo Out in which there are only 2 solutions;
(1) In the Key Commands, there is a key command to Hide Aux Channel Strips, so you could create a key command that hides ALL of the Aux's when you just want to see the Stereo Out for mastering
OR
(2) (This is what I do if I want to single out individual drums for effecting and/or audio fx) Play the drums as you see fit. Then duplicate the drum track (Command-D) and then move the midi of each drum you want to effect to only have the midi of that instrument on that track (so kick midi on the first track, snare midi on the next track, so on and so forth). Then add audio FX and sends to the FX bus on THOSE individual midi tracks (while still outputting those tracks to the drum bus). This achieves the same thing as a multi-outputted instrument without all the extra auxiliaries. Unfortunately, there is no way to hide individual aux's.
Hope this all makes sense and it is helpful.
Thanks for reaching out - let me know which way you go on this.
Cheers!!
What is the difference between Bussing that and the summing track stacks in Logic Pro. Don't they accomplish the same thing?
There are several differences between what I am presenting as bussing and track summing stacks. (1)Summing activates all the tracks in the stack - some of which may have different mappings, which will force you to open that stack to perform on the individual tracks thus slowing down the writing process (2) track sums are AUX’s not busses - therefore they show up with the AUXs not with the busses (3) if you predetermine your busses in an autoload (like the session in the video, you can separate them out from your auxs (which should be reserved for FX) (4) It mimics a studio mixing environment (when using the Autoload format) - what this video aimed to show was how to collect like-kind instruments and add compression/eq to gel the like-kind instruments together and then have them output to the stereo out - this was not necessarily how you want to put your busses together, it’s how bussing and effecting like-kind instruments together improves the clarity of your mix. Hope this all makes sense. Thanks for your comment!!
Great question Dave. I was wondering the same myself. So @@GGabrielMusic , a lot of other You Tubers seem to bang on about how good track stacks are for organising and workflow, but I take it from your reply that you don't use then at all as your setup is mimicing a physical recording studio workflow as much as you can in a DAW?
@@moniquekenny6578 Correct - I barely use them at all - the only exception is when I am scoring a film and have 150 tracks and want to gain some space back. I want my mixer to be like a mixing board (analog mixing board) so I see the same thing every time I mix. I find it faster to mot use track stacks as I like to see everything and be able to have an overview of what is going on with everything. For that matter, I barely use Hide tracks too - the only time I hide tracks is when I have a vocal session and there are alternate takes I want to keep around just in case.
Any mashup or remix cover tips G?
I ask because I’m trying to design remixes in my free time for when I need to download music for my flights
So tell me a bit more - Remixes / mashups of other peoples music? Your music? Is this for video, or audio, live entertainment? Personal or business? I have a lot of mixing / remixing tips and tricks, but it would be helpful to know what the bottom line would be in your outputs and their purposes. Hit me back!
G, it's more for amping myself up every morning.
I have a car, I don’t need busing
Ha!
@@GGabrielMusic Seriously, it’s great info. I can use the help :)